hey guys, did you know that if you have epic swift strike on rama, your standing strikes are only two frames slower than an dash strike? enjoy that speed and you get the extra damage from a standing strike! it's just like budget rd
#h1-builds-and-combat
neat mauve
tight basin
Thanks matty
tepid lichen
lol, achilles spear looks funny with triple jab and serrated point
rose nexus
Both of those combined is a bad idea
You want one or the other, preferably flurry
But it does look funny indeed
thorn tendon
🧐
kind pilot
What happens when u highlight/toggle select boons and upgrades that you have equipped?
Like what is that function for
tight basin
Easier to screenshot
turbid needle
okay, I actually hate sword, and I just use Nemesis because people say it's good. I'm gonna do a run, but unlike with literally every other weapon (Spear=Flurry jab or GY spear with special enhancements, Shield=Zeus shield with lightning or other strong buff, Gun=Eris cluster/clockets/special build, Bow=Hera with Crush shot (Infernal) or Trippy shot (Stygian), Fists = Demeter with special enhancements), I basically never have even the slightest sense of direction with the sword
What even should I be going for? Godwise? Hammerwise? I've sometimes taken Double Nova with Nemesis and it seems good since you use special a lot
turbid needle
So I should look for things that make my dash strikes stronger is what you're saying
Chaos boons, artemis dash, that kind of thing
Maybe a good starting boon would be Artemis then
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike > Heartbreak Flourish > Heart Rend is the classic Nemesis crit build.
turbid needle
Ah yes, good ol' Aphrodite too, love her, I have the "Aphrodites disciple" title on one of my clears lol. Sounds good! Thanks!
Okay I promise that I won't do this for other decisions this run, because I know that it gets annoying, but just for the first hammer, my intuition is Double Nova, would that be correct?
cunning urchin
That's the best pick, yeah.
turbid needle
Awesome 
ty
cunning urchin
It's fine to ask for help with other decisions. A lot of players have done that. It's a good way to learn if people explain the answers.
Like for example in this case, Shadow Slash doesn't apply to Dash-Strikes, and optimally you'd virtually never use the normal attack, so it's useless.
Dash Nova can make the Special > Dash-Strike x2 combo very difficult to control.
Double Nova is just straight up double damage from your Special, and removing the knockback helps you land your combo more easily because you don't have to constantly chase the enemies that you hit with your Special.
It's like... removing the knockback is supposed to be a drawback, but it's actually a buff lol.
turbid needle
It's fine to ask for help with other decisions. A lot of players have done that....
I do appreciate the reassurance there, I mistakenly thought it was against the culture to (at least repeatedly) ask specific decisions to the discord a la how (been out of college for 2 years now so this feels weird to say but) educational discords will help you learn the topic but not give you answers to your homework. But I do see that you can both teach a person to fish and help them with a catch now and then, especially since you've given me so much rationale behind the decision too. If I ever face a sufficiently tough decision then, I might as well post it here. Thank you again!
turbid needle
It's like... removing the knockback is supposed to be a drawback, but it's actua...
haha yeah, I have noticed this, knockback is very situational in this game. I only go knockback purely for knockback if I want a wall crush build, otherwise it's really just tidal dash for the damage
cunning urchin
There's no "sufficiently tough" requirement to ask for help lol.
meager geyser
I think Sword is like the hardest weapon to get a consistent run on
since it's pretty hammer-reliant while having so many goddamn hammers that just nerfs it
remote jackal
Should we unlock every last aspect of the weapons in the following order : sword, spear, shield, bow, gloves, rail ? Or can we unlock first spear and then whatever ?
Tanks
Thanks
turbid needle
Deadly Strike > Heartbreak Flourish > Heart Rend is the classic Nemesis crit bui...
Can't believe I actually did this in this exact order on my first run after hearing this advice (im taking breaks during the run that's why I'm so slow btw) - god boons and fated persuasion make it actually somewhat consistently force-able :O
tight basin
heart rend in aspho end shop gaming
and also who would've thunk taking god keepsakes would be helpful lmao
smoky horizon
hmmm, i was thinking of using the aspect of hera for the first time -- got any ideas of what boons / builds i should use?
cunning urchin
turbid needle
Hera, second hammer, first hammer was point-blank, unfortunately no twin shot, not sure what to do
tight basin
take whatever for prophecy tbh
turbid needle
Also I currently have a massive life total of 400 thanks to an epic chaos boon that gave me +75 maxhp
tight basin
idk if chain shot messes with your cast or not tho
turbid needle
Y'know, I actually have zeus on my special for whatever reason, so relentless volley might be nice, and tru, prophecy meta
tight basin
well the special on hera is pointless lmao
turbid needle
I know xD I barely use it
But when I do use it, I use it at point-blank on enemies with very large hitboxes
tight basin
zeus has an internal cooldown lmao
so you're not nearly doing as much damage as you think with point blank special
turbid needle
why does hades have mechanics they don't tell me about
tight basin
lmao
turbid needle
ah well, I got the prophecy, is what it is
tight basin
for the flourish it's 0.2 sec, for the strike it's 0.15 on chains
so thunder flourish chiron sucks
the internal cooldowns never really matter except on chiron really
turbid needle
That explains why thunder blitz disc is so good. It ticks fast but not so fast that you don't get value
tight basin
yeah
also helps that double strike is bugged to proc way more often than it says
i guess double strike lightning flourish chiron gets you 2 bolts which is neat lmao
turbid needle
Curious, not that I'll ever use Chiron, but what do you take for special enhance on Chiron?
tight basin
artemis (with chaos additive and/or conc volley) or dionysus
both want aphrodite on the atk for their duos
heart rend and low tolerance
dio special uses priv status
turbid needle
good to know! ty
tight basin
np
cunning urchin
https://prnt.sc/mdm5Dy5td4VG
Explosive best out of these. Just picking for prophecy is a good idea though.
meager geyser
What's the build for Rama again? it's standard Artemis attack + Aphro special + Heart Rend right?
Tried a couple of runs with it just now but it just feels so slow to start going so I just give up on all of them, maybe I'm doing it wrong or something
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and get whatever is good on Special. And ideally Divine Dash or Hunter Dash. Although Tidal Dash can work well, just not so much if you have Triple Shot.
Lady Artemis start and picking up whichever has higher rarity out of Hunter Dash and Deadly Strike can work, too.
Thunder Flourish start and Drunken Flourish are also strong.
Shackle not needed if you're doing AP2 until Asphodel usually if you haven't found an Attack yet.
Though can maybe get away with no Attack or Shackle until Elysium if you have a good Special.
tight basin
ocaml starts thunder flourish
thorn tendon
starting zeus or dio special helps a lot for rooms
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish is actually pretty poor compared to other options tbh.
thorn tendon
zeus ofc needs jolted but it’s better once you have that
thorn tendon
if jolted didn’t exist you’d always take dio
tight basin
i wouldn't on rama
cunning urchin
Jolted helps a lot. Otherwise you might as well pick Drunken Flourish or Curse of Pain.
tight basin
the chain lightning clears numbskulls faster
thorn tendon
sure but it’s not like dio is bad at it
tight basin
it's not but thunder flourish is better imo
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish and Curse of Pain kill them fast enough too and scale way better into late game than Thunder Flourish without Jolted.
thorn tendon
agreed (with jolted)
cunning urchin
Either start is fine, though.
thorn tendon
yea
cunning urchin
And Thunder Flourish opens up Zeus' Aid quickly and leaves open a chance for Dionysus' Aid.
thorn tendon
i think w rising heat you hit a point where zeus is needed
ex. top level zeus shield runs also use zeus special and not dio
cunning urchin
i think w rising heat you hit a point where zeus is needed
Hmmm I don't really think so tbh. Might work out better but not strictly needed.
