oh they change it depending on if using rail or cast aspect?
#h1-builds-and-combat
still vortex
cunning urchin
oh they change it depending on if using rail or cast aspect?
Yes, we do.
tight basin
flood flare works all the way up to like whatever the heat wr is for beo technically, it's just the consistency that doesnt make it good at high heat
cunning urchin
Flood Flare is still fine for up to 50ish Heat even. Passion Flare and Trippy Flare are also great.
Passion Flare is most resilient to certain pacts at high heat.
still vortex
do you like cast on the back trigger or front shoulder?
burnt anchor
Flood Flare is still fine for up to 50ish Heat even. Passion Flare and Trippy Fl...
ive seen people say trippy is bad
idk why
tight basin
it's just rng dependent
burnt anchor
technically yes, but requires a lot to go for you
what is the build
gusty rapids
generally trippy is not the best if ur goal is either speed/heat. it takes quite a lot to get going while other casts (flood/passion) take much much less
tight basin
literally just trippy flare, stack poms
still vortex
trippy is good except for waiting for it to finish to gather the cast crystals, right?
cunning urchin
Trippy Flare is great. It just relies a lot on finding extra casts. Which isn't too hard, but once in awhile you'll have a run where you just don't find it. And it kinda sucks until you find extra casts.
tight basin
trippy needs more casts from chaos and wells throughout the whole run
gusty rapids
ye when i used to play dio beo i would reset if i didnt see a chaos gate by like c6 lol
still vortex
trippy more casts for huge hits, or do you just one or two load each rush?
tight basin
i would do the same lol
tight basin
trippy more casts for huge hits, or do you just one or two load each rush?
1 each rush
cunning urchin
trippy is good except for waiting for it to finish to gather the cast crystals, ...
That's why you use Stygian Soul instead and pick up extra casts from Master Chaos and Wells of Charon.
burnt anchor
also does meg work on furies?
tight basin
no
still vortex
That's why you use Stygian Soul instead and pick up extra casts from Master Chao...
ah, so extra cast styg build
extra cast styg feels op lots of time
still vortex
styg without extra cast feels gimp
tight basin
it's not uncommon to go a whole run without finding an extra cast from a well or chaos
cunning urchin
do you like cast on the back trigger or front shoulder?
What controller are you using?
still vortex
What controller are you using?
switch joycons
tight basin
c2 chaos but no extra casts lol
still vortex
what does c2 or c1 mean?
still vortex
ah, you can't change c1 even with a reset, right?
still vortex
after a certain heat, they should unlock ability to seed rng
cunning urchin
switch joycons
Hmmm. Which one is more comfortable for you to be pressing a lot between L and ZL? Use that one for Cast and the other one for Summon.
tight basin
after a certain heat, they should unlock ability to seed rng
pretty sure there's a mod for that
probably
still vortex
front shoulder is more comfortable to hit a lot
cunning urchin
There you go then.
still vortex
my aid is L1 and buddy is L2. My R1 is interact and R2 is reload.
i'll have to mind map my cast to one of those R shoulders
what do i map to A if not cast?
burnt anchor
i have l2 as cast r1 as summon
cunning urchin
Maybe try Cast on R2 then for Beowulf. Loading your casts and reloading are pretty similar functions, so it should feel natural.
still vortex
yeah, i could try reload as the remap
and maybe only care about this when doing beo or hest
gusty rapids
shoulder cast is the truth
cunning urchin
Tbh I still recommend L1 for Reload/Cast over R2, though. That way your hands share the workload. Otherwise can get pretty tiring if all of your button presses are with your right hand.
rose nexus
I do L1 cast for beo and hera
I leave A empty usually, cuz I put codex on R3
If I’m playing rail I put reload on L1 instead of cast
And cast back on A
And if I’m playing flurry jab spear I put attack on L1
gusty rapids
wait is L1 shoulder or bumper
rose nexus
L1 is the shoulder, it’s bound to Codex on switch by default
L2 is trigger, bound to summon by default
R1 is interact and R2 is call
By default
And R3 (stick click) is reload
Which is super unwieldy
lucid oar
I use whatever codex was
pure glacier
Okay
So
I was doing a build that I was recommended for chiron bow yesterday (drunken flourish) but I got a heroic heartbreak flourish, should I take it?
I guess what I’m really asking is if I should always take heroic boons or not.
plain river
Not always
do you have concentrated volley
and what level is your drunken flourosh
pure glacier
do you have concentrated volley
I got super lucky and got epic drunken first try, and the aprho next room
plain river
huh
Uhhh
Heroic aphro flourish is pretty good lol
It’s really situational on whether or not you would exchange for any given boon
Depends on weapon, aspect, boons being switch, other boons you have
I would as well
Then pray for concentrated -> relentless
rose nexus
I would only take aphro replacement if it was rare
Heroic is too much % damage!!
It’s cheap
tight basin
heat list progression thingy by RidiculousHat
you can obv change some stuff around and dont have to follow it, but it's a rough guide
drowsy whale
Hi, I’m looking for consistent, easy spear builds to try!!
tight basin
hunting blades or lightning phalanx achilles works
all the spears are inherently hammer reliant, but achilles relies on it the least since you don't exactly need flurry jab
floral wraith
Is aspect of Lucifer good / worth taking the time and resources to get?
tight basin
it's good if you like rail imo
tight basin
eris and hestia are better than it imo, but i'm also just bad at rail
floral wraith
Things it works well with that I might want to know?
tight basin
Any opinions on it in particular?
well like, you build it the same was as every other rail lol
well
non hesty rail
so lightning strike, any big % special
look for triple bomb hammer
since luci can't get cluster or rocket
floral wraith
Delta?
tight basin
just dont get distracted by always holding down the attack button, since you're using flat damage attack anyways
tight basin
Delta?
delta chamber is replaced by eternal chamber, same concept of infinite ammo tho
floral wraith
good stuff
tight basin
there's no burst fire tho ofc, since it's just a laser beam
tight basin
lmao
if you dont get triple bomb on your first hammer, eternal chamber is a good secondary pick
eternal chamber makes seeing triple bomb more likely
floral wraith
What's the special ability on it?
and is the special combined with triple bomb any different from other aspects?
