h1-builds-and-combat

[vagrant crane]

shouldnt be too awful

probably sucks less when you're not speedrunning

[ivory turtle]

yeah I'm playing very casually lol

[vagrant crane]

but yeah grasp is big

[ivory turtle]

oooh pom or heart??

(or zeus but I don't want to unlock that duo quite yet)

[cunning urchin]

Don't want to unlock it quite yet?

[ivory turtle]

Like I don't have parting shot yet

[vagrant crane]

yeah u dont want to open it

[ivory turtle]

Ok ty

[vagrant crane]

dio call mirage shot

but pom

pom always for hera

pom number big

unless you feel you need heart for security

[ivory turtle]

pfsfshjsfff

I'mma go pom

[cunning urchin]

Security?

Fear is for the weak.

[ivory turtle]

well I am officially dumb

I was over lava when I had a scratch at my nose... so I tried pausing using the minus button instead of the plus button

that went so well

died to lernie

:((((

[vagrant crane]

rip

[ivory turtle]

tis ok tho!! that was a super fun build loll

[cunning urchin]

You died to scratching your nose.

[cunning urchin]

It's good that at least Tis is okay.

[plain river]

Has similiar energy to “resetting” sd after using sd on lernie

[ivory turtle]

I'VE DONE THAT LOLLLLL

[vagrant crane]

https://tenor.com/view/haelian-hades-eggs-mistake-gif-19288335

[ivory turtle]

JLSDKFJKSDF such a mood

and zag laughed at me

what a punk

k let's see what weapon we gonna play now

oOoOoOoOo it's fists

I love playing fists

[vagrant crane]

ME time

[ivory turtle]

I could go for merciful end on demeter, but if y'all have any funky builds with fists I'm all ears lol

[vagrant crane]

i mean

what is there on fists

zap fists

drunk fists

ME

or

you could do zagplume ig

[ivory turtle]

OH MY GOSH i just realized that ME refers to merciful end

[vagrant crane]

oh

[ivory turtle]

I thought you were just referring to yourself

[vagrant crane]

funnish build

not exactly good

but you can do yoyo fists

[ivory turtle]

OOOH poseidon on special right??

[vagrant crane]

yeah with talos

[ivory turtle]

I do like that

It's stupid and definitely jank but I like it

then throw zeus on attack and go for sea storm right?

[vagrant crane]

uh

sure

i honestly have no idea how it works

[ivory turtle]

let's see how this goes down lol

oooh is there a best companion? I've liked skelly most so far personally

[vagrant crane]

meg

[plain river]

Meg

[vagrant crane]

high heat gets weird

but mostly just meg

[ivory turtle]

ooooh

[plain river]

antos and dusa have niche for high heat, and shady has niche for meme runs

[vagrant crane]

doesnt than also get used in high heat

it's very helpful to learn meg lineups

[plain river]

Takes too long

For not enough damage

[vagrant crane]

ignore that i still only know 3 witch meg

[plain river]

I think

I never learned witch line-ups

[vagrant crane]

3 witch at least is super easy

[plain river]

Mainly because I used antos because he’s so cute

[ivory turtle]

Ok I'm so bad at using meg... what rooms do you summon in anyway? Mostly just boss rooms?

[vagrant crane]

you summon in miniboss rooms, heroes, and dad

heroes is the big one because theres an excruciatingly easy setup to immediately hit both of them

[ivory turtle]

gotcha

[vagrant crane]

and then dad

[ivory turtle]

because of course

[vagrant crane]

if you have 1 meg in styx you're better off saving it for dad

[cunning urchin]

Antos in speedruns?

[vagrant crane]

itll hit for 3k on single target right

i think that would instantly clear the tart minibosses

idk though

[plain river]

Wait am I crazy

I am crazy

Skelly isn’t high heat

Antos is

[cunning urchin]

lol

We used to use Skelly in high heat in early access because you could only summon Skelly and Bouldy vs dad.

[solar siren]

I wanna try a blizzard shot build, what’s a good cast weapon for it?

[plain river]

Talos

[vagrant crane]

real

[solar siren]

oh god not Talos

[plain river]

Unironically though

it lets you pull enemies back into the blizzard

[solar siren]

oh really? damn

I’ll work on that later though I still have to upgrade Zag Bow

[plain river]

I wouldn’t go out of my way to upgrade talos

It’s just a nice interaction

Otherwise achilles is huge bonus damage on your cast

[olive zinc]

anyone know some good builds i can try on beowolf

or a build incorporating Artemis for any of the aspect

[vagrant crane]

pull a vorime and go hunter flare

[delicate hatch]

hunting blades achilles

[cunning urchin]

Flood Flare > Deadly Strike > Mirage Shot

[languid hornet]

@vagrant crane My reasoning was that filling up core slots would be better to get mirage shot afterwards and I like artemis call anyway

[vagrant crane]

arty call not superb

needs full call to hit for a damage number

oh yeah also dad call

[languid hornet]

Oh tbh I completely forgot about the dad call

[tight basin]

Fill it with gods that won't open other duos

That's the big thing

[vagrant crane]

deadly reversal

[languid hornet]

Mh fair point, I'll keep it in mind next time

[vagrant crane]

unshakable mettle

[tight basin]

Well youd need arty special

But yeah mettle

[vagrant crane]

oh is that one of those

[tight basin]

Reversal is atk or special from athena

[solar siren]

what’s everyone’s favorite cast weapon and cast build?

[delicate hatch]

achilles hunting blades

[torn rune]

Beowulf flood flare (im basic)

[olive zinc]

i tried fist with poseodon and ares cast duo build last game it was fun

[soft shoal]

Hera crush shot

[cobalt moat]

Tempest Strike + Second Wave + Twin Shot = enemies get knocked back 4 times per attack?

[tight basin]

i think only twice since knockback doesnt stack

since the arrows are hitting at the same time, it'll only count as 1 i think

we'll just ignore the fact that tempest strike on bow is bad tho

[cobalt moat]

hmmm, it actually looked like it was knocking back 3 times, but the knockbacks were chained! I'm hitting those big fat chariots in Elysium and it's knocking them back like 10 feet, slamming them into a wall, knocking them sideways 10 more feet, slamming them into another wall, and then knocking them back 10 more feet into a third wall slam. All from one attack. It's actually working pretty well. 🙂

I wonder if we could get even more this way with a point blank triple shot?

[tight basin]

Did you have breaking wave? The bounce off the wall might've been because of that

[cobalt moat]

yeah

[tight basin]

Yeah the bouncing off the wall is breaking wave

[cobalt moat]

can breaking wave slam an enemy into another wall and trigger itself again?

