h1-builds-and-combat

[spare flare]

I thought as much. Thanks.

[loud fossil]

Planning a run with low tolerance chiron bow aphro atk dyo, what do you do for crowd control/room clearing

[spare flare]

Ice Wine is good, but Cold Fusion would be better, right?

[spare flare]

Spam Tidal Dash and arrows, same as ever, no?

[plain river]

What aspect?

Tdash

[loud fossil]

Was guessing pdash, ty

[plain river]

splash dash best dash baby

[spare flare]

Achilles.

"Got epic Heartbreak Flourish, epic Zeus's Aid, Smoldering Air and have +37% Abyssal Favor, and I'm just leaving Tartarus. This is a good run."

[plain river]

Passion dash for crowd control?

[loud fossil]

Poseidon

[plain river]

Tdash

It’s based on the name not the god

Otherwise there would be 4 “a” dashes

So tidal dash -> tdash

[plain river]

Cold fusion imo

[rose nexus]

Ddash = drunken dash

[spare flare]

My current total build is Frost Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Tidal Dash (common, lv2), Zeus' Aid (lv2), Static Discharge, Different League, Razor Shoals, Roiling Eclipse (137%), Abyssal Favor (rare, 37%), Sweet Nectar, Smoldering Air, Flurry Jab, and Extending Jab.

All epic unless duo or otherwise labelled.

[plain river]

Ddash = divine dash
Nasty dash = drunken dash

I would take cold fusion over icewine there

[spare flare]

Oh, whoops, forgot to mention Trippy Shot.

[cunning urchin]

Before the Blood Price patch, EM Theseus's bombs did 60 base damage. Fun fact, out of all the 40+ clears in the Nighty Night patch, @mighty ermine is the only one who got hit by one of EM Theseus's bombs.

[spare flare]

But yeah, I was thinking Cold Fusion, too, so thanks.

[plain river]

Hehhehe

[cunning urchin]

How do I know? I just watched all of the EM3 fights to find out how much base damage it used to do.

[tight basin]

Lmfao I was barely in it when I died

This is so sad

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa doing God’s work

[cunning urchin]

To be fair, I can't watch horheristo's anymore because his YouTube account is closed. So maybe he got hit by one, too.

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite's work, to be precise.

I am her high priestess, after all.

Also fun fact, after watching the first two, I was literally thinking "I should just watch @mighty ermine to find somebody getting hit by it. Tailesque doesn't disappoint." But I still watched them in order from highest to lowest heat.

[spare flare]

Gah, I hate it when the game makes me pick between a Chaos Gate and a double boon room.

[cunning urchin]

That's your fault for not having an Enshrouded curse on you.

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[cunning urchin]

High Heat ranking before Nighty Night patch

1. horheristo - 40 Heat (Chaos, Guan Yu, Eris)

[spare flare]

Billowing Strength is really tempting, but Scintillating Feast will add more for now, right?

[cunning urchin]

High Heat in Nighty Night

1. @weak moat - 48 (Hestia)
2. @covert grove - 47 (Zagreus)
3. Wriste13 - 46 (Arthur)
4. Daddy DeGrand/Icebox - 46 (Chaos)
5. @knotty kindle - 46 (Zagreus Bow)
6. The_Breakshift - 44 (Guan Yu)
7. Nyaanyaa Mewmew - 41 (Zagreus Fists)
8. @mighty ermine - 41 (Demeter)
9. horheristo - 40 (Chaos, Guan Yu, Eris, Arthur)
10. Resqtoaster - 40 (Zagreus Fists)
11. Tailesque - 40 (Hades)

[cunning urchin]

Yup. Unless you have Smair maybe.

[tight basin]

i think they said they had smair

[spare flare]

My current total build is Frost Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Tidal Dash (common, lv2), Zeus' Aid (lv2), Static Discharge, Different League, Razor Shoals, Roiling Eclipse (137%), Abyssal Favor (rare, 37%), Sweet Nectar, Smoldering Air, Flurry Jab, and Extending Jab.
Oh, whoops, forgot to mention Trippy Shot.
All epic unless duo or otherwise labelled.

[tight basin]

also i'd figure billowing would give more dps than scintillating

[spare flare]

Also Cold Fusion, now.

[cunning urchin]

Maybe. Scintillating Feast does a good amount of damage and can do damage during downtime etc.

[spare flare]

Okay, I'll take SF for now and Billowing next, then. Thanks.

There's Ice Wine. Ravenous Will can come later. Same principle.

[rose nexus]

Until you’re looking at Styx tunnels and they don’t even have the gods you need boons from

[spare flare]

About to see that.

Just having trouble deciding which keepsake to take . . .

[tight basin]

what exactly do you want

like what boon

and are you confident in beating the final fight

[spare flare]

Pretty bloody confident, yeah.

[tight basin]

if you haven't used zeus, his is probably gonna be good if you get lucky enough
rav will from dem is gonna be nice if it's got a good rarity

poseidon if you're feeling lucky as well
otherwise could just play it safe and take acorn/tooth/collar

[spare flare]

With 37% Favor, I don't exactly have Exclusive Access, but I basically have EA.

I used Frostbitten Horn for Elysium.

Started shell.

Took purse in Asphodel.

[tight basin]

signet then if you want to high roll for zeus
otherwise any of the defensive ones

[cunning urchin]

Hourglass.

[spare flare]

That's what I figured. Mostly just trying to pick between the signet and the acorn.

[cunning urchin]

Git damage.

[tight basin]

if you take zeus you're either gonna look for one of his t2 boons to lead to his legendary splitting bolt, so pray you see two of his
if you only see one but there's poseidon there, take poseidon and take his cast, then zeus and maybe get sea storm

oh wait you have trippy shot nvm

um yeah high roll zeus i guess then lol

or hourglass

[cunning urchin]

Eternal Rose.

[tight basin]

cringe

[spare flare]

Remembered to check the Well of Charon before deciding. Yarn of Ariadne.

Really doubt that the signet will help, now.

[tight basin]

i mean

taking a god keepsake into styx is generally not a great idea lmao

either offense or defense is generally taken

or hourglass

[rose nexus]

Psh

[spare flare]

Why would I take Flood Shot? I have SF and IW.

[rose nexus]

I take cosmic egg into Styx

[tight basin]

that was a mistake on my part

i forgot to read that part

[spare flare]

Oh, you noticed, haha, yeah.

I'll take Hourglass. I'm not having trouble staying alive.

Famous last words.

[tight basin]

yep

[spare flare]

Zero Zeus boons. Cool.

[tight basin]

nice

[tender zenith]

what keepsakes should I bring to each area? I mostly just use collar for death defiance value, or use egg in tartarus and then swap to collar

[spare flare]

Start with the god whose boons you need most (e.g. shell for Tidal Dash or signet for Thunder Strike).