What you'll need eventually is AP2 Greatest Reflex or maybe Hyper Sprint or single dash EM4 will just end you. 
thorn tendon
i think you cut down on resets a lot with dio instead and hangover’s better for most(?) of tart
which it’s not like you need early tart to be free but any time helps
top heat runners are smart enough to be consider all aspects of a start and run whatever’s best
they sure as hell know better than i do
cunning urchin
Tbh a lot of the time it's just what you're comfortable with and is good enough.
And what's more fun.
Because especially with AP2 heats you'll need to reset a lot.
Although until single dash, I don't think Rama really needs to reset much at all. It's very pact-resistant.
thorn tendon
does rama heat record even use ri3
tight basin
no
cunning urchin
Precisely because RI3 sucks so much on Rama.
turbid needle
Hmmm, I'm early in a zeus shield run, already took thunder flourish on my first zeus bc ofc I did, but im between jolted and HV here
thorn tendon
always jolted
turbid needle
okay, I had a heavy lean there toward static discharge, I just didn't know if lightning overlap chaos was a viable thing with HV
Thank you!
thorn tendon
the only reason you wouldn't take jolted there is if you really want epic jolted
turbid needle
Isn't there a jolted-based duo boon?
There it is
Obv taking it for prophecy anyway
Mino rush vs pulverizing blow?
valid dagger
Isn't there a jolted-based duo boon?
It’s situational, if you apply Jolted very easily and reliably it’s basically useless, but if you don’t apply jolted often then it’s alright. Never worth hunting for specifically
valid dagger
Mino rush vs pulverizing blow?
Depends on the wep, pulverizing blow is usually my instinct because Mino isn’t that great and it’s kinda slow especially without cshot
Pulv is solid on the first three shields, moreso on Zag and Chaos attack builds
cunning urchin
Cold Fusion is great for boss fights because you'll inevitably have downtime here and there to dodge in higher heats. And Cold Fusion + ideally Killing Freeze will do lots of DOT even when you're running away.
turbid needle
Just read all this, sounds good! And yeah, it looks like cold fusion is okay, but not super crazy as far as duo boons can go. Definitely was the best pick that time regardless of prophecy, I think. It's definitely getting more damage out.
turbid needle
Depends on the wep, pulverizing blow is usually my instinct because Mino isn’t t...
Gotcha, I ended up going mino before reading this bc 500% seems like a big number, but yeah, I'm rolling a zeus jolted blitz disc build with a bull rush secondary style (first hammer was actually ferocious guard) that applies chill (yes I know demeter's percents are bad, I didn't have very many options at the time and wanted it earlier and figured most of my dps comes from the disc/lightning anyway). Also, pulverizing blow would take away my ability to knock enemies into my blitz disc, so there's that (granted, I usually just end up recalling/throwing it back into them every few seconds rather than trying to herd them all into an already-spinning disc - this is to maintain high mobility, i think, but I could be talkin out of feelycraft here).
But I do notice pulverizing blow is still quite good just for, well, doubling your attack lol. So I'm not surprised it's the default pick.
cunning urchin
Just read all this, sounds good! And yeah, it looks like cold fusion is okay, bu...
Can be the best DOT in the game at times, but at other times it barely does anything. I'd try it more in high heat if that didn't mean not starting with the Eternal Rose, and that'd be blasphemy. I think it's somewhat underrated tbh, and so is chill. Even though chill is already regarded highly.
cunning urchin
Looks like she gave you what you deserve. 
ocean oar
Anyone know if Mirage shot has still got the bug giving higher damage?
plain river
Anyone know if Mirage shot has still got the bug giving higher damage?
Still bugged for beowulf
Full damage on beo rather then just 30%
And it’s also bugged for trippy flare hera I believe
Just all the flares
ocean oar
Cool, thanks for confirming!
gloomy folio
do you use aphro cast for beowulf or dio cast
tight basin
neither
gloomy folio
i was taught to use aphro cast but now i hear people using trippy flare
gloomy folio
sounds like a troll
tight basin
so instead of doing 30% damage, it does a 100%
so you take his cast, artemis atk, and get their duo
gloomy folio
woah
tight basin
aphrodite cast is good, but it has a relatively small radius and can't hit through walls
also considering that beo has big damage so it can make use of priv status with snow burst from demeter
tight basin
eh speedrunners use it lmao
gloomy folio
how long has it been bugged like that?
tight basin
at least a year
devs dont update the game anymore
so whatever bugs are in the game are here to stay
also regarding trippy flare
gloomy folio
damn
tight basin
the cast takes forever to come back so you want to use stygian soul
and then that relies on you getting more casts from chaos/wells
which is a bit unreliable
gloomy folio
makes sense
tight basin
you have potential to deal a ton more damage, esp with the pom bug, but it's way more inconsistent
gloomy folio
yeah i hate relying on chaos for casts
tight basin
for high heat, when you're running stuff like ap1 or ap2, people typically switch to passion flare
because it doesn't rely on a duo, just 2 boons
although you could rng for mirage shot if you start pos cast
gloomy folio
although you could rng for mirage shot if you start pos cast
i think that’s what i’ll do
tight basin
if you're not running approval process it's fine
a single duo isn't too hard to come by
gloomy folio
mhm
tight basin
esp if you have rerolls
tight basin
legacy or pride is fine either way tbh
gloomy folio
i prefer pride
tight basin
most people run legacy for beo, but pride is fine
i think the top beo players use pride? but i think that's mostly because they just reset if they dont get mirage shot when they want to they just reset lmao
tight basin
np
ocean oar
Do either attack and cast boons affect a chargeshot (beowulf)?
rose nexus
Attack boobs affect the charges shot
SMH boons
Casts are launched by a charged shot if loaded
haughty meadow
someone explain why aspect of rama is literally chiron but better
rose nexus
But they’re separate from the charged shot in terms of being affected by your attack boon
haughty meadow
i used to really like chiron but damn rama is so much better
tech is insane
just like chiron but no need to atk first
rose nexus
Just like Chiron except entirely different
turbid needle
What's a good boon to use for GY special? Aphro?
Her percents are high and weak is nice for the low hp
plain river
Yes
turbid needle
Are there any other ones that are really good for it or do most people just target aphro
I guess Athena's might be nice too, percent a bit lower but to deflect everything seems good?
plain river
Any % god will likely work well
Artemis just needs additional chaos additive more then the others
plain river
Artemis just needs additional chaos additive more then the others
And in that case you’d put like athena or aphrodite on strike for deadly reversal or heart rend I believe
turbid needle
Oooh quick spin on GY is good right because then I can heal a bunch?
Quick spin, flaring spin, breaching skewer on first hammer (and no TD so I'm not taking breaching skewer, no time pressure on rooms)
plain river
Quick spin yeah
turbid needle
How does GY healing work? Is it always the same amount of healing, or does it do more healing the more damage you do?
turbid needle
Jesus, I just got offered this on a GY run
Is it time for gaming?
