h1-builds-and-combat

[tight basin]

lvl 5 is 150

[lucid oar]

I reset for 0.83

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1018600188337733642/unknown.png

:(

[tight basin]

like a worse controller

[strange lark]

ask croven

[twin cloak]

dash at cursor strats

[random relic]

https://streamable.com/30c37x @ashen obsidian this is what it does

embed wtf

[tight basin]

just because it worked doesn't mean it doesn't suck lmao

[strange lark]

good boon pickup is like 1.05

[tight basin]

32 min gaming

[ashen obsidian]

It just sucks rn because I like the idea of the rail besy

[lucid oar]

Damn

[random relic]

[lucid oar]

1.05 and I’m resetting if I get common flare ngl

[tight basin]

lmfao

[lucid oar]

Honestly if I get common flare and 4 numbskulls I reset

But I don’t with epic flare

[ashen obsidian]

But I'm just not goof with the effin thing

[random relic]

https://streamable.com/30c37x ok embed

[tender latch]

Just run hera so all you need is poms

[random relic]

there we go

[lucid oar]

Should I change my reset criteria

[ashen obsidian]

Like god

[random relic]

it makes a crazy difference

[ashen obsidian]

I actually ran oit of time heat level 3 with eris

[strange lark]

aim better

[twin cloak]

attack at cursor rail genuinely unusable

[ashen obsidian]

In Tartarus lmao

[random relic]

so true

[twin cloak]

if you dont have all the pieces of your build by tart endshop reset

[strange lark]

thats only because i got a 5 sack if i didnt then that wouldve sub6d

[twin cloak]

if you miss a fountain at all reset

[random relic]

yeah tiny vermin hard

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[ashen obsidian]

Ngl I kinda dislike the pact of punishment

As a mechanic

[strange lark]

SAME

[ashen obsidian]

Like here

"Pick something unfun"

[lucid oar]

Bruh it’s optional 💀

[ashen obsidian]

Ok.

[twin cloak]

you dont have to use it

[ashen obsidian]

Not really lmao

You can't upgrade withoit ot

[twin cloak]

you can get bounty rewards without it

[ashen obsidian]

??????

[twin cloak]

wretched broker lol

[lucid oar]

Just farm darkness

[ashen obsidian]

Oh so at an insanelt slow pace

[twin cloak]

i mean

you make the game harder to make it faster

i dont see the problem

[random relic]

not wanting to use the pact is fine but pacts like em/bp/mm do spice up the game

and arent just number increase

[strange lark]

idk man just install a cheat engine to get free resources

[ashen obsidian]

What are those

[dreamy prism]

speedrun modpack?

[ashen obsidian]

Hmm I'll just

[random relic]

extreme measures, benefits package, middle management

[lucid oar]

Tight deadline

[random relic]

guide for pact abbreviations is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[dreamy prism]

tiny dermin

[ashen obsidian]

What do those last two do

[lucid oar]

Tight deadline means you have to clear under a certain time

[random relic]

give armored enemies special perks and change minibosses

[errant narwhal]

Most pacts are ok IMO it’s some specific combinations where it’s unfun and also extremely high heats, which most players don’t do

[lucid oar]

But the first level is really lenient

[dreamy prism]

they make the game bad

[lucid oar]

You get 36 minutes total

[ashen obsidian]

I know tight deadline

[twin cloak]

bloody puddles and monkey meadow

[ashen obsidian]

I've onlt done tight and

Hightened security

[strange lark]

nice

[lucid oar]

Bloonarius prime

[ashen obsidian]

I've done a few tight deadline lvl 2

[twin cloak]

the only arguably terrible pact is approval process imo

[ashen obsidian]

But on some weapoms I simply can't go fast enough

[dreamy prism]

RI:

[strange lark]

ri

[random relic]

yeah you dont have to do slog heats like js/cp until really high if you dont want to

[twin cloak]

RI is based

[ashen obsidian]

Like with the rail

[strange lark]

why do you even care

[lucid oar]

Put Zeus on the attack then

[strange lark]

you get ap0 builds at ap2

[ashen obsidian]

I have zeus on the rail
It still jjst seems slow

Lol

[tight basin]

Oh fair enough carry on

[twin cloak]

u get mirror upgrades to make the game easier and the game makes it harder again by taking it away

[strange lark]

its not

[twin cloak]

i think it's perfectly fine design

[lucid oar]

Jolted and tidal dash are good for scaling

[ashen obsidian]

There's no way i'll go tpp high in heat

I'll have to be done with the game by then

[tight basin]

Well that's the best option for nonhesty rails lmao

[lucid oar]

I thought so too

2 years later…

[strange lark]

what the hell is tpp high in heat

[tender latch]

Remove ap

[ashen obsidian]

I know it is bananna

Too

[tight basin]

Toilet paper poop

[tender latch]

Suddenly max heat is possible unrouted

[ashen obsidian]

But I just like really don't get the rail

[twin cloak]

no it's the best option for every rail

[strange lark]

Yucky!!!!!!!

