in my shackle run i had arty flourish that i sold before styx lmao
#h1-builds-and-combat
magic dagger
same issue applies
it isn't a squirt gun
it's just an extra-bashy shield
rose nexus
I hate pos small because it runs out so subtly
plain river
Is not super soaker if not tempest strike
rose nexus
And suddenly I’m taking damage I didn’t expect to
plain river
same issue applies
it isn't a squirt gun
it's just an extra-bashy shield
If it’s cshot pos strike it’s a super soaker
rose nexus
Should I try a run with lv1 Gilgamesh or gouge out my eyes which one
tight basin
what does lvl 1 gilga do actually
plain river
I should create one big image with all my shackle victory screens
tight basin
does it just increase maim damage
plain river
level increases maim damage yeah
grizzled estuary
whats gilgamesh, a weapon aspect?
tight basin
hidden fist
tight basin
you need various titan blood requirements into weapons/aspects
they're pinned in #h1-story-discussion if you want to get them asap, but if you just play normally and upgrade whatever you'll get it naturally
rose nexus
To get the first you have to unlock several nonzag aspects and have at least one clear (I think?)
tight basin
tight basin
rose nexus
Nitro moment
grizzled estuary
i wouldnt know because the link was deleted before i could even see
tight basin
go find the server yourself it was like tiktok 18+ lmfao
grizzled estuary
ew
tight basin
lmfao
tight basin
lernie tax
ngl if i didn't get mirage from aspho endshop i would've died to lernie
god em2 is actually pain
em3 isn't even that bad unless you unga bunga too hard (which i kinda did because i had patty sd)
plain river
Em2 is actually speed
tight basin
it's speed but also death
plain river
Is worth the speed
tight basin
ngl i dont have much of a choice regarding pact conditions when doing 40 heat
iirc when doing bounties i started taking em2 at like 10 heat or so lmao
it wasn't that bad tbh
but now it's bad
grizzled estuary
40 heat... holy moly
i havent had to go beyond 3 yet
tight basin
lmao you'll get there eventually
plain river
I was about to say 32 heat is the highest I’ve tried but
grizzled estuary
oh im sure haha
tight basin
50 heat is absolute pain tho
rose nexus
Em3 is pain if you expect the mega swings phase of asterius to end after 2 swings like normal
tight basin
Em3 is pain if you expect the mega swings phase of asterius to end after 2 swing...
isn't it 3 swings
rose nexus
Hm maybe
tight basin
3 swings and a pause
rose nexus
Everything falls out of my brain the moment I stop using it
tight basin
same lmao
tight basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1024810450489184286/IM...
shouldn't have gotten cshot ap1ed imo
also this is why modded is gaming
rose nexus
Can mods guarantee hammers through ap?
grizzled estuary
Can you mod switch?
tight basin
you can, somenoobdying did it but idk how
apart from him idk anyone else who's done it
plain river
Can you mod switch?
Yes but then you can’t use switch online anymore
rose nexus
Release a copy of the hammer mod that guarantees ap will block your chosen hammer
tight basin
based
rose nexus
Modded community in shambles
grizzled estuary
Yes but then you can’t use switch online anymore
i dont have switch online lmao
tight basin
Can mods guarantee hammers through ap?
first hammer only gives you 1 option btw so that's why it's guaranteed through ap2
tight basin
wdym
the first hammer literally gives you only 1 option lmao
not like, 3 options of all the same
literally just 1
rose nexus
Ah
tight basin
nothing's crossed out
rose nexus
Interesting that the game has a consideration for that built in to ap then
Hm talos fists with Zeus atk pos special and dash and aphro call
And I have all 3 of them as door options
Advice plz
rose nexus
I was leaning that
It’s miniboss tho
Inb4 witches circle
At least I’m not running MM this run
tight basin
Miniboss isn't that bad
rose nexus
Just spamming talos pull on the witches based
tight basin
Yeah lmao
rose nexus
Shot, jolted, clouded judgement
Reroll for duos or just take jolted
Play the game for me plz
grizzled estuary
YES I GOT THE DUO BOON I WAS AIMING FOR
rose nexus
YES I GOT THE DUO BOON I WAS AIMING FOR
Ayo
tight basin
Reroll for duos or just take jolted
Take jolted
grizzled estuary
Jolted is very good indeed
grizzled estuary
indeed
man at first i wasnt sure about giving up my second dodge but ruthless reflex is actually kinda goated
grizzled estuary
OH true yeah, you wanna make sure you can get behind that pillar
i just want to have one successful escape attempt with ruthless reflex and then i can go back to having two dashes
grizzled estuary
ohhh nice
grizzled estuary
ok got past tartarus, should i equip the keepsake for posiedon, artemis or dionysus?
(had zeus as my first keepsake)
strange lark
what weapon is this
grizzled estuary
bow
tight basin
What do you have Zeus on
grizzled estuary
i have zeus cast
rose nexus
grizzled estuary
i should mention i already have arte special
rose nexus
Zagbow?
grizzled estuary
LMAO not a fan of electric shot?
rose nexus
It’s just not very based in my experience
If you’re playing Chiron you should take Aphrodite for attack next
grizzled estuary
chiron as in the aspect right?
rose nexus
Yes
tight basin
LMAO not a fan of electric shot?
it's more like, why'd you start with a keepsake and not modify your atk
or special if you're using chiron yeah
grizzled estuary
alright noted for next run lmao
tight basin
only on cast based aspects is when you start with cast
and that'd only be poseidon, hera, or beowulf
and achilles
strange lark
and talos
rose nexus
Hate when chaos shows up when Hermes is on a door
tight basin
Hate when chaos shows up when Hermes is on a door
take chaos, hermes will show up later
strange lark
always
tight basin
heck yeah buddy
rose nexus
I really need to learn to stop taking inferno bomb curses in ely
Guaranteed flame wheels
strange lark
just dont get flamewheels
tight basin
just dont get hit by the inferno bombs
tight basin
yep
rose nexus
Splitting bolt c49 Ayo
tight basin
gaming
magic dagger
Aphro call smair js so stupid
it's not great for damaging anything
grizzled estuary
my friend did that once, he was like "DAD LOVE ME PLEASE" it was great
grizzled estuary
what consistitues a utility keepsake?
turbid needle
Is poseidon zeus combo any good for arthur
lucid oar
Not really
valid dagger
what consistitues a utility keepsake?