God, I think I might have to fight Lernie with this debuff ;-;
not that Lernie is hard, but then again I DO have quick spin
Screw it, we're gaming today
tight basin
gaming
turbid needle
https://prnt.sc/RzJ8DfIwsSUQ Made it through, but now I'm at a crossroads. I have to take the first one here don't I
Massive spin will do so much leech, it's just breaching skewer melts armor on GY but I guess with no TD it's not as much of an issue (this is just EM3)
tight basin
i'd take extending
turbid needle
Why? I rarely use my normal attack on GY
I'm either special spamming or draining life
turbid needle
noted
plain river
https://prnt.sc/IKQLswuTfggu
Worth
turbid needle
Colossus Knuckle vs. Concentrated Knuckle? (vs. Long Knuckle?)
feral night
if you're using flat damage on fists (as you should be) colossus knuckle
if you have a % boon on your attack go concentrated
turbid needle
I have dio on my attack 
running maxed DemFists with Kinetic Launcher (a.k.a Kamehameha build)
I thought dio would be good for fists because fast hits mean bigger dots
So colossus knuckle then, great
turbid needle
Is rama better than Hera
I just unlocked the first level and it FEELS amazing against skelly
Rama triple shot is confusing me. Do enemies directly in front of me not get hit by all 3?
Is triple shot not even good on rama?
plain river
I thought dio would be good for fists because fast hits mean bigger dots
It’s good enough
thorn tendon
you can hit enemies with all three
3rd run in a row where ares has forced me to replace hunter dash
tight basin
Is triple shot not even good on rama?
2nd best hammer, right behind twin
You either take twin or triple + point blank or perfect
proper yacht
Rama triple shot is confusing me. Do enemies directly in front of me not get hit...
they can get hit by all 3, but it takes some extreme skill to pull it off every attack
also you literally have to hug the enemy for that
hence why twin is generally preferred
loud fossil
no idea if this is the right channel but does anyone know the best kbm bindings fo r speed running?
chrome solar
any good achilles spear builds i can try
turbid needle
First Lucifer run in my life. Need some advice on this hammer. Went zeus for the attack and demeter on the special.
What's good?
Having never used Lucifer before, I've never used any of these hammers before
I'm leaning concentrated beam but I feel like that's antisynergistic with going flat damage and not %-based attack buff
Gonna pause my run and play As Dusk Falls until someone can make a recommendation
plain river
I'm leaning concentrated beam but I feel like that's antisynergistic with going ...
You generally don’t focus on the attack building up damage tbh
sonic arch
plain river
Concentrated beam was the best option anyways thougg because it makes it more likely for you to see triple bomb next hammer
Zeus strike works best for lucifer
It’s a fast attacking weapon and the bolts can hit and explode your bombs before you dash into them to explode them yourself, saving you the time
turbid needle
Concentrated beam was the best option anyways thougg because it makes it more li...
If I'm fishing for triple bomb shouldn't I take greater inferno since that would make triple bomb amazing?
plain river
If I'm fishing for triple bomb shouldn't I take greater inferno since that would...
No because
A) greater inferno doesn’t remove a second hammer from the pool with it
B) you won’t be leaving the bombs around to pulse anyways
turbid needle
And what about the range and speed from fast fire? Just not worth it compared to damage from concentrated beam?
plain river
As stated before: concentrated beam takes out another hammer from the pool with it (eternal chamber)
turbid needle
So it actually does LESS damage than flash fire
is what you're saying
But because it removes a hammer from the pool, it's the better option, in case I get the second one I want - Triple bomb
plain river
As stated before: concentrated beam takes out another hammer from the pool with ...
Improving odds of triple bomb
turbid needle
But to be sure, it does do less than flash fire by itself, right?
plain river
And greater inferno only apllies to the pulsing of the bombs iirc
turbid needle
Flash fire does more DPS but doesn't remove a hammer so it's not as good is what you're saying
plain river
But to be sure, it does do less than flash fire by itself, right?
They’re probably pretty close idk
Flash fire would be the safer pick since waiting for it to charge up can shaft you sometimes
but concentrated beam makes potential dps easier to obtain for finding triple
turbid needle
TBH i think I'll take flash fire since this is my first lucifer run and my hellfire bombs only do 50 instead of the potential 100, I need to max this wep, but I have a maxed Eris instead
So the idea of triple bomb as a whole honestly is not as appealing
It does half the damage it would do on a maxed Lucifer
Focusing on the beam will help me for this run, I think
plain river
it’s still relatively big damage
tight basin
triple bomb best luci hammer
inland palm
Triple bomb so good
plain river
https://prnt.sc/9vlVrT1CT0gx
You have a comparatively high chance of getting the hammers you want on lucifer compared to any other weapon tbh
turbid needle
BRUH. it was all replacements the first time too
I guess I'll go hangover attack since that's actually also pretty decent on lucifer
plain river
https://prnt.sc/ZMERiEGoJC_g
That probably means you have every single dio tier 2
turbid needle
what would you do
turbid needle
That probably means you have every single dio tier 2
ohh I think i actually do
plain river
Take trippy shot
tight basin
yeah trippy
turbid needle
alright trippy shot it is
tight basin
boiling blood is nice and all but that replacement is gonna hurt you the least
turbid needle
thanks yall... big oof there on dio
tight basin
you want to keep lightning strike because the chain lightning procs the special bombs
plain river
Avoiding each aspects meta like hell makes luci so not rad because no lightning strike no tdash for bomb prok
turbid needle
It's a good thing I'm not avoiding the aspect's meta intentionally lol, I just don't know what it is
I'm actually doing really well though
I just beat EM3 heroes without using a DD
plain river
I was just commenting because that’s my challenge rn
No meta
Take all erebus gates
40 heat
turbid needle
oof that sounds no thank you
plain river
I haven’t even cleared 40 heat normally yet but
plain river
No meta
Take all erebus gates
40 heat
And will be done with all aspects
turbid needle
And will be done with all aspects
Does this unlock something or is this a self-challenge
plain river
Self challenge
turbid needle
Well, I believe in you 
plain river
Or really more I got bored and asked and nyaanyaa gave it to me
turbid needle
Do you actually use shackle a lot or is your name ironic
jw
Bc I've been tempted by shackle before but the idea of avoiding boons just seems 
plain river
at one point I had a self imposed challenge like this one
using shackle with all aspects while pushing heat higher
turbid needle
Gotchaa
plain river
don’t take attack/special/cast cores
It was rough
it was fun and rewarding as well
I feel like I’m not making any headway here though compared to with shackle challenge
turbid needle
Even finding other boons would be rough because of the way the boon selection works
It's like you'd need a mod to be able to "pass" on a boon
plain river
Yeah I had to get a dash core to start for it to work most of the time
Or actually
100% of the time
most of them ended up being tidal dash or smouldering air builds tbh
After that was done I jumped to 32 heat then stopped pushing myself higher
remote jackal
Hey, I can't achieve unlocking either lucifer or rama aspect... I already have guan yu aspect and have invested 5 titan bloods in each bow and rail. What are other requirements please ? I keep taking artemis and zeus keepsakes but it won't come even if I give em nectar
errant narwhal
requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
remote jackal
thanks
tight basin
one could argue super soaker is a meta build
remote jackal
requirements are pinned in <#521035166471159828>
should we also evade at least 10 times ?
lucid oar
Escape
hard wedge
true shot + aspect of posideon = fun
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids would you take Hourglass here or go for Hunter Dash or something else entirely? https://i.imgur.com/RAOMjkR.png https://i.imgur.com/YiFOQoo.png
gusty rapids
arty for Hunter dash or pp seems fine. acorn also worth considering
cunning urchin
Got it. Thanks!
plain river
<@144948371428212737> would you take Hourglass here or go for Hunter Dash or som...
