h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

With ap1 or ap2, and/or ri1, you lose a ton of control over your build

[valid dagger]

So probably watch a run with an average build or a reasonably bad build to get more of a feel for the mechanics

Instead of just seeing someone get a really good build and shred everything

[tight basin]

can we get baj to do a 50 heat shackle run

[lucid oar]

watch my guan yu run it’s such an average build

[valid dagger]

You can find a bunch yea

[tight basin]

I wish I recorded my 50 heat beo run

[valid dagger]

Well

Do it again

[tight basin]

Well I don't think I'd get the same terrible build

[plain river]

Do it again with icy flare

[tight basin]

No

[valid dagger]

There is a Baj run it's like 40 heat but you can learn a lot from it about Zeus

It might've started Shackle I dont remember but it ended up with common aphro special or whatever

[tight basin]

Yeah I watched the 40 shackle run

[plain river]

I read all the text he put before that

Then watched the video

[valid dagger]

Nice now go ahead and do some 50 heat attempts to try it in action

[plain river]

I’m actively failing at 40 heat don’t even

[tight basin]

Lmao rip

[twin cloak]

Zeus shield is black magic

[neon terrace]

40 is very different from 50. If we say 40 is like twice as hard as 32, 50 is like 3x as hard as 40 if not more

and 58+ Idek how it's even humanly possible but some people are just built different

it took me ages to even finish 32 on every weapon, but after doing 40 on every weapon I feel like I could do 32 heat on all aspects in less total attempts than Ive spent on 50 alone and I havent even beaten it once yet

[covert inlet]

how much of that is the accumulated game knowledge you got between 32 and 40 tho? not that you didn't understand the game by 32 heat but you must have accumulated even more nuanced understanding by the time you got 40

[twin cloak]

the higher you push your heat the more exponentially difficult it gets

n high heat is a very specialized skillset

you have to start dealing with bad builds instead of forcing good ones

[iron karma]

so adapting to what the game throws at you?

[ashen shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1061804522529370142/image.png gun supremacy

[neon terrace]

well nothing in the game is actually "bad" per se, technically so long as you have your slots filled or Shattered Shackle anything's usable. But once you get higher heat if certain parts of your builds aren't ideal, it starts to become really, really painful to deal with

and Shattered Shackle alone starts to feel super insufficient damage in the later parts of higher heat runs

[twin cloak]

shackle problem is it's not amazing on fast attacking weapons and also locks you out of using other keepsakes which could be vitally important

it's an option, just a questionable one

[tight basin]

yes, especially with approval process 2

a good example of this is retrash, who has many 50 heat clears and starts coin purse

and his build is all over the place but he's just good at the game

Im pretty sure anyways

[neon terrace]

yeah sometimes I have Than rooms where he literally only kills 1 or 2 meanwhile I had to kill 38-40 or more, dude just sucks at killing

[neon terrace]

ive seen a few where it seems like he conveniently gets good stuff though. but ofc he's insane at the game

[blazing grove]

Hey weird question, if I have that one duo boon where all my later obtained boons have a minimum rarity of Rare, and then take Refreshing Nectar to have the next 3 boons I find have upgraded rarity, will that mean I'll be more likely to get Legendary/Duo boons given I meet the requirements, or does the "upgraded rarity" thing only apply up to Rare?

[tight basin]

first of all, the duo is guaranteed epic

secondly, no

well

refreshing nectar does make it more likely to get legendary/duos

but that's not because of the duo boon as well

that's just an inherent trait of the nectar (and yarn for that matter)

[blazing grove]

Epic, that's what I meant by the upgraded rarity, my b, but OK good to know

[tight basin]

yarn and nectar both make it so boons are minimum rare

and boosted chance for higher rarity stuff

[neon terrace]

well if you already have eclusive access already, and then have opened up some duos and legendaries, does that mean if you get refreshing nectar it guarantees at least one of those duos/legebdaries will show up the next time you run into an eligible god?

like let's say you have exclusive access and brilliant riposte, then get refreshing nectar from eurydice, then the next room you get an athena boon, would that athena boon be guaranteed to offer you divine protection?

[tight basin]

those are separate things

it's not guaranteed, nectar just increases rates

epic boons aren't upgraded to legendary boons

because that's not how boon rarity works

[neon terrace]

oh I thought nectar guarantees a higher rarity offering

does that mean if you have exclusive access then refreshing nectar's pointless to get

[lucid oar]

It still increases duo chance ig

But generally yeah

[tight basin]

well it's not pointless if you're duo hunting

if you haven't gotten the duo you wanted then it's good to take

[twin cloak]

I mean, you only see the builds where he wins

and not the countless others where he dies

[covert inlet]

what's the rationale for starting coin purse? is he prioritizing well items? boons or poms from charon?

yeah but it's hard to imagine that's enough money to meaningfully improve your run. what's the best roi for that money? or is he just showing off that he can clear high heat with a useless amount of money

[iron karma]

money=cool

[covert inlet]

alright man I'm running out of ways to ask what the best use of that money is because it doesn't seem like much to me. I'm trying to understand. Am i in the wrong place to ask gameplay questions or are you just feeling extra obtuse

[plain river]

Buy boons from shops

Also well items from charon are really useful

But starting with coin purse is kind of an odd choice tbh

[thorn tendon]

purse is 150

unmodded ap2 ri1+ there’s no guarantee you start with a good boon, or even get one soon at all

[covert inlet]

ok perfect. I'm trying to figure out which items are good value for the money. some well items seem generally helpful like jerky and some are useless like fishing points but others I'm not sure. eg, are you guys buying chaos/infernal gates? infernal troves?

similarly, how willing are you to steal money from charon? it seems too high risk/reward

[plain river]

Chaos gates yes

Infernal troves no

Honestly I’ll take charon in tartarus just because it’s tartarus and either I die or he dies and if I die it was only tartarus

[plain river]

But only if you feel comfy for time

[covert inlet]

awesome

[tight basin]

what if you have a good tart tho

3 chaos skips

or 2

[covert inlet]

his encounter doesn't scale right? like he has the same hp and attacks in tartarus as in asphodel?

[tight basin]

yes

[plain river]

The main reason he feels like a tough boss fight is usually just because you don’t fight him often tbh

[covert inlet]

what do you mean by chaos skip?

[plain river]

Chaos is a free room

Doesn’t take (much) time off the timer

[covert inlet]

ohhh

thanks that's helpful

[gray moon]

regarding Parting Shot Duo, I have seen it trigger when hitting enemies in the frost, but only when hit with an Arrow from Hera bow. Is that intended?