[twin cloak]

lightning strike hestia is its best build

[ashen obsidian]

Maybe with auto aim

[lucid oar]

Ares attack hestia

[tight basin]

Fair enough carry on

[ashen obsidian]

It'll somehow fix it

But i just don't see how

[twin cloak]

the projectile size of rail is absolutely tiny

youre probably missing a lot

[strange lark]

@ashen obsidian did you watch this clip lmao

[tender latch]

The doom isn't there to deal damage, it's to warn them that their end is near as another shot blasts their skull to bits

[ashen obsidian]

No i'm on my phone

[tender latch]

It's about sending a message

[ashen obsidian]

I'm not lol
Zag effin is

Boi can't aim

[strange lark]

well when you get home watch it

[lucid oar]

Zagskillissue

[strange lark]

its a big difference

[ashen obsidian]

Ok

[tight basin]

You're aimming him

[ashen obsidian]

Let me try rn

[tender latch]

Who needs to aim

Simply highroll into clockets

[tight basin]

My brother in Christ you are the aimer

[ashen obsidian]

Yea but we already went over the isometric thing effs up the alignment

And they're tiny

[plain river]

Bro playing hades on mobile 📈📈📈

[random relic]

wait wtf

[tender latch]

Literally who needs to aim

[random relic]

rama makes a really weird sound when you hold it for a long time

[ashen obsidian]

Like o stg

[tender latch]

Just carpet bomb dad fight

[strange lark]

yea

[ashen obsidian]

I've point righr at an enemy

And it just whizzs by them

[strange lark]

bullets are rng

[tender latch]

I suggest a rama buff

While charging it, it should play that sound godzilla makes during his beam's charge

Almost as powerful as a power rama shot

[cunning urchin]

@ashen obsidian can do the same build for the other rails except Hestia wants % on Attack instead like Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike. https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[tight basin]

Like a funky hollow sound right

[strange lark]

lili has very good guides

[random relic]

oh yeah also for eris tidal dash is uber important boon

[strange lark]

especially the rama bow guide

[random relic]

^^

the rama bow guide is insane

[strange lark]

no its not wmic got wr without it

[random relic]

highly recommend

[random relic]

[ashen obsidian]

What is rama

[tender latch]

Hot take they should've made spreadfire into a normal weapon

[lucid oar]

Doom attack hestia is good

Try it

[ashen obsidian]

Also wtf tbis game sucks

[lucid oar]

All you need is 9999% global damage

[ashen obsidian]

That auto aim stuff is

[random relic]

wmic also got a 2m styxdad in that run

[ashen obsidian]

Ridiculous

What flaged me

Whatever

[tender latch]

beauty

[random relic]

cant swear here

[strange lark]

thats pretty fast

[ashen obsidian]

I did earlier

[plain river]

Spreadfire

[random relic]

this is a christian hades server

[ashen obsidian]

Didn'r flag me

Weird

[random relic]

what word did you say

ass?

that ones allowed for some reason

[ashen obsidian]

Bullsh*t I think

[strange lark]

heck

[lucid oar]

Eris wr styxdad was 1:21

Pretty impressive ngl

[ashen obsidian]

Whatever

[random relic]

yeah if you censor it its going to do that lol

[strange lark]

the no dash one

[lucid oar]

frickle!

[ashen obsidian]

I didn't tho

[lucid oar]

Yeah

[ashen obsidian]

I don't think I did

[strange lark]

bruh what

[lucid oar]

You clearly did

Check this out

P**p

[ashen obsidian]

Earlier

I guess I just ass

Anyway

[random relic]

a quick use of the discord search says you didnt say it at all

[ashen obsidian]

Do yall use greater reflex or the other one

[random relic]

anyways this is tangential

[lucid oar]

Greater

[ashen obsidian]

I use the other one

[random relic]

greater reflex

[cunning urchin]

Just because the bot doesn't catch everything doesn't mean anything the bot doesn't catch goes.

[random relic]

its better unless youre using gilga

[ashen obsidian]

Makws me play better

[tight basin]

Ruthless reflex >>>>> greater reflex

[ashen obsidian]

Yea ruthless

[random relic]

[tight basin]

No mobility gaming

[lucid oar]

I use 0 dash

[cunning urchin]

Greater Reflex is way better than Ruthless Reflex. Although I think Ruthless can be fun.

[lucid oar]

I’m just different

[strange lark]

If I block the bot can it still delete messages

[lucid oar]

Lmao

[ashen obsidian]

Are all the green mirrors bad lol

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[random relic]

the iframes you get from greater reflex are super powerful

[random relic]

nah

[lucid oar]

Dark foresight is v good

[tight basin]

Some are better

[ashen obsidian]

Most seem bad

[strange lark]

Yeah like dark foresight

[random relic]

dark foresight, family favorite, and fated persuasion you always use

[strange lark]

Poopy

[tight basin]

Dark regen

[cunning urchin]

You can refer to this mirror guide by MiKe. #h1-for-new-players message

[ashen obsidian]

Family favorite over the curse thing

[random relic]

on most weapons you take fiery presence too

[ashen obsidian]

40% extra damage

[random relic]

yep

[ashen obsidian]

Why fiery lol

[lucid oar]

Damn Mike hasnt spoke in ages

[random relic]

more damage

[lucid oar]

Dude got wr then dipped

[ashen obsidian]

Damage in the back seems like

[strange lark]

I miss mike

[ashen obsidian]

Always betyer lol

[dreamy prism]

he left after being exposed for ce

[random relic]

on most things its harder to go for backstabs and not worth it since you want to kill things quickly

[ashen obsidian]

I don't get this game lol

Like at all

[dreamy prism]

same

[random relic]

the only thing top level players use shadow presence on is achilles

[lucid oar]

luci!

[strange lark]

Zag pear

[random relic]

but i think shadow is fine on most things at lower levels of play

[random relic]

[lucid oar]

Zag 🍐

[random relic]

luci doesnt use shadow

[lucid oar]

It does

[random relic]

no it doesnt

[lucid oar]

Check wr

[random relic]

it uses fiery

[dreamy prism]

ring of fiery

[lucid oar]

Jonald always used shadow

[strange lark]

I think it uses fiery

[tight basin]

Btd6 reference????

[strange lark]

Not like it did anything

[ashen obsidian]

Whatever lol
I don't know how people are supposed to figure this stuff oit and it is making me mad
Work time
Good bye

[dreamy prism]

rof?ban @tight basin referencing btd6

[random relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018611757478072380/unknown.png?width=1011&height=670

[lucid oar]

Wgattthelef

Wmic my dude

[random relic]

is it not literally better

[lucid oar]

When are you ever utilising fiery

No

Lucy ramps up

[cunning urchin]

Fiery being more common is mostly a result of speedrun meta tbh, but at high heats, you also have a timer, so it ends up being equally important. Fiery is generally better for clear speed while Shadow Presence is usually the better choice for boss fights in particular.