[cunning urchin]

god 1 > god 2 > Hourglass or Acorn or Sigil > Acorn or Sigil

[spare flare]

I like to use the purse rather than god 2 and often take a second god for Elysium.

[cunning urchin]

Coin Purse is an option in Asphodel if you already have what you want. But you wouldn't take another god keepsake after that. That's not meta anyway.

[spare flare]

If I have no trouble with the heroes, why wouldn't I try to help my final build?

[cunning urchin]

If your build needs more, you should have taken a god keepsake in Asphodel.

A third god keepsake in Elysium can be very situationally good. But only really if it gets you something really busted. But even then, Hourglass is usually much better for your DPS.

[spare flare]

Hourglass motivates me to spend coins that could be better put to use buying some blood from Charon.

[cunning urchin]

Well, that's for farming if you still need Titan Blood and stuff like that. But just in terms of helping you clear, Hourglass is incredibly strong in Elysium.

And a god keepsake can't really make up for the loss in DPS.

Only other option that can potentially come close is Sigil.

And Hourglass is also amazing for healing.

And Ichors can help you survive.

Elysium can have long fights and tanky enemies.

Hourglass helps with that.

And if you buy from the Well after Elysium before you switch keepsakes, you can take that bonus through at least half of Styx and potentially all the way to dad.

[spare flare]

I mean, adding 30% damage and damage reduction with Ravenous Will plus 2.5% Family Favorite is pretty nice for something that I don't have to keep buying and worrying that it'll run out before the only fight that has a chance of beating me.

[rose nexus]

Adding Demeter to your pool every run just for rav will is gaming

Over spending <50 obols on well items

[languid hornet]

Does exit wounds deal damage when using the Poseidon aspect special?

[plain river]

Yes

[soft kiln]

@cunning urchin walking into aspho with dio attack, aphro special, ares dash, what keepsake do you take?

is it still zeus to hope to find zeus' aid?

on demeter fists

i just tried starting with aphro special instead of zeus attack or athena anything and immediately made it out of tart first try on 40 heat

i've clearly been messing up

[lucid oar]

I take zeus

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Thunder Signet sounds good.

[soft kiln]

would you sell drunk fists?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[soft kiln]

i sold sweet surrender fwiw

[lucid oar]

Yeah that was correct

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Strike is decent enough, and you don't want to purge one of your primary means of damage.

[soft kiln]

i had no idea how good blade rush was wow

[cunning urchin]

Purging Lady Aphrodite's boons is never correct.

[soft kiln]

huh should i have purged blade rush then?

[lucid oar]

No

Sweet surrender is worse than all the other boons you had

[cunning urchin]

Anything but Lady Aphrodite boons.

[soft kiln]

i honestly cannot tell if you're meming

or if you two just disagree here

[lucid oar]

Ofc she is

Lol

[cunning urchin]

I don't meme, I would purge anything over a boon from Lady Aphrodite.

You know I don't joke when it comes to Lady Aphrodite.

It's heresy to purge her boons.

[soft kiln]

lol

thanks

[plain river]

Wave of despair /dying lament?

[cunning urchin]

Maybe I should purge the heretics in chat.

[plain river]

What if it’s uc and all the boons are Lady Aphrodite?

[cunning urchin]

Then you reroll.

[lucid oar]

Sell all of them

[plain river]

and no rerolls? Or rerolled into exact same boons?

[lucid oar]

Then quit to courtyard

[plain river]

Do you just give up the run?

[lucid oar]

Then sell them all again

[cunning urchin]

You're always offered at least one new option.

[soft kiln]

common reflex, common evasion, or reroll?

[plain river]

Hmmm
I could’ve sworn I’ve rerolled into the exact same options befroe but I could be wrong

[lucid oar]

Reflex

[soft kiln]

wasn't sure how hard i'm looking for something better there got it

[cunning urchin]

That's no longer possible since Nighty Night patch.

[plain river]

Hmm

Idk then

[cunning urchin]

Maybe you rerolled the Pool of Purging when you only had 3 boons.

That seems like something you would do.

[plain river]

I’m thinking that might’ve been the case or I just was bad at seeing

[soft kiln]

omg i basically died to a trial room with 4 fast bombers followed by witches

[amber bobcat]

Does the ext Aphro boon on cast gd for hera

[soft kiln]

stupid +damage chaos boon

[soft kiln]

what

[amber bobcat]

Nvm

[plain river]

Blown kiss?

[soft kiln]

nevermind instead of clarifying? good talk

tbh i'm curious if blown kiss has any effect there too

[plain river]

Extremely cool talk

[soft kiln]

whether or not that was the question XD

[plain river]

Just got 296 darkness from lernie 😳

[soft kiln]

only cause you're a cool dude

[plain river]

I have +196% darkness rn holy

Oh

Lets go

Explosive + charged skewer

This elysium feels like I have js5 on rn wtf

444 darkness from heroes

[soft kiln]

Anyone have tips for taking advantage of blade rush?

Is it good on anything besides fists?

[tight basin]

What's blade rush lol

[plain river]

Blade dash I assume

lets go

Darkness trove #2 this run

[soft kiln]

Yeah mb

Blade dash

[tight basin]

Blade dash is good for UC fodder lol

But like it's not great even for melee aspects

[soft kiln]

I was really enjoying it on fists earlier. Just chunks the gathered groups

[plain river]

Blade dash good for charging call when you don’t have smair

[cunning urchin]

Blade Dash is good on melee.

Just make sure you pom it.

[soft kiln]

Is it the go to pom after jolt or call?

[cunning urchin]

Can't answer a general question like that tbh.

But if you take Blade Dash, it should be with the intention to put poms on it.

If you don't think you can or want to spare poms, you don't take it.

On the other hand, it has good pom scaling. And getting more boons with good pom scaling means you can get more value out of your poms.

[plain river]

Walking into ely
Should I sell unpommed common jolt and hope for better rarity?

[soft kiln]

I wouldn't

No guarantee you see another zeus

[cunning urchin]

Do you have UC on?

[plain river]

Nope

[cunning urchin]

Then don't purge.

[turbid needle]

going for a twin fist demeter build and merciful end what should I invest my poms in?

[soft kiln]

Doom

[turbid needle]

big bet :>

like impending doom?

[soft kiln]

Also impending doom

[turbid needle]

alrighty

[cunning urchin]

Those two, yeah.

[soft kiln]

I mean curse of agony and impending doom depending on what gives more damage at the time

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Agony and Impending Doom.

[turbid needle]

yeee

[soft kiln]

Time to pull out a calculator

[turbid needle]

yea bc curse of agony ups base doom dmg

[cunning urchin]

Calculating is gonna cost you more RTA than pomming the wrong option between the two lol.

[soft kiln]

Pause?