[oblique gyro]

Does anyone have a good build for the Aspect of Beowulf?

[tight basin]

Flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot

Mirage shot is bugged to do 100% bonus instead of 30% on Beowulf so abuse that

[tight basin]

Are you by chance using phalanx shot

[gray moon]

I am

[tight basin]

Because the hit box on that is so large that it can backstab from the front

For other casts it won't work

[gray moon]

oh, all the more reason to go with Phalanx Shot. Not that I needed another....

[tight basin]

Well for Hera it's the 2nd best option

Crush shot is better in like every single way

[gray moon]

hmm, never had much luck with that one. Doesn't the damage scale worse on it?

also felt awkward to use last time I tried it

[tight basin]

Nope

It's only good on Hera

Crush shot sucks because of the short range even tho it has the highest damage for a cast

Hera fixes that problem

[gray moon]

And here I thought, for 1st pick, it would be Dionysis

[tight basin]

Also if you miss a cast, Hera drops where you shoot

Phalanx goes to narnia

[tight basin]

It just requires too much rng to be good consistently

Also mirage bug mentioned above will apply to that lol

[gray moon]

guess' i'll try Crush shot again. though, backstabbing from the front is very nice

[tight basin]

Idk if phalanx parting shot is more damage than crush shot

But crush shot not going off to narnia is really nice imo

And it's also just good damage so can't complain

[gray moon]

+85% damage on back stab seems too nice to pass up

and base damage is just 85 vs 90, unless Crush shot got buffed when I wasn't looking

[tight basin]

Isn't it 35

I don think shadow presence gets affected by it anyways

Because it says atk and special doesn't it

[gray moon]

yea, but the whole point of parting shot is that it gets the benefit from backstabbing

so why wouldn't it genefit from the 50%?

one at a time?

[tight basin]

Lmao hold on

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Lmao tree got muted

[gray moon]

at epic, it seems almost the same damaage?

[tight basin]

Oh can phalanx shot do wall bug

Either way

Parting shot takes a bit of time to get going, and your cast flying all over the place can suck

Crush shot doesn't have the problem of having it fly everywhere

[plain river]

Iirc boosting backstab damage increases cast damage with parting shot

[tight basin]

What's the description for shadow presence

Oh nvm it just says when hitting

I guess parting shot is a good take

[gray moon]

the damage difference seemed quite big

[tight basin]

I do know that crush shot is the meta for speedrunning tho so that's what I'm basing it on

[gray moon]

oh, i'm nowhere near that good. I am curious as to why. Surely it can't be JUST because of the "chasing your casts across the map" issue?

[tight basin]

That's exactly why it isn't used in speedrunning

A single miss can make you "lose" a cast

Also I don't think it can abuse wall bug

[plain river]

That is precisely the issue

[cunning urchin]

That's not a problem of the Cast.

[tight basin]

I mean it sure would seem like it tbh

Oh is it because it's not as good for hitting groups of enemies

Crush shot hits behind a bit doesnt it

[cunning urchin]

Better boon pool, better AOE, drops faster when you undershoot.

[gray moon]

This is all in favor of Crush Shot?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[gray moon]

better boon pool in what sense? Weak + longer weak + more damage while weak trumps deflect stuff?

[tight basin]

Ngl not chasing casts is a big plus for me and makes it better for me by a lot lmao

[cunning urchin]

Sweet Nectar, Heart Rend, Smoldering Air, Sweet Surrender, Heartbreak Strike.

[neon terrace]

To cool off from my traumatic 50 heat attempts, Im trying to do Guan Yu 32 heat. I got an Epic Aphro Special that's 157%, but now I've just been offered a Heroic Poseidon Special that's 167%, should I keep my Aphro Special or swap?

[tight basin]

Keep because weaken is actually kinda useful on guan Yu

[cunning urchin]

You don't chase your Casts if you don't miss them.

[gray moon]

wow, rude

[tight basin]

Yeah I'm bad at the game

That's why I use beo

Less aim

[neon terrace]

depends, what heat, what weapon

[plain river]

If you hit lightning phalanx you don’t exactly have an option lol

[neon terrace]

oh so the grasp wouodve been fire huh

beo with extra casts when u have stygian soul is pretty cracked ngl

if the attack increase also includes bull rush damage that could still be good

[plain river]

Does anyone know the tick speed of zeus shield?

[tight basin]

I want to say 3 per sec?

[plain river]

I thought it’d be super funny to exchange my dio flourish for a heroic aphro flourish and uh

I was wrong

[tight basin]

Lmfao

Rip 40 heat run

[plain river]

+258% on the special though

[tight basin]

True

That's like

66 more damage or something idk

[plain river]

I’ll just pull a baj

[plain river]

105 damage

[tight basin]

About 100 per tick

[plain river]

approx

[tight basin]

Yeah

[plain river]

also

I have 800 obols in aspho end shop

Tf

[tight basin]

Lmao

Buy everything

[plain river]

Ok my damage isn’t that bad tbh

Not bad damage but it doesn’t hit the same as flat damage

Sweet nectar thou

damn

Hermes or hammer

RD doesn’t matter as much because it’s not flat damage I guess

but also

There are a bunch of other useful hermes boons

[neon terrace]

epic zeus special only gives u 75 per tick though right?

[plain river]

Zeus special is different because his supporting boons actually make it way better

[neon terrace]

so 105 is strong

[plain river]

Static discharge/double strike/splitting bolt

Epic zeus special is idk how much/tick

[neon terrace]

true but i mean u can technically make weak stronger

broken resolve and sweet surrender are ok ish

[plain river]

Yeah but when you’re doing zeus flourish you go aphrodite strike anyways

So you have weak either way

[neon terrace]

do u have an attack boon? maybe u can try for low tolerance

with dashing wallop it's really strong

dio attack + aphro special

[plain river]

I already took dio attack back then but dio attack on shield isn’t exactly impactful

[neon terrace]

idrc what i get on the attack when i use zeus shield tbh, anything works fine. i just want a good special boon

but if u have dashing wallop or pulverizing blow u can get good damage out of the attack

[plain river]

Aphro strike works best because weak good, +% good, and opening smouldering air is good

F

Died to way too many brightswords

[tight basin]

Pulv blow makes putting down the shield slower to block and bullrush btw

It's not bad in a pure atk focused build

But I would avoid it

[neon terrace]

wait what really?

that's so dumb

I didnt know that

Yeah but if ur just blockingcharging a bull rush i thought itd be the same

[tight basin]

I mean I didn't think about it either

But it makes sense

I think angel mentioned it

[gray moon]

is there any weapon that is downright unusable in speedruns/high heat?

