The speed buff is independent
#h1-builds-and-combat
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vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
hella cheap
last dirge
Its 10 or 20
Oh and I had a good Hydraulic Might
Carrying my Artemis dmg a bit
Even got mirage shot from styx
I was expecting cod
Like I already had all poms in styx and bought flood shoot to mess around and see if I would get it since I had an Ares and Poseidon boss room
Hydraulic Might + RD is kinda hot
brazen urchin
Sooo Demeter is better than she seems at face value.. slowing bosses is invaluable and one of the easiest ways to keep privileged status on at all times.
I like her on attack for fists/rail, or special on Chiron bow. Goes with pretty much any non stacking status effect
vagrant crane
Sooo Demeter is better than she seems at face value.. slowing bosses is invaluab...
Pstatus generally not preferred
Chill can be nice but her lower %s are frustrating
and deflect has imo better utility
brazen urchin
The alt ability for +% on multiple gods is usually the go to?
That's one thing I haven't played too much with, deflect on attacks. I usually just grab her dash, cast, or call
warm snow
i use arty or dio on Chiron
vagrant crane
The alt ability for +% on multiple gods is usually the go to?
That's one thing...
wdym
warm snow
i much prefer %d than flat
vagrant crane
alt ability?
demeter on atk for fists and rail isn't good also
you get like
6 extra damage
at rare
brazen urchin
Maybe I'm confused, you mentioned Pstatus not preferred, might've just been correcting my language lol (privileged status is the real name).
Thought you meant to swap off of privileged status and use the other mirror ability
proper furnace
Maybe I'm confused, you mentioned Pstatus not preferred, might've just been corr...
They mean that
Family favorites is better most of the time than pstatus
brazen urchin
Ohhh ok. Does Hermes&Chaos count towards it to?
proper furnace
Pstatus is useful for when your build already runs into the 2 curses
Hermes yes, Chaos no
warm snow
and passion flare builds
what's the other status effect then
warm snow
oooh
brazen urchin
& yeah Demeter on main attack rail/fists isn't exactly fast (it's a little better with the 10 stacks explode), it's just very safe.
Since her cold stacks to 10 with a long debuff time I figured it pairs well with something that can apply multiple stacks fast, def not as insane as Zeus stacking or Dio
proper furnace
Artic blast chiron can be fun tbh
If my 20 or so early em4 kills where i just did that over and over say something
warm snow
anything works on low heats so who's to tell
proper furnace
Anything works but not everything is fun
I still hate that single spread fire eris run i did
brazen urchin
Its funny, I got my first clear which felt like a fluke on my 12th run with the rail, continually got smashed for another 10 runs, and now the game is relaxing even with a timer lol.
I'm sure that will change...
brazen urchin
I'm only at like 6 or 7 heat now, my best run is just over 20m, average is between 22-26m.
So I just tick the extended boss tactics, the timer, and a bit more enemy HP for now (might change this to enemy damage - I still get hit by traps so +400% on those is eeee).
Haven't even seen Elysium + hades extended tactics yet
Does anyone ever take High Confidence (+20% dmg above 80% HP) over the +50 starting health? Seems pretty ballsy
proper furnace
Turn off calisthenics programs and see how easier is to get sub 20 times lol
Well you take high confidence if you are confident 
Mainly in speedruns
vagrant crane
you take HC in speedruns
also
heightened security sucks
don't take it
just put some points in like
hard labor, lasting consequences
proper furnace
Or take bp/mm so you get used to them
vagrant crane
oh yeah
if you're pushing heat
you should just like
always have on
em3 bp2 mm uc td3
cunning urchin
Heightened Security is fun.
brazen urchin
Will do lol
I'll try high confidence for sure, I barely get touched in Tartarus
vagrant crane
it really starts falling off in heat
proper furnace
Heightened Security is fun.
Sd resetting on hs so comfy
vagrant crane
32 speedruns don't take it
because like
lc4 means once you die first time it will never be up again
and hl5 means even if you get patty and 2 tosd
you're still only gonna have it up for like 1 hit
brazen urchin
Ohhh I wanted to ask, is there a different interaction with the keepsakes that add +whatever/encounter when you hit Styx?
I think I was running the +% damage if not hit keepsake one run, and it didn't give me the buff after each mini room.
Or I was really high. Just wanted to confirm each of those little rooms count towards it
vagrant crane
Ohhh I wanted to ask, is there a different interaction with the keepsakes that a...
yes
the mini rooms dont count
valid dagger
It just gives after the miniboss
proper furnace
Butterfly/plume/hydro might dont count them
brazen urchin
Goddamn. Do you have to no hit every mini room + big room or just the big room?
vagrant crane
per encounter well items count those
valid dagger
Pom Blossom the only one that counts the mini tunnels
proper furnace
Big room
brazen urchin
Pom blossom rocks
vagrant crane
actually pom blossom doesn't count the mini tunnels because the pom just goes on your frost flourish
brazen urchin
F
I got my first call (mmm Meg), saving it for daddy wasn't the right call apparently. I'll see myself out
brazen urchin
Hidden companion: Workers Union (final boss sells his company to shareholders)
last dirge
Pom cant go on bad boons if you have no bad boons
vagrant crane
blood frenzy 😌
last dirge
I got Exclusive Access as my final boon last night
vagrant crane
huge
last dirge
And a heroic PP
proper furnace
5% crit chance goes hard
last dirge
I wanted to reroll but I took dmg testing out a heroic swift strike
So that result was fine
Heroic swift strike makes zoos on gilga kinda good
It was a tdash sea storm build.
