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#h1-builds-and-combat
rose nexus
plain river
Don’t try to cast against anything that isn’t a boss or a high hp target though that’s just putting yourself in danger for negligible damage because low hp enemies getting hit by boilding blood or not be dead soon anyways
Hope that helps
wicked adder
well ok
i just dont see what you mean by the dps casts being worth less
they carry me
rose nexus
Without an aspect that gives bonuses to casts, they’re not usually going to be worth investing in over investing in your dstrikes
Or whatever your aspects gimmick is
They’re not worthless, they are just worth less
(than building attack)
plain river
i just dont see what you mean by the dps casts being worth less
They aren’t worth as much on non-castpects
The non-castpects can still get benefit from them… just not enough
plus
Wdym by dps casts
rose nexus
Meme beams hilarious no matter the aspect tho
plain river
meme beams is not good dps though
rose nexus
It is
plain river
🤨
rose nexus
Not great but still good
wicked adder
meg just missed lernie wtf
rose nexus
Megment
plain river
that’s a skissue moment
wicked adder
Wdym by dps casts
i mean ares and dem
plain river
Or an rng moment
wicked adder
didnt make that clear
rose nexus
Which is why using meg is unnecessary
plain river
i mean ares and dem
Because I was going to say lodging casts can still kinda be dps
rose nexus
Some of the damage is gonna be wasted
wicked adder
yeah i meant casts that produce a thing that hits continuously
wicked adder
hm ive been focusing on dash striking more and its a lot easier
idk i assumed dash striking wasnt better than regular striking
rose nexus
Except Arthur but even then
rose nexus
If you do it right you can dash strike the Arthur combo anyway
plain river
Imagine needing to take 3 swings for arthur damage when dedge just does
plain river
If you are using merciful end you can take true shot for deadly reversal: note, only advised to do this after you find Merciful End
Opening duos that will get in ME’s way before you find it is a bad idea
plain river
why cant i get dr on athena dash
Was unbalanced
wicked adder
yeah fair enough lol
plain river
So now you need to have special to get it then pick up dash later
And yet beo is still how beo is
rose nexus
i stg i make like only 50% of my hits with sword
Sword dstrikes do be like this
On my Sub10 zag sword I started only dstriking twice at a time
Then empty dashing
Then two dstrike
Because otherwise you end up doing the sword standing combo thrust
Which makes aiming wack
plain river
i stg i make like only 50% of my hits with sword
Note about sword dstrikes:
Do not take zeus dash on sword it is bugged it will mess with your aim on consecutive dash strikes
wicked adder
Then two dstrike
how do you have enough like coordination to do this
i just hit buttones
rose nexus
Fortunately dash and attack are right next to each other
I’m on Nemkimbo Slice joycons
wicked adder
i use mouse and keyboard
wicked adder
i mean realistically i could buy a controller and then just use it for pc
but ive never used a controller before so it would be a lot of relearning
plain river
I think most people prefer controller to kbm for hades but idk
rose nexus
Just hook up a DDR dance pad to your PC and play using that
plain river
how do you have enough like coordination to do this
Map dash and attack to the same button /J
tight basin
i use mouse and keyboard
Hit dash and then attack lol
rose nexus
But if you don’t empty dash on sword you end up doing the sword combo
tight basin
Left hand right hand coordination
tight basin
Just hook up a DDR dance pad to your PC and play using that
Okay this is actually unbelievably based tho
rose nexus
Left hand right hand coordination
On controller it’s right thumb coordination
thorn tendon
i used kbm for the first 80ish runs and controller felt so natural to switch to
it took no getting used to
wicked adder
Hit dash and then attack lol
youre so helpful! thank you
rose nexus
How did you ever get used to not missing everything because of aim at cursor
wicked adder
ddr hades is incredible
thorn tendon
skill
rose nexus
Fair
rose nexus
DDR controller for the directions and then guitar hero controller for the attacks
plain river
how do u use controller tho i dont get it
How do you play hades on controller?
rose nexus
how do u use controller tho i dont get it
Move and aim with left stick
Dash attack special cast on right buttons
Clockwise from bottom
wicked adder
you aim and move with the same thing?
thorn tendon
yea
rose nexus
Interact is right shoulder, call is right trigger, companion is left trigger
rose nexus
Reload is R3 which is nonsense
wicked adder
surely you can remap controls
thorn tendon
i have summon on r3
rose nexus
I remap cast to left shoulder unless I’m playing tail
rail
Then it’s reload on left shoulder
plain river
surely you can remap controls
Yes
wicked adder
so that was a better nemesis run than usual
thorn tendon
codex select 💪
rose nexus
Select is even harder to hit for me
Especially handheld but I never handheld if I can avoid it
I use the joy cons in the little controller frame
wicked adder
the idea of not using a mouse and keyboard to control a video game is so confusing
not conceptually like to my hands
wicked adder
i tried to play minecraft on switch once that wss so weird
id there an accessibility feature to make the conditional weapon empowerment abilities more visible
i cant see them like at all
by that i mean like achilles raging rush, eris absorb that sort of thing
i mean the eris one isnt necessary but i get confused w achilles
rose nexus
You mean the sparkles on zag that show you the effect is active?
There might be a mod
Nothing built in though
Achilles is weird because if you refresh it early it doesn’t refresh
Iirc
You have to use all of the charges first
wicked adder
wtf
rose nexus
Unless I’m totally out of my mind it works that way
tight basin
I'm fairly certain you're correct
proper furnace
yeah thats correct
rose nexus
That’s some wackness
Imagine if you couldn’t reabsorb eris special until it had expired
Speedrun dot com in shambles
wicked adder
soooo… zag shield builds?
rose nexus
Aspect of cshot
tight basin
Imagine if you couldn’t reabsorb eris special until it had expired
I'd imagine it's easier coding wise because eris is a timer while Achilles is a set amount
rose nexus
A beefy % attack
tight basin
Dionysus call and a different Zeus core for smair is also good
Whoever you find first in Tartarus would probably go to call
rose nexus
soooo… zag shield builds?