It can vary a little depending on what you consider to be utility, I would generally look at it as a keepsake that can almost always bring you value no matter the weapon, build, or biome, so Hourglass and Coin Purse come to mind for instance.
turbid needle
is the collar any good in high heat
hexed lagoon
Collar in general is kinda bad tbh. Once you get that mirror enhancement its basically useless
In high heat ppl often use keepsakes rhat increase survivability or a god keepsake to set up a couple prerequisites
turbid needle
cause I always use god keepsakes up to styx the switch to collar to make myself really tanky cause I also use arthur
hexed lagoon
In my (absolutely 0 experience in high heat) opinion, going feather might be a good tradeoff
The extra dodge chance and speed would be good for slow weapons like arthur
turbid needle
good idea
wary adder
In my (absolutely 0 experience in high heat) opinion, going feather might be a g...
id always take acorn over lambent plume
youre probably only going to build like 10% from an average styx biome which would take an average 50 hits to do what acorn does in the hades fight
maybe 15% actually
thorn tendon
collar is nearly always gonna be worse than tooth
grizzled estuary
It can vary a little depending on what you consider to be utility, I would gener...
Would skellys count? I mean i can always use more DDs
valid dagger
Would skellys count? I mean i can always use more DDs
Skelly’s Tooth and other defensive keepsakes such as Acorn are usually referred to as Defensive keepsakes. Utility keepsakes are the ones you pick when your build doesn’t lack anything specific from an Olympian, and when you’re also not scared of dying. If you’re scared of dying - especially common in later biomes - you take the defensive keepsake, and if your build is still not complete, you’re inclined to force the God you want to see using their keepsake.
grizzled estuary
Ahhh
valid dagger
They aren’t sorted into types or anything in the game, but it’s what you’ll mostly see around here when people talk about keepsakes.
tight basin
is the collar any good in high heat
Collar is good if you have like 2 or 3 DDs left, but at high heat we don't use DD, we use SD, so I brings very little value
strange lark
id always take acorn over lambent plume
No they talking about harpy feather duster
Which is top 10 best keepsakes imo
Nvm they talked about dodge and movespeed
Disappointed
deep lake
flurry jab or double nova for nemesis?
proper furnace
Whats third option
lucid oar
Third one?
thorn tendon
what’s the third option like
plain river
If the third option is any of the following:
Cruel thrust
Dash nova
World splitter
Hoarding slash
Cursed slash
Then you should take double nova
otherwise it’s debatable
Dash nova is like an extra dash 🧠🧠🧠
Joking
deep lake
Didn't see any of this, third option was some crap, went flurry jab for fun
it works, I'm just playing the game to mess around at this point
strange lark
um actually flurry jab is the hammer on the eternal spear 🤓
deep lake
its kinda fun just standing around like an NPC
at this point the only unlocks I have left is the ranks
strange lark
did you unlock the secret biome for 100 titan blood 100 ambrosia 100 diamonds and 50k darkness
deep lake
Haha
amber bobcat
demeter fists build ?
trail compass
Is it possible to stack every duo for the cast, i got ice wine, with zeus duo. I wonder if ares would work with it too
spark kite
Is it possible to stack every duo for the cast, i got ice wine, with zeus duo. I...
I think Ice Wine and Scintilating Feast is the exception here.
I know it doesn't work with the two Whirling Blades duos, and it also doesn't work with the two Lazer duos.
Are there any that I'm forgetting?
plain river
Is it possible to stack every duo for the cast, i got ice wine, with zeus duo. I...
The cast specific ones won’t stack
plain river
you can get mirage shot, scillanting feast and ice wine on your cast at the same time
trail compass
i got stun from wine, frost from demeter, and lightning damage from zeus
thats what i got on my cast
plain river
but you can’t say get hunting blades to work on your feastive fog
spark kite
I think Blaze's question was more about the various duos that effect the same cast.
plain river
oh
spark kite
As in Hunting Blades + Ice Blades.
plain river
Hunting blades and ice blades specifically are incompatible
and curse of drowning and blizzard shot are incompatible iirc
spark kite
Ah right that's the one I forgot.
plain river
and crystal clarity and icy embrace are also incompatible I believe
spark kite
They are indeed.
plain river
Yes
spark kite
It's Ares + Artemis, yes.
trail compass
ok, thats good to know
plain river
Mirage shot and curse of drowning are also incompatible
trail compass
i honestly was planning on stacking ares with the cast build that i got
plain river
Can’t think of any other cast duos
I don’t think lightning phalanx is incompatible with anything
To my knowledge I just listed off every incompatible cast duo pair
proper furnace
Parting shot incompatible with all flares 
plain river
The flares are aoe it wouldn’t make sense for them to backstab I think
plain river
Oh lightning flare doesn’t work with mirage shot since it’s calling lightning down I think
Pretty sure I remember hearing that
proper furnace
Yeah and 0 cast dmg
twin cloak
You could get it at some point lol
It added +35% backstab dmg!
plain river
It added +35% backstab dmg!
proper furnace
It added +35% backstab dmg!