[lucid oar]

First shot sucks

[random relic]

when are you utilizing shadow???

[lucid oar]

Main attack ramps up decently with %

[strange lark]

When you wait for the special to drop after 2 seconds

[random relic]

!?!?!

you only fire like 10 ammo

then reload

it never has time to ramp

[lucid oar]

wjay

[strange lark]

That's what you do

[lucid oar]

BRB boutta break the unmodded 32 heat lucifer wr with shadow

[random relic]

occasionally getting the 75% from fiery is just better im pretty sure

[cunning urchin]

I mean you're new in a community that's been theorizing and experimenting and pushing for optimization for years, naturally you wouldn't be able to come to all the same conclusions.

[tender latch]

Hot take

[strange lark]

No don't do it

[tender latch]

Zag rail and spread fire should switch spots

[strange lark]

Not hot at all

[lucid oar]

Wow worse flurry fire

[tender latch]

Shotgun = zag rail, hammer = +6 ammo with some other buff so it's not worse delta

Make 2 of em

Flurry^2

Shotgun with 49 ammo

[strange lark]

Hot take rail is good

[random relic]

also yeah this

it involved a lot of testing stuff over long periods of time

[strange lark]

Nah I figured it out in like a day

[random relic]

beo wasnt even a meta speed aspect until like mid 2021

[lucid oar]

Dio beo

It was the best shield

[strange lark]

Still isnt

[cunning urchin]

I don't want a "your aspect becomes Zag Rail" hammer in my not-bad rail aspect runs.

[lucid oar]

I do

[strange lark]

Same

[cunning urchin]

Well.

You're wrong for that.

[random relic]

yeah but it wasnt anything compared to eris

i mean its sad but eris is the only good speed aspect

[lucid oar]

Real

[random relic]

theres nothing better

[strange lark]

True

[lucid oar]

Dem fists

[strange lark]

Eris is the only aspect

[random relic]

true thats like second place atm

but like 9/10 fastest runs ever were done with eris

and for good reason

[strange lark]

Somebody look at the early access src leaderboard

See how many eris runs there were

[lucid oar]

8/10 of top 10

Pretty sure

Also guys did you know that slash commands bypass slowmode

[random relic]

cant find early access but heres 1.37

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018613670311362621/unknown.png?width=709&height=669

[lucid oar]

Bruh I’d be top 2

[random relic]

damn

the community has really come so far

[lucid oar]

Pre1.3.7?

[random relic]

no

[lucid oar]

Where’s lili 5:56

[random relic]

1.370xx

[random relic]

idk

[lucid oar]

That’s a weird patch lol

[random relic]

its the furthest back it lets me go

its being annoying

ah here we go

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018614133186363413/unknown.png?width=741&height=670

heres 1.371xx

[strange lark]

Back when bigp only played eris

[lucid oar]

And Arthur

[twin cloak]

Break the lucifer heat wr

[lucid oar]

Ok

[twin cloak]

Ri2 60 heat

[lucid oar]

61 hwg

[random relic]

god src lbs suck sometimes

its nice the game hasnt updated in a while

so we can easily see everything from like a year ago onwards lol

[strange lark]

Still waiting for hades dlc to drop

[twin cloak]

I still can't get over how awful of a username 'BIGPthegoat' is

Its great

[random relic]

why is it bad

i think its good

[strange lark]

Bigp is an amazing name

[random relic]

theres so many jokes you can make with the name bigp

[ashen obsidian]

Man bad time to be in a sour mood

Is lucifier good

[random relic]

its pretty good if you get triple bomb

otherwise its just meh

[ashen obsidian]

It seemed
Underwhelming compared to Beowulf or Gilgamesh for hidden aspects

Bwttwr than Guan Yu at least

Wonder where that Bow and Sword are
Don't tell me

[cunning urchin]

Early Access leaderboards are under miscellaneous. https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat_Early_Access

[random relic]

oh thats weird

huh, they had seeded runs on the same lb as unseeded

[cunning urchin]

There's no separation of seeded and unseeded yet.

[cunning urchin]

If you think that's very silly, that's what I told them back then, too.

[magic dagger]

I thought they separated them back in blood price

then collapsed the leaderboards back together when they put them in misc.

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, I think they did that. High Heat leaderboard wasn't split until after 1.0, though.

Which wasn't officially a leaderboard but a collection of runs... ranked by heat... with the "leader" being at the top of the rankings...

[grand zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628664449972305965/1018665304173318234/unknown.png

Which side should I choose?

Pls ping.

[random relic]

for most builds gods pride is better because you arent really aiming for a specific duo, but when you are legacy can be used, but even then gods pride is generally preferred because rarity on all of your boons is really important

fated persuasion over fated authority every time

[grand zenith]

Kk.