[tight basin]

Yep

[cobalt moat]

I'm pretty sure I just saw this satyr bounce 5 times, lol

wrekt

[tight basin]

Yeah breaking wave is great in Styx because of that

[cobalt moat]

armored with +30% hp from heat and he still died in one hit from that

[tight basin]

It's why a lot of Speedrun builds want tidal dash and breaking wave

The reason why tempest strike isn't good at all is because most of the time, the knockback is gonna hurt you more than it's gonna help. It's fine on tidal dash because you're pushing enemies into midrange, which is where most weapons play at. It has a low % modifier so even tho you're getting good wall slams and damage because of breaking wave, it's gonna be abysmal boss damage

Or general damage when you don't wall slam them

[cobalt moat]

even with wave pounding?

[tight basin]

Pos has like a idk 50% modifier at epic? Epic wave pounding is 40% only for bosses

Aphrodite atk at epic is 90-100%

And it's constant for every enemy and boss

[cobalt moat]

but it's not like you always have that option. I've had a couple runs where I make it all the way to styx without a primary attack because all I can get are status effect attacks on slow weapons or visa versa

[tight basin]

Did you start the run with a god keepsake

Because considering how god boons are offered, it's more unlikely to not end up with an attack

You have a 1/4 chance of not getting an atk boon as your first boon

[cobalt moat]

ah I see, no, I usually just keep the pom every 3 levels one until I get to Styx. If my build sucks at that point then I swap it out for the acorn to improve my chances in the boss fight, otherwise I farm all the doors to get maximum return on the pom upgrades (I don't care about speed).

[tight basin]

Yeah so not using god keepsakes is shooting yourself in the foot in regards to making a build lol

[cobalt moat]

do you usually take the attack boon at first if it rolls normal?

[tight basin]

Depends on the aspect

like hestia starts with tidal dash (for speedruns)

beowulf starts with cast, zeus starts with special

[vagrant crane]

pos atk is literaly the only attack you wont take even at epic on hestia

arty is situational

you can take it if you have like an epic lunge already

but pos damage is abysmal

[tight basin]

Take it in tart right before meg and then sell it afterwards to use shackle lol

The only niche use case

If pos doesn't give anything you want at that moment

[vagrant crane]

id rather not have the 1/4 chance it doesnt pop up in pool

its just so bad

epic pos atk is common aph atk

[tight basin]

Why 1/4

Are you picking up 4 boons in tart?

[vagrant crane]

if you habe 4 boon

[tight basin]

Oh fair enough then

[vagrant crane]

youll get like

tdash

another poseidon boon

some random god on the miniboss door

and then ares

ares manages to find his way into every single run

battle rage is nice but everything else sucks

[tight basin]

If I had 2 boons and pos was in endshop and the 3 options all sucked I'd take tempest strike lol

[vagrant crane]

ig

why hunter flare no damage

[tight basin]

That's artys whole idea

Low damage but can crit

[vagrant crane]

qhy hunter flare no crit chance

[tight basin]

Lmao good question

[vagrant crane]

i fee like base damage should lower but crit bigger

bc like

you could have 0.000001% chance to crit for a quintillion damage but it would still suck

[tight basin]

Isn't base damage like 80

[vagrant crane]

idek

[tight basin]

Oh it's 60

[vagrant crane]

LMFAO

[cobalt moat]

I don't really get why Artemis is so popular. Even factoring in the crits she does less damage than most others: (0.15 chance * 300% damage * 1.35) + (0.85 chance * 100% normal damage * 1.35) = 75.5% extra damage.

and you don't get status effects from her either

[vagrant crane]

uh

so like

first off

marked

exists

and srcond off arty has loads of t2 boons

some of them are clean kill

but some pf them are marked

[tight basin]

Zag bow and nemesis both have a natural crit chance, so stacking the chance higher make them a lot stronger

Beowulf uses deadly strike to open up mirage shot, and the bulk of the damage is coming from the casts. If you crit, it's a nice bonus ofc but it's not that big of a deal

Although a crit on a loaded cshot on beo is busted

[vagrant crane]

is rush damage additive w cshot

[tight basin]

Wdym

Dragon rush doesn't affect the flare

Oh wait

Yeah it's additive

I misread lol

So it's like +100% of base 80

[vagrant crane]

cracked

does beo work as not castspect

its just worse zagshield right

[tight basin]

It's slower since you can't spam cshot

[vagrant crane]

you cant?

[tight basin]

You have to dash strike into it to set up the charge faster

And the normal atk is a lot slower than normal shield

Zag shield can spam standing cshots

Beo can't

[vagrant crane]

can you get pulv blow

[tight basin]

Yeah

Makes standing cshots take a bit longer tho lol

Straight up doubling your atk damage is nice at least

[valid dagger]

You’re rarely ever using standing attacks on Beo

[tight basin]

ayo fr?

<@&456908176877551658>

may or may not be a scam lmao

[green birch]

Thanks! Definitely a scam

[ivory turtle]

wait what's the scam lol

[tight basin]

there was a discord nitro link

[solar siren]

Stygian or Infernal Soul for a Blizzard Shot Talos build?

[tight basin]

Infernal

[solar siren]

Alright

Besides Blizzard Shot as the core, are there any other recommended boons for the build?

like Sea Storm? or does the cast not really trigger any lighting effects

[plain river]

The cast would trigger lightning effects

[solar siren]

Oh

so I think I’ll go with Artemis Atk for mirage, Demeter for blizzard shot, Poseidon cast and then Zeus dash for sea storm

how does that sound

[vagrant crane]

doenst that open like

rod

maybe cold fusion

[solar siren]

oh yeah it does

uhh

at-least cold fusion would be a good option

definitely not Rod

[vagrant crane]

cold fusion not that good if you have dash

since you're always reapplying the jolted

[solar siren]

oh yeah

hmmm

should I just not take Zeus entirely? or just pray that I can be lucky and get Sea Storm only

[vagrant crane]

well

if you don't take static discharge

it's fine

that's just a really good supporting boon for zeus

[cunning urchin]

Stygian Soul is better for Blizzard Shot (but relies on finding Grasp from Master Chaos). Infernal Soul is better for Flood Shot.

[tight basin]

Blizzard shot doesn't knockback I'm pretty sure so sea storm is pointless

[cunning urchin]

It does though.

[tight basin]

Huh

Wack I don't remember it knocking back

[cunning urchin]

That's like the whole point of using Talos to pull enemies back into it.

So re Stygian vs Infernal, there's no definite answer really. Stygian Soul has higher potential in the build but relies heavily on finding Grasp because it's just gonna be a sad run without extra ammo.