That applied only to casts 
twin cloak
Isn't the 35% backstab bonus to anything
I feel like i remember having it and then backstabbing with fiery
twin cloak
oooooh i just tested it
basically if you backstab with fiery and parting it says backstab but you dont get any damage from it
plain river
soft kiln
it would be really cool if i upped backstab damage AND made casts backstab
be much better and worth looking for
sometimes
grizzled estuary
What gods’ boons synthesize well with aspect of talos?
tight basin
none literally all the fists can build the same way: ME, zap fists, drunk fists
talos can use the funny gimmick thing with blizzard shot tho i guess
grizzled estuary
ME?
tight basin
merciful end
grizzled estuary
Ohhh
rose nexus
Poseidon special on talos is funny
tender latch
What aspects do you guys think benefit slightly from a hammer start over their starting boon?
Depending on how it goes eris could be one, Beo definitely seems like one, etc
rose nexus
Benefits by having the hammer early? Or by knowing if you’re going to get the hammer at all
tight basin
Fists?
strange lark
nah not really
grizzled estuary
Poseidon special on talos is funny
WAIT HOW WOULD THAT EVEN WORK LMAO
tight basin
Ping pong
grizzled estuary
That sounds hilarious
tight basin
It's also wildly impractical lol
grizzled estuary
Lmao yeah i bet
tight basin
The best way to use the Talos gimmick is to dash right after you special to cancel it but still pull them
grizzled estuary
Ooooh smart
If you get a room where you need to pick between zeus and ares which gods wrath is more hellish to deal with
tight basin
Getting certain boons to unlock duos or just good supporting boons are worth getting
And not everything is about time
You can also still get legendaries and splitting bolt is a top legendary
I don't think they're speedrunning rn
And heat you can still get away with some trials
It's not impossible to end a run with like 2 minutes left, so you can easily take a trial with that time
trials are pretty worth if you know you can afford the time loss, as long as you know you can handle the various god calls
they happen
it's probably because aspho is literally like 4 chambers lmao
start 17, end 22, midshop is nearly always guaranteed and miniboss is an "encounter"
no
yeah
idk about fountains tho
i dont think so
yeah
if you miss it you miss it
modded moment
imagine unmodded
grizzled estuary
Oh you cant get duos from it? Oh then forget it lmaooo
tight basin
legendaries tho
and like, actual normal boons can be good lmao
snurst, jolted, breaking wave, etc
tight basin
I mean if you get a good chaos boon out of it it'll save you more time than you lose
Probably
tender latch
I mean if you get a good chaos boon out of it it'll save you more time than you ...
It was caustic assault, so not really a meaningful difference since eris + tdash obliterates styx anyway
thorn tendon
beating hades with an active light of ixiom is swag
tight basin
Oh you're playing eris
Yeah not great lol
Only worth thing is special damage
Just get enshrouded at the start of Ely and get every free room anyways
tender latch
beating hades with an active light of ixiom is swag
C34 is the last combat room in elysium, so it spawned one there
tender latch
Just get enshrouded at the start of Ely and get every free room anyways
Mfw 3 fountains + story rooms 💪
- survival + than
plain river
If you get a late ixion you might be able to bring it to styx
I don’t think you can buy them in styx though
tight basin
I ended with it before lmao it's def possible to bring it to styx
plain river
Imagine buying fateful twist only to get like 12 darkness after buying it lmfao
plain river
Baby steps towards speedrunning now, am actively thinking about free rooms
tight basin
imagine not always taking free rooms anyways
plain river
Sometimes I don’t but most times I do grab them
hushed hawk
What r some good keep sakes and boons that go with the spear ?
plain river
Posiedon keepsake (for splash dash and not much else)
plain river
What r some good keep sakes and boons that go with the spear ?
Which aspect of spear are you using? Or have you not unlocked aspects yet?
hushed hawk
I am Abt to ask what are aspects ,so no i haven't unlocked them 💀
hushed hawk
Posiedon keepsake (for splash dash and not much else)
Okk
plain river
Look for the flurry jab hammer, use poseidon trinket to start with because tidal dash is good damage, put either zeus or artemis on attack
hushed hawk
I usually put Ares or zeus in Dash ,mainly i like zeus dash ,or Athena of I get it , haven't tried Poseidon for dash yet
And also ,which boon is good for cast ?
plain river
It really depends on the weapon for them to shine tbh
otherwise if the aspect doesn’t directly do anything for casts it’s only use is kinda just unlocking duos you want
amber bobcat
Gimme one gd zag shield build
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus'Aid, Smoldering Air.
thorn crescent
And also ,which boon is good for cast ?
personally, i like using blade rift, athena's cast, or artemis
timber hedge
hello
timber hedge
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus'Aid, Smoldering Air.
hey i checked out ur guide on the weapons do u think heartbreaker srtike is better for bow or is deadly strike
btw if i wanna play sword with the posiden dash + damage boost boon builds which aspect should i use
hushed hawk
personally, i like using blade rift, athena's cast, or artemis
Hmm
thorn crescent
yeah but blade rift is funny damage
timber hedge
btw if i wanna play sword with the posiden dash + damage boost boon builds which aspect should i use
kk
swords do be feeling smooth
thorn crescent
btw if i wanna play sword with the posiden dash + damage boost boon builds which...
arthur 😈
timber hedge
idk then poseidon
can i unlock it with 1?