ME 
tight basin
If you don't get either in tart force Zeus for smair in aspho
Also ME is an option lol
rose nexus
I wanna try MEowulf with phalanx shot
It’s probably terrible but
Maybe it’s not terrible
tight basin
The saving grace is that phalanx flare has good damage
And cshot beo just has so much base damage lol
tight basin
Apparently I got ME in ely so yeah
I'd have to sell flourish before Styx but didn't think I got the option
Also I don't think hunters dash opens mirage
rose nexus
Personally I get ME before ely
tight basin
Yeah not a prereq
tight basin
That too
soft kiln
@wicked adder there's a colorblind mod but it doesn't effect buffs
i just posted in the mod discord asking if it can be updated to include zag buffs though
if you need the assist for seeing enemies though it has you
loud fossil
Checking i did this right, a level 1 slicing shot epic that hits every time does 960 damage right?
soft kiln
omg does it lol
cunning urchin
Checking i did this right, a level 1 slicing shot epic that hits every time does...
480 damage.
cunning urchin
Every 0.2 seconds.
loud fossil
Just trying to understand math
loud fossil
Every 0.2 seconds.
Ty
loud fossil
I checked the wiki and i think its saying its .1
Is that oudated/wrong?
Or am i just reading it wrong
cunning urchin
I checked the wiki and i think its saying its .1
Wiki says 0.2 seconds for Slicing Shot and 0.1 seconds for Blade Dash.
loud fossil
For me its saying 0.1, but im on hades.fandom.com, is there a diffrent wiki?
loud fossil
Ill take a ss for me, maybe im on the wrong page?
soft kiln
maybe it rendered the table wrong and you're seeing blade dash's description
plain river
Ill take a ss for me, maybe im on the wrong page?
There isn’t another page
loud fossil
Im on one
soft kiln
loud fossil
No not that
plain river
cunning urchin
Yup yup.
tight basin
loud fossil
can confirm that page is wrong
Ok ty
Yeah i was thinking almost 1k from a lvl 1 epic slicing shot seemed to high
cunning urchin
https://imgur.com/a/1cZwNOh
@unkempt geyser can you change that to 0.2 seconds for Slicing Shot on https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Cast? Not gonna be at my desktop for awhile.
soft kiln
also TIL wiki pages are hardcoded nonsense
cunning urchin
Ah yes. Thanks.
cunning urchin
I mean if you can make it more efficient or whatever then do that.
rose nexus
What api would it come from?
Lol
I’ve run a fan wiki before for a game and it’s not like you can just make it auto update with information from the game files
cunning urchin
There was somebody who did something to that effect for the boon tables on the god pages, but some things like additional notes still needed to be done by hand.
soft kiln
well all of the information was inputed individually the first time. i'm just saying if the wiki can make api calls then it's more efficient to have a central api that you input info into once and then call from that. it didn't need to be from the game files.
replying to bananas^
rose nexus
I’m not bananas 🍌
cunning urchin
Most of the work on the wiki, pretty sure, was done by tatz.
rose nexus
Vicious cycle would be stronger for dash if it was 0.1
plain river
https://imgur.com/a/1cZwNOh
Bruh what
tight basin
Idk man
plain river
How
lucid oar
As someone
cunning urchin
I feel like blade dash ticks every 0.2s
That's probably the case. The tick rate for Blade Dash was reduced in the same patch as the other bladerifts.
Reduced tick rate, increased damage.
soft kiln
so it looks like part of the development is javascript so it should be possible to just make api calls.
there's not THAT much data on the wiki. making an airtable for it wouldn't be too difficult.
cunning urchin
I mean either do it or don't.
soft kiln
i know i'm not saying hey this is easy someone should do it
i'm just postin gmy thoughts as i'm trying to figure this out :p
I don't mind doing it if i can figure it out 🙂
cunning urchin
I feel like blade dash ticks every 0.2s
Yeah, pre-patch version of the wiki page says Blade Dash was 0.1 sec. Just wasn't updated to 0.2 sec on the wiki page.
soft kiln
so dash IS 0.2 as well?
lucid oar
Yeah
soft kiln
k fixed
wicked adder
the wiki is slightly wrong in many instances
i assume thats due to it being outdated
cunning urchin
It's due to people seeing a mistake on the wiki, not correcting it nor telling anyone, yet waiting for somebody else to fix it. 
soft kiln
I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware that anybody can fix it or know that the community here maintains it
rose nexus
It’s a wiki tho
That’s like
A main feature of wikis
Including the main one anyone knows of
soft kiln
Those fixes I just made are literally the first time I've ever interacted with a wiki in that way and I'm a software engineer lol
cunning urchin
Most wiki users never edit a single page.
There are "many" mistakes because there's a whole lot of info. Most of the info on the Hades wiki is perfectly fine.
soft kiln
Yeah if anything other than wanting to create a centralized API for the data to be called from and therefore consistent, what I would want to add is info about speedrunning, mods, the guides people have written etc. So it's a centralized source of info
cunning urchin
I don't agree with putting subjective articles like that on a wiki tbh.
soft kiln
I was thinking more a list of links
cunning urchin
Some info about the leaderboards and leaderboard rules and categories maybe.
soft kiln
Not putting the info on the wiki just having the wiki inform people that this info exists and this is where you can find it
cunning urchin
I disagree with that just the same.
soft kiln
Ok. What do you think of adding mod content that is not subjective?