TaKe PoS fOr TdAsH 
turbid needle
yes
pick arthur, get aphro attack, athena dash then whatever else and then u win
y u delete
idk I sent it in gen lol
idk why
green trout
Hey, I don't know if this is the right place to put this. But I just wanted to bring up something I don't know if it's a bug or if it can happen randomly. But I have gotten three hammers, and this is without the anvil, I didn't think of it at the time, but the run I'm currently in, I got an anvil in Tartarus, then one from Charon in Asphodel, and then one from a door in Elysium... can this happen normally and it's just rare, or is it unintentional. Because I know you're not supposed to be offered more than 2.
No mods, and I'll open the game back up and get screenshots. I will be on the surface, but I'll take a picture so you know I didn't take the anvil.
I just reopened the game and somehow it's not there... I may have just misremembered and I'm like just gaslighting myself, but I remember having gotten three. I am very confused. It's probably my overtired ass having a very bad memory due to studying for exams.
green trout
Yeah, I should have. I haven't played Hades in a while, and so when it happened I was like that's strange, but wasn't sure due to secondguessing if I had just misremembered how many you get. And I had to pause my run for a bit, and so I checked the wiki later, saw what was up and that's what brought me here.
cunning urchin
I just reopened the game and somehow it's not there... I may have just misrememb...
Perhaps you saw three in the run but didn't take three.
green trout
That must be it. Sorry if I caused any commotion or confusion
cunning urchin
There was a bug in early access that a third hammer could appear as a chamber reward in Styx, but that was fixed ages ago.
echo fjord
so what's the meta for each weapon and respective aspect?
uncut lintel
That is an awfully demanding question of someone lol I feel there are several videos on youtube to provide that
tight basin
so what's the meta for each weapon and respective aspect?
depends what you mean by "meta"
could be for heat or speedrunning
echo fjord
heat
tight basin
like 32, 40, or 45+
because for 32 you can get away with speedrunning builds easily
40 and 45+ gets a bit more specific
and certain aspects kinda start to fall off and become harder to clear with (still doable tho)
echo fjord
Maybe I should rephrase that. How about what weapons would you recommend for each god?
tight basin
that becomes much harder lmfao
echo fjord
Maybe I should rephrase that. How about what weapons would you recommend for eac...
I’m particularly interested in musing Poseidon
tight basin
because multiple aspects can utilize the same god
for poseidon, beowulf works
hestia start tdash
same with achilles
curse of drowning can be decent on fists, but generally not something to aim for
echo fjord
Also sorry if my questions are a bit odd. I’m a tad of a greenhorn
echo fjord
What specifics?
tight basin
well your first question, i needed heat or speedrunning
random perch
Knew I was gonna lose but it still hurt. Had to get that Hermes Feather achievement tho
Oh woops. no photos here. Well I let a run die because I took tons of damage in the pursuit of fast(I did get it)
tight basin
and then at what heat point
echo fjord
well your first question, i needed heat or speedrunning
I uh… idk
tight basin
and aspects for each god, well that's just difficult to do lol
echo fjord
Fair enough
tight basin
because like for speedrunning
every non arthur sword, every spear, every non beowulf shield, and every fist is merciful end
arthur just wants aphrodite atk
beowulf wants flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage shot
just to name a few anyways
but for heat, using ME is just unreliable
so people tend to not go for that unless they want to reset for it
echo fjord
Those sound fun
echo fjord
I hear Gilgamesh ME is good
tight basin
zag bow wants arty/aphrodite atk, chiron wants either arty or dio special with aphrodite atk for their respective duos, hera wants crush shot, rama wants twin shot + aphrodite atk and some flat damage on the special
tight basin
I hear Gilgamesh ME is good
gilga is the worst fists and therefore worst ME aspect out of the viable ones lol
echo fjord
gilga is the worst fists and therefore worst ME aspect out of the viable ones lo...
Really?!
tight basin
yeah
echo fjord
What are the best fists then?
echo fjord
Huh
tight basin
it hits slower, has shorter dashes, and has a longer dash cool down
even the dstrikes are slower
tight basin
Huh
well like
every fist build the same (regarding non-meme builds)
and demeter has the added benefit of the charged upper
tight basin
any meta build would work
and you only need to do that heat level once, so you wouldn't need every aspect build lol
at that point, pick an aspect you like the most and we can get a build for you
every aspect is capable of clearing at least 50 so dont worry about something being not as good as the other
some will be easier than others, but it's whatever just pick what you like
uncut lintel
Very well put
cunning urchin
I already linked guides for meta builds anyway.
echo fjord
I already linked guides for meta builds anyway. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Thank you too.
Blizzard shot on beowulf?
valid dagger
Never 
cunning urchin
You can't get that on Beowulf.
echo fjord
How will curse of drowning work on beowulf?
turbid needle
do the beo upgrades affect damage and aoe of cast boons?
cunning urchin
No.
turbid needle
proper furnace
do the beo upgrades affect damage and aoe of cast boons?
Bad
turbid needle
bad?
hexed summit
What aspects are strong even at rank 1
feral night
arthur for low-level players
twin cloak
zag rail
cunning urchin
What aspects are strong even at rank 1
My Newbie Aspect Leveling Guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
normal ore
hi! do we really need to unlock the aspect of guan yu before we get to unlock the aspect of arthur?
errant narwhal
you just need to reveal it, but you dont need to spend titan blood on it
normal ore
you just need to reveal it, but you dont need to spend titan blood on it
ohhh ok ok thank you!
elder maple
whats beowulf?
plain river
whats beowulf?
Hidden shield aspect
elder maple
ooohh ok okk
worthy jasper
So when is it better to pick which dash talent?
I know the double dash feels better but the damage bonus seems nice as well.
plain river
So when is it better to pick which dash talent?
Greater reflex >>> ruthless reflex unless you are using gilgamesh
worthy jasper
Can you elaborate?
plain river
Two dashes is worth more then 1 dash with ruthless reflex buff
worthy jasper
Because...
worthy jasper
Like if I understood why one is better than the other I wouldn't be asking. I have not crunched numbers.
plain river
Being able to dash more means you can get out of the way of attacks more and move quicker and dash strike more so
worthy jasper
Like does being able to dash strike more offset the damage bonus? Is evading stuff noticeably harder with one dash?
plain river
Evading stuff is noticeably easier with more dashes
and yes having more dashes is generally worth more then the +50% damage and dodge chance ruthless reflex will give you after you dodge an enemy attack
Plus the extra movement an extra dash gives you is also a factor
worthy jasper
Sorry for being a bit adamant about it, I just want to leave no room for doubt
Like the game overall seems to favor offense as a good defense.
But there's some places where the defensive option feels better.
plain river
The extra dash is more offensive and defensive then ruthless reflex
worthy jasper
So what did Gilgamesh do again? Give extra dashes?
worthy jasper
I guess the usefulness of more dashes has some diminishing returns.
plain river
well
Kind of exclusively to gilgamesh in that case
Every aspect would gladly take extra dashes from hermes as well
worthy jasper
I mean 3 dashes to 4 isn't as significant as 1 to 2.