thorn crescent
can i unlock it with 1?
you need 2
timber hedge
you need 2
ahhh fck
thorn crescent
how far are you into the game
timber hedge
how far are you into the game
pretty new
passed asphodel
on sword should i prioritise buffing attack or my special
thorn crescent
if you can beat the boss in elysium, you can exchange the bounty for a titan blood
timber hedge
i do somehow
thorn crescent
its probably more important to get aspects than use the ambrosia to build a bond
timber hedge
on sword should i prioritise buffing attack or my special
could someone help me with this
thorn crescent
could someone help me with this
depends on how its being buffed
timber hedge
if i were to choose between a epic heartbreak florish and a rare hearbreak strike what should i pick
aight
hushed hawk
could someone help me with this
Attack ig
hushed hawk
Idk for sure I'm pretty new too
timber hedge
Idk for sure I'm pretty new too
lmao
thorn crescent
im pretty sure i count as new still, i only just got the credits yesterday
thorn crescent
ive only done up to em3
hushed hawk
Ok just want to ask someone ,for spear i should focus in buffing my special right ?
hushed hawk
Also what does titan blood do ?
thorn crescent
Also what does titan blood do ?
its needed to unlock aspects
and other kinda useless stuff
hushed hawk
Ohkk ,and at what point in the story do u unlock it ?
thorn crescent
fr
thorn crescent
Ohkk ,and at what point in the story do u unlock it ?
you get titan blood from beating the final boss or the fury sisters
yeah that too
i made the mistake of having heightened security with guan yu
hushed hawk
you get titan blood from beating the final boss or the fury sisters
Meg right ?
I have 2 titan blood
Ohkk
thorn crescent
Meg right ?
I have 2 titan blood
theres more fury sisters than meg
thorn crescent
both of them are pretty easy tho
screw coronacht tho
@timber hedge personally, i prefer crit builds
i hate coronacht
timber hedge
oh hmmm thats how u get it
thorn crescent
stupid useless special move that only works if youre right in front of an enemy
literally the only time i found it useful
when i had hangover on it
plain river
i hate coronacht
Smh
thorn crescent
at least i somewhat enjoyed my previous run with exagryph
but coronacht just removes all enjoyment from me when i use it
plain river
Idk if I just play bow wrong but I never special on it
it’s just dstrike
Dstrike
Dstrike
thorn crescent
Idk if I just play bow wrong but I never special on it
the build i had pretty much made it important to use
plain river
well
plain river
Charged volley makes it usable
For non-chiron bows
But charged volley would rather have a % based special
Instead of dio
plain river
the build i had pretty much made it important to use
You should try an attack based coronacht run instead then
If you didn’t like a special focused one
Pos special relentless volley rama = kind of a super soaker 😳
thorn crescent
out of all the hidden aspects ive gotten, i like using arthur and gilgamesh the most
plain river
Lmfao
thorn crescent
i got all the hidden aspects but lucifer and rama
tryna get lucifer rn
i dont like not being able to shoot my cast
does it stay inside of enemies
lucid oar
No
thorn crescent
thats why i dont like beo
i prefer zeus
dragon rush is really annoying for me to aim
lucid oar
Casts don’t lodge -> you can pick casts up quicker -> shoot them again -> more DPS
thorn crescent
kinda annoying when drift exists
lucid oar
Drift is annoying yeah
There’s a setting ingame which helps drift actually
Forgot what it’s called
tender latch
Idk if I just play bow wrong but I never special on it
Rama 🗿
tender latch
Casts don’t lodge -> you can pick casts up quicker -> shoot them again -> more D...
I'm pretty sure flares do more damage than regular casts, too
cunning urchin
hey i checked out ur guide on the weapons do u think heartbreaker srtike is bett...
I'd say Heartbreak Strike start is more consistent DPS and inflicts Weak. They're both very good, though.
For newer players, 10/10 times I would recommend Heartbreak Strike start just simply because Weak helps so much and you can easily get Smoldering Air.
Benefit of Deadly Strike start is you can take Hunter Dash if she doesn't offer attack, or take whichever has higher rarity, and can usually get both easily enough in your run.
spark kite
I keep having issues with the traps in that one Elysium room with the two bridges, especially when I'm trying to go fast. I can't tell where the trigger zone for them is.
I'd post a screenshot but I can't post images in this room apparently.
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/C_Combat06-1024x576.png It's this room layout (ignore the red circle)
Does anyone have any tips on how to go fast in that room, how to avoid the traps, and also how to find all enemies quickly without walking in circles three times?
lucid oar
Does anyone have any tips on how to go fast in that room, how to avoid the traps...
Might wanna check out this guide then https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6NaU9v1-raeibkl4jBOxsYyBGfwq6w9g-HvOkzEXFM9RaxKP9TSE1ZioMmR4p-taL-sQjFbcqOe2A/pub
spark kite
Oh lol yeah it's literally where the image is from '^^
I just picked the first image result that popped up when I searched for "elysium rooms". '^^
plain river
Rama 🗿
Tbf I hadn’t thought about rama
No?