[tight basin]

Well how fast we talking

And how high

Because like

Only 2 maybe only 1 works at really high

[plain river]

Nothing is literally unusable

[gray moon]

even the gun? I hate that thing

[plain river]

so whats the speed range you’re asking for for speed?

And the heat level for heat

[gray moon]

nothing specifc. I guess you could translate my question to "what weapons are preferred in general at high level of play"

[plain river]

Hera, beowulf, eris are best for speed

Zeus shield, rama, all the shields, eris are good for the highest of heats

I think

Oh yeah hesty

I’m not sure but I’m fairly certain it had speedrun wr for 50 iic

Which was why it came to mind

Wait

I think I remembered wrong

Yeah I did

All the 50 records are rama

Forget about eris

I was talking speedrunning 50

And I was wrong

Seeded Modded at 50 heat is Null

It has all the records for the categories that have runs in them

At 50

[twin cloak]

Achilles:

Dio is unplayable because of dash cancelling

[twin cloak]

gy

gy is like weird hesty but it's pretty cracked

kinda requires the guaranteed cskewer tho

[cunning urchin]

It's nice if you don't have Charged Shot.

[neon terrace]

ik charged shot's considwred one of (if not) the best hammer(s) in the game, and I do like it on Zag, Beo, and Chaos, but I hate having it on Zeus ngl

[small magnet]

any lucifer build i should try?

[neon terrace]

why is passion flare better than flood flare for high heat on beo?

[lucid oar]

Can’t rely on getting mirage shot

Without mirage, passion flare is better DPS

Also weak is really really good

[neon terrace]

but the aoe from flood's good anyway isnt it

[valid dagger]

It’s good but Passion Flare has good aoe too

And the damage is noticeably better

Flood without Mirage is very very sad

Way worse than it sounds

From like Asphodel onwards

With Passion you can then force Dem in Asphodel for Attack or Snow Burst

That gives you pstatus and the 2 best defensives curses in the game

[cunning urchin]

Also some potential for Deadly Strike + Heart Rend, Zeus' Aid + Smair, Tidal Dash + Sweet Nectar for those juicy +2 poms, epic Life Affirmation...

Like... you don't need those with Passion Flare, and at high enough heats, the odds aren't great, but potential is still there anyway.

Strong base, high potential. While Flood Flare is more weak base, high potential.

[serene rain]

Okay I think I am ready for high heat builds to start climbing ranks

Anyone willing to tell me some makeshift build to climb from heat 10-12 with every weapon?

I mainly got what I wanted to grind and I'm like only missing 32 titan blood so

I wish to know builds so i can climb heat

Fist I'll just Use ME i saw it being op as hell

@valid dagger hello

[valid dagger]

Hello

[serene rain]

Are the grinding builds still viable to go for higher heat ?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[serene rain]

Okay

Up until like how much heat?

[lucid oar]

32 with the right pact, def up to 25 tho

[serene rain]

Jesus

Okay yea thise build will be fine I believe

The only ones i struggle with
Spear
Gun
And shield

My cast deals MORE damage than the spear itself

I didn't even build for Achilles...........

I swear....once i finish Theseus I'll show the build

Nooooooooooo

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@turbid needle

[valid dagger]

You clearing it doesn’t make it not sad

Just makes you a real gamer

Because it sucks

[serene rain]

So apparently my cast deals more damage unwillingly

[lucid oar]

I cleared 55 without mirage SHM

o wait

[valid dagger]

Some people clear 60 without Mirage

Real gamers

[lucid oar]

I don’t wanna imagine 55 flood without mirage

[valid dagger]

Pseudo did it

I think

[serene rain]

Yea probably guess I'll focus on it

what is the Achiless build then ?

ohh

blade shot or hunting shot ?

[valid dagger]

Slicing Shot then Hunting Blades if possible

But there are other good ones

Like Phalanx

[serene rain]

OH

i see

ii don't Struggle at dad just FO2 kinda screws me still on certain bosses

this build wont kill hades so

[valid dagger]

Beams will likely be better then

You just need the build to come together

[serene rain]

so basically demeter

with who i cant remmeber

[valid dagger]

Artemis

[serene rain]

do i go for the duo boon where the beam follows me

[valid dagger]

No

That one is sad

[serene rain]

had a feeling too

[valid dagger]

Go for the one that follows enemies, and try to get more stones and glacial glare

[serene rain]

more stones equals chaos

[valid dagger]

Or wells

[serene rain]

oh uh question

[valid dagger]

Usually wont be wells tho

[serene rain]

do i replace the more casts for the other one ?

[valid dagger]

You can

It’s more of a highroll but better if you get the stuff

[serene rain]

i usually keep the 3 casts mostlu

[valid dagger]

Both are fine

[serene rain]

saw the heat board saying it was better at some point on some builds

[rose pelican]

I used to keep 3 stones but lately i changed to stygian to not manage picking up the ammo

[serene rain]

ah crap the bow is on dark thirst :/

[rose pelican]

Feels more seamless actually

[serene rain]

if you get the legendary one from hermes it's fine

Zag bow builds is so braindead

true

[rose pelican]

Bad news is broken

Sooo good broken

And i discovered it's goodness 3 DAYS AGO

300 HOURS IN

On everything really

[serene rain]

god i am tired

[rose pelican]

To reload faster

[serene rain]

Zag bow->Tdash->Same Hestia rule for ATK->Don't grab triple shot with tidal dash
that's the thing on my google sheet

[rose pelican]

I do

I'm built different

Regularly

Im Beowulf

Good combo cycle

[serene rain]

I almost never cast on anyweapons
Except
Beowulf

why do i use tripple cast then

[rose pelican]

I've been testing castpects with Stygian these weeks

And Beo is finest with it

[serene rain]

huh talos ? oh right cast bonus

[rose pelican]

I consider Talos and Eris castpects too

Misread

Sorry

Because I'm obsessed with cast as a concept

[serene rain]

@turbid needle so what is the Pos build then ?

zeus core ?

oh core as in anything that works for it ?

what about mirror is it better off for the triple cast or the it replenishes instantly

and then it's just

''Spam it till you die''

and as much of Wells, Chaos, and Hermes for cast speed

ye special to knock it out

oh true

preferably cast damage

OH

does mirage cast matter here ?

yea just realized

youd nede two different gods

okay yea

oh ima guess

''More bounces'' also works ?

oh oops

[rose pelican]

Imagine endless pinball lightning phalanx

[serene rain]

me:Yay let's start the pos build
the game: Yea no here's a hammer

quick question who are the gods ?

mirage cast ?

hm i already got arti without trying

might as well

yea i'll just go for it

yup

ah nuts ares

thanks you erebus

if I get ares what are the chances to get posseidon @turbid needle

oh well

i had no choices

i ended up dying but i think that is enough hades

[rose pelican]

Except Hunting Blades and ME i guess

[serene rain]

nono for ME it's still accurate

CUS IT NEVER SHOWS UP

[rose pelican]

MOOD

Um question: is maiming with dash upper worth it or a trap?