On a similar note, there's that one thingy that either gives more hp or more damage at high hp, but the hp thing seems generally more useful since you can spend long periods of time below that threshold.
plain river
On a similar note, there's that one thingy that either gives more hp or more dam...
Tbh High confidence isn’t used too much outside of speedrunning I think
worthy jasper
It feels like a win more situation.
If you're already godlike enough at avoiding damage you kill things even faster.
plain river
Well
That’s why it has it’s name
You take it if you’re highly confident in yourself
worthy jasper
Another thing then, I'm not really good at reliable backstabs so can I get more mileage out of the other talent. Sorry, no good at names.
The one that deals big initial hits.
plain river
Another thing then, I'm not really good at reliable backstabs so can I get more ...
That’s fine then
Fiery presence and shadow presence are both valid
worthy jasper
Like, especially with stuff like bosses that see more mileage out of the former, I just don't really go out if my way for the backstab.
But the latter might help with regular encounters more.
plain river
The latter should help regular encounters more
worthy jasper
Now for something else.
Do percent damage modifiers apply to added damage such as chaos attack damage and lightning strike?
plain river
Do percent damage modifiers apply to added damage such as chaos attack damage an...
Depends
If it’s specifically an attack/special/cast +% then it’s additive with other percentages
But it doesn’t affect stuff like dionysus or zeus bolts or doom
and if it doesn’t specify any type of attack or cast etcetera it applies to all your damage so your lightning bolts and doom
If that makes sense
worthy jasper
Ok but say I run Lightning Rail then Attack +% is applied to base damage only?
plain river
Yes
worthy jasper
But the global damage increase from standing in the special blast radius does apply to the lightning bolts?
whole osprey
Another thing then, I'm not really good at reliable backstabs so can I get more ...
fiery is useless for some aspects
also with shadow u dont normally try to get backstabs it just kind of happens
turbid needle
Hi, about to do my first ever Arthur run!
(mostly just for the prophecy)
What hammers should I target?
tight basin
shadow slash or double edge
turbid needle
shadow slash or double edge
shadow slash doesn't work on dash strikes right?
turbid needle
Okay, cool, so I won't be dash-striking nearly as much
tight basin
200% backstab bonus so why not
turbid needle
Wait, then what's the point of double edge?
Since that's all about dash striking yeah?
Is it one or the other?
tight basin
i mean you can dash strike every now and then
it's just that if there's no better options
might as well
idk the standard arthur rotation, but there's prob a dstrike in there
turbid needle
So no really good hammers arthur-specific?
turbid needle
alright
tight basin
bigger aura and projectiles move even slower
but yeah hammer wise, shadow slash or dedge are just gonna be good but not stellar
cosmic karma
i was doing a run with the aspect of lucifer
and i got a hammer
i chose the one that lets me shoot out 3 hellfires
ashen shoal
chiron bow
plain river
And whats the third boon option
ashen shoal
dash-strike is better, but I'm not trading it for my divine dash
plain river
Pressure points so you can hope for a better call imo
ashen shoal
thanks! I like artemis' call most of the time but it's hard to pass up pp. maybe I'll see if I can get posiedon call
plain river
Artemis call is kinda one of the worse off ones
And poseidons is as well imo but it can be good in a pinch for repositioning/defence
cosmic karma
bomb
cunning urchin
Crystal Beam and Rama have no inherent synergy.
haughty meadow
aight thank you
cunning urchin
You'd be better off using Crystal Beam on Achilles or Poseidon where it gets bonus damage.
Because +50% bonus damage, and some people would rather play sword + beams than spear + beams, I guess.
It's not like the go-to Poseidon builds use its gimmick much either.
worthy jasper
fiery is useless for some aspects
For example?
valid dagger
If you’re using the Poseidon gimmick it usually means your damage is ass
whole osprey
For example?
like rama
valid dagger
It’s never entirely useless but it also depends on the context
If you’re playing high heat rama you almost never run fiery
But speedruns use it
To hit breakpoints and because sometimes you prefire while a wave is spawning and you just avoid using the special to save some time
So having those initial hits do big chunks is better in that scenario
tight basin
Fiery rama works fine because you can still insta kill a few enemies at once
valid dagger
You should be one shotting enemies with casts and finishing them off with dash strikes, no gimmicks here
You’ll use it in bosses sometimes, not much if your damage is good enough because the boss would be phased but doesn’t happen all the time obviously
worthy jasper
So special sets up for attack?
Ok so how do I decide whether I want blood shards to increase damage or reduce speed?
worthy jasper
And similarly how do I decide between the two reroll types?
cunning urchin
Persuasion better 9.999 out of 10 times.
tight basin
Fated persuasion is always going to be stronger pretty much
worthy jasper
Which one is that?
tight basin
Authority is only stronger if you're doing a meme run
worthy jasper
I do like boon rerolls, but I do think a case can be made for rerolling for like more darkness/hearts.
tight basin
You don't need as much hp when you have a good build
And darkness isn't helpful in the middle of a run
Even if you're farming for darkness you're gonna get the majority from bosses so you'd rather have a stronger build anyways
worthy jasper
Darkness for healing/max life.
tight basin
Dark regen kinda mid tho
cunning urchin
It's an idea, but no.
tight basin
And the max life you get from it isn't that important to prioritize tbh
If anything you'd want to reroll for more gods anyways
But that's still eh
cunning urchin
Authority doesn't even come close to the value of being able to reroll Lord Hermes boons, high rarity boons, etc.
worthy jasper
Or taking rail and find every boon other than lightning strike.
plain river
I do like boon rerolls, but I do think a case can be made for rerolling for like...
Rerolling for darkness doesn’t have a case at all since the amount you get from regular chambers is pitiful
And rerolling for centaur hearts is just
cunning urchin
Best use for Authority is on miniboss exits where you're guaranteed a god boon in order to roll away from gods you don't want in your pool or roll towards the 1-2 gods you want. But that still doesn't come close to Persuasion.
plain river
Rerolling for darkness doesn’t have a case at all since the amount you get from ...
And since dark regen is based off the amount of darkness gained it’s also pitiful healing
worthy jasper
So you guys think healing per room is better? Like I know it's objectively better in Styx, but is that true overall?
tight basin
Or taking rail and find every boon *other* than lightning strike.
Yeah
It's just more consistent
Also considering that you should be running dark foresight you're not gonna see a lot of darkness
worthy jasper
I'm so bad with perk names.
worthy jasper
Not rarity up?
tight basin
Gold
Boon rarity only matters on Hermes chaos and very select few others
And also with gods pride you'd have a 20% chance of epic
worthy jasper
I thought many boons are significantly better with higher rarity.
tight basin
I mean ofc theyre better
But most of the time a single rarity increase is the same as a pom
Doom and Aphrodite atk don't really follow that rule
worthy jasper
So what about rate up for legendary/duo?
tight basin
You're hardly ever hunting for a legendary and even tho most builds revolve around finding a duo, that duo isn't really a make or break
It's just nice
Having epic boons can also carry
cunning urchin
MiKE wrote a great mirror guide here if you're interested: #h1-for-new-players message
tight basin
And since duos aren't make or break it's better to choose gods pride
Well why do you have a garbage build lmao
There's other pressing issues that need to be fixed rather than a mirror perk
Wouldn't take legacy for it
tight basin
You just might as well do it because you're gonna see more Zeus anyways
And you expect to get smair with bad rng lol
So it didn't fix your problem lmao
worthy jasper
I think I'll keep rare+ until I have enough of the perma rewards. And I'll probably get legendary/duo up for the prophecies and respec later.