Beo does not give the additive to casts
Beo gives the additive to the bullrush
Yes
beowulf gives additive damage and size to your bullrush when your cast is loaded
Yes
No it doesn’t
it literally doesn’t
does not
You thought wrong
Go apologise
/j
But yeah the beo additive goes to the bullrush
as does the size increase
Perhaps you just mixed up mirage shot being bugged to 100% of the damage on beo with beo cast load additive
thorn crescent
still dont like beo
lucid oar
thorn crescent
i rely quite a lot on shooting bloodstones too
so having it replaced with loading it
plain river
boiling blood or abyssal blood shouldn’t be the core of your build
thorn crescent
boiling blood or abyssal blood shouldn’t be the core of your build <:bouldy:5233...
i dont use it for boiling blood
i use it with boons like blade rift
plain river
i dont use it for boiling blood
Well then you shouldn’t have an issue the casts shoot out when you bull rush
well not shoot out more like pulse
slicing shot doesn’t lodge either
thorn crescent
i dont even really think ahead of time for the build i do
i just kinda go with what i feel like fits the most
thorn crescent
honestly the real reason i dont like beo is the dragon rush
i just honestly suck a lot at timing it right so i can actually land the cast pulses
thorn crescent
ive honestly outgrown using aegis altogether
plain river
It’ll work exactly the same as charged shot does on other shield aspects
It’ll charge faster and it’ll do more damage no matter how much you charge it
lucid oar
nobody outgrows aegis
thorn crescent
i like using malphon more than anything
plain river
“Outgrown”?
thorn crescent
like ive gotten bored of it
plain river
that makes a little more sense
Continual use of the same thing over and over will do that
thorn crescent
i got the hidden aspect cuz i expected it to be more enjoyable to me
plain river
It probably hasn’t been enjoyable because you haven’t known what you were doing… in my opinion from speculation idk how much you know about using beo
lucid oar
I hated beo the first few times I used it
plain river
Removing health bars with it is the fun part for me
thorn crescent
i found arthur and gilgamesh more useful for that
i honestly just all around like arthur
plain river
Beowulf can literally take a boss health bar from full to break point in a second
thorn crescent
that hallowed ground thing really helps in temple of styx
cuz i randomly get sniped out of nowhere by a cultist
plain river
satyr
plain river
Oh wait the satyrs are cultists
thorn crescent
y e a h
thorn crescent
gilga is also pretty fun for me
but i still prefer talos
one time i got a poseidon special boon
plain river
How do you build gilga and talos?
plain river
one time i got a poseidon special boon
Ping pong
thorn crescent
How do you build gilga and talos?
yes
thorn crescent
i also got that hammer upgrade that makes the shockwave from uppercut
plain river
When you play them
you personally
Not asking for advice
I worded my prior message badly
thorn crescent
i try and get the hammer upgrade that makes the dash attack do 900% damage to shields
and get artemis attack
plain river
Breaching cross good
Arte strike not good on fists
plain river
Zeus dionysus or ares
thorn crescent
i try and stay away from zeus attack
plain river
i try and stay away from zeus attack
Why?
thorn crescent
i find the 10 damage chain lightning pretty bad
thorn crescent
does that mean that the lightning stacks per hit
plain river
Chain lightning will shoot per hit yes
plain river
Merciful end is a overused good build on fists
Ares strike athena special athena dash
Try to get merciful end duo
plain river
Merciful end is a ~~overused~~ good build on fists
Ares strike athena special at...
impending doom as well
thorn crescent
it was like 151 by the end of that run
athena dash
athena special
the blade rift cast
pretty much most of my run was just athena and ares
plain river
Did you find the merciful end duo?
thorn crescent
no
amber bobcat
Any tips on getting Titan blood faster
plain river
thorn crescent
ive only gotten like 2 duo boons total
plain river
Any tips on getting Titan blood faster
Trading, getting bounties
thorn crescent
the auto god gauge one
and some duo one with demeter
i cant even remember what it did
plain river
the auto god gauge one
Smair is gaming
thorn crescent
but i think it was with zeus
plain river
Smair is gaming
smouldering air
plain river
but i think it was with zeus
Cold fusion is not really note worth I think
Unless you have forced overtime 2 on
thorn crescent
question
would you reccomend the aphrodite legendary boon
for a fast attack weapon
the one that can charm when you inflict weak
thorn crescent
no im asking cuz that was my exa build
i had aphro attack + the 3 burst hammer upgrade
artemis special + triple bombard
thorn crescent
clockets?
plain river
you wouldn’t be using your attack for your damage then would have to have some other source so either special or like you already have aphrodite on attack so zeus call look for smoulder air
lucid oar
Aphro attack on rail?
plain river
Aphro attack on rail?
Yeah
thorn crescent
you wouldn’t be using your attack for your damage then would have to have some o...
but i was using the attack for damage
plain river
wouldn’t recommend it in the least
thorn crescent
cuz i was using eris that run
lucid oar
If you want, try Zeus on attack
plain river
Eris works even better for using other sources for damage
lucid oar
It’s way more damage
plain river
If you want, try Zeus on attack
Thats what I said
thorn crescent
🗿
plain river
Wait
I lied when I said I had already said that
I said use lightning strike on fast attack speed weapons but I didn’t say use it over aphro wtf I should’ve said that
thorn crescent
is there some kind of system of rarity for different gods
like is a certain god showing up more common than another
tight basin
not really, it's just gonna be random gods until you have 4 different gods in your pool
not including hermes btw
thorn crescent
because zeus is pretty uncommon for me to come across
tight basin
just unlucky i suppose
sometimes you never see the god you want, other times you keep seeing the same support god you never want to see over and over again
bitter dove
pov: u want ares athena duo for fist and u don't see any athena of the game...
tight basin
it do be like that
bitter dove
yh.... T_T
acoustic vale
POV you don't want ares Athena duo and the game won't stop shoving ares at you every door
tender latch
sometimes you never see the god you want, other times you keep seeing the same s...
