heroic rd
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
tight basin
if i get epic rd before eury (big if) i'm gonna manip for heroic
plain river
Just get the boons
tight basin
since i'm doing unmodded runs idrc if they're legal or not
because they'll never be submitted
jovial perch
Should I get curse of agony or blade dash
I just started the run and I’m using fists
wary adder
you could go for a merciful end build with curse of agony
jovial perch
What’s that?
wary adder
What’s that?
a duo boon between ares and athena
jovial perch
Sounds good
wary adder
basically you get doom-> get athena special -> get merciful end -> get divine dash to activate merciful end
jovial perch
Oh alright
wary adder
impending doom is a very good secondary boon to pick up aswell
jovial perch
I just gotta save my special for Athena then
Ill put on her keepsake for better chance
wary adder
yeah put her keepsake on in asphodel
try to keep your dash free aswell
do you know how merciful end works?
wary adder
how far into the game are you by the way
jovial perch
I’ve gotten to hades twice
wary adder
hm
yeah im guessing you dont have all the mirror unlocked so your chances of getting a merciful end build up and running are pretty slim
jovial perch
I think I’m one more mirror upgrade from getting them all
wary adder
zeus attack on fists is probably better at your stage
jovial perch
I mean worse case I don’t get it
And I’ll have to replace fists
I mean the attack not fist
vagrant crane
idk ME is kinda too complicated for newer players i'd just stick to zap fists, blade dash is fine on melee weps
wary adder
zap fists go nuts
jovial perch
Ngl i usually run zap fists and Artemis dash strike
I love pummeling then dash striking
vagrant crane
hunter dash isnt too good on fists because it's an extra like
uh
17 damage
which is not a lot
jovial perch
Then what should I run with it?
vagrant crane
well
melee like ddash
tdash weird but ok
uh
idk thunder dash fine
passion dash too
most dashes other than hunter dash generally fine
jovial perch
What about blade rift?
vagrant crane
yeah that's fine on melee weapons
jovial perch
Nice
vagrant crane
because since you're close to your enemies it'll be hitting them more than other wepaons
not my first pick or anything but if you get forced into ares it's fine
jovial perch
What would be your first pick
vagrant crane
i'd probably do like passion dash or thunder dash
if i'm doing zap fists thunder dash is nice
because you get the supporting boons for it
jovial perch
passion is Aphrodite right?
vagrant crane
yeah
it's like tidal dash but with less damage but it doesn't knock enemies away
so it might be better for fists
tidal dash is also great because it does huge damage
but knocking enemies away isn't too nice
still very good though
jovial perch
I’m slowly starting to learn what goes good with what
plain river
Thh
P simple
Depends on what you are using, but basically
Hit fast for low damage: use flat damage (zeus, dio, ares)
Hit slow for big damage:
Use +% (the other 5, but particularly aphrodite for biggest +%)
Then the dash should compliment the rest
Like tdash gives a ton of aoe and damage, ddash is defensively good, other dashes exist but would mostly be taken to open duos
plain river
True
Hunter dash good on the chunkier dash strike weapons
Like bow and double edge sword or serrated point spear
last dirge
Yeah it's generally a little more advanced but dash strike builds are very good.
You can also get a ton of dash strike dmg from Chaos
Stacking it all with a hammer like Double Edge or Serrated Point results in a tricky but very strong build.
Tricky with auto aim on controller at least, and more Nemesis
On bow it's just the best dash imo, with tdash or ddash as a 2nd
Bow dash strikes are extremely good. They slightly decrease your attack base dmg but give you an initial charge on your attack.
That's really the key to learning bow. Dont ever shoot from a standing position.
Dash away for distance and try to line up a shot that will hit a bunch of enemies
I'd like to see a survey on bow based on kbm and controller
I think it's easier to get into on controller because aim is position based.
I guess it always is but you can pretty easily just get bow to lock onto a crowd after a dash if you practice.
vagrant crane
On bow it's just the best dash imo, with tdash or ddash as a 2nd
tdash is better on chiron and zagbow, also hera for not speedruns but it doesn’t take for speedruns i believe, and then yeah hunters for rama
last dirge
Fair. Tdash is just broken though.
And anything that doesnt get ruined by the knockback works with it
Tdash is better than Rama's unique hammer lmao
And it isnt Rama's best dash
It knocks back enemies before you attack not after
So you can have some room to charge
fleet glacier
hunters dash or divine dash on Hestia?
valid dagger
hunters dash or divine dash on Hestia?
Hunter is better for damage and Divine is better for safety. It's just up to how good you are
warm snow
Fair. Tdash is just broken though.
that and Poseidon tier 2s 😩
thorny minnow
Thanks! I just picked Zeus and it seems interesting
warm snow
zeus is great as well
thorny minnow
Chaos requires bull rushes and it's kind of a bother to me
warm snow
-just with a completely different playstyle
thorny minnow
yep
warm snow
chaos is quite bad btw
proper furnace
Chaos is aspectless
hearty flare
what would a nasty spear build look like? i never could quite get into into it, currently its byfar my least favourite weapon
warm snow
probable splitting bolt
vagrant crane
what would a nasty spear build look like? i never could quite get into into it, ...
achilles
deadly strike tidal dash hunting blades
hearty flare
is guan yu worth it? like, it takes away so much health even if you spend a bunch of blood to upgrade it. and the upgrades dont even give dps, like with maybe beowulf or something
proven osprey
Yes
hearty flare
based on guan yus drawbacks, my assumption is that it must do massive damage?
proven osprey
The upgrade is bad game design I agree
vagrant crane
is guan yu worth it? like, it takes away so much health even if you spend a bunc...
it is good
vagrant crane
based on guan yus drawbacks, my assumption is that it must do massive damage?
the drawback is minor
it does decent damage
proven osprey
But the aspect is a lot of fun to me. It's a powerful Merciful End vessel. In high heat, you'll fish for charged skewer and a good special (arty/aphro/Poseidon but any %) works
hearty flare
well, cutting your health in half seems brutal
vagrant crane
well, cutting your health in half seems brutal
it's fine
plain river
based on guan yus drawbacks, my assumption is that it must do massive damage?