It's just for the prophecies.
tight basin
Still died tho lol
worthy jasper
How does pride help me get legos faster?
tight basin
Sounds like a you problem
tight basin
How does pride help me get legos faster?
It's selective bias lol dont listen to him
If you're hunting for prophecy just take legacy
Pride and dark foresight is gonna be more consistent for winning runs tho
worthy jasper
It's only one key for respec.
tight basin
If you want to do that then go for it
worthy jasper
I'll go dark foresight once I don't need all that nectar anymore.
I appreciate the input.
How significant is the increase in run rewards?
cunning urchin
Let's say the normal ratio for gold laurel to blue laurel rewards is 50:50. Dark Foresight changes that to 70:30. That's like 40% more gold laurel rewards.
For a more visual comparison, here's my 52 Heat run from when Dark Foresight didn't exist yet (was bugged in Early Access) followed by my 51 Heat run with Dark Foresight. https://i.imgur.com/icHDmZJ.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775637549044465674/836225642248142878/Hades_2400.png
worthy jasper
Is there ever any merit in fishing for heroic boons?
cunning urchin
Nah.
worthy jasper
RD?
plain river
unless it’s heroic RD <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
Although the only way to get that would be through eury
Rush delivery
worthy jasper
I didn't even think Rush Delivery would have a heroic version lol.
plain river
every non-legendary hermes boon can hit heroic but only through eurydice
worthy jasper
Seems hard to get. By that point you'd have so many boons it's hard to hit the one you want.
worthy jasper
Demeter is another method.
plain river
Plus you can also just rng manipulate eury
plain river
Demeter is another method.
Nope
worthy jasper
You could have like 5 by Asphodel.
plain river
Rare crop cannot hit hermes boons
worthy jasper
It can't?
plain river
it can’t
You can rng manipulate eurydice’s poms or rarity increase it’s just usually not worth it over just taking refreshing nectar
Like 99/100 times not worth it
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids Arrowhead for Pressure Points or maybe for True Shot/Deadly Flourish + Heart Rend, or Poseidon for Breaking Wave, or Lord Zeus for Smair? Or any better ideas? https://i.imgur.com/xK6umjM.png
plain river
<@144948371428212737> Arrowhead for Pressure Points or maybe for True Shot/Deadl...
Athena for parting shot and unshakeable mettle
cunning urchin
Athena for parting shot and unshakeable mettle
velvet remnant
Curse of Nausea(Dionysius - Ares) or Low Tolerance(Dionysius - Aphrodite)
urgent this is right before Hades
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is better DPS.
worthy jasper
You can rng manipulate eurydice’s poms or rarity increase it’s just usually not ...
Manipulate how? And refreshing nectar is worth taking?
cunning urchin
Refreshing Nectar is easily the best option 9 out of 10 times.
plain river
Curse of Nausea(Dionysius - Ares) or Low Tolerance(Dionysius - Aphrodite)
urgen...
Whats your way of applying hangover
On what aspect
plain river
Manipulate how? And refreshing nectar is worth taking?
You take the option
Don’t like it’s results? Quit the game through pause menu
Cast or summon one more time then you did last time
Rinse repeat till perfect combo
cunning urchin
@plain river trying to convert another poor soul, without success. 
worthy jasper
How weird is it that I always pass over nectar?
plain river
Low Tolerance is better DPS.
If your form of applying hangover is via call then I’d take curse of nausea personally
cunning urchin
Not weird at all. It's not like it's easy to figure out what's best on your own.
We used to pick Pom Porridge nearly every time early on lol.
worthy jasper
No I mean, how weird is it?
plain river
It’s not weird
worthy jasper
Like if I have ~4-5 boons doesn't pom just make sense?
Like the things you have and are already good just get better vs some random future boons that probably won't add much to the build.
plain river
Like if I have ~4-5 boons doesn't pom just make sense?
Unless every boon has good pom scaling, ehhh
Even then I’d still take nectar
worthy jasper
At the very least it's likely to hit your main offensive boon no?
cunning urchin
Refreshing Nectar gives you better duo/legendary chances and importantly has a very high chance of hitting an upcoming Lord Hermes boon. And if you use Fated Persuasion to reroll the boon that's boosted by Refreshing Nectar, those rerolls still get the boost.
worthy jasper
Less success chance.
cunning urchin
Pom Porridge is situational. Ambrosia Delight is even more situational.
worthy jasper
In Asphodel? How?
plain river
Less success chance.
I mean
100% is 100% for both of them
worthy jasper
But why wait for an uncertain future?
If you have five boons and can only hit two?
cunning urchin
It's not really all that uncertain, experienced players have a pretty clear understanding of what they're going for.
plain river
Plus anyways
worthy jasper
Reroll it?
plain river
By the time you hit eury you’ll probably still have a hermes to grab
So refreshing nectar gives you improved rd
Or improved whichever boon
worthy jasper
How do you get rd without a speed bonus?
plain river
How do you get rd without a speed bonus?
You’ll likely have first hermes at that point
I think
worthy jasper
What if I don't want to do that?
gusty rapids
<@144948371428212737> Arrowhead for Pressure Points or maybe for True Shot/Deadl...
I’d prolly go arty, marked and HR are solid. maybe zeus in ely then
worthy jasper
Do I need a reason?
plain river
What if you don’t want a better rarity potential rush delivery?
plain river
What if you don’t want a better rarity potential rush delivery?
Or greatest reflex
worthy jasper
I just can't really imagine any situations where I'd pick the nectar.
I'd be betting on something completely random where anything can happen, probably something useless.
Stupid autocorrect.
cunning urchin
If it was probably useless, we wouldn't take it in near every speedrun or high heat run.
worthy jasper
Well you guys have a better understanding of the game than me so that only makes sense
lucid oar
nectar is op before hermes
plain river
I'd be betting on something completely random where anything can happen, probabl...
It’s literally 3 different boon pick ups as well, odds are you get value from extra rarity on at least one of those
worthy jasper
What if I don't hit that shop?
plain river
What… if you die before there?
lucid oar
what shop
plain river
Aspho end shop
lucid oar
youre guaranteed to be offered aspho end shop
plain river
Either way
lucid oar
so unless you take enshrouded curse
worthy jasper
But what if I don't take it?
plain river
It’s value no matter what unless you never take a boon after picking it up
lucid oar
But what if I don't take it?
why wouldnt you
plain river
But what if I don't take it?
Then you didn’t take it
worthy jasper
Because I don't want the shop?
plain river
Both of the other options are pretty lack lustre
plain river
Even if you don’t take shop nectar is still value
lucid oar
yeah
worthy jasper
Only if you have money that you're not saving.
lucid oar
since first reward of elysium is commonly hermes
plain river
Only if you have money that you're not saving.
Saving money is 4 iq
tight basin
The only argument for not taking endshop is if you're broke or the other doors have a free god boon you want/need
lucid oar
THE DIAMOND
plain river
Profit
plain river
THE DIAMOND
Irrelevant, winning faster more better
worthy jasper
I mean there's also the possibility of having no money at all.
worthy jasper
And the other door gives something good for the low low price of free.