And sometimes you turn down a god 3 times in tart only for them to force themselves into your pool anyway :)
plain river
When you have a 4 god pool but hermes forces his way into your pool anyways /s
tender latch
Merciful end honestly isn't so horrible because of getting the duo
tender latch
It's because you want impending on top of that + 43 poms + rd/reflex
plain river
Dio instead is more gaming
tender latch
If you could have a full power doom that didn't require 90 support boons and poms just off merciful end you'd be fine
Dio is wack
I only use him as a support god
Or if he offers call
tender latch
It's neat but what reason is there to do it at low heat
tender latch
tbf many things can melt at low heat
plain river
I got a pb because I hit everything
tender latch
You can get a pb with like any build for a while lol
tender latch
Like if you're just casually zooming you can get to sub 10 with a lot
plain river
my pb is 10:33 still not at sub10 yet
tender latch
I have a sub 10 on like my third time trying Hestia
Are you actually doing any speedrunning strats lmao
plain river
I need to watch more speedruns
I’m really just taking free rooms 95% of the time I see them and trying to end rooms closer to the exits
plain river
I need to watch more speedruns
Don’t know all the strats
Plus my actual playing skills need to get better
tender latch
Most of it is just spawn manips + trying to kill stuff as it comes in
plain river
I can
cunning urchin
Congratulations! 
soft kiln
delta chamber + passion dash + unhealthy fixation = basically invincible lol
spark kite
How does Lucifer interact with Zeus attack?
nvm I'm finding out at this very moment
And it seems pretty strong
plain river
And it seems pretty strong
Yes
timber hedge
with 2 titans blood which sword aspect should i unlock for the posiden dash build
some ppl told me to get nemesis some told me to get posiden
idk what to use
amber bobcat
some ppl told me to get nemesis some told me to get posiden
I unlocked nemesis at first
tender latch
And it seems pretty strong
Yeah, basically every rail can use zeus attack well. Even hestia can, it's just that you're playing budget zag rail if you don't use hestia's actual mechanics
amber bobcat
Hey xiao can u pls head over to discussion and help me with my build
tender latch
idk what to use
Poseidon is easy since you just throw your casts out and grab them back with special, but nemesis is overall better. It's more reliant on actually knowing how to play sword though
I mean this is the build channel
Just ask here
amber bobcat
Uh alr so see
I've Luci rn
I have triple beam
I wanted to know what else do i keep an eye out for
tender latch
For fun or for clearing
timber hedge
Poseidon is easy since you just throw your casts out and grab them back with spe...
Ive gotten the furthest ive ever gotten today with nem
tender latch
Yeah nem is goated
amber bobcat
For fun ig?
tender latch
One of my favorite aspects
amber bobcat
Tg
tender latch
Mods
timber hedge
Gg got hacked for being horny
tender latch
Wow that was fast
amber bobcat
Damn
tender latch
Anyway
amber bobcat
Yeah
timber hedge
So hard to be the minotaur
tender latch
Lucifer is fun playing normally but the most fun I've had with it is super soaker
Eternal chamber so you never reload + poseidon attack
amber bobcat
Exactly what I'm going with rn lmfaoo
tender latch
Based
tender latch
Yeah doesn't matter much
tender latch
It helps a lot
amber bobcat
Okay
tender latch
If you can't get her on your special, just use any high %
amber bobcat
Also what the best cast in the game
tender latch
Anyone above 60-70 is fine
There is no best cast
Only best casts for certain weapons
tender latch
All of the big 3 castspects use different casts
amber bobcat
I see
tender latch
And you have to get a whole build around them ideally
amber bobcat
Okay
tender latch
You can use other ones, but generally these are considered the best for each
Hera: Aphro cast, but get demeter for ravenous will and snow burst
Achilles: Ares cast with the Artemis duo hunting blades
Beowulf: Poseidon cast with Artemis duo mirage shot
amber bobcat
Okay i needed it for Hera ty
tender latch
Hera is the most flexible since you can just spam poms and you're basically fine with just aphro + dem
amber bobcat
Okay
tender latch
Well
The most easily flexible
Beowulf can run other casts but it messes up your chances of getting mirage shot or if you're using dionysus cast needs to switch mirror from infernal to stygian
Actually, hera is in a way less flexible because you don't really want any other cast besides aphro
thorn crescent
im running lucifer with tempest strike and heartbreak flourish
tender latch
But since it's so easy to just get 2 gods, in practice you'll have an easier time with hera builds
tender latch
Gross
tight basin
You're better off finding any other % based atk tbh just pick the first one you find that isn't tempest
Tdash is a prerequisite to isn't it
Yeah
spark kite
Does the bonus crit chance from Splitting Headache apply to all damage, including the Hangover-damage itself?
And for that matter, is Hangover-damage effected by PP and Hunter's Mark?
proven osprey
yes and yes
spark kite
thx
muted sun
Hera: Aphro cast, but get demeter for ravenous will and snow burst
Achilles: Ar...
Can't achilles also play phalanx shot with lightning strike to build lightning phalanx?
muted sun
Yea
tight basin
And has the added bonus of not flying off to infinity and beyond
split oak
For sure, and on top of the cast damage the hunting blades + flurry jab build lets you do Artemis attack + Hunter's Mark, which is of course 🔥
tight basin
Wait does the lightning from lightning rod get the Achilles boost
Doubt it but just wondering
split oak
I don't think so either but would be cool.
muted sun
But that lightning isn't part of the cast afaik
tight basin
That would make sense
muted sun
If you want bonus damage on that lightning play eris 
muted sun
What casts does it like usually? Im thinkin prolly like zeus or poseidon, or maybe athena
tight basin
For eris?
muted sun
Ye
tight basin
Eris generally doesn't care about the cast lol
muted sun
Yea ik but still
tight basin
Probably flood shot so it opens up sea storm for your tidal dash I guess
muted sun
What are the prerequisites for sea storm?
tight basin
Any of the cores except for tdash I believe
tight basin
So true
split oak
Athena cast is good on it too for LP but as people have said it's really not that important.
muted sun
Oh yeah since Im here, I was thinking of learning Guan Yu. What build does that usually play?
