iirc there's like 9 hammers on luci, eternal takes out 2 hammers (incompatible with conc beam or whatever it's called)
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
flint ember
iirc there's like 9 hammers on luci, eternal takes out 2 hammers (incompatible w...
unfortunately this is second hammer
tight basin
oh rip
tight basin
it's just budget lightning strike
solar siren
it deals SO much damage
tight basin
that's literally what it is lmao
it's lightning strike with a % boon on it
except that for a chunk of the run you dont have lightning strike
and for that chunk, it's abysmal damage
solar siren
now I get it
tight basin
but it's just a budget version of what exists
if you get sea storm in like chamber 5 then it's probably technically better?
but a thunder strike doesn't proc the bombs as good as chain lightning i would think
on the other hand those 5 chambers are gonna suck
solar siren
it does take a bit to get going
mainly the rupture and jolted boons for extra damage
as well as Flash Fire
tight basin
the rupture and jolted for extra damage bit also goes for normal luci lol
except that instead of flash fire, you'd take triple bomb
i'd assume super soaker would still take triple bomb because of how good it is
unless that's not leaderboard legal idk
solar siren
yeah I usually just put Poseidon on special anyways
speaking of Lucifer though
should I take Triple Bomb, Eternal Chamber or Triple Beam
tight basin
is this super soaker
or normal
triple bomb is luci''s best hammer, but unless you wanna commit to the bit, i would think eternal chamber is better? not sure on that one tho
tight basin
yeah I usually just put Poseidon on special anyways
also tidal dash is better because you can proc the bombs with your dash
and the poseidon special will knock back enemies away from the bomb lol
tight basin
if it's super soaker then that would make sense
well tbh like any zeus core works for super soaker as long as it's not special lol
it'd prob be better to get like any other % special
solar siren
so what about the hammer selections?
tight basin
i'd go triple because it's just good lol
eternal chamber is prob good with super soaker tho
solar siren
I’ll try Eternal cause I’ve never used it before
INFINITE SUPER SOAKER
wait
maybe aphro special for Smoldering AND sea storm
flint ember
maybe aphro special for Smoldering AND sea storm
that must be a sin
solar siren
is Talos worth focusing on next?
vagrant crane
no
vagrant crane
yes
solar siren
how is it bad though
tight basin
the pull gimmick isn't that great
vagrant crane
slow
tight basin
and the special is a considerable amount longer
plain river
Zagreus and demeter’s gimmicks are more relevant
tight basin
the bonus damage you get out of it as well is also mediocre
vagrant crane
the poseidon in question:
plain river
Pos doesn’t have to special first
tight basin
the poseidon in question:
i mean it's also pretty mediocre lmao
but pos sword just works a lot better because you dont have to apply a debuff
oh yeah also considering achilles exists lol
solar siren
what about hades spear? i know it’s not as good as Achilles but is it decent enough?
valid dagger
what about hades spear? i know it’s not as good as Achilles but is it decent eno...
It’s alright, quite hammer reliant, without Exploding Launcher as your first hammer you’re just gonna have to forget about your Special and focus on spinning and attacking which is kinda mediocre at best. The aspect can have some dps problems, although the buff is a big%, applying it is tough in some scenarios and making good use of it can also be tricky.
Whether it’s decent enough depends on what you’re doing and how you plan to play it, it’s far from the worst weapon out there.
solar siren
damn. I think I might just unlock Hestia at this point
the only ones I haven’t unlocked are the mediocre ones LOL
except maybe Poseidon blade? idk
valid dagger
They can all be pretty solid for casual play and just doing decent damage. A good Merciful End build on Hades spear, paired with the right hammers, does pretty good damage.
It’s just inconsistencies, clunkiness sometimes etc
And when you push
Both in terms of speed and heat
Hestia is very strong
solar siren
Yeah I think I’ll just unlock Hestia
I still haven’t touched it and I just remembered it
man I completely just forget about Hestia sometimes
cunning urchin
Keep in mind that Hades spear was considered high to top tier in early access, some of the other aspects just got buffed beyond it in 1.0. It's still plenty strong.
vagrant crane
HESTIA BEST ASPECT 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
cunning urchin
HESTIA BEST ASPECT 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
Did you say Chiron, Lady Aphrodite's favorite aspect, is the best aspect?
vagrant crane
🫡
cunning urchin
Agreed.
vagrant crane
harsh nacelle
any build recommendation for exagrpyh - aspect of eris?
vagrant crane
eris
harsh nacelle
I tried ares' and it feels underpowered.
vagrant crane
if you want eris you build ME but that's not choice on eris
but eris you generally get lightning strike
some high % special
aph, arty can work, demeter
vagrant crane
merciful end
it's a boon where deflect effects drop doom immediately
you need ares attack/special and athena attack/special
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike + Static Discharge > Tidal Dash > any good % on Special (not Tempest Flourish ideally).
harsh nacelle
oh I see.
cunning urchin
Poms on Static Discharge and Tidal Dash.
vagrant crane
and then you get divine dash
and then you just do massive damage instantly
but you prefer lightning on eris
easier to build and very functional
harsh nacelle
thanks. I've been doing lightning strike but I guess that its the bread n butter of exa
vagrant crane
make sure you always keep up your buff
harsh nacelle
yeah
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike is second best if you want something else for a change.
vagrant crane
your best combo is cluster + rocket bomb
triple bomb is ok but really annoying to use effectively
it messes with how you play
harsh nacelle
yeah. that's where I'm getting a hard time
harsh nacelle
oh damn. nice. thanks bro!
harsh nacelle
no worries. I'll take some ideas instead
vagrant crane
wow i actually didnt know delta was bad lol
cunning urchin
She ain't no bro. 
harsh nacelle
oh I'm sorry.
cunning urchin
Delta Chamber is great for high heat but not speedrunning.