[cunning urchin]

RTA

Real time.

[soft kiln]

Right I mean I guess if that's what they're doing

[turbid needle]

imma get the story done first then focus on speed running and speed runs of this game look so cool

[plain river]

Up either

[cunning urchin]

I wasn't talking about speedruns, just that it doesn't really matter too much in the end.

[turbid needle]

but tbf hades is a great game overall

[plain river]

Meta this meta that

Anything works anyways

Meta no matter

[tender latch]

based

anyheat wr with crystal clarity gilgamesh

[plain river]

make up your own speedrun category so you can have wr in it until someone else tried it

[rose nexus]

Have you meta girl?

[plain river]

Yes

[rose nexus]

Me too

[plain river]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[rose nexus]

@plain river are you starting dio or Poseidon for darkness?

[plain river]

Pos

for oceans bounty and splash dash

[rose nexus]

😦 start pos Chiron and get c1 hammer perfect sniper explosive

Guess I’m not doing Chiron

[tight basin]

Why would you start pos with Chiron lol

Do zag bow

[rose nexus]

Darkness farm attempt

[tight basin]

Yeah but Chiron sucks with a pos core start

[rose nexus]

Chiron sucks anyway

[tight basin]

True

[plain river]

I’m following the dark thirst and switching aspect in descending order

[rose nexus]

Which of those hammers do I want for zag bow?

[plain river]

Perfect

[tight basin]

Explosive isn't bad either but yeah

[rose nexus]

Lmfao crit for 488

[tender latch]

Is artemis the one core god that you don't mind seeing basically no matter what

I genuinely can't think of a build that doesn't appreciate art

[rose nexus]

Artemis is the one god that likes to take over runs in my experience

[tender latch]

So true

[plain river]

I mind seeing it rn

[tender latch]

5 art boons moment

[rose nexus]

I love her but sometimes it’s unhelpful

[plain river]

Rn when I’m just running pos dio zeus and aphrodite for most runs

Since I haven’t got to the castpects yet

[tender latch]

what

[plain river]

I’m not picking up artemis

[tender latch]

how do you still not have all of them

[plain river]

Darkness farming

I’m going through aspects in descending order

but also following dark thirst

[tender latch]

Strange but alright

[plain river]

So I haven’t reached any of them yet

[tender latch]

Also what is that combo for

[tight basin]

None of Arty's boons are like egregiously bad so it's generally fine to pick up unless you're at 3/4 gods and don't have your second core god yet

[tender latch]

^

[plain river]

generally pos start get exclusive access for purple eclipse from chaos

[tender latch]

What aspect appreciates dio over artemis for example

[plain river]

Oh I’m not saying that it just isn’t a good pick up rn while I’m farming darkness

[tight basin]

Pstatus Chiron lol

[tender latch]

just run ff

[plain river]

It’ll change once I’m using castpects

[tender latch]

artemis chiron does way more

It's big numbers fr

[tight basin]

Eh I like Dio because it gives me a place to put early poms on

[rose nexus]

Artemis Chiron can get shafted by hammers

[tight basin]

Imagine playing unmodded

[plain river]

Like rn
On darkness farming runs with non-castpect aspects
I would not appreciate artemis

Is what I am saying

[rose nexus]

Wtf is this run

Forced Zeus, forced Athena, forced ares

At least I got an eclipse

[plain river]

based

Getting forced into zeus ain’t bad

So I leave tart with splash dash and dio aid on zag rail

Should I force zeus or aphrodite first

I also have cluster bomb

I’m gonna grab zeus

[indigo compass]

ide say zeus is better for atk on rail unless your goin hestia:p

[rose nexus]

Get Zeus cast and then tempest strike

Super soaker zagrail

[plain river]

Aphrodite would go on special

[indigo compass]

also works yeah, i allways play hestia myself so i go for aphro on atk then:)

[plain river]

Arguably… artemis and shackle and zeus are equally as viable on hestia attack

[indigo compass]

well its all good ofc 🙂 i have my specific play style:)

[plain river]

tbf though aside from which duos they open up artemis and aphrodite are kind of interchangable

[tight basin]

hack the game so you have a 100% crit chance on arty boons

[plain river]

Bruh what is this

[rose nexus]

Arte attack kinda underwhelming on Hestia when the game bones you on crits

[indigo compass]

i allways do butterfly with hestia rail aphro on atk if possible and then fiery presence high confidence for mirror:)

[rose nexus]

Go aphro attack pp/mark so you get fat crits and fat normals

[plain river]

Butterfly bruh

[tight basin]

reset until you get epic aphro start and never take it off lol

[rose nexus]

TFW my three Pom choices are ares garbage I was forced into

[tight basin]

i simply would've sold ares

[plain river]

MFW I buy aphrodite in aspho midshop and it’s her attack (on zag rail) and then walk into zeus only for the only core option to be flourish

Game rng is backwards

[rose nexus]

Enter the barge without popping one of the bombs challenge (only 1% can beat this)

[tight basin]

should've gotten spread fire

[plain river]

Popping? Is that a bouldy tower defense reference?

[rose nexus]

Explosive perfect shot 💪

[plain river]

Based

[rose nexus]

Every midshop has offered ares go away

[plain river]

Me when

No ocean bounty

No eclipse

[tight basin]

dark thirst tho :)

[plain river]

That’s my one solace rn

[tender latch]

how, regular 8 arrow special is gonna deal good damage anyway

[rose nexus]

80 dmg base

[tender latch]

you need good chaos boons to make up for it

[plain river]

Delta shadow gaming

Just 2 hours ago I was an unseen cleaner that’s like 3 ranks in that time period

[rose nexus]

Two 5sacks in a row kinda a buzzkill

Unmodded moment

[plain river]

unmodded gaming 💪

[twin cloak]

Hunter instinct:

[tight basin]

that's a t2 boon tho

so like

it's whatever you're gonna see other options

unless ap2

[plain river]

C1 purple oceans bounty

[twin cloak]

Aid is also kinda smelly but better than nothing ig

[tight basin]

yeah

[plain river]

C10 huge catch !!!

Zag bow is not doing great for me rn

probably a skill issue

[rose nexus]

Yeah my run was caca

Being forced into 2 gods I definitely didn’t want helped

Fated authority secret op?

[plain river]

Force the gods you want till you get the boons you want 🧠

[plain river]

c10 huge catch better than c(#>=11) huge catch though

[loud fossil]

Does anyone know the standard posiden sword build?

[rose nexus]

Lightning phalanx

Or any strong sticking cast, with things like exit wounds and mirage shot

[loud fossil]

Ty

[plain river]

Get cshot
Win

I can’t say anything I’m not good at beo

[tight basin]

a lot of it just comes down to enemy grouping tbh

abuse the mirage shot bug

start flood flare, arty atk, get mirage

[rose nexus]

Personally I would just instaphase heroes

[tight basin]

did you run legacy

[rose nexus]

Run pride so you can get purple flood flare

Not using nectar and wondering where duos are

si detected

[plain river]

Purple family favourites

[rose nexus]

Have you tried getting mirage shot in tart

[plain river]

Man running pstatus

[rose nexus]

You wasted it

[plain river]

It’s easy and possible

[rose nexus]

Start pos get natural arti

Just get the boons

[plain river]

Just have good RNG

[tight basin]

i mean mirage in tart is obv the best but if you get it in aspho or ely it's fine

flood flare does a lot still

[rose nexus]

You should have routed c4 mirage shot tbh

Lernie sucks in general

I hate when it takes forever to exit bubble

Or when the heads spawn and stay in the magma for ten years

I mean I’m not talking about exclusively beo

[tight basin]

even if you're running hs just take the damage lol

i mean lernie sucks in general

i mean yeah

but also

do it anyways

[rose nexus]

Just use your eury to upgrade into heroic sure footing

And still probably take 1 dmg per tick

Lmao

HL free

[plain river]

Lmfao when did I pick up curse of vengeance

Mega gaming

[tight basin]

run 40 heat lol

rip

[plain river]

Wait I had low tolerance and curse of vengeance before I got to asphodel what is this run

[tight basin]

legacy being a scam

[rose nexus]

Using Achilles special to move around because you took serrated 🧠

[plain river]

Also

An unnatural amount of these darkness hunts

Have gotten purple rd before exclusive access

curse of nausea in asphodel end shop

[rose nexus]

Does flood shot proc sea storm? Ik flare doesn’t

[tight basin]

it should

flares are weird

also shot is a prereq

i mean yeah but flares are naturally bugged lol

[plain river]

Talos

Talos floodshot dps is gaming

[rose nexus]

Achilles darkness run

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1029161860508962886/IMG_2323.jpg

Don’t look at the timer btw my excuse is I’m using chiron and started with dio rather than splash dash

[rose nexus]

7min lernie enter

Speed incarnate

[plain river]

Purple rd with hyper sprint
Lvl 3 dio flourish with CoN and LT
2 chaos eclipses

I am gaming

[plain river]

I’m using chiron

[rose nexus]

Hyper delivery on Chiron sounds based

[plain river]

And I took an erebus gate

[plain river]

The dio is doing damage anyways but yeah its gaming

[rose nexus]

Just dash around while hangover ticks

[plain river]

Exactly

The fact of the matter is

I have amazing rng

[twin cloak]

Styx shredder

Blizzard shot

[spare flare]

Quick question: Why does Rama not want Explosive Shot?

[tight basin]

It's hella slow

Rama is already slow without it and it's so much slower with explosive

[spare flare]

Kinda' figured. +300% is an awful lot, though.

I just went through all of Asphodel without Adamant Arrowhead triggering once.

[rose nexus]

Are you sure you equipped it?

In the elevator room

[tight basin]

Did you start the run with it in Tartarus

[plain river]

Rama already slow
Explosive make slow into slow^2

[spare flare]

Yeah, no, I equipped it in the elevator room before Asphodel for sure.

Rooms even rolled up other boons.

[plain river]

Then it should’ve triggered unless you somehow saw no gods other than hermes

because arrowhead will literally make the next instance of a god giving a boon into artemis

iirc

[spare flare]

Hermes first, yeah, but after that, I saw Poseidon, Aphrodite, and Ares.

[plain river]

That

[spare flare]

It had the little 1 on it that signifies that it has an unspent charge the whole time.

[plain river]

Shouldn’t’ve happened unless you missed artemis

[plain river]

Wtf then lmfao

[spare flare]

Right?

[plain river]

your arrowhead just didn’t trigger

Idk how

[spare flare]

Guess that I should post a bug report, though I doubt that the devs care.

[plain river]

Wait actually I think this is wrong

I don’t remember

[plain river]

Well like what is there to report other than “arrow head didn’t work this time”

unless it’s a recursive issue

Which I’ve never had issues with arrowhead I think

[spare flare]

Recurring, you mean.

[plain river]

I did mean recurring

It’s 3am I can’t words good

[spare flare]

But yeah, I'll put just that: "Arrowhead no work this time, plz fix, 'kaythanksbye."

[plain river]

maybe like
“Didn’t work when I equiped it for aspodel” would be slightly more helpful but yeah

[rose nexus]

Some of the rooms have exits that are off to the side

I’m thinking of stairs room in particular

[plain river]

You could’ve missed it too

[rose nexus]

So you could have missed seeing it when it showed and then got unlucky with a repeat

I’ve dodged my keepsake god in asphodel twice on purpose and then never saw it again in aspho

[spare flare]

Yeah, no, I know to look for all the exits, and none had Arty, and again, that little 1 was there the whole time.

[rose nexus]

The 1 won’t go away until you accept the forced boon

Or enter the forced boon room I guess

I haven’t figured out yet if buying a boon from your keepsake god in midshop eats your keepsake charge or not

[spare flare]

As soon as it changes a boon, whether in the shop or not, it spends the charge.

Ugh. Bloody hitbox dissonance . . .

[spare flare]

Or, well, it used to. Now, I just saw a Zeus boon with a 1 on my signet. I remember, now, that a patch changed how god accessories work, so that they don't lose the charge if you miss one.

[thorn tendon]

i don’t believe it will change the shop boon

[feral night]

there's a very defined s tier for every aspect but if you go below that things get much more opinion based
and why would you ever want to use anything but the best hammers

[spare flare]

Okay, so what are the best hammers per aspect, and are they rated in order of priority?

[feral night]

like do you want me to list them for all 24

every sword wants double edge, arthur does well with shadow slash

for zag and hades spear you want exploding skewer/charged skewer, achilles you want flurry jab, and gy has a variety of hammers but mostly just charged skewer

for shield you want charged shot, unless you're doing super high heat

for bow you want twin/triple, and then perfect/point-blank, hera can work well with flurry

fists all want breaching cross

all rails want clockets (cluster+rocket bomb) but can work with a variety of them, and luci wants triple bomb

(i'm not the greatest at hades or remembering things so there might be some things off here)

[spare flare]

Sure, or at least the top aspects per weapon.
Why would Charged Shot not be good at high heat?
What else do fists want?

[feral night]

your bull rush is invincible, which can be very useful for dodging attacks, and charged shot removes the iframes for damage and range

zagshield and chaos still use charged shot tho

[winter glacier]

does chiron want relentless/concentrated volley?

[feral night]

and i forget what fists want because I Don't Play Them

[feral night]

if you're playing it like chiron, yeah
if you're playing it like worse zag bow (generally more optimal) no

[winter glacier]

ok good to know

[cunning urchin]

Breaching Cross is right. Explosive Upper second for Demeter Aspect.