Guan-yu special is cracked
Brilliant aoe
good damage
proven osprey
Kinda is, forces you to play well. Very good for general knowledge. It's a non factor at low heat tho
hearty flare
But the aspect is a lot of fun to me. It's a powerful Merciful End vessel. In hi...
i was just thingking about this: which % dmg booster is best? aphro gives the most, but artemis will crit more often than not
plain river
Admittedly the hp reduction could be lesser since it isn’t as strong as other aspects cough cough beo that have less penalties
plain river
i was just thingking about this: which % dmg booster is best? aphro gives the mo...
Aphro is consistent
hearty flare
Admittedly the hp reduction could be lesser since it isn’t as strong as other as...
not many things are strong compared to beo tho
plain river
Artemis also isn’t critting more often then not without mark
vagrant crane
i was just thingking about this: which % dmg booster is best? aphro gives the mo...
actually artemis will not crit more often than it will crit
plain river
not many things are strong compared to beo tho
Eris
plain river
but yeah
vagrant crane
hera
hearty flare
only thing i ran that was stronger was a basically perfect ME demeter fists build
vagrant crane
that's not stronger lol
plain river
The guan-yu penalty is a bit more then necessary given GY strength
vagrant crane
idk it doesn't really affect much
plain river
but gy is still strong
plain river
idk it doesn't really affect much
Yeah but it doesn’t really need the hp reduction
hearty flare
that's not stronger lol
you are right, but it is sure as hell strong and fast
plain river
It’s not like it’s unbalanced if you tone down the hp reduction
vagrant crane
it doesn't need it sure but when you're actually playing the game you don't notice it past tart
proven osprey
i was just thingking about this: which % dmg booster is best? aphro gives the mo...
Arty is prolly better and has interesting T2 such as Hunter's mark. I think the maths between Aphro and Arty favors the latter.
Aphro provides weak, which is nice.
Poseidon has really high damage, knock back is good and shoals is awesome
vagrant crane
and thats just because you're used to having 50 instead of 25 in tart
vagrant crane
Arty is prolly better and has interesting T2 such as Hunter's mark. I think the ...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=sharing
hearty flare
Arty is prolly better and has interesting T2 such as Hunter's mark. I think the ...
weak pairs nicely with slower weapons i think for trading hits
vagrant crane
aphrodite is better at lower rarity with a few poms
hearty flare
so like with arthur maybe, i really like a good aphro arthur build
vagrant crane
arty better otherwise
proven osprey
Guan Yu ain't slow
Ah yeah you don't attack with GY. It's special > double dash strike
hearty flare
yeah yeah its special seems nasty
vagrant crane
GY standing strikes suck
vagrant crane
society if GY flurry
proven osprey
society if GY flurry
Honestly yeah lmao
The damage is good but not worth going for without quick spin
hearty flare
im trying it right now on skelly and the special doesnt seem to be anything special. why is it good?
proven osprey
Except between waves when the setup is free
proven osprey
im trying it right now on skelly and the special doesnt seem to be anything spec...
It pierces enemies and guarantees a good Tartarus. However it's mainly good because of charged skewer. This hammer literally transcends the aspect
Without cskewer your damage will fall off in aspho/ely pretty bad
For example, a special (fiery presence) will one shot a witch
Without a boon on it
Since you can line up enemies, man it feels great to clear Tartarus with GY
plain river
The aoe on the special
tight basin
free exploding launcher, what's not to love
marble canyon
Is there a certain summon that’s better than the others?
plain river
Antos > Meg if you care about companion cuteness over effectiveness
last dirge
Yeah dont standing strike on GY. Either build for dash strikes or spin, which really needs hammers.
Both are harder than just special too. Special only leads easily into no hit builds
But they're fun builds. ME is really good.
The only hidden aspects with good standing strikes are Arthur Gilgamesh and Lucifer
Which are variable at best
And Arthur's still leans into dashing inbetween because the combo frames persist between dashes, allowing you to finish a combo as you dash around
Gilgamesh's has the best aoe of all fists. Lucifer has better flat scaling iirc
tight basin
luci doesn't have dash strikes lmao
last dirge
Yeah
last dirge
True
Which makes eternal fun
Because it's just persistent dashing around with a beam
No damage boost but its funny
You can do unique stuff with it like dire misfortune builds
Or the auto aim "bug" with Poseidon and sea storm
Rail dash strikes arent amazing anyway.
They contribute more dmg but bow dash strikes just wipe the floor
tight basin
hesty dash strikes tho
vagrant crane
also
tight basin
spread fire zag rail too, kinda chunky
last dirge
Conceptually
vagrant crane
rail dash strikes come out faster
last dirge
I know
vagrant crane
because you can put out your mag quicker
last dirge
It contributes damage so it's worth it
last dirge
I didnt say they are
They just arent as central as they are on bow or sword/spear dash strike builds
fleet glacier
is stygian soul better on beowulf trippy shot or should i go back to infernal soul?
vagrant crane
stygian is better for trippy flare
tight basin
you need to find more casts from chaos
1 extra if you get auto reload (pretty sure that's the right name) from hermes is doable, but otherwise you'd prob need like 2 more ideally
fleet glacier
1 extra if you get auto reload (pretty sure that's the right name) from hermes i...
what are the estimated odds for legendary boons(Fully Loaded)?
vagrant crane
what are the estimated odds for legendary boons(Fully Loaded)?