[cunning urchin]

@grand zenith You can refer to this mirror guide by MiKe. #h1-for-new-players message

[ashen obsidian]

turning off attack on cursor feels effin awful

I think I can't make the Rail work lol

Like either you need to aim with isometric fookery or rely on auto aim and rob yourself of player agency

awful design tbh

[tight basin]

i think rail is fine lmao

[ashen obsidian]

I don't see it

it just feels bad even though it should be the coolest

[dreamy prism]

lol

[tight basin]

tmw you decide to do a rail run to prove that attack on cursor is fine and you get offered + cast and + cast damage from chaos (that i rerolled) and get +9% cast damage from bouldy

[ashen obsidian]

man I have a lot of grievances with this game lmao

the final boss is

imo not good

[dreamy prism]

and why's that

[dreamy prism]

I mean same but

[ashen obsidian]

adds

[dreamy prism]

lol true, summon rng is absurd

[ashen obsidian]

the 2nd phase is good

actually really good

hard and a little frustrating but good

[tight basin]

ngl i think the adds are fine, some are bs and yeah it's rng to which ones you get but the concept of adds in the final fight is fine

[ashen obsidian]

eh

[dreamy prism]

yeah super archers and voidstones being part of the same possible spawn pool as unarmored wringers is extremely bad

[ashen obsidian]

but yea

I wish I could use the rail

but having to use auto aim ruins it

[dreamy prism]

k

[tight basin]

first time using auto aim on eris rail and it feels fine so far lmao idk what the issue is

feels much better than manually aiming

breaking pots is a pain but that's about it

[ashen obsidian]

I'd be right next to an enemy or inbetween and zag would just start snapping like wild

not to mention it just is boring

[tight basin]

at least you're not missing

[ashen obsidian]

i meant to say like alternating shots between two enemies

which sucked

yea not missing because the game is playing itself

it's not fun

[dreamy prism]

k

[tight basin]

k

cast in charon well before styx this would've been a good beo run

[ashen obsidian]

no like reslly

yall don't think auto aim rail is freaking boring

[tight basin]

i like it when builds are strong enough where the game basically plays itself

and also turn up the heat if you think it's boring lol

you'll find yourself fighting for your life more often

for hesty i will say that i turn off aim at cursor because i like the distance more and auto aim doesn't lock on that far but top players turn it off iirc

[random relic]

i dont think its boring

and yeah if you do just turn up the heat

theres a lot more to focus on when youre challenged

i dont think its too much of an issue to "not be able to choose" what youre aiming at anyways

since you almost always play close to enemies anyways

and it just locks on to the closest one iirc

[tight basin]

man i keep getting good cast boons from chaos when i'm playing rail

i'm going to break something

[dreamy prism]

I like winning

[tight basin]

wow what a loser, wanting to just win

get a load of this guy

[acoustic vale]

I bet they want to just get the boons too

[ashen obsidian]

they can't solve a mechanic issue

[ashen obsidian]

how tf can you play without one or the other lol

[tight basin]

i mean eris is basically a melee weapon tbh so turning off attack at cursor is just easier

and with hestia the auto aim doesn't lock that far imo

and hestia has a lot of range that i utilize most of the time so it's just easier

different aspects require different attunements

[tight basin]

ngl i think you're just not used to it, i just did my first run ever with autoaim eris and it felt fine for me

oh with bosses i turn off attack at cursor on hestia lmao

[ashen obsidian]

i don't get it lol

having to aim with WASD sounds worst than the game doing it for ya

actually i can't fathom why you would turn attack on cursor off with hestia

but yea Eris is just

idk

[tight basin]

i aim with the mouse?

[ashen obsidian]

you turn cursor off?

[tight basin]

idk what you're trying to say ngl

the cursor is on

[ashen obsidian]

idk what you're saying

[tight basin]

attack at cursor is on

for hesty

[ashen obsidian]

oh

oh

i don't use hestia

or haven't

[tight basin]

[ashen obsidian]

I just used Eris

because it's supposed to be good

[tight basin]

it is good

[ashen obsidian]

it is strong

but it's no fun

guess i'll try hestia

wish I had that darn titan blood back for eris

i'd have kept it locked

[dreamy prism]

hm

[ashen obsidian]

yeah it's just so

awkwardf

like how do you keep it up

[dreamy prism]

you special enemies and dash into the explosion

that's about it

[ashen obsidian]

sounds liek an easy way to dash intoa visual flash bomb and eat damage

[dreamy prism]

unironically skill issue homie

just because you can't use it doesn't mean it isn't broken like that

[ashen obsidian]

dude

are you telling me dashing face first into an explosion and cluster of enemies is visually clear?

HAdes already struggles with clarity lmao

[dreamy prism]

yeah I can handle it fine

[ashen obsidian]

that justm akes it way worse

ok.

good vision mfers i swear

some people wear glasses

[dreamy prism]

k

[ashen obsidian]

k

[tight basin]

Eris is basically a melee weapon because of this lmao and every melee weapon in the game low-key kinda sucks because it's melee

Eris is the only "melee" weapon that is good because of the massive damage buff and that you don't have to point blank everything

[dreamy prism]

shields:

[ashen obsidian]

I see

[tight basin]

Shields qualify as ranged weapons because of cshot

[ashen obsidian]

idk I found gilgamesh good

[dreamy prism]

at lower heat melee aspects are just as good as their ranged counterparts

[ashen obsidian]

i'll probably jsut stop using Eris after this run and play Zag rail or Hestia

[dreamy prism]

since the game being less punishing means taking hits is much more viable

[ashen obsidian]

Lucifer is cool but kinda needs the up time

[tight basin]

Zag rail is just worse eris unless you get spread fire

[ashen obsidian]

or turn aim at cursor back on

apparently appro cast doesn't work with auto aim

[dreamy prism]

yeah that doesn't surprise me

crush shot is pretty ass outside of hera

[tight basin]

Based take, crush shot is always bad use arty cast instead on Hera for more range

Or phalanx shot

[ashen obsidian]

hm

i c

i used it once on hera

seemed fun

[ashen obsidian]

I am so effin bad at temple styx

[tight basin]

Tdash or flood flare makes it free

[cunning urchin]

The meta builds generally factor in Satyr tunnels, yeah.

You'll want some sort of burst AOE damage or wall-slam (ideally with t2 buffs).

Well, the wall-slam boons cover both pretty much.

Tidal Dash and Flood Shot mainly.

If you don't have those, you'll want very high DPS like say a full Merciful End build on Nemesis.

And usually take the miniboss tunnels first because those fights are much faster and more predictable if your build is good.