We have pronoun roles lol.
vagrant crane
oh yeah i havent forayed as far into speedrunning yet
i just see iframes and think good
cunning urchin
Can set your own roles in #bot-commands btw.
harsh nacelle
thanks!
harsh nacelle
I might try the build later.
vagrant crane
contains a lot of different aspect guides
harsh nacelle
oh that's what I'm looking for. thanks
I'm looking to get all of my weapon to be atleast 15 heat and I seldom use exagraph.
having a hard time building around it
vagrant crane
if you have a hard time with it hestia is good but it only really works at higher levels
harsh nacelle
I always use aspect of zagreus and just build zeus, athena and artemis
vagrant crane
lets you play a lot safer
harsh nacelle
I see
vagrant crane
on zagrail spread fire is great
cunning urchin
Zag Rail is just worse Eris except for Spread Fire niche. 
Which relies on finding one specific hammer.
vagrant crane
the mods in question:
harsh nacelle
hmm. yea I see.
damn. I have to go back to work, Imma get back to this conversation later when I play.
thanks friends 
vagrant crane
is spread fire actually the best build on zagrail
or do you just play it as bad eris and get clockets
cunning urchin
The best Zag Rail build is playing Eris.
vagrant crane
so real
tight basin
or do you just play it as bad eris and get clockets
Both are good lol
Just preference
harsh nacelle
gonna try the build now. 🙂
desert meteor
Bruh I went for a rama special only build and chaos killed my run
I spent all my rolls on chaos and it never gave me a special boon, and for the 2nd chaos I sacrificed getting that ambrosia delight whatever which increases rarity of boons, for no special boon yet again
rage quit lol
cunning urchin
Flourish from Master Chaos doesn't really do anything for Special-only Rama tbh.
Your main damage will be from Thunder Flourish and Static Discharge.
And hopefully Double Strike and Splitting Bolt.
zealous brook
Hey guys im pretty new to the build scene i have one question what should i do in this situation?
where i have Heroic Divine Flourish which replaces my EPIC Curse of pain
valid dagger
Hey guys im pretty new to the build scene i have one question what should i do i...
You basically never have a scenario where both of those contend for the best Special in slot because one is flat damage and the other is a % increase, so based on your weapon it should be a pretty easy decision.
zealous brook
You basically never have a scenario where both of those contend for the best Spe...
i'm currently using Stygian blade mostly like crit build so i have merciful end and deadly reversal as duo
valid dagger
And where is Merciful End procing off of?
I assume you have divine strike
Curse of agony and true shot? Or the call
zealous brook
Curse of agony and true shot? Or the call
with true shot
valid dagger
with true shot
Well ideally in a Merciful End build, you would go for Curse of Agony instead, and Divine Flourish. Divine Flourish is very safe and it’s especially good on Sword. I cant quite approximate how good your damage is with Divine Strike and Deadly Reversal, and it also depends on your hammer and whether you have other scaling sources like Hermes or Chaos. Where you’re at in the run can impact it aswell, I would personally opt for Divine Flourish, you could try to sell Divine Strike and get force Curse of Agony instead but that’ll only work if you have enough time, aka if you’re in early Asphodel or Tart (very unlikely), it’s a ballsy play but you have the right stuff for ME and DR, just 2 cores swapped and you’re getting the chance to “fix” one of them. The other play would just be to stick with Curse of Pain, but it also depends on how many poms it has, whether you have Impending Doom, and how effectively you’re procing it with the basic Sword rotation.
zealous brook
Well ideally in a Merciful End build, you would go for Curse of Agony instead, a...
aah i got the point tbh,i could try since im just making attemptes to understand the boon flow usually, this is the 1st time im getting 2 duo boons together so i can try this and gamble a bit ,wont hurt my run since im in Elysium so.
valid dagger
aah i got the point tbh,i could try since im just making attemptes to understand...
Usually you force the first God in Tartarus so it would be Ares in this case, then you try to get 2 more gods in Tart and avoid taking cores that ruin your ME odds, those gods will be fillers and you’ll have Athena as your forth which fills the pool and unlocks ME through her Special, if you don’t naturally see her in Tart then just force in Asphodel. Then you’ll get Merciful End -> Divine Dash and Impending Doom throughout the rest of the run, ideally at the end of Aspho or by Ely midboss.
zealous brook
Usually you force the first God in Tartarus so it would be Ares in this case, th...
yeah thats what i do
1st Ares
2nd Athena
3rd Aretmis
valid dagger
yeah thats what i do
1st Ares
2nd Athena
3rd Aretmis
The third is rarely worth forcing. It implies that you either have 3 gods, which means you're going wrong since the beginning because you shouldn't be picky about the other 2 gods in your pool, or that you have 4 gods in which case why would you force a fifth. It's also a bit late in terms of getting more components to your build at Elysium. You could force Artemis if she is already in your pool and you have your build by the end of Asphodel, so that wont happen often. There's also a risk of dying given that this is a melee weapon, you could get a bad Chaos curse of just some tougher rooms and end up losing a DD or two which put you in a tight spot in the Heroes fight, especially if your damage isn't all that great.
If you want to improve damage noticeably on ME, avoid starting with Common Doom. A lot of players opt for Legacy on the mirror to improve their "consistency' when aiming for duos. But in reality, a Merciful End with a Common Doom attack is mediocre at best, even if you have all the parts.
zealous brook
If you want to improve damage noticeably on ME, avoid starting with Common Doom....
okay will try to improve my build
plain river
I spent all my rolls on chaos and it never gave me a special boon, and for the 2...
The ambrosia delight wouldn’t really have mattered there tbh
Unless you had rush delivery or greatest reflex by that point
Otherwise the right answer is almost always just taking refreshing nectar
zealous brook
If you want to improve damage noticeably on ME, avoid starting with Common Doom....
Thanks a lot, i changed the order and very next run i did, i defeated hades 😄 i was trying for days to get a good build but after changes you suggested i was able to get much better build later on thank you very much ❤️ .
i cant send my build here will try to send ss somewhere else
valid dagger
Thanks a lot, i changed the order and very next run i did, i defeated hades 😄 i...
You can send it in #h1-victory-boasting ggs
desert meteor
The ambrosia delight wouldn’t really have mattered there tbh
oh i already had the flourish
desert meteor
The ambrosia delight wouldn’t really have mattered there tbh
is that for the legendary actually?
plain river
oh i already had the flourish
Yeah and boosting the rarity of flourish is negligible compared to refreshing nectar
plain river
is that for the legendary actually?