Like the info about the OlympusExtra gods. With a disclaimer that it's modded content?
cunning urchin
Not really, no.
tight basin
randy's bot has the olymppusextra gods lol
soft kiln
Well you guys developed it I'm not gonna add stuff that you don't want or will just get deleted 😛 Maybe I'll make a clone with React as a personal project instead.
tender latch
I don't agree with putting subjective articles like that on a wiki tbh.
Beo mirage optimization seems pretty objective, though, and even if some spawn manips can feel weird they're generally reliable enough. I'd say the reason they shouldn't be on wiki is because it's a wiki for the game in general, not speedrun/super-optimized-build niches
tbf, even Minecraft has speedrunning stuff on it though
acoustic vale
Can the wiki be turned into Arthur propaganda
tight basin
can the wiki be turned into anti arthur propaganda
soft kiln
Can the wiki be turned into Arthur propaganda
Literally anyone can edit it. Have at it ~~that is not permission I definitely don't have that authority ~~
tender latch
make it both arthur propaganda and anti arthur
And by that I mean
Trash arthur and petition for a massive buff 🧠
soft kiln
I think the sword page itself is anti Arthur propaganda
Because it reveals that it sucks
tight basin
Trash arthur and petition for a massive buff 🧠
actually based
acoustic vale
Arthur is the best weapon in the entire game how dare you? /J
It's a good weapon though. Not at like 50 heat unfortunately, but still
cunning urchin
The wiki's purpose is first and foremost to provide verifiable information about Hades as it was developed by SGG. It's not about guiding users to tactics or informing about unofficial mods or anything like that.
tender latch
Unofficial mods definitely shouldn't be on there but like
Tons of game wikis have basic guides
acoustic vale
^
cunning urchin
Yes, and tons of game wikis are terrible ngl.
rose nexus
True
cunning urchin
A section for user guides would make some sense, clearly separated from the other articles. Much like newspapers have opinion columns.
So wiki users could write their own Hades guides there, maybe with some simple-to-use templates.
But I don't think we have the playerbase for that to really work tbh. It worked quite well on FFXIclopedia, but that's an MMORPG with way more active wiki users.
tender latch
Minecraft wiki is pretty baller and it has speedrunning guides
spice cargo
Do you guys have any bow builds you recommend? trying to do at least 20 heat with all weapons. best is 32 with fists.
tight basin
any aspect preference?
tender latch
Do you guys have any bow builds you recommend? trying to do at least 20 heat wit...
Every bow plays differently, and each of them can run multiple builds
So yeah, it really comes down to aspect
spice cargo
no aspect preference, whatever you guys think is most fun
like i just had a blast with the rail cluster rocket with artemus
tight basin
rama or zag bow tbh
rama can instaphase, zag bow is just rhythm game moment
rama:
zeus/ares/dionysus on the special, aphro on atk
aphro special, arty atk -> heart rend can be fun, never tried it
rose nexus
You’ll never guess which bow aspect I like
Oh I forgot I changed my name
You might actually never guess
spice cargo
all right, just read up on that aspect. looks fun
in my mind, it's just a high crit weapon
tight basin
zag bow, arty atk if you want to stack crit chance or aphro atk with some other arty core for heart rend
plain river
You’ll never guess which bow aspect I like
Discount zag bow
tight basin
arty atk + passion dash for heart rend can work too
rose nexus
Discount zag bow
That’s Hera right
plain river
arty atk + passion dash for heart rend can work too
Then you can take athena special for deadly reversal
plain river
That’s Hera right
Hera and chiron
tight basin
Then you can take athena special for deadly reversal
using special on zag bow 
rose nexus
Passion dash weak apply is big brain
plain river
using special on zag bow <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I know 🧠
plain river
Passion dash weak apply is big brain
Especially with triple shot
rose nexus
using special on zag bow <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
You get holy shield
tight basin
Passion dash weak apply is big brain
not stupid if it works
spice cargo
nice, i'll try that out next. rama, artemis attack, passion dash and aim for heart rend duo
thanks!
pretty much keeping aretmis keepsake until temple and switch to acorn
rose nexus
Personally I would take Artemis keepsake, then switch to Aphrodite keepsake, then switch to bone hourglass, then take acorn into the temple
tight basin
nice, i'll try that out next. rama, artemis attack, passion dash and aim for he...
dont do passion dash for rama
do aphro special
tight basin
tight basin
well rama charges super slow
passion dash requires you to go right over them
and you dont want your atk to get interrupted
rose nexus
Bone hourglass Elysium is dank
tight basin
and you always lead with special with rama because it's a bonus 60% or whatever damage on top
rose nexus
You can get well items in the area between aspho and ely that last through ely, wells along the way and in the area before Styx that can last all the way to dad
tight basin
idk about that bone hourglass though
bone hourglass or acorn/tooth into ely is pretty standard
hourglass lets you buy from the wells before ely, through ely, and before styx
rose nexus
Too slow
tight basin
if the heroes fight isn't an issue, hourglass is a good pick
spice cargo
man, i 100% this game and never tried hour glass into elyseum
have i been missing out
plain river
100%ed this game? You got all the 325000 darkness for resource director?
plain river
have i been missing out
Yes
tight basin
castpects benefit from braid, stone, and even jerky sometimes
and if you have rush delivery, ichors are reallly good
rose nexus
100%ed this game? You got all the 325000 darkness for resource director?