Long Knuckle can be very helpful at high heat.

[plain river]

Shield always wants cshot, no? 🤨

Even at super high heat

[cunning urchin]

He's talking about like 60+.

I presume.

[plain river]

60+ it doesn’t want cshot?

Why?

[feral night]

i'm talking about beo and zeus

[feral night]

here

[cunning urchin]

EM4 with 1 dash and no Bull-Rush isn't the most fun. And Charged Shot loses some value when you have DC1 or DC2.

Can still go for it, but you'd need consistently precise blocks vs dad. Good luck with that.

Well, not like I expect you to grind for 60+ anyway.

But yeah, that's the idea.

Somewhat irrelevant for 99.999..% of players anyway lol.

[plain river]

I’m going to complete 65 heat one day

[soft kiln]

what would you take into aspho on zeus^2 with tidal dash and athena already?

poseidon? aphro?

i guess artemis potentially goes well with a zeus/athena duo?

cause i could end up with mirage shot but that seems whatever

[lucid oar]

Zagshield always wants cshot

Zeus works well explosive return

[soft kiln]

that doesn't really answer the question

oh my bad i think

it was part of another convo

[lucid oar]

Oh I was responding to the earlier shield convo

Artemis and aphro both good here

[spare flare]

Artemis and Aphro are both good in general.

[plain river]

Artemis for deadly reversal?

Or aphrodite for smair

will also give a full god pool

[rose nexus]

Ignore the 4th god so you keep getting offered different ones and it ruins your run

🧠

[cunning urchin]

Well, don't take a 4th god just for the sake of it either.

[wicked adder]

where can i find weapon attack speeds

im doing Math

and need to quantify them

[plain river]

It’s not the only reason

Hence the words “also”

[cunning urchin]

@plain river I wasn't replying to you.

[plain river]

Oh

I just used to you saying I’m wrong about stuff at this point

[cunning urchin]

Well.

I guess I just told you you were wrong again.

[plain river]

True

[wicked adder]

ya but surely someone else has done that already

[cunning urchin]

Not really because there's no real practical use for it.

[turbid needle]

I have lvl 11 slicing shot, aspect of Achilles, hunting blades, engulfing vortex, vicious cycle, and ravenous will

and poseidons wave dash and wave pounding it's such a fun/broken build

[rose nexus]

I’m gonna switch to legacy I think because I miss having fun like that

Duos been spiting me for a while

[plain river]

Just get the boons smh

[plain river]

If you forced demeter in with hopes of getting freezing vortex as well you’ll be sad to learn that you cannot have hunting blades and freezing vortex at the same@time

[turbid needle]

pain

but I was melting hades

[wicked adder]

comparing dps?

[plain river]

Weapon fire rate will not be as good of a judge of dps compared to literally modding a dps meter into your game… so long as are using something that supports modding

[wicked adder]

i dont wanna mod lol

just wanna get a general vibe

[plain river]

Well even then

[tight basin]

just because different weapons have different hit rates doesn't mean you can really compare their dps that well
most of it comes down to boon build

[rose nexus]

Gun, Fist = fast

Sword, spear, shield, bow = hard

This knowledge is applicable to picking attack boons

And nothing else

Really

[tight basin]

like, fists might have a lower base dps overall compared to say, rail for example (idk if this is true), but fists with ME is one of the highest dps builds in the game and fists does it much better than rail (other than eris rail maybe)

[plain river]

Spreadfire zag rail 🤨

[rose nexus]

Excuse me Arthur ME is the highest dps in the game

[tight basin]

actually fists ME would be better compared to sword ME

fists probably has lower dps

but with ME it's probably faster

[plain river]

ME Spreadfire zag rail is better than ME fists no?

[tight basin]

no clue

spreadfire has a high base shot but you still have to reload and you're putting flat damage on top of it anyways

and i dont remember how fast spread fire shoots

[plain river]

Fast enough

[cunning urchin]

If you want to get a general vibe, I suggest having a look at runs on the speedrun leaderboard to get a sense of the build meta for DPS. https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat

This should also be useful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

[iron shale]

what would be the best cast focused weapon ?

[feral night]

beowulf or hera, depending on how you feel when you wake up

beo wants flood flare with mirage shot and hera wants crush shot

[iron shale]

thx

[tender latch]

Beo's easier because you won't lose your cast 7 miles across the room, if you can't control hera that well

[proper furnace]

Crush shot doesnt go that far lol

[whole vessel]

Crush shot on Hera? That sounds silly, like, silly overpowered. Imma try that

[tender latch]

It is, it's the meta hera build lol

Hera's really nice over other aspects because you really only care about 2 gods (and a handful of their boons), and unless you get a full pool in tart it's really easy to make sure 2/4 are the ones you need

Those being aphrodite and demeter

Not really needing too many boons also means you can get more poms for your cast, and a higher chance of pomming your cast

Beowulf wants 2 gods + a duo, so overall it takes longer for your build to be more or less fully online

And achilles wants 2 gods + a duo, arguably 3 gods since you usually start poseidon dash

[cunning urchin]

You can have "bad" Hera runs once in a while where you just don't find any poms early on, but that's very very rare.

[whole vessel]

Omg duos though, I'm on almost 200 attempts now and my divine dash vice keeps me missing all those duos

[tender latch]

Which duos-

Merciful end? You need flourish first

[tender latch]

Yeah, but that's the thing; it's once in a while. I wouldn't be surprised if the main reason it's faster than beo on leaderboard is just the fact that it's a more consistent build to set up relatively quickly

[cunning urchin]

The main reason is Croven.

[tender latch]

does he not play a bunch of beo too

He's less than a second off beo wr

Cracked player gonna be cracked on any good weapon

[whole vessel]

Still filling out the duo prophecy tbf and this thread is convincing me to try out other builds so uhh thanks!

[tender latch]

Which do you still need

Also, if you wanna make it go faster, you can identify builds that target multiple

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but pretty sure he likes Hera more.

Beowulf Flood Flare has better AOE but Hera's Casts drop all at once immediately after a kill. Hard to say which has the better max potential in a realistic run that's not seeded/routed. I think Beowulf has an easier time getting near top potential, though. Hera is incredibly consistent up to a point but requires quite a few pieces to push it over the edge to where Beowulf gets a little more easily because 2x Cast damage and big AOE, if that makes sense.

[tender latch]

Yeah, they both have little edges over each other. I'd figure Hera is still probably a bit better all else being equal, because having more viable tart/aspho times over time means you have more chances to get a good ely/styxdad time, too

Beo needs a good bit to go right already before it can start pushing limits on the later sections, since a bad time in early regions adds a lot of time anyway

[gusty rapids]

yea i dont really play tht much beo

like relative to my hera playtime, that is

if i was gunning for the fastest realistic modded time, i think beo is probably just the way to go unfortunately. unmodded im still a hera supporter thanks to its flexibility with hammers

[tender latch]

Oh, really? How come-

[gusty rapids]

cshot beo is just incredibly good at elysium/styx/dad, very fast and much more consistent at those splits than hera could ever be

like heroes fight alone is on avg 10s timesave from beo to hera LOL

hera/beo tart is probably about equivalent, maybe leaning beo since its better at furies. i like hera for aspho more but if i was only going for a top time, beo is just a stronger weapon when you can guarantee charged shot

hera elysiums need a lot to go right, beo can just blast through everything

[tender latch]

Cshot really is wack asf

Dshot even wilder

[gusty rapids]

lol

but yea cshot on beowulf is absurd

[tight basin]

Darged shot goes hard

[tender latch]

What if you were an unarmored witch trying to be a thorn in Zagreus' side

Only to see an entire spirit dragon the size of a freight train flying at you

[grand zenith]

Is Aphrodite’s call worth?

[tight basin]

It's really good at full charge

If you have it with smair it's not the worst thing in the world since you can stun a lot tho

[grand zenith]

Oh cool.

[grand zenith]

So… I didn’t pick it.

And then I died to Aphrodite’s curse in a Dual Boon room.

Feels like karma.

[tight basin]

based

[rose nexus]

This is why we pick Aphrodite first

[grand zenith]

Eh, Artemis still best waifu.

[rose nexus]

But in trials her punishment is a big pain as you just found out

So is Poseidon’s

And Athena’s to a lesser extent

[grand zenith]

Ah...

[tight basin]

athena's prob the easiest tbh

[grand zenith]

Well it was her or Demeter.

[tight basin]

oh

yeah fair choice

dem is the worst

[grand zenith]

and I didn't wanna tick granny off.

[grand zenith]

Just gotta love Yoyo-Fist.

[rose nexus]

Talos?

In this house we put Poseidon on talos special and play ping pong fist

[grand zenith]

Yuh, with Tempest Flourish.

I rly wish we could send photos.

But...

[rose nexus]

Upload to Imgur or post somewhere else on discord and get media link

Then paste the link

[grand zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751932983094804582/1029973990086803506/unknown.png

Special only run?

LEZ GO!!!

[rose nexus]

Do it up

[grand zenith]

I got Rupture Shoals.

[rose nexus]

Delta chamber with +3 dashes is fun

[tight basin]

tempest flourish talos brings me so much pain

[rose nexus]

It brings the enemies so much pain

||in Tartarus||

[thorn tendon]

splash dash and dash cancel every pull instead

[grand zenith]

Why? It's so fun.

[grand zenith]

Lel, definitely keeps me out of fire more in Asphodel.

[grand zenith]

https://imgur.com/aNx3dy9

[tight basin]

acorn start gaming

[rose nexus]

I was waiting for her to kill you the entire time

Aiming with the mouse sounds like suffering to me and my c*nsole peasant self

[tight basin]

just have good aim idk man

[grand zenith]

Lel, the mouse assists really help, although sometimes u lose track of the cursor.

[plain river]

Where is the dashing

This has no right to have taken as long as it did

[tight basin]

it's tempest flourish talos

with uppercut only

what did you expect

[rose nexus]

Tempest flourish talos is gaming

[grand zenith]

Indeed, 'twas more of a gimmick kill than anything.

[tight basin]

you can turn on bright cursor

[rose nexus]

But for bosses you’d wanna do dash strike uppers

[plain river]

Where were the dashes

[tight basin]

makes it white

[grand zenith]

I will do that now, thanks.

[tight basin]

yeah

i use it and it makes it a lot easier to see

because the original is red on black/gray in tart and red on gray/red in aspho

[soft kiln]

nemesis arty attack, aphro special/dash walking into aspho with zeus keepsake for smair

first hermes boon do i take purple reflex or purple hyper sprint

i think it's just reflex ?

i mean hyper rush isn't THAT good on nemesis, although it'll be insane with smair, but so is billions of dash strikes

[tight basin]

is this ap1 or no

[soft kiln]

Nah

[tight basin]

if you feel like gambling on rd then hyper sprint, otherwise reflex

[soft kiln]

Im too bad at sword to gamble

[tight basin]

i'd take hsprint because even if the gamble doesn't pay off its still good damage reduction and speed

[soft kiln]

Hmm

[tight basin]

but reflexes is also pretty safe

you can do your standard double dstrikes and empty dash for iframes

with hsprint you only get those 2 dashes but you do get reduced damge out of it

[soft kiln]

Gah

[tight basin]

if you're concerned about safety reflexes might be better

if you need speed, hsprint is better

[soft kiln]

I'm making fine time for sure

Blah I can't decide lol

[tight basin]

go all in and go for hyper delivery lmao

[tender latch]

Reflex is weird as hell

Makes it awkward to control

At least at epic

Rare is alright

[soft kiln]

wow this aspho was perfect

purple hyper sprint => blue zeus call => smair => purple rd

got em

[tender latch]

I hate you

This is probably at 40+ heat too

[soft kiln]

it's 40

[tender latch]

I need that for anyheat speedruns dammit

[soft kiln]

but tbf i just lost like 10 sword runs in a row

[tender latch]

Yeah sword is hell

[tight basin]

me who needs it at 40 heat speedruns but can't because ap1

[tender latch]

Ap trash

[tight basin]

i dont really have a choice lmao

[tender latch]

Worst condition in the entire game fr

[tight basin]

beo can't run dc and since it's a speedrun i can't take js

[tender latch]

Yes you do

I would simply get the boons

[tight basin]

true

i've only gotten the boons when i wasn't speedrunning

[tender latch]

That's how it be

[tight basin]

before this i had 3 40 heat runs and they all had rd

now i've gotten none

[tender latch]

I've had cracked af builds while casually playing because of a crappy tart

[tight basin]

it do be like that

[tender latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1027055580986232892/unknown.png

Imagine this on an actual run

[tight basin]

lmao yeah

[tender latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1024885588727439400/unknown.png

Hera hates me

So true

[high trench]

@tender latch 40 heat soon?

[tight basin]

40 heat right now

[tender latch]

they're asking me

[tight basin]

Yeah

[tender latch]

Idk I prefer speedrunning and chilling at low heat

[tight basin]

Do it right now 🔫

[tender latch]

I just hate stuff like ap

I'm on my laptop

[tight basin]

Ap1 isn't necessary for 40

[tender latch]

Trackpad mnk hades 💀

[tight basin]

You can take js2

[tender latch]

I tried it with rama and em4 is hell with fo2

[tight basin]

Don't do em4 at 40 lmao

[tender latch]

I had so many runs where I was comfy up until em4

It's so annoying because it's ONLY phase 1

[rose nexus]

This

[tender latch]

2 and 3 em4 are a cakewalk low key

[rose nexus]

🔫

[tender latch]

At least with rama

[rose nexus]

[tender latch]

But phase 1 adds are satanic

[tight basin]

Do 40 beo lol

[tender latch]

no

[tight basin]

Cringe

[tender latch]

I only play beo for speedrunning

[tight basin]

Why not also 40 heat

[tender latch]

I don't even like it as much as other stuff

[rose nexus]

Speedrun 40 heat

[tender latch]

I don't wanna be a heat player

[tight basin]

Be both

[rose nexus]

Mans not hot

[tight basin]

Speedrun 40 heat

Be like me

Anyheat is cringe

[tender latch]

no

[tight basin]

Suffer.

[rose nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shaq-mans-not-hot-michael-dapaah-gif-10323726

[tender latch]

You're only saying that because I beat your anyheat time 👀

[tight basin]

No I legitimately don't find anyheat fun anymore lmao

It's not challenging to get good skips

Granted yeah 40 heat wants skips more

[rose nexus]

Turn off mods and then any heat will be fun again!!

[tight basin]

But at least if I don't get a good time it's a good challenge to play

[tight basin]

That'd be worse lmao

[tender latch]

Nah I just do sub 9 speedruns now

Sub9 is comfy if you're playing really well even if the rooms aren't great

[rose nexus]

Over10 > sub9

[tender latch]

dom10

I mean what

[rose nexus]

I love dominos

But I also love subway

[twin cloak]

Rama wr unmodded is kinda sloppy in non skip chambers lmao

Also fun fact bablo's zag spear 5:25 is faster than every non 185 achilles run

[rose nexus]

I can’t even fathom a 5:25 run

I’ve also never watched any speedrunning videos

Except one video that was tart in 1 min igt

[high trench]

Speedrunning is dull as dishwater.

And Bananas is right, AP1 isn't necessary for 40. Just put on that sweet max FO and HL.

[valid dagger]

You just gotta be a real gamer

And let rng do the magic

[high trench]

That's why I continue playing unmodded.

Totally not because I'm too lazy to install things.

[tender latch]

Your mom is dull as dishwater

Rng is hell but I'm not trying to break wrs

I'm just trying to push my own personal times lower in general

[high trench]

(She is, that's why I ran away from the house).

[lucid oar]

I dunno why I still go back to anyheat tbh

It’s still fun, yet I know I’m probably never gonna hit another minute barrier

[strange lark]

im still grinding for that sub4

[lucid oar]

@valid dagger were you grinding for sub 5, or just grinding for pb and the sub 5 popped out

[strange lark]

accidental sub5

[lucid oar]

Yoops

[valid dagger]

Technically I was grinding for a pb but I also reset every Tart that isn't sub130 and every Aspho that isnt sub250 so take that as you will

[lucid oar]

Makes sense

Sub 1:30 🗿

[valid dagger]

I mostly got motivated to do it because I was actually getting a lot of them

[lucid oar]

Dang

I barely get any, yet get so many 1:4x

[tender latch]

What the hell

[valid dagger]

Yea been there, that's basically what I average still, but eventually you just reset a lot more often early on

[tender latch]

Multiple run speedruns are probably more fun

[valid dagger]

Like instead of making it out of Tart with a 140 you just reset in c6 when you see a witch

[lucid oar]

I already do that

Maybe not c6

But anything after midshop or midboss

[tender latch]

Shoutout to armored louts, gotta be one of my favorite genders

[strange lark]

4 skullomat room better

[lucid oar]

Unarmored wringers 🤝 no cshot

[valid dagger]

Beo Tart kinda tough sometimes

Felt like it would be a good place to save time since I'm praying for Ely anyway and if I get a good Tart with a solid build I'll likely get a good enough Aspho

Sometimes you just exit Tart at 130 but you have like a lv2 cast and cshot and barely anything else and you just get rekt in Aspho

[tender latch]

What even is considered the best enemy pattern for each biome

[lucid oar]

Depends how deep

[tender latch]

I had this and still got a sub 7 but it didn't beat my pb 😔

I don't think I even had art yet

[lucid oar]

Early tart - 2 louts
Late tart - 4 skullomats
Aspho - 2 waves of 2 armoured blue guys
Elysium - armoured witches
Styx - you already know

Imo

[tender latch]

God I love blue skeletons

Wavemakers deserve death

[valid dagger]

Armored wavemakers can be alright but you have to be fast

With Beo and Hera

Because if they jump you just wasted 5 seconds

[tender latch]

They always spawn separated so one beo volley isn't enough 😔

[rose nexus]

They jump so much smh my head

[tender latch]

Are you speedrunning?

[rose nexus]

Speedwalking

[strange lark]

no speed just running

[soft kiln]

It's ok i just lost this stupid run to dad because i'm awful.

[tender latch]

tragedy

[tight basin]

Based

[tender latch]

2:30 is more than doable for sub10

[tight basin]

Leaving aspho at 5 minutes should be ideal

that's not too bad

still sub10able

um

take rocket

delta chamber is actually a loss of dps iirc

yeah i remember someone saying that

well you have the option for rocket

with rocket you can get the boost faster

what's your other hammer actually

yeah still rocket

as long as you have good ammo management it'll be better

what's the time rn?

[plain river]

9:59

Ez

[tight basin]

1 min is def doable

can't open codex in combat

[rose nexus]

Hammer 1 rocket here but then the run went off the rails

[tight basin]

oh lmfao

[rose nexus]

Rip

Tbh

[tight basin]

wait also

did you say you went into ely with no special boon?

[rose nexus]

Hydraulic is so nice for Styx

8:45 heroes exit tho

[tight basin]

rip

[rose nexus]

Sack room EA

[tight basin]

based

[plain river]

No codex tech in combat

[tight basin]

codex tech in combat would be a nightmare to watch

[plain river]

Best speedrun =sub 1 thnx to codex tech

[tight basin]

routed with codex tech is sub0.5

[plain river]

Wait what

Bruh

[tight basin]

30 second run

[plain river]

I need to see this wtf

[tight basin]

[plain river]

how do you combat that fast

[tight basin]

it's not a thing

[rose nexus]

But what’s the rta lmao

[tight basin]

dw about it

[rose nexus]

30 second run 30 minute rta

[plain river]

I know codex tech isn’t allowed for speedrunning

But I kind of want to see what the igt record would be if someone did it anyways

[tight basin]

i dont think anyone's done it because it's illegal and can't be submitted lol

[proper furnace]

Also would be like, really boring to watch and play

[tight basin]

What did you take into aspho

Why

Take arty or aphro for your special

Yeah but you got it so late

The issue isn't what it's when

[thorn tendon]

isn’t demeter the lowest % special

with athena

[tight basin]

I mean it's better than nothing at least

And it's still a sizeable chunk isn't it

65% or whatever isn't bad

[plain river]

artemis is lowest %

[thorn tendon]

true.