tight basin
the special goes up in the air and lands, leaving like a ball of fire that pulses that deal damage
when it takes any sort of damage (your attacks, dash, or enemy attacks) it blows up and deals big damage
i dont remember how much, but the big damage is why triple bomb is good on it
it's not different compared to any of the other aspects, you just get to shoot more specials
floral wraith
I realized recently just how nutty chain lightning is on rail
tight basin
it's good aoe
chains 4 times
yeah it does reduced damage per chain, but it's whatever lol the main source of damage is gonna be jolted
if you dont find jolted it's just sad but still manageable
sonic ridge
do Razor Shoals and Wave Pounding affect Curse of Drowning?
lucid oar
Yes
sonic ridge
so Curse of Drowning really deals 20% more damage to bosses with Wave Pounding?
lucid oar
Yep
steel gorge
what's the best spear aspect
lucid oar
Achilles prob
steel gorge
I want to get decent at all the weapons
I've hardly used the spear
I mostly use fists and rail
turbid needle
I just discovered aspects and I used the bow that lets you put the cast in there and it’s probably the coolest thing ever
I had this thing goin with artemis and her exit wounds thing and also Dionysus with his fog thing and like Hermes and chaos gave me extra casts
It was very powerful and I even got through all the way to hades but I died cause I’m stoopid and couldn’t hide behind a wall in time for those lasers
steel gorge
Aspects are fun
My favorite is demeter fists
Eris rail is also fun
I need to try more
sonic ridge
Aspects are fun for sure
but it takes too long to max them out
it'd be better, in my opinion, if there were no levels to them
like you open an aspect, and that's it, no further upgrading, you get the maximum effect right away
vale imp
It really doesn’t take that long to max them out, especially since there are more than a few duds among the aspects
Plus the progression feels nice
sonic ridge
306 blood to max out all aspects. 3 bloods per 1 successful escape (1 from furies, 1 from Hades, 1 from Charon's shop if you have enough coin and it's not a diamond there) = 102 escapes
plain river
306 blood to max out all aspects. 3 bloods per 1 successful escape (1 from furie...
Ez
Now I have too much extra blood to go around
cunning urchin
You can get a decent amount of Titan Blood from prophecies and trades.
If you unlocked their full potential right away, there'd be no sense of progress or accomplishment.
You wouldn't even need to go up much in Heat.
Good way to drain the life out of the game. 
sonic ridge
That's true. You can get up to 40 blood from prophecies. I fulfilled them long ago. I've finished over 70 runs, I try to buy extra blood from Charon every other run, and so far I've maxed out only a handful of aspects. Like 5 maybe.
plain river
That's true. You can get up to 40 blood from prophecies. I fulfilled them long a...
40 * 6 blood from prophecies
240
Wait
Nevermind
I read “prophecies” as “bounties”
rose nexus
Buying blood not rly necessary
vagrant phoenix
Accidentally turned the rail aspect of Lucifer into landmines thanks to Zeus special
plain river
zeus special on luci is truly 4.000 iq
minor topaz
is it just me or is chaos' shield utterly useless?
like what am i supposed to build my special on?
can you make it work with anyone other than zeus or pos?
and even then is it worth the effort to bullrush just for a 30dmg bolt
plain river
is it just me or is chaos' shield utterly useless?
Yes
Zeus shield is the only shield which you hit the special
minor topaz
i say that and clear then run anyways
still kinda peeved i spent my bounty on a cosmetic
plain river
still kinda peeved i spent my bounty on a cosmetic
?
minor topaz
Zeus shield is the only shield which you hit the special
i usually put aphro on the special and do a doom/weak run
plain river
doom and weak 
minor topaz
?
there was no point in buying the chaos shield
should bought something else
i even got zeus first but thought this one looked cool
i was jabaited
turbid needle
Is chaos shield bad?
plain river
It’s basically aspectless shield
minor topaz
well shield is alr low tier
plain river
shield is high tier wdym
turbid needle
I thought chaos shield was good cause it makes all the other shields appear
Good for like crowds or something
plain river
I thought chaos shield was good cause it makes all the other shields appear
That effect just isn’t good
minor topaz
*shield is high tier if you feed all boons in to attack
plain river
*shield is high tier if you feed all boons in to attack
not exclusively?
turbid needle
Wow I’m gobsmacked
plain river
Zag and chaos are the only ones where you would pour poms into attack
turbid needle
I never knew all the metas or whatever
minor topaz
Zag and chaos are the only ones where you would pour poms into attack
wait yeah thats what i meant
zeus shield is god tier
100%
best weapon in the game
plain river
beowulf is also god tier
minor topaz
behind magnet gaunts
plain river
behind magnet gaunts
No
turbid needle
Is the hidden aspect for the spear good?
plain river
just
turbid needle
Idk how to spell it or say it
plain river
Is the hidden aspect for the spear good?
It’s decent
But people give it hate for the hp reduction
Guan-yu
turbid needle
Yeah guan-yu
plain river
behind magnet gaunts
All shields are way over talos
plain river
it’s got lifesteal but that’s not the good part
turbid needle
Oh what’s the good part?
plain river
The special
turbid needle
Cause o thought that’s all it did
minor topaz
All shields are way over talos
no way
turbid needle
:0 whats the special
turbid needle
I thought shield was crowd control
plain river
:0 whats the special
It’s like explosive launcher for zag spear or hades spear but with better aoe
plain river
but the crowd control
Shield has the crowd control
turbid needle
Oh cool
minor topaz
but like talos has high dps AND crowd control
plain river
Talos is certainly one of the top 24 aspects
minor topaz
and if you stun them in fog you can get backshots like nothin
plain river
but like talos has high dps AND crowd control
“High dps and crowd control” like shield doesn’t?
minor topaz
whats that one keepsake with 15% on backshots?
plain river
whats that one keepsake with 15% on backshots?
It’s not worthy of memorising it’s name
minor topaz
idk all im saying is ive never gotten more dps than when i run backshot build talos
if you can get dio on attack too its even crazier
plain river
then you’ven’t run any good builds
plain river
For fists in general
minor topaz
yeah
plain river
Merciful end:
Curse of agony
Divine flourish
Merciful end
Divine dash
(Also look to pick up impending doom, (hyper sprint and rush delivery) or greatest reflex)
Pom the heck out of curse of pain and impending doom
Hammers: breaching cross
Or
Hupersprint + Rush delivery or greatest reflex is just a thing for any build tbh
minor topaz
Merciful end:
Curse of agony
Divine flourish
Merciful end
Divine dash
(Also look...
merciful is the only athena boon i havent ecountered 😭
what are the odds
plain river
From normal chambers your duo chance is like 12% base
minor topaz
i have gods legacy
plain river
Divide that by the number of duos you have open
God’s pride doesn’t change that
I was also going to recommend zeus and then dio gimme a sec to detail those
minor topaz
thats actually a really solid build tho always wondered who to pair athena up with when i use gaunts
i usually put her on my attack tho 😂
plain river
zeus strike
aphro special
zeus or dio call
Smouldering air
If you have zeus call just go hard jnto more zeus boons
minor topaz
reflect-o-punch
tight basin
% bonus on a base 10 attack isn't gonna give you much
plain river
i usually put her on my attack tho 😂
Jolted is important for zeus builds you grab it and pom the heck out of it
minor topaz
im more of a poseidon main tbh
tight basin
*shield is high tier if you feed all boons in to attack
ngl that's what you're supposed to do with shield anyways lmao
i'd say a good chunk of builds focus on like 1 or 2 boons, so it's no different than any other weapon tbh
also shield is just a top weapon in general because of the block and the fact that cshot exists
minor topaz
also shield is just a top weapon in general because of the block and the fact th...
fair
what do you put on attack if you run charged shot?
tight basin
aphrodite
or like
any % bonus that isn't poseidon
preferably epic if it isn't aphrodite
common aphro works but is a bit sad
plain river
Also can go
dio strike
aphro special
curse of vengeance(completely optional I’d only really take this if I natural ares)
Then look for low tolerance and curse of nausea and pom the heck out of drunken strike
Also turn of pstatus for dio builds
minor topaz
i thought that added to the base percent?
tight basin
it's a common joke
plain river
Pride >>>>>> legacy
tight basin
the joke is that legacy is pointless because sometimes you never get the duo with it
selective bias
plain river
Pride fixes 13% of my rng problems
Complaining about rng in Super Giant Games discord server fixes the other 87%
minor topaz
i thought the bias wasnt implemented until you had 2 unique boons?
so you can effectively choose until then
minor topaz
idk if yall went through the code im speaking purely on intuition
plain river
what bias isn’t implemented
minor topaz
Wa
then selective bias where you get boons from the same 4 olympians whenever your main boons are filled
or something like that
i assumed because in styx i always get boons from gods i have
plain river
that is
tight basin
no selective bias is like, you're choosing a specific data set and ignoring other ones
plain river
true but what does that matter
minor topaz
selective bias
i thought he meant its hard to get duos cuz of the bias
plain river
That is true information about how god pools work but it doesn’t relate to this
minor topaz
ahh ok
still vortex
i tried lucifer flood attack with zeus duo, it was great. Got rupture jolted chaos attack and rush delivery with 40% speed on top.
tight basin
like legacy does give you a +10% chance at seeing legendaries/duos but some runs you just dont get any at all
but if you look at like the course of like 50 runs, you'll definitely see legacy put in work
plain river
i tried lucifer flood attack with zeus duo, it was great. Got rupture jolted ch...
Lmao rush delivery with +40% movespeed
At least it’s something I guess
plain river
i tried lucifer flood attack with zeus duo, it was great. Got rupture jolted ch...
Lucifer fr my favourite castpect
tight basin
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwZY9T4bDk8rI26djHO-enwKWQA4rs9c7r_g2Gtr...
mirage shot was gotten every run with legacy except 1, with pride it didnt' get it a few times
still vortex
Lmao rush delivery with +40% movespeed
should i be much higher speed?
tight basin
selective bias
tight basin
should i be much higher speed?
hyper sprint is gonna be better for rd
for 0.5-0.7 of a sec, you'll get 100% damage boost
assuming epic rd
plain river
should i be much higher speed?
Also just lucifer just isn’t a cast focused weapon lol
still vortex
well it wasn't the perfect build, but it was fun
tight basin
oh it was flood shot i thought it was poseidon attack bruh lmao
plain river
but yes rush delivery is better with better movespeed
still vortex
oh it was flood shot i thought it was poseidon attack bruh lmao
i meant flood attack
still vortex
i was trying super soaker build
tight basin
the attack is called tempest strike
still vortex
I got the 15% increased range and infinite ammo hammers
minor topaz
then you’ven’t run any good builds
i once cleared by putting sweet surrender on zag bow and aphro on special and just point blanking everything with it 😂
plain river
i once cleared by putting sweet surrender on zag bow and aphro on special and ju...
Sweet surrender?
that’s an odd boon to point out
Do you mean heart rend?
tight basin
i once cleared by putting sweet surrender on zag bow and aphro on special and ju...
using special on zag bow
tight basin
that’s an odd boon to point out
well not really because it's more damage
tight basin
he's literally just going up to enemies and spamming the special
minor topaz
got to lvl 5 with the special too
minor topaz
Do you mean heart rend?
whats the one that gives em vulnerable
plain river
It’s one that makes them take more damage yes
It’s just
Not that much
It’d be like mentioning you were using family favourites
tight basin
lmfao that's actually true
rose nexus
I think they just mean… heartbreak flourish
plain river
Heartbreak flourish then
rose nexus
I remember when I first started playing and point blank zag bow special seemed ripped
minor topaz
much tired
plain river
Aphro special also works
tight basin
g o n e
rose nexus
It’s just that you said a completely different boon the first time so
We had no idea what you meant
minor topaz
But it’s sadly not
i thought that was referring to me 😳
tight basin
We had no idea what you meant
it was pretty clear
rose nexus
It was in response to what you were talking about
tight basin
it's just that the other boon mentioned wasn't an important addition
rose nexus
Point blank zag bow special is strong early game but hard to clear with that I’d say
Too risky
thorn tendon
non chiron rama bow specials are p bad
minor topaz
bow special flurry
rose nexus
No
thorn tendon
why didn’t i just say zag hera special
tight basin
is this chiron bow
rose nexus
Chiron works if that’s what you meant by bow special flurry
rose nexus
minor topaz
you get hammer first and get seeking attack
rose nexus
Are we on a game show
tight basin
aphro atk, dio special, low tolerance
aphro atk, artemis special, heart rend (kinda reliant on chaos additive and/or conc volley)
tight basin
you get hammer first and get seeking attack
is this rail
rose nexus
There’s a seeking attack hammer for bow?
tight basin
chiron's not even that bad
minor topaz
doesnt the bow have seeking attack?
tight basin
no
minor topaz
oh my gosh im lost
tight basin
there's chain shot
minor topaz
uhh
rose nexus
Girl
minor topaz
yeah chain shot
rose nexus
I’m tapping out
minor topaz
we'll say chain shot
tight basin
chain shot sucks
plain river
I think you need rest
minor topaz
where do i get that role
tight basin
#bot-commands
rose nexus
I can call anyone girl if I want to cuz it’s sassy
tight basin
boy is less letters
rose nexus
plain river
I can call anyone girl if I want to cuz it’s sassy
Girl
rose nexus
minor topaz
giiiiiiiiiiiiiirl if you dont read it right 😂
but anyways best chiron build
with chain shot
GO!
plain river
none of them have chain shot
rose nexus
Why would you want chain shot for Chiron
tight basin
chain shot sucks on chiron
rose nexus
plain river
no one in their right mind wants chain shot
tight basin
i'd pick a different hammer option lol
rose nexus
I’m dying
thorn tendon
chain shot sucks in general
tight basin
it's decent on rama imo
minor topaz
ok im gonna go back to that corner over there...
plain river
The only hammer I’d take chain shot over is piercing volley on chiron
thorn tendon
blackout you can probably make whatever build you want work
tight basin
ok im gonna go back to that corner over there...
i mean it's fine lol it's just that the only hammers chiron wants is like conc volley or relentless volley
minor topaz
cap
rose nexus
Best Chiron build assuming you’re not going to get concentrated volley since you got stuck with a bad first hammer:
tight basin
or piercing volley
rose nexus
Dionysus special
plain river
she has trolled me too many times
What
minor topaz
Ive noticed that crit is only good for specific attacks
minor topaz
unless you get the one where all ur attacks have crit i never opt for art
nah zeus is good for everything
dio is good for everything
tight basin
ah yes
tight basin
lightning strike on arthur
minor topaz
only ever get dem cast
rose nexus
Dio good for Arthur attack
tight basin
dem cast
rose nexus
lightning strike on arthur
True this is a tossup
tight basin
who is arthur 😡
aspect
rose nexus
He’s the main character of hades smh
minor topaz
still lost
tight basin
hidden aspect for sword
minor topaz
SPOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILER
i dont have any of the hidden aspects
no clue how to get them
any tips?
tight basin
SPOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILER
i mean this channel allows spoilers lmao i have no idea where you are in the game
if you wanted to avoid them, #h1-for-new-players exists
rose nexus
Okay then keep playing and you’ll get the first hidden aspect eventually
plain river
Unlock 5 aspects
Non-zag iirc
rose nexus
Zag aspects are already unlocked
minor topaz
i mean this channel allows spoilers lmao i have no idea where you are in the gam...
Idk how to quantify my progress
Anyways i got class so ill catch yall
Thanks for the tips
tight basin
less than 10 wins, #h1-for-new-players generally
plain river
she has trolled me too many times
How so?
mental plume
Hello, what would a good build for the twin fists?
plain river
Which aspect
Actually regardless of aspect
Merciful end:
Curse of agony
Divine flourish
Merciful end
Divine dash
(Also look to pick up impending doom, (hyper sprint and rush delivery) or greatest reflex)
Pom the heck out of curse of pain and impending doom
Hammers: breaching cross
Or
zeus strike
aphro special
zeus or dio call
Smouldering air
If you have zeus call just go hard jnto more zeus boons
tight basin
you should still go hard into more zeus boons even if you dont have his call
tight basin
splitting bolt really
plain river
when it’s only on strike
tight basin
also it'd be relatively easy to get if you dont get the call lol
if you only have strike, you dont get offered that many other zeus boons
high voltage, double strike, and the 2 call ones
plain river
True
tight basin
obv jolted is more important than picking up storm lightning
but since you're starting out zeus, you might get lucky enough to get splitting early
at the same time, if you see zeus call, you should pick that up lol
but either way, you should be going hard into zeus
before getting a call and after getting a call
plain river
Fair
tight basin
if before, chance for splitting
if after, billowing
or clouded judgement can be nice if you dont get smair at all i guess
mental plume
Actually regardless of aspect
Merciful end:
Curse of agony
Divine flourish
Merc...
Ok thanks I can consistently make it to the area before Hades but hades always wrecks my face
plain river
Very
plain river
You put dd so I assumed singular
mental plume
my fault
tight basin
Smh no c5 duo
mental plume
That is a lot of gems
plain river
I’ve nothing to use them on
mental plume
I assumed but still
plain river
Wow I really just shreded meg
Actually looking back at it it’s 18 second igt I nevermind
plain river
True but I recorded the fight
My movements were highly questionable
tight basin
Lmao fair
plain river
Bye bye epic blinding flash
tight basin
UC moment
plain river
Also I had -47% dash range for meg fight that didn’t help
tight basin
Oh lmao
18 sec isn't that bad for sure then
For a sword it's probably about average
plain river
I was considering not taking it but like
It’s extra strike damage and the alternative was negligible bonus or take damage on attack
tight basin
If you weren't a coward you could've taken the last one
plain river
If you weren't a coward you could've taken the last one
Oh yeah because cast additive is so useful on nem
tight basin
Nem the castpect
plain river
Hacked gem total
?
rose nexus
It was joke smh my smher
sonic ridge
what's the best aspect for shattered shackle?
plain river
all of them nemesis, arthur, zag bow, rama and hestia can probably use it the best
plain river
nah
plain river
Not all are useful
minor topaz
unless its ur first game
plain river
I still went out of my way to max all of them anyways
crystal wing
Yeah skellys isnt very good
turbid needle
Why not?
plain river
Others are just better
turbid needle
Oh makes sense
plain river
Although
crystal wing
Its not by default bad its compared to others
plain river
Skelly isn’t invalid
crystal wing
Yeah skellys valid
turbid needle
I used that tooth as insurance for the big boy boss
plain river
I’m pretty sure it gets taken at higher heats against lernie but I’m not sure on that one
minor topaz
you only get 4 keepsakes a game
crystal wing
Big boy boss. 💪
minor topaz
ur not opting for skelly's in leysium
crystal wing
In Elysium I like using the collar
plain river
I’m pretty sure it gets taken at higher heats against lernie but I’m not sure on...
Like 40 plus iirc
turbid needle
I have only one clear to my name and I got it yesterday so idk
plain river
In terms of defensive keepsakes it’d go
Acorn
All the other ones
minor topaz
i either collar the whole run or acorn
minor topaz
unless im going for a build
crystal wing
I switch mine out a lot
turbid needle
Oh is it smart to butterfly the whole run?
minor topaz
with an olympian
plain river
unless im going for a build
You should alwsys go for a build
plain river
Oh is it smart to butterfly the whole run?
Nope
crystal wing
Oh is it smart to butterfly the whole run?
Not the best
plain river
Butterfly isn’t good enough
minor topaz
I switch mine out a lot
good idea but i like only use one a game
makes me feel like a purist
its stupid i know
plain river
Ideally
Tartarus: force the main god for your build
Asphodel: force second god
Elysium: defensive keepsake or hourglass
Styx: defensive keepsake
plain river
I only play the bow cause I’m scared of actual combat
Bow is actual combat?
turbid needle
I resent the use of that word in that way
crystal wing
good idea but i like only use one a game
I change from the purse to whatever im feeling to the collar which is normally end game
minor topaz
my apologies
turbid needle
It’s ok
plain river
Ideally
Tartarus: force the main god for your build
Asphodel: force second god
E...
This will generally give you the best shot at it
turbid needle
Bow is actual combat?
I stay far far away and just shoot and run constantly
crystal wing
I romanced thanatos its great
turbid needle
I don’t know how to evade quickly so I just stay far away from the attacks
crystal wing
I like the spear
plain river
Ideally
Tartarus: force the main god for your build
Asphodel: force second god
E...
Legit just because guaranteeing the gods you want for your build is so much better than the other options
crystal wing
but goddamn he needs to slow down for bow runs
Fr hes fast
plain river
but goddamn he needs to slow down for bow runs
?
turbid needle
Does the butterfly stack infinitely? Like is there a limit?
Other than the limited amount of rooms
plain river
Does the butterfly stack infinitely? Like is there a limit?
It stacks infinitely
That doesn’t make it good
crystal wing
That one dedicus hammer that makes your attacks charge slower for bow just annoys me
plain river
Explosive shot ain’t great yeah
minor topaz
?
his one shot is criminal against armored folk beyond tartarus (which im p sure he cant spawn in anyways)
plain river
his one shot is criminal against armored folk beyond tartarus (which im p sure h...
He can spawn past tartarus
minor topaz
can he spawn in tartarus?
plain river
can he spawn in tartarus?
Yes
crystal wing
He can
plain river
I like the sniper shot one
Sniper shot is actually sad because of a) how far away you have to be for it to actually kick it, b) it blocks off twin shot
turbid needle
Twin shot is good?
plain river
Yes?
turbid needle
I didn’t like to cause it forced me to play close
plain river
One of the best
crystal wing
Thanatos's front standing sprite
plain river
Front facing than 💀
plain river
Be back in a bit, stay safe and don’t spread bad ideas
minor topaz
Front facing than 💀
never seen
crystal wing
Ah man
minor topaz
whats it look like
crystal wing
never seen
Ill send you a photo of it
minor topaz
this better be some pog level modeling
plain river
You can send photos in here lol
minor topaz
i cant
plain river
I can't send photos here
You have to use the image link
crystal wing
Idk
minor topaz
giga brain
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IM...
@crystal wing like so
Helpful?
crystal wing
Kinda
minor topaz
well im never going to sleep again
crystal wing
It's gonna haunt your dreams
minor topaz
ok so poseidon on bow special is a no go
plain river
Hmm I wonder
minor topaz
zero knockback
you get triple damage for base rarity but becomes obsolete fast
oh wait nah its not even base rarity
i have purple and its only 166% 
plain river
You don’t even hit triple damage at epic with no poms
Pos is the second highest damage % but bow special isn’t something you want % damage on without charged volley or concentrated volley
it’s base damage is so low
minor topaz
i was expecting big pushback to kinda run a defensive build but i guess knockback is tied to damage
plain river
Which bow is thisb
plain river
You probably won’t be hitting all your arrows
so you won’t be getting the big knockback
rose nexus
🤓 ackshually there are four bow aspects
minor topaz
acTuaLlY there is 3
plain river
🤓 ackshyally there are 5 bow aspects cshot beo
minor topaz
i dont believe in the last one two
plain river
Rama is based
rose nexus
Ackshually every weapon is a bow except for the rail
plain river
{insert any aspect in Hades} based
oblique sierra
Zag sword based
minor topaz
f*** i got another pos boon
tempest strike
razor shoals
wave pounding
this are actually all pretty good builds im at a crossroads
plain river
Razor shoals is actually good
rose nexus
@mods
plain river
And so is wave pounding
minor topaz
shoals it is
oblique sierra
Pound town
minor topaz
frost flourish (replace pos special)
mistral dash
demeter aid
her ult is pretty cracked ngl
plain river
Demeter aid when you’ve killing freeze 
rose nexus
plain river
Nyaanyaaa got me hopped up on killing freeze juice
rose nexus
@mods
plain river
Huh
I just got an athena aphro convo about duoing
I thought I ran out of all those dialogues
oblique sierra
Think again
tight basin
demeter is generally considered the hardest
thorn tendon
demeter you never take imo
tight basin
you take dem first if anything
thorn tendon
aphro you only take if the other’s demeter (but then why are you in the trial)
yea i meant you never take dem trial
tight basin
ah yeah
thorn tendon
the rest are manageable most of the time
tight basin
dem stun lock go brrrrr
thorn tendon
you can get like bad combos like ares in a small room but i think you should always avoid making dem or aphro mad
tight basin
or just avoid all trials lol
minor topaz
anyone know how far distant memory is?
cuz i got extendo on spear im wondering if itll trigger at tip range
steel gorge
finally managed to do it
cunning urchin
but like talos has high dps AND crowd control
Talos DPS is somewhere at the bottom of aspects, unfortunately.
sonic ridge
quick question. I have Flurry Shot on my bow, and I just got another hammer that offers me: Triple Shot, Sniper Shot, and Point-Blank Shot
which one to choose? I'm leaning toward Triple, but I'm afraid it's gonna replace my Flurry, or do they work in synergy?
proven osprey
They do work together
sonic ridge
thanks
proven osprey
Triple and point blank are reasonable
lucid oar
Flurry shot combos with twin and triple very well
floral wraith
Can you get duos off rip with your keepsake boon at the beginning of a run?
plain river
Can you get duos off rip with your keepsake boon at the beginning of a run?
Would be quite literally impossible because every duo needs at least 2 boons(each from a seperate god(dess) (varies based on each individual duo’s prerequisites)
floral wraith
This may be a stupid question, as I am rather stupid, but can you make a good crit build utilizing exagryph and eternal chamber? Eternal chamber is just preferential but I'm good with using ramp up stuff if it's a lot better damage wise
Specifically with lucifer's aspect
plain river
not really
Lucifers ramp up damage isn’t enough to make putting artemis on them worth it
Best attack on lucifer is generally lightning strike
floral wraith
What weapon would you say works the best with a crit build, if any?
plain river
a few do
Uh
Lemme just say some other important stuff first
Generally if it hits a lot fast you want flat damage on it(zeus, ares, dionysus)
If it hits slow but for bigger damage then you throw +%
plain river
Nemesis sword, zagreus bow, chiron special, eris special are generally good for crit building
Achilles spear also grabs artemis attack for some builds
floral wraith
Slightly different topic, is the aspect of Guan Yu good?
Good / worth spending the titan blood to unlock it
plain river
It’s good but people bash it because -50% max hp is rough
floral wraith
Sounds like a skill issue tbh
plain river
Don’t focus on the lifesteal part
rose nexus
plain river
The special is what’s truly magical about it
floral wraith
What's the special?
plain river
It’s like explosive launcher on zag/hades but it has a better aoe via piercing
floral wraith
I know I asked what works well with a crit build, but does it actually work well?
Like it is good enough to breeze through everything as well you might be able to say, if you use a lucifer zeus build?
Yeah I suppose with nem
plain river
I know I asked what works well with a crit build, but does it actually work well...
Yes
It doesn’t have to be aphro attack for nem crit
floral wraith
With nemesis crit build should I use the undamaged buff stat or the one for attacking behind
plain river
fiery presence versus shadow presence?
floral wraith
Yeah
plain river
Fiery for speed since killing enemies sooner is better
Shadow presence for a semi-consistent boost to boss dps
floral wraith
best boons to look out for for crit nem?
tight basin
This may be a stupid question, as I am rather stupid, but can you make a good cr...
you could technically make a "crit build" with luci if you use arty special and triple bomb
but def not on the attack
turbid needle
So we all know aspect of Hera on da bow is overpowered especially with Artemis fully loaded or the extra casts from Hermes or chaos
But I just got enough of that titan blood to unlock guan-yu and I have zero idea how to use it
People say it’s op too but like I only used the vanilla spear and unsuccessfully
Im assuming I want like Zeus lightning or something cause the spiny attack hits multiple times and heals
sonic ridge
I have this Tempest Flourish boon on my sword's special that knocks foes away, and the Sea Storm duo that strikes knocked away foes with lightning
what happens if I take Double Nova? "Your special hits twice, but no longer knocks foes away?"
twin cloak
Im assuming I want like Zeus lightning or something cause the spiny attack hits ...
Optimal guan yu almost entirely ignores the spin attack
The main focus is special
Special -> Dash-Strike -> Dash-Strike -> Repeat
Spin attack you use between waves
plain river
People say it’s op too but like I only used the vanilla spear and unsuccessfully
It’s not OP
But it’s not bad either
twin cloak
I have this Tempest Flourish boon on my sword's special that knocks foes away, a...
Only removes nat kb
Not Poseidon kb
sonic ridge
I took it. I though maybe it would cancel lightning strikes altogether, or they would be dealing less damage. but in fact, now every special hits foes with 2 lightnings each dealing standard 40 damage
twin cloak
Gy is op for heat with guaranteed hammer
plain river
I took it. I though maybe it would cancel lightning strikes altogether, or they ...
… double nova doesn’t modify damage
Why would you assume that
sonic ridge
I don't know
plain river
Honestly I was thinking that it would only fire one bolt off with sea storm but I realise now that the interval between first and second wave is long enough for me to break by accident so it’s probably longer than the zeus internal cooldown
tight basin
I need a cursed build to use rn
Dashing wallop hunters dash beo
lucid oar
I need a cursed build to use rn
Rama lightning strike repulse shot
plain river
Thanks
plain river
Dio attack aphro special low tolerance
Based
plain river
Dashing wallop hunters dash beo
Amazing
plain river
Rama lightning strike repulse shot
This sounds the roughest of them all tbh
floral wraith
Anyone know if the aspect of arthur is good?
plain river
Yes
pure glacier
And the answer is no it isn’t
really?
I’ve tried some builds with it in high heat with some success
strange lark
cunning urchin
Anyone know if the aspect of arthur is good?
One of the very best aspects for just getting a win. Amazing survivability and very resilient builds in the sense that it doesn't require much to get working. Can literally just get Heartbreak Strike and you already have a great Excalibur build.
DPS potential is poor relative to other weapon aspects in part due to how slow its attacks start up, so it's a poor speedrun weapon. And since that also starts to be important at very high heats like 40+, it also falls off quite a bit there. The survivability it gives is great but relies on its high HP and damage reduction, but at very high heat the tankiness just can't make up for how much you'll get hit because of how slow it is.
That said, for anything up to even 32 Heat, which is the highest most players will ever go to anyway, it's by far one of the easiest weapon aspects to get a win with. And the DPS is still good enough to not have any real trouble with TD3 even.
Just avoid FO and DC when you take it because those pacts will really hurt it.
pure glacier
Any builds for hades aspect spear?
rose nexus
Pray for explosive launcher hammer and charged skewer hammer, put Aphrodite or Artemis on special
Only use the spin as enemies are spawning
It’s not very good sadly
pure glacier
Any duo boons I should go for?
pure glacier
It’s not very good sadly
Ik. But I let my friend pick, and I wanted the build to be decent
rose nexus
Heart rend possibly
pure glacier
I was thinking a crit build might work
rose nexus
Aphro attack Artemis special with those two hammers and heart rend could do some damage but it’s not easy to. Use
pure glacier
Aphro attack Artemis special with those two hammers and heart rend could do some...
Hm. Okay
rose nexus
Get a friend who doesn’t make you play bad aspects
pure glacier
Get a friend who doesn’t make you play bad aspects
They haven’t played the game silli
I have the choice between extending jab, massive spin, and serrated point.
I guess take massive spin?
rose nexus
Massive spin kinda redundant on hades
pure glacier
That or serrated
rose nexus
It’s already massive
rose nexus
Serrated is good for dash strike damage although it’s dangerous
But hades can’t get the better dash strike option (flurry jab) so maybe try it
rose nexus
Serrated kinda bonkers dstrike damage
pure glacier
Especially with an epic artho strike and epic crit dash
plain river
Tbh imo massive spin because then you don’t need to charge for as long
rose nexus
Epic crit dash wut
pure glacier
And I’m only in chamber 10
plain river
hunter dash does not give your dash strikes crit chance lol
plain river
It’s pretty clear about what it does
rose nexus
Since you’re doing triple dstrikes
pure glacier
Now i just need more dashes from hermes
cunning urchin
Massive spin kinda redundant on hades
Massive Spin is great on Hades Aspect.
pure glacier
Massive Spin is great on Hades Aspect.
But it’s already big
I can totally see it being decent, but triple dstrike is way better
thorn tendon
massive spin hades is p fun
plain river
But it’s already big
Massive spins means you can charge for less before delivering the buff
Explosive launcher > charged skewer > quick spin > massive spin > every other spear hammer on hades imo
rose nexus
Massive spins means you can charge for less before delivering the buff
Umm it’s a debuff 🤓
pure glacier
Umm it’s a debuff 🤓
🤓
cunning urchin
Best hammers for Hades Aspect are Serrated Point > Exploding Launcher > Massive Spin > Quick Spin, in that order.
Just because Serrated Point is better than Massive Spin doesn't mean Massive Spin is bad or in any way redundant.
Unless it's between waves, you mainly want to quick-release your spins to apply the debuff. Massive Spin gives good range to that and adds damage to a move you'll be using a lot.
There are two ways to release a spin by the way: one is by just releasing the Attack button, the other is by doing a dash.
Dash-release will give the spin decent forward momentum, and Zagreus is invincible during the dash like during any empty dash.
So that allows you to release a spin pretty safely and also from farther away.
Classic build is Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash and Hunter's Mark with potentially Heartbreak Flourish (if Exploding Launcher is present) or Passion Dash for Heart Rend. Can also take Deadly Flourish if Exploding Launcher. Best hammer combo is Exploding Launcher + Charged Skewer, but it's a bit rare and Charged Skewer on its own is pretty poor. You'd also want to double down on bonus Attack, (Special,) and Dash-Strike damage from Master Chaos and Wells to benefit even more from the crits.
Merciful End works well with Exploding Launcher start. If you don't have Exploding Launcher, then you need Divine Dash asap or Merciful End is not really doing anything for you. So you either reset a lot or just accept it when the build doesn't come together and try to make the most of it.
One Hades Aspect build I often recommend to new players that want to play the aspect is Tidal Dash start and then just picking up any decent Attack or looking for Deadly Strike if no Attack yet in Asphodel.
Heartbreak Strike or Passion Dash start into Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air always works.
If Passion Dash, can also pick up Deadly Strike and look for Heart Rend and maybe Lightning Rod.
Also double down on max HP and damage reduction + dodge for easy clear.
turbid needle
Yo I'm working on 32 heat with every aspect and right now I'm on gilgamesh and it's giving me a really tough time and I could use some advice for it. I've been mostly trying crit on my main attack with special being flexible, and just kinda going with the flow besides the crit mainly.
It feels like maiming enemies is just so punishing if you get hit and you spend a lot of time locked in animations when you're trying to attack. I've experimented a bit with just juggling the maimed damage proc around while playing a bit safer but it feels a bit too slow and kinda falls apart a bit in elysium. Most of my runs have managed to soldier through to elysium but once I get there there usually ends up being some really stupid armored enemy that just wrecks me, most recently a bunch of armored spear dudes that had the modifier that made them faster, they just wrecked me and it felt like I just couldn't get close enough to do any meaningful damage without getting turned into a kebab. Shield dudes have presented a similar problem as well.
So yeah, any advice for it?
I got it with excalibur on my first try too, I woulda thought it would have a similar issue but it just didn't feel nearly as punishing as gilgamesh has felt.
turbid needle
ME?
also it seems kinda sad to not use maime given that's like the whole point of the weapon, at least that's how it feels to me
is the aspect really that bad?
floral wraith
Does double strike effect lightning strike or specifically Zeus' aid, dash and special?
turbid needle
I don't think it works with the chain lightning or the cast, only the special, dash, call and vengeance
as well as some of the duo boons and I think maybe gilgamesh cast but I'm not certain, I could be wrong
rose nexus
Does double strike effect lightning strike or specifically Zeus' aid, dash and s...
Double strike affects any of the boons that count as a prereq for it
floral wraith
Yeah I assumed so, okay. Ty
rose nexus
Also it apparently works more often than the displayed percentage
So it’s a pretty solid choice
And it’s a prereq for splitting bolt so it’s almost always a good pick
turbid needle
I feel like anything that's multiplicative with everything is always pretty great
rose nexus
I’ve literally only ever playef Gilgamesh with ME
Also since you specified armored dudes with modifiers: you shouldn’t need to use bp for 32 heat
So maybe reevaluate your pact
turbid needle
yeah but it spices up the run a good deal, I'd prefer to keep it on
it hasn't been an issue with the other aspects so far
rose nexus
Do you know how to do a dash strike and a dash upper with one dash?
That might be helpful to learn if you’re trying to make gilga work
Also ruthless reflex instead of greater reflex
Helps with Gilgamesh a bit
turbid needle
I can do it but the dash strike damage is so pitiful witohut hammers for it
and yeah ruthless reflex is obvious
turbid needle
yeah
rose nexus
Fist attack damage is pitiful in general
This is why you zap or drunk fist
Unless you’re doing ME
turbid needle
what's me
tight basin
Also since you specified armored dudes with modifiers: you shouldn’t need to use...
bp literally isn't that bad
it's 5 heat off the pact for bp2
turbid needle
that's so much work to get though
rose nexus
Ares attack, Athena special, Athena dash
turbid needle
especially with less boon options
tight basin
ap1 shouldn't be taken until like 40 heat and even then it's optional
rose nexus
Merciful end is probably the strongest duo I can think of for general purposes
So it’s definitely worth “so much work” regardless
turbid needle
Won't met let me attach image but going down top to bottom I have:
2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 2, 1, 1, 1
tight basin
Won't met let me attach image but going down top to bottom I have:
2, 2, 2, 2, 3...
so like send it somewhere else and copy the link
because i'm trying to like match it with the pact and the numbers are blurring together for me lol
but by the looks of it
cp2 should be cp0, td1 should be td3, take of js2
turbid needle
can't take cp0
tight basin
why not
turbid needle
cause of hell mode
turbid needle
cant take off js1 either
tight basin
yeah i know what hell mode does
hl2 lc2 cf2 js2 em3 cp2 bp1 mm uc fo1 hs0 ri2 dc1 ap1 td1 pl1
is that it?
turbid needle
tight basin
send image link, not message link
turbid needle
solar dawn
Heightened security is bait, hades jars count as traps
solar dawn
Take CP off too
plain river
Ah what is that
plain river
How is everything turned on and it’s only 32 lmfao
Ikr
floral wraith
it's crazy how different my runs are when I do and don't get a zeus boon in the beginning
tight basin
have you tried starting with zeus' keepsake
minor topaz
do gifts have any impact on boon rng?
lucid oar
No
rose nexus
They do in the sense that gifts get you keepsakes that can force gods to show up
Other than that no
minor topaz
hazard bomb is never better triple bomb right 
floral wraith
Only reason I'm not using the zeus keepsake is because I'm using lambent plume
rose nexus
Only reason I'm not using the zeus keepsake is because I'm using lambent plume
But why
floral wraith
Why would you remove it?
rose nexus
To equip Zeus keepsake obv
floral wraith
Hades is literally the only challenging part of a run for me as long as my luck wasn't total garbage, and by then I can get like 40%+ dodge chance
I guess yea, makes more sense if you can consistently play good
cunning urchin
Wut, 40% Dodge chance is great.
floral wraith
75 requires a lot of luck with hermes and getting basically every chamber quickly
Which I suppose isn't unrealistic if you prepare well but it's still hard to do lol
rose nexus
Especially with a build at the mercy of luck
pure glacier
Good build for Rama?
I’m thinking possibly ares and athena, or maybe something with Dionysus
tight basin
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
pure glacier
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
Thanks for the essay lol
tight basin
Hades is literally the only challenging part of a run for me as long as my luck ...
i mean anything works for low heat, builds generally need to become more serious once you start climbing heat or struggling
once you learn the game well enough and become comfortable with heat, you can take any crap build and make it work at a good heat level
tight basin
Thanks for the essay lol
not mine lol it's MiKe's iirc
the only good copy pasta
valid dagger
It’ll haunt me because it’s not well written but it’s too late to change it now
It’s all over the discord
plain river
It’ll haunt me because it’s not well written but it’s too late to change it now
Write a new one and spam it so much everyone forgets the old one
tender zenith
what builds should I try for the furry fists
rose nexus
ME
pure glacier
So I’ve been using the ares athena build on Gilgamesh, are there any other weapons that build would go good with?
tight basin
every other fist
every non arthur sword
spread fire zag rail
every nonbeo shield
could run it on beo too actually
eris
every spear
ME is literally busted on every melee weapon lmao
tight basin
the only nonmelee weapon on here is technically eris, but it still works fine because of the 75% global damage boost
it's not the fastest build for eris, but it's still good
rose nexus
Real ones use ME on Chiron with dire misfortune
tight basin
true
plain river
Real ones use ME on Chiron with dire misfortune
Nah you do doom attack athena special passion dash for curse of longing
Then every arrow does an extra 40 damage minimum via ME combo damage 🧠
primal sigil
When is the infinite death defiance (one per encounter) better than the stock 3?
tight basin
at high heat when you take lasting consequences 4
plain river
When is the infinite death defiance (one per encounter) better than the stock 3?
When you’re running LC4
tight basin
stubborn defiance becomes your way of "healing" after each room
SD is better for when you're struggling in small rooms, DD is better against bosses
luckily, boss fights dont' change too much each run, so it's easier to become more consistent at those
so SD doesn't become too big of an issue during boss fights
rose nexus
Nah you do doom attack athena special passion dash for curse of longing
Then eve...
Does CoL prevent doom from expiring via ME pop or just via time
lean hornet
I’m trying to get the fists secret aspect, not having any luck. Any thing I missed?
valid dagger
I’m trying to get the fists secret aspect, not having any luck. Any thing I miss...
Check #h1-story-discussion pins
lean hornet
Alr
plain river
Does CoL prevent doom from expiring via ME pop or just via time
genuinely unsure
plain river
Would it not keep on going
I figured if you hit a weakened enemy when you have both it would instadrop the doom then put the half damage doom back uptop
oak hemlock
in general, what's considered a fast hades fight? would under a minute be considered quick?
tight basin
generally yeah
speedrunners try to shoot for about 30-35 seconds, you can a 27ish fight with a good build and rng
oak hemlock
cool thanks!
wary adder
speedrunners try to shoot for about 30-35 seconds, you can a 27ish fight with a ...
darkness
tight basin
it do be like that sometimes
sonic ridge
Stubborn Roots is the best duo ever!
okay I may be exaggerating a bit, but it just saved my run. I lost all my death defiances even before the Temple of Styx. I was unfocused, tired of this game. I had Crystal beam, and picked Artemis keepsake to get Crystal clarity at least, to give myself a small chance at beating Hades, for my main weapon's damage was too low. then I nearly lost my remaining health in those tunnels, got Artemis aid; bought a Demeter boon from the Charon's shop - and it turned out to be Stubborn roots
plain river
Stubborn Roots is the best duo ever!
Not really
proper yacht
stubborn roots is bait unless you literally don't run TD+HL and even then it's just ok
you can't outheal at all with those two in play
plus letting yourself fall to no extra lives means something else is done sloppily and stubborn roots won't help with that
plain river
plus letting yourself fall to no extra lives means something else is done sloppi...
I mean
When you’re running lc4 and so are using SD
proper yacht
I don't think someone saying stubborn roots is good runs LC4+SD
plain river
Fair
I don’t think it’s good even when lc4 sd but it’s certainly getting more use in that case
cunning urchin
Best use case is picking it up when you're already at 0 DDs.
proper yacht
I suppose that one occured here yeah
cunning urchin
It can definitely save a run sometimes. It doesn't really do anything in other cases, though, naturally.