well
orange boon is 12%
warm snow
fully loaded rarely shows up
vagrant crane
10% in miniboss rooms
nectar/yarn add 10%
keepsake of that god adds 10%
legacy adds 10%
and that's per slot
but there's other shenanigans going on
fleet glacier
but there's other shenanigans going on
btw if I was supposed to get a Duo boon but i have nectar/yarn and the legendary is available would that mean i get it?
warm snow
both are able to show up
vagrant crane
btw if I was supposed to get a Duo boon but i have nectar/yarn and the legendary...
duo and lego roll the same
and if it rolls for a duo or lego it picks among any that you have open
so if you have like
fully loaded, splitting headache, and hunting blades open
and you roll for a duo/lego
you then have a 1/3 chance of getting any in that slot
i think
nyaanyaa probably knows
last dirge
For fully loaded you can take the prereqs if they show up
But focus on chaos and wells
Dont force it
Yeah that sounds about right jazz
And it can pick multiple. It's just exceedingly rare.
I assume 3 duos is possible but I dont recall any
I've seen 2 plenty
Very bad really
vagrant crane
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
Thanks nyaanyaa
stiff stone
Did they leave the server?
last dirge
Its complicated
vagrant crane
wait what
vagrant crane
well that sucks
last dirge
It was here. I can share my side in DMs briefly if you want.
last dirge
Yeah I didnt want it to happen. I tried to make that clear to the mods.
stiff stone
nyaa's been here forever
vagrant crane
is that why we had no monthly challenge
stiff stone
I'd say so since she's the one who managed it afaik
last dirge
Yeah it sucks. Hope she can come back eventually.
tight basin
@velvet nexus you should take dad call into styx btw
100% damage boost is kinda neat
general keepsake rotation is generally pos -> arty -> hourglass -> sigil
for speedrunning anyways
velvet nexus
<@269802455036985344> you should take dad call into styx btw
100% damage boost i...
I don't feel comfortable enough, yet, although the last two dad fights went pretty well. I'm gonna try :)
tight basin
fair enough, good luck
velvet nexus
thanks!
weary karma
If I restart a run by giving up and forcing the 1st god with a keepsake, is the original 1st god still guaranteed to be in the pool or do I change the seed by equipping a keepsake?
opaque hollow
You change the seed
last dirge
I like the idea of dad call a lot but it just feels so brief
My call bind is kinda awkward though
It's a joycon press which isnt a fast input
I think reload was there before
vagrant crane
well when not max call it is
last dirge
True
vagrant crane
and even when max call it's still like 5 seconds
last dirge
So is it a call you use at max?
vagrant crane
yeah
+100% damage for 5 seconds is immense on burst damage aspects
well
burst damage aspects that actually do good burst damage
last dirge
And even for Hades himself he go invuln so unpredictably
vagrant crane
and preferably don't have a lot of other % scaling
last dirge
True
Its definitely good. Especially for yeah like Hangover or something that doesnt get boosted otherwise.
Or just artemis
last dirge
I just find calls with my binding at least to be troublesome to upkeep even with Smair
Oh true
vagrant crane
put it on a trigger or bumper
last dirge
I assumed it would deal the dmg that was applied but yeah global dmg doesnt work that way
I have more important stuff on those binds
vagrant crane
most ppl have interact reload summon and call on triggers and bumpers
last dirge
I moved my dash to a trigger to make weaving dash strikes and specials in a rotation easier
I know
I just didnt like dash near attack and special
Did it for a long time but it made dash strikes a little harder
Basically separating the two feels better control wise for like holding attack and dash spamming on fists
Or bow dash strikes
Whatever
vagrant crane
which phase
vagrant crane
isn't it just 1 cast that gets the boost?
tight basin
i thought it was the whole duration
vagrant crane
i thought it deactivates as soon as you do anything
vagrant crane
it's bonus damage for 2 seconds or until he strikes
tight basin
oh well that's cringe
a lot worse than i thought lmao
so dad call with ME is pretty damn mid
because wouldn't it only buff the first hit, so the atk and not the doom
at that point using dad call isn't even about the damage, it's more about preventing darkness
tight basin
at 5 seconds is it every hit
vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
that used to be meta lol
tight basin
yeah when dad call didn't have charges at 50 and 100 only
it used to be quarted like the other calls
warm snow
oooh ok
tight basin
smair dad call is the reason why dad call is now 50 or 100
warm snow
lmao
tight basin
from what i heard in speedcord i think the strat was grab dad call in ely and get smair lol
or something like that
wait no i was right the first timem
dad call aspho so you can get smair
vagrant crane
from what i heard in speedcord i think the strat was grab dad call in ely and ge...
it was like
get smair stuff in tart sell call go sigue or something
spanish keyboard moment
tight basin
oh lmao
yeah it was scuffed
now instead of getting smair in tart we just get ME/mirage/every other duo in tart
eager echo
whats smair
lucid oar
Smoldering air, zeus + aphro duo
near sundial
ivory turtle
when you get a grasp boon on Beo: :D
when it's maimed: :'D
warm snow
maimed/flayed/addled are just "ok i wont get hit"
getting to 1hp while you have them is based
plain river
Maimed/flayed/addled just make reseting sd easier
warm snow
thought so
velvet nexus
maimed/flayed/addled are just "ok i wont get hit"
So would you say take good chaos boons regardless of the curse? I sometimes really struggle with curses but don’t wanna waste too many rerolls on Chaos
valid dagger
So would you say take good chaos boons regardless of the curse? I sometimes real...
It depends a bit on the context, on high heat some options are tougher. But while speedrunning yea you basically take anything that doesn’t slow you down. So you’d rather have -4hp everytime you attack over something like -dash distance
velvet nexus
Alright, guess I have to work harder on being fast and not getting hit, then :D thanks!
warm snow
So would you say take good chaos boons regardless of the curse? I sometimes real...