[cunning urchin]

That sounds way too optimistic. Focus on Blizzard Shot + Grasp + Shot first and foremost. And also any other boons from Poseidon and Lady Demeter that add a lot of value like Snow Burst, Ravenous Will, Killing Freeze...

Mirage Shot or Sea Storm can be a secondary focus.

[vagrant crane]

snow burst <3

[solar siren]

Just completed a Blizzard Shot run and

why does it deal so much damage? the amount of damage is actually just disgusting why does nobody talk about this more

[tight basin]

out of the castpects, there's just better stuff to use

castpects mainly being hera, beowulf, and achilles

also beo cant even get it lol

that just leaves talos and pos sword, and blizzard shot is a thing you can use on talos, but it's just that ME is stronger

and then when you start climbing heat to the point where duos are unreliable to get, you dont really shoot for it

and pos sword, i guess you could but also the knockback on blizzard shot might make things difficult for general room clearance

[cunning urchin]

You just found out it has knockback and now you're calling it maybe bad for room clear because of it.

It's good for room clear. The only problem that Blizzard Shot has is that Hunting Blades and Crystal Clarity exist, basically.

Same reason you don't see Ice Wine builds very much.

[cobalt moat]

knockback can be nice actually. If you have to move to hit stuff then that means you're also dodging between each attack. Having to stand still to attack is when you get hit

[tight basin]

i mean certain knockback stuff is fine, like tidal dash or sometimes flood shot

i assumed blizzard shot knockback would be more harmful

considering that talos uses it lol

[cunning urchin]

Assumptions, assumptions.

[proven osprey]

Ice Wine best duo

[solar siren]

Ice Wine + Scintillating is fun on Achilles

the ice wine flare though

[fervent shore]

Bit of a dumb question but isnt it worth taking a free room most of the time over a shop? Ive always taken shop rooms brainlessly, but is it better to just go in the free room and not spend that money?

[cunning urchin]

Depends on your goals.

[vagrant crane]

free rooms r fastr

because timer doesnt go

but

aspho and ely free room is just better

unless weird build

in tart if i have enough for a boon that i wnat i might take shop over sisyphus

[cunning urchin]

You don't necessarily benefit a lot from Patroclus.

Like Eris for example.

[vagrant crane]

weird build

[cunning urchin]

Eris isn't a weird build lol.

[vagrant crane]

although 23 damage bullets nice

[cunning urchin]

There's only so much value in saving money anyway. You usually wanna aim to spend nearly all of your money as you're leaving Elysium.

Unless you're saving for the Titan Blood/Diamond in Styx shop.

[fervent shore]

Interesting

[vagrant crane]

the solution is make patty buff global

but also patty is great if u need security

if you get in later ely it ensures you're going into heroes with decent health or can give you dds back, both very helpful for battling against the blue man group

eurydice is just nice

[cunning urchin]

Sure. But you're not necessarily worried about health or DDs with an aspect like Eris by then, so shop can be more valuable.

Eurydice pretty much always top priority.

[vagrant crane]

if hermes actually bothers giving you rd you'll make sure it's blue

[cunning urchin]

Patroclus top priority in IGT and high heat.

[vagrant crane]

oh yeah patty'd be slower rta right

necessary menu

and i think bigger chamber

[cunning urchin]

I think the DPS on some aspects will still make up for it, but yeah. Shop you can just run through.

[soft shoal]

I think by free room they mean the one before the bosses

[plain river]

No they mean shops and chaos rooms and story rooms

Basically any room that doesn’t take much time

[tight basin]

if it's like story/chaos or midshop, then it depends

if it's the ones right before the boss, then you just take whatever you need that's free

if what you want isn't offered, just take the shop and hope you find something you need

[soft shoal]

Are you talking about the rooms just before the bosses? Or rooms like chaos/quests?

[vagrant crane]

chaos W

[fervent shore]

I meant rooms before bosses. Though i looked it up and free room means quest rooms

[tight basin]

In that case the it depends on what you need

If the end rooms offer a shop vs say a heart but you need an Artemis boon, taking shop is better to offer a chance at it

If you're broke then there's no point in going to the shop ofc

[soft shoal]

See above

[plain river]

My bad, I figured they were talking game terminology

[charred temple]

Hello, I hope this is the space to talk about combat strategies!

I managed to get Hades down to 1/2 HP on phase 2 last run with no death defiance and only 225 HP, is there an optimal strategy/build with aegis ?

[soft shoal]

Beowulf -> flood flare -> mirage shot

[charred temple]

I shall give that a try thank you! Does “hug your dad to win the game” still work?

[delicate hatch]

if you mean hugging him in laser phase, yes it still works

unless you're playing em4

but i assume you aren't quite at that point in the game yet

[charred temple]

Yes, in the laser phase. I only finished my first escape and working on my second at ~30 attempt

Still haven’t finished main story yet

[cunning urchin]

Compilation of general tips I've written for the Hades fight at one point or another here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit

[charred temple]

Thank you!! Really appreciate the time you took to write this !

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's more I just copy-pasted messages I'd already written lol.

[charred temple]

It’s easier to find!

Honestly , so invested in the lore/story of this game.

[woeful pawn]

Me dodging into skull blasts:

[ivory turtle]

Ayyo y'all, it's me again! Anyone got any fun builds for Arthur sword?

[vagrant crane]

uhhh

divine strike

dio aid

get calculated risk

golf with your opponents projrctiles

[ivory turtle]

And profit lol

imma do it

[vagrant crane]

well

hold on

ok yeah it works

[ivory turtle]

Siiiiiick

Random question: is unshakable mettle ever particularly useful?

Haven't gotten it yet but it seems kinda lame based on the description

[vagrant crane]

no

it is useless

[ivory turtle]

Yeah it seems exceptionally lame

K thanks for the validation lolll

Ooh, double edge, double nova or hoarding slash?

I'm thinking double edge

Esp since Arthur isn't particularly special based

[vagrant crane]

uh

double nova

arthur is the only sword where every attack isn't a dash strike

and double nova is helpful for keeping enemies in your aura

[ivory turtle]

Ohhhh u rite

[vagrant crane]

you can do double edge too

[plain river]

Double edge

[vagrant crane]

the only big hammer is uh

shadow slash

idek anything else significant

[plain river]

Is still a high tier arthur hammer

[vagrant crane]

double edge i think amounts to a 24% damage increase

[plain river]

You get chonky dash strikes and dash strikes are more consistent and less slow then the arthur standing strike combo

[vagrant crane]

actually

nvm

that % is fake

[ivory turtle]

It's 20 for dash

[plain river]

But

[vagrant crane]

arthur is a lot more fun with standing strikes

[plain river]

Shadow slash is still taken over double edge

[plain river]

In your opinion

[vagrant crane]

i mean like

[ivory turtle]

Is hoarding ever even remotely good??