?
flint ember
using super soaker what do i get epic jolted or smoldering air
got zeus on call and already got sea storm
lucid oar
flint ember
k
gilded wedge
absolutely, the thing that gets increased is drop time which only really impacts bosses
cunning urchin
Best Lv.1 aspect easily.
cunning urchin
Easily.
cunning urchin
You'd want Crush Shot start ideally.
tight basin
but i don't really understand anything about it lol
The tldr is just "one shot them" for hera
The longer drop time only hurts against bosses, at which point you play normal bow until you get them back lol
flint ember
would it be good to get exit wounds?
tight basin
Not necessary
flint ember
The tldr is just "one shot them" for hera
The longer drop time only hurts agains...
well thats obvs but i am saying that the drop time is a killer for me
vagrant crane
if you get stuffed on boon options it's not awful
cunning urchin
Exit Wounds would only do anything in boss fights.
You'd want Deadly Strike ideally and Pressure Points if she doesn't offer that.
flint ember
well there is only 1 way to remove any doubts about the aspect
and that is trying it
flint ember
thats it?
cunning urchin
Obviously a lot more depth to the build, but that's the most critical part.
flint ember
well yeh but as far as i understand is that i am loading a cannon with love
cunning urchin
Yes.
If you're playing on pad with default controls, remap your Cast to L1/LB or L2/LT when playing Hera.
flint ember
i am more comfy with K&M
so for bosses i load all 3 casts (or more if i have) and for normal baddies only 1?
cunning urchin
You load as many as you need to one-shot enemies.
Sometimes that's 0. Sometimes that's 3.
Obviously takes practice to learn the breakpoints for different enemy types at different points in the run.
But just try to pay attention as you go and adjust accordingly.
cunning urchin
Wouldn't buff your Attack nor the first Cast that fires.
You'd generally want Family Favorite on Hera.
I also recommend High Confidence btw because it makes one-shotting enemies a lot easier and you won't have trouble with the reduced HP because the aspect is so strong.
flint ember
yeh i was wondering why Croven had only 50hp in his speedrun
flint ember
so confusing
flint ember
ty
bro "This guide assumes knowledge of Hades speedrunning basics" i already don't meet the requirements lol
cunning urchin
Chthonic keeps your HP capped for High Confidence.
Difference probably isn't too big, but it says a lot when 100% of high level players use Chthonic Vitality 100% of the time.
flint ember
right, a large amount of heal for low total health doesn't beat low amount of heal more frequently
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight also kinda killed any argument for Dark Regeneration.
flint ember
does it matter for hera if i use stygian soul or infernal soul?
ig u can't load more then 1 in stygian
plain river
does it matter for hera if i use stygian soul or infernal soul?
Yes
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul is what you take if you want to cripple your DPS. 
flint ember
lolol
gusty rapids
ye that guide was made for speedrunning hera specifically so i figured that disclaimer at the top was worth stating lol
flint ember
ye that guide was made for speedrunning hera specifically so i figured that disc...
i only understood about half of it
btw should i prioritize chaos gates or poms>?
gusty rapids
chaos gates are pretty good for hera, they’re the only place you can get permanent cast damage bonuses or permanent extra cast stones
so take chaos to try and find those
flint ember
explosive shot does damage with the build but takes a lot of time to charge 😦
plain river
I would avoid it on hera (or really just in general tbh)
But like especially on hera
vagrant crane
right, a large amount of heal for low total health doesn't beat low amount of he...
not exactly a large amount
3 every room vs 6 every like 7 rooms
flint ember
not a large but a decent
plain river
Sincd the bulk of your damage comes from your cast
flint ember
I would avoid it on hera (or really just in general tbh)
i thought it would be better then a special hammer
flint ember
don't remember
vagrant crane
I would avoid it on hera (or really just in general tbh)
wdym? best rama hammer
cunning urchin
explosive shot does damage with the build but takes a lot of time to charge 😦
You often want to release your shots immediately from point-blank range with Hera, especially with Explosive Shot.
flint ember
You often want to release your shots immediately from point-blank range with Her...
i am gona hope for anvil in styx
cunning urchin
Explosive Shot is alright.
cunning urchin
Flurry Shot is easily the best hammer for Hera.
tight basin
flurry shot takes a bit to get used to
it's a lot easier to manage with controller than kbm from what i've heard
i can't get it to work at all with kbm because 1) my aim sucks and 2) relying on auto aim sucks
flint ember
too broke and lazy to get controller
tight basin
same
to be fair, kbm flurry hera is probably learnable and can be good
i just dont want to put in the effort
flint ember
"learnable" its gona take you 100 hours in osu/aimlabs lolol
tight basin
idk if that'll help because it's an isometric pov game lol
so somethings are a bit "off"
tight basin
well it'll help to an extent sure
but there will be times where you'll be like "that should've hit" lol
flint ember
but it would be a different kind of aim
flint ember
but there will be times where you'll be like "that should've hit" lol
that me using the bow lol
tight basin
yeah exactly lmao
soft shoal
idk if that'll help because it's an isometric pov game lol
Lmao I just use aim assist like a pleb
solar siren
I still love how good Rama is
Shared Suffering not only splits damage across multiple targets it deals extra damage to single targets too
vagrant crane
yeah
it would probably suck if it didn't\
maybe useful against js
but it wowuld put out hestia damage for having to stay still for ages
tight basin
It would def make rama less good but it's still probably good
It'd make it more hammer reliant for heat and speed tho
tight basin
It certainly helps it be very good yeah
cunning urchin
Not "ideal", but Twin and Triple are the best hammers after Flurry Shot.
And very simply, it triples your Attack damage for point-blank shots.
flint ember
i also found it decent for multiple baddies
torn rune
I might just be using the build wrong but Poseidon flood flare build seems inferior to ares slicing flare build
flint ember
do i get rare support fire or common exit wounds?
for hera
prob exit wounds right?
cunning urchin
I might just be using the build wrong but Poseidon flood flare build seems infer...