Blame steam achievements only requiring you to play half of the game
plain river
Blame steam achievements only requiring you to play half of the game
Bruh
spice cargo
oh wtf, it doesn't let me paste a screenshot here
rose nexus
Paste a link and it will embed
spice cargo
i was low key kinda mad they didn't have a 32 heat achievement
rose nexus
Either Imgur or send it somewhere else on discord and copy media link
spice cargo
plain river
https://i.imgur.com/jBytg9b.png
Was there a max resource director achievement?
rose nexus
Definitely not
The hardest one from everything I hear is to get 30 stacks on butterfly
spice cargo
nope, i only have that mirror where only 1 point in everything
tight basin
darkness farming is cringe
plain river
darkness farming is cringe
No it ain’t
rose nexus
Not shackle gatekeeping 
spice cargo
wait, is that actually a thing?
tight basin
resource director
plain river
Not shackle gatekeeping <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
Yes shackle gatekeeping
spending 325000 darkness on resource director, yes
spice cargo
WTF
spice cargo
i didn't even know this resource director existed
....
i regret joining this discord
plain river
i didn't even know this resource director existed
In hades room
Theres also buying all work orders
tight basin
plain river
Getting all keepsakes 3 starred, all codex entries
all bonds forged
Aspects maxxed
Mirror maxed
rose nexus
Hearing every Hypnos death dialogue
plain river
Lemme look at the steam achievments
tight basin
...came here for bow advice, find out there's more to the game
lmfao we did give you bow advice
oh we didn't say to always dash strike
so there's that i guess
rose nexus
Lol
Remap cast to shoulder button
Use codex tech
Turn off god mode
What else is in our standard advice library
vale imp
Codex tech?
tight basin
when you open the codex, the timer pauses but zag maintains a bit of momentum for a bit
this lets you traverse rooms much "faster" than you normally would be able to
plain river
Igt shoots downward
spice cargo
about to go farming with bow i guess
plain river
Rlt skyrockets
spice cargo
thanks guys
vale imp
So I would just spam opening and closing the codex?
tight basin
right after you dash basically
yeah
spam open and close while moving
it's banned in speedruns lol
rose nexus
It’s only useful for covering ground outside of combat
tight basin
it can only be used outside of combat
rose nexus
Oh bruh steam achievements are so cringe
Yeah I told you lol I haven’t even looked at them all but I’ve heard and read enough to know they’re basic asf
Sell a legendary
30 butterfly stacks
Epilogue maybe idk
tight basin
yeah
plain river
a bunch of them are just do things you would normally do to play the game
vale imp
Is getting all of skelly’s statues an achievement?
rose nexus
Doubt
rose nexus
There’s one for yeah
Max rank every keepsake is the only one I haven’t done
Or wouldn’t have
plain river
so yeah 3rd skelly statue are also another thing you need done for actual 100% I think
rose nexus
And some of the weird ones
30% butterfly and 20% plume
Use call against that god in a trial
tight basin
after 10 wins i think lmao
plain river
https://i.imgur.com/wLLd41C.png
since your 10th win
tight basin
you're 22 minutes late
plain river
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> you're 22 minutes late
I'm always late
tight basin
smh
tender latch
That explains the lack of sub3s
still vortex
Can i ask spoilers here? To unlock hidden aspects, does spending into aspect of zagreus count?
tight basin
cheesing hidden aspects by maxing only zag aspects doesnt seem right tho
magic dagger
cheesing hidden aspects by maxing only zag aspects doesnt seem right tho
I maxed zag and unlocked all others for sword, bow, and shield. it works.
(for the others, I prefer non-zag aspects idk)
also how is that cheesing lol
it's based on titan blood iirc, not number of aspects unlocked
tight basin
idk just feels cheesy
plain river
it's based on titan blood iirc, not number of aspects unlocked
Guan-yu is aspect number
thorn tendon
yes but not a good idea
worthy barn
it was basic rarities + already p close to the floor as far as I was concerned
random perch
Did my first run of Arthur Aspect Blade, first chamber gave me Daedalus 60% lower HP but Attack heals 2HP
Literally a free run, I should've won but it was my first time using Arthur so I made too many mistakes but if I ever get that Daedalus boost again on it it's over lol
I mean
It's already such a great boost, I just feel like it paired very well with that since this was only my 2nd time getting it
random perch
Did my first run of Arthur Aspect Blade, first chamber gave me Daedalus 60% lowe...
At least I got to the final fight on my first Heat 2 run
Also suffered because of my first time trying out the one where one random choice is crossed out with every boon and Daedalus enchantment
worthy barn
doesn't approval process apply to everything
so like if you're doing AP2 + UC you have to purge... literally whatever RNG the game rolls
it can be played around a fair bit w/ persuasion, but it still sounds incredibly brutal
random perch
RNG didn't give me great rerolls either. Like I said, entire run was literally carried by that weapon and first chamber lol
loud fossil
Does sigil of the dead boost family favorite?
worthy barn
thought it did, huh
altho I only did it once for the "complete a run with each pact of punishment option across all your runs at least once"
cunning urchin
Does sigil of the dead boost family favorite?
Nope.
tight basin
I mean
It's already such a great boost, I just feel like it paired very well wit...
Cursed slash is one of the worst sword hammers and it's even worse on Arthur lol
Arthur is built to tank damage and you're removing 60% of your hp
The 2 healing per swing isn't gonna give you much mileage since the swings are so slow
tender latch
If it apllied to dash strikes it could be worse guan yu
soft kiln
On Demeter, if I already have ME is it better to purge flourish to replace with Arty or keep it to go for deadly reversal?
wicked adder
arthur doesnt work w cursed slash ya
vale imp
On Demeter, if I already have ME is it better to purge flourish to replace with ...
You arguably should never special again once ME is online, i think it would actually lower overall DPS
rose nexus
Explupper dem my beloved
That said to answer the question
You can’t get reversal with ddash and arty special
You need Athena on attack or special
tight basin
that's why he said "keep it to go for deadly reversal"
tight basin
well he did say that as an option
tight basin
sell divine flourish for deadly flourish or keep it to go for deadly reversal
rose nexus
I mean definitely keep it
And get true shot
So you can get reversal
20% crit on ME doom pops is wild
plain river
20% crit on ME doom pops is wild
Is like a 60% damage increase
cunning urchin
You’ll get 2 hp with every slow ass swing
You get 2HP with every hit, not with every swing. Excalibur can easily hit multiple enemies.
plain river
-60% hp is not worth 2hp per swing
I wonder how much healing you could get in a second with like cursed+ heroic swift strike + flurry strike+zag sword though
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa Mewmew — Today at 6:29 PM
You get 2HP with every hit, not with every swing.
『Shackle Bestest Keepsake』 — Today at 6:31 PM
-60% hp is not worth 2hp per swing
It's fine tbh but not ideal.
But 2HP per swing is just not right. You usually get a lot more per swing because you're usually hitting multiple enemies with Excalibur's attack.
random perch
Cursed slash is one of the worst sword hammers and it's even worse on Arthur lol
I don't know if this means Arthur is just that good, or if I'm good, or my boon luck was better than I thought despite Approval Process, or what the heck now
Yea but I'm like
garbage at the game I have 3 escapes
tight basin
I don't know if this means Arthur is just that good, or if I'm good, or my boon ...
could be a combination of all 3 lol
arthur is pretty strong at low heat, big swings for big damage
cunning urchin
If you're looking for just a clear, it's one of the very best aspects.
Speedruns and like 40+ Heat is where it falls off.
plain river
> Nyaanyaa Mewmew — Today at 6:29 PM
> You get 2HP with every hit, ***not with e...
I freudian slipped and used the wrong word I meant hit 
cunning urchin
I freudian slipped and used the wrong word I meant hit <:shadegrief:52044818735...
Unforgivable. 🔫
plain river
ME builds just legacy because the whole thing falls apart without ME right
plain river
Makes sense
rose nexus
Just high roll and reset til epic doom ME tart
Or at least epic attack and flourish and dash
rose nexus
TRUE
vale imp
You get 2HP with every hit, not with every swing. Excalibur can easily hit multi...
Huh, TIL, i guess i never noticed it was every hit
winter vortex
Hmm
Someone should make a build that can apply a lot of Charm
Would be funny seeing the foes attach each other
cunning urchin
Someone should make a build that can apply a lot of Charm
Heartbreak Strike on Exagryph (except for Hestia) or Malphon OR Heartbreak Flourish on Zeus, Chiron, or Rama (ideally with Relentless Volley on Chiron or Rama) + any t2 from her to unlock Unhealthy Fixation. Also look for Aphrodite's Aid + any Lord Zeus core to unlock Smoldering Air. Poms on Smoldering Air for longer Charm duration.
spice cargo
aye, thanks for the hour glass tip in floor 3...i can't believe i've been missing out. it makes it so much easier
loud fossil
Does hermes boost family favorite?
cunning urchin
Yes.
loud fossil
Ty
glass meteor
any good spear builds? watched a vid that had one for each weapon but not one for spear
thorn tendon
plain river
<https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide>
Hehehehe
thorn tendon
noooo i got sniped deleting the #aspect-of-eris-rail
plain river
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-talos-fists
This is a pretty good guideline for what works on each aspect of each weapon
glass meteor
okay, sweet
plain river
In terms of hammers
if you see flurry jab take it(serrated point is decent as discount flurry jab)
Don’t take flurry jab if you have serrated point and vice verca
Otherwise explosive launcher is also good, and if you have explosive launcher, charged skewer is good.
Dash striking > standing striking
Boons are more dependent on which aspect you’re using
rose nexus
Ablast mediocre
worthy barn
stubborn roots is an easy reroll (or take for the hope of purging it) right?
yeah that's kind of what I thought
you have to get 10 hits for it to do anything + removes chill + removes my killing freeze (I know you mean that as in "blast is mediocre" which I've thought since I've seen it)
plain river
Because you literally cannot dash strike on lucifer
worthy barn
god there's like 200 abbreviations I need to know every time I step foot in this server -_-
rose nexus
No but nobody calls it just “blast” because it’s not a common boon anyway
plain river
I don’t think arctic blast is bad
rose nexus
Lucifer with 4 chaos lunges:
worthy barn
I mean I have killing freeze anyways so its 100% not for this run xd
plain river
Lucifer with 4 chaos lunges:
Pretty sure you cannot get those on luci
rose nexus
Thiughs
worthy barn
Thiughs
rose nexus
loud fossil
What does zag spear do better than other spears?
tight basin
throw special faster and that's about it
rose nexus
And harder
tight basin
so you can spam exploding launcher + charged skewer faster
rose nexus
And better and stronger
plain river
Special faster, longer, stronger
Except the stronger part ain’t necessarily true, because hades spear is additive for special as well
plain river
It can have flurry jab and explosive launcher (+charged skewer) ig
loud fossil
(Also i heard someone say that flurry jabs make it a lot better, but that doesnt make since to me since its thing is a special buff)
tight basin
flurry jab makes it a lot better because it increases your overall damage dps
tight basin
yep
well
hades spear only if you get the spin off
guan yu does it the best
achilles can't do that
but playing it as a castpect is much stronger
plain river
Wouldnt any other spear be able to do the same tho?
Only achilles can do the same
Hades and Guan-yu cannot pick up flurry jab
loud fossil
Damn
So achillies can do the same(tech better for 4 hits), but can also do cast stuff, compared to zags just slightly stronger special?
That just seems like a upgrade
plain river
So achillies can do the same(tech better for 4 hits), but can also do cast stuff...
Achilles buff applies to the next 4 cast’s and attack’s
loud fossil
Yep
plain river
So it can use flurry jab better
tender zenith
how should I build arthur? damage resist and revenge?
rose nexus
ME
loud fossil
Dash attacks right?
plain river
how should I build arthur? damage resist and revenge?
Damage resist and revenge are never the build for anything
tender zenith
ok
plain river
also stacking damage resist doesn’t really work that wellnthanks to it being multiplicative
tender zenith
:/
plain river
Dash attacks right?
Dash attacks if you find dedge
loud fossil
Isnt it
Dash+dedge are better for room clearing, while full combo is better for bosses?
Or am i capping
loud fossil
Wow rly?
plain river
well
tight basin
full combo is pretty slow
plain river
And the first 2 strike aren’t doing nearly the same damage as the third
tight basin
you can rotate special -> 2x dstrike much faster with more dps
plain river
Each dash strike will be doing the same 50*2 base damage with dedge rather than relying on the third big strike that standing combo does
loud fossil
Ok, makes sense
loud fossil
How does shackle interact with mirage shot?
soft kiln
So achillies can do the same(tech better for 4 hits), but can also do cast stuff...
yeah zagspear doesn't really do anything. Flurry Achilles was like made for each other because it makes each dash-strike also a standing strike but cuts off the animation.
so you can dash + attack => (never let go of attack) dash again and zagreus just slides across the floor.
so then you just special + dstrike + dstrike + special + dstrike + dstrike over and over and things just melt
loud fossil
Ty, that makes it clear
plain river
How does shackle interact with mirage shot?
It works
soft kiln
oh good it took like 3 months for someone to spell that out for me XD
plain river
both shots will have their damage +100%
loud fossil
Ty!
plain river
It’s just that mirage shot reduces base damage of the cast
rose nexus
oh good it took like 3 months for someone to spell that out for me XD
The flurry dashing is so hard on my hands
I usually just mash both together because it’s less crampy
soft kiln
The flurry dashing is so hard on my hands
my neuropathy relates
paper fable
Lucifer + Tempest Strike + Eternal Chamber + Triple Beam is the silliest build I've had yet
paper fable
The giant rat miniboss was just like 30 seconds of me attacking him and pushing him away while he tried in vain to get closer
The exalted's running speed was also exactly enough to perfectly counter the knockback, meaning they were just running place whenever i was attacking them
plain river
Super soaker is so sad without sea storm though tbh
plain river
and a % modifier ain't doing anything
Unless it’s athena /s
tight basin
true
rose nexus
Doesn’t Athena Lucifer only deflect the first time
plain river
Doesn’t Athena Lucifer only deflect the first time
Pretty sure the thing about it is it only deflects on the tip of the laser
but the joke was a reference to the gaming journal photo
rose nexus
Idk what that means
plain river
Idk what that means
Smh my head my head
Gaming journal recommend build for lucifer:
Literally every athena boon that isn’t her legendary or duos
rose nexus
Makes sense
plain river
Makes sense
Including bronze skin
I swear they found a list of all her boons and just copy pasted
rose nexus
I can’t find it I wanted to cringe
plain river
I can’t find it I wanted to cringe
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033609477305417812/1033609522180268062/I...
Exit wounds is essential on poseidon 💀
rose nexus
Alexa how do I get an article banned from the internet
tight basin
Exit wounds is essential on poseidon 💀
i like how it doesn't even suggest a cast boon lmao
"just get exit wounds bro"
tight basin
at least it has flood shot
tight basin
i mean the names are basically synonymous
also i feel like that was made before the mirage bug was figured out
and i feel like they were shooting for curse of drowning
which tbf
doesn't seem that bad if you dont have cshot?
def bad
but idk
rose nexus
Why are you defending this thegamer article
tight basin
i should try that
tight basin
Why are you defending this thegamer article
well i'm not really i'm just explaining their reasoning
it's really bad
but i'm trying to see what their goal was lmao
rose nexus
Cod isn’t compatible with beo
tight basin
is it not
rose nexus
I’m 91% sure
tight basin
it's not compatable with mirage
plain river
I’m 91% sure
That 9% is right
tight basin
i'm fairly certain you can get cod on beo yeah
rose nexus
That’s wild
tight basin
it's just that no one ever wants it
rose nexus
How does that even work
tight basin
pulses around you after you bull rush probably
or maybe while idk
now i want to try it on beo
rose nexus
Does it pulse at the normal flare detonate spot?
tight basin
no clue
rose nexus
Or at yourself
tight basin
prob at yourself
rose nexus
It’s 3x pulse
So it must be bad somehow or it would be used over mirage
Test it with codex mod now
🔫
tight basin
So it must be bad somehow or it would be used over mirage
i mean everything is bad compared to mirage on beo really
rose nexus
Scratchy that test it on a 40 heat run
tight basin
lmao i can do that next time i play
i did shackle and slicing flare at 40 how bad can it be
rose nexus
I mean, if it just happens at the normal spot there’s no way it wouldn’t be better than mirage
tight basin
bro
rose nexus
Because mirage doubles and cod triples
tight basin
no matter where cod goes off it's not gonna be good
rose nexus
Tell that to fisters
tight basin
because it's literally melee and you're always gonna hit with it
flood flare has such a big aoe it's not even worth giving up
plain river
I think mirage does it faster
tight basin
and yeah mirage is basically instant damage after
plain river
Instead of relying on 3 pulses
rose nexus
Beowulf but it’s a FPS game
plain river
Beowulf but with flurry shot
sudden dagger
I'm trying to get some crystal beam duo prophesies. Does The Artemis/Poseidon "Mirage Shot" boon prevent you from picking up crystal beam? (It fires out two casts instead of one). EDIT: It doesn't, I got it.
shadow helm
out of curiosity: is there a build for aspeect of rama (bow)?
thorn tendon
tree can you stop responding with the same 2 pastas to genuine questions
strange lark
tree can you stop responding with the same 2 pastas to genuine questions
thats not a copypasta
well it kinda is
but its good advice
strange lark
yeah michael wrote that one
shadow helm
got it thanks
cunning urchin
People quoting MiKE's advice without crediting MiKE.
lucid oar
Not even wr Beowulf
strange lark
yeah
i bet he doesnt even have unmodded unseeded 32 heat adamant rail aspect of lucifer pc world record
lucid oar
Brb
rose nexus
Mike haters dni
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1033815312686141491/un...
Third one
valid dagger
Not me
wicked adder
guan yu builds?
wary adder
charged skewer + good % special
plain river
whats charged skewer again
Reduces minimum range of special
Holding special increases the range and the damage of the special up to 300% base damage
wicked adder
why a special based build
plain river
Because that’s the best part of guan-yu
wicked adder
wym
plain river
I mean what I said
tight basin
The spin takes forever to charge and isn't practical to use
Unless you have quick spin
plain river
I’d say it goes charged skewer > quick spin > massive spin for gy
Then in terms of boons you can go aphrodite flourish zeus strike/call for smair
Or just experiment
wicked adder
whats the playstyle
wary adder
spam special
plain river
You can charge a spin up between waves for practically free hp
wary adder
spamming special is surprisingly fun for me ngl
plain river
if you have charged skewer I think you’re supposed to aim for about halfway charge but I could remember wrong
plain river
epic heartbreak flourish chunks consisently
cunning urchin
guan yu builds?
Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message
wary adder
epic heartbreak flourish chunks consisently
i like arty more cus more scaling potential especially with chaos
rose nexus
I don’t always get offered grasp and shot boons by chaos
But when I do it’s on an arty special build
And then I get fully loaded
wary adder
Master Chaos is too hit or miss <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
and also too funny to pass
yeah i could get roiling eclipse but what if atrophic flourish
plain river
roiling eclipse >>>>> atrophic flourish
wary adder
exactly
wicked adder
what are those?
wary adder
roiling eclipse = more foes for more darlness and gemstones
atrophic flourish= less max hp for more special damage
plain river
roiling is more enemies per room iirc
Eclipse is more darkness/ gemstones
Atrophic = I don’t remember
Flourish= special damage
rose nexus
My favorite is caustic
plain river
Maybe the real chaos curse is the friend we made along the way
wary adder
doesnt even reduce your current hp when it matters
plain river
My favourite is roiling
rose nexus
Except on fo2
wary adder
My favourite is roiling
i just threw up, cried and am shaking rn
plain river
My epicness is dangerous
Are poseidon strike and flourish a flat amount of knockback or does it vary based in what it’s being used on
rose nexus
Me when gods pride activates… for chaos grasp
plain river
Me when gods pride activates… for chaos grasp
Me when god’s pride activates:
I don’t remember turning that on, who touched my switch
wait a@minute
I’m eleven iq
I forgot which one pride was
wary adder
brilliant
plain river
I mixed them up
Actually
I didn’t mix up pride and legacy
I mixed up pride and the opposite of dark foresight
soft kiln
hmm smair on zeus shield with ME
do i take common jolt, rare double strike, or billowing strength
styx shop fwiw
i think it's just double strike but i could see it being billowing strength
wicked adder
roiling sucks it slowed me down so much the one time i took it
wicked adder
i never get good calls
tight basin
dont take bad calls then
rose nexus
Personally I would just get good calls
plain river
What you never see zeus or dio aid?
plain river
Ares and pos call are mid
tight basin
they're both bad tho
plain river
Ares call is the one thing it actual works proper on
plain river
pos call rocks
🤨
thorn tendon
it’s good
plain river
I feel like it’s just a few iframes and bad damage
thorn tendon
it’s rlly good in encounters and still nice against bosses
tight basin
it's good for unlocking sea storm for your tdash
thorn tendon
and rip current is funny as hell
tight basin
i dont remember using rip current lmao
vale imp
I think i’ve only ever used rip current once in over 700 runs lmao
lucid oar
It’s not that good
plain river
Pos aid is like temporary iframes and movement
tight basin
Pos aid is a cope pick
plain river
Pos aid is a cope pick
👍
tender latch
Bananas means bad for speedrunning lmao but at that point there's like 3 calls that do that well
wicked adder
What you never see zeus or dio aid?
i just always need another boon that they have
pos call is dece w the uh rip current one
tender latch
Athena's is the only invulnerability that still lets you attack normally
Every other call either takes away your damage or still leaves you vulnerable
wicked adder
pos call is nice bc sometimes im very overwhelmed and it lets me zoom around invincible
it also helps me move around the room sometimes
but i prefer zeus or dio
tender latch
Yeah, it's definitely great as far as safety and giving you a breather
Speedruns don't need either of those, though, lmao
If anything, damage in dad fight helps you if you have dio/zeus/dad call
Since you can just facetank to get an extra call in and unload big damage
soft kiln
can you explain how bananas meant it was bad for speedrunning. How does that translate from "a cope pick". I've heard the phrase copium, but really don't know what it means.
tender latch
That's the only real metric you can use to call those calls bad
plain river
can you explain how bananas meant it was bad for speedrunning. How does that tr...
“deal effectively with something difficult.”
if you choose it
You have to deal effectively with something bad
tender latch
The only thing those calls fall short in really is dps because you can't attack during them
dps is definitely very important at heat, but it's a lot more so for speedrunning
soft kiln
don't get me wrong i understand why they're bad for speedrunning
tender latch
You can trade some damage for safety in heat, like taking ddash over splash dash, but that generally isn't the case with speedruns
soft kiln
i just don't understand why you can glean all of that from "cope pick" :p
tender latch
I gleaned all of that from "those calls bad"
I figured that's what they really meant because they're not stupid, have done plenty of speedruns, and those are the only circumstances where you could actually call them bad
Aphro and dem call aren't the best either, but they're still quite useful
Dem for lots of chill, aphro to give you a breather/opening
plain river
“Cope pick” just indicates you’re coping if you have it
tender latch
Art call worst call change my mind
plain river
Art call worst call change my mind
hypnos call
wicked adder
can you explain how bananas meant it was bad for speedrunning. How does that tr...
some people in this server are unnecessarily antagonistic
not sure why
hypnos <3
hes my fave
soft kiln
oh bananas isn't antagonistic
tender latch
It's a joke lmao
tender latch
some people in this server are unnecessarily antagonistic
There's not really any antagonism in here, it's all in good fun
tender latch
Angelic was a split second off of a revolutionary unseeded 64 heat clear?
"Personally I'd have just won"
wicked adder
if i were them i would just have dodged
tender latch
"Just get the boons tbh"
"Have you tried not dying to td3"
soft kiln
bananas is one of the nicest people here. i would assume they're joking every time
wicked adder
ok sorry bananas
tender latch
Admittedly for new players it can be a bit much since like
wicked adder
Art call worst call change my mind
art call is bad yea
tender latch
You'll just get hit by the copypasta
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
Or the chaos shield copypasta
soft kiln
it took me a few weeks to stop getting pissed every time i said anything
wicked adder
arti best girl her call just isnt great
i do like her greater call tho bc i get to see her
tender latch
Greater call would be nice if it guaranteed crits on all arrows lmao
wicked adder
sometimes i choose the god i like better. not afraid to say it
soft kiln
the other day i just stopped trying to get smair when my only call option was arti
tender latch
sometimes i choose the god i like better. not afraid to say it
based, zeus sucks so I simply run Artemis zeus shield
wicked adder
Or the chaos shield copypasta
ok is that a copypasta? i saw that on reddit and was very confused
tender latch
Yes
absolutely chaos, blah blah beowulf, blah blah zeus shield stinky?
Found it
soft kiln
does reddit like chaos shield?
tender latch
1: idk maybe
2: who cares, reddit knows legit nothing about the game
plain river
Arti second best girl
After bouldy of course
soft kiln
1: idk maybe
2: who cares, reddit knows legit nothing about the game
idle curiousity?
wicked adder
my boon-giving favorite god is probably chaos, followed by hermes
not bc of their boons but their boons are also good
plain river
whats the ddash copypasta
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
My wifi is horrible rn
tender latch
mfs be like COLD EMBRACE >>>> TRASH HYPER DELIVERY
tight basin
mfs be like COLD EMBRACE >>>> TRASH HYPER DELIVERY
They right tho
plain river
i do like her greater call tho bc i get to see her
Based
tender latch
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally al...
Bigp out here with the unseeded wr with ddash + dflourish
tender latch
Wrong
tight basin
Bigp out here with the unseeded wr with ddash + dflourish
Bigp got beat by croven yesterday
tender latch
The only correct favorite character is bouldy
wicked adder
other than bouldy
tender latch
Bigp got beat by croven yesterday
what's the time lmao
wicked adder
i also like hermes hes also so me
tight basin
1 sec lower lmfao
wicked adder
i tried doing 26 heat yesterday but died at dad
tender latch
and he did it with hera too
wicked adder
i think i just have to practice w fo more but its difficult
tight basin
and he did it with hera too
With c32-34 combat
I haven't watched the video yet but that's what he said
tender latch
Croven: Beo is much more reliable than hera back half, probably the best weapon for speedrunning
Also croven: lol imma keep maining hera tho 😤
Based croven
tight basin
Croven got better boons iirc
wicked adder
i jumped from 20 to 32 but kept losing
tight basin
Bigp just got good rooms I think
wicked adder
so i tried to lower it a bit
tender latch
Croven got better boons iirc
unshakeable mettle 😩
tight basin
Fair
plain river
Wdym no it’s flurry cast and greater recall so you can hunting blades and memebeam better (but only used on non-castpects for whatever the bl**d reason)
wicked adder
i had good boons it was just literally a skill issue
altho i didnt have any calls so. maybe
thats it
lol
fo2 is difficult
i may try running just fo2 em4 without other restraints to get used to it
tight basin
Don't do em4 for 32 if you're struggling tbh
wicked adder
yeah im considering that lol
but what do i do in place of it
altho what counts as struggling? ive tried 3 times
tender latch
Yeah uh
wicked adder
i think im too used to winning at lower heats that losing makes me feel too bad lmao
tender latch
em4 is wild with other conditions
wicked adder
em4 is wild with other conditions
its cool it feels like how it first felt to fight hades
i like how heat allows that
very smart mechanic
tender latch
Nah, even the best players are used to constantly losing at higher heat. Sometimes you're not on your A-game, but mostly you get trash rooms/builds
So don't feel bad at all if you don't get the clears every time
tight basin
but what do i do in place of it
wicked adder
ok pray
tight basin
Standard 32 pact
wicked adder
wait
tight basin
But don't do this build
tight basin
Keep the mirror as well
Lc4 SD is free healing
Someone else can explain I gotta do something real quick
wicked adder
yeah hm ok
soft kiln
LC4 is honestly awesome.