[vagrant crane]

literally the only fun thing about arthur is the 200 damage slice

[plain river]

Only for meme runs

[vagrant crane]

it's soooo slow

[plain river]

Hoarding is good if your 2 other options are negatively affecting hammers

[ivory turtle]

I'm a meme runner lol

[vagrant crane]

dash nova:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079886587606876220/1080335383381942312/image.png

[ivory turtle]

LOLLL ares is my next room

[vagrant crane]

uh

battle rage

[ivory turtle]

Imagine if I get Me

[vagrant crane]

is battle rage actually good on arthur

[ivory turtle]

Worth rerolling?

[vagrant crane]

never reroll ares if he's not part of your core unless you get a list of cores that you don't want to fill with him

you can just take like

urge to kill

or blood frenzy

or something

curse of vengeance isn't bad

[ivory turtle]

Welp got battle rage

In rare too

Heck yeah

[vagrant crane]

cool

funny if you kill an enemy with 2nd swing

[plain river]

something like this but with a sword using hoarding slash: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1065503567785504789/IMG_2793.jpg

also sorry for bad photo quality

[ivory turtle]

Oh shoot should I go for another Athena? I've yarned and am considering betting on getting Dio soon

I guess I could go for exposed

I'll do that

Got it :D

Ugh, quick reload, flurry cast and hyper sprint? Should I reroll?

Or do I take sprint?

[vagrant crane]

hyper sdprint lmfao

best 1st hermes boon

go for RD

[ivory turtle]

Oh shoot xDDD

OH

OH

[vagrant crane]

you can get a +100% damage boost with epic rush delivery

[ivory turtle]

I see

[plain river]

Greatest Reflex

[vagrant crane]

not a real boon

[plain river]

🤨

[vagrant crane]

also hestia brainrot

[tight basin]

jazz has degened hestia speedrunning too much

[plain river]

I’ve just like

[vagrant crane]

i'ved

[plain river]

fully stopped playing Hades at this point

I’ved

I haved

🧠

Not because I don’t like the game I just stopped

[tight basin]

rip 40 heat

[plain river]

ik

I want to go back and do it but I have no drive and am super rusty

[tight basin]

just get the boons

[plain river]

I wish there was a real life work ethic boon

[vagrant crane]

gridn for hestia sub6

[plain river]

Everything went downhill after I got my one and only sub10

[ivory turtle]

That's a big oof

[tight basin]

lmao rip

[ivory turtle]

I love doing meme runs

[plain river]

I hit a wall with 40 heat and just didn’t make progress then I just drifted off from Hades

[vagrant crane]

simply hestia

[tight basin]

tbf part of the issue might be that you're doing dio flourish zeus shield but you want to stick with non-meta lol

[plain river]

tbf tbf even still it’s zeus shield

[tight basin]

that's also true

but your fights are gonna be longer, which means more mistakes

[vagrant crane]

i mean

it took me like 7 hours of grindign to sub7

you just gotta put a few hours in

[tight basin]

sub7 and 40 heat are different things lmao

[ivory turtle]

Oof, piercing wave, cursed slash or greater consecration?

[tight basin]

he's put in dozens of runs

[plain river]

sub7 and 40 heat are different things

[vagrant crane]

consecration

[plain river]

Piercing wave

[vagrant crane]

it's arthur

[plain river]

And?

[vagrant crane]

you attack once per year

[tight basin]

you special less

[vagrant crane]

also

this is a meme run

calculated risk golfing

[plain river]

Still bonus damage

[vagrant crane]

bigger aura is more golf

[plain river]

Oh calc risk golfingg

[ivory turtle]

Oh u rite

[plain river]

Of course you’re taking consec then

[vagrant crane]

but like

idk

what are you using for whatever heat you're doing

[plain river]

I put in more hours into trying to do 40 heat

[vagrant crane]

because whatever it is you simply must do hestia instead

[plain river]

I have

Surprisingly few hestia runs for a shackle main

[vagrant crane]

i did 50 heat first try on hestia

it's like trivial

[plain river]

Go do 64 heat rn

[ivory turtle]

Got the duo finally lolll

[vagrant crane]

dc2 :(((

hestia trivialises everything

literally op aspect

[plain river]

anyways I’m feeling like trying for the first time in a while

Now is not the time for me to get back into Hades but

[vagrant crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4DIM9k_Y_w here is proof that 50 is super easy if you hestia

[plain river]

I’ll see if I can 40 heat using meta zeus

[vagrant crane]

i didnt even do my rotation right

[plain river]

I refuse to use hestia on grounds of you telling me to

[vagrant crane]

you when you can't do 40 heat because no hestia:

[tight basin]

might wanna do like 32 or something before jumping back into 40 lmao

[ivory turtle]

K I've always hated using rail, any tips for it? Lol

[plain river]

True true

[vagrant crane]

uh

shoot the enemies

[tight basin]

i haven't done 40 hestia lol

[vagrant crane]

are you on pc

[ivory turtle]

Also patro or demeter lol

[vagrant crane]

it's literally so easy

[ivory turtle]

Yeah I am

[vagrant crane]

patty every single time

[plain river]

Use ME zagrail

[vagrant crane]

turn off aim at cursor for rail

[tight basin]

doesnt mean i want to do it

[ivory turtle]

Oh I have controller tho loll

[vagrant crane]

have you not wasted 24 minutes of your life on fruitless things before

why not do this one

[tight basin]

because i dont want to play hestia high heat duh

i dont feel a need to

i'd rather do other things

[plain river]

I think the reason you haven’t sub6’ed yet is because you aren’t building ME on hesti

[tight basin]

also true

[vagrant crane]

zap hestia better

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1016875658296688680/unknown.png

[ivory turtle]

I'm guessing cyclops jerky is the best choice?

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[tight basin]

the search function on my discord is broken for some reason so i can't find my previous stuff

[vagrant crane]

also i have like

[plain river]

Discord issue

[vagrant crane]

3 assignments due tonight

[tight basin]

lmao

same

[plain river]

I had the same problem

[tight basin]

pain

[ivory turtle]

I worked for approximately 12 hours today, end me

[tight basin]

i wanted to try and find the 40 pact you were using

[plain river]

I don’t have assignments due but I have lesson plans to write

[vagrant crane]

hl5 lc4 js1 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3 pl

[ivory turtle]

AYO do you teach?