90% of the time i ignore the curse
er, don't let it stop me
vagrant crane
So would you say take good chaos boons regardless of the curse? I sometimes real...
bad curses are enshrouded roiling halting and slothful
you can take halting and slothful if the boon is really good and the percent loss isn’t too bad
enshrouded if you wanna high roll it
tight basin
For beo, slippery is also terrible
warm snow
what are all the effects
i don't remember what the names refer to
tight basin
Slippery is can't pick up cast
Enshrouded is can't see reward
Halting is shorter dash
Slothful is slowr movement
warm snow
roiling?
warm snow
oof yeah no
tight basin
80% roiling is funny tho
warm snow
+js3 
tight basin
Js7 is possible and it's hilarious
warm snow
what does it play like
tight basin
It feels like you're in unarmored witches hell but with every enemy
God forbid you get unarmored witches and numbskulls tho
Then it really takes forever
last dirge
Enshrouded is one I just hate
Just unfun
I've had it work out maybe once
Where I didn't get branching paths
I did once but got a god I wanted
Usually they're pretty free to take
The dash one can be troublesome. Roiling too ofc.
Does the slowdown one affect RD?
vagrant crane
yeah it wont
proper furnace
@warm snow poms are double of what its shown on trippy beo
First pom is a 120 dmg increase
vagrant crane
someone give me build
tight basin
serrated achilles
vagrant crane
ok
last dirge
I have a new idea for a funny Gilga run
Tdash Dio attack bad influence
Use aoe for bad influence fuel which then feeds into tdash dmg
If they knockback too far dot can finish them often
Take exclusive access if it shows up
Might lead to a double epic hyperrush, or even extra dashes too
Keep boons slim and you should be able to pom tdash to like 150-200 dmg if you arent stuck with a common
Which then becomes like 450-600 dmg per dash with the global damage sources
Wouldnt even use maim except early on
plain river
someone give me build
vagrant crane
oh
now i think we know what lvl 10 means
you just have the boon 10 times
right
last dirge
I've considered a bad influence build
But your hangover would be hard to stack and if you are stacking it you arent using special
There should have been a double spin hammer for spear
Dad gets one
stiff stone
GY spins a lot
opaque hollow
Tbh i lose more health trying to spin with guan yu
tight basin
yeah it's generally best not to use spin on guan yu
opaque hollow
But the healssss
stiff stone
It's more of a bait than anything
tight basin
But the healssss
you dont need to get healed if you dont get hit
tight basin
lmao i mean the special is unironically the best part of guan yu
opaque hollow
The best glass cannon build
vagrant crane
what about platinum nuke
opaque hollow
I find gy harder
tight basin
what about platinum nuke
isn't that beo
vagrant crane
isn't that beo
well aksually beo makes you take 10% more damage
tight basin
basically nonexistent tbf
warm snow
just block idiot
last dirge
Spins can do solid dmg and synergize well with some builds
But yeah its bait for high heat where even quick spin isnt fast enough
Otherwise it can be fun to play with spin builds
You spin then spam special to intersect enemies with the spin
Not for heals. You would also use pstatus usually
Like a low tolerance build or something
Spin basically lets you do flat or % dmg
Iirc it does more dmg than Zeus shield special.
Ofc it works very well with curse of pain + divine flourish spam
Or just dash strike
last dirge
I kinda want to compile a list of non-meta builds. Inspired by my #h1-victory-boasting post.
With a better start and some luck moved around, that build has potential.
Because you want % on Lucifer's special of course, but Zeus on special causes Hellfires to summon a bolt in their vicinity when an enemy enters the Hellfire. This happens immediately when it is shot at an enemy.
On top of that, this Sea Storm build can quickly get through Tartarus if you dont get shafted with no Zeus attack and are forced to start with Poseidon special like me, since it's a Zeus start.
Its actually a very rough start if you dont have Lightning Strike. I didnt feel like hardcore manipulating rng though.
stark lake
just made my greatest ever build
brittle swallow
what is the dumbest/most meme build I could do
warm snow
cold embrace Talos
proper furnace
super soaker is a classic
plain river
what is the dumbest/most meme build I could do
Cursed flurry slash
Or hoarding slash
last dirge
what is the dumbest/most meme build I could do
I'm a fan of love beams on talos
It's legit too.
Bad at the start, solid once you get everything
Because talos ruins Fiery Presence so your Aphro special is doing a lot less dmg
I suggest stygian soul
If you're aiming high you might get glacial glare too. But even with just Cold Embrace your crystals will last longer than your casts take to refresh
With Glare you can stack up more crystals than you could with Infernal. Its like if you were doing a trippy shot scintillating feast build.
To get the most out of your dmg engine's uptime you take Stygian.
Arctic Blast is good if you get Glacial Glare
Adds some aoe
Though you're probably better off staying slim and pomming glare and your cast a lot
I've gotten a common glare I got in Elysium to like lvl 9. Like 13 second beams.
That's a huge amount of time in Hades
ruby siren
FINALLY beat 24 heat w max FO, BP, & EM. been at this for soooo long. wish i recorded the run to post on YT but im so proud of myself 🥲 im trying to upload the pic of my build but for some reason wen i hit the plus icon next to the typing box all it says is 'use apps' n i dont get the file browser, does anybody kno why that would be?
valid dagger
FINALLY beat 24 heat w max FO, BP, & EM. been at this for soooo long. wish i rec...
Because you can't post pics in this channel, you'll have to post it in #h1-victory-boasting or copy its media link
ruby siren
oooo okee ty :3
that was the first time i got scintillating feast & ice wine at the same time, soooo friggin fun to use. flurry cast would have made it perfect but im not complaining 
tight basin
that was the first time i got scintillating feast & ice wine at the same time, s...
get that build on achilles, it'll do even more damage lol
last dirge
I think they're using Talos? I play on Switch and the icons are busy so I have a tough time distinguishing.