[plain river]

Kind of a trap tbh

[twin cloak]

battle rage 🔥🔥🔥

[wintry tree]

is adamant rail even usable ?

[placid spindle]

Yes

The hammer is very important , tho

[lucid oar]

All aspects are usable

[wintry tree]

dunno , i think rail and shield is hard to use tho

[placid spindle]

We all have our favourites, but all can get used to

On low heat (1-5) , i like the rocket (special) modification on the rail

Plus hera (?) Aspect for empowered shot on reload

[wintry tree]

so , do you base ur build on cast and special ?

[tight basin]

Hestia

[tight basin]

Rockets good at like every heat and is easily the best hammer for the rails

[placid spindle]

Mmh i'm quite a new player on low heat so take everything with a grain of salt.

I use zeus or dio for attack (aoe or stack damage) and ares for special (doom), since the flat damage is nice for projectiles that don't strike often.

[tight basin]

Ares special is not the way to go

Things that don't strike typically hit hard like the rail special

You want a % bonus on it, in this case either Aphrodite or Artemis

You generally always want Zeus attack and get as many supporting Zeus boons as possible

[placid spindle]

I'm rarely sure about what require what kind of damage

[tight basin]

The only exception is hestia, where you want Aphrodite attack

[tight basin]

That's fine, you'll learn

[placid spindle]

Going half blind and trying stuff every run is where i get most of the fun , so all good

[placid spindle]

Is jolt better than balls?

[tight basin]

What

[placid spindle]

Balls -> electric attack or special may create a ball of electricity than can strike other target

[tight basin]

Oh splitting bolt

[placid spindle]

Ya

[tight basin]

Well thing is

If you're offered both

Take splitting because it's the legendary and you probably won't see it again

[placid spindle]

I often come across both jolt and spilt at some point, but idk if the return is worth having both

[tight basin]

And I think it's more dps since it's per shot

But jolted is also very good and part of what makes Zeus atk good

The atks don't hit stun, so jolt procs way more often

[placid spindle]

I really like the lingering damage of jolt

And spilt is not always that rewarding in the late game (less targets when 1v1)

[tight basin]

Late game there's more enemies is there not

[placid spindle]

In the styx temple yes

[tight basin]

That's fine tbh

[placid spindle]

I mean in the boss fights of elysium and father himself

[tight basin]

Splitting is still a really strong boon

[placid spindle]

Another thing, how valuable "revenge damage" booms of medium power are?

[tight basin]

Like 3 hits from splitting is gonna equal the same damage as lvl 1 epic jolted

[tight basin]

Not worth going out of the way for

But if the other options are bad it's a nice pick

[placid spindle]

Ok...
Because as i got more used to the game, getting hit occured much less often, or would be a liability

Thus the return in investment was not that high for a boon slot...

[tight basin]

Yeah lmao

The idea is to not get hit so you don't really want revenge boons

But also like you will get hit at some point so you if nothing else is good might as well

[placid spindle]

Gotcha

Some can stack well with other abilities or give more chance to save my butt

[wintry tree]

bro

shield so op

[wintry tree]

which is better as companion ; thanatos or meg

[lucid oar]

For speedruns its meg

For casual play it doesn’t rlly matter

[ashen shoal]

im partial to than if I'm doing em3 casual play, he can almost oneshot Theseus while he's summoning olympus

[twin cloak]

hazard bomb:

hazarderis is Insane

[unique crypt]

Having a good build and weapon (maxed) helps you so u don't even use your death defiance , on low heat

I'm 6 consecutive wins whit hestia rail from heat 1 to 6 and never bothered whit anything more that a % atk and poms for it

And I rarely die, I may die one time on hades only whit this weapon, range has it's advantages over mele

Shield is also kind of safe as u can hide behind it

[plain river]

Meg is far superior but for casual just personal preference

[unique crypt]

You can't use than and some other on last boss if that's relevant for you

[plain river]

You can use all on final boss*

*once you meet the requirements for Hades to let you

[unique crypt]

That means beating the game?

[plain river]

“At first, only Shady and Rib may be used against Hades. However, once you have forged a sufficient bond with him and a few others, he will grant you authority to use any of the companions against him.

This authority requires:

7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades“

[plain river]

What exactly do you mean by “beating the game”

[unique crypt]

Geting the credits and mom back

[unique crypt]

Thanks, I guess I need more hearts whit him

But he doesn't let me give him gifts, maybe next time

[plain river]

Ok then yes because you can’t hit Hades to 4 hearts before you beat the main story

[unique crypt]

Btw what another good hit and run weapon to max, not rail, to farm whit

I do like cast or special spam builds, I do have some investment in Charon bow

Anything range kite tbh

[plain river]

I guess really any of the bows or zeus shield would be “hit and run” but range kite kinda lame because it takes too long

[unique crypt]

I do like it, I did win whit doom on special base spear 0 blood

[plain river]

And tbh guan-yu as well

[unique crypt]

I guess I like all weapons beside sword

I need to get better as guan Yu realy makes ur HP small

Maybe if I use butterfly

[plain river]

Focus on the special

[plain river]

Never

[unique crypt]

Yeh but hades will like 2 or 3 shot me still

[plain river]

Butterfly is like never the right option

[unique crypt]

Why not, I can get a bunch of %power Onit

[plain river]

Because it’s bad at it’s job

And to make use of it you have to sacrifice taking god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel, or take it later instead of defensive keepsakes and get pitiful amounts of damage

[unique crypt]

On low heat it dosent realy matter what keepsakes u take

I mean depends on weapon

I always farm for the extra blood / diamond from styx

I'm lvling them all anyway for archivement

[plain river]

leveling it is one thing
Actually taking it for the damage is kind of just a bad idea because other options are just significantly better

[unique crypt]

I think I can get at least 40% on it so idk , its preety good,

2% per room, and first 2 lvls/zones are easy to clear

[plain river]

That’s not enough to make it worth it tbh

Having control over which gods come into your build is much more valuable

[unique crypt]

I think it depends on weapon, I'm still doing preety good whit random gods

U can get 4max per run and Hermes right?