[plain river]

Swimming lessons

[ivory turtle]

Noiiiice

[tight basin]

hard mode at 40 is largely unnecessary

[vagrant crane]

easier than anything else

[tight basin]

cp1 and js1 aren't even needed lmao

just take ap1

[plain river]

I’m sure I have it still loaded

[tight basin]

oh true lmao

[vagrant crane]

why would you take ap1 at 40

that sounds awful

[tight basin]

because not that many builds actually rely on a duo to beat

dio flourish zeus doesn't need duos

[vagrant crane]

i mean like

low tolerance

but also like

divine dash

[tight basin]

you dont need either of those

[ivory turtle]

AYYYO I GOT RUSH DELIVERYYYYY

[vagrant crane]

divine dash though

[ivory turtle]

FIRST TIME

[vagrant crane]

big win

[tight basin]

still dont need it

[ivory turtle]

Just regular rarity but I'll take it

[tight basin]

it's helpful but you dont need it

also it's not like it's impossible to get duos through ap1

low tolerance and curse of nausea aren't necessary for a hangover build, they're just super nice

[vagrant crane]

bruh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1080330446174433320/image.png

[tight basin]

making normal encounters and boss fights more difficult with cp1 and js1 are largely unnecessary

[tight basin]

skill issue

[vagrant crane]

just do the damage imo

[tight basin]

yeah who would've thunk

it's just a time killer

ap1 is honestly less impactful unless you're specifically hunting for a duo through it

[vagrant crane]

not if you meet breakpoints

[plain river]

Tonight is not the night I don’t think

[vagrant crane]

40 heat hc hestia??

[plain river]

?

[vagrant crane]

ddash is immediate victory

[plain river]

L

[tight basin]

it's drunken flourish zeus shield, there aren't any "break points"

well they're not hard set and stone

it's dot

[vagrant crane]

well

why drunken flourish zeus shield

[tight basin]

because he wants to

[plain river]

I’m not chunking hard enough to lose damage from breakpoints

Imagine using meta zeus shield losers

[vagrant crane]

ME time

i would simply do zMEus

[plain river]

Meta zeus is ME and/or zeus^2

[tight basin]

zeus^2 is for consistency

ME is spee

d

[plain river]

Actually I considered just outright barring fds

and only using +% specials

[ivory turtle]

What's the usual pick for Styx keepsakes? I usually run pom blossom

[plain river]

Acorn

[tight basin]

i mean 63 heat was beat with % lmao

not hell mode even tho pl was never procced

[plain river]

Ah rip that could’ve been 64

[tight basin]

i think they said that they didn't feel like doing it lmao

and like % is good to practice when doing zeus^2

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1058949041045647442/IMG_2719.jpg

I think that was the same as what I used for zeus shield

[vagrant crane]

js2 moment

[plain river]

Truly a js2 moment

[vagrant crane]

zeus can do dc2 instead cant it

or is that a high heat thing

[plain river]

I think zeus has the aoe to make it not as big of an issue

still an issue

[ivory turtle]

When you get ignited ichor with rush delivery

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1057188144262430810/IMG_2708.jpg

Top 10 photos taken right before death

[vagrant crane]

418

antos moment

[plain river]

I don’t know either

Antos >> battie

• I was trying to be antimeta

I’m gonna find my huge dio aid photo

[cunning urchin]

I know I suggested to do an off-meta challenge for 40 Heat, but I didn't say take only 3 boons and the worst Attack you can think of.

[vagrant crane]

LMFAO ZEUS ATK

new zagbow meta??

[tight basin]

wasn't the idea flurry shot zeus attack

[plain river]

I velieve

[tight basin]

i remember doing this run

[plain river]

That this was recently after we had a convo about lightning strike zag bow

[vagrant crane]

i mean

[tight basin]

figures lmao

[vagrant crane]

if chain shot is a good hammer.......

[tight basin]

im fairly certain you took ap1

because iirc i got both hangover duos lmao

[vagrant crane]

do ri4

free

just dont take the dmg

[cunning urchin]

Common even.

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1080348564380717136/IMG_3026.png

[cunning urchin]

Commoners smh.

[plain river]

I think this was right after I said that

Or recently after I had said that

[ivory turtle]

K but here's the real decision: play more Hades or sleep

[plain river]

sleep is important

I’m a hypocrite

[ivory turtle]

K I took a sleeping pill, let's see how long it takes for my body to shut down

In the meantime... Y'all have any bow meme runs? Lol

Besides thunder/glacial flare lol

[vagrant crane]

uh

bow meme

were you the one who did phalanx shot

[ivory turtle]

Oh yeah that was me

On Hera

[vagrant crane]

uh

explosive shot rama??

[ivory turtle]

Oh my gosh that sounds excessively beautiful

Now to pull it

[plain river]

Lightning strike flurry shot zag bow

[ivory turtle]

OH LOL ILL DO IT

HMMMM guess I'll take chain shot

Everything else boosts special

[vagrant crane]

chain shot pretty good

cope pick but nice for room clear and heroes

also funny while adds last in dad fight

[ivory turtle]

Any duo I should go for?

Daaang didn't get flurry

I'll settle for triple tho

[graceful pagoda]

What’s a good build for varatha besides cast Achilles build

[olive zinc]

i think ME build is good on any aspect

I was struggling with the spear hidden aspect but ME helped

[graceful pagoda]

Dash spam ME specifically?

[cunning urchin]

This one works for Zag Spear and Achilles: #h1-discussion message

Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

[graceful pagoda]

Thanks 👍

[graceful pagoda]

LOL

[delicate hatch]

some charged skewer + exploding launcher build would be pretty good

there's plenty of them on google if you just search up exploding launcher spear builds ig

[cunning urchin]

Better to ask here for recommendations than to trust random sources you find on Google tbh.

We have a build guide pinned here in this channel that covers pretty much all of the meta builds and some decent off-meta builds for every aspect.

[proven osprey]

google builds are very nice

if you want to have fun with janky stuff

[cunning urchin]

The Hades Monthly Challenges do that while also teaching you about different elements of the game.

[delicate hatch]

good point ig

[plain river]

Googling Hades builds gives you stuff like this: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg

[delicate hatch]

oh.

oh no.

nvm my bad then

realistically ig something like tdash start

aphro flourish

and then there's like a lotta stuff that could work i reckon

and i'm not qualified enough to tell what's exactly the best so

correct me if i am wrong

[cunning urchin]

The main ingredient in "building" for Charged Skewer + Exploding Launcher tbh is either a lot of resets or playing modded to actually guarantee Exploding Launcher start.

[vagrant crane]

where da hell is this from

[proper furnace]

Thegamer iirc?