Or a well
I mean I wasn't even considering nectar anymore lol.
plain river
Literally no matter which way you spin it nectar is giving you value here
lucid oar
And the other door gives something good for the low low price of free.
so take it, shop is good but you wouldnt go there if youre broke
worthy jasper
I forgot that this was about nectar.
plain river
often more value then pom porridge or the rarity upgrading option
worthy jasper
I guess I'm just not big brain enough to just imagine all these infinite variables.
lucid oar
do you wanna hear my word
plain river
You have every other person who was typing nectar good
worthy jasper
I meant a more general you.
lucid oar
i take nectar if i havent seen one or more hermes yet, or if i want a duo boon asap
worthy jasper
Like 'only the word of everyone here', if you will.
lucid oar
i take ambrosia if ive already got my full build (including hermes) and my boons dont scale well with poms
plain river
I don’t have my words straight to words rn
lucid oar
else i take poms
worthy jasper
Like this is just a very complicated statistic calculation and I'm bad at that kind of math. I'm more of a spatial kinda guy.
lucid oar
it just takes practice to know whats good
worthy jasper
Like the odds of boons you want appearing that you for some reason don't already have.
lucid oar
but youll never really go wrong with any option
plain river
Like the odds of boons you want appearing that you for some reason don't already...
Rerolls
or just
velvet remnant
Whats your way of applying hangover
it was Sword(Nemesis) on Primary, but had the Cursed Strike(-% hp, 2hp per hit) hammer
Died on P1 hades
plain river
it was Sword(Nemesis) on Primary, but had the Cursed Strike(-% hp, 2hp per hit) ...
Then low tolerance was the way to go
nectar good because it likely hit 2nd hermes
brittle nest
I didn’t say that right
velvet remnant
i'd say take enough nectar to get 1 on each god then take it as a last resort
cunning urchin
I guess I'm just not big brain enough to just imagine all these infinite variabl...
From my perspective being one of the first to take Refreshing Nectar like every time, most aren't big brain enough for that.
worthy jasper
What's this about second Hermes anyway?
plain river
The second hermes boon you find
worthy jasper
What makes you so sure you'll get it?
plain river
Or greatest reflex
tight basin
Need Hermes? Nectar
Have everything and your stuff has bad pom scaling? Ambrosia
Got everything you want? Poms
plain river
What makes you so sure you'll get it?
Rerolls
brittle nest
nectar is good bc you will probably hit your 2md Hermes, and even if you don’t then it can help get a duo boon
worthy jasper
I thought you reroll boons not rewards.
lucid oar
What makes you so sure you'll get it?
its really common to get hermes in late aspho or early elysium
plain river
And also being blessed by rng because I complained about rng in the SGG discord server
tight basin
What makes you so sure you'll get it?
Well you just hope you get it with rerolls
If you do get it it'll be a good rarity
worthy jasper
But what if you don't get Hermes at all?
plain river
I thought you reroll boons not rewards.
Yeah
You reroll your hermes boon options for a new 3 options
tight basin
But what if you don't get Hermes at all?
Then you're not running dark foresight probably
lucid oar
yeah
brittle nest
But what if you don't get Hermes at all?
practically impossible
tight basin
Or you just actively avoided him
plain river
But what if you don't get Hermes at all?
Damn thats crazy, at least you got 3 upgraded rarity boons
tight basin
If you already have 2 Hermes you're not gonna get another until Styx shop
cunning urchin
You're virtually guaranteed two Lord Hermes boons. Just like you're virtually guaranteed two Daedalus Hammers. (Second hammer can't appear before Elysium.)
plain river
Just like you’re virtually guaranteed to get what you want with enough rng manip
But rng is rng so it’s not an actual guarantee
cunning urchin
Just like you’re virtually guaranteed to get what you want with enough rng manip...
You and your RNG manipulation. Go do Baj's 64 Heat route.
worthy jasper
You say rng manip as if everyone just does that.
plain river
I say it
Because I do it
lucid oar
very few people do that ngl
plain river
Not because everyone does it
lucid oar
i never do
plain river
Rng manip my favourite
worthy jasper
Even in speedruns rng manip is a waste of time unless you play seeded.
plain river
I don’t remember the last time I actually… did rng manipulte thougg
plain river
Even in speedruns rng manip is a waste of time unless you play seeded.
You can’t rng manipulate speedruns
lucid oar
its not banned
plain river
Exiting the game is the issue
lucid oar
but theres just no way to tell if your manip does anything beneficial
rng manip doesnt mean quitting the game
worthy jasper
Seeded runs do nothing but rng manip.
lucid oar
well theres skill required too
cunning urchin
@plain river you and that Tree over there have something in common after all.
plain river
<@733775512991694900> you and that Tree over there have something in common afte...
Ee
ew
Never
cunning urchin
That's rude.
plain river
I hate rng manip now
worthy jasper
Well yeah you have to memorize exactly how many rolls you need to waste for every single room i couldn't do that.
cunning urchin
Most of the time yeah lol.
lucid oar
routed runs are the real manipped runs
worthy jasper
Isn't that what seeded is?
lucid oar
seeded means the at least the first chamber is determined before the run
routed is the whole run
being determined beforehand
worthy jasper
Oh huh
cunning urchin
A lot of our early high heat clears after we changed the leaderboard rules ended up going onto the seeded board because we forgot to record previous death.
thorn tendon
if you see someone mashing summon it’s routed
worthy jasper
I don't even understand this lingo tbh.
thorn tendon
it’s p much impossible to know anything past the first chamber without manips
worthy jasper
Didn't record previous death?
lucid oar
unseeded speedruns need to show a death at the start
cunning urchin
From your previous run.
gusty rapids
the best way to show you don’t know anything about a seed (what an unseeded run is), is to show a death beforehand. deaths reset the seed in hades
worthy jasper
Oh to guarantee a fresh seed
lucid oar
yeah
worthy jasper
So to alleviate some confusion about the earlier matter.
cunning urchin
@gusty rapids entering Elysium. Arrowhead for Pressure Points + Mark or just go Acorn or consider Hourglass or...? https://i.imgur.com/Glvl3uq.png
thorn tendon
i think there’s a hera guide somewhere
worthy jasper
There seems to be something I need to know about the way the game rolls boons.
cunning urchin
i think there’s a hera guide somewhere
That's not Hera lol.
lucid oar
mom pom tbh
thorn tendon
oh i saw aphro and assumed
worthy jasper
Like when it says "boons get increased rarity" implies it takes a boon that it rolled and increases the rarity by one.
cunning urchin
Ty ty.
worthy jasper
Oh wait, maybe it's because the game likes using the same word to refer to different things.
worthy jasper
Like when the game says 'boon' it can refer to the perks themselves, but it can also refer to the item that gives said perks.
lucid oar
this was after an hour of barely making it out of tart fwiw
worthy jasper
And both have rarity as well.
Isn't there a rare boon that gives a higher chance for rarer boons?
lucid oar
only chaos eclipse rewards
worthy jasper
....See why the lingo is confusing sometimes?
lucid oar
those boons arent refered as rare boons ingame tho
worthy jasper
Does the game refer to it as anything?
tight basin
https://imgur.com/a/YOc2CN3 never punished
That happened to me at the start of Ely lmao
Than patty miniboss and shop (not in that order)
worthy jasper
Ok but in any case can I accurately say the wording on the nectar is confusing?
tight basin
Oh and fountain
lucid oar
Ok but in any case can I accurately say the wording on the nectar is confusing?