[ashen obsidian]

what's good for achillies spear

[cunning urchin]

Some general fighting tips for Satyr tunnels are:

(0) If you get poisoned, don't panic. You can pause the game and look for the nearest curing pool and how to get there safely.
(1) If a Gigantic Vermin is facing you, empty-dash away from there asap. They will bite you if you're in front of them, and their bite is very fast and does a lot of damage. Never stay in front of a Gigantic Vermin. Always attack them from the side or from behind.
(1a) There's a mini chamber with a Gigantic Vermin right next to the entrance door, always look out for that Gigantic Vermin when you enter a mini chamber to dash away asap if you need to. It can easily catch you off-guard if you're not looking for it. (There's two versions of that mini chamber, just mirrored.)
(2) Circle groups of enemies to easily evade most of their attacks because pretty much all of their attacks are linear.
(3) Take out Satyrs and Snakestones first, usually.
(3a) Don't dash mindlessly when approaching Satyrs, which puts all of your dashes on cooldown; have at least one dash available to evade the poison arrow, listen for the audio cue.
(3b) Don't knock Snakestones into locations you can't reach. If necessary, get a lot of distance to them to kite them towards you.
(4) Don't get close to enemies sitting on giant poison puddles. Just kite them away from there.
(5) Learn trap locations/timing and focus your fighting on the safe zones.

[cunning urchin]

In-depth build guide and mechanics guide for Achilles Aspect:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit

The very very short version is:
Tidal Dash > Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark
OR
Tidal Dash > Lightning Strike + Static Discharge

Whichever you see first out of Deadly Strike/Lightning Strike.

• any of these: Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, Wave Pounding, Typhoon's Fury

Lots of poms on Tidal Dash and maybe 2-3 on Hunter's Mark/Static Discharge respectively.

[ashen obsidian]

...

i have no idea what i'm reading in either of these

thanks tho

like this mechanic stuf lol

and i don;t remember boon by name

but yeah this mechanic thing

makes no sense

[cunning urchin]

Tidal Dash is from Poseidon. (Breaking Wave, Razor Shoals, etc. are also from him.)
Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark is from Lady Artemis
Lightning Strike + Static Discharge is from Lord Zeus.

Those are the most important boons.

Most important hammer upgrade is Flurry Jab.

[ashen obsidian]

Oh thank you
Just wanted to know some general ideas
Spear is really weird

[cunning urchin]

As for gameplay mechanics... the simple version is just:

double-tap Special to get the Attack buff → spam Dash-Attacks → double-tap Special again → etc.

[ashen obsidian]

I see
Yeah I think I got it on another reaf but my tired brain was no reading so well

Thanks
I'm.sorry for making you dumb it down
Promise i'm.not that stupid

[cunning urchin]

lol it's all good. There's a whole lot of information in the guides that not everyone cares for.

Or that's not helpful if you don't have the experience and knowledge yet to make sense of it.

But it's good to know where the guides when you want to look at things a little deeper.

[lucid oar]

That guide is pretty outdated

Generally people ignore lightning strike, put Zeus on special or call depending on if they’ve seen hermes, and also theres a lot more focus on getting a cast boon (ares is the best)

Deadly strike is just way better

[cunning urchin]

More than good enough for players just getting into things.

But yeah, anything from a year or longer ago is gonna be slightly outdated.

Lightning Strike is gonna be better for players who don't have Achilles at Lv.5 yet.

[turbid needle]

Who's the best god(s) for each weapon?

I've heard Zeus is good for the Spear

[shell sleet]

you can't really say by weapon, since different aspects of the same weapon use different gods

[strange lark]

Athena for all

Idk man as

[shell sleet]

i agree with the top comment of this comment chain

[tender latch]

I don't really think there's any builds that rely on only one god

Basically all of them get a very big boost from a specific duo boon or even just from the different abilities different gods offer

I guess the closest you can get is Ares on melee with merciful end, since you largely want to focus on doom with tier 2 and poms

But even then you need at least 2 athena boons for flourish + dash

Or maybe zeus since he wants a bunch of poms and his support boons, but even builds that use him want stuff from other gods

[cunning urchin]

There's a Newbie Build Guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players that you can use as a starting point for your builds.

[random relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1018858873735610418/Screenshot_20220912-082117_Chrome.jpg

except for this one

[lucid oar]

Lucifer works Boonless tho

Source: thegamer

[tender latch]

I hate this

Games journalist sites at it again

[plain river]

Bronze skin is an “essential boon” lmfao

[tender latch]

Thegamer: simply highroll into a 1 god godpool

[random relic]

guys

the build will not work unless you get holy shield and bronze skin

[plain river]

This is more rng than ME

Why do you take literally every core from athena which game journalist cannot live if every button they press doesn’t deflect

nevermind that is probably your average game journalist

[tender latch]

Essential boons: c3 merciful end, c4 impending doom, c5 divine dash, c6/7 aphro/poseidon, c8 sweet nectar

[plain river]

C6 artemis c7 deadly reversal

[tender latch]

I-

[plain river]

C8 hyper sprint c9 chaos c10 darkness

[tender latch]

lmao

Don't forget the quintuple elysium skip

[plain river]

c23 rd c24 first hammer c25 second hammer

[tender latch]

2 chaos gates then than -> fountain -> pat

[plain river]

just skip the entirety of asphodel

[tender latch]

Elysium worse

[plain river]

Asphodel is like 4 chambers though so it easy skip

[random relic]

kiran galaxia

[plain river]

C26 erebus gate into heroic rush delivery

c27 third hammer

[random relic]

so true just get 20 erebus gates

[plain river]

Then the rest of the run is just zeus boons that are found w/out forcing zeus and you end up with the most cracked zeus call you’ve ever seen

[tender latch]

what's the heroic boost

Does it actually go over 100% lmao

[plain river]

125%

it goes up by 25% each time 50/75/100/125

[tender latch]

I wanna see a routed rd build so crazy that support fire does 100 damage

[plain river]

Probably possible with enough poms on support fire

Because yes poms are horrible on support fire but

[turbid needle]

Not really a newbie, I've beaten the game a few times by now

[plain river]

Quantity

[tender latch]

yes but it's funny

[plain river]

That is still a newbie tbh

[tender latch]

sweet nectar + every pom

[plain river]

And anyways “newbie” is just for like

[tender latch]

I've beaten the game almost 200 times and I'm a newbie 😎

[plain river]

People who don’t know the solid builds

[tender latch]

Some of these people are fr insane

[plain river]

I would recommend looking at it 👍👍👍

[tender latch]

Tailesque boutta wake up tomorrow with a 60 heat boonless zagfist

[cunning urchin]

Newbies are players who don't know that Sturdy gives damage reduction.