You're definitely doing something wrong if you get more DPS out of Slicing Flare.
Flood Flare start on Beowulf is probably the highest DPS build in the game.
Only real contender is Crush Shot Hera.
cunning urchin
do i get rare support fire or common exit wounds?
What's third option?
torn rune
Probably had some rng tied into it, for both my runs with slicing flare I had 4 casts instead of 3 and I had the legendary boon
cunning urchin
What's your build now?
flint ember
What's third option?
third is special floorish
cunning urchin
Probably had some rng tied into it, for both my runs with slicing flare I had 4 ...
Are you aiming for Mirage Shot asap on Flood Flare? That literally doubles your Cast damage.
torn rune
I’ve been trying to get it as fast as possible, I recently transferred to Xbox so I haven’t maxed out the mirror yet
flint ember
build is aphro on cast level 5 triple shot and quick reload
cunning urchin
Flood Flare bloodstones also drop a lot faster, so you can get more Cast bursts in the same time.
cunning urchin
build is aphro on cast level 5 triple shot and quick reload
I'd roll once for Attack or Pressure Points probably.
torn rune
Now that I’m rewatching the video where I got the build from I have a question, is high confidence important to the build?
cunning urchin
No, it just gives you more damage.
flint ember
I'd roll once for Attack or Pressure Points probably.
rolled gave me cast aid and support fire again
torn rune
Ok thank you for your help
earnest oak
Besides Merciful end what are other fun builds for Gilgamesh
Also what exactly does the special do on Gilgamesh
plain river
If you dash upper on gilgamesh you inflict a debuff that increases the damage you deal to that enemy but it also increases the damage they deal to you (and then when the debuff ends it drops damage on them similiarly to how doom does)
solar siren
would a Low Tolerance + Curse of Nausea build work on Rama? (Aphro Atk, Dio special, and Ares vengeance)
tight basin
The bulk of your damage is coming from your attack, so it'll be mediocre for the most part
solar siren
oof
Guess I’ll stick to Chiron instead for that build
since it seems to actually work there
all the hangover duos combined together are really fun to work with though
tight basin
rama doesnt really need any duos to be good tbh
if you wanted, you could go for smair
or heart rend with aprho special and arty atk
splitting headache i guess is a possibility
proper furnace
Heart rend artemis special 🧠
tight basin
true
solar siren
rama doesnt really need any duos to be good tbh
that’s true but I just really like duo boons
that’s why I like to pick one for almost every build
they’re just fun
valid dagger
Go for Lightning Rod
sterile fiber
would a Low Tolerance + Curse of Nausea build work on Rama? (Aphro Atk, Dio spec...
You don't need the duos to make that combo good. Dio special does some nice damage with a few poms
near sundial
Doing a Guan Yu attempt for the prophecy, what are some good boons?
solar siren
Oh yeah I actually need this too
since I heard Guan Yu was pretty meh and I haven’t unlocked it yet
vagrant crane
guan yu is pretty great
near sundial
Spears in general just weren't my style, but eyyy Guan Yu might just change it
You know-when you put aside the 30 max HP at the beginning.
near sundial
I just got it-
I can wait on it, but now I just don't know what I should do now
I'm gonna pull up a wheel and have that pick out what I do next.
vagrant crane
do eris
keen pivot
Eris Railgun is the fastest clear? Any help with the build? Zeus attack, what else?
tight basin
every other zeus supporting boon you can find
artemis/aphrodite special
tidal dash
rocket -> cluster bomb for hammers
keen pivot
Thanks!
solar siren
after Hestia, should I focus on upgrading Hades aspect next, or Guan Yu aspect next?
plain river
Guan-Yu > Hades
solar siren
why Guan Yu over Hades?
plain river
- personal preference
Plus Guan-Yu becomes a whole lot more playable with levels tbh
And you aren’t stuck praying for hammers with guan-yu
tight basin
it's not necessary tbh
plain river
Not really
tight basin
it just becomes a lot better with it
solar siren
oh I see
plain river
Went in for my first run in a while with Guan-Yu and never found charged skewer, still had good damage
tight basin
by this logic, hades spear really needs explosive launcher or quick spin to make it good lmao
i mean all spears are pretty hammer reliant to be fair
achilles less so, but its dps lacks without flurry
plain river
Went in for my first run in a while with Guan-Yu and never found charged skewer,...
Still pissed I didn’t get Disciple of Aphrodite thou
I met all the requirements and then Fisher King exists 
solar siren
I think I’ll upgrade Gilgamesh last (excluding the Zagreus aspects)
I never heard good things about it
plain river
Plus gilgamesh levels don’t really impact it’s gameplay too much
Zagreus aspects are good upgraded idk what you’re on about
plain river
Most are
Relative to the other aspects
zag bow, shield are good, zag rail and fist are niche and zag sword and spear are 
tight basin
zag rail can be played as bad eris lmao
it's easier than eris because you have more ammo and dont have to stand in your special
solar siren
tbh I kinda assumed that the others were bad because I first saw the zag sword
damnit skelly you made me waste Titan blood
tight basin
get scammed
plain river
Zag fists > talos tbh
vagrant crane
that’ll probably be before sword and spear
the nemesis in question:
solar siren
I also just forgot about Poseidon blade too
uhh I don’t really know what to think of that aspect
vagrant crane
poseidon is decent
proper furnace
Poseidon is the best if you dont wanna play sword
tight basin
I prefer 185in Achilles guide more than the one on the website tbh
But tbf not everyone cares about speedrunning lol
still vortex
Does curse of drowning count as splash damage for triggering sea storms?
proper furnace
it doesnt do knockback pretty sure
still vortex
Aw
pine scaffold
which one
im running a hades build
https://imgur.com/a/Zr0GhZ2
i have jolted for attack
tight basin
i have jolted for attack
Splitting bolt
By a huge mile
You're constantly applying jolted so there's no point in cold fusion
solar siren
Got Guan Yu to level 3, the website told me not to touch it at all until it was decently leveled
Is level 3 a good enough level to try it now or should I just max upgrade it and then use it later?