[plain river]

?

4 gods in pool is a soft limit

you can still force with keepsakes afterwards

And yes hermes is excluded from that

Being able to force in the first god you want via keepsake in tartarus and 2nd god you want in asphodel is uber useful

Every weapon/aspect would rather that then take butterfly by a longshot

[unique crypt]

Tbh I think it depends on weapon

[placid spindle]

same for now, apart from some unfortunate runs

[plain river]

It really doesn’t

[unique crypt]

On hestia rail I never pick a god as it dosent realy matter on low heat all I need is a % atk, and it's a win

And there's like 4 of them u can get

[plain river]

5 +% gods but you really just want aphrodite for hesty strike

[unique crypt]

I did win whit both Poseidon and athena

[plain river]

They aren’t bad, they just aren’t as good is what I’m saying

[unique crypt]

I don't even care about the other boons, only some poms to get 100%

Well on low heat it's irelevant

[plain river]

even on low heat being able to win faster is still preferable

[unique crypt]

Why

It's not like I Speedrun

[placid spindle]

what if

i don't care about my time?

[plain river]

would you rather experience more or less hades in the same period of time

[unique crypt]

It dosent matter ?

[placid spindle]

i play for fun

so like ...

[plain river]

You still have fun when you make good builds though?

[placid spindle]

i like trying stuff and do whatever feels fun

[unique crypt]

Yeh, and I still have fun when I play bad builds and win whit them, or die, and do some other progress

Some ppl like to Speedrun, or to do heat 50+

I want to 100% everything and have fun whit combos

[placid spindle]

winning with a bonker build even on low heat is just fun

[unique crypt]

I like thalos whit Poseidon and Zeus only using special atk, is it optimal? No, is it fun? Yes

[plain river]

have fun collecting 350000+ darkness

[unique crypt]

Mods, save files on google

[wintry tree]

how many runs do you need to finish the storyline

[plain river]

10 escapes to finish the “main story”

[placid spindle]

minimum 10 for credit

[unique crypt]

I think like 12 or so

[wintry tree]

oh thx

[placid spindle]

then if you want a banquet, it is much more

[plain river]

There is still way way more even after that

[wintry tree]

i got 3rd already

[plain river]

even beyond the epilogue

[placid spindle]

[plain river]

tbh I’m still getting new voicelines like 500 runs in

[placid spindle]

drinks! drinks for everybody!!

[unique crypt]

It's easy to get wins if u get a maxed weapon, the more painfully is geting one whit every weapon, some are harder

[wintry tree]

i want to give drinks to meg but she just doesn't appear on anywhere lol

[placid spindle]

she pops up from time to time

[wintry tree]

ye

[placid spindle]

it is quite random

[plain river]

Then turn up the heat with the maxed weapon

[unique crypt]

She's in the longue usualy

[wintry tree]

she mostly talks with another ppl so i can't give tho

[placid spindle]

;-;

[wintry tree]

than even told me to leave ...

[unique crypt]

Try using the pact to get the modified first boss fight I think she shows more often ? For me she's always there

[wintry tree]

btw , cursed blade is not good for higher heat levels right?

[unique crypt]

What's that

[plain river]

Cursed slash is kind of always 📉

[wintry tree]

gives u 2 hp every hit but ur hp is reduced by 60%

i mean on 0 heat it was very good kekw

[unique crypt]

I hate sword whit a passion, I will play only cast sword build

[plain river]

In terms of sword hammers it’s one of the 4 that actively negatively affect you

[placid spindle]

at one point, not getting hit becomes more frequent than needing healing

[unique crypt]

Cast builds are some of the most fun

[unique crypt]

The the more u play the better u get

[plain river]

The hp regain is negligible and doesn’t work on dash strikes

[wintry tree]

i watched a video today and the guy was just spamming zeus cast

[placid spindle]

once, i had the microwave : demeter lazers, duo boon with artmeis, another cristal, lazer dealing cold

[unique crypt]

Like I don't even dodge that often whit rail cuz I reload so much so I don't spam atk so I spend that time positioning

[placid spindle]

sadly, i couldn't get the burst after 10 cold stacks

[plain river]

You can move/dash while reloading if you special

[wintry tree]

what is the use of rail , bro like it just reloads every time after dealing like 10 dmg per hit

[unique crypt]

Man the Demeter Lazer hitting u duo boon is so bad

[plain river]

Flat damage attacks

[placid spindle]

it is very good with hammer upgrades and space management

i like the rocket on special

[plain river]

Zeus strike goes hard and the hammers that affect the special make it huge burst damage

[wintry tree]

ye maybe

[unique crypt]

Hestia makes it so u deal 150 dmg , whit aphro u do like 500-600 a shot

And hammers

They help a bit

[plain river]

Rocket bomb -> cluster bomb/triple bomb makes your special crazy damage
Zeus strike gives your attack the damage and aoe it needs
All the aspects have their own niches as well

[wintry tree]

when i saw rocket bomb i thought it was bad then went with the explosive bullet thing xd

the run didn't last long

[placid spindle]

triple bomb be like: what if......half the room took damage right now

[wintry tree]

also when i was having a good spear run imo , i borrowed gold from charon and bro didn't let it slide

[unique crypt]

The most fun I had was Poseidon Zeus Talos fist special spam, pulling and knocking enemy's away, making them jolted and riptide, also duo boon, it was so fun, + the enemy's exploding into walls to make waves skill

[placid spindle]

borrow

[wintry tree]

i saw the gold sack and went for it

[unique crypt]

Try to borrow it in elisyum

Or when u got a strong build

[plain river]

zag rail can grab spreadfire and a +% attack and be a crazy melee weapon
Eris rail is just flat damage soup all around, benefits from the special hammers the most
Hesti can also build around strike if it wants to
Luci is luci

[plain river]

I grab Charon in tartarus if I’m not concerned for speed because it’s tartarus, not much to lose, but so much to gain

[placid spindle]

mine was with zagreus fist (before unlocking demeter) + feather of hermes much stacks+ speed boost+speed attack boost+ double air kick hammer + some boons for damage and stuff

[unique crypt]

Yeh but it's risky cuz u got no dmg so th more u fight the more chances u got to make mistakes

[wintry tree]

i wanna play those builds but my math exam is coming soon lol

[placid spindle]

after, then creates anticipation

[wintry tree]

hehe

[plain river]