They also have the famous sea storm arthur build

[plain river]

I believe it was thegamer

[dull stag]

Hey ladds did my first clear last night with the bow..
Wanna do a shield 2nd, im able to set up the doom special build tru the ares capesake is that a solid build?

[vagrant crane]

not particularly

you'd rather do a % based attack

shield you don't really use the special

[dull stag]

Worked well couple of times though, dided at hades 2nd phase

[proper furnace]

The thing about special is that it disables your block till it comes back

[dull stag]

Had athena dash in the mix once

[proper furnace]

Do you have aspects already btw?

If you wanna focus on special you can get zeus shield

[dull stag]

No mate its my 23rd atempt, dont have mutch stuff and capesake

[dull stag]

I have 3 blood for that

[proper furnace]

How many weapons have you unlocked

[dull stag]

All the basic

And chirons bow

[proper furnace]

Oh then you have aspects already

[dull stag]

Haven't unlock i ment, sry

[proper furnace]

Like i've said if you wanna do special focus is better to use zeus as it also allows you to use your atk/block during the special

Other shields i find it better to focus on atk with charged shot or even something like pulv blow

[dull stag]

Focus on zeus boons i assume

[proper furnace]

But if you said that doom on special is working for you then i dont see it as bad foe you

And yeah zeus shield with zeus boons is amazing

Zeus special -> static discharge and pom the later

[dull stag]

Zeus shield oke without upgrading the weapon for a start?

[vagrant crane]

the special damage still works

from thunder flourish

[proper furnace]

Yeah not really needed

[dull stag]

Awesome, thanks 😊

[gleaming bramble]

Hey everyone. Why do I read that Spear aspect of Achilles is a good aspect for cast builds? what's the interaction between achilles and cast ?

[vagrant crane]

150% boost

[gleaming bramble]

ok so special, dash, and then cast ?

[vagrant crane]

sure

[tight basin]

it's like spam special twice -> cast -> atk however many times needed so that raging rush runs out -> spam special twice -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

and during that whole process, you kinda track your casts and chase them while cleaning up

achilles is commonly used with hunting blades or lightning phalanx

[gleaming bramble]

@tight basin oh i've never done a lightning phalanx build, i'll try it

[dull stag]

@proper furnace @vagrant crane shield clear done, Zeus special, Demeter crystals killed Hades pretty fast in 2nd phase when he was stationary

[vagrant crane]

nice

[proper furnace]

Gaming

[solar siren]

Not sure which direction I should go for on an Aphro Atk Rama build

there’s Zeus special and Dio special

which is better/more consistent

[vagrant crane]

zeus

[solar siren]

Alright

and goddamnit Dionysus shows up first

pain

[tight basin]

@edgy jungle take em2 for a faster lernie fight, take fo2 for faster enemy spawns
take meta builds and aspects
when clearing rooms, try to clear towards the exit so you can end near the exit to save a bit of time
always take free rooms such as midshop, story rooms, and chaos. if a chaos gate shows up at c12, c22, or c34, dont take it because the next room isn't a combat room. these are called extension rooms. don't take trials or erebus. there are very few exceptions on when you would, but for the most part just dont

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&pp=ygUPaGFkZXMgc2xlZXBzb3Vs
also here's a basic speedrun guide by sleepsoul

also check wells for light of ixions, nail of talos, and jerkies

if it's a cast based aspect, braids and stones as well

[edgy jungle]

hmm, been doing fo1 because fo2 is scary, not 100% sure what the meta builds are but I have an idea, I take the free rooms whenever I can

[tight basin]

fo1 is good enough tbh

the video goes over a meta build for each weapon

or like, it picks 1 aspect from each weapon and gives at least 1 build for it

[edgy jungle]

is there any info about positioning enemies? sometimes I get a room with the mortar launchers and then I spend what feels like 20 minutes chasing them all down

[tight basin]

well there's a guide for spawn manipulation, but that won't help you against killing enemies

sometimes it's just unlucky, other times you need to be aware of the cues of when they're gonna jump

[edgy jungle]

spawn manipulation's probably most of the problem, I'll look into that

[tight basin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6NaU9v1-raeibkl4jBOxsYyBGfwq6w9g-HvOkzEXFM9RaxKP9TSE1ZioMmR4p-taL-sQjFbcqOe2A/pub

gonna be honest tho

you dont need to learn spawn manips for a sub10

yeah its helpful, but it mostly comes down to mechanical skill

[edgy jungle]

there's plenty other stuff to learn too, yeah

[tight basin]

what aspect are you running btw

[edgy jungle]

I just take dark thirst, I have all weapons in the 12-13 range except sword

best/most consistent performance is with achilles spear

[tight basin]

oh nice

achilles is pretty mechanically demanding i think

[edgy jungle]

serrated edge and flurry jab are nice though

[tight basin]

also pretty hammer dependent

without flurry jab it's a little rough and your dps and speed goes down

you dont want both, you only pick one

even if you do get offered the other as a second hammer

[edgy jungle]

yeah

[tight basin]

if you can get flurry jab early, then it's pretty easy

[edgy jungle]

should you be weaving in the special damage boost even with flurry jab?

that part seems pretty demanding

[tight basin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?usp=sharing

here's an achilles guide

by 185in

[tight basin]

yeah that's the mechanically demanding part lol

the guide should help with build and dps rotation

it's pretty much spam special 2x -> dash strike twice -> repeat

flurry jab makes you do 1 standing attack after a dash strike, so it'll use up all 4 charges of raging rush

[edgy jungle]

what's the deal with tidal dash being so important?

[tight basin]

big aoe, highest damaging dash

also opens up breaking wave as a tier 2 boon

which makes styx irrelevant

it's also really good in tartarus, helps you finish off enemies

they dont have much hp to begin with, do tdash will chunk them pretty well

achilles is one of the faster aspects for clearing out tartarus, the only other competitor is hestia

maybe hera, but i reckon the other 2 can be faster

[edgy jungle]

because they can get high damage out fast without boons?

[tight basin]

yeah kinda

achilles just has really high mobility and the 150% boost makes it extremely fast

hestia has a base 150 shot, another 75% bonus from fiery presence and another 25% bonus from high confidence and you're basically starting off with a 300 damage shot

granted the 25% is gone as soon as you take a chaos gate, but the 75% still goes a long way

[edgy jungle]

250+ is still nothing to scoff at

[tight basin]

yeah for sure

[edgy jungle]

I don't enjoy the reload mechanic in general and hestia makes it worse so I haven't really touched that aspect

[tight basin]

remapping reload to a more convenient button helps

also, hitting reload and dash/special at the same time removes the reload animation so you can maintain mobility

[vagrant crane]

i think fo1 is preferred on unmodded for some reason at not pushing low times

[vagrant crane]

hera when they have to shoot an enemy in tartarus with hammer start (they didn't plan for this):

[tight basin]

just reset duh

[tight basin]

why would that be preferred

[vagrant crane]

idek

i read it once in some guide

[tight basin]

i dont think it'd be preferred i just think it's acceptable lol

like it'll work for a slightly better edge

i dont think any reason not to run fo2 if you can handle it for a speedrun

[cunning urchin]

FO1 on some aspects like Beowulf can make Asphodel less of a pain.