[plain river]

speedrun.com when I upload my unseeded boonless 64 heat run tomorrow

it’s also sub0 minutes

I want to rng manip anvil again but I never see it anymore or always have the hammers I want already

[cunning urchin]

If you want something a little more advanced then, this guide has a lot of great builds for every weapon aspect. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[plain river]

Last I checked it didn’t have “only athena boons lucifer”

[plain river]

This is the most meta build in the game

[cunning urchin]

Y'all memeing a little too much when people ask for help with builds lately.

[plain river]

I think when it literally takes every athena core and bronze skin it’s pretty obvious it’s a meme

[tender latch]

Request for devs to swap cast mechanics for beo and hera

Let hera autodrop and explode while beo has to lodge casts

[plain river]

if beo lodged casts

Trippy flare meta time

[soft kiln]

what makes flurry good on hera?

[cunning urchin]

Just quickly delivers your Cast to the target.

And good base damage.

[tender latch]

It's equal to a full non-power shot, right

[cunning urchin]

Can hold down Attack and just aim and load Casts as necessary. If you have Greater Recall as well, you can clear rooms from one spot just holding down Attack and loading Casts.

[tender latch]

I don't have too much hera experience, but compared to other aspects, it feels like hera's the easiest build to get online

Like you can make up for not getting mirage with well luck and besides that you're just pomming up cast + getting dem support

[shell sleet]

where is this from

[proper furnace]

You dont go for mirage much on hera anyways

[tender latch]

I'm just going off her guide

Is there an updated build guide? tidal dash still seems very nice for styx and generally adding another source of damage

[plain river]

Game journal

the gamer

Classic game journal moment

[soft kiln]

it's probably just that 4 god builds isn't really ideal and a lot of the power of hte build is that it doesn't really need any duos

[plain river]

Time for ME hera with phalanx shot

[soft kiln]

i just lost a hera run because i got greedy with chaos but i just got lucky and naturally found dem in tart so in asphodel i threw on poseidon

[soft kiln]

does that work

it sounds terrible lol

[tender latch]

You need a 5 god pool so yes it is

[plain river]

you still need the athena flourish to get the ME

[soft kiln]

but i am wondering if mechanically it'll work

[tender latch]

Oh wait

Athena cast right

[plain river]

it works on Beo so I assume MEra works

[tender latch]

Speaking of funny builds

[soft kiln]

if you get lightning phalanx on hera will the cast still bounce around?

[tender latch]

If I was an achilles player this'd be sub 8

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1018843376759611464/unknown.png?width=1052&height=592

[proper furnace]

Ye

[soft kiln]

i keep wondering how you're going so fast and then realize your speedruns are on heat 6 and i'm just traumatized by higher heats

[tender latch]

I'm specifically speedrunning lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1018667368748167178/unknown.png?width=1052&height=592

Pb goes wild

cshot start btw

Technically all my beo runs are seeded because I only run beo if c1 has a cshot hammer

[cunning urchin]

Mirage is just something you go for if the opportunity is there. It's one of the many ways to scale the build.

For an in-depth guide, refer to this. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[tender latch]

Interesting

If only hera didn't lodge casts maybe it could attempt heat 😩

[cunning urchin]

Hera can do high heat, though. It's just a lot less fun.

[tender latch]

I mean top heat the way beo does

Like, actually good at high heat

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Beowulf is running into similar issues at top heat with RI and DC.

[tender latch]

Fair point

Zeus moment

support fire beo 🧠

[soft kiln]

how long do crystals normally stay lodged?

[cunning urchin]

15 seconds.

[plain river]

Just get un-traumatised

Ez

[soft kiln]

lol wtf

[tender latch]

Speaking of which, why are a bunch of duo boons that would appreciate the dash not unlokced by dash

Is it just because of balancing

[plain river]

Balancing

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[tender latch]

Tragedy

Free merciful end

Free sea storm

[cunning urchin]

Dash unlocked them in Early Access.

[tender latch]

I can't think of any relevant examples besides those tbh

[cunning urchin]

There's much more build variety now overall.

Deadly Reversal, too.

[tender latch]

Like you'd want poseidon dash over artemis even if art unlocked mirage

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash used to unlock Deadly Reversal even.

Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash was a common melee build for high heat.

[tender latch]

Melee needs all the help it can get lmao

Why'd they nerf that of all things

[cunning urchin]

Most melee runs you saw people post were just Merciful End, though.

[tender latch]

I guess for sword it doesn't matter too much

you're doing special -> x dash strikes anyway

[cunning urchin]

Because people were all doing the same build lol, and the only Dash anyone used was Divine Dash.

And Tidal Dash on Eris.

[tender latch]

Seems better than RNG just insta deleting most high heat attempts

• you'd still have to luck into ddash + reversal

[cunning urchin]

High Heat is like less than 0.01% of players.

[tender latch]

Was it overwhelming at low levels?

[tender latch]

This made it seem like that's why they nerfed it

Or did they just nerf ddash and reversal was collateral damage

[cunning urchin]

I mean I can only guess at their reasons myself lol.