And Splitting Bolt too
late kelp
anyone have any good builds for curse of drowning?
warm snow
achilles
late kelp
would a Sea storm, Splitting bolt, second wave build be any good?
lucid oar
Yeah
vagrant crane
would a Sea storm, Splitting bolt, second wave build be any good?
this is like what you need to keep up with ME i think
late kelp
I don't get it
late kelp
ah I see
last dirge
Just ran Chiron. It really doesnt have many builds.
last dirge
I kinda messed up build planning and went deadly flourish for some reason but I got Dio to replace that.
vagrant crane
it just sucks equally with most everything
last dirge
Sure
vagrant crane
it can do every special except like doom
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Like the only thing that really works with it is aphro + dio duo which isnt even that good
cunning urchin
vagrant crane
dio and thunder flourish both work too
cunning urchin
What else is there beyond just proccing PS
Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
vagrant crane
doom sucks
last dirge
I'll check it if I try chiron again
vagrant crane
i think chiron 32 wr has tempest flourish or something
last dirge
Just had bow up
vagrant crane
if the new ocke was that
last dirge
Tempest flourish kinda makes sense
vagrant crane
i know ocke said he starts pos and takes higher rarity of special or dash
last dirge
With how some t2s work potentially
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But idk how they did it
vagrant crane
last dirge
You could rapidly wall push enemies
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Yeah true
Poseidon is so funny. Basically lowest % on attack
Highest basically on special
vagrant crane
uh
cunning urchin
You can run Curse of Pain on it just fine, there's just no upsides to it compared to better options.
last dirge
Yeah Curse of Pain was what I was going for.
vagrant crane
there are definitely 2 that are higher %
last dirge
I said basically
cunning urchin
lmao
vagrant crane
that's not what basically means
last dirge
There are 2 higher yes I know
vagrant crane
...
cunning urchin
Why are you attacking jazz for pointing out what you said was untrue?
The "argument" is what you said was simply wrong.
last dirge
No, you just want to be right.
Saying a 10% difference makes 1 % basically the same as another is not egregious
Yet you start these arguments with me every day
It's literally marginal.
Is what I meant by basically
vagrant crane
well first off 10% is significant but also 26% is significant
tight basin
there's 2 gods with higher %s than pos? i thought pos was 2nd highest already
last dirge
Okay so you're basically splitting pennies on me
vagrant crane
there's 2 gods with higher %s than pos? i thought pos was 2nd highest already
factoring in crits
tight basin
oh
cunning urchin
You're acting way out of line ngl.
last dirge
You make this community toxic and stagnant
Take it higher up. I dont really care. I've been in your position and I was sniffing my own farts too.
Get over yourself.
You're just some poster in a discord
I'm not the one attacking you on a regular basis. Don't try to pretend this constant dogpiling on basic errors or whatever else isnt a thing here. It absolutely is. I've been here for over a year.
I'm asking you to stop doing this to me in this moment and in the future.
If that is too hard for you then you're breaking rules yourself lmao
What rules am I breaking btw? Speaking back to you?
I have been here a year and now I ask you to stop this weird highschool friend group style harassment. Sorry I didnt say anything earlier but you people are pretty intense.
The mains of this server's Hades chats can be extremely gatekeepy at times.
Like its asinine that you would say I'm out of line like that matters. You arent a mod. Dont act like one.
You are a poster.
Its bullying behavior and I am just sick of it.
Like imagine thinking you are the one to keep "the line" on literally everything related to this game.
Like I come in here excited to chat but nope, here come the unfriendly regulars to rain on my parade.
Everything you do is wrong if it isnt the meta and every minor error in your posts will be surgically examined.
Just cut it out. Is that so hard?
I took a break from this server for a reason
And I come back to the same toxicity and cliques
cunning urchin
I don't need to be a moderator to point out that personal attacks are out of line.
last dirge
No personal attacks here at all.
Stop attacking me. You arent the victim here.
I literally had to take a break from you and the other regulars.
Isnt that proof enough?
You are so hostile to outside ideas that I had to take a break
And I can handle arguments
But you wore me down lol
I've been here since I bought Hades and I must have bought it 2 years ago.
I'm not lying about my experiences of dogpiling.
I've done reflection. You need to reflect about your own behavior in this server.
Isnt it convenient how you ignore every point I make about how you have been behaving, and make it all about me?
When I didnt start this argument and laugh at someone over misusing a word?
You literally laughed at me for saying basically
You dont know what language I was born with or what learning disabilities I might have.
Please, get a mod. I am confident enough that you are very wrong that I will risk it. You have been bullying people including me for who knows how long, it's sad, and I literally had to take a break from here and you specifically.
That says there is a problem with the environment here. You feed into that.
I literally just want you to admit you were wrong for once ever on this server and maybe consider stopping being a bully and gatekeeper.
Okay, don't give a person you have been hurting for over a year anything. What an awesome lovely server filled with nice amazing regulars.
Not a bunch of sweaty bullies screaming at people over 10% differences.
Laughing at people.
If I find myself banned I'm taking this to discord because this nonsense constitutes harassment and an official game's server should not tolerate harassment from their regulars just because they think they are special.
Let me know when you're able to dignify me with a response nyaa. This bullying has been incessant and if you cant admit it that's your problem. People dont usually take breaks for their mental health from servers that arent toxic and cliquey
Seriously. Tell me when you are willing to communicate with me like a human being instead of doing that little character you do in this server.
Seriously. If you ban me for this nonsense accusation of personal attacks (point out one, calling you a poster instead of heightening your role in this server some other way is not a personal attack) I will make trouble for Supergiant. I had to take a serious mental health break from a game i love because this server was too toxic.
If the mods are unwilling to admit that then maybe Supergiant needs to take a look at what's going in in here.
Its favoritism. You prefering nyaa over me when she has been harassing me for as long as I've been in this server.
Like you twist every argument I or whoever else you are harassing is having with you so that they have to admit they are wrong.
It's sad.
Because you need to be right every single time. Because this is your place and you will be here forever. Trust me I understand. I was like that for a Darkest Dungeon server until thinking I was special ended that. You need to stop doing the same.
Maybe take a break from this server yourself. You seem to have posted here every day since Hades EA.
That's not healthy. I am saying that out of concern from someone who has done the same.
If you interpret any of this as a personal attack, you have bigger problems in your life.
Like making this server and harassing people who know less than you your job.
Very cool. Such a mature thing to do.
I literally just want you and the others in this server with this attitude to cut it out. It is unbelievably toxic.
Again, no personal attacks here. Its your behavior and the atmosphere and the "line" that you uphold in this server that is the issue.
It's a culture that pushes anything nonstandard out.
We have a word for that in real life politics.
Maybe this server shouldn't be like that and you shouldn't be such a damn gatekeeper and laugh at someone for saying a 10% difference makes the two basically the same.
Like Jesus christ why are you like this.
You just always have to be right even when it's literally 10%
Or whatever number you want to correct me on with extreme hostility.
Seriously one of the most hostile servers I have been on ever. I don't know why the mods allow your behavior.
Again, probably favoritism. You are "special".
You're just the oldest poster on the group chat.
Nothing more.
You dont have the right to treat people like you have. I've had now 2 melt downs over you specifically and how you treat me and others in this server.
Maybe you should reflect when you are causing extreme distress in other people.
Again, you arent the victim here.
Just consider why you are being so toxic in the Hades server.
Its such a lovely game.
Why can't the server be nice.
The rest of it is. The main Hades chats just arent 50% of the time because of the speed runner community and such.
Just being rude to everyone else.
You're so elitist over such an odd game.
Its about family. Meanwhile you're alienating people.
Just cut it out. I need you to understand this. Stop being such an elitist. I hope I have made this very damn clear to you.
Like your clique needs to relax.
This server isnt just for hardcore gamers who jump on people for saying the wrong word. And laugh at them too.
Lmao I'm attacking you, after you laughed at me for misusing a word when I have a learning disability.
Just incredibly insensitive.
Since a mod didnt show up I just messaged one.
cunning urchin
I laughed one time today in howevery-many years you've been here because you once again tried to spin things when somebody pointed out you said something factually incorrect, like virtually every other time that happens.
I have no interest in replying to a series of lies and spin about me. This isn't the place for such a discussion in the first place.
vagrant crane
Maybe this server shouldn't be like that and you shouldn't be such a damn gateke...
10% is actually pretty significant on chiron especially if you have conc volley, because it struggles with breakpoints often so the extra 25 damage can come in useful for enemies like burn flingers or the ely blue man group
especially once you factor in the better pom scaling
tight basin
i think you missed the point of their message 
late kelp
yeah
vagrant crane
although i think shoals could bring it over
which would make sense i guess chiron kinda bad gy
tight basin
Everything you do is wrong if it isnt the meta and every minor error in your pos...
will say that i am guilty of hard sticking to the meta, i'll try and keep a more open mind about different stuff
last dirge
Yeah I'm clearly just lying about you. Very good look.
You totally dont think you are special and untouchable.
last dirge
will say that i am guilty of hard sticking to the meta, i'll try and keep a more...
You are open minded.
I'm going to bed. Let the mod decide. I messaged one already.
cunning urchin
You are lying blatantly, yes.
last dirge
Nope
You're just a narcissist
This is your special place that you rule and you need to be right here
hot scaffold
one thing worth saying is that in the end it's just a game, even if everyone was to say what you do is wrong, as long as it works for you, it doesn't matter - a lot of the builds I like the best are deemed inferior by guides and such online but idc, I like them; you always clear best when using whatever you like most and feel comfortable with
last dirge
All the time. Every day.
hot scaffold
so don't take it to heart too much if people say what you do is wrong
last dirge
Yup it is just a game. Not to her though.
It's been her life for like 5 years
So she needs to be a bully about it.
Very mature.
Just a rude unfriendly awful discord poster who has been in a lauded position for too long. She needs to take a break.
She doesnt get to come down on literally everyone. I see this daily.
You may not think its rude but you are rude.
Today is not the first time. Today is the straw that broke the camel's back.
After I literally already took a mental health break.
soft shoal
Lmao what essay did I come online to read
last dirge
Nyaanyaa needs to grow up and stop thinking she is literally divinity in this server.
last dirge
Didnt want to come unglued but she really needs to back off sometimes.
Sure. She can also be very rude.
For no reason.
cunning urchin
Idk, her advice tends to be quite helpful
Thanks! m glad it's been helpful. 
last dirge
See how you dignify the posts that glorify you and ignore how banana criticized you.
Totally not too online.
Totally doesn't need a break from this server
tight basin
wait what when did i criticize her
last dirge
You said she missed my point.
tight basin
oh right lmao
last dirge
Because she just skipped over everything and became accusatory
Again, totally a good sign.
She can totally take criticism.
untold vortex
Hey there, I'd suggest y'all move onto a different topic please, thankyou 
last dirge
Alright. I'm heading to bed.
late kelp
yep lets leave it to the mod, and if not just try to move on if we can
lucid oar
Pos special Chiron is good tho
Well, relative to other specials
Shoals is very good, sea storm as a scaling option too
Far better scaling than aphro special has imo
warm snow
chiron is just usable chaos
spare holly
i don't play much with Chiron- can sea storm trigger off of every arrow in the special if you get pos special? I've tried shooting (heh) for it before but never gotten it
I'm sure it's just once per special, but it'd be funny if it wasn't
vagrant crane
i don't play much with Chiron- can sea storm trigger off of every arrow in the s...
No
actually
well
I'd imagine it wouldn't
because thunder flourish has a cooldown
but not 100% sure
spare holly
sad, it'd be great if it did 
warm snow
i assume it's like all Zeus boons, 1 bolt per 0.2s
vagrant crane
1 bolt per enemy per 0.2s
spare holly
Thanks though! Guess I'll stick to dio special
plain river
1 bolt per enemy per 0.2s
Per source
plain river
1 bolt /enemy /source of bolts/.2 seconds
vagrant crane
but that makes sense
plain river
Sea storm still falls under those rules afaik
last dirge
Mom pom was clutch today
3 upgrades on jolted 1 on crush shot 1 on dio call
Crush shot build that ventured into smair. Achilles.
Flurry + epic swift strike
Off an anvil I manipulated though
bright turret
what are good hammers for zag fists?
vagrant crane
what are good hammers for zag fists?
fists = take breaching cross
pine scaffold
so like aphro?
tight basin
Yeah aphro works
pine scaffold
oh yeah
tight basin
The general rule is like
Either aphro or epic Athena/dem
But Artemis is sorta fine
pine scaffold
two boons from the same god
tight basin
Artemis would rely more on hammers and chaos tho
pine scaffold
does perfect shot do anything
vagrant crane
yes
pine scaffold
because of fo2
tight basin
I mean yeah lol
You just need more distance to hit basically
And release early if need be
mild ridge
Can someone help me make the gilga sea storm build pls ?
warm snow
it's called flurry shot
tight basin
Can someone help me make the gilga sea storm build pls ?
do you want like, dash only or an actual build lol
warm snow
Can someone help me make the gilga sea storm build pls ?
Poseidon on attack and dash
zeus cast, maybe call
any decent %special
done
tight basin
because sea storm gilga is generally dash only
mild ridge
Idk never play with it
mild ridge
Poseidon on attack and dash
zeus cast, maybe call
any decent %special
done
I need their duo
Poseidon’s boons for knocks away and jolted double strike ect.. ?
And i start with poseidon ?
mild ridge
What is it
warm snow
storm lighting if you want zeus legendary
you do want double strike, jolted, maybe lighting reflexes
and breaking wave + razor shoals + wave pounding
off the top of my head
i'll try this build in a bit
mild ridge
Ty
last dirge
Yeah splitting bolt is strong on sea storm gilga
It's a build I used to do all the time. Requires a lot but its effective.
I got an epic swift strike last I did it
Into heroic
Support fire and PP
Poseidon's legendary can be solid too if you get breaking wave
Breaking wave can make itself trigger sometimes
It can chain breaking waves a bit and rapidly wall slam, especially with the legendary
That's where your real dmg is, even with Poseidon attack
Otherwise you get pretty little, same as basic Zeus attack.
Though Zeus attack can scale well on Eris but that's just global dmg being amazing.
That's why HyperRush is amazing
Getting both epic for example is +100% global dmg for 0.7 seconds after a dash.
That effects Splitting Bolt, making it 80 dmg iirc, same as Sea Storm bolts. Tidal Dash gets doubled. Static Discharge gets doubled. Breaking Wave gets doubled. Rend gets boosted considerably. Even your Call and Summon iirc get boosted.
At least I've seen Bouldy deal 1250 dmg vs Maim.
Bouldy can also be a solid choice for Gilga if you arent time crunching btw
Makes shops easier too
It's less dmg and a small area, but it's still very useful.
You get like 4-5 food, like 20 darkness and like 40 obols
I often use Bouldy early on before the first midshop
This can be useful if you need a pom or a heart, or even if the right God shows up
Or later, buying a hammer if you missed it.
Helps make choices and build a fair bit while also providing heals.
Like most of the time you cant afford a boon by the tart midshop
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you have like 115 obols
1 bouldy means you can decide between a pom heart or boon
Handy when you're dealing with Maim. Maim is only really an issue in Elysium and on Dad btw.
You can just not use it on Dad where its worst.
He goes invuln or disappears a lot too, ruining the Maim dmg.
Phase 2 and 3 less so
But those are faster and more dangerous
Like Dad hits for like idk 45 dmg?
And gilga dashes are short and have a longer cooldown iirc, so you can get stuck in his spin.
Definitely an aspect you need to be careful with. I just like it because it's so explicitly non-meta
vagrant crane
Phase 2 and 3 less so
probably not em4
last dirge
It's fun to build, shows off dash boons, is risk/reward
Yeah not on em4 for sure
For a lot of trash enemies, dash uppering is fine
Just kill them faster with your tdash and zeus/jolted
Oh and it can be bad on Champions/Minotaur
They also go invuln. All bosses do which can make Maim less relevant
In those cases you should just use your cast
Too slow on non cast builds for normal enemies, but very good on bosses.
Keep a cast in them to keep your dps up without Maim
Oh and if you do use Maim,
Leave enemies hanging with approximately 400 hp or less left if they have Maim. Dont bother fully killing them, especially if you do get Poseidon special and like Razor Shoals.
They'll die naturally
Excluding like elysium spirits
Or Satyrs
But like classic example, Lernie heads, you can quickly dispatch those by first applying Maim, doing your dash strike/boon combo, and leaving them at like 33% hp after armor, before heat modifiers.
Just move on to the next head.
vagrant crane
Heads have 410/410
last dirge
That's how you optimize it
vagrant crane
if you breathe on them they'll die of maim damage
vagrant crane
breaching cross will make that easier
last dirge
Just dash away and clip them with the dash
Yeah
Breaching cross is excellent here
Hell Jolted plus your Maim could handle enemies. Just be ready to switch enemies/groups quick
Unlike other fists Gilga does have better aoe tbf
All fist dash strikes have aoe but it has more + already wide attack combos
For that reason I've unironically done Mettle Gilga builds.
Not necessarily needing Mettle but like tdash divine strike
Heartbreak strike can be solid too. Hangover too why not. You dont need the duo, you already have a build.
Gilga is already so "bad" you can really do anything with it
ME is bad before you get ME
warm snow
hunter's flare is one of the boons of all time
tight basin
It certainly is a boon of all time
warm snow
(bad)
vagrant crane
Unlike other fists Gilga does have better aoe tbf
proven osprey
Never thought I'd say that for gilga but wow, that was beautiful
last dirge
Gilga haters in tears
last dirge
I dont think I've done a Low Tolerance gilga run
Might not be fast enough to be worth stacking
proper furnace
Going standard dio attack or nasty dash?
tight basin
nasty dash low tolerance lowkey based ngl
last dirge
Was thinking attack for the aoe
Ironically Demeter may be good since she has hybrid boons already
Demeter is just bad to build
Really the easiest attack choice on gilga is athena
But that's contrary to ME
ME is just worse starting off
Aphro just works
Turns the attack's awkward mid base dmg into something solid, helps dash strikes pass breakpoints, counteracts melee range and even Maim.
Normally aphro wouldnt be great on fists but Gilga has higher base dmg
Except dash strike
But really your dash boon matters more
Aphro and Poseidon also work well on special
I personally use special for breakpoints in tart a lot
Poseidon special at least does very good in Asphodel and Styx. They cant damage you if they are across the chamber
Razor shoals etc with maim kills them
gilded wedge
post to another server and copy the link / post to image hosting website
eager echo
i always have trouble against the minotaur and theseus when wielding the rail
any tips to help clear them?
plain river
What in specific?
eager echo
since i have to stand while firing the minotaur always gets me
eager echo
i know
plain river
use the pillars to your full advantage
eager echo
zeus is the best for the attack right
plain river
Try to bait asterius into running into walls or pillars, use pillars to get out of the way for theseus spear throw
It’s the best attack for rail unless you’re playing hestia
Make sure to pick up static discharge and pom it
plain river
How do I send an SS?
celest dew
last dirge
just time your dashes around Asterius's attacks
Get a good rhythm. Dash strikes shoot 2 bullets at once
On top of there being many ways to boost dash strikes, though rail dash strikes arent really the best
They're still going to happen
vagrant crane
Get a good rhythm. Dash strikes shoot 2 bullets at once
they just shoot really fasrt
not at once
last dirge
Oh so it's a 1/2?
last dirge
It's hard to tell what's going on a lot of the time on switch
lucid oar
fr
last dirge
Makes sense
vagrant crane
stop motion simulator
lucid oar
my switch lags for almost a full second after i clear an encounter
plain river
Wdym
last dirge
But yeah go Zeus attack Aphro special and just be careful to dash when it's appropriate and reload when its appropriate
plain river
I can tell what happens every frame
vagrant crane
is there anything other than unarmored witches in this god damn biome
lucid oar
what 1200 attempts does to a mf
plain river
My switch hasn’t opened Hades in forever
last dirge
I just got a new one. Old one had drift from too much resetting in binding of isaac
vagrant crane
i hate you chaos
lucid oar
oh its not the switches fault
plain river
i hate you chaos
vagrant crane
i wanna shoot chaos with a gun
lucid oar
just something that happens to save files with loads of attempts
last dirge
Yeah its memory
last dirge
I had some similar stuff with other games on switch
last dirge
Oh and get piercing fire
vagrant crane
I HATE WITCHES
lucid oar
I HATE WITCHES
vagrant crane
nice c11
lucid oar
bonk
plain river
i wanna shoot chaos with a gun
Place bets on whether or not there will be a revolver in Hades 2
last dirge
A magic missile hand cannon would be neat
warm snow
no more clockets we're getting a shotgun
last dirge
Shotgun gets rocket bomb on release
They thought it would be ok
Me bringing Mettle and Sure Footing into EM4:
wooden axle
can anyone recommend a build for speedrunning 🥹👍 i keep trying to break under 12 mins but i just cannot lmao
wooden axle
bless ty
tight basin
this video alone should be able to get you below 12 minutes pretty easily
ofc takes time and practice, but you shouldn't need much more than this
tidal vault
Hey people! New on this Discord.
Just wanted to ask if someone knows how the Styx chambers work with per-chamber effects like keepsakes and boons.
I know some stuff works for every chamber while others only for the final tunnel dead-end, but I've yet to find a comprehensive list.
last dirge
Basically every keepsake except pom blossom will only tick once per tunnel
As does side hustle which is the only boon like that iirc
Everything else is once per tunnel
So Plume, Butterfly, whatever else.
But it still counts as individual chambers for stuff like Chaos curses and Well items of course.
tidal vault
Thanks!
dusty charm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
I might check in this one
Speed running is what I haven’t tried yet
eager echo
best daedalus upgrades for arthur?
plain river
cobalt wadi
love how double edge gets its own tier
plain river
Double edge is lower then shadow slash on arthur
eager echo
whats shadow slash again
plain river
Backstab damage on standing strikes
vagrant crane
Double edge is lower then shadow slash on arthur
idk i prefer dedge
plain river
I prefer dedge too
dense basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/im...
I have no clue how chopping is a bad hammer
Apart from loosing slight aoe from 1st slash it actually give nice dmg in situational cases
vagrant crane
I have no clue how chopping is a bad hammer
if you accidentally standing strike it wastes a lot of time
dense basin
Not a problem to get 800 - 1000 crits
vagrant crane
of all of the detrimental hammers it's the least detrimental
because if you don't do your rotation wrong it's fine
proper furnace
how much additive you have to get those 800 crits
proper furnace
yeah that makes more sense
dense basin
Heart rend can help too
vagrant crane
you need something like 266 damage non crit
but it's bad anyways
because it's not dedge
and therefore suck
dense basin
I do nova - dash strike - dash strikes in 95-99% success, so splitter doesn't hurt anyway
It's totally different from cursed slash, flurry slash and dash nova
proper furnace
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1073013107477192774/im...
btw whats the hammer at the most right of neutral
vagrant crane
conc
proper furnace
i havent played in months pls give full name
vagrant crane
greater consecration
proper furnace
icon looks nice
proper furnace
or go full busted and make it affect dash strikes
dense basin
So anyway, my point is that world splitter why it doesn't benefit dash-strike combo, it doesn't block it or anything, therefore it's not actively negative 🙂
It's neutral IMO
vagrant crane
So anyway, my point is that world splitter why it doesn't benefit dash-strike co...
everybody slips up though
dense basin
Slips up?
dense basin
Right? There's always 1% chance for chop
I remember even successful 32-heat run with splitter and without double edge
plain river
and?
just because it’s successful doesn’t mean it isn’t a negatively affecting hammer
and also doesn’t mean it’s good
it negatively affect you because it messes up optimal dps rotation and also just locks you into the animation
dense basin
Could be quicker, true
It's just an option when there are other bad choices to choose and you can't avoid it
I'll put it in that way
plain river
Yes
That’s why its the left most
more left = better
in the tier
it’s not just organised at random
more right = worse within that tier
dense basin
I was never familiar with tier lists where better part of a rank is on the left
plain river
I have been
dense basin
Usually A is A, B is B etc
plain river
A is A but some A > other A
so A > other A goes left most
because people read left to right
dense basin
Can always make A+, C- etc ranks
plain river
Nah
dense basin
But I get it where it comes from 🙂
plain river
Granted I should’ve prefaced it by saying that it’s left to right in terms of viability within tiers
I was fairly certain that it was a common thing
But yeah take a gander at the list again with that in mind
I’ll photoshop the names onto the icons in an hour or so
tight basin
I was fairly certain that it was a common thing
Depends a lot of the time
Some just throw it in there without regard to order
You generally have to state if the order matters for tier lists
plain river
Will crop it later
Google drawing is so useful
Noticed that people tend to get thrown off by the lack of hammer names
warm snow
thers just so many icons in this game
plain river
I got most things down at this point
I think I could name most boons/hammers aside from artemis tier 2’s from just the icon
tight basin
Idrk most hammer icons lol
I only know cshot and explosive return
And a chunk of rail ones
plain river
I mean I almost guaranteed have sword, bow, and rail down
possibly shield
Probably not fists
possibly spear
tight basin
Cringe
lucid oar
Ummm dashing whallop???
twin cloak
um pulv blow???
plain river
Um dread flight?
dense basin
I wonder - if we take from all weapons the best hammer upgrade for them, which one is the best?
vagrant crane
I wonder - if we take from all weapons the best hammer upgrade for them, which o...
cshot
dense basin
That was easy 🙂
tight basin
Unironically yeah lmao
vagrant crane
if it's 2 then clockets
tight basin
The only other contender would be like rocket bomb probably
vagrant crane
as a single hammer hazard is better
vagrant crane
rocket has chance of clocket
tight basin
Hazard has none
vagrant crane
and is faster
but hazard has 3x the damage and huge aoe
and if you keep up your special the speed is less relevant after a rotation
dense basin
Dedge is also high on the list
Not exactly sure what is the best for fist, bow and spear
vagrant crane
expl upper for fists
breaching cross:
warm snow
i heard
last dirge
How much dmg does hazard do again? It works on Eris right?
last dirge
Like it obviously works but is it good
last dirge
Yeah thats what I thought
vagrant crane
same way it's not worth dashing to avoid td damage
last dirge
I see the appeal on Hestia though
vagrant crane
you want to focus on damage
and not taking hits
yeah
it's the best high heat hammer for hestia
the room clear is so nice
ivory turtle
Question
Is rare Arty Special a good first take if you have exploding launcher on Hades aspect? I was looking for arty attack but now I'm not sure haha
Y'know what I'm gonna do it
tight basin
It's fine afaik
heady kindle
Say I want to do EM4 with a melee weapon with on-hit build (not Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity or similar nonsense). What's the strat? Low heat EM4, shield, fists, spear, sword?
tight basin
charged shot hammer
flood flare start (all cast boons turn into flares on beowulf)
artemis core (preferably attack)
get mirage shot duo (bugged to deal 100% damage instead of 30%)
win lol
try not to open other duos
eager echo
flood flare is poseidon?
tight basin
yes
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
Say I want to do EM4 with a melee weapon with on-hit build (not Hunting Blades o...
shield
zag shield: aphrodite attack with cshot spam. can go for smoldering air with zeus/dio call. if dio call, make sure to pick up a zeus core
zeus: thunder flourish + static discharge. pour poms into static discharge. explosive return is best hammer, but can also take cshot and/or sudden rush. can also go with the smair strategy, take aphrodite atk and zeus/dio call if you want
beowulf: poseidon cast -> artemis attack (or any core that unlocks the duo) -> mirage shot (bugged to deal 100% instead of 30% damage). cshot hammer preferred, sudden rush is a good cope. if you get cshot first, wouldn't take sudden as 2nd hammer. if sudden 1st hammer, take cshot 2nd hammer
technically cshot makes the weapon ranged tho lol
if you want to avoid that gimmick, would recommend the zeus shield strat
or just beo
beo without cshot or sudden is a bit sad/slow, but it's still a top tier aspect, esp for em4
heady kindle
Thanks a lot, will go through it
last dirge
You can still do cshot in melee range
The charge doesnt matter for dmg and you'll add in dash strike and attack damage.
Though if you get Mark you may not want that
Cshot working Iike a bow is amazing for that reason
heady kindle
what does cshot refer to? shield throw?
heady kindle
shield
zag shield: aphrodite attack with cshot spam. can go for smoldering air w...
oh, charged shot
heady kindle
shield
zag shield: aphrodite attack with cshot spam. can go for smoldering air w...
isn't the zeus shield strat you described still mostly ranged? either using your ranged shield special or charged shot, basically a ranged option as well?
valid dagger
isn't the zeus shield strat you described still mostly ranged? either using your...
Proper Zeus Shield technique has you staying close to your shield and making use of dash strikes and standing strikes so although most of your damage is through your Special which is ranged, you’ll play it aggressively enough to keep yourself in melee range most of the times. It is a shield afterall, which makes it very safe when used well.
heady kindle
thanks
plain river
Use the knockback to group enemies together into your shield
Damaging everything at once is more efficient timewise
tender latch
You'll still want to use its range at some times, but generally you're playing with it on you, so you can think of the secondary as a free area of damage in an area around you
Zag out here with the kill aura
warm snow
merciful end on zeus is so fun
ivory turtle
Turns out that exploding skewer, pressure points, epic hunters mark and arty special is nutso
If I understand correctly, once you get one crit you get guaranteed crits on every enemy with hunters mark
It's so stupid and I love it
tight basin
If I understand correctly, once you get one crit you get guaranteed crits on eve...
not guaranteed unless you got a lot of poms, but still a good boosted chance
ivory turtle
I got like 4 poms on hunters and epic pressure points
It was bonkers lol
Also I completely forgot I did tight deadline this run and had like 40 seconds to beat furies, but Im running Beo and somehow managed to get mirage shot at Charon and eked it out just barely
proper furnace
You dont die in an instant when tight deadline runs out
You start losing 5 hp/second
ivory turtle
oH
ivory turtle
Ok,,, please correct me if I'm wrong, but why does Guan Yu just feel like they took Arthur and thought "what if we took every single good thing about this aspect and made it a drawback"?
vagrant crane
guan yu is actually like they took arthur and thought "what if we made this aspect half-decent instead of utter garbage?"
plain river
what if we took spear special and made it better
warm snow
guan yu is if they took zeus and went "make it worse"
vagrant crane
gy does ME a lot better
tidal vault
Situations when Hermes attack speed boons become insta-picks?
I usually gravitate towards other perks first, just wondering if they are noticeable on certain weapons/setups.
tight basin
swift strike is hardly ever taken lol
basically every build dash strikes, and swift strike doesn't affect those
swift flourish can be considered for rails and chiron and maybe sword, but there's generally better picks
proper furnace
Charged skewer is fu with S.flourish but def not insta pick
tidal vault
Thought about as such.
Thanks for the answers.
plain river
Situations when Hermes attack speed boons become insta-picks?
I usually gravitat...
Never unless you’re doing a funny meme flurry slash run
vagrant crane
it's a thing on flurry hera if you get stuffed and no QR/sprint
last dirge
I should get Hades on PC eventually so I can make minotaur rush and sudden rush work on Beo
I want to see how an attack focused build works. No cast boon.
Just using cast for the dragon rush
Should basically play like explosive shot bow but much better
vagrant crane
and with limited ammo that you need to pick up
last dirge
Cause you still would take cshot
last dirge
You can anvil for all 3 but fair
I more meant remove the restrictions from those hammers
Then just do a normal run and manipulate the anvil
warm snow
SHACKLE BEO
last dirge
You could shackle lol
I want deadly strike still
Maybe just PP and Mark
It would also kinda be boonless
So may as well pom PP like 20 times
eager echo
is the curse of drowning duo boon actively negative for beowulf?
last dirge
Eh its awkward yes
I think curse of drowning is good. Most dont.
Just use it on Achilles or maybe Talos
open jungle
can anyone suggest the “easiest” 32 heat settings?
i got pretty far using the rail and fists i made to him once but lost the fight
plain river
yes
Well
I believe mine aren’t the easiest but they are easier then a ton of other pacts
Also I take that back I think this is probably actually the easiest 32 pact relooking at it
open jungle
how?!? with 100% reduction on healing
did u just not take any hits at all?
i tried doing the five minutes one but i never make it
i barely make it aith the 7 minutes i usually do good aith 9 minutes to
tho
plain river
did u just not take any hits at all?
Stubborn Defiance
Is the healing
It’s also standard for everything 32 heat and above
open jungle
jeez im never gonna get skellys final trophy lmao
plain river
i tried doing the five minutes one but i never make it
You might want to work on that
I mean
Building up your speed
And building up your ability to use sd + lc4
And you’ll be set
You’ll probably want to touch up your builds knowledge and mechanical skill
drowsy saddle
jeez im never gonna get skellys final trophy lmao
what aspect are you using
open jungle
my go to has been lucifer rail . thunder strike, frost flourish, trippy cast, and athena dash. which if i get everything i want gives me scintillating feast and ive wine (preferably with rapid cast) ands stubborn defiance. that’s the one and only time i got to hades
open jungle
my only time on 32 heat
drowsy saddle
if you like using luci, then go ahead and keep using it. if your trouble is working with deadline, replace TD3 with TD2, DC2, and some HL or CF even though it's suboptimal
open jungle
i’ve completed and platniumed the game im just trying to get the skelly thing
drowsy saddle
your build is also incredibly suboptimal which is the cause of some problems
open jungle
ok
plain river
Certainly one of the builds that’s ever been built
Throwing trippy shot in there is just making it worse tbh
drowsy saddle
focus on the attack and stack poms on Static Discharge
zeus atk good
athena dash good
plain river
get big +% on the luci flourish
open jungle
why? ice wine and scintillating fest is really fun together?
plain river
Look for triple bomb
drowsy saddle
use Artemis or Aphrodite on the special
plain river
why? ice wine and scintillating fest is really fun together?
Keyword fun
drowsy saddle
why? ice wine and scintillating fest is really fun together?
you have enough AOE with your special + atk
no point investing 2 duos into it too
try to get Zeus/Dio call, and use Smoldering Air and Billowing Strength to boost your damage
plain river
Ideally you’re only using trippy shot if it’s on a castpect to get the damage boost, also ice wine and scillanting feast are both diluting your pool for other duos and aren’t necessarily good
drowsy saddle
with Lightning Strike + Static Discharge you have consistent damage, assuming you pom Discharge a lot
plain river
Lucifer typically goes with zeus attack, any +% special other then pos (preferably aphrodite so you can build into smair) and tidal or divine dash so you can explode your bombs the second they touch down
grab static discharge and pom it to Hell Hades and back
drowsy saddle
i'd use divine dash since it helps you not take damage
and not taking damage is good
plain river
look for triple bomb when you pick up hammers
open jungle
i usually manage to melt the bosses with the ice wine electric feast combo tho? espically when i have decay active.
open jungle
ok
drowsy saddle
but focus on Static Discharge for consistency
open jungle
ok
plain river
It would melt better on an aspect that actually cares about the casts
open jungle
i usually run persephones keepsake abnd switch to hades aid at the last act
drowsy saddle
you don't want dem usually so just stick with zeus
drowsy saddle
i usually run persephones keepsake abnd switch to hades aid at the last act
don't do that lmao
open jungle
ok
drowsy saddle
start off with zeus to get lightning strike
then in aspho swap to the god of the boon you want next, like Aphro for Smoldering Air
before Ely, either use a defensive keepsake like Tooth if you're worried about EM3 heroes or use Bone Hourglass
(since you can carry it into the pre-Styx well)
Then take Acorn so you don't die
plain river
typically god keepsake -> different god keepsake -> acorn or hourglass (or something else dependent on situation) -> acorn or sigil
That’s for playing in general
Mom pom isn’t doing much over the courze of the run it’s just opportunity cost outside of meme runs where you try to pom the Hell Hades out of one specific boon
drowsy saddle
im a big fan of mom pom unfortunately its just bad
bright turret
what's a good (preferably non ME) achilles build?
vagrant crane
hunting blades
bright turret
is that the ares/arty duo?
stoic cove
Just did an aphro and ares doom build on rama aspect bow
I got relentless volley and the highest number i saw was 1307
That was very gun
tight basin
it's pretty difficult to have a barebones build going into styx such that every mom pom level is actually useful
most of the time you do get some junk and chances are poms are gonna land on it
last dirge
Fair
Still doesnt mean its objectively bad
It's like butterfly. It's as good as you make it.
Lots of the high heat builds I see in victory chat are low boon anyway
Not even "high heat", just progressing past low heat even
Like I agree if you dont need acorn for a serious run, then the poms from blossom dont matter because your build is already good enough.
I dont think that really makes it a bad keepsake though.
Keepsakes are sometimes hard to evaluate since the Olypian ones usually work a specific way and then are kinda bad, then some are very specific like Purse.
You could need the money. You could not.
I've been bringing it to Styx which has been a waste often, since I end up with more obols at the end than it gives sometimes.
Bringing it at the start can be very strong but that makes building harder.
proper furnace
Purse is normally used by aspho
Kinda like "i got everything and i need money for poms/well asap"
still vortex
Had a run with Zeus shield, but the real star of the show was Artemis/Zeus duo with artemis legendary for five casts. When those things popped out, they were a death trap to everything nearby. It was pretty fun.
warm snow
exit wounds too?
still vortex
exit wounds too?
No, but quick reload
proper furnace
whats exit wounds doing in that build anyways lol
you dont wanna lodge your casts with rod
or at least not all
dense basin
Lol this build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FPOIn1cwY
last dirge
Exit wounds can do funny damage in some specific Poseidon builds ig
Like pressure points and mark and stuff, lots of casts, dislodging them all.
gilded wedge
yeah but with lighting rod it's totally antisynergistic lol
last dirge
True
You cant go for both
You arguably could if you could somehow cast and dislodge faster than a bolt takes to refresh
Which is impossible
I think that would make the bolts come down slightly faster
Because you're constantly refreshing the source of the bolts, which should just override the bolt refresh time effectively.
proper furnace
Exit wounds with luck does something in bosses
Cuz your casts tend to just kill enemies
hearty flare
How do I make a potent fists build? Which aspect + boons?
hearty flare
asthma on special and dash
the inablity to breathe will probably spice up the difficulty ngl
but thanks, read about this combo, sounds nasty
tight basin
lmao it is
do keep in mind that the dash doesn't open the duo
only the special will
also look for impending doom
breaching cross hammer
+dashes or hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes
hearty flare
yeah i found this real nice complete guide on this build you guys are talking about
but im afraid, im not gonna get lucky, since i probably used up all my luck on my previous runs where they were pretty much perfect lol
tight basin
yeah ME is a pretty rng heavy build
another option is zap fists
zeus attack, look for static discharge and every other zeus supporting boon
aphrodite speical -> zeus/dio call -> smoldering air duo (zeus + aphro)
hearty flare
yeah that was my idea at first aswell, but i zapped enough enemies on my gun runs already and so i wanted something fresh
mint oracle
Hey all! looking for some fun builds to try out. I have all weapons, trinkets, and companions available. Down for anything, feel free to hit me with your craziest or most fun builds you've tried.
tight basin
there's a build guide pinned here if you haven't looked through that
tight basin
yeah that was my idea at first aswell, but i zapped enough enemies on my gun run...
could do dio atk -> aphro special + dash -> low tolerance
it's a lot less strong tho
hearty flare
there's a build guide pinned here if you haven't looked through that
that was precisely the guide i found lol
tight basin
and then slap zeus call on it for smair lol
hearty flare
but maybe, im gonna do a zeus run sometime
hearty flare
just be ready to not get what you want lol
yeah im afraid thats gonna be pretty likely to happen
tight basin
if you dont get athena in tartarus, it's gonna be a lot more difficult lol
hearty flare
can i use the same god's keepsake in the same run twice?
warm snow
Hey all! looking for some fun builds to try out. I have all weapons, trinkets, a...
may as well do maxed butterfly + HESTIA
tight basin
if you dont get her in tart, then in aspho your best hope is gonna be like first chamber athena -> midshop ares/athena for ME -> athena dash in endshop
hearty flare
so can i force an athena boon in both 2nd area and 3rd area?
warm snow
can i use the same god's keepsake in the same run twice?
yes but it doesn't do anything unfortunately
tight basin
can i use the same god's keepsake in the same run twice?
nope
warm snow
so basically nope
tight basin
you can only force a god to appear once
hearty flare
ah, that sucks
well, i guess i will either get the money pouch or force an artemis boon then
tight basin
i wouldn't force artemis unless you already have the duo
hearty flare
best girl artemis seems to go with literally any build in my experience
plain river
She doesn’t
tight basin
because if you take true shot from her, you'll open deadly reversal
and it is a good duo on top of ME, but you'd rather have ME first
warm snow
because if you take true shot from her, you'll open deadly reversal
which isn't bad for ME
hearty flare
i want the crit chance on every dmg
plain river
pp isn’t good
hearty flare
She doesn’t
explain
plain river
There are some builds where she just isn’t helpful
warm snow
FULLY LOADED
plain river
And just opens duo boons you don’t need
ie hangover builds
She’s ok on ME but only after you have ME because otherwise she gets in the way of your ME odds
plain river
then there are other builds where you’d just prefer other supporting gods over her
warm snow
is zag or nem better with ME
proper furnace
Nem is a better ME aspect cuz you get dmg before ME comes online with the crit boost/if you get dedge
hearty flare
if I already have the boon of a god, i can still force them via keepsake, right?
warm snow
and dash-strike can still crit?
hearty flare
never did that, so i was wondering how that works
hearty flare
good
plain river
is zag or nem better with ME
Nem is better unless you have a massive amount of movespeed and rd to multiply by 15%
plain river
and dash-strike can still crit?
Yes