[vagrant crane]

oh

yeah

[tight basin]

that's true i guess

[vagrant crane]

that's where i got it from

Use Forced Overtime 1 if you’re playing unmodded. This is so that enemies spawn quicker. It’s not recommended to use FO2 on unmodded because enemies often jump away from you on FO2. especially in Asphodel, and since the bullrush charges so slowly, it's harder to catch them. However, if you have the Charged Shot hammer, as you are guaranteed to get when playing Modded, your bullrush charges up quicker and it’s easier to chase enemies even if they jump to the other side of the room. This is why it is recommended to use FO2 when playing Modded, and FO1 when playing Unmodded.

so fo2 when you're pushing times that you reset for cshot

[edgy jungle]

is that specifically for the shield then?

[vagrant crane]

this is specifically beo

[tight basin]

i'd say fo1 on rama is acceptable

[vagrant crane]

do you take fo1 in general on like nem or something then

to avoid people jumping away from u

[tight basin]

rama is rough to get the timings right, and fo1 will give you space

oh my internet is not vibing very cool

[cunning urchin]

Also possible that people no longer do that anyway since they've got a lot more practice with FO2 Beowulf since.

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis has always been FO2 as far back as I remember.

[vagrant crane]

i think asphodel should be banned from the game and instead hestia and achilles should have 30 seconds taken off their tart time to compensate

[cunning urchin]

Even when people originally came up with the idea of using FO1 for Beowulf, there were still quite a few who used FO2.

[tight basin]

aspho hestia should already be relatively fast i thought

same with achilles

[vagrant crane]

thats why 30 gets deducted

to compensate for loss of aspho advantage

[tight basin]

how much time would the slower aspects get deducted

[vagrant crane]

0 because time deducted is good

i just hate aspho

and lernie

Hades Makes Worst Biome Ever, Asked To Leave Underworld

[tight basin]

i'd simply just get epic rd

(i have seen epic rd once in the past few months)

(or twice)

[vagrant crane]

i miss hypermodded already

[edgy jungle]

also for keyboard/mouse is there a recommended setup for aim assist/attack at cursor/etc?

[tight basin]

i'd simply get the boons and rooms

the brooms, one could say

[vagrant crane]

attack at cursor for everything but rail

also hera flurry shot maybe

thats half and half i think

but all the hera flurry players are gamepad anyways

[tight basin]

it's personal preference at that point i think

flurry hera is just rough tho on kbm tbh

just dont have dash at cursor on

[cunning urchin]

I tried to play Hades on KBM a few months ago, and it probably looks like I've never played a video game in my life.

[vagrant crane]

idk how you play bow on gamepad

like you have to move towards your enemy?????

[cunning urchin]

Hmm? You can dash in whatever direction and then just aim at enemies.

Also aim-assist, so you only need to aim in their general direction.

[tight basin]

auto aim tends to lock you into the direction you're moving/dashing/facing

[cunning urchin]

Gotta just make sure you line up and time your shots well because auto-aim doesn't lead the target.

[tight basin]

it's a bit rough with kbm because you only have wasd for directions compared to the full 360 of a controller

[vagrant crane]

so you end up having to be within like 135 degrees of them with your 45 degree increments

[cunning urchin]

I like when I want to throw Achilles Special in a certain direction and auto-aim makes me throw it at an enemy that's like 130° away from where m aiming my stick lol.

EM4 HS Achilles, double-tapping Special just becomes a quick reset shortcut.

[cobalt moat]

The first thing I did before even starting a game was turn off auto-aim and enable attack/dash at cursor. I might consider changing those settings if I played with a controller. I feel like analog movement on a controller would be smoother, but aiming with those sticks is just soooooo much worse. I can see why controller players might still have to use auto-aim.

[gilded wedge]

attack at cursor makes sense to my brain

although tbh I've only played with kbm a little bit

[tight basin]

attack at cursor is standard for kbm, dash at cursor is not

[dull stag]

Any build recommendations to do a fist clear as a new player?

Or should i say relatively new

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a Demeter Aspect guide here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[cobalt moat]

I think the easiest build for pretty much any aspect when you're new is to go for the demeter cast with as many buffs for it as possible. That way you can play it safe and just focus on dodging stuff while the beam turrets do all the damage for you.

I also found it particularly helpful to get the "stubborn roots" duo boon when I was learning the theseus and hades boss fights. You can just kite around the room and regen while occasionally going in for damage.

neither of those strategies are particularly optimal for veteran play though, more likely to be laughed at tbh

[tight basin]

I mean meme beams on every weapon is technically fine but it's probably boring if you're gonna play it like that for every single aspect and weapon

[cobalt moat]

well, if you're just trying to clear on fists to get them out of the way for the achievement then it might help for forcing that to happen

it's certainly not the best way to play them

[cunning urchin]

There are easier builds than that.

[tight basin]

Idk about you but a normal person would rather punch stuff that do that lmao

[cobalt moat]

Do tell!

I did watch that one Haelian video where he took down em4 while afk. Not sure how consistent a build like that would be to set up though.

[cunning urchin]

Just any meta Malphon build honestly.

[cobalt moat]

Right, but the meta assumes you know the whole game like the back of your hand, can avoid nearly all damage, and consistently run everything in under 15 minutes. I'd argue most beginners are just looking for something that makes the game easier to play.

[cunning urchin]

Nah.

Merciful End on Malphon for example doesn't require any deep mechanical skills. You just hold down Attack and mash Dash and everything dies before they could possibly kill you.

Even if you don't end up actually getting Merciful End.

Meanwhile Crystal Clarity is just sad if the build doesn't come together.

[cobalt moat]

fair enough, I've only gotten it twice so far. I was just really impressed with it when I did

[delicate hatch]

and merciful end does exactly that?

same as the other person said, merciful end is just holding down attack and dashing around and everything just magically disappears

[soft shoal]

Also an easy strategy that is probably not optimal is to just hold attack down with sporadic dashes and then special when it's charged

I have been farming the bounties doing that with Demeter fists

[proud siren]

Anyone have any good builds/hammers for the Adamant Rail? I want to try get my first clear using that weapon, I have so far got clears with Poseidon sword, Zagreus shield and Chiron bow.