That may not lead to the most dmg for a cast build but it's still a castspect, and it works pretty great with the aoe properties of the Trippy Shot duos.
I'd even use Talos if I were aiming for an actual use of Dio's legendary. Just a cast heavy Drunken Fist.
Like the Festive Fog boons have 2 issues usually
- Hard to actively stay in/keep enemies in
- Hard to get in time for them to matter
Talos at least solves 1 problem.
Somewhat lol
Really them being fists is the main perk for them as a castspect
Gilgamesh can be a castspect and basically function like a weird Talos
At least that's a benefit for like, "standing casts" or "area casts" like Trippy and Crystal
tight basin
I think they're using Talos? I play on Switch and the icons are busy so I have a...
Was dem fists
last dirge
Ah. Thanks.
tight basin
The screen below is Talos if you wanna compare
last dirge
Nah I wont figure it out from a glance. I can with most boons but some are just too similar
tight basin
Wait actually it might've been zag fists lmfao
last dirge
Dem would have to rely less on the cast
Really it's sort of like an alt Zeus smair if you get it going and brought SS
Scintillating Feast bolts do a solid 40 dmg
Calls scale way harder tbf
Reminds me of the accidentally great run I had with snow burst Lucifer
Also Trippy Shot
Ik dash can do it but snow burst is a big area
and I wasnt doing Zeus
ruby siren
get that build on achilles, it'll do even more damage lol
helll yeaaa does the bonus cast damage affect those two duo boons? prob not i would guess but even so
it was dem fists
scintillating feast is lightning dmg so i would guess thats not considered cast damage. ice wine is +30% additional cast dmg so that one stacks iguess
vagrant crane
you can tell it's not talos because it's not sickeningly piss yellow
last dirge
Yeah Achilles wont effect the bolt dmg
ruby siren
lololol
vagrant crane
idk i think whetehr or not it is affected isnt too important because it's still trippychilles which does infinity damage
last dirge
Yeah
ruby siren
i cant standddd eris. i can never get used to standing inside the blast radius. maybe bc im playing on the cpmputer
last dirge
Though it does add some sustained dmg
vagrant crane
what
ruby siren
using mouse/keyboard specifically
vagrant crane
oh right
last dirge
Just get rocket
last dirge
It's annoying on controller too
ruby siren
Just get rocket
how does that work? stand near wall?
last dirge
Stand near enemy
vagrant crane
no just like
ruby siren
ooooo
vagrant crane
shoot an enemy when you're near them
tight basin
helll yeaaa does the bonus cast damage affect those two duo boons? prob not i wo...
Ice wine will stack on top, scintillating won't do anything
vagrant crane
could just run hestia c:
ruby siren
yooo ive never tried that!!! it all hinges on getting rocket tho
ruby siren
Ice wine will stack on top, scintillating won't do anything
yea thats what i figured
tight basin
Cluster helps the problem too tbh
ruby siren
yea i go for builds that hinge on specific boons/hammers all the time anyway lolll it's so bad for my mental health
ruby siren
You can also shoot 5 rockets
thats like the best friggin hammer combo in the game
last dirge
Then get tdash and you have rockets + +75% dmg tdash
ruby siren
yummy in my tummy
vagrant crane
yea i go for builds that hinge on specific boons/hammers all the time anyway lol...
real modded
ruby siren
real modded
im bouta do a hera build n chase arty's legendary as we speak matter of fact lmaooo such a bad idea but idccc
ruby siren
omggggg this might be the most insanely OP build ive ever gotten
im in styx if i dont beat dad ima be utterly ashamed of myself
ivory turtle
oooh!! Did you get arty legendary??
ruby siren
i decided to have another go with Eris n god did it pay off. even without rockets. athena + aphro legendary + over 400 health w life affirmation n thats just scratching the surface lol i cant wait to take a pic of all the boons, assuming i clear it
vagrant crane
she doesnt have a legendary what r u talking about
ruby siren
oooh!! Did you get arty legendary??
noooo that run went HORRIBLY lol i lost on theseus n asterius
ivory turtle
also I'm running Nemesis for the first time in a very long time lol, any tips?
ivory turtle
noooo that run went HORRIBLY lol i lost on theseus n asterius
OOOF I FEEL THAT
ruby siren
she doesnt have a legendary what r u talking about
watttt they both do lol
vagrant crane
also I'm running Nemesis for the first time in a very long time lol, any tips?
aphrodite atk -> artemis special
ruby siren
aphro charms n athena gives u a perma-shield
vagrant crane
no artemis has no legendary
ruby siren
artemis' legendary gives u 2 xtra bloodstones
ivory turtle
Uhhh doesn't arty have fully loaded?
vagrant crane
what r u talking about
ruby siren
jazz has been missing out lol
ivory turtle
... wait
ruby siren
fully loaded = 2 xtra bloodstones ru trolling?
ruby siren
jazz u have got to be trolling rn
vagrant crane
this is a known fact that people know
ivory turtle
understandable, have a nice day
ruby siren
u need 2/3 pressure points or support fire or exit wounds to get it
ivory turtle
aphrodite atk -> artemis special
ty!! any recommendations for the attack cycle
ivory turtle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1096639355545731072/i...
oh I see
ivory turtle
this actually makes sense
vagrant crane
look for double edge
ivory turtle
oh my gosh double edge on nemesis sounds nutty
vagrant crane
u need 2/3 pressure points or support fire or exit wounds to get it
no real boon would have two tier two prerequisites
ivory turtle
HECK YEAH I GOT DOUBLE EDGE
ruby siren
yessss omg first time beating 24 heat w max FM and EM after trying for months and then did a 2nd time in one day 😭😭😭
what is double edge?