[plain river]

but yes discounting artemis athena and demeter have lowest % special… but are generally taken over pos because it isn’t that big of a difference and the knockback from pos is kind of more of a downside

[acoustic vale]

What is codex tech and why isn't it allowed in speedruns?

[unreal tree]

hydro might isnt active in styx

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835125168341778463.gif?size=64&quality=lossless

literal placebo effect lmao

[cunning urchin]

Basically just spam codex and exit codex when moving Zagreus to essentially freeze the timer.

[acoustic vale]

Oh

I see why that's not allowed

[cunning urchin]

Can DQ your run for opening codex when the timer is running.

[acoustic vale]

Lmao

Better not fat finger

[cunning urchin]

We're not quite as strict on the high heat leaderboard if you open your codex mid-run just to check something since it's not focused on IGT. But obviously if you exploit it, then it's not leaderboard legal for high heat either.

[plush pollen]

should I get beowulf aspects as a beginner ?

I have enough titan blood to unlock it

[cunning urchin]

Wrong server lmao.

[plush pollen]

I saw that

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-wakamo-l2d-live2d-anime-gif-24637058

I mean it's innocent.

[plush pollen]

idc

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[plush pollen]

i believe the description says you take more damage

[cunning urchin]

Strongest aspect in the game for like 99.9% of relevant content.

You take 10% more damage. But the block arc is greatly increased, and you're invincible during Dragon-Rushes anyway.

Also during any Bull-Rushes.

[plush pollen]

thats true

Ima try it and try not to regret my life choices

bc the 20% damage doesn't look that much

[cunning urchin]

Plus, Beowulf typically one-shots pretty much anything if you know how to build it effectively and can even-shot boss phases if you get the right pieces.

[plush pollen]

what is Naegling's Board

[plush pollen]

even level 1 ???

[cunning urchin]

That's just the name for the weapon aspect.

[plush pollen]

I mean like the 20% dragon rush bonus

[cunning urchin]

Potential is a little lower, but your main damage comes from your Cast, and that damage is unaffected by the aspect's level.

[plush pollen]

I have like 3 casts lets say, if i load every single one it would good damage

even if level 1

[cunning urchin]

Go-to builds are Flood Flare start and then aim for Mirage Shot or Passion Flare start and then aim for Snow Burst (or Frost Strike).

The former build takes Family Favorite, the latter takes Privileged Status.

[plush pollen]

mmmm nice

[cunning urchin]

Of course there's more depth to both builds, but those are the most critical boons for each build.

Also lots of poms on your Cast.

[plush pollen]

I'll give it a try

[cunning urchin]

And any +1 bloodstones or +% Cast damage you can get from Master Chaos or buy from Wells of Charon.

So... the two god keepsakes for the build in the first two regions, and then in Elysium I recommend the Bone Hourglass to get extra duration on those Well items.

[plush pollen]

also do you have any idea how to complete some fated list items ?

[cunning urchin]

And when you enter Styx, you can buy from the Well there again and get bonus duration before you switch your keepsake to something else like Acorn or whatever.

[plush pollen]

thx

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but I need to go actually. I guess you can have a look at the list here. I guess just search for the name of the prophecy and don't look at other entries if you want to avoid potential spoilers for other prophecies. https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Fated_List_of_Minor_Prophecies

Or alternatively hope for somebody else to answer your questions about the prophecies. Plenty of veterans around here.

[plush pollen]

bought the shield now time to take it for a test run

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

If you play on pad, I recommend remapping Cast to L1/LB when you play Beowulf or Hera.

[plush pollen]

🔥 🔥 🔥 thx

[grand zenith]

What’s the best build for Aspect of Demeter Fists?

[thorn tendon]

i usually start w flat damage on fists then go whatever

[cunning urchin]

Merciful End. I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect with some general tips and a variety of decent builds here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[grand zenith]

Thanks!

[plain river]

The real go to build is MEowulf

[rose nexus]

Wtf lmao

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1010216763717320735.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[fading pecan]

deadly reversal says it adds 20% crit chance after deflecting, I assume anything can crit? including Ares cast? (Feel conflicted between this and support fire)

[strange lark]

yeah all damage coming from zag can crit

including calls

[fading pecan]

Ooh okay thanks! I will sadly leave support fire for another run haha

[rose nexus]

You have to actually deflect something tho right

Unlike ME and blinding flash which is attacks that can deflect

[thorn tendon]

i think there are a few things that can’t crit

explosive return and hoarding slash, maybe jolted and rupture?

[strange lark]

jolted and rupture can crit

i think explosive return is the only thing that cant crit

[thorn tendon]

what’s the best cast for talos?

[strange lark]

anything that doesnt open any other duos in your ME build

[plain river]

I like pos cast talos

look for blizzard shot and mirage shot

[unreal tree]

Idk man ive never seen aphro call crit

[plain river]

Hoarding slash doesn’t crit either

Never heard of explosive return not critting

[thorn tendon]

explosive return will trigger on hit effects too

it just can’t crit for whatever reason

[strange lark]

Can't crit but can backstab 🗿

[unreal tree]

Wait what

[strange lark]

Wait was it aphro call that can backstab

Or arty

[plain river]

Arte makes sense but if aphro could it’d be funnier

[strange lark]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

Hmm

[plain river]

It’s actually dio call that can backstab

[strange lark]

Yeah

[plain river]

That literally doesn’t even have a crit chance from anywhere

Only the flourish can crit

[strange lark]

Talking about backstabs

[plain river]

Oh yeah

I’m just confusing myself it’s a meta strategy

[loud fossil]

If you are able to get a call on posiden build, out of hades dio athena and posiden which one is the best?

Guessing hades cause hes goated?

[tight basin]

poseidon sword?

[rose nexus]

Hades could be good since Poseidon sword is burst damage

[tight basin]

depends on the rest of the build tbh

[rose nexus]

So could dio

Dio call is always great if you don’t have any other hangover sources

[tight basin]

if you have zeus and aphro cores already, dio call would be good

[loud fossil]

Ty

Is there somewhere i can post images, cause i want ur Opinions on my posiden build?

Nvm

https://imgur.com/a/jNyuxhJ

[tight basin]

Wait what website/app is this it looks really neat

[tight basin]

Also should've gotten Zeus in your pool, lightning phalanx is a pretty good duo for something like this

[loud fossil]

Ill consider going zeus on attack prolly

infallible-hermann-24036f.netlify.app

[tight basin]

That's probably fine yeah
Call could work too if you chance upon it

[plain river]

Wtf is this? It looks rad but I’ve never ever seen any thing like it