[plain river]

Any specific aspect of the rail?

Generally though, zeus on attack along with aphrodite on special, looking for rocket bomb and cluster bomb hammers

[proud siren]

what would you recommend? I haven't really used the rail before so I have only got the default Zag aspect unlocked, however I do have some titan's blood I could use to unlock another aspect

[cobalt moat]

aspect of Eris is pretty amazing. If you get cluster bomb + rocket hammers you can just charge into people and point blank them with 5x rockets, which then adds +75% to your next salvo. Even bosses can get chunked down to nothing in ~6 salvos

[tight basin]

The meta literally doesn't care if you're good at the game or not lol
The meta builds are just good builds and there's nothing more to it

Ofc there's some like other stuff to know but you don't really have to know the game that well

[vagrant crane]

first beo clear moment

also the meta does not expect you to avoid damage

you could be trying to take hits but if you have a good enough build you'll literally kill them before they kill you

[tight basin]

Or you don't know how to use the aspect and still die lol

A meta build helps with not dying tho

Unless it's like Gilgamesh and then good luck buddy

[vagrant crane]

go die with a decent beo build in dad fight

while also giving at least a try at dealing the damage

it's hard

[tight basin]

I did once lol

[vagrant crane]

how

[tight basin]

Boiling blood

[vagrant crane]

lmfao

[tight basin]

Went in with only 1 DD as well i think lol

[vagrant crane]

i would simply not have died

[tight basin]

As considering it was a speedrun I entered the fight with like 85 max hp

So I got like 2 shot into my last like 42 hp and then got slapped afterwards lmao

[vagrant crane]

imo i would have just not lost the death defiance but that's just me really

was it good pace tho

[tight basin]

Probably not

[vagrant crane]

is dying an igt timeloss

[tight basin]

Don't think so

Timer pauses

For rta it matters tho

[vagrant crane]

but no recovery time after or anything?

[tight basin]

Wdym

[proven osprey]

Rta time loss ye

[vagrant crane]

rta isn't real

[vagrant crane]

like there's not a point after where timer going but no press button

[tight basin]

Idk I doubt it

If that existed I would've heard about it at this point

[proven osprey]

True

[dull stag]

Hey, thank you!
Was busy all day

[dull stag]

Honestly i dont have any problem clearing rooms.
Theseus and Minotaur were a lil anoying at start, now i always pass tru them, learend the movesets i guess..
I only die at hades 2nd phase 😅

[drowsy saddle]

You have inactionable iframes after the dd pause, I think timer goes on for those

[vagrant crane]

new thing to blame for my times

[dull stag]

Last night i finally got my artemis capesake

[cunning elk]

keepsake

[dull stag]

That thing

[vagrant crane]

ask here if you have any questions about that build

[dull stag]

👌

[mortal sapphire]

Skimming through "the ultimate hestia guide" and I have some questions:

1. What is "IGT"
2. What is "RTA"
3. Why does the author hope Distant Memory keepsake is level 1 (and suggests a new file otherwise)? Isn't level 3 strictly better than level 1?

[vagrant crane]

in game time

real time attack

distant memory is utter garbage

[gilded wedge]

distant memory is bad you shouldn’t be using it so it shouldn’t be elevelled

[plain river]

In game time
Real Time attack
Havig distant memory at level 3 means you used it for too many chambers

[vagrant crane]

if you've levelled distant memory it was probably under threat of death

[plain river]

Or you’re just a completionist like me

[vagrant crane]

just use max save and level all the others

[plain river]

…

no

[mortal sapphire]

Oh so the comment for distant memory is just that it's bad? :p

[vagrant crane]

yes

[mortal sapphire]

Alright thanks folks

[tight basin]

level 1 and level 3 distant memory do the same thing

[vagrant crane]

nothing

[tight basin]

exactly

[vagrant crane]

i saw haelian take distant memory for styx so it's definitely the best keepsake for offense

[tight basin]

true

[cunning urchin]

It's great for Satyr tunnels because the chambers are sooooo big.

Which is also a reason why Tidal Dash is so bad in there.

If you're new here, this is joke. It's the other way around.

[raven slate]

I want to know how good are Poseidon cast builds.

[gilded wedge]

Poseidon sword or flood shot?

[raven slate]

Flood Shot

[proper furnace]

blizzard shot duo can be pretty fun

i normally use flood shot as an extra help if i need AoE for styx

pair with breaking wave and done

[strange lark]

distant memory best keepsake

[vagrant crane]

that's what i said

[last dirge]

Poseidon cast can be fun

Blizzard shot duo is ok to good but slow. Curse of Drowning is weird but really strong.

I like it with Achilles aspect so you can fling yourself around while pulsating

But some have suggested that the pulse removes your dodge invuln for that instant, unsure. It's hard to test in game as the cast blocks a lot of your vision. That just may be the problem with it.

If you just want to do a cast run really I recommend trying Crush Shot, try to get Blown Kiss, on Achilles.

Good Hermes cast stuff also makes it silly but either way, a very fun bonk cast

Flood Shot is better than no cast boon at all usually, unless you are going for another cast.

[tight basin]

Hunting blades or lightning phalanx on Achilles also does a lot of damage

Blades gives better boss damage

Lightning phalanx I think has a better room clear

[last dirge]

Yeah. Both will do fine.

Just get used to doing short special jumps to reset and pseudo-dodge, if you aren't already

Really helps especially with Crush Shot which is close ranged.

Special into your cast stones is good too. Dont be afraid to use it unless its dad

Then be very careful if you are on controller because you can auto aim into the pots

Maybe the most fun cast aspect?

Pretty unique.

[ruby siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzEbmnFjO70 one of my recent Rama runs at 24 heat w maxed FO, would love tips on finally making it out w these pact settings. also had a rly fun build for any newer players who are looking for ideas (nsfw-cursing)

[vagrant crane]

with rama you have to know when to let off your charge early

https://youtu.be/uzEbmnFjO70?t=1618 you overcommit to this charge when you've got two enemies flinging themselves at you and another one blasting you

since flamewheels are super low health you can let off a quick charge

also

just never take pos atk

lowest % and anti synergy with literally everything ever

oh

don't take em4

em4 isn't recommended till

what

55+

50 on some aspects

but generally 55 ish

https://youtu.be/uzEbmnFjO70?t=1598 here you kill this floating head in probably the longest possible amount of time on rama

with two specials and a fully charged standing strike

commit to the strike or the special, or let the strike off early

uhh i have homework ill watch more later

[tight basin]

taking relentless volley over triple shot kinda not a great idea lol