fo*
vagrant crane
double edge makes dash strike hit twice and deal +20% damage on top of that
ruby siren
double edge makes dash strike hit twice and deal +20% damage on top of that
oooo yea i luv that 1
oh wow i forgot i had THREE legendaries hermes too
tight basin
Fully loaded is a scam made by big Artemis to make you get more Artemis boons
ivory turtle
oh my gosh double edge with this setup is broken
Then if I get heart rend its even more game over
I'm getting better at doing this rhythm and I am not regretting it lol
ruby siren
Fully loaded is a scam made by big Artemis to make you get more Artemis boons
big artemis 😂
ivory turtle
Fully loaded is a scam made by big Artemis to make you get more Artemis boons
also facts, I remember once I specifically took EVERY SINGLE artemis boon I could find and still didn't get it
ruby siren
also facts, I remember once I specifically took EVERY SINGLE artemis boon I coul...
yea it be like that fs
ruby siren
oh my gosh double edge with this setup is broken
what ru using?
tight basin
oh my gosh double edge with this setup is broken
double edge is just like the only good sword hammer lmao
tight basin
what ru using?
i'm pretty sure they're running nemesis
they're doing heart rend nem, aphrodite attack
ruby siren
ooo niiice
vagrant crane
it's worse because it's not bow 
last dirge
Bow is better than sword but double edge is 2x dmg and more dmg, twin shot is 2x dmg and reduced range
Yeah
ivory turtle
just got paupers strike, time to be poor but STRONK
last dirge
True
vagrant crane
so it doesn't suck before you get ME
last dirge
Its just deadly strike with bad luck
vagrant crane
it's double the % of deadly strike
last dirge
CoP?
vagrant crane
nemesis base is 30%
last dirge
I'm talking about the attack boon
vagrant crane
oh
tight basin
for unmodded i think aphro strike is better because deadly strike needs dedge
ivory turtle
it's not giving me heart rend and I am very salty
last dirge
Fair
tight basin
well deadly strike doesn't need dedge but like
last dirge
Normally I'm doing this with a hammer start
tight basin
not one shotting witches with a dash strike kinda sucks yaknow lmao
tight basin
lmao based
last dirge
Or double nova for arthur
Otherwise I dont run sword much
I'll just pop in with the aspect to see what hammers I get
Build around what I get
tight basin
i'm never touching sword or spear again unless i have a hammer start, in which i might consider it lmao
last dirge
Restarting and taking the right keepsake
Yeah fair
I'll do it on Achilles
Cast build
Kinda sucks on bosses but eh Achilles is strong already
ivory turtle
k breaching or shadow for nem
last dirge
Breaching ig
vagrant crane
breaching
ivory turtle
(or cruel but who cares loll)
vagrant crane
shadow also doesn't work for dash strikes
last dirge
I only like shadow on Arthur
ivory turtle
wait random question
ivory turtle
would flurry cruel work?
last dirge
But the dmg barely matters
tight basin
pretty sure they're incompatible
last dirge
Yeah
ivory turtle
oh rip
ruby siren
#h1-victory-boasting message hands down the most OP build ive ever had
thank u for suggesting i give eris another whirl @last dirge
last dirge
Np
plain river
k breaching or shadow for nem
Breaching
plain river
k breaching or shadow for nem
Tbh just differ to this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png
ruby siren
Tbh just differ to this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422...
but i love flurry slash
plain river
This tierlist isn’t about how much ppl love hammers
tight basin
it's fine to like it, doesn't make it good lol
ruby siren
haha i know 😂 what about combined w cursed? thats the one that restores hp but lowers max right?
plain river
that’s like
ruby siren
would it still be considered not good
ruby siren
ive had insanely good runs with that combo plus atk speed hermes
vagrant crane
tight basin
i just wouldn't expect to go high heat with it lol
vagrant crane
this build was kinda funny
vagrant crane
FDSchilles
plain river
This is literally about consistent strength
vagrant crane
oh yeah i got epic QR
plain river
And flurry slash/shadow slash both actively nerf you
vagrant crane
devolved into spamming all my buttons fest in dad
because there are literally so many different buttons to press
plain river
for not enough benefit
plain river
I meant
tight basin
he meant cursed
vagrant crane
do you mean cursed
plain river
Cursed slasg
vagrant crane
oh well yeah
plain river
my b
vagrant crane
flurry is weird and cursed doesnt even work
vagrant crane
i'd say double nova is useful
ruby siren
idk. wen i use them together im able to keep my hp consistently above 80% but i havent gone about 24 heat so i wouldnt know how it works in that situation
vagrant crane
it's pretty easy to keep hp above 80%
ruby siren
above*
last dirge
Well consider Dad
plain river
i'd say double nova is useful
It’s in neutral because you can dash out by accident
tight basin
flurry + cursed slash isn't bad tbh
it's like the same idea of clockets but a lot worse lol
vagrant crane
oh
vagrant crane
flurry + cursed slash isn't bad tbh
it's like the same idea of clockets but a lo...
i mean neither of them do extra damage
last dirge
How much dmg does his spear spin do just baseline?
plain river
On impulse
last dirge
It already hits like a truck
plain river
40 i believe
vagrant crane
40 i think
last dirge
Facetanking that fight just isnt a good idea
tight basin
i mean neither of them do extra damage
you just out heal most of the damage you take so it's fine tbh
vagrant crane
you kinda need swift strike to do that
last dirge
It would be better to just learn to dodge
last dirge
Like learn the telegraph for the spins
tight basin
flurry + cursed works for low heat
vagrant crane
and also war of attrition isnt too fun because flurry slash is mutually exclusive with dealing damage
last dirge
Or used a ranged aspect
vagrant crane
flurry + cursed works for low heat
you can do literally anything up to like 40 heat
tight basin
well not everyone cares about heat that high
tight basin
yeah definitely
but like flurry + cursed can work
i just wouldn't recommend ever going for it
plain river
They are both in the actively negative tier because they are both actively negative
vagrant crane
if you don't get it you're stuck with either flurry or cursed slash
both of which are garbage
last dirge
I might do it because I've never gotten it.