A) it’s tartarus, if I die it doesn’t really matter
B) damage actually isn’t really that big of an issue

[wintry tree]

i am not sure if i can make myself study tho

[unique crypt]

My favorite vanilla weapon is the spear spaming special whit doom on it

Ez win

[placid spindle]

DO IT

[wintry tree]

hehe

[unique crypt]

Just 1 more hades run, it's only 25 min, .... 10 hours later

[wintry tree]

i thought shield was bad until i just spammed special and cast

[plain river]

Spear special spam when it’s guan-yu with charged skewer or hades/zag with exploding launcher and charged skewer

[unique crypt]

Shield seems so op but Idk if I like to hide behind after the game makes ur muscle memorry to run around like ur on meth

[tight basin]

spamming special with shield is what makes shield worse

[unique crypt]

I won whit normal one , the backstab portion is also nice

[plain river]

the only shield with a viable special is zeus

The issue with base spear special is it takes too long to come back

exploding launcher fixes that issue

[unique crypt]

What if u got chaos? My first sheild win was doom special spam whit bouncing shield, on normal shield

[wintry tree]

i gotta flirt with meg and make her accept helping me

[plain river]

Chaos is the closest to aspectless shield there is

[tight basin]

also bad

[plain river]

For a weapon with 2 special based gimmicks it’s kinda wild how they did one so well and the other so meh

[unique crypt]

Zeus shield is wierd , I wish it was not moving but sedentary to some place u throw

[wintry tree]

i did a shield run with zeus cast thing and poseidon special with harbor dmg thing , also had +2 dash and some reflect stuff

[plain river]

Zeus goes crazy and chaos is

…

discount zag shield

[wintry tree]

the boon that ranks ur other boons every 3rd round is kinda insane doe

[tight basin]

i will say however

chaos shield special is good for stripping a bit of dc around the room right before a wave spawns

[plain river]

Running dc though

[tight basin]

you made me

[wintry tree]

is the heat limit 32 ?

[tight basin]

no

64

[unique crypt]

I think Poseidon is my favorite god, knockback is so fun, and riptide is so good

[plain river]

It’s 64

[wintry tree]

prolly won't get to there

[unique crypt]

I think 32 is so u can get all the stuff unlocked

[plain river]

No one has beaten 64 heat unrouted

[tight basin]

you def wont

realistically for a casual player

the highest would be 40

[wintry tree]

hehe

[tight basin]

if you want to complete 64

[wintry tree]

but like 64 would just debuff your mirror

[plain river]

That’s kinda highballing it for casual tbh

[wintry tree]

like deleting everything

[tight basin]

you would unironically need over 1k hours on zeus shield

[unique crypt]

The ones that remove and limit boon chooises are so nasty on heat

[tight basin]

that's why i said "highest"

[plain river]

64 heat is hell Hades

[plain river]

Nanas calling me a casual player 🔫

[tight basin]

yeah that's why it's not realistic for casual players to beat lmao

[wintry tree]

biblically accurate hell adventure

[tight basin]

angel and baj are grinding 64 heat iirc

[placid spindle]

no thanks i'll let real life give me insanity instead

[tight basin]

angel was 1 sec away from clearing 64 modded, baj did 64 routed

[wintry tree]

i watched a spear run today and guy was talking about 3some ...

[plain river]

Speedrun getting insanity though

[wintry tree]

like he just keeps talking while playing good lol

[tight basin]

sounds like something haelian would talk about

[wintry tree]

ah ye haelian

i just wanted to see how to play it

[unique crypt]

Just hades things

[tight basin]

i mean if you're good enough you can just play half-mindedly

[plain river]

Is Hades youtube more or less or equally advanced as reddit?

[unique crypt]

So what fun weapon aspect should I max next

[wintry tree]

what is ur best run , mine is like around 25min with blade

[plain river]

Reddit kinda in the stone age

[unique crypt]

I got chirion half way, and hestia is maxed

[plain river]

9:5x with zag bow

[tight basin]

i mean obv top runners upload to youtube but not reddit so youtube is gonna be better

there's prob a lot of bad builds on youtube

[wintry tree]

how

[tight basin]

also haelian did a 24 streak of all 32 heat on all aspects starting coin purse, so some builds are horrible

[wintry tree]

i saw some aphrodyte cosplays on reddit so reddit is best

[tight basin]

6:47 (modded)

[wintry tree]

i somehow don't wanna know about (mods)

[plain river]

I’d have to actually check to get the final digit but my zag bow as definitely 9:5x

[wintry tree]

game is hard alr

[placid spindle]

about that (low heat) , while not caring about my time

[tight basin]

speedrunning modpack just removes the pain rng

[unique crypt]

Hmmm, but the cosplay has no clothes only, earrings and stuff

[plain river]

Speedrun modpack would be the mod in question

And it just reduces rng so it’s more skill based tbh

[unique crypt]

Are there any mods for new gods ? Whit boons

[wintry tree]

so it gives u right boons or sth?

[tight basin]

yes

OlympusExtra

[plain river]

A bunch of QoL things

[unique crypt]

That's preety cool

[tight basin]

apollo and hestia

[tight basin]

if you want to download the speedrunning modpack it is available at https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:

• guaranteed 2 sack
• guaranteed first hammer
• first boon offers all 4 core boons
• removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
• shows fountain rooms
  there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

instructions for downloading the modpack are in the file "instructions.txt" in the modpack folder

[unique crypt]

Oh I wish they would have like a bunch more gods, and from other phanteons too

[plain river]

You get 4 options to start rather then 3 for first boon

[tight basin]

adding gods is hard

[wintry tree]

bro the tiny vermin thing

i hate that levels like im getting poisoned everytime

[placid spindle]

tiny vermin.... time killer

[wintry tree]

and they have like unbreakable armors

[plain river]

Tbf if you get tiny vermin your speedrun is kinda over

[placid spindle]

;-;

[tight basin]

not really

[unique crypt]

Just use Athena dash to reflect poison darts

[tight basin]

tiny vermin doesnt kill the run

anything more than a 3 sack will kill the run

3 sack tiny vermin is prob a dead run actually

but 3 sack no vermin is fine

[plain river]

3 sack w/ tiny vermin

[wintry tree]

rats just vomit to ground

[tight basin]

get a better build

unironically

[unique crypt]

Hit and run, lure them out of the puke

[wintry tree]

what is the unmodded best speedrun

[tight basin]

5:0x

[unique crypt]

Don't spam atks, hit and run

[placid spindle]

never thought i would read that some day lol

[wintry tree]

ye

[plain river]

A little over 5 minutes iirc

[placid spindle]

lure them out the puke

[tight basin]

oh nvm it's 5:16

very cool croven

[wintry tree]

how can you ever finish the game in 5:16

[placid spindle]

sheesh

[tight basin]

git gud

[plain river]

Get good

[unique crypt]

Bet Dionysus hears it a loot after his party

[tight basin]

he has a 4:39 modded

[wintry tree]

lol

[tight basin]

also

[wintry tree]

any good boons of winter mommy god?