[tender latch]

Side note, does zeus still prefer cshot over regular bull rush? Cshot is crazy but explosive return looks pretty strong considering how often your shield returns

[cunning urchin]

But yeah, melee variety is overall more healthy now and all the other dashes see much more use.

[cunning urchin]

Yes. But Explosive Return is also great.

[cunning urchin]

High heat melee doesn't really rely on Merciful End anyway. There's a lot of other ways to get good enough damage.

[tender latch]

Oh, I was talking about reversal

ME is way too fickle for even ddash unlock to save it at that level

[cunning urchin]

Nah, that would be amazing for high heat melee if you could get Merciful End with Divine Dash again.

[tender latch]

Is there any 60 heat sword/fist run? I haven't seen any

And passion dash unlocking smair seems pretty insane too-

[cunning urchin]

Passion Dash is nowhere near Divine Dash or Tidal Dash in DPS or utility.

[tender latch]

Fair point

Tidal dash really do be wildin

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[tender latch]

What about spear? Achilles seems flexible enough but i dunno

[cunning urchin]

Maybe once somebody beats Retrash's unmodded melee WRs or AngeL1C's modded melee WRs, they'll be tempted to go for 60.

[tender latch]

What're the current records?

[cunning urchin]

You can just check the pinned leaderboards in #h1-high-heat-strategies for that.

[tender latch]

Big

[twin cloak]

60 eris rail kinda insane

[cunning urchin]

Bow and spear were both bad in Early Access, you know. Like, by far the weakest weapons. Rail and shield were top tier, of course, and more or less the same as now. So there wasn't really much of a reason to buff sword or fists because they were in a good spot. And spear and bow got buffed to what they are now, after release.

The biggest issue for melee at high heat came after Early Access: EM4.

That fight just punishes melee ridiculously hard.

[tender latch]

Was insane-chiron post early access?

[cunning urchin]

Idk about insane but it had a short period post launch where it was really really good.

[tender latch]

Feels like it wouldn't be as bad if melee had the damage to compete at that level

Melee is just sobbing in high risk low reward

[cunning urchin]

Personally I think e.g. the EM4 skulls pushing you away if you're too close is a terrible mechanic that punishes melee way too hard while ranged weapons aren't affected at all.

EM4 urns are also ridiculously difficult for melee to clear to stop him from healing while bow and rail are just chilling, having a good time.

[cunning urchin]

And yeah, that.

[tender latch]

It feels like even without em4 it'd be a pain to deal with bp2 fo2 enemies

Speeder chariots on fo2 just delete you and even baj had to block a ton in his run

[cunning urchin]

Well, cgull and Baj handpicked their enemies for that run, pretty much.

[tender latch]

That makes the point even wilder since a best-case-scenario still had to resort to shield being insane defensively

And just getting to tank what'd otherwise be mongo damage at no cost

[cunning urchin]

He could afford playing defensive because he had the time.

I think the two biggest BP2 problems for melee are Bruiser anything and Speeder Greatshields.

[tender latch]

Bruiser doesn't feel too bad unless there's something horrific attached to it already

Like c3 clone witches

greatshields are hell though

[cunning urchin]

Bruiser just prevents you from stunlocking for too long and takes too long to kill.

[tender latch]

I haven't seen it with cp also active

[cunning urchin]

A group of 3-4 Speeder Greatshields can just end your run because there's no opening for you to get a hit in, just takes way too long to separate them to slowly kill them.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I figured as much when you said that it doesn't feel too bad lol.

[tender latch]

Lemme guess it's multiplicative

[cunning urchin]

Imagine bad build and CP1-2 Bruisers.

They actually nerfed Bruiser twice in Early Access because of how bad it was lol.

Y'all have it good.

[tender latch]

jesus

[cunning urchin]

Naturally.

[tender latch]

Of course

[cunning urchin]

FO is also nerfed btw. They fine-tuned several enemy attacks for FO1 and FO2 to always have a minimum startup.

[tender latch]

Spin attack is the bane of my existence on speeder greatshields

Boutta build aphro smair solely to make them stop

[cunning urchin]

Ah.

Yeah, I have to really focus and even then often can't react to their spins in time. So you probably shouldn't try that, gotta just know how to bait it and dash preemptively.

[tender latch]

I more so mean punishing it, because they're ready to pop a squat right after

[cunning urchin]

Speeder Wringers are similar.

[tender latch]

Fo2 startup is tough but fine, but enemies basically getting to throw out hitboxes 24/7 while running super armor is rough

Do fo2 speeder wringers turn too fast?

I normally empty dash through fo1 ones and start wailing on them from there with melee

[cunning urchin]

Turn speed is fine, their attack startup is just unreactable. You can't i-frame with dash on reaction.

And Brightswords have a slash that's bugged and can sometimes come out in literally 4 frames (at 60fps), which is nowhere even near reactable.

[tender latch]

Super armor + hitbox spam with no startup do be hell

Maybe if cast lodging could still stun through armor that'd be some small relief but that doesn't seem like it'd help the problem

[plain river]

Is reactable if you’re cool

[tender latch]

Sad that there aren't more things like the teleporting perk or lava

[cunning urchin]

Speeder Wringers can spawn right on top of you and grab before you have a chance to get out of there sometimes lol.

[tender latch]

It's an extra challenge that isn't absolutely ridiculous

Super buffed numbers with armor on top just feels like a recipe for hell

I'd rather fight a room that's 70% lava than four speeder shieldboys

[cunning urchin]

If you subtract input and display lag from the time you have to react, you couldn't even blink out of reflex before you get hit.

[plain river]

Would rather fight lernie than speed shield bois

[tender latch]

Yes I'd rather have every elysium fight be fo2 cp lernie

Elysium heroes deserve to be shot

First with rama special

Then with twinshot powershot hunter dash rama

[cunning urchin]

On most systems, if you pressed Dash at the exact same time as the attack startup begins on your monitor, you'll get hit before your input signal reaches the game.