If it confuses you, it’s confusing
worthy jasper
Like if I get a boon 'with increased rarity' I was not expecting lego/duo.
I'll believe you if you say that but I was not expecting that.
lucid oar
I dont think there’s any point in trying to deny if something is confusing or not when it’s clearly confusing you
worthy jasper
Or described weird?
Nk?
Anyway so the reality is that nectar also affects the rate for lego/duo, which I guess changes how I look at it.
Does this also count for the rarity buffs from well/chaos?
plain river
Yarn just makes the floor blue
chaos improves duo/legendary rate iirc
Yarn just makes the lowest possible rarity blue
Chaos improves odds of blue purple leg and duo afaik
gusty rapids
ye chaos favor improves chances for duos and legendaries
it’s the same chance as gods legacy
cunning urchin
Yarn improves duo/legendary chances too lol. It's the exact same effect as Refreshing Nectar but for only 1 boon.
worthy jasper
So yarn works entirely differently from nectar despite using very similar wording?
plain river
Yarn improves duo/legendary chances too lol. It's the exact same effect as Refre...
My life is a lie
lucid oar
isnt yarn just nectar/3
worthy jasper
Oh no I guess it does work like nectar nvm
Sorry a bunch of messages appeared as I was typing.
Now what happens if nectar and yarn are active at the same time, do they wait for each other or do they stack and get used at once?
cunning urchin
Why are there still people who are confused, we laid all of this out like two years ago for y'all.
lucid oar
Now what happens if nectar and yarn are active at the same time, do they wait fo...
One gets used
They don’t stack
cunning urchin
yarn goes first I believe yeah
Wasn't it whichever you got first is used first?
Fairly sure, but I could be wrong.
gusty rapids
im pretty sure I’ve gotten yarns after nectar and the yarn was used up but I could very easily be misremembering
worthy jasper
I mean functionally it doesn't make much difference which goes first.
gusty rapids
tldr idk
worthy jasper
Just that they don't go at the same time .
cunning urchin
Legendary boons get a free Pom
I wasn't around yet for pommable legendaries, unfortunately.
worthy jasper
Although I did frequently pick up yarns I guess I still underestimated them.
Wonder if it's worth rerolling wells now.
Not just for a yarn just in general.
What's special about Styx wells?
Oh because minor boons can be used for Hades.
I like switching to hourglass if the well has a heal per room in it and I'm pretty damaged.
cunning urchin
Wonder if it's worth rerolling wells now.
Usually only on Cast builds with Hourglass equipped.
worthy jasper
Fishing for +blood gems?
cunning urchin
Cast damage, bonus Casts, armor damage (applies to Casts as well), Attack, first-hit damage, backstab damage, bonus god gauge, bonus movement speed...
tight basin
And more cast damage
cunning urchin
Primarily for Cast damage and bonus Casts though, yeah.
turbid needle
Best flares on Beowulf?
cunning urchin
Flood Flare into Mirage Shot for speed. Passion Flare + Snow Burst (with Privileged Status) for Heat.
turbid needle
Okoi
tight basin
Law of equivalent exchange
turbid needle
So trippy beo and flood-mirage beo are two good builds
tight basin
So trippy beo and flood-mirage beo are two good builds
Oh btw all beo builds except for trippy want to use infernal soul
Trippy uses stygian
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare Beowulf is bad for consistent builds but good for funny big numbers if things go well.
tight basin
Pom bug moment
cunning urchin
I don't even bring that one up unless somebody asks. Beowulf bugs is a rabbit hole.
near ferry
Hi everyone im a newbie to Hades 
I kinda wanted to ask this but is the Athena dash boon good because of the athena ares doom build or is it just good in general?
I saw ppl on yt saying that its almost a must have
meager geyser
it's a very good boon especially when you are just starting out
tight basin
But it's a good defensive dash and works great with merciful end
near ferry
ill prob try the athena ares duo now ig
what do you think is the weapon that works best w the build?
i did a decent amount of runs but ive only been mainly focusing on damage% builds on my normal attacks so far
meager geyser
lots of weapons does well with it, but personally I think the fists are the best
near ferry
im just done w the first run 
cant even get a single athena boon let alone merciful end
cunning urchin
It's gonna be hard to force builds if you don't even have the gods' keepsakes yet.
near ferry
It's gonna be hard to force builds if you don't even have the gods' keepsakes ye...
i have all of them 
but i dont think they help much to actually get a specific god no?
im putting on Athenas owl pendant atm, the first time i use a god's keepsafe
brittle nest
well considering they make your first boon that one, I’d say it does help
twin cloak
I don't even bring that one up unless somebody asks. Beowulf bugs is a rabbit ho...
spaghetti plate classic
valid dagger
i have all of them <:KEKW:763728410144276491> but i dont think they help much to...
They guarantee you a boon from that god and put them in your god pool so it’s really important for targeting certain builds
For a Merciful End build you’re gonna be starting Ares and forcing Athena in Asphodel almost every run
near ferry
it guarrantees the first boon after you escape the house right?
or just every time you start getting into a new area?
valid dagger
If the keepsake has a charge then the boon can appear anywhere
shrewd dew
i have all of them <:KEKW:763728410144276491> but i dont think they help much to...
Literally that's their entire point
tight basin
i mean technically since you can only switch right before a new biome you're not completely wrong lol
it just wont be the first thing you see when you enter the biome tho
shrewd dew
Make sure you get the God you want + rarity bonus
near ferry
oh
shrewd dew
So for example start Ares swap Athena you've then you can swap 2 more times for what you want in end game
tight basin
can't reuse keepsakes tho
opal urchin
They guarantee you a boon from that god and put them in your god pool so it’s re...
exactly exactly!! did a hunting blades build the other day and the game was determined to give me every god but artemis so i uses the keepsake and then found her a lot more
near ferry
also when we alr have 2 boons that are required for the duo from the 2 gods there is still only some chance that the duo boon will appear right?
shrewd dew
Yes
tight basin
also you can only find 4 (or 5 depending on shop shenanigans) naturally in a run
once you get 4 gods, you wont see any other different ones unless you force it with a keepsake
shrewd dew
That's why I always use Duo % on my mirror
opal urchin
also when we alr have 2 boons that are required for the duo from the 2 gods ther...
i will usually use the fate re-roller thing if i know i qualify for a duo boon
opal urchin
That's why I always use Duo % on my mirror
duo % is so good
tight basin
legacy kinda mid
finding 1 duo generally isn't too much of an issue most of the time
near ferry
i will usually use the fate re-roller thing if i know i qualify for a duo boon
do u know the specific chances?
shrewd dew
Duo % + reroll makes it almost a given
tight basin
12% for a duo/legendary
opal urchin
do u know the specific chances?
not really i just have insanely good luck 😰
near ferry
oh and it can be increased by the mirror ig
tight basin
with legacy it's +10% obv
opal urchin
10% if it's a miniboss
really?? i thought they increase boon rarity so that would include duo boons??
tight basin
no lol
tight basin
miniboss is like
guaranteed rare+ basically
i think?
that might be tartarus only iirc
valid dagger
Tart only
tight basin
ah festive
valid dagger
It’s really high odds for others tho so it’s not very noticeable
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
90% for rare compared to 10%