[tight basin]

styx should be a joke with a good build tbh

[unique crypt]

You can do a no hit run

[unique crypt]

Mommy?

[wintry tree]

ye

[placid spindle]

for the lols, i like the microwave

[wintry tree]

she is too old

[unique crypt]

Gilf enjoyer?

[placid spindle]

(or having cold stacks on fast hitting weapon)

[plain river]

Snow burst, ravenous will, killing freeze and rare crop

[wintry tree]

uhhh what

[unique crypt]

Nvm it lmao

[placid spindle]

don't google it

[tight basin]

[wintry tree]

i don't wanna know about the g

[unique crypt]

Trust him

[plain river]

The only fast attacking weapon that can make use of dem strike is spreadfire zag rail

[wintry tree]

[tight basin]

anyways

dem cores suck tldr

you take her for supporting boons

or cope cores

[unique crypt]

I never use Demeter, except on cast sometimes

[placid spindle]

on low heat, fists can do it too

[unique crypt]

She feels preety bad

[plain river]

On low heat anything can do anything

[wintry tree]

the slow thing doesn't matter much yea

[placid spindle]

that's the spirit lol

[unique crypt]

That's the beauty of it

[wintry tree]

is it essential to get range hammer with twin fists ?

[tight basin]

no

[unique crypt]

No

[plain river]

Range hammer is nice but not at all necesarry

[unique crypt]

Also depends of what certain fist aspects u use

[tight basin]

breaching cross is strong

[tight basin]

still no

breaching cross still the best

[placid spindle]

them armor break

[plain river]

Long knuckle is good on aspect of demeter but not better then breaching cross or explosive upper

[unique crypt]

Btw dose the malphon fist dot thing stack whit doom for a big bleed?

[placid spindle]

no?

[plain river]

Fist dot 🤨

[tight basin]

is this gilga maim

if so

[placid spindle]

oooh

[tight basin]

then yes it stacks

[unique crypt]

The main thing

[plain river]

Maim and doom are seperate

[placid spindle]

does maim count as a curse?

[unique crypt]

Yeh but u can place them both right

[plain river]

No

[placid spindle]

awn

[tight basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1061000705005064284/single_salvo_anthony.mp4

maim and doom stacking

not my clip btw

[unique crypt]

Seems like something I'd enjoy

I like this hit and run and dot builds

[plain river]

Everything on this list is not a status curse:

Hades spin marking, Gilgamesh maiming, Rama Shared suffering and Talos magnetised pull buff, boiling/abyssal blood, killing freeze, charm, trippy stuns, dusa petrification, than marking

[placid spindle]

the rat was locked with zag, not the other way around

[tight basin]

speedrunner moment

[placid spindle]

gracias

[tight basin]

i do love 45 minute in game time runs

[unique crypt]

As long as I win

I don't even look at the clock, a bunch of time I just afk in game cuz I play from work

[placid spindle]

lol

[unique crypt]

I'll do the world record for hades slowest run

Gonna beat it in 1 month

[tawny knoll]

Clear a chamber in record time just to sit there for an hour until you enter the next one

EZ

[unique crypt]

Nah just afk whit revenge build

Who even needs a weapon to clear

Wining by sher anger

Btw are there any cool builds for shackles

I want to try it out

[tight basin]

hestia

arthur

nemesis

rama

[unique crypt]

I will try it whit hestia tomorrow

[placid spindle]

have you seen the afk zagreus vs hades?

[unique crypt]

I did like 2 of them

[placid spindle]

lol

[versed parrot]

I unlocked apsect of Arthur and tried a run with Athena's attack ares' special and Artemis cast and some crit boons and it worked out really well did the run on 8 heat

what is the most suitable build for arthur

[twin cloak]

heartbreak strike

and u don't really need anything else

[unique crypt]

A revenge build stacking HP and siting in dmg reduction special might also be good?

[plain river]

You can go zeus aid -> smouldering air from there, but yes, unnecessary

[plain river]

Stacking hp and dmg reduction 👍
Focusing on revenge boons 👎

[unique crypt]

I was half right, it's something

I want to play a posiedon dash build , any recommendations?

[plain river]

Literally any aspect will do

tidal dash is good enough on it’s own

[unique crypt]

Just get more Hermes dashes, Zeus duo boons and jolt

Do you even bother using the weapon ?

[plain river]

yes

[unique crypt]

Alright

[plain river]

A few aspeects start with tidal dash anyways tbh

[unique crypt]

Oh realy? I didn't pay much importance to dashes tbh

[plain river]

achilles, eris, I’m blanking on the rest

[tight basin]

hestia

[unique crypt]

Achiles seems like a more beginner friendly eris as it's not time based and no need to aim

[tight basin]

zag bow or chiron if you want speed

[plain river]

Tru

[unique crypt]

I will try it on hestia and chirion

[plain river]

Tidal dash is good aoe, good base damage, excellent pom scaling and knockback all rolled into one

[unique crypt]

Speed is no important for me

Just wining the run to farm the resources is

So as long as it works I'm good to go

[plain river]

speed lets you farm resources faster

[unique crypt]

True but I'm from work so I afk a bunch each run so , I won't be to fast anyway

[plain river]

You can be faster for the time that you are playing though

and just pause the game when you’re gone

[tight basin]

i dont recommend tdash start on chiron

better to start off with a special boon tbh

[plain river]

Start with the special you want

[tight basin]

tdash works fine for speed and general aoe but if you're playing casually it's just easier to start with a flourish

[cunning urchin]

Speedrun builds are basically all high DPS builds.

[plain river]

I mean
Why not run high dps builds for casual play

[cunning urchin]

Exactly.

But also, I've watched speedrunners try to coach a new player streamer for her first and she just kept dying until I told her we'll just stack HP, Weak...

High Heat mentality better for just winning runs.