[tender latch]

Then with clockets

Then with 5 full bar artemis calls at once

[plain river]

I’ll just turn on all the settings and rely on switch lag to save me

[cunning urchin]

Run the game at 4fps to react in time?

Smart.

[plain river]

🧠🧠🧠

[tender latch]

Buff hermes to give him a timestop boon

[plain river]

Hermes call

[tender latch]

Hermes call

[cunning urchin]

What about two FO2 EM Asterius pre-turn speed nerf?

Turn speed during bull charge, of course.

[tender latch]

Sounds like a reset unless you're running shield or hyper + reflex

[proper furnace]

Or have a call to iframe it

[cunning urchin]

What if the 2x Asterius have Speeder?

[grand zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976039554131836929/1018957878498971648/unknown.png

Just started and got hammers, which one?

[strange lark]

Explosive

[grand zenith]

Thx.

[manic cradle]

do boons that increase boon rarity like yarn of ariadne help get duo boons?

[plain river]

I don’t think the items do

Those just set minimum rarity to blue

But the chaos blessings do help

[random relic]

yes

[lone jetty]

Yarns, Nectar from Eurydice, and Chaos Favor boons boost duo/legendary chances, yes. The Exclusive Access duo does not

[plain river]

Hehehe getting flurry fire then immediately after epic arctic blast on eris

[visual jungle]

Since hell mode forces jury summons/calisthenics program, does that affect the time limit for leveling up the plume?

[cunning urchin]

The time limit remains the same.

[visual jungle]

ah ok thanks!!

Do you know what the time limit is? 😳

[cunning urchin]

Nope, but you can see the timer on the keepsake during encounters.

[random relic]

its pretty lenient iirc and i think it changes depending on how late you are in the biome and also changes for bosses

[cunning urchin]

If your runs are around like 24min clear time, you shouldn't have a problem proccing it in virtually every encounter.

[cobalt wharf]

Guys is having 3 battie charges a bit much? 😂

[oblique sierra]

Never

[soft kiln]

@cobalt wharf anybody show you this yet? https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[cobalt wharf]

Oh- no tbh I just use what I'm given coz my rng luck is dogs-....tuffings

[soft kiln]

it can only be so bad there's a pretty finite amount of abilities. but that guide helped me so much at the start. just helps to understand what actually works and what doesn't

[cunning urchin]

It's a lot more predictable when you understand they'll always offer at least one out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash until all 4 slots are filled.

[soft kiln]

just finished tart on eris. i found rocket bomb and have zeus attack, aphro special, poseidon cast/dash and took a non core arty boon

aphro is 158%

i'm gonna assume that it's not worth purging the aphro boon to try to get an arty special?

that's just greedy right? lol

oh i have 91% to undamaged foes from chaos too

[cobalt wharf]

Rq guys I've asked something hades gen, can someone help me out here?

[soft kiln]

sup

[proven osprey]

Yeah it's not worth it

[old solstice]

Huh strânge

Where i can send pics of my build

[strange lark]

Here, just upload it to imgur and paste the link

Or to a private discord server

Then copy and paste link here

[random relic]

if its a victory screen send it in #h1-victory-boasting

[ashen obsidian]

dam dionysus dash is better than i thought

[tight basin]

only with poms really

[ashen obsidian]

well it seemed to go well with gilgamesh

[tight basin]

i mean stacking to 5 or 8 isn't the hard part it's the part of actually dealing good damage

[plain river]

Yeah

[tight basin]

epic hangover on dash is 4, which is common for the strike

[plain river]

Many poms and global % needed on drunken dash to make it good

[tight basin]

and common for special is 5 so it's not even close lmao

[dreamy prism]

dio dash is good for building call

and good synergy with the boosted damage with 3+ hangover boon

I wouldn't use it for damage nor call it trash just because it has no damage

[tight basin]

good for activating PS when you forget to switch to FF

[ashen obsidian]

true

damn gilgamesh is fun tho

[strange lark]

True

[tender latch]

Dio clockets 🧠

Side note, why exactly is hangover so good at building meter god gauge

Is it just because of many individual ticks of damage

But when you deal one/a couple massive hits you also get a bunch, so how exactly does the god gauge work

[tight basin]

many small hits is better for charging call than little big hits

[tender latch]

But the latter still seems to do a good bit, so apparently damage has some factor

I'm just curious if anyone knows like

[tight basin]

like, say 10 hits deals 100 damage, 1 single hit for 100 damage
i'm pretty sure call charges based on damage and hits, so 10 hits for a total of 100 is gonna give more? something like that

[tender latch]

The actual mechanic or math of it

[tight basin]

idk the ratio for hits and damage but they both contribute

[tender latch]

Too much brainpower I'll just run smair and mash the call key

[tight basin]

based

[plain river]

Actually hitting is more important than the damage of the hit

[tight basin]

i'd assume so because since it gives charge on hits and damage, more hits to get to the damage is gonna give more

[plain river]

It might be that it gives a flat amount just for hitting and then another amount based on damage

Also I just remembered that one artemis boon that gives % for crits

[tight basin]

call charge for crits?

[plain river]

yes that’s what I meant I just realised % for crits is really vague

[proper furnace]

Hunter instinct gaming

[plain river]

Rail should’ve got double fire or something

[tender latch]

Double barrel shotgun

[tight basin]

spreadfire but you have 2 ammo

[plain river]

flurry fire but without the +6 ammo

Sword should’ve gotten chain skewer

[tender latch]

Let sword projectiles proc doom

Also double the base damage

[plain river]

Where my hammer that lets me chuck sword

[tight basin]

dash nova but zag forgets to dash

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Dash isn't very good at building god gauge though tbh because the damage is so low; pretty sure Tