No, you end up dead unless you're Retrash or AngeL1C. 
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
vagrant crane
is arthur therefore better for em4?????????
cunning urchin
At low Heat with FO0 and HL0... maybe.
Poseidon probably the easiest. Just do Crystal Clarity lol.
acoustic vale
Arthur best sword. I don't really have EVIDENCE of that, but it feels right
vagrant crane
the nemesis in question:
pine scaffold
dawn meteor
consider: Arthur get big number
stuck basalt
consider: crit on arthur for BIG number
solar siren
I do like Athena Atk on arthur just for the huge swing of deflection
and also for the fact that the aura slows projectiles and reduces damage
it’s like Calculated Risk but on steroids
wait
can Calculated Risk and Arthur special stack
do projectiles just freeze in place
cunning urchin
I think Divine Strike is second best in slot after Heartbreak Strike.
That huge deflect swing is really good.
solar siren
Trying to do a Chiron Hangover build, should I get Artemis Atk, Aphro dash and Ares vengeance to get all 3 of the hangover boons? or should I just get Aphro atk and ares vengeance and skip out on Splitting Headache?
tight basin
aphro atk and ares vengeance
hangover is much stronger and more reliable to actually get low tolerance up
also if you do want splitting headache, you can take arty cast
solar siren
Alright
tight basin
it's mediocre
vagrant crane
that's base zagbow ish
cunning urchin
Trying to do a Chiron Hangover build, should I get Artemis Atk, Aphro dash and A...
Low Tolerance is top priority. Anything else is extra.
solar siren
Yeah I think this’ll be my order of priority: Low Tolerance > Curse of Nausea > Splitting Headache
vagrant crane
lmfao wait that's forcing 4 gods
cunning urchin
You might go for Curse of Nausea, you might go for Smoldering Air, maybe for Black Out... there's a lot of options, but you wanna try to get Low Tolerance first.
Splitting Headache is decent enough with Hunter's Mark, but it'll also open up Heart Rend... which is good in the build if you already have Splitting Headache and Hunter's Mark, but opening up Heart Rend as well makes it more difficult to actually get Splitting Headache. Less of a headache if you just take Pressure Points + Hunter's Mark instead without opening up any Duo Boons.
solar siren
funny duo boons
tight basin
Yeah I think this’ll be my order of priority: Low Tolerance > Curse of Nausea > ...
just get them naturally lmao
easy
vagrant crane
the modded in question:
solar siren
cunning urchin
If you have Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Flourish and take Zeus' Aid, on the other hand... you open up nothing with Lord Dionysus and only Smoldering Air with Lady Aphrodite, which is probably better in the build than Low Tolerance anyway, so if you get that first no big deal. And later on you can pick up Trippy Shot for both Black Out and Scintillating Feast.
vagrant crane
just play it as bad zagbow lmfao
cunning urchin
One reason why I like to take Gods' Legacy sometimes in those builds.
@zealous urchin hello.
tight basin
lmfao wait that's forcing 4 gods
zealous urchin
solar siren
I can barely get 17 what the hell
tight basin
the focus here is the build not my pb lmao
vagrant crane
hot diggity dog
solar siren
I’m gonna try to see if I can even get that many duo boons
vagrant crane
you always get the most duos when you're not trying to get any duos
solar siren
I already got Splitting and Low Tolerance by the end of asphodel so now I just need to get ares
vagrant crane
assfoothell
solar siren
low tolerance is a drug im already downing the hydra heads every 2 seconds
vagrant crane
the beowulf in question:
cunning urchin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1024078685856354437/...
I see your 4 Duo Boons and raise you 2 Duo Boons and 3 Legendary Boons. 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775637549044465674/866790354414338079/Hades_3574.png
With Gods' Pride.
tight basin
this is big fds energy without fds
cunning urchin
Just a typical Nemesis build.
solar siren
so I got all 3 of the hangover duos
my god they just die so fast
how is it possible
solar siren
Long, Colossus, or Rolling Knuckle for Demeter aspect?
cunning urchin
Long, Colossus, or Rolling Knuckle for Demeter aspect?
Long Knuckle and Colossus Knuckle are both good. Long Knuckle is 2nd best after Breaching Cross if you're doing EM4. Otherwise less important.
solar siren
Was planning to do merciful end for that run
cunning urchin
i feel like rolling? don't pick it yet though i've done two dem runs
Can't roll hammers.
vagrant crane
so real
solar siren
Imagine if you could reroll hammers
tight basin
Thered still be people who used authority lmao
cunning urchin
I think it's more fun the way it is.
dawn meteor
The world would be a better place if hammers were rerollable
neon terrace
ok I just got Tis in Tartarus and after beating her theres a gold urn in the right corner of the end of her last hallway how tf do I destroy that
proper furnace
Cant do that if its outside the small arena
neon terrace
I have the spear sadly
tight basin
yeah prob not
proper furnace
im gonna say it bounces but i dont remember
neon terrace
that's the only reason i sometimes don't roll side hustle if i have very few rolls to waste
tight basin
side hustle is a nice cope pick yeah
vagrant crane
why is aspho so baaad
valid dagger
What are you aiming for anyway
tight basin
sub7 iirc
vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
i think she has like a 7:07 so she's pretty close
vagrant crane
this aspho was like a 140
tight basin
just get the ely skip
deep wagon
i wish i had a build like this when i wasnt tryna get the last rewards for a non heat run
a lotta cast and special spamming lmaoo
ruby siren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732986703014395905/1078106211276312637/Sc...