tight basin
if you don't get it you're stuck with either flurry or cursed slash
exactly lmao
last dirge
But I'm very experienced.
vagrant crane
you can't just start with the combo
ruby siren
i just wouldn't recommend ever going for it
good take
last dirge
Yeah that too. You get stuck with either or and an incomplete build.
tight basin
like it's a similar idea to clockets except much worse
instead of 2 good hammers creating something broken, it's 2 very bad hammers creating something mediocre but usable
vagrant crane
and flurry slash just kinda hurts your dps
plain river
cursed slash by itself is just nerfing you because it doesn’t apply to dash strikes
last dirge
Flurry needs flat dmg
ruby siren
and flurry slash just kinda hurts your dps
also true since the ideal dps order is ds ds special
plain river
Flurry slash harms your own dps instead of double edge
vagrant crane
so going for it is a painful experience until 2nd hammer and then you have like 3/12 chance of getting the hammer
tight basin
cursed slash by itself is just nerfing you because it doesn’t apply to dash stri...
that's why you get flurry slash so dash strikes aren't used
last dirge
Maybe if you have Zeus attack
last dirge
Yeah
vagrant crane
if i have flurry i would rather funniest 4 buttons known to man
ruby siren
I would rather piercing wave
very fun to do
tight basin
if i have flurry i would rather funniest 4 buttons known to man
ctrl alt delete and power button?
plain river
But never have purple swift strike by eury
ruby siren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flu...
ahahaha
plain river
you would need 10x heroic swift strike for that lol
vagrant crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1083402969342541934/ou...
lvl10 means you have it 10 times
plain river
🤨
plain river
Idk I don’t have codex mod
plain river
or lvl3 chaos strike
🤨🤨🤨
ivory turtle
oh my gosh I thought I was in builds all this time
plain river
Getting heart rend is a victory
vagrant crane
ruby siren
oh my gosh I thought I was in builds all this time
oh noo where were u actualky
vagrant crane
Ignited Ichor lvl.2
plain river
oh noo where were u actualky
Victory
ivory turtle
I was talking about my build... in victory boasting
plain river
Ignited Ichor lvl.2
Hmm
Interesting
Last I checked
They’d display seperately in game
Double checking
plain river
But
When you have them in the run
They display seperately no?
Or is it different for hermes boons
Compred to items
vagrant crane
idk
vestal maple
what's the best build overall when u just want to farm resources? (have coronacht zagreus lv 5 and rail eris lv 2)
tight basin
use whatever weapon that has dark thirst and start poseidon's keepsake
try and pick up ocean's bounty and sunken treasure from him whenever you can
pick up eclipse boons from chaos if you see them
ideally you'd pick up dionysus and try to get the duo exclusive access so you can get epic eclipse boons from chaos
vagrant crane
and try to get oceans bounty frolm poseidon and eclipses frolm cahos
tight basin
oh did he ask this in speedcord already
vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
lmao
tbh the more important part is prob chasing dark thirst
unless you're not consistently winning
and then at that point just use what you're good at
vagrant crane
good thing tidal dash is op
tight basin
yeah lmao
vestal maple
hmmm thx
opaque hollow
Does mirage shot add alot of damage to hera?
opaque hollow
Ah ok
opaque hollow
I got it in a run recenetly, not really tryibg for it but it seemd ok
tight basin
so like
useful
but wouldn't use keepsakes for it unless you already got snow burst
opaque hollow
Yeah i got natural posiden and arty
tight basin
like you start aphrodite and naturally find demeter (snow burst) and pos/artemis in tart
or that yeah
vagrant crane
certainly good, but not worth chasing
if u get half of it u force it into aspho i think
tight basin
if u get half of it u force it into aspho i think
you still force dem
vagrant crane
im going frolm hera guide
tight basin
croven got natural arty and pos in his run
opaque hollow
Had 6 casts for the dad fight tho
vagrant crane
Usually take Artemis/Poseidon/Demeter into Asphodel, depending on what your pool is. If you get ½ of mirage, force the other half. If you get both halves, force Artemis so you can get hunters mark/PP/exit wounds if you dont get mirage, or force Poseidon if you want Sweet Nectar. Force Demeter if you have mirage, your mirage dreams are dead, or you prefer Snow Burst to mirage.
vagrant crane
croven got natural arty and pos in his run
well yeah because now it's open
tight basin
or he just prefers snurst to mirage lmao
last dirge
Sburst is definitely better for most builds.
Which is why CoD is still a good cast
"Good"
It's like Ganon in Melee
tight basin
Which is why CoD is still a good cast
Snurst doesn't eat your cast and still let's you launch it lmao
last dirge
Sburst is better dps for certain cast builds for sure
Like crush shot spam can be really rapid, especially if you get flurry cast
drowsy saddle
i mean you dont use snurst for dps
last dirge
Though Achilles wont boost sburst
last dirge
That's dps
drowsy saddle
the dps boost from snurst is negligible, as in single-target dps
last dirge
Fair
drowsy saddle
AoE != dps
last dirge
On Hera at least. Other castpects can rapid cast
last dirge
Innately yes
drowsy saddle
but it benefits from snurst the most since it doesnt commit to the animationk
drowsy saddle
i mean crush shot achilles sounds annoying since its super low range
vagrant crane
hera has the 2.5s drop tiem
5s
drowsy saddle
what
last dirge
Achilles has great movement
vagrant crane
2.5s is common QR
drowsy saddle
XD
vagrant crane
1.7 is epic i think
last dirge
Like with auto aim Achilles does the work for me
drowsy saddle
when is pom scaling QR to get instadrop
last dirge
Just special and hit cast
Even better if you get blown kiss
A boon I only get when I take crush shot to open smair or something
plain river
when is pom scaling QR to get instadrop
vagrant crane
when is pom scaling QR to get instadrop
wallbug:
plain river
Qr reload kind of just
Increasing the divisor of og tome
Og time to drop is 10/1=10s
Common qr ups that to 10/2
Every rarity increase increases the divisor by 1
drowsy saddle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1096991789421965342/ou...