errant narwhal
i only ever tried it at lv 1 and it was a fun challenge
it will be pretty difficult but you can try, max upgrade is definitely the easiest i would assume
solar siren
I still have no idea why the aspect halves your HP at max 
strange lark
tight basin
Just don't die
near sundial
lol
proven osprey
Good
tight basin
@vagrant crane what's your keepsake rotation for your hestia speedruns btw
just curious
tight basin
because hourglass into styx seems interesting
tight basin
makes me wonder what you're taking into ely lol
vagrant crane
if i have aph strike and a decent special i'll do zeus
hourglass lol
if i have aph strike and no speciall i do arty
tight basin
i mean into aspho it's whatever, that's flexible
vagrant crane
oh then yeah hourglass for ely and styx
tight basin
should consider acorn for styx
vagrant crane
idk what else to take for styx
tight basin
keep high confidence up
cunning urchin
Acorn yeah.
vagrant crane
idk if it's worth bothering
vagrant crane
especially cause i got like 2 jerkies or something from stores
cunning urchin
You already get the Hourglass bonus anyway if you equipped it in Elysium.
tight basin
wells in styx are fairly rare i think
tight basin
well they feel like it lmao
cunning urchin
Jerkies are great but it's a gamble on finding 1 good Well in the first tunnel to get any value out of Hourglass.
tight basin
anything you buy before styx in the well will last until dad fight
vagrant crane
i still havent used hourglass on my personal save lmfao
cunning urchin
If the Well is in 2nd tunnel, then Hourglass does nothing for you.
vagrant crane
distant memory better imo
tight basin
they're 6 encounters
so like, first tunnel is 4/5 encounters and 2nd tunnel is 3 encounters
ichors are 8
so like, if you get a well in the second half of the 1st tunnel then it'll last until dad fight
not really worth hourglass
vagrant crane
ig
tight basin
maybe for unmodded you can make a case for hourglass? but acorn is gonna be more consistent
esp considering the lower time you want, anything more than a 2 or 3 sack is gonna kill the run
but youre modded so you dont have to worry about that
vagrant crane
running unmodded seems awful
torn rune
What’s the strongest build for Hera bow? I know I need crush shot but what else?
proper furnace
snow burst, pom the cast and grab any cast dmg/extra casts from charon wells or chaos
thats it really
hyper sprint + rush delivery/quick reload good too
soft shoal
also mirage shot
vagrant crane
kinda annoying to get
and it's only bugged on dio
like big 30 is big 30 but still
tight basin
30% is the same as the lowest chaos bonus you can get lol
You don't aim for it, but arty and pos have good supporting boons for Hera so you might as well have it available
tight basin
I wouldn't think so
tight basin
I mean it's just an extra hit that does 30% of the original amount
If it was multiplicative someone would've mentioned it by now
Or no one cares about looking at numbers lol
vagrant crane
no
because adding 30% cares about prior input
thats why multiplication is more pure
a number alone wont tell uou what percent it is of the original number if uou dont bave the original
tight basin
Can you simplify that to dumb terms
tight basin
do 100 because it's easier to take % of that
vagrant crane
that 75 alone wont tel you that it’s, say, represenying 50% ectra on 50
so
if uou try to add another 50% on
you cant tell whether to multiply it by 1.5 or to do something else
tight basin
another 50% would just make it 100 damage wouldn't it
vagrant crane
but if you increase it by 50% its just multiplied by 1.5
yeah it would
but 50% tacked on to 75 is not 100
its like
107.5
tight basin
oh that makes sense
vagrant crane
befause adding another 50% is multiplying it by like
4/3
rather than 4.5/3
it cares about the original input
multiplication though
501.51.5
75*1.5
its all the same
gilded wedge
type \ in front of * to prevent italics
ivory turtle
hoya
Ok, someone give me a boon to start with and on what slot and I'll have to play it on an aspect I've already chosen
vagrant crane
heartbreak strike
tight basin
oh that's actually fine
ivory turtle
I'll keep y'all posted :DDD
welp I had to use all of my fated persuasion
but I got it in epic so lesgooooo
vagrant crane
well yeah
proper furnace
lmao get vorimed
vorimed is straight up not getting the boon in all rolls tho
vagrant crane
if all else fails just play bad zagrail
tight basin
a good doom level on hestia atk is basically another atk from hestia damage wise lmao
tight basin
okay but is it funny
vagrant crane
most of my hestia speedruns end up with like 700 attack by the end
tight basin
i'd argue MEstia is funnier
vagrant crane
what tart exits do you expect for a sub7
vagrant crane
oh im near track then
tight basin
i'm not a hestia expert, but your biggest time save is in the first 2 biomes
vagrant crane
i get like 150
tight basin
ely can suck a ton if you dont get good hammers or chaos damage
vagrant crane
probably good to reset if shtty chaos luck
tight basin
probably good to reset if shtty chaos luck
well just play it out
it's good to get the practice in
vagrant crane
my laptop is piss rn
tight basin
learn good room clearance, spawn manips etc
tight basin
my laptop is piss rn
i mean you still need to practice for the sub7
and you'd have to practice ely
vagrant crane
apparently my processor failed
vagrant crane
zeus?
ivory turtle
ooooh i like that
tight basin
yes
ivory turtle
oh on zeus yes lol
vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
but also zeus flourish lol
tight basin
dio also works if you want to be quirky and different
vagrant crane
lmao why though
ivory turtle
I love how zeus is good on his own aspect
vagrant crane
jolted get
tight basin
lmao why though
i mean why not
ivory turtle
dionysus is fun because they just decide "aight i'mma just die now" on their own accord loll
tight basin
flat damage is festive
ivory turtle
Imma go for Zeus
tight basin
iirc it might've been like lvl 3 until styx
tight basin
this is why we tdash
why would i get tdash
vagrant crane
you mean tou domt go for sweet nectar? the best boon evar?
tight basin
well i just didn't happen to find it
ivory turtle
curse of nausea and low tolerance is just nutty
tight basin
forcing pos is dumb for zeus shield lmao
vagrant crane
did u force ares
vagrant crane
2 aph cores tho
tight basin
yeah
vagrant crane
seems aph in tart-y
tight basin
well aphro can show up later lmao
ivory turtle
once I was being lazy and didn't want to make my build special and I happened to get exclusive access in tart
tight basin
it's not like it's impossible to get more than 1 core from a god
ivory turtle
it was very fun
vagrant crane
exclusive access and sweet nectar are what comes of a low tolerance tdash build
tight basin
sweet nectar is what happens when you play hera lmao
or hestia
exclusive access is weird to find because pos and dio aren't really gods you want to have in your core at the same time
except like trippy beo
vagrant crane
chiron
i got both when i played chiron to prove that reddit guy wrong
insanely lucky run
pommed the special to hell
still super clunky
ivory turtle
Ok, should I pom up attack or special here?
vagrant crane
this is zeus right
ivory turtle
yee
vagrant crane
do you have jolted yet
ivory turtle
no I don't yet
vagrant crane
prob special
ivory turtle
aight sg
ok this is a fun build lol
lernie just evaporated
oh shoot i got explosive return
but then there's also empowering flight and I'm running a bit of an attack-centric zeus build... idk
tight basin
explosive return is better
empowering flight doesn't proc until you recall the shield'
explosive return is the 2nd best hammer for zeus at this heat
tight basin
oh bangin run
ivory turtle
wait wym by 206 sorry I'm relatively new to the community lol
proper furnace
Hp ig
ivory turtle
oh sHOOT
I need to watch speedruns of this game, I genuinely don't know how people go that fast
proper furnace
Get the boons and rooms™
tight basin
ares atk
ivory turtle
aight, ares attack on chiron, let's see how this goes
I'm thinking about getting dio on special if I can so I can get angry hangover
I'm going to try doing extreme measures hades for the first time
let's see how this goes
ivory turtle
shoooot
vagrant crane
next run 223 leaving tart lmfao
ivory turtle
welp i guess i shouldn't try to fight charon if I suck at it loll
vagrant crane
charon suck is generally based on ur experience with it
ivory turtle
funny thing is I beat it first try
And I haven't beaten it since
then again that may have been my god mode days
ivory turtle
charon suck is generally based on ur experience with it
yeahhh that tracks
I wish it came up more frequently
aight, random boon anyone? lol
vagrant crane
heartbreak flourish
ivory turtle
okie, arthur heartbreak lesgoooo
tight basin
next run 223 leaving tart lmfao
it do be like that
unarmored witches and numbskulls?
vagrant crane
also boon rng
also this is utterly crazy
841 but
lets see
4 extra pos boons
and 0 breaking wave
so i got stuffed in styx
5 actually
i sold one to afford hermes
and rolled
got purple reflex but no hyper sprint
tight basin
lmao it do be like that
vagrant crane
i had blue rd and purple movespeed
i got a swap in tart for epic arty special --> aph
so you know i took it
tight basin
is bwave that important on hestia actually
vagrant crane
yes
tight basin
like ik it's good so you look for more poseidon
vagrant crane
styx is so annoying without it
tight basin
is it lol
vagrant crane
you're sitting there reloading your gun and waiting for your rocket
tight basin
i normally just cope with whatever pos gives me
i wouldn't roll over hydraulic might for instance
or shoals
vagrant crane
i got
purple might
purple wave pounding
grey shoals
blue fury
also ares was mean
gave me blood frenzy instead of battle rage
tight basin
just get the boons
vagrant crane
also my chaoses were eeeh
i accidentally rolled twice on my firs tone
so i got 30% attack and 60% undamaged
there was purple attack but enshrouded
starting a new run with no rocket is so weird
vagrant crane
imagine speedrunning with no tdash
ivory turtle
Oh my gosh
i justs came up with the stupidest build and i love it
basically
heartbreak flourish
on zeus shield
Then pom/rare crop it to like 300%
then get pressure points and hunter's mark
and profit
i had ticks hit for like 600 it was insane
Unfortunately I am diagnosed with bad at this game so I died
but
it was fun
cunning urchin
imagine speedrunning with no tdash
Heartbreak Strike, Smair, Proud Bearing. Gonna need more resets, though.
mortal sapphire
Was just practicing arthur on skelly when I did the special (aura is elsewhere) and then dash immediately afterwards. The problem was the special didn't cause any damage. Is this expected / a known bug? Or am I just hallucinating because it is actually kinda late here (almost 1am)..
I guess I'm just wondering if I need to purposefully delay dashing immediately after the special animation landing, or if I just somehow didn't notice damage and it's all just imagined in my head. For what it's worth - I haven't been able to do the same since, so maybe the answer really is "don't worry about it", and I guess I get that.... but the engineer in me makes me want to ask if anyone else has seen this 😅
plain river
there was purple attack but enshrouded
Take enshrouded and just get the boons
solar siren
is the Lightning Rod boon good for a Poseidon Lightning Phalanx cast build?
solar siren
alright
cunning urchin
It's decent tbh. It's what Exit Wounds would like to be.
solar siren
why does Lightning Phalanx on Poseidon deal so much damage 
valid dagger
Probably because you haven't played Beowulf
tight basin
Or Achilles
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot has high base damage and great scaling.
solar siren
huh, never tried phalanx shot on Achilles or Beowulf
I always just go for the staying casts and Stygian Soul with those
solar siren
I guess any cast works on any cast weapon like Hera
hmmm
Dionysus cast Hera
that sounds fun
valid dagger
I guess any cast works on any cast weapon like Hera
welp
That's kinda true
Most things will work at lower heat and when not pushing for top times
But yea if you want good damage there's like 1 top tier option and 2 decent ones, and the rest is trash 
solar siren
what are those options? And what are their generally preferred casts and such?
vagrant crane
crush shot, crush shot, crush shot
valid dagger
what are those options? And what are their generally preferred casts and such?
Crush Shot is the best on Hera by far. The other solid options are Phalanx Shot and Trippy Flare. They're either needy/inconsistent or just have other problems that make them overall inferior to Crush Shot.
vagrant crane
the 1 cast in question:
gusty rapids
flood shot is also ok
solar siren
I think I wanna try Trippy Flare
Having the opportunity to just shoot out an instant Ice Wine/Scintillating cast combo with Jolted sounds fun
although
ice wine’s startup is already faster than trippy shot/flare for everything else so I guess it wouldn’t accomplish much
valid dagger
ice wine’s startup is already faster than trippy shot/flare for everything else ...
On the flare version Ice Wine just adds a delay so it’s not that great. However, Mirage Shot is bugged on flares and does 100% on the second shot instead of 30% so that’s what you should be aiming for.
valid dagger
Flares are weird
solar siren
nah I think Beo is just weird with quite a few casts
actually
i wonder if hunting blades Beo could work
vagrant crane
haelian did freezing vortex so it's clearly the best flare
proper furnace
i wonder if hunting blades Beo could work
cant get it
solar siren
oh really? damn
tight basin
yeah it'd be great if slicing flare on beo could seek for the 0.5 seconds it's active
heady fjord
is support fire on the zeus disc
notoriously broken
because wtf is this 😂
Im wiping everything
plain river
notoriously broken
Not in particular
plain river
Yeah but it’s not adding much
heady fjord
when u shove them in a corner its busted
probably isnt much im fairly new
....
this game is killing people left and right, and i cant swear in here?
tawny knoll
Certain words are fine
plain river
Check rule 2
cunning elk
Check rule 34 
ruby siren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHBh9TcrdA my latest attempt at 24 heat (nsfw for swearing) any advice on how to get thru dad/ the rest of the underworld would be highly appreciated 💜🖤💜
ruby siren
this game is killing people left and right, and i cant swear in here?
lol this rule makes me frustrated too 😂 been trying not to curse in my videos lately n it's bleeding into the rest of my life n making me say corny shtuff like 'that run was hard as anything!' and 'shtuff'
deep wagon
i just unlocked aspect of guan yu, is it worth learning to play or should i stick w achilles?
ruby siren
guan yu can be pretty incredible bc of the ability to regenerate health. the problem u run into is the 3rd n 4th bosses who can liteally 1shot u bc of the reduced max health. i believe feeding it titan blood reduces the hp debuff, (i thinkkkk) so u might want to level the aspect up before attempting a run w it
proper furnace
spam it with charged skewer
ruby siren
my fave way to use guan yu is putting athena on attack. wen u use the spin it literally deflects every projectile in the entire room
vagrant crane
it's more effective to get a high % scaling special and cskewer
wheres that nyaanyaa guide
ruby siren
why not both :3
i use the atk wen my health gets low, special wen it's maxed out, usually
vagrant crane
proper furnace
you mainly use spin between waves
so you dont get caught and destroyed by enemies
quick spin helps on that
ruby siren
def. also the one that makes the spin travel further. without quick spin it's extremely hard to use, pretty much useless w forced overtime
vagrant crane
2 spin hammers are cope tho because no cskewer = bad build
vagrant crane
how big is massive spin anyways
proper furnace
big
ruby siren
spin builds can be fun
yes! thank u
vagrant crane
the real way to play gy is to play hestia
tight basin
i did a guan yu spin build the other day
it was kinda fun
quick spin guan yu was a lot more interesting than charged skewer guan yu
vagrant crane
is charging from a dstrike faster
like with beo
guide says to charge from dstrike
ruby siren
agreed the skewer is veryyy repetitive altho it can be fun as well
tight basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHBh9TcrdA my latest attempt at 24 heat (nsfw f...
was the goal here just 24 heat, or did you want to do em4, js3, and td0 lol
ruby siren
what are those acronyms lol im slow
tight basin
heat pacts
ruby siren
ahhhh
tight basin
they're all 2 words so the beginning of both words
td is tight deadline
also they're pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
ruby siren
yea im determined to beat it w the pact settings i have lol
tight basin
aight then that's fair enough
vagrant crane
at that rate you might as well do 32
tight basin
it's probably one of the hardest ones you can do but sure lol
ruby siren
thats good to kno tbh. my longer-term goal is 32 so if i can do 24 w these settings then the additional stuff i add on top to get to 32 will be a little more manageable
ruby siren
fair enough. either way then, taking those off will be like removing training weights lol
vagrant crane
best to learn is probably lc4 and fo2
tight basin
thats good to kno tbh. my longer-term goal is 32 so if i can do 24 w these setti...
32 heat doesnt have em4 or js3 lol
when people take em4 and js3, they're typically around 50 heat
tight basin
fair enough. either way then, taking those off will be like removing training we...
em4 doesn't help you get better at 32 heat if you dont take em4 at 32 heat lol
tight basin
fair enough. either way then, taking those off will be like removing training we...
also the only pact you have taken that'll be "training" for 32 heat is like bp2 and kinda fo1 lol
oh and mm
well i guess by extension, you'll also learn em3 by taking em4 lol
ruby siren
im so sad, i literally just had one of the coolest n most OP builds ive ever had n came rly close to beating 24 heat for the first time, but i just wasnt as on-point as i could have been bc i clipped one of my fingernails too short n pressing keys w that finger hurt rly bad xD
vagrant crane
do funny ME
is ME actually reasonable for your first 32 actually
probably too much dmg tkaen
ruby siren
it was demeter aspect malphon w smoldering air + poseidon's call w rip current n billowing strength, zeus on atk n aphro on spcl which was buffed w the hammer that turns it into a ranged atk AND quintuple dash to round it all off. i literally spent 75% of the match invincible while using the call/dashing around yet still managed to die lo
ruby siren
is ME actually reasonable for your first 32 actually
whats ME?
vagrant crane
merciful end
ruby siren
ahhh
tight basin
it was demeter aspect malphon w smoldering air + poseidon's call w rip current n...
pos call doesn't really give you more damage
vagrant crane
it's like a worse athena call
tight basin
it's pretty marginal compared to other good calls like zeus or dio
athena is also good for this purpose yeah
ruby siren
idk, w smoldering air & billowing it was working wonders for me
about 450 w each hit, 4 each time i used it and charged up every 5 seconds
cunning urchin
is ME actually reasonable for your first 32 actually
Best option for Malphon.