ooooof thats so good i bet u had fun
deep wagon
unfortunately i still suck at dodging so i barely survived that one 😓
ruby siren
unfortunately i still suck at dodging so i barely survived that one 😓
aww youll get there 💜
https://imgur.com/U2z29Ac unhealthy fixation midway thru tartarus 
bleh it wont display the image
tight basin
Wack it usually does
vagrant crane
imgur weird
tight basin
Maybe send it without extra text
ruby siren
vagrant crane
discord links are more consistent
ruby siren
yayyy
vagrant crane
369 gold
ruby siren
tight basin
Dang close
ruby siren
gonna be a fun run
tight basin
It'll be interesting to say the least lol
vagrant crane
doom speical
neon terrace
Hades sub's doing an Aspect bracket and Beo got knocked out rd 1 😭
but it was bt Zeus so it makes sense
tight basin
oh yeah that whole thing sucks lmao
beo is objectively better than zeus in every way until you get to 60+ heat lol
and chiron beating out zag bow
neon terrace
Zeus is just better though tbf
neon terrace
oh cmon ik yall hate Chiron but it's not worse than Zag bow
tight basin
well it is
neon terrace
better in what sense
Its special and normal attack are better, dash strike too
vagrant crane
beowulf is the strongest aspect in the game
and chiron is played half the time at high level literally as bad zagbow
neon terrace
only way beo's better than zag is the bull rush
tight basin
Its special and normal attack are better, dash strike too
normal atk on beo does more damage, no one cares about beo special
dash strike on beo does more damage as well
proper furnace
Its special and normal attack are better, dash strike too
boon named mirage shot:
tight basin
but also like
neon terrace
normal atk on beo does more damage, no one cares about beo special
dash strike o...
the attack's slow af and clunky as shit, by that logic arthur's attack is stronger than the other swords too
vagrant crane
lmfao how did that get past dyno
tight basin
bruh lmao
vagrant crane
also what
tight basin
the attack's slow af and clunky as shit, by that logic arthur's attack is strong...
"slow af and clunky" tell that to the sub5 beo lmao
vagrant crane
your attack is NOT your source of damage
proper furnace
you dont even use beo atk
proper furnace
thats why dash strike exists
tight basin
also yeah lol
vagrant crane
the instaphase in question:
tight basin
the only thing zeus has above beo besides the whole heat thing is that you can play zeus nonoptimally better than beo nonoptimally
vagrant crane
play beo like arthur lmfao
proper furnace
just play the charged flight build
neon terrace
"slow af and clunky" tell that to the sub5 beo lmao
i said the attack is im not saying the weapon cant clear quickly
vagrant crane
yeah well the attack is of low consequence
tight basin
well good thing no one uses the atk on beo
vagrant crane
oh yeah
tight basin
or rather
vagrant crane
the attack is of no consequence
tight basin
you shouldnt use the atk on beo
vagrant crane
the dashstrike is of low consequence
neon terrace
so u agree the only way in which beo is better than zeus is just thr bull rush?
tight basin
why are you just comparing the raw stat of the shield itself lmao
vagrant crane
lmfao wdym "just"
cunning urchin
Zeus is just better though tbf
Go count the number of Beowulf runs in top 20, then go look for Zeus. (It's somewhere on page 2.) https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat
proper furnace
i mean if you wanna go that way
maybe yeah, but the bullrush does so much
cunning urchin
tight basin
i dont see the point of the comparison you're trying to make
cunning urchin
so u agree the only way in which beo is better than zeus is just thr bull rush?
Okay but consider this: if you never press Special on Zeus, you have literally Lv.0 shield.
neon terrace
that and zeus has the highest top heat clear of any weapon
vagrant crane
ok and
tight basin
oh boy i knew this point was gonna come up
vagrant crane
there are like
neon terrace
Okay but consider this: if you never press Special on Zeus, you have literally L...
if you never do thr bull rush on beo u have worse than a lv0 shield
vagrant crane
if you never do thr bull rush on beo u have worse than a lv0 shield
so the only way in which zeus is better than beo is the special
tight basin
i literally said that beo is better to clear with under 60 heat 
which is a much wider reasonable range to play at
if ri3 didn't take away the casts, then beo would have max heat clears unmodded lol
vagrant crane
it's weird that they're grouped like that
cunning urchin
if you never do thr bull rush on beo u have worse than a lv0 shield
I have honestly no idea how my point flew over your head.
vagrant crane
death/stubborn defiance is grouped with... cthonic vitality? and fiery presence?
tight basin
yeah
proper furnace
if ri3 didn't take away the casts, then beo would have max heat clears unmodded ...
just get fully loaded ch6 smh
vagrant crane
those are weird
tight basin
just get fully loaded ch6 smh
honestly true
start arty
vagrant crane
hunter flare W
neon terrace
so the only way in which zeus is better than beo is the special
and the regular attack, dash strike, and it's more heat resistant bc dc2 doesnt render it useless
vagrant crane
and the regular attack, dash strike, and it's more heat resistant bc dc2 doesnt ...
beo takes dc2 at 60 lmfao
it's just that it can't take ri3
proper furnace
beo can deal with dc2 thanks to snow burst
tight basin
i'd like to point out that the normal person can also take other heats besides dc2 if they want to push heat lol
cunning urchin
You're saying Zeus is better because if you go out of your way to make Beowulf perform poorly while playing Zeus competently, then Zeus performs better.
Well duh.
plain river
🧠
deep wagon
I hate playing the shield sm does anyone have tips
tight basin
Get charged shot
plain river
Any particular aspect?
plain river
Yeah so getting the charged shot hammer and building for big +% on your attack should work
Remember to whip out your bullrush when you need to block, or as a movement option
Try to group up enemies using the shields innate knockback so you can take them all out together
Dashing striking into your bullrush allows you to pull up the shield faster due to dash strikes being faster then standing strikes
deep wagon
Is charged shot the power shot upgrade?
proper furnace
changes bullrush to 80 base dmg projectile
you can spam it as its dmg doesnt increases with how much you charge it
also pierces, which is cool
plain river
minotaur rush is the one which gives your bull rush a powershot, and frankly isn’t anything stellar
ivory turtle
K. Who should I start with for Achilles spear?
Haven't tried a castspect before (while knowing what that was at least)
cunning urchin
K. Who should I start with for Achilles spear?
Achilles Guide for Newbies: #h1-discussion message
Crystal Clarity Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Cast Build Guide (general): #h1-builds-and-combat message
tight basin
the speedrun strat is start tdash, either athena's or ares' for casts. if you get athena's, you'd want zeus atk. if you get ares, take artemis. get their duos, get big damage
otherwise, you can start ares for his cast and go for hunting blades with artemis
tight basin
hunting blades is considered the best achilles build btw
vagrant crane
the lightning strike in question:
tight basin
that doesn't have good dps until you get jolted
cunning urchin
m not a guy, though.
tight basin
or splitting if you're lucky
lightning strike dps falls off in ely and it's hard to rely on just that
back half achilles can be either really good or really bad
back half achilles wants a really good cast duo generally
ivory turtle
m not a guy, though. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Well, ladies, gents, and everything in between y'all are awesome lol
vagrant crane
doesnt achilles doc say lightning strike
vagrant crane
maybe it says casts later idk lmfao i didnt read that much of it
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike and Lightning Strike are both good.
tight basin
if you're just solely relying on lightning strike it kinda sucks
cunning urchin
The difference only really starts to matter if you're pushing for somewhere near WR times honestly.
cunning urchin
if you're just solely relying on lightning strike it kinda sucks
You get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge, not just Lightning Strike.
tight basin
i found lightning strike achilles rough in ely when trying to get a sub9 lol
vagrant crane
You get Lightning Strike + Static Discharge, not just Lightning Strike. <:tizomg...
storm lightning is better than static discharge, i recently heard
cunning urchin
storm lightning is better than static discharge, i recently heard
From whom?
ivory turtle
Also I've never been able to make Athena cast work, is it any good??
tight basin
I'm gonna start area cast I think
oh your dps rotation is dstrike twice, -> mash special twice -> repeat
you just throw in your casts whenever after you get the raging rush boost
tight basin
Also I've never been able to make Athena cast work, is it any good??
it has a big boi number
also lightning phalanx helps it with room clearing
vagrant crane
crush shot:
cunning urchin
on a public forum
An unnamed Hades online forum?
vagrant crane
i’d venture so far as to say so, yes
gilded wedge
sounds trustworthy
tight basin
crush shot:
crush shot and phalanx shot have pretty similar damage iirc, phalanx is generally better for achilles because of the range and access to lightning phalanx for better room clear
crush shot achilles is decent tho
vagrant crane
but number
tight basin
well i never said phalanx was the highest
i just said it was a big boi
also crush shot achilles can't have a 3 second heroes fight can it
vagrant crane
isnt it 6
ivory turtle
I GOT FLURRY JAB ON MY THIRD ROOM LESGOOOO
vagrant crane
nice
tight basin
yo based
cunning urchin
Achilles Crush Shot is a little frustrating to play because relying on the Special for the bonus damage doesn't always put you in a good spot to use Crush Shot.
I'd rather start Heartbreak Strike or Passion Dash personally.
vagrant crane
the solution is to use a different aspect
cunning urchin
the solution is to use a different aspect
That too.
vagrant crane
if an aspect cant properly utilise crush shot its the aspects fault
tight basin
true
vagrant crane
its literally the best cast boon
tight basin
i think luci can make good use of crush shot
cunning urchin
the solution is to use a different aspect
Another option is to also just not use the Special.
The less you use the Special, the more you can use Crush Shot instead in the same time.
vagrant crane
crush shot one hits everything u dont need silly 2.5x boosts
tight basin
achilles damage boost goes hard
ivory turtle
I also got the legendary
I'm not even maxed out on Titans blood for Achilles and it's still just nutty
tight basin
lvl 1 achilles is the same boost as lvl 5 pos sword and talos lol
vagrant crane
talos isnt real
tight basin
serrated point + flurry = rip iframes
tight basin
big damage but also dont die lol
vagrant crane
permanent halting kinda sucks but dmg also good
i think in the doc they say serrated is meant to be cope if no flurry
ivory turtle
Ooh I could go for Hermes or most likely get mirage shot... Is it worth it?
ivory turtle
Lafhwlfhkq
tight basin
do you already have a 1st hermes boon?
ivory turtle
Ye
tight basin
what is it
vagrant crane
flurry cast
ivory turtle
Uhh everything on order sucked so I got the faster special
vagrant crane
lmfao
vagrant crane
in ely?
tight basin
mirage hunting blades is fun
vagrant crane
oh
ivory turtle
Ok sick
vagrant crane
early
vagrant crane
does your rotation change with +dashes
tight basin
uh
i dont think so
because flurry on spear makes you strike right after you dstrike
ivory turtle
Aight I got mirage, might get hunting next??
vagrant crane
lmfao
ivory turtle
Yeah this is the first time I ran into either of them since asphodel
vagrant crane
em3?
ivory turtle
When I forced Artemis lol
vagrant crane
can hb track theseus em3
ivory turtle
Noooooo I used all of my fated persuasion and still didn't get the duooo
At least I got epic battle rage out of it tho
It's hellbent on giving me more Poseidon what the
vagrant crane
authority proven better???
ivory turtle
authority proven better???
:O
FHDDHFB I BOUGHT ARTEMIS AT CHARIN STILL DIDNT GET IT
Could replace Poseidon dash with Artemis tho
With serrated point that could be nutty
Would that increase my odds of getting the duo?
*charon
Imma do it
STILL DIDNT GET IT DJJDHGF
cunning urchin
Would that increase my odds of getting the duo?
Nope.
cunning urchin
Serrated Point hurts your DPS if you already have Flurry Jab.
And your survivability.
cunning urchin
I think if you told us your options before you made your unfortunate choices, we could help you prevent them.
Instead of, you know, telling us after the fact that you just wasted all your rerolls or picked up Serrated Point.
cunning urchin
Yarn of Ariadne???
Yarn of Ariadne helps your duo boon chances.
ivory turtle
Y e a h
Serrated point killed me 😅😅😅
I tried to dash through the ring that the champions make when they clash but my dash was too short and I died
cunning urchin
Yeah, reduced dash distance in Hades also means reduced dash duration... and hence fewer i-frames.
solar siren
uhhh so I just got Greater Recall
should I take it for my Poseidon aspect Lightning Phalanx build?
vagrant crane
i mean
if you want to
id imagine its not as good brcause a lot of the time youll be near your stones
since you have to be in special range to quick drop them
solar siren
this is actually the first time I’ve gotten it
I think I’ll just take it for the prophecy tbh
vagrant crane
oh yeah
solar siren
alright
Hopefully I still get it later though
assuming if Greater Recall actually triggers Exit Wounds
proper furnace
greater recall doesnt make it so the casts drop asap
it makes so it once they touch the ground the comeback to you asap
proper furnace
no, casts are stuck on enemies for 15 seconds always
solar siren
oh
proper furnace
unless you have quick reload or use poseidon aspect
solar siren
I have both of those actually
proper furnace
which effect is to make enemies drop casts lodged in enemies asap with special
solar siren
for this current run
proper furnace
but even then exit wounds aint that good
cuz if your cast is built right its one shotting enemies
prob a bit of dmg on bosses assuming you arent phasing them with your casts
vagrant crane
its meh boss damage if you have nonother dps
plain river
It should pretty much only come up during bossfights and even then it’s meh damage
weary karma
Speed ran to the last fight with serrated point hammer and got absolutely destroyed after not being to dodge a single hit
valid dagger
average serrated enjoyer
vagrant crane
serrated is the real "just don't take the damage"
weary karma
Yea I copiumed myself into thinking everything would be okay after I facetanked champions and damage seemed good
Everything was in fact not ok
gleaming bramble
Hello everyone. Apart from Zeus, what's an "easy" build for Adamant Rail at heat ~13-16?
vagrant crane
drunk eris
gleaming bramble
ah yeah, since our wine friend stacks, rail has to be good with it too, why had i not thought of that
proper furnace
you also enjoy the free boost to hangover if you are using eris
cunning urchin
Make sure you get lots of poms on Drunken Strike.
neon terrace
what happens if u take ambrosia delight when ur only boon is heroic?
vagrant crane
nothing
olive zinc
would a merciful end build work well with varatha? like get attack and special doom and then ddash merciful end
vagrant crane
attack and special doom?
olive zinc
attack and special doom?
i mean one of them being doom and other adding another curse maybe aproh so i can lead into curse of longing but idk how that works with merciful end
cunning urchin
You need Divine Flourish to unlock Merciful End.
vagrant crane
you need athena and ares attack/sepcial
cunning urchin
It works just fine on spear.
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony start, Divine Flourish, then look for Merciful End and Divine Dash.
Avoid taking any boons from other gods that open up other Duo Boons until you get Merciful End.
olive zinc
oh aight
so dont try to get any duos until i get merciful end then what about after i get it would curse of longing work well or should i try to get some other duos that can work well with merciful end
olive zinc
Curse of Agony start, Divine Flourish, then look for Merciful End and Divine Das...
would merciful end still work if i got rid of divine flourish for something else
vagrant crane
i mean
olive zinc
i mean after i get the duo
cunning urchin
so dont try to get any duos until i get merciful end then what about after i get...
They have anti-synergy.
olive zinc
true
vagrant crane
curse of longing does not do anything if you have me
olive zinc
lol
cunning urchin
Taking True Shot if you happen to see it after you already have Merciful End is a common option. It'll open up Deadly Reversal.
But again, do that after you already have Merciful End.
Alternatively, you can downvote me like a certain unnamed Hades online forum and open up other Duo Boons and then make a surprised Pikachu face when you don't get Merciful End.
olive zinc
is dire misfortune any good with me build
cunning urchin
Yes and no.
olive zinc
Taking True Shot if you happen to see it after you already have Merciful End is ...
i was thinking about that but i kinda have a bias against artemis just cause i find her boons to only give critical chance
i should take artemis boons more
cunning urchin
If you see Dire Misfortune before you have Merciful End, it's a decent pick. If you see it after you have Merciful End, it's very irrelevant.
cunning urchin
i was thinking about that but i kinda have a bias against artemis just cause i f...
Yeah, she only gives you a chance to do triple damage.
olive zinc
wait no i confused dire misfortune with impending doom
i was thinking about impending doom with me
tight basin
impending doom is very good with ME
vagrant crane
good pom
cunning urchin
Impending Doom is kind of the other way around lol. You'd want to avoid it typically before you have Merciful End, but it's very strong when you have Merciful End.
It's not bad per se before ME, but especially in the early regions, it'll often take longer to finish off enemies with Impending Doom than without it if they would have died either way.
olive zinc
wait so since people also go with deadly reversal for ME buildwould parting shot work well here
olive zinc
oh so just normal cast
tight basin
with ME, the cast is just there to fill a slot for a random duo you want
and if you want to do that
at least choose something useful
deadly reversal as mention is considered the best ofc
tight basin
ik for fists, you can also go for curse of drowning with poseidon's cast
idk how well that'd translate for spear or sword tho
cunning urchin
wait so since people also go with deadly reversal for ME buildwould parting sho...
Picking up True Shot like I said is only to unlock Deadly Reversal. Otherwise you completely ignore the Cast except maybe throw it at bosses for Boiling Blood.
olive zinc
oh
vagrant crane
you mean abyssal blood of course
olive zinc
so what is the 4th god people usually use for a ME build or is it just a random god for applying curse or something
tight basin
you dont run pstatus for ME first of all
vagrant crane
you want not 4th god
and yeah pstatus boo
it's better to have more athena and ares
olive zinc
oh for poms
vagrant crane
do you do dad call for me
tight basin
secondly, zeus for call isn't bad if you really want, but the 4th god isn't necessary
vagrant crane
+100% damage
olive zinc
oh
tight basin
do you do dad call for me
yeah
cunning urchin
so what is the 4th god people usually use for a ME build or is it just a random ...
Anything that's not pommable from whoever the 4th god you run into is, that's a good starting point. Because you want your poms on Curse of Agony and Impending Doom.
tight basin
you can if you want, i saw ananke do it but ofc that's just for speed
vagrant crane
cause only other slot is call
olive zinc
so i am guessing blood vial for tarturus and athena or arte for asphodel depending on whichever one you dont get and just use hades call from elysium?
tight basin
athena into asphodel if you dont have ME and/or ddash
vagrant crane
hourglass moment
tight basin
or divine flourish
tight basin
hourglass moment
fists dont really benefit from hourglass
vagrant crane
do you force arte even
tight basin
no
vagrant crane
seems like a waste
tight basin
i wouldn't force arty in an ME build unless i get the full build in tart
olive zinc
getting full build in tart need some good rng cuz i never get what i want in tart
cunning urchin
Only two Calls you'd want to consider picking up for DPS are Zeus' Aid and Dionysus' Aid, but Dionysus' Aid only after you already have Merciful End.
Zeus' Aid is fine to pick up before so long as you (1) don't pick up Phalanx Shot and (2) don't pick up revenge boons. Because doing either of those will open up Duo Boons with Lord Zeus.
tight basin
getting full build in tart need some good rng cuz i never get what i want in tar...
yeah so that's why you're never gonna force arty lol
tight basin
well you can't force ares again for impending tbf
tight basin
but finding divine flourish, dash, and ME in tart is kinda unrealistic
cunning urchin
yeah so that's why you're never gonna force arty lol
You can potentially force her in Elysium.
vagrant crane
distant memory better
tight basin
lmao sure
olive zinc
thats 30% damage boost right i think
cunning urchin
thats 30% damage boost right i think
Yes. But that was a joke just to express that I don't really care if it's 4 gods or 5 gods.
If you're not speedrunning with High Confidence, then Acorn in Elysium isn't really necessary for DPS anyway. So if you're not doing high heat and you already got the build, might as well take Adamant Arrowhead and get True Shot next for a chance at Deadly Reversal.
Acorn and Hourglass still good options though of course. But ME builds don't particularly need Well items. The only one that would do much is Nail of Talos because that actually buffs Doom damage, but only on armored enemies.
Well, I guess on spear specifically, any Attack damage would also be decent.
neon terrace
I see now why u recommended cast builds for Achilles, this asoect is great for room clearing but does almost no damage whatsoever to bosses even with tidal dash and epic attack
compared to guan yu it's weak af
tight basin
achilles is difficult to play well lol
it has such high damage potential but actually being able to pull it off is really hard
olive zinc
man i thought i got me duo in aspho but it was just the usual Athena dialogue towards Ares relationship
grave valve
Anyone good build for Arthur aspect?
grave valve
Nvm
hexed kiln
how does one force a god?
proper furnace
Equip the keeosake they give you
It makes it so the next available boon will be that god (exceptions apply) + a rarity bonus
hexed kiln
doesn't that only work once?
proper furnace
Yeah
hexed kiln
ah
vagrant crane
but then they're in your pool
proper furnace
There is a mechanic called god pool, once you pick boons from 4 gods only those will be offered
vagrant crane
It makes it so the next available boon will be that god (exceptions apply) + a r...
c1 erebus
proper furnace
Get erebus'd
proper furnace
There is a mechanic called god pool, once you pick boons from 4 gods only those ...
(sometimes midshop makes it possible for a higher god pool but you also can force higher than 4 with keepsakes)
tight basin
or going into styx with only 3
and you get offered more than 1 different god you dont have yet
vagrant crane
but generally you'll end up with 4
tight basin
yeah generally
cunning urchin
I see now why u recommended cast builds for Achilles, this asoect is great for r...
I recommended Crystal Clarity because it does Chill and plays the game for you, so you can just drop your beams and run. If the build is strong, even dad can fall quickly. It's a less reliable build because you can just not get the things you need. But the run can potentially be a lot easier. Hunting Blades is a good option, too, but doesn't have potential for Chill.
crisp estuary
whoes the best god for boons and stuff?
tight basin
depends on the build and aspect
vagrant crane
funny way to spell aphrodite
cunning urchin
brave crest
Bow build pls. I'm really bad at the bow I guess. Also is that skill that aims the special worth it since it lowers shots from 9 to 4?
cunning urchin
Chiron at high level will have 8 arrows.
You can find my newbie build guide in the pins in #h1-for-new-players. That might be a good starting point for you. 
crisp estuary
nyaanyaa do u like hades
cunning urchin
?
Seems safe to assume that I wouldn't be writing guides or giving help for a game I don't like.
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is in the game.
Naturally I love it.
That's not even a question.
acoustic skiff
maybe he meant hades as a character? otherwise I'm just as lost with that question
vagrant crane
or the aspect
solar siren
Should I focus on upgrading Chaos, Talos or Gilgamesh next?
Just got done with Hades aspect
tight basin
Are there other options
vagrant crane
Should I focus on upgrading Chaos, Talos or Gilgamesh next?
none of the above
solar siren
uhh
there’s all the Zagreus aspects except for sword
because that bastard Skelly lied to me
plain river
Zag bow and zag shield are good, zag rail and zag fists are kinda niche, and zag sword and zag spear exist
solar siren
What should be my priority order for the rest of the aspects? I just maxed out zagshield
tight basin
After that zag bow and then the rest don't really matter lol
solar siren
Alright
vagrant crane
anyways
the game should be banned from giving you no clockets when you're on pb pace
wary adder
delta chamber
tight basin
the game should be banned from giving you no clockets when you're on pb pace
God I'd love clockets on Beowulf
cunning urchin
the game should be banned from giving you no clockets when you're on pb pace
If you just wanna grind with guaranteed Clockets, can just play hypermodded.
vagrant crane
well
tight basin
I think she tried but didn't work
tight basin
Hypermodded isn't leaderboard legal yet either lol
vagrant crane
the real solution is making hypermodded lb legal
wary adder
yet
tight basin
Idk if it'll ever be tbh
tight basin
Maybe yeah
wary adder
yeah
vagrant crane
probably cut my 1erf keys in 3/4
tight basin
I heard sub6 was really easy to get with it lol
vagrant crane
time for sub5 hestia
tight basin
Mood
vagrant crane
in like 200 runs
i have never, not once, seen purple rd
i think it's a myth
i've only gotten blue and that's with nectar
wary adder
i barely get blue
vagrant crane
well most of the time its grey
ive seen 2 blue
both nectar
or i dont get it and reset
cunning urchin
the real solution is making hypermodded lb legal
I thought you're playing for practice for yourself to beat your PB and stuff, not to place on the leaderboard at errr... what would sub 7 Hestia be.... 22nd place out of then 25.
wary adder
no rd is reset condition?
tight basin
Hestia needs Rd for boss damage
wary adder
right
tight basin
I'm no hestia expert tho
Sub7 might be doable without Rd but it might need clockets at that point
vagrant crane
I thought you're playing for practice for yourself to beat your PB and stuff, no...
well yeah but it feels like fake achievement if its not how everyone else plays
cunning urchin
well yeah but it feels like fake achievement if its not how everyone else plays
If you throw away every run that doesn't get Clockets anyway, then you might as well guarantee Clockets and save yourself a lot of wasted time looking for it.
vagrant crane
no clockets is just awful
cunning urchin
Hestia needs Rd for boss damage
I think when you push low enough on any aspect, you basically want either epic Greatest Reflex or Hyper Delivery... anything else just isn't really enough.
vagrant crane
but i think that i dont yet have the technical ability
vagrant crane
I think when you push low enough on any aspect, you basically want either epic G...
purple dashes is huge cope on hestia
tight basin
Apparently epic dashes is a big cope on hestia yeah
I mean it might be fine for sub7 tho
vagrant crane
oh well yeah
tight basin
But again idrk lol
cunning urchin
Should be enough for sub 7, yes.
vagrant crane
sub7 for people who dont suck at mechanics can sub7 with like flurry cast
wary adder
extra dashes could be good for boss damage if wave pounding?
vagrant crane
probably
vagrant crane
extra dashes could be good for boss damage if wave pounding?
150 each hit and 400 each clockets is not small
cunning urchin
extra dashes could be good for boss damage if wave pounding?
It's less for the boss damage tbh and more for the time you save just moving through rooms with +3 dashes.
vagrant crane
blue or purple hyper sprint moves fast too
cunning urchin
blue or purple hyper sprint moves fast too
It does, though not quite +3 dashes fast.
vagrant crane
unless you get too many ichors and you start overshooting aspho exits
cunning urchin
Speaking of extra dashes, still salty at this Nemesis PB. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1073362707505487973/Hades_5926.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1073362708017188974/nemesis_8.17_igt_modded.PNG
Totally unrelated, I haven't done a Nemesis attempt since that run.
Tooooootally unrelated.
(Thanks, Amir. 
)
tight basin
Ely moment
vagrant crane
elysium is truly a biome
cunning urchin
You have no idea how much and how often we high heat players complained in #520429761420591124-feedback about running out of time in Elysium because of neverending unarmored waves and stuff lol.
what we wanted: an end to neverending waves in Elysium
what we got: + Tight Deadline: your time no longer resets between regions; clearing regions adds more time
vagrant crane
what we wanted: an end to neverending waves in Elysium
what we got: **+ Tight De...
what time did it used to be
cunning urchin
Well that sorta helped lol
Idk if reducing the timer from 7min per region at max TD to 5min at max TD helped though lol. I think what really helped was fixing Dark Foresight to actually do anything at all. 
tight basin
Oh dark foresight prob was it lmao
cunning urchin
Also, I think TD to 5min was a big reason a lot of us in high heat actually started to practice speedrunning from there on lol.
vagrant crane
could you just take js3 cp2 before??
cunning urchin
If you look at the early high heat pacts in 1.0, a lot actually used TD2 lol.
vagrant crane
how much was that
cunning urchin
There were very few high heat players in early access who also did speedruns or vice versa.
vagrant crane
8m?
cunning urchin
Which is what m saying, a lot of the early high heat pacts when they changed TD ran TD2. Like... we were better at doing clean boss fights and stuff in the sense of not getting hit than the speedrunners, but the speedrunners were way better at playing fast, naturally.
olive zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820856028321021982/1078788454894293103/image.png
which one would be best to pick for a dio cast build with triple special
proper furnace
fair
olive zinc
targetting buffs the dmg of trippy shot
i was planning to like use dio cast to set off the special bombs
it works well
i have instant room cleared a lot of clumped up enemies
proper furnace
wait you have triple bomb already right?
olive zinc
yea
olive zinc
fair
devout cedar
most fun weapon aspects?
vagrant crane
HESTIA 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
cunning urchin
Hera.
deep wagon
does hermes atk speed boost affect beowulf bull rush or nah
proper furnace
it doesnt affect the charge
it speeds up the standing atk which makes it so you start charging faster
buuuut you dont use standing atks anyways
dash strikes are faster and those dont get affected by swift strike
neon terrace
I recommended Crystal Clarity because it does Chill and plays the game for you, ...
that makes a lot of sense to me, the problem is in order to not take ap2 at 50 heat, i have to go for em4 or dip into ri. losing dark foresight and rolls severely reduces my chances of getting a duo boon-based cast build, but i also dont feel like i could beat em4 with the spear
at peast, itd take a lot of attempts
cunning urchin
that makes a lot of sense to me, the problem is in order to not take ap2 at 50 h...
A good Crystal Clarity build is one of the best builds for EM4. You can do CP0 EM4 AP1.
Like I said before, it might take some resets to get what you want, but it'll be a pretty smooth run overall when you get it.
tight basin
meme beam gaming
vagrant crane
is snow burst good for clarity
tight basin
not exactly necessary but it is just free damage when you place it down
on the other hand it is an extra pommable that can get in the way from glacial glare
proper furnace
can be used to open artic blast
vagrant crane
wouldnt you not want arctic blast
arent the other t2s better
bc you want the slow
proper furnace
i like it
plain river
Arctic blast is free damage
proper furnace
you have so many beams that artic blast procs 24/7
just an extra if i already have glare and what not
aka i barely get it
plain river
you have so many beams that artic blast procs 24/7
Not exactly 24/7 since there is a cooldown between arctic blast and next time you can chill them last I checked
tight basin
i've never done a meme beam run so i wouldn't know lmao
cunning urchin
is snow burst good for clarity
Snow Burst opens up Chill t2 boons. You want Glacial Glare first. But aside from that, yes.
cunning urchin
Not exactly 24/7 since there is a cooldown between arctic blast and next time yo...
Indeed. Easiest way to see that is with Chiron, Frost Flourish, Arctic Blast.
I did write a Crystal Clarity Guide btw. #h1-builds-and-combat message
crisp estuary
maybe he meant hades as a character? otherwise I'm just as lost with that questi...
i meant the game
im with you fuco im pretty sure she lying
ivory turtle
ayyyyyy
Anyone have any silly bow builds?
I feel like every time I play bow it feels more of the same
vagrant crane
phalanx
tight basin
there's the dumb special only rama thing where it's just delta chamber rail
vagrant crane
except double strike
tight basin
wait @proper furnace isn't there that copy pasta thingy with like deadly flourish on rama
ivory turtle
wait jazz elaborate
vagrant crane
?
tight basin
lightning strike is chain lightning, so it can't get double strike
vagrant crane
you can do phalanx hera
tight basin
oh you mean that
ivory turtle
ooooooooh
tight basin
phalanx hera is just budget crush shot
vagrant crane
which funny high % on flourish
vagrant crane
phalanx hera is just budget crush shot
funny parting shot
tight basin
except your cast goes flying if you miss
tight basin
infernal
tight basin
you only ever take stygian if you want to build around trippy shot/flare
vagrant crane
theres no reason to stygian on lodging casts
vagrant crane
you only ever take stygian if you want to build around trippy shot/flare
meme beam
tight basin
fake
ivory turtle
k cool
vagrant crane
and not all non lodging
tight basin
hunting blades uses infernal lol
vagrant crane
yeah cause drops fast
tight basin
relatively fast yeah
ivory turtle
I was looking at the crystal clarity build and wasn't sure if it's good to go stygian in any other circumstance
vagrant crane
thats why i said not all non lodging
tight basin
I was looking at the crystal clarity build and wasn't sure if it's good to go st...
with meme beams, you want to pom glacial glare a ton, which increases the amount of time it stays on the field
vagrant crane
and trippy just takes aaaages to drop
tight basin
5 sec
vagrant crane
aaaaaages
proper furnace
wait <@676221149134323721> isn't there that copy pasta thingy with like deadly f...
ik the special only copypasta but never heard that one
ivory turtle
kk, so athena cast on hera, are there any duos I should go for or other combos I should keep in mind
vagrant crane
kk, so athena cast on hera, are there any duos I should go for or other combos I...
if you're silly w it you can do lightning phalanx but im p sure thats actually not good on hera lmfao
tight basin
ik the special only copypasta but never heard that one
well it was a meme or something at least
tight basin
kk, so athena cast on hera, are there any duos I should go for or other combos I...
parting shot i guess
vagrant crane
probably the sincerely held opinion of a redditor
oh yeah
parting shot
cause phalanx funny
ivory turtle
k does parting shot just make it so your casts can backstab, or does it actually give your cast that much percent?
proper furnace
i've seen a few runs with deadly flourish rama if that is what you mean lol
tight basin
yeah lol
vagrant crane
k does parting shot just make it so your casts can backstab, or does it actually...
it gives you some % and makes them able to
proper furnace
k does parting shot just make it so your casts can backstab, or does it actually...
the first + bonus backstab dmg
ivory turtle
Ohh ok
tight basin
phalanx shot on hera will also always backstab
tight basin
because big boi hit box
tight basin
you have to lodge it tho
ivory turtle
oh ok
vagrant crane
thats why it works
vagrant crane
you have to lodge it tho
just get heroic quick reload
tight basin
you can't undershoot the shot and have it travel i dont think
vagrant crane
so ez
tight basin
which means you have to land the arrow pretty much
vagrant crane
you have to... hit a shot?
ivory turtle
I was always like "why go for parting shot it seems so specific"
vagrant crane
with the bow???
ivory turtle
:OOOO
tight basin
with the bow???
could undershoot on hera
vagrant crane
i thought you were just supposed to fling your arrows every which way
proper furnace
if you want an even more stupid backstab related thing
vagrant crane
could undershoot on hera <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
blown kiss isnt real
proper furnace
inflict exposed and enjoy Than backstabs
vagrant crane
also flurry shot moment
tight basin
blown kiss isnt real
you can still undershoot without blown kiss
ivory turtle
smhhhhh
I got hammer first and they're all specials
I have charged, piercing and concentrated
do you even use special on hera????
ivory turtle
jflkasdfjl well I think I'll go with piercing, at least I can kill armor
vagrant crane
i think nyaanyaa said something about specialing to do whatever with the breakpoints or somemthing
ivory turtle
that's also a fact
vagrant crane
might have been zagbow though
tight basin
well it'd also work on hera
but if you're missing break points on hera then that's kinda sad
tight basin
but the idea is that if they're low enough, the special has a faster start up than the atk
gusty rapids
special on hera is usable in early to mid tart a decent amount
pretty often u run into something like armored thugs without a pom yet, so a shotgun special can help out
tight basin
resident hera god is here
ivory turtle
ok!! which hammer should I take??
gusty rapids
what were the options?
tight basin
I have charged, piercing and concentrated
.
ivory turtle
uhh piercing concentrated and charged
vagrant crane
relentless volley
gusty rapids
hm charged volley does the most out of those options I suppose
ivory turtle
aight Imma take it
vagrant crane
imagine if bow default was flurry and it had a charged shot upgrade
ivory turtle
That would be hilarious
aight got the cast!! I'm assuming I should pom it up like mad?
vagrant crane
yes
tight basin
that's basically the only thing you should pom
ivory turtle
sg les do dis
tight basin
the other exception would be like aphrodite atk but the cast should be doing the bulk of the damage
vagrant crane
ivory turtle
ayo??? I got flayed ambush
parting shot it is I guess
crap uhhhh it's giving me demeter or dio
tight basin
take dem for snow burst
tight basin
or rav will
ivory turtle
i hope y'all don't mind if I come on here for advise on a number of choices, I still struggle with knowing the strategy for this game lolll
ooooh
sg
cunning urchin
if you're silly w it you can do lightning phalanx but im p sure thats actually n...
Croven and I both agree that:
Croven — 01/24/2023 9:44 PM
you will probably lose your casts very quickly but for the first 10 seconds of the chamber it will be fun
vagrant crane
that's why you gotta be silly w it
tight basin
uh
cunning urchin
Roll for Snow Burst.
tight basin
yeah reroll unless you dont care for dem at all
vagrant crane
snow burst is crakt
cunning urchin
hm charged volley does the most out of those options I suppose
Oh, I quoted you in the convo before I scrolled down enough to see that you were here.
vagrant crane
I *did* get a key so this is kinda free actually
this is the behavior that'll land you in no RD jail
but this is hera lol
ivory turtle
no RD?? sorry I don't follow loll
vagrant crane
rush delivery
pretty sure you want quick reload on hera
so it doesnt matter for it
tight basin
well either or
both are good
hyper sprint -> rd is big damage
quick reload is just nice utility on hera tho
helps if you miss break points
ivory turtle
I've never gotten rush delivery :'DD
tight basin
lmao rip
vagrant crane
I've never gotten rush delivery :'DD
just like me fr
ive had multiple runs where i save 6 dice for rd and still dont get it
ivory turtle
K, what's y'alls usual room pick tiers? like poms, gems, keys, hammers, boons, what have you
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids good news: I got my first sub 7 (two of them in fact). Bad news: 'twas the second run after installing hypermodded, without much trouble, which felt rather anti-climactic.
ivory turtle
because I can go for a key or a gem rn and I feel like keys are more worth it
tight basin
K, what's y'alls usual room pick tiers? like poms, gems, keys, hammers, boons, w...
feels kinda unfair pitting blue laurels against gold laurels lol
cunning urchin
K, what's y'alls usual room pick tiers? like poms, gems, keys, hammers, boons, w...
Lady Aphrodite > all.
cunning urchin
feels kinda unfair pitting blue laurels against gold laurels lol
Also kinda impossible lol.
tight basin
yeah lol
vagrant crane
i wonder how many people have rolled a blue laurel trying to get a god
gilded wedge
most people don't notice the laurels I think, I know I didn't until I read about it
cunning urchin
Most people don't find out that empty dashes are invincible until somebody tells them either lol.
Probably some person or another lurking in chat and just finding out right now.
ivory turtle
I didn't know that a blue laurel can't become a gold lolll
cunning urchin
To be clear, your dashes lose invincibility as soon as you press Attack or anything mid-dash.
ivory turtle
I did know about dashes being invincible mostly due to me playing another roguelite and I was so confused as to why I was getting hit loll
also you gotta survive the fight against hades somehow lol
cunning urchin
It happens less frequently these days, but there was a long time when basically any time somebody mentioned that, somebody in chat would be like "wait, what??"
Same thing if you mention that you can stand right on top of Hades when he does the 360 beams and he can't hit you there.
cunning urchin
lol
ivory turtle
anyway,,,, uhhh keys or gems? I'm leaning keys because ✨ rerolls ✨
cunning urchin
Occasionally it is.
vagrant crane
if it's c21 and im at 125 buck maybe
tight basin
me when im in styx with 1 reroll and 20 gold short of buying something
vagrant crane
me when im in styx with 1 reroll and 20 gold short of buying something
i would simply not be in that situation imo
tight basin
true
cunning urchin
me when im in styx with 1 reroll and 20 gold short of buying something
Yeah, just take the Gemstone door in Styx when that happens.
tight basin
true
ivory turtle
Just wanna make sure, is it worth pomming snow burst or phalanx more?
cunning urchin
Usually Phalanx Shot.
ivory turtle
k sg
cunning urchin
It shows you the number.
ivory turtle
(thank you guys y'all are godsends)
plain river
Guys is a group term 💪
cunning urchin
🙄
vagrant crane
Guys is a group term 💪
You should respect people who don't want to be called guys 💪
plain river
vagrant crane
i bet you aren't the former wr holder for boonless mirrorless unmodded
clearly im the best player in the game
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa & jazz Correction Bureau.
cunning urchin
i bet you aren't the former wr holder for boonless mirrorless unmodded <:dusa:52...
That can't be.
I am the former wr holder for boonless mirrorless unmodded.
Are we... are we the same person? 
plain river
I’m the 『Drunken Dash Best Boon』 holder for most corrected
vagrant crane
ivory turtle
AYYYO I GOT EPIC QUICK RELOAD WITH NO REROLL
ivory turtle
that's the hope
sdlkfjsdk k tbh my strategy for rerolls absolutely sucks, so I might be annoying while I ask for advice here lol
I just forced my aphro
vagrant crane
are you in aspho or ely
ivory turtle
aspho
I'm wanting to get attack but it's not on offer
I could get dash tho
I just don't know if it's worth a dice to reroll
vagrant crane
pash dash works
vagrant crane
i mean it's not greeeat but it'll work
opens the duo
and not awful damage
weak is always nice
ivory turtle
not me intentionally triggering stubborn defiance so I can go for chaos lol
ivory turtle
I have 4 atm, but I'm using a prometheus
ivory turtle
Other options are halting shot or halting eclipse
ivory turtle
TD? sorry i'm really bad with abbreviations lol
vagrant crane
tight deadline
ivory turtle
No I don't lol
vagrant crane
what rarity is the shot
ivory turtle
AIGHT i got a grasp
ivory turtle
halting lol
ivory turtle
I can deal with that tho