h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

Newer players have much longer boss fights, so it can heal quite a lot of HP in a fight.

It's not bad, it's just very situational.

[plain river]

HL5 halves stubborn roots’ usefulness

[cunning urchin]

Or you could say healing is more important when enemies do more damage.

[plain river]

It halves the effectiveness of your hp when the enemies are doing twice as much

[cunning urchin]

Yes, but that's not the only factor to determine how useful it is.

Stubborn Roots is useful when it's preventing a run loss and useless when it's not preventing a run loss. If you're not in danger of losing a run with HL0 but in danger of losing a run with HL5, then it will be useless for HL0 but potentially useful for HL5.

[plain river]

👍

[thorn tendon]

you can apply that logic to any boon

[wary adder]

heart of stone

i rest my case

[thorn tendon]

if you’re going to win without it then it’s bad 👍

[vale imp]

Since boonless runs are a thing, then aren’t all boons bad then

[wary adder]

boons arent good, some are just less bad than the others 🧠

[floral wraith]

best arthur build?

mainly curious as to what attack is best so I know who to make my keepsake

[feral night]

get a % attack, heartbreak strike is good (not common preferably)
don't get tempest strike it's bad
deadly strike isn't that good because of breakpoints

and yeah that's it arthur's one of the one-boon weapons, just get heartbreak strike and add whatever onto it

[tight basin]

deadly strike is good if you want to reset/rely on chaos additives lol

quick strike from hermes is gonna be nice

just make sure to not run damage control

shadow slash or double edge is gonna be your best hammers

shadow slash if you want to go for those back stabs, dedge if you want your dstrikes to more damage so your damage cycles are stronger

and less dependent on whether or not you back stab or not

[plain river]

Deadly strike isn’t good because of inconsistency on slow attacking weapons

[tight basin]

well it's also a breakpoint issue

you're always gonna be taking more swings than normal to kill enemies, and every now and then when you crit, it's just overkill

so both i guess, breakpoints and inconsistency

[plain river]

Yeah it’s both

because you’re either doing slightly too little damage without additive, or far too much

[plain river]

pos strike has abyssmal damage

[acoustic vale]

And it knocks your enemies away so you can't hit them again

[timid spoke]

does artemis dash stack with attack damage increases?

also, does it work with broken shackle to increase attack damage more?

[lucid oar]

yes and yes

[plain river]

Yes, but additively

[timid spoke]

k thanks

[woeful kernel]

So, I suck at using the bow. What are some suggestions on how I can git gud?

[tight basin]

always dash strike with it

charges 33% faster, does less damage, but it's worth the speed

[woeful kernel]

Ah, gotcha. That would also fix the issue I have with sitting in one place trying to do damage.

So now I just gotta teach my fingers to click before pressing space. 😅

[tight basin]

to dash strike you click after you press space

dash-attack

[woeful kernel]

...And that's why I've been failing at it this whole time.

[tight basin]

lmfao

[thorn tendon]

there’s a tutorial in the top left of the screen in the skelly area btw

for each wep

[meager geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI1QIsV7bg

This video states that Mirage Shot is bugged on Beowulf shield, where the extra cast deals 100% damage instead of the supposed 30%.
Considering that the video was uploaded on September last year, is this information still up to date?

[vale imp]

Yep it’s up to date

It’s never been patched and will likely never be patched

[meager geyser]

oh wow lmao

the game's code thought that the aspect isn't busted enough so it produces this bug

[cunning urchin]

Maybe Amir made it do 100% on Beowulf because he wanted an easy run while playing, but then he forgot to change it back before releasing the build, and now he's too embarassed to admit it, so that's why he's not fixing it.

Thanks, Amir.

[plain river]

I’d say it’s something like flares not counting as normal casts but isn’t mirage shot normal on hera with trippy?

[icy linden]

Okay so, really dumb question, I don't understand how to be able to make builds that are quick and deal lots of damage and upgrade my boons to really high levels in a short amount of time. Like, I see some people posting their builds and their wins and it's below 20 mins with extreme damage and health below 300. I just really wanna focus on the story but the runs are taking me a long and difficult time.

(if you reply to me, do it with @ on, so I can see the notification)

[plain river]

Any aspects in specific that you are using?

Actually I could just drop the article with actual good builds for each aspect then talk more generally

[cunning urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

Good starting point.

Well, sub 20 isn't exactly speedrunning, but the same tactics apply anyway.

[icy linden]

I like using aspect of Zagreus on the spear and aspect of Chiron on bow

[icy linden]

Ohh I'm saving that thanks

[cunning urchin]

Those are not fast aspects to be fair.

[plain river]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-talos-fists

[icy linden]

This is the article?

[plain river]

Not that it’s anywhere near impossible to sub20 with them

Yes

[icy linden]

Hmm any recommendations?

And okay thanks for the article I'm saving it to read later^^

[lucid oar]

All aspects can go fast, but the easiest to do so is Eris

[plain river]

Fastest aspects per weapon (I think?:
Nemesis
Achilles
Beowulf
Hera
Demeter
Eris

[icy linden]

Ohh I remember using Hera and Achilles and they were actually kinda faster indeed

Thanks a lot guys ^^

[plain river]

tbh there are some interactions that aren’t always obvious about each aspect /hammers /boons

Makes it a little rougher to figure everything out on your own

[meager geyser]

You can check out Duunk0's channel, they do high-level speedrunning
https://www.youtube.com/@Duunk0

In particular, their Weapon Aspect: Explained videos are really good.

They go in depth into a build, explain how the build works while also keeping it entertaining and not overwhelming.

Some of the stuffs he talks about are only really for high-level speedrunning though, but you can just not apply them in your runs

I recommend starting out with the Beowulf Shield, since I think it's the easiest fast high damage weapon to use
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI1QIsV7bg

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf requires twice as much thinking as Eris, though.

That's a joke. 2x 0 thinking is still 0 thinking.

[pseudo fog]

hey everyone , can some one help me with a build? i rock the chiron aspect for the bow , any good combo boons for it?

[pseudo fog]

tried it , never got the duos i want lol

[plain river]

It’s not make or break without the duos

just pom the heck out of the special

alternatively you can put artemis on special and look for heart rend, you really hope for concentrated and relentless volley in that case, plus you’ll need additive damage from chaos or wells

[tight basin]

curse of nausea is extremely optional, you only go for it if you find curse of vengeance from ares naturally without forcing it
low tolerance also isn't necessary for chiron, but it's just super nice

[sturdy kindle]

my first time beating hades i had level 10 dio special on bow lmao

[tight basin]

hangover poms go hard

[minor topaz]

all hail lord dionysus

[topaz mauve]

what better to take from Eurydice?

[brisk moon]

depends on what you currently have

[cunning urchin]

9 out of 10 times, Refreshing Nectar is best.

[topaz mauve]

ty!!!

[potent hound]

do i ask here for help picking boons?

im kinda new to the game and playing on two heat atm, generally i know what boons to pick but atm im really stumped

[plain river]

Really depends on the weapon/aspect

[potent hound]

i can describe

i have all the relevant info on hand

idk the names of all of them tho

[plain river]

Which boons you want changes based on which aspect and weapon you are using, aside from that you’ll pretty much always want either greatest reflex (extra dashes) or hypersprint (short movespeed boost after dashing)-> rush delivery (global additive damage based on movement speed) from hermes

[potent hound]

i know the basics of all that, its just im torn between two different ones

cause they both fit the build im using pretty well

[plain river]

So

What’s the choice between

And what do you currently have

[potent hound]

splitting headache, and fully loaded

artemis boons that either increase crit chance on enemies with hangover, or increase the cast by two

and im using the aegis with aspect of zeus

the throw has the hangover effect

the main attack has crit and i also have the boon that shoots arrows on hit and gives all attacks crit chance

and for the cast i have the seeking one that can crit

idk why but this run wanted me to use artemis boons

[plain river]

Splitting headache will actually do something for you

Fully loaded won’t

since you probably won’t be casting too much on aspect of zeus shield

take splitting hadeache

[potent hound]

kk, thx

[plain river]

Aside from applying boiling/abyssal blood

Unless the aspect is cast focused fully loaded won’t do much for you really aside from being sellable for a large sum of obols

[potent hound]

ah ok

[plain river]

Tbh most of the time you should just be able to say the name of the boon and people will understand

What was the third boon option btw?

[cunning urchin]

This is a good guide with lots of build ideas and general tips for builds, if you're interested. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[potent hound]

alr, thx

[cunning urchin]

It's easier to choose between 2-3 boons when there's a clear strategy for the run.

[potent hound]

this game is def a new hyperfixation for me atm, so ill take a look after this run

[cunning urchin]

Understandable.

[plain river]

I thought about sending that article then head empty forgot it

Completely slipped my mind

[cunning urchin]

Seems like a you moment.

[plain river]

I’m still on my way to knowing everything

[potent hound]

alr runs over

hades = ded

[cunning urchin]

He gets better.

[spark kite]

What build do ppl use to speedrun with Rama?

[lucid oar]

Start with Zeus special, aim for hunter dash + a beefy % attack

Lightning rod is really good

[spark kite]

Okay so I'll have to get good at dash-attacking is what I'm hearing...

Dash-attack with bow is so weird to me, I thought I could dodge it by going for Rama xD

Thx anyway

[cunning urchin]

Just dash and then hold Attack.

Charges faster than a normal Attack.

[spark kite]

Unlike with all other weapons, I find it hard to get good at dash attacking with bow bc I never know if I "made it".

Like I don't immediately feel the difference between dash attacking and not dash attacking.

[plain river]

You should feel the difference immediately for rama because of the speed difference

since standing strikes take ages

[spark kite]

I'ma give it some training rounds against Skelly

[lucid oar]

Best hammers are twin shot and triple shot

And second hammers are perfect shot and point blank shot

[spark kite]

Perfect shot is the one that scales your power shots, right?

[plain river]

Makes them do more damage and slightly opens the window on it

+150% iirc

[spark kite]

opens the window on it

oh boy that's the hammer for me xD

I just got through Adphodel on 5:10, so... while I feel much slower than with Beowulff, I'm somehow just 20 seconds behind my PB pace on my first Rama run '^^

I'm wondering: Is Relentless Volley not good with Rama?

I can confirm that it's possible, but it feels more difficult.

[cunning urchin]

To be clear, you can't Power-Shot faster with it, but you can hold on for a bit longer than normal and still get a Power Shot.

[spark kite]

Good enough for me.

[plain river]

Yes?

[spark kite]

Oh wait I just realized "dstrike" probably referred to dash, and not to double '^^

[plain river]

Indeed

[spark kite]

But yes you can also power shot with double shot. '^^

[lucid oar]

Well each arrow does 5 damage, so you’d be adding 20 for each special, which… isn’t a lot

[cunning urchin]

It's nice for high heat with Thunder Flourish or Drunken Flourish, but it's no Twin Shot or Triple Shot etc.

[spark kite]

Well I picked it over Point Blank (correlating victory screen in #h1-victory-boasting ). But you might be right, it didn't feel like it added that much damage.

[cunning urchin]

Point-Blank Shot is great.

[timid spoke]

how do you use lucifer special on gamepad? it doesn't have auto aim like the rest of the rail aspects and in my experience it just does nothing 90% of times

[rose nexus]

You can still aim the reticle

[timid spoke]

yeah but it takes forever

and i can't move while doing it

i can only find use for it while enemies are spawning and on bosses

[plain river]

I don’t know how to explain it

I kind of just do

[cunning urchin]

I usually just tap it, I guess.

Idk.

Hard to explain something that you do without thinking.

[plain river]

It’s something you just get
Like power shot timing

[cunning urchin]

I'd have to actually record a Lucifer run to see what I do lol.

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew playing Hades

[cunning urchin]

I'd have to != I will

[plain river]

[hidden folio]

Heya, i was wondering on a good build for the bow weapon. I just started the game from 9 months ago and I’m really hooked right now.

[cunning urchin]

Some decent bow builds in this guide. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[turbid needle]

can deadly reversal increase to 100%?

[rose nexus]

Wut

[plain river]

Your crit chance can hit 100% yes, you don’t need deadly reversal for that

[tight basin]

does help a lot tho

[thorn tendon]

wait does deadly reversal stack with itself

no way

[plain river]

Mo

[cunning urchin]

Doesn't stack, no.

[turbid needle]

how does merciful end's doom combo damage really work?

it seems to deal way more than 40 dmg

[tight basin]

it tags on an extra 40 damage, it doesn't deal 40 damage

it deals however much your doom damage normally would + 40

[plain river]

It’s added on

[tight basin]

if ME only did 40 damage it'd be so bad lmao

[plain river]

Splitting bolt tier

[tight basin]

which would probably make doom pretty mediocre because of the delay

it'd probably only be good on like rama special

and various dire misfortune meme builds

[plain river]

I wonder if having curse of longing would make say an aspect of demeter upper deal a bunch of damage

[tight basin]

how would that work

[plain river]

Well

You divine flourish dem special them

While they’re weakened

Would it drop doom 6 or 7 times in that window or no

[tight basin]

pretty sure it just drops 1 time

because ME makes doom go away immediately

and col only goes off if doom is still there

[plain river]

So me would make col just not happen

[tight basin]

yes

[plain river]

lame

[tight basin]

col is bad in the first place so there's no point in trying to build into it lol

[plain river]

Fair enough

[turbid needle]

is ME the only good build for guan yu

[rose nexus]

No

You can get charged skewer and build special damage

[turbid needle]

ohhh ok

what makes crackling skewer of the aspect better?

AOE?

[vale imp]

Higher AOE, damage + you don’t need to call it back so you just keep sending it out

[plain river]

It’s improved exploding launcher built in

[potent hound]

what would you say is the best aspect of the varatha to clear hades?

cause i havent really had much luck with it tbh

i have all of them unlocked

[plain river]

Achilles spear over the rest

[potent hound]

figured, its my fave of them to use

[tight basin]

150% bonus on cast/attack kinda strong

[potent hound]

bruh idk what it is about the spear i just cant clear hades with it

im not used to its attack style

and i find it hard to utilize the buff

[tight basin]

you could play it super slow and use ares' cast

ares' cast, artemis attack, hunting blades

or dem cast, artemis attack, crystal clarity (with a ton of poms on glacial glare)

or athena cast, zeus attack, lightning phalanx

[potent hound]

i had zeus on attack

and tried to get a good cast but i couldnt find any

[tight basin]

if you have zeus attack, athena or poseidon cast would be good

[potent hound]

i probably should have swapped to the acorn for the final fight aswell

[tight basin]

that would help a lot too yeah

[potent hound]

i normally use the acorn on the final one it just didnt come to mind tbh

tbh i was trying to get pressure points with zeus on attack

[plain river]

Fishing for pressure points is

[potent hound]

when you die to lernie

its been so long since thats happened

[plain river]

Lernie tax moment

[rotund plinth]

does Rama's shared damage count as special damage or attack damage?

[plain river]

?

It’s a % of your attack damage

It’s new damage based off of how much your attack dealt to the enemy

[proper yacht]

i think it can also crit separately

[plain river]

Pretty sure it can’t

Because I’m pretty sure the damage get’s changed if the main attack crits and not seperately

[proper yacht]

may be worth verifying

[cold ravine]

Hello I have a question which shield is the best?

To use

[uneven steppe]

depends on preference

[cold ravine]

The one that would do most damage?

[uneven steppe]

at a base probably zagreus

but it depends on build and preference

[tight basin]

at level 1, best shield is beowulf

or zeus

at level 5

it's still beowulf lmao

[uneven steppe]

do u have beowulf unlocked

[tight basin]

for non hidden, zeus and zag are the strongest

[uneven steppe]

thats my question

[cold ravine]

No sadly

[uneven steppe]

SPOILERS

[cold ravine]

Only the first 3

[uneven steppe]

what levels

[tight basin]

zag is good/bearable only if you get charged shot

[plain river]

Zeus even with only 1 level in it tbh

[uneven steppe]

yeah

[cold ravine]

Zagreus I haven’t lvl it up but I can and zeus lvl 2

[crystal wing]

Off topic but i love your pfp

[cold ravine]

I can upgrade them

[plain river]

beowulf > zeus > zag > chaos

[uneven steppe]

go zeus probably

[tight basin]

zag or zeus depends on if you like zeus or not lmao

[uneven steppe]

i got my first clear with zeus

[cold ravine]

THANKS! It was made by @123dewh on Twitter

That’s the artist

[cold ravine]

Thank you!

[crystal wing]

Oh! Cool I'll have to give them a look

[uneven steppe]

im sorry because ik im gonna make a lot of people mad

but i despise lucifer with every ounce of my being

[tight basin]

lmao that's fair tbh

are you using lightning strike

or rather, did you

because if you're not using lightning strike, that would solve like 95% of your problems

[uneven steppe]

i ususally go for sea storm but like

still

[tight basin]

for sea storm you need a pos core that isn't tdash, which makes it kinda inconvenient

[uneven steppe]

exactly

[tight basin]

i guess if you're doing super soaker

but super soaker is bad

[uneven steppe]

and the special is kinda garbage

[tight basin]

the special is really good actually lmao

triple bomb is the best luci hammer

[uneven steppe]

the hammers save it a bit

but like i still hate it

[tight basin]

luci only has like 9 hammers or something, and none of them are that horrid

iirc

[tight basin]

very fair

[uneven steppe]

but its also like why wouldnt you just use the other aspects for rail

[tight basin]

lmao because laser go wheee

and it also only needs 1 hammer to start nuking

[uneven steppe]

true

[tight basin]

other rails need clockets, and zag rail might not ever get clockets if you start spread fire

[uneven steppe]

i might try it again but i just cant

something in me

[tight basin]

do hestia lmao

hesty gaming

[uneven steppe]

almost as bad as hades spear but we dont go there

[tight basin]

oh let's not go there lmao

hades spear is actually horrid

[thorn tendon]

some luci hammers are p bad

[tight basin]

luci is good but you just dont like it

[uneven steppe]

true

[thorn tendon]

what’s that one that affects the special pulse

hades spear good

[tight basin]

i mean at least it's not harmful

[cunning urchin]

Has by far the best hammer balance imo.

[thorn tendon]

it’s in the top 50% of spears

[uneven steppe]

true

So true

Wtf would that even look like

Ong

[rose nexus]

Just use codex mod

[turbid needle]

going for a poseidon /dionysus build should I have tempest strike or tempest flourish

[rose nexus]

Neither are great in most cases

But the attack is weaker, relatively, than the special is

Compared to other % damage booms

[tight basin]

what weapon

[tight basin]

poseidon has the second highest damaging % special

so like, it's not a bad option

even on stuff like eris and hestia

or like rails

[turbid needle]

oh yea

[tight basin]

in general

[turbid needle]

I'm running eris rn

[rose nexus]

Mloop

[tight basin]

tempest flourish then

[rose nexus]

Then take special ig

[turbid needle]

real

[rose nexus]

If I may ask, why are you aiming for a pos dio build specifically

[tight basin]

and if you want to use dionysus, putting him on your attack or cast is a good option

[tight basin]

might be for prophecy lol

either that or they thought "hey high rarity = good"

[rose nexus]

Too much exclusive access propaganda on this server

[tight basin]

or just two favorite gods

[thorn tendon]

ea do be good

[tight basin]

i do love styx ea

[steel lotus]

Hey guys can anyone suggest me a build for the 30% pierced butterfly achievement?
I have everything

[lucid oar]

Aspect of hestia

[plain river]

Or hera
Or any shield

[hidden anchor]

does anyone know how the heck to use guan yu

[plain river]

Focus on the special, put artemis or aphrodite on the special, grab charged skewer if you see it

Trying to remember the other important points

Look for chaos additive for the special especially if you have artemis special, aphrodite also appreciates it but arte likes it more

Also if artemis look to get aphrodite (or athena ig) on attack so you can get heart rend (or deadly reversal)

If you want to build into the spin, you want quick spin over massive spin if a hammer has both, but you still want both if you can get them

[gilded kelp]

what's a good build for achilles spear

[lucid oar]

The good thing about Achilles spear is that you can focus on attacks, casts, or both

Attack builds use the flurry jab hammer with either Zeus or Artemis on attack, scaling with chaos buffs and Hermes (rush delivery)

Good cast builds include hunting blade (ares cast), crystal clarity (Demeter cast) and lightning phalanx (Athena cast)

Tidal dash is also great

[plain river]

Attack builds work into cast builds

[sweet wave]

i cannot get achilles spear to work

it seems like in order to be viable it needs duo boons

and i dont ever see duo boons

[tight basin]

lmao yeah spears kinda do be like that

[sweet wave]

Just unlocked hera tho

and my god

She's a nuke

[tight basin]

yep

crush shot moment

[sweet wave]

ive got trippy

[tight basin]

that works too

[hidden anchor]

anyone know what to do for zeus shield?

[sweet wave]

I like zues on it

With jolt it does some pretty big damage

LMAO

first run cleared with hera

Got up to 5 bloodshards

not much surviving that

even if REDACTED was mean and kept spawning Elyssium Bowman

[plain river]

Zeus, dionysus, and merciful end all work well on the special

[hidden anchor]

kk ty

[hidden anchor]

noice
hera's gotta be one of my favorite aspects

[plain river]

Zeus is middle of consistency and power, dionysus is more consistent less immediate impact, ME is way less consistent but also stronk imo

[plain river]

This could just be me thinking wrong though

[sweet wave]

I agree mostly

But I feel like Zeus is kinda eh with dionysus tbh

You waste a lot of the hangover

[plain river]

That’s why you hunt down low tolerance

[tight basin]

dio is more consistent and weaker unless you get a duo or rd

well idk about consistent since i've never tried it, but it's just slower

[plain river]

You just rely on hitting 1 boon and pomming it

[tight basin]

doesn't have the same aoe as lightning

it's much slower room clearing

probably better bossing with enough poms, but also jolted is a lot

[plain river]

I mean consistent as in
you only really need to find the one boon

ME needs a duo plus cores impending ect

[tight basin]

td go brrr

[plain river]

Zeus kinda need jolted and other zeus cores get in your way of seeing it

[tight basin]

zeus doesn't need jolted lol

it's just like

super nice

[plain river]

Super nice

yeah

Dio

Just needs the one boon

Maybe consistent is the wrong word

It probably is

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1025085946871414794/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

just be better

tbh jolted doesn't feel super necessary in any zeus centric build, it's just that it helps a lot

[plain river]

Epic k freeze

[plain river]

Yeah I take that part back

Zeus just as consistent + more potent

[tight basin]

tbh idk in what situation you'd take dio over zeus special on zeus shield

[plain river]

I just am addicted to hangover builds

[plain river]

I see it every so often idk if I’ve actually run it myself

[tight basin]

high heat wants zeus aoe, low heat wants zeus because you can get more zeus boons easily and whatnot

[plain river]

I think the real zeus shield dio build is zeus special aphro strike smair dio call

[tight basin]

yeah probably lmao

but also that's just high roll lmao

well not too high roll

but like, eh if you get it sure why not

[steel lotus]

How do you guys finish ur games so fast
My best is 16 mins

Anything to help me?

[lucid oar]

https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI

[molten peak]

Question can shield bearers block lobbed explosives? (Exagryph special)

[tight basin]

I'm like 95% sure they do

[rose nexus]

I think it depends on if the center lands in their block arc or behind it

[molten peak]

Oh sadge

Second question about exagryph cab you stack a bunch of hammer deadalus upgrades on the special. Like hazard bomb + cluster bomb + rapid fire bomb + rocket bomb? And just have a rocket machine shotgun of nukes

[rose nexus]

Rapid fire doesn’t boost the special

Hazard is incompatible with rocket and cluster

Also you can only have three hammers at most

[molten peak]

I forget what's its called but there is an upgrade that let's you fire special 3 times before reloading

[rose nexus]

Triple bomb

[molten peak]

Ah

Also sad

Imagine that tho

Just walk in tap special 3 times and every thing dies (possibly including you)

[tight basin]

yeah some hammers are incompatible

cluster and triple are incompatable

[molten peak]

Also sad

[rose nexus]

Cluster and rocket is a good combo though

[molten peak]

Yeah u can see that being good

[rose nexus]

Or triple rocket but not quite as good

[molten peak]

I'm trying to make hazard bomb work right now

[rose nexus]

Cluster is supposed to reduce special damage but with rockets it doesn’t actually

[molten peak]

Lol

[rose nexus]

Hazard bomb is very solid for zagreus rail

[molten peak]

I'm still trying to land escape #1 so no spoilers

[rose nexus]

Nothing I said is a spoiler :v

[molten peak]

I figured

[tight basin]

and hesty

[rose nexus]

But if you’re concerned about them you might stick to #h1-for-new-players for now

[molten peak]

Yeah didn't notice that channel at first

Whoopsn

[molten peak]

So I made hazard bomb work

[rose nexus]

Yay

I got one of my early clears with it

[molten peak]

Um honestly the lobbed explosive part made the || hades || fight a joke

[rose nexus]

Indeed

[molten peak]

Just run around keeping the pillar between him and you

[rose nexus]

He’s not dangerous if you can keep your distance

But unfortunately that’s usually not possible, or it’s too slow

But with hazard bomb it becomes very doable

[molten peak]

Being able to shoot over the pillar when he can't is very useful

I also had targeting system which helped alot I think

Made it hard for him to run out of the explosion

I know this isn't the victory bragging channel so I'll stop

[rose nexus]

Grats tho, post your victory screen in #h1-victory-boasting if you wanna

[molten peak]

I don't have discord pulled up on my computer or else I would have

[tight basin]

hazard bomb moment

i've only ever used it for prophecy and never again lmao

i like rocket bomb too much

[molten peak]

Lol

[errant cloak]

Cluster rockets shred through everything, hard to give that up

[tight basin]

Yeah lmao

Clockets go brrrr

[civic oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857986138915864586/1047638295892471828/image.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857986138915864586/1047638296374804490/image.png look at this stupid 900dmg per empowered dash shot build lmao

also yes i forgot to switch to another boon than chaos' egg, sue me

(and i died in styx once because i had only like 120 health till the last second and wasn't careful about the poison, also sue me)

[lucid oar]

Sheeeesh

[civic oar]

this is what i mean when i say i am stupid lucky

[rose nexus]

45k darkness and using that mirror, sheesh

[civic oar]

ehhh yeah, i dont know what people use ? i have everything maxed- tbh i never claimed to have good tactics or a good build, only good luck-

[cunning urchin]

MiKE wrote a great mirror guide here if you're interested: #h1-for-new-players message

[civic oar]

(reading it slowly)

dang,

[cunning urchin]

Bodied.

[civic oar]

(what does bodied mean ?)

[cunning urchin]

Defeated.

[civic oar]

ohhh

ok so heres a rundown of uh what i was gonna write but tldr

[cunning urchin]

As in, you were defeated by the bot.

[civic oar]

yeah ):

[cunning urchin]

Usually "defeated in an overwhelming manner".

[civic oar]

that sums it up yeah

i use persuasion & gold touch as part of an insane bouldy based tactic

[plain river]

Using obols earlier > saving to gain via golden touch

[civic oar]

oh god DAMN it

[plain river]

Plus if you have enough obols for golden touch to matter by the time you hit next biome

I forgot my point

[cunning urchin]

Got bodied twice.

[civic oar]

:,)

idk i never managed to buy the diamonds and all at styx before my tactic

[cunning urchin]

Golden Touch is great if you want to buy the bounty in the final shop, yeah.

[civic oar]

and id get a lot more of god boons due to rerolling so much

[plain river]

Oh I mean if you plan on buying diamonds/titans blood then it makes sense

[civic oar]

yeah.

[plain river]

if you don’t then it doesn’t

[civic oar]

yeah also not to brag but im just great at that maximizing money deal, i usually have 1K at the end of asphodel, sometimes more. also tbh it just works gr8 w not needing poms thanks to persephone

once i had a whooping 3k entering styx, it was funny

and it gives me more boons which usually snowballs into the craziness of like, 4 duos per run

so its atypical but... it works

i had a 100 run streak before i lost due to going "well ill try heat !" but then realizing i had no idea how to setup 32 heat

[tight basin]

if you have 1k at the end of aspho, you should be spending it more in wells and midshops lmao

unless you want to buy the stuff in styx i guess

[civic oar]

i do spend it in wells, i get all the fish lmao

[wary adder]

you should probably turn off god mode before heat

[civic oar]

yeah i should train w it off-

[tight basin]

i mean you could turn up heat with god mode on if you just dont take Hard Labor lol

[cunning urchin]

Well, the mirror guide is based on tens of thousands of hours of experience from speedrunners and high heat players to determine what's most effective. That doesn't mean other tactics can't also be viable, of course.

[civic oar]

i wanna buy all the songs tho ): so im grinding towards that
yeah, hard labor would just cancel it lol
tbh i think my tactic works only for very casual play for a very, very lucky player, preferably with godmode enabled- like im pretty sure this can't keep you alive through even as little as tartarus during a speedrun or whatever

its a miracle i made it to styx twice on my two sad attempts at 32 heat

died to dad ):

[tight basin]

it do be like that

not spending obols is probably one of the reasons why you're not as consistent

not buying health, hearts, boons

and poms

[cunning urchin]

Nah, I've done the game mirrorless boonless at 32 Heat.

[wary adder]

and also choosing obol rooms over other things

[cunning urchin]

Boons and mirror talents help, but they're not required until extremely high heats.

[tight basin]

golden touch does give you more gold overall if you play towards it, but a good early game with opening duos and getting the gods you want from shop is much more valuable long term

[tight basin]

yeah

[plain river]

Mirrorless 32 heat without ri4 though?

[civic oar]

i don't choose them actually lol, i only reroll poms & even then obols are low in my pecking order. like i said most of my gold comes from bouldy abuse

[cunning urchin]

That run had RI4. But I mean people have done mirrorless way higher at this point.

Also, don't play boonless mirrorless.

It's extremely dull.

[tight basin]

oh fated authority

[plain river]

Dark foresight + midshops usually gets you all the boons you could want if you use fated persuasion

[wary adder]

youre not getting 1000 by the end of tart withoutnchoosing at least like 6 obol rooms in tart and ely while not spending them

[civic oar]

i can believe that :I

[tight basin]

that's a different bag of beans lmao

[tight basin]

they said 1k end of aspho

[wary adder]

oops i typed it wrong

[cunning urchin]

Turns out game with boons and mirror talents is more fun with boons and mirror talents.

[civic oar]

LMAO

[lucid oar]

😱

[plain river]

Fair
But challenge can be rewarding

[tight basin]

damn who would've thunk

[wary adder]

wait i meant tart and aspho instead of tart and ely too

[tight basin]

lmao yeah i figured

[civic oar]

ill admit to one sin tho, i often pick the chaos obol thing and/or hermes' money boon

but idk, uh

maybe its persephone but

[tight basin]

side hustle 💪

[lucid oar]

side hustle 🗿

[wary adder]

side hustle

[civic oar]

that game doesnt feel like its hard to get through once you wield a maxed out aspect ? hence why i do a sloppy diamondmaxxing build instead of an actually viable build good for higher heats
yessss

[tight basin]

maxed aspect helps

[civic oar]

i mean i usually play on heat 3, w only the crowds condition

[lucid oar]

i don’t play most of the game anymore

[wary adder]

thats what god mode and heat are for

[cunning urchin]

Btw two of the items in Styx shop are way overpriced. If you skip previous shops to buy those two, you're basically wasting money.

[lucid oar]

tartarus 💪

[tight basin]

js3 moment

lmfao

tart simulator

[civic oar]

i mean- yeah

[wary adder]

i only play house of hades

[civic oar]

tho tbh i play hades to see the pretty explosions, be bisexual, eat hot chips and lie, so

like i dont play it for the challenge ? even if its nice, i just like to relax through a pretty game that flows good

[tight basin]

that's fair

[civic oar]

im just currently being hit w the reality that i have to figure sth out at least once if i wanna 100% it and get skelly's price

[tight basin]

a couple of us hate ourselves and run extremely high heat

others hate the rest of the game and only play in tartarus

[civic oar]

pfff- thats funny, how do you do that again tho ?

[tight basin]

wdym

[lucid oar]

idk at this point

[civic oar]

play endless tartarus ?

[lucid oar]

i reset

[civic oar]

i love endless basement isaac so id like to do that in hades

[lucid oar]

if my pace is slow

[civic oar]

OH.

[tight basin]

oh they just die and start from c1 lmao

speedrunners when they don't get to furies by 0:30

[civic oar]

WHEEZE

[cunning urchin]

I also don't play most of the game anymore tbh, and by most of the game I mean the game.

[wary adder]

1:xx boon%

[civic oar]

man this is wild lmao

[lucid oar]

kbm players

[tight basin]

leaving c1 after 5 secs for me sucks

[civic oar]

meanwhile me, using my money in wells almost strictly for buying fish, yarn and spindles and centaur hearts :

[tight basin]

contemplate reset but i'm also not that insane so i just dont care lmao

[wary adder]

hades speedrunners after getting bad vibes upon entering a room

[lucid oar]

honestly

that’s how it rolls

[civic oar]

yall so invested its crazy

[lucid oar]

common cast? 17:xx c2 exit? unarmored witches? reset

[cunning urchin]

Not interested in playing with Hades RNG anymore.

Now I play gacha games.

[wary adder]

have you watched any speedruns

[civic oar]

yeah, its insane and i love it

[tight basin]

lmao wait until you meet the world of high heat

[civic oar]

tbh tho id love to do seeded runs, i wanna see what afk zagreus build is like first hand

yeah tbh

i just know its not for me bc starting a set level of difficulty my luck simply can't keep me alive anymore

[wary adder]

eh you can probably do that after a few runs on low heat

[tight basin]

just takes practice

[wary adder]

get really good at being afk

[civic oar]

yeah i need to roll for centaur hearts & early life affirmation + force spawn aphrodite - zeus - ares - athena right ?

[tight basin]

i didn't see myself ever going higher than 32 or ever doing 32 again but i've done 32 many times, 40 a few times, and 50

[tight basin]

not really

[cunning urchin]

I've been practicing afk Hades for a long time now.

[lucid oar]

I told myself I’d be fine after sub 10

[cunning urchin]

I got the afk down, but the game hasn't started up on its own yet.

[civic oar]

as a minmaxxer i am afraid

[wary adder]

hmm i can do sub 10 on all weapons
huh that one was kinda close to sub 9 lets get it down just a little bit

[cunning urchin]

Problem with that plan was after sub 10 you realize "hey, I can do sub 9."

[wary adder]

heh

[tight basin]

lmao it really do be like that

[lucid oar]

My first sub 10 was literally 9:59 lnao

[tight basin]

lmfao

who was the one that got like a 6:60

[cunning urchin]

Only 60 seconds away from sub 9.

[wary adder]

same

[tight basin]

or x:60

[civic oar]

hey i need some advice

[thorn tendon]

my first sub 10 was 8:30

[tight basin]

based

[lucid oar]

Croven

[thorn tendon]

after one attempt with beo

[tight basin]

oh lmfao amazing

[lucid oar]

More people have them, just croven springs to mind

[tight basin]

beo moemnt tbh

[plain river]

I think I only have 1 sub 10 iirc

[lucid oar]

Beoment

[tight basin]

yeah someone else got it here iirc

[plain river]

Zag bow best bow

[civic oar]

i got rare special poseidon on achilles, should i swap it for epic special zeus or get attack ? im in tartarus & i uhhh find it to behave weird due to the knockback but i can't tell if its good weird or bad weird

[cunning urchin]

Just like... get more.

[tight basin]

xiao long bao got it as well but i knew a more well known person got it

[tight basin]

attack

[plain river]

Fair
I never play Hades any more though

[lucid oar]

I don’t know how many sub 10s I have lol

[civic oar]

ty !!

[tight basin]

not enough

[lucid oar]

True

[plain river]

I tried to get back into it the other day and just

Agh

[wary adder]

get a sub 10 rta

[lucid oar]

Free

[tight basin]

true

[cunning urchin]

Recommended reading: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?usp=sharing

[wary adder]

[lucid oar]

I’ve been trying to get sub 13 rta modded but I’m always a tiny bit off

Got a 9:4x ely exit but my build was literal ass so it went nowhere

[cunning urchin]

Get a faster SSD.

[civic oar]

ooo ty

[tight basin]

lmfao actually true

[civic oar]

also hi yes speedrun but how do i do the 30% damage butterfly thing

[lucid oar]

My ssd is pretty quick

[lucid oar]

Hestia

[wary adder]

sniper

[plain river]

Hestia, any of the shields

[wary adder]

hestia is just bow but you dont have to charge it tbh

[civic oar]

you, saying sniper :
me, getting confused : ?

[plain river]

But do have to reload

[tight basin]

hestia is a sniper

basically

[cunning urchin]

If you're on pad, remap Reload to L1/LB btw when playing rail. That'll help a lot.

[tight basin]

longest range, has a high base damage assuming you have it at a good level

[wary adder]

L3 reload gang

[civic oar]

I SHOULD bc jesus it hurts my fingers so MUCH

[plain river]

Hestia = sniper
Shield = shield
I think hera or zag bow would also be good contenders for butterfly? Possibly?

For getting it to 30%

[civic oar]

uh wheres L3 on a xbox controller again

[cunning urchin]

longest range
No.

[wary adder]

left stick

i use xbox controller too

[plain river]

I mean you can do it with any weapon but easiest on these I think

[civic oar]

oh

[lucid oar]

L3 reload is so bad

[plain river]

What is longest range?

[lucid oar]

lightning rod

[wary adder]

use lb tho its probably better for most people

[civic oar]

also ty !! ill do the shield i think bc i struggle to uhhh let go of friggin chiron

[wary adder]

im just special

[plain river]

Zag special? Gy special? Charged shot?

[civic oar]

what does LB do usually

[lucid oar]

Open codex iirc

[plain river]

It should say in controls

[lucid oar]

What I did is swap summon and reload

I use LB for casting on herawulf

[civic oar]

oh yup

ok i remapped, that should make me regret far less picking hestia at the end of the run

is hypersprint or additional dashes better

[cunning urchin]

Longest range should be Zag spear special, but any spear special has better range than rail attack. Pretty sure a fully charged bow attack has better range, too.

[lucid oar]

It really depends

[civic oar]

i like having both tbh i find it that you can be in a permanent state of nyoom but- yeah i can believe that

[lucid oar]

Hyper sprint unlocks rush delivery and if you get both then you’ll do insane damage and have great mobility

Greater reflex probably allows for better mobility and it ends up increasing DPS on some aspects

[plain river]

Thnx

[lucid oar]

And you get the benefit now compared to later with hyper sprint

[cunning urchin]

A good rule of thumb for me is rare+ Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex.

[civic oar]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-store-shopping-spree-shopping-like-a-boss-targe-gif-25952862

me when i buy the third hermes boon

[lucid oar]

But I overall prefer hyper sprint, bearing in mind that my most played aspects really like rush delivery

[thorn tendon]

#teamrollthedashes

[civic oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857986138915864586/1047657879282397264/image.png im just experiencing my usual dilemma

[cunning urchin]

Greatest Reflex benefits much more from rarity than Hyper Sprint.

[civic oar]

yeah ive noticed that hyper sprint is useful even at low rarities whereas greatest reflex is almost disappointing at common

[thorn tendon]

probably sprint since you have zeus attack

for speedrunning anyway

[cunning urchin]

+3 dashes pretty much allows you to position yourself wherever you want in combat and be as dumb as you want with dash i-frames.

[civic oar]

pfff yes

[lucid oar]

#TTTDOMEBNOH

[civic oar]

tbh im not speedrunning, im working on maxing out my keepsakes & grinding for diamonds at the same time

[cunning urchin]

Should we call an ambulance for you?

[civic oar]

HJDGHSFGHJGH

[lucid oar]

Team take the dashes on merciful end but not on hestia

[thorn tendon]

team take the dashes on merciful end but not on h aspect??

[civic oar]

(i dont think i can speedrun unless i have 3 stars on all god boons ? and best i have is 2 on like. maybe one or two)

[thorn tendon]

damn i was gonna guess hestia

[lucid oar]

Who even plays hades spear 💀

Or hzag fists

[thorn tendon]

hera !

[lucid oar]

o

Hera is auto reload anyway

[thorn tendon]

which also makes sense

[lucid oar]

Built dif

[thorn tendon]

yea

[cunning urchin]

#TRALHBFLA

[lucid oar]

I used to be a very firm opposer of team take the dashes but I got +3 dashes in the bigp derby and got a pretty good run so I just take ‘em now

[lucid oar]

something something aphrodite

[civic oar]

i used to until i discovered that it was agony & should switch to achilles

[cunning urchin]

Very good guess.

Team roll away Lord Hermes boons for Lady Aphrodite.

[lucid oar]

Lemme check if my pb has aphro

[civic oar]

o babey i am on my way to get another stupid dio zeus demeter quad duo run

and i can try to roll for blackout to boot

[lucid oar]

omg it does

[cunning urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/836327140512235573.gif?v=1

[lucid oar]

I think it was dying lament

I don’t have the recording

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/1047660844806320128/IMG_4217.jpg

[cunning urchin]

My PB has Lady Aphrodite boons, too.

[lucid oar]

Whatever this one is

[cunning urchin]

All of my PBs do.

She's the best.

[lucid oar]

What’s your non hera pb

[cunning urchin]

That's Dying Lament, yeah.

[molten peak]

Honestly aphro boons might not have great effects but they have B E E G number

[lucid oar]

It was the only aphro boon I picked up

[cunning urchin]

Wdym they don't have great effects?

They do.

Heretic.

[lucid oar]

Love her or hate her, aphro is probably the second worst god to have in your pool when playing flood flare beowulf

[cunning urchin]

Errr... some spear. I think Zag Spear?

[lucid oar]

Zeus being the worst

[molten peak]

At least from what I have seen aphro boons always seem to have much larger Stat boosts than the other Gods

[lucid oar]

They do

[plain river]

30%+ damage reduction is huge wdym

[cunning urchin]

Only an idiot takes Flood Flare over Passion Flare.

[lucid oar]

~~an idiot with a 5:39 ~~

[molten peak]

Question about the whole runs on a timer thing does it pause while you are in a decision screen?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[molten peak]

Cool

At least it let's you think in peace

[plain river]

It pauses in several places

[molten peak]

Cool

[cunning urchin]

Aka slower than Croven, who starts with Lady Aphrodite.

[plain river]

Story rooms
Mid biome
Having codex open, fishing iirc, during than rooms, ect

[cunning urchin]

Well, he made the fatal mistake to start Flood Shot instead on Beowulf.

[lucid oar]

Croven ain’t on beo

[cunning urchin]

But as you know, his Beowulf runs are slower than his Hera runs.

That's the result of not starting Lady Aphrodite.

You can't argue with results.

[lucid oar]

I literally can’t play hera

I need to actually spend hours getting the mechanics down

My dem pb is literally quicker

[cunning urchin]

You can also pause the game when making choices in shop or when choosing exits.

[molten peak]

thats fair

Cause CotDG doesnt pause the timer unless the whole game is paused (IIRC)

[lucid oar]

There are RTA categories though

But the in game timer pauses yeah

[molten peak]

yeah i meant in game timer

like the one that (i think) kills you if you fail

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, and need experience and practice to internalize breakpoints. Loading too many or too few bloodstones hurts a lot.

I think the only time Croven ever wastes bloodstones on Hera is when he fires at a wall.

[lucid oar]

Crovens gameplay in the 4:47 is so crispy

I just watched the bigp reaction

[cunning urchin]

Over-charging your arrows wastes time. But undercharging can also waste time.

If you don't have Flurry Shot.

[lucid oar]

Well I play modded most the the time so this is relevant for like 4 chambers lol

[cunning urchin]

Ah.

I think Hera probably loses some advantage in modded.

Unmodded you basically just get a lot more viable runs than a lot of aspects.

Flurry Shot start is great but so are Twin and Triple.

[lucid oar]

It’s probably the best unmodded aspect yeah

But unmodded is weird because any one of the top players right now could get it with their own aspect if they grinded hard enough

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, and then Croven would come back to beat it by 1 sec in 1 day.

And be like... this isn't even my final form.

[lucid oar]

It certainly seems that way

[cunning urchin]

They start at 1:00 and go up by 1 sec.

[civic oar]

is it me or the Actual buff ice wine provides is the fact that it turns dio's cast from a bouncy thingie into an instant spawn ?

[tight basin]

dont you still have to lob the cast

and isn't there a short delay before it goes off

[civic oar]

you aim but theres maybe a half second at most, no lobbing with ice wine

its like instant explosion

id know, i just got the boon

[tight basin]

weird

i haven't used ice wine in a long while, but i'd assume it'd still be a lob because it's based off of dio cast

[cunning urchin]

Ice Wine hits much faster than regular Trippy Shot, yeah.

The short delay is only slower when you use Beowulf or Hera because those are normally instantaneous.

So the delay from Ice Wine will be slower on those two.

[cunning urchin]

No, it just explodes where you aimed after the short delay.

[tight basin]

funky

[cunning urchin]

Been like this since they added it.

[tight basin]

i mean i've only used ice wine for the prophecy lmao

[civic oar]

i like it tbh, tho im probably biased bc i often get the complete trippy shot buff w also zeus' duo & black out

[tight basin]

never used it after that

[molten peak]

i kind of want to do a exgryph trippy shot build that just spams explosion all over the place and eventually things just die

[civic oar]

oh i got that often it is mega fun

it really do be

[molten peak]

need to try it

[civic oar]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2demoman-salute-demoman-salute-tf2-demoman-tf2salute-tf2salute-demoman-demoman-meet-the-team-gif-14096110

[tight basin]

trippy shot on rail?

oh i guess eris can work

tech a castpect

funky tho

[civic oar]

yeee, it's very [SCOTTISH INTENSIFIES]

[molten peak]

next run its time to force it (forcing builds always ends well....)

[civic oar]

oh dear, good luck

[tight basin]

i mean, just start trippy shot

or zeus attack

[civic oar]

idk, grinding for diamonds ?

[tight basin]

you can get trippy shot eris going out of c1

[civic oar]

oh, what's c1 ?

[molten peak]

i havent even touched PoP yet

[civic oar]

OH

i mean you asked me what i was doing if not that- while these are compatible its not what im doing yet

[molten peak]

I imagine the stun from trippy shot would pair well with the slow on Rail special mod

make it much harder to get out of the stun

[civic oar]

i mean and vice versa w the aim special

[molten peak]

aim special?

dont recall that

[civic oar]

youd basically lock in place enemies while they miserably perish
yeah uhhh the hammer upgrade

the uh aiming system ?

[cunning urchin]

Targeting System is the name.

[civic oar]

idr what its called

YEAH

thank you

[molten peak]

yeah thats the slow i was talking about

we were talking about the same thing

lol

[civic oar]

oh whoops

[molten peak]

no worries

[civic oar]

for some reason i thought you were talking about how trippy shot like, stuns enemies in place

[molten peak]

yes

trippy shot stun + slow from Rail

means enemies never get to do anything

[civic oar]

oh

[cunning urchin]

Stunned enemies can't move. Because they're stunned. Can't make them slower than immobile.

[civic oar]

wow it sure does be 1:30AM, i can't read it seems

[molten peak]

I mean in the time between the stuns

cause they can move little bit

[civic oar]

i mean. the deal is.

before trippy shot hits they often prance around

[cunning urchin]

Alternative tactic: kill them so they can't move.

[civic oar]

and the target system makes em stay right where you dang need em

[molten peak]

lol

fair

[civic oar]

LMAO yes

[tight basin]

that's why we dont do trippy eris

[molten peak]

so if i do this build should i do clockets or hazard

[tight basin]

just use lightning strike and cycle specials lmao

clockets

hazard eris kinda funny

but also like

it takes forever to fall

[cunning urchin]

Literally no enemies left alive to be able to stun enemies.

[molten peak]

thats what trippy is for

so they cant dodge it

4hed

[cunning urchin]

also voiced by Lady Aphrodite btw.

[tight basin]

but also if you're using hazard, you'll be taking damage when you soak your special

i am assuming you're using eris btw

[civic oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857986138915864586/1028775754361749554/unknown.png also talking about trippy shot, look at this stupid poseidon sword build

[molten peak]

dont have eris yet

but its on the list

[tight basin]

ah then trippy rail is gonna be pretty mediocre

[civic oar]

i switched to the crit sword now but i used to run poseidon

[cunning urchin]

You can i-frame the damage and get the buff.

[molten peak]

i never assumed it would be good just super fun to blow S--- up

[cunning urchin]

Dyno out for y'all today ... or -night.

[molten peak]

right

like at first i couldnt figure out where i cussed

[civic oar]

LMAO

[tight basin]

considering they're a fairly new player, i dont think they'll be able to do it consistently

but yes you can do that

[civic oar]

i am currently googling how to do that so

[molten peak]

honeslty i did pretty good at i framing my own hazard bombs last run

but i did have divine dash

so that helped

[cunning urchin]

Mods don't like when we circumvent the bot with like --- or whatever btw.

[molten peak]

oh

ok

danke

[civic oar]

can we say blood and darkness instead

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[civic oar]

yay

[molten peak]

is there a list of what the bot considerds cuss words?

like what about GD?

cause like i dont want to accidently make the bot mad

[cunning urchin]

Goddamnit is fine. And no, releasing a list of words would be a terrible idea tbh because that would just encourage people to find loopholes lol.

[molten peak]

thats fair i guess

chuckles Im in danger

wanna take a bet on how long it takes me to get accidently banned cause i forget?

(also sorry for being off topic)

[cunning urchin]

Rules are just simply to be kind, and to keep it clean especially because they have younger fans, too. Bot is just helping make the job easier for the mods.

[civic oar]

i got dyno'd like literally 5 times today :,) so like. i need to learn how to not cussword

[molten peak]

thats fair

[civic oar]

(im surprised 13 isnt considered old enough to cuss/see cusses tbh. but might be bc im french)

[cunning urchin]

No one is getting banned over it unless they blatantly disrespect the rules lol no worries.

[civic oar]

(so im likely just experiencing cultural differences)

[molten peak]

thats fair

[civic oar]

(doesnt american tv censor those or sth ?)

[molten peak]

the states are weird (i say as an american)

[molten peak]

yeah depending on the show/ time slot

[cunning urchin]

Well, it wouldn't be a good family friendly look for the devs if their community was full of swearing sailors lol.

[civic oar]

yeah fair,,,

(oh btw, thanks for helping with the uhhh missing words, both when i dont remember them but also explaining those i forgot,,, it helps a lot overcoming language barrier)

[molten peak]

no worries

[civic oar]

(like this stuff feels a lot like that one ending where zag runs into a wall painted to be the way out ok)

[molten peak]

wait thats a thing? lol

[cunning urchin]

Lots of players from all over the world here anyway.

[civic oar]

yeah !! you have a bunch of little tales at the end of a run where the narrator comes up w various ways zag died once youre past the epilogue !!

[cunning urchin]

It is a thing. And the narrator says it. So it's canon.

[civic oar]

zag being relatable.txt tbh

[cunning urchin]

Or is it really canon? Is the narrator truly reliable?

[civic oar]

the narrator does what he wants

also off topic but uhhh

you know hades' aid ?

[cunning urchin]

I have well over a thousand hours in the game starting in Early Access. So yeah, I know Hades' Aid.

[civic oar]

is it me or thesus has unique voicelines for when you use his greater call ? like, Even More Unique Than Regular Greater Calls ?

[cunning urchin]

I also know of a time before Hades' Aid.

[civic oar]

nice, tbh i wish i could have seen more of the development, unfortunately i heard of the game only very late

[cunning urchin]

I don't think "more unique" is a thing tbh lol. Unique is unique.

[civic oar]

fair- i meant like. doesn't he shout about zag having turned invisible & stuff ? like. for other greater calls the voicelines seem to be shared like "this is absurd !" and things like that
i love hearing this little idiot shriek so i pay attention to his voicelines ok

(also is hades' call used, like, ever by anyone ??)

(it's fun but it strikes me as sth few speedrunners/heat runners would use)

[cunning urchin]

Hades' Aid is used regularly in speedruns.

Gives +100% damage.

[lucid oar]

Cast weapons basically always take hades aid in styx

In speedruns

It gives insane burst damage

[civic oar]

:O today i learned sth

ok i should yeet to bed its 2AM

gnight !

[cunning urchin]

Good night!

[civic oar]

ty :D seeyaa around and ty for the info !!

[gilded kelp]

is that the invisibility

[tight basin]

Yeah it grants you that too

[molten peak]

Turns out bull rush builds are pretty good

No hit stage two father

[tight basin]

bull rush is one of the more busted mechanics of the game

basically full iframes during the whole thing

and it's decent damage

[molten peak]

Especially if you have fast charge

[tight basin]

have you used charged shot yet

[molten peak]

Yeah I got charge shot explosive shot combo

Did good damage but I got hit alot trying to perfect my shots

[tight basin]

explosive shot doesn't exist on shield

[molten peak]

Oh

I was talking about bow

Whoops

Is that the one the tlets you charge your special