where do yall pull these graphs from
tight basin
wallbug:
me and the boys wall bugging without a wall
(the enemies are dead)
(ideally)
lucid oar
im going frolm hera guide
It’s outdated
vagrant crane
force dem into common rav will
valid dagger
Hell ye
vestal maple
Should I unlock nectar vintage or erebus first?
and who should I max friendship first?
vagrant crane
Should I unlock nectar vintage or erebus first?
id do vintage nectar
tight basin
nectar vintage is the thing where you get a pom level from nectar right
vestal maple
wrong channel, sorry
tight basin
i mean it's fine
vestal maple
nectar vintage is the thing where you get a pom level from nectar right
yup
warm snow
especially reroll from key
last dirge
It doesnt apply to all nectar tbf
Like nectar from a trove or a key from a shop dont work
Otherwise it would be even stronger lol
warm snow
troves can give nectar?
last dirge
Rarely yeah I think it might be an upgrade idk
It's not a bit deal since no pom
Just chamber rewards count
proper furnace
Troves can also give diamonds
last dirge
They're good for obols I guess if you arent going for time
Never buy a trove tracker lmao
tight basin
Troves are good for resetting SD :)
iron sequoia
Any good ideas for a Zeus aspect build? I’m kinda stuck with it
proper furnace
what the hell is a trove
Those treasure chests that you can see during the chambers
They give meta rewards-hesling based on how quick you defeat the enemies it spawns
And as mentioned sometimes they can also drop nectar-diamonds along its normal rewards
latent mountain
Its been awhile since ive been in the server but I think im supposed to ask here?
What would be the best aspect to focus on first? im restarting from the beginning so i want to make sure i dont waste my blood (I wasnt that far in anyways but been a long time since i played so want to start fresh)
valid dagger
What would be the best aspect to focus on first? im restarting from the beginnin...
You can check #h1-for-new-players pins for a quick rundown of what aspects are good at low level/with little investment
vagrant crane
What would be the best aspect to focus on first? im restarting from the beginnin...
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glass otter
I must say, I am quite dissatisfied with Aspect of Beowulf shield.
Comparison: I get through Extreme Measures Act 3 Boss with Aspect of Hades without losing a single Death Defiance, and lose one in Extreme Measures Final Boss.
Very next run, I try Aspect of Beowulf after unlocking it, and lose all my Death Defiances to Act 3 Boss, and die to Final Boss even when having got some back.
It is just so damn slow. I take hits I have no reason to take, I can not just let my Y whittle a Boss down, and my damage output in general is way worse than before.
And if someone says I am supposed to load my Casts into the Bull Rush, I ask: "But why though?"
As far as my experience goes, loading the Casts into Bull Rush is just more inconvenient way to use Casts because there is an unnecessary extra step involved, and it makes it harder to aim and slower to use the Casts for a negligible benefit, if any.
Tldr: It is slower, less convenient, and I take extra damage. What am I missing, why would I voluntarily use this?
vagrant crane
I must say, I am quite dissatisfied with Aspect of Beowulf shield.
Comparison: I...
beowulf is the highest damage aspect in the game
warm snow
get charged shot
vagrant crane
so like
vagrant crane
I must say, I am quite dissatisfied with Aspect of Beowulf shield.
Comparison: I...
if you're playing without the casts it is really bad
it is a worse zagshield in that case
the whole reason beowulf is so immensely high damage is because of the casts
you can put out like 6 casts at once immediately
funnily enough hades aspect is one of the worst in the game
so this is 100% a playstyle thing
let me find one of my beautiful beo vods
warm snow
the extra damage taken is meant as balance because it's such a strong aspect
vagrant crane
oh right
i forgot about that
but also that actually isnt the case i dont think
because people didnt know it was cracked until at least after 1.0
because iirc 1.0 was eris fest
or else they would have patched mirage bug
here
i'm bad at the game
and all that
and i still managed this time with beo because it's cracked
don't undervalue your casts
tight basin
I must say, I am quite dissatisfied with Aspect of Beowulf shield.
Comparison: I...
hidden aspects hit slower but (are supposed to) hit much harder. beo is one of the hardest hitting ones in the game and is the fastest. you might need to dash strike into your dragon rush, since it puts down the shield faster. a standing attack is quite slow, so you dont want to use those to charge your dragon rush.
and yes, you definitely are supposed to load your casts into the rush, just like hera (another top speedrunning aspect). thats where all the damage is coming from. if you don't like the "extra step" load it while you're in the rush or aiming the rush
also make sure you're using a good flare. flood flare is considered the best because it opens up mirage shot, which is bugged to deal 100% instead of 30%. so flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot. makes the late game very easy
passion flare is just big number and works. passion flare -> snow burst/frost strike/mistral dash and use priv status in the mirror
glass otter
https://youtu.be/4NEoJWOAXOM?t=23
I think using Piercing Shot as an example is a tad misleading, since that makes Bull Rush immensely easier to use. :b
vagrant crane
well yeah thats the best hammer for beo
tight basin
you dont have to use charged shot for beo to be good
vagrant crane
sudden rush is a functional sub in
but it still would be dealing the same immense damage
glass otter
Fair enough.
vagrant crane
lmfao
tight basin
well i didn't have cshot for like majority of the run lmao
vagrant crane
when did ocaml old unm beo wr get hammer