tight basin
about 450 w each hit, 4 each time i used it and charged up every 5 seconds
dio or zeus call easily does more than that, and you can attack while you're in it lol
vagrant crane
well yeah but best and malphon don't generally go together
ruby siren
plus took out all his pots/skulls
vagrant crane
probably harder if you do that ap1 32 pact lmao
tight basin
plus took out all his pots/skulls
that's like the only niche in where pos call is better than the other two lol
vagrant crane
i mean like
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid is good.
tight basin
because you just have the mobility to take out the extra stuff
ruby siren
dio/zeus dont make u invincible tho lol. & the animation for zeus in particular makes visibility difficult
tight basin
you dont need to be invincible if they're dead
cunning urchin
All Calls give i-frames on activation.
vagrant crane
yet another reason why beo is inferior
ruby siren
also they do
im talking about during the entire call tho lol
cunning urchin
you get 0.4s of iframes when you call
Idk where you have the number from, but it's a good amount of i-frames.
vagrant crane
from the hades bugs document
"All Call Boons
(Very possibly intended)
Gives just over 0.4 seconds of invincibility when a call is used"
cunning urchin
No idea where he got that from either.
cunning urchin
But anyway, the i-frames on Call activation is plenty yeah.
ruby siren
without rip current & smoldering it's maybe my least fave but with those two plus pommed for additional time it was incredible. bout 2nd closest i got to finishing w those conditions, n that was just bc i was playing pretty poorly compared to usual. spending 75% of the battle invincible & being able to disable all the traps/healing was awesome. i could see why others would prefer zeus/dio calls, it felt somewhat cheap just spamming the call repeatedly & not being able to do anything else while splashing around
rip current is also amaaazing for jury summons bc it pulls all the enemies in. and for phase 1 of dad
vagrant crane
on dad you generally just ignore the summons
tight basin
well i can't speak for em4
vagrant crane
oh
tight basin
but i do know that some summons are horrible
vagrant crane
right
ruby siren
normally would, but this build made it easier to take them out
vagrant crane
but i do know that some summons are horrible
crystals :(((
invincidad ruining my times
ruby siren
yesss thats what he did this time and i literally just pulled all the little ones in and they popped instantly
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid is good call, but you're overrating it somewhat tbh.
ruby siren
they make me so mad wen they take out my acorn hits immediately bc they do repeated instances of tiny damage
vagrant crane
that's the lowest possible absorption right
ruby siren
Poseidon's Aid is good call, but you're overrating it somewhat tbh.
lol i think i just got defensive bc everyone was dissing it. like i said, normally it's one of my least faves
tight basin
yeah
ruby siren
some take tooth into dad fight because of that
yea, i sometimes do, like ill occasionally do acorn for elysium & tooth for dad
ruby siren
butterfly ball moment
lol exactly
vagrant crane
collar supremacy
tight basin
oh technically collar would be better if you ended up in dad fight with 3 dds lol
vagrant crane
i always took collar
tight basin
unless you have the athena dd refill that gives you more hp when you revive i think
idk
ruby siren
collar is hp right?
tight basin
yeah
ruby siren
i think tooth will pretty much always add more right? if ur health is more than 100 then the half HP u get from DD exceeds 50. unless im getting something wrong
vagrant crane
collar with 3 dds is 125
vagrant crane
unless you have the athena dd refill that gives you more hp when you revive i th...
wouldnt that make it better
tight basin
idk
ruby siren
OHHHH okay i get it
ruby siren
bc each DD will restore more HP wen ur max is +50
vagrant crane
yeah
ruby siren
plus the skelly revive always gives u 100 instead of half
vagrant crane
if you're playing for safety 100 is less than half
cunning urchin
lol i think i just got defensive bc everyone was dissing it. like i said, normal...
It's fine, I think jazz and Bananas are both underrating it somewhat while you're overrating it somewhat lol.
vagrant crane
i remember i asked once when i was still using arthur "does everyone end up with minotaur's toughness at the end of the run"
ruby siren
It's fine, I think jazz and Bananas are both underrating it somewhat while you'r...
fair assessment lol
vagrant crane
i find it annoyingly clunky
ruby siren
i find it annoyingly clunky
ME TOO it's one of my least used aspects for sure
tight basin
i just wouldn't use pos call for dps
vagrant crane
i mean pos call
tight basin
i'll just do a drive by if time permits but i dont see the damage as valuable
vagrant crane
it's annoying to deal damage with
cunning urchin
i find it annoyingly clunky
You play on KBM. KBM players never seem to like it.
vagrant crane
lmao
tight basin
i found movement with pos call fine tbh
vagrant crane
movement itself is fine but trying to deal damage to a boss is weird
ruby siren
steering it into enemies is a bit of a weird mechanic but ive found ways to do it pretty effectively
rip current takes care of that for everything but bosses
cunning urchin
Anyway, @ruby siren, haven't had a chance to look at the run yet, but it's good to see you push out of your comfort zone this time when asking for feedback.
ruby siren
Anyway, <@963881702474776596>, haven't had a chance to look at the run yet, but ...
thankyuuu!!! that was a rare occurence lol it's not rly much fun to play runs that arent at least somewhat of a challenge
cunning urchin
Sword and Fists are generally considered to be the worst weapons for EM4. If you want to practice EM4 runs with Nemesis, you're in for a rough time.
It's like... exponentially more difficult than using shields or bow or rail.
tight basin
isn't sword the worst em4 weapon assuming you get long knuckle on fists
cunning urchin
Possibly.
vagrant crane
just don't take the damage
tight basin
got a point there
cunning urchin
For example, you're forced to dash more just to take out the skulls. And because that is also slower, you're forced to dash more just to evade more of the skull shockwaves. But because you have to dash more just to take them out, you have fewer dashes to i-frame shockwaves while at the same time having to deal with more of them... But your DPS also comes primarily from dashes...
vagrant crane
do you just end up standing striking