Merciful end is the main one I've heard
split oak
Merciful end is the main one I've heard
Yeah ME is strong for it with Athena on special.
muted sun
Athena on special and not dash?
split oak
Probably start with Athena to get that first then go for Ares, unlike with Demeter Fists
Well dash eventually but the prerequisites changed a long time ago to require athena special and ares attack to get it (ideally.)
Just checked SRC and the top Guan Yu speedrun is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OKAlwU8mtg
tight basin
If you don't want to do ME you could use Aphrodite special and spam it and pray you get charged skewer
Aphrodite or arty anyways
muted sun
I don't like relying on hammers :/
split oak
I think Charged Skewer is like the pretty much required hammer for it to be good or at least fast too yeah
tight basin
Ngl all the spears are pretty hammer reliant lol
split oak
Yeah definitely
muted sun
(I say, being an achilles spear player)
tight basin
Lmao it do be like that
split oak
(I say, being an achilles spear player)
Unmodded Flurry Jab resets, RIP
tight basin
I guess technically Achilles doesn't need flurry if you're just only using the cast but your dps sucks before you get the duos
Dyno moment
split oak
Dyno moment
That's on me, didn't realize I'd cursed somewhere.
split oak
Regardless, yeah, used to be that you pommed Zeus cast up to clear Tartarus faster, and of course Athena cast with LP and Hunting Blades especially are now very strong, but the damage falls off so hard much later.
(On Achilles, I mean)
But that was ages ago.
lucid oar
Yonks ago
tight basin
I wish hestia removed delta chamber tbh
Full iframes during dstrikes are nice lol
muted sun
Wait what
tight basin
Bug moment
muted sun
Neat
split oak
Snow Burst on Hera tho 🔥
muted sun
TRUE
Hera is such a fun weapon but Im really rusty with it. Spent too long grinding hestia 
split oak
Hera with Aprodite cast and/or Mirage Shot + Snow Burst is 👌
muted sun
It payed off since hestia got my first and only sub 10 but still
split oak
It payed off since hestia got my first and only sub 10 but still
Congrats!
muted sun
Hera with Aprodite cast and/or Mirage Shot + Snow Burst is 👌
Hear me out
Hera trippy shot with scintiliating feast
rose nexus
Delta chamber bug
split oak
Hear me out
Hera trippy shot with scintiliating feast
Have you tried Trippy Shot on Beowulf with Stygian Soul?
rose nexus
I have and it went poorly
lucid oar
Aspect of Rama with lightning strike and repulse shot 
👌🤌💪
muted sun
Nah. Im so bad at beowulf 
split oak
You have to roll hard for an extra cast from Chaos, but if you get that, Mirage Shot, and Zeus Dash + Scintillating it's absolutely absurd.
Really just extra cast + Mirage Shot, and Charged Shot is just another level. Highest DPS in the game.
muted sun
Beo feels super clunky without charge shot
rose nexus
Just get the hammers
split oak
Yeah definitely.
lucid oar
Beo without charged shot is like bread without slices
split oak
It takes a lot of getting used to to not preload your casts before bull rush, or it did for me anyway.
Because with charged shot it's obviously the reverse
rose nexus
Beo without charged shot is like bread without slices
Still good, just not user friendly?
muted sun
Why is your bread crunchy
lucid oar
Time to speedrun chaos shield 
rose nexus
absolutely chaos
muted sun
Chaos looks giga boring tbh
lucid oar
And set it to extra slow
rose nexus
Does explosive return explode multiple times for chaos?
lucid oar
No
rose nexus
L
muted sun
Thats lame
split oak
I think it might have many many patches ago, but regardless Chaos got nerfs at some point in EA and was quite good before then.
(Many, many patches ago lol.)
tight basin
And now chaos is pretty bad lmao
split oak
And now chaos is pretty bad lmao
Exactly lol. It never recovered.
Let's not even get into the dad call nerfs after 1.0, which were 100 percent justified and necessary lol. Matter of fact all the tuning SGG did was very thoughtful and good.
rose nexus
I been wondering that
split oak
Sorry, smair?
muted sun
Smoldering air
rose nexus
Aphro Zeus duo
tight basin
Let's not even get into the dad call nerfs after 1.0, which were 100 percent jus...
What'd it do before?
split oak
It won't work.
muted sun
Yeah it charges in 50% increments so I figured not
split oak
If you do that it won't function anymore.
muted sun
Smair won't I assume
split oak
Yeah Smair won't apply.
rose nexus
If call won’t function then technically neither would lol
split oak
What'd it do before?
So dad call used to be in four bars rather than two, you could go into a Styx room and have it guaranteed each time with Proud Bearing, and it also manipulated enemy behavior in weird ways.
It was absurd lol.
rose nexus
muted sun
I've never tried dad call tbh. I usually just grab zeus and call it a day
split oak
There were also some properties changes in terms of how long the damage boost applies I believe, someone else surely remembers it exactly but Sigil has double damage properties for 2 seconds or just one attack.