[plain river]

It it works for high heat why wouldn’t it work for low heat

[trim sparrow]

Bro. I have at least 5 ttb into the varatha given Achilles as much nectar as possible but yet I still seem to not been able to get the waken phrase I’ve tried sm times and morning I can’t even talk to him period

[cunning urchin]

If I had a euro for every time somebody somebody said that.

[plain river]

Smh

[cunning urchin]

lol I had a very low opinion of Drunken Strike Malphon at the time.

[plain river]

Hangover hasn’t really changed since then though, right?

[cunning urchin]

Well, we got Splitting Headache and Curse of Nausea since then.

Don't think there was anything else.

My victory screen from 47 minutes after I wrote that post comparing Attack boons. https://i.imgur.com/vvT8hvj.jpg

[tawny knoll]

Oh, I didn’t realize you were a fellow Malphon Enthusiast

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[plain river]

Damn thats old

[cunning urchin]

Dark Foresight was still only a cosmetic at the time because it just literally didn't do anything lol.

Didn't work until 1.0.

[plain river]

80% dark regen

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[tawny knoll]

Was wondering why BC said 1000% instead of 900%

Makes sense now

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's from May 2020 lol.

Also, a look at the beginnings of Fated Persuasion when most people were still running Authority.

[cunning urchin]

I literally didn't play anything else for a long time once they added them lol.

[hexed summit]

For Hestia, Explosive Fire vs Hazard bomb vs Spread fire?

[cunning urchin]

Hazard.

[twin cloak]

explosive and spread fire don't really do anything

[wintry tree]

I saw a streamer reload his adamant rail after every shot , is there a reason for it ?

[hexed summit]

Because it's Aspect of Hestia.

[wintry tree]

Who is hestia

Nice

Is hestia a god?

[tight basin]

yes

but not in the game

[wintry tree]

Btw is it an hidden aspect?

[tight basin]

no

3rd aspect of the rail

[wintry tree]

Oh nice

[tight basin]

not great until minimum lvl 3

[wintry tree]

I don"t even have hades aspect yet soo

[tight basin]

i mean that isn't relevant to getting hestia

[wintry tree]

Ye nice

Maybe rail isn't that bad after all

[tight basin]

rail was never bad

[wintry tree]

Dealing 10 dmg per hit is bad tbh

[tight basin]

get lightning strike on it

[wintry tree]

Ye i will try doing a rail run today

[tight basin]

chain lightning is good and common lightning strike at level 1 is a 100% damage boost

[wintry tree]

Avoiding to study for math

[tight basin]

lmao

[wintry tree]

I prolly wont get zeus boons due to luck but i wanna play with slow effect bullets with rocket or triple bomb hammer

[tight basin]

you can literally start with zeus' keepsake and guarantee it

ignoring the atk and only using the special is certainly an option

[wintry tree]

I dont have daddy zeus' keepsake

[tight basin]

ah welp

go get it

[wintry tree]

Ye

I think meg died on my game

Doesn't appear anywhere

[tight basin]

furies are random

[wintry tree]

Time to face the furries

Lmao

I cant forget the line

Ye but i dont see her in the hall tho

I wanna flirt him with my shiny bottles

[tight basin]

rng moment

[wintry tree]

Her*

Ye

So im just giving em to than

I want the special keepsake

[versed parrot]

best builds for rama

just opened it

[cunning urchin]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

Good explanation of what you want on Rama.

[hexed summit]

The thing that makes rail a bit difficult to get used to is its attacks don't stagger, unlike all other weapons. You can make a special based rail build too

[plain river]

[turbid needle]

ty

[ionic crown]

[fresh crescent]

what's a good build for arthur

[turbid needle]

anything that gets beeg damage

[fresh crescent]

I want to bonk the enemies 🙂

[turbid needle]

i use artie on attack

dont really need to focus on special cause its goofy

[fresh crescent]

i thought apro attack is higher?

[turbid needle]

crits tho

funny big numbers

[fresh crescent]

well true

[fresh crescent]

that what im looking for 🙂

[plain river]

Aphro attack is higher and also more consistently better

[fresh crescent]

so artemis and apro?

who else?

oh yea what abt the duo boons?

[turbid needle]

i run divine dash just cause

duos uuuuuuh

[plain river]

If you go aphrodite on attack, go into zeus aid and look for smouldering air

Then you can stack more damage reduction from aphrodite and zeus support boons from zeus

[fresh crescent]

i see

so apr,o arte, zeus and anthena?

[plain river]

I wouldn’t go all of those on the same build

[turbid needle]

i ran zeus dash and double nova on arthur once and it worked pretty well

[plain river]

That doesn’t sound like anything notable

[turbid needle]

fun tho 💀

[fresh crescent]

double nova?

the slam?

[plain river]

Sword hammer

[turbid needle]

oh wait thats the wrong one

lmao

whichever one makes dash strike hit twice lol

[plain river]

Double edge

[fresh crescent]

edge something

ye

[turbid needle]

yea i had a stroke lol

[plain river]

Double edge is good on arthur yes

[fresh crescent]

but arthur thrust kinda bad tho

[plain river]

It isn’t

[fresh crescent]

nvm

im dumb

it deal more dmg then nemesis

[turbid needle]

arthurs the only sword aspect that feels usable to me

[fresh crescent]

i find arthur kit is fun

big dmg

🙂

[turbid needle]

big numbers

i would enjoy using guan yu a lot more if it didnt like

suck

[wintry tree]

guys

which is better hammer for adamant rail gun ,hazard bomb or targeting system

omg

thats a whole bazooka wtf

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air. Also look for Divine Dash and Divine Flourish if you happen to run into Lady Athena. Double down on HP, dodge chance or damage reduction, and Lord Zeus boons that buff your Call damage more.

Poms on Heartbreak only until about Lv.4, but mostly pom your Zeus' Aid and Double Strike + Static Discharge if you get those.

[wintry tree]

i got hazard bomb + drunken florish thing the bomba is insae

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Flourish is bad on that tbh. Hazard Bomb increases the base damage of your Special a lot, so you want a high % Special on it to multiply that damage.

Sometimes you end up with something like Hangover on it though and it can be perfectly good enough.

But ideally you get Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish on it.

[wintry tree]

ye

i hate adamant rail now

worst gun ever

why would anyone think of making such a gun

[cunning urchin]

What?

[wintry tree]

worst gun

legit

[placid spindle]

F

Did you get hammer + remapped reload?

[wintry tree]

no

i got hazard bomb and -6 ammo thing

i think my boons sucked anyway

hestia with only 50 dmg is bad

[placid spindle]

Low or high heat?

[cunning urchin]

Hestia requires high investment, yeah.