Dad call is awesome.
rose nexus
By the time I think about using sigil I already have a call
tight basin
I think it's 1.5 sec now? For half call
split oak
Dad call is best to take when you're full build.
tight basin
Full call is 5 sec tho so maybe it's 2 idk
split oak
I think it's 1.5 sec now? For half call
Yeah something like that, the overall thing though was/is that the tooltip doesn't describe exactly what it does.
muted sun
Does the dad call damage multiplier stack with hyper delivery
split oak
Yeah
muted sun
Thats GROSS
tight basin
It does but you don't move faster I think lol
split oak
It does but you don't move faster I think lol
I thought you still do?
tight basin
Or rather you don't get the speed boost from hyper sprint
split oak
This is also why Athena was good to have as fourth on Eris on top of the Zeus / Artemis / Poseidon thing - you combined with Proud Bearing.
tight basin
There's something wrong with those two together tho I know that much
split oak
Anyway, I always go dad call last unless there's braids and stones and so on in which case it's hourglass.
Depends on what you take into Elysium.
tight basin
Take hourglass into Ely so you can buy both shops
rose nexus
@languid hornet hunting blades Achilles
muted sun
This is also why Athena was good to have as fourth on Eris on top of the Zeus / ...
Athena as 4th on top of zeus athena and poseidon?
split oak
Athena as 4th on top of zeus athena and poseidon?
Yeah because of Proud Bearing.
muted sun
A 4th
You said athena twice
rose nexus
Just get Athena to take up two slots in your god pool
tender latch
@languid hornet Start poseidon dash, get flurry jab, then hope for either artemis or zeus. If zeus, stack a ton of his boons, if artemis, get ares cast and target hunting blades duo
tender latch
Or if you're an absolute rng menace
rose nexus
Clarity Achilles > HB Achilles
tender latch
Combine both with zeus attack artemis special ares cast poseidon dash + hunting blades + jolted
split oak
Combine both with zeus attack artemis special ares cast poseidon dash + hunting ...
This would be brain breaking
split oak
Lol you didn't
tender latch
Artemis attack + zeus special
split oak
185In is soooo good
tender latch
muted sun
I keep forgetting
tender latch
lol
muted sun
Anyway that looks absurd
split oak
Anyway that looks absurd
185In is absurd in general with Achilles lol
rose nexus
TIL in Japanese it’s called rapid jab
split oak
Pretty accurate tbh.
muted sun
Who has the achilles WR unmodded?
split oak
Who has the achilles WR unmodded?
185In lol
split oak
Is croven still WR unmodded or has he been topped?
yeah he's still top
languid hornet
<@371216178103713793> Start poseidon dash, get flurry jab, then hope for either ...
Alright, ty
tender latch
The knowledge of hades speedrunning contrasts strongly with the "new to server" icon lmao
split oak
The knowledge of hades speedrunning contrasts strongly with the "new to server" ...
I just looked back at the 1.0 boards and it's amazing how much its developed since those runs, which were incredible (and still are, for sure)
tender latch
yep
twin cloak
Nice useless col
tender latch
Common doom no impending hurts my soul
twin cloak
Lvl3 doom when it's only the same dmg as lvl1 epic doom
rose nexus
Sold longing and was offered it again at tunnels ares👎
rose nexus
Me when I missed the banned poster
lucid oar
https://imgur.com/JrMZgIJ damidge
rose nexus
Based
tight basin
instaphase moment
spark kite
Seeing the Beowulf I have to ask: Am I the only one who uses the mouse wheel to cast on Hera and Beo? I've never seen anyone mention it, but then again I think most ppl are playing with controller anyway?
tight basin
what's your special bound to?
i also use kbm but since i have 2 extra side buttons it's never an issue for me
but ik others dont have that
tender latch
I use shift to cast
spark kite
I have special on right click, but I put my ring finger on right click for these weapons.
tender latch
Yeah, I don't get having special on q or whatever it is
spark kite
I use thumb button for cast on all other weapons.
tight basin
huh i use the side button with my thumb to cast lmao
spark kite
Yeah I do that for anything that isn't Hera or Beo.
tight basin
I have special on right click, but I put my ring finger on right click for these...
to be fair, the special isn't useful on beo or hera
spark kite
Tru
tight basin
Yeah I do that for anything that isn't Hera or Beo.
i do it for every weapon that isn't rail, i change that to reload lmao
i mean whatever works best for you really
spark kite
omg I never thought about remapping reload! I should try that!
tight basin
lmao yeah remapping reload is a huge game changer, esp for hestia
tight basin
I just set reload to r
i paid for extra buttons and i'm gonna use those extra buttons
tender latch
Based
spark kite
"Warcraft but it's Hades"
neon bramble
I can't play this game with kbm, lol. I tried.
It's so similar to a twin stick shooter in the way the controls respond, gamepad feels right.
To each their own
plain river
That sounds so cursed
twin cloak
i paid for extra buttons and i'm gonna use those extra buttons
sorry those extra buttons are reserved
for cast and call
leaden glen
It’s kind of funny that my first 32 heat run today featured my most barebones build
Cluster rockets just carried me to the end
rose nexus
They do that
leaden glen
And I wasn’t even damaged once against hades
leaden glen
They do that
Yeah, all the other attempts had cluster but no rockets and that led to me dying in Elysium or even asphodel
Once I got rocket tho it was a breeze
rose nexus
What aspect is the easiest boonless run?
leaden glen
Oh I’ve never tried that
I’m not that daring
I would assume chaos shield or Arthur
leaden glen
Miku
leaden glen
Specifically a meme of miku being impressed by a pipe bomb
rose nexus
Who wouldn’t be
leaden glen
Agreed
tight basin
What aspect is the easiest boonless run?
hesty
rose nexus
Just snipe everything and be safe as hell?
tight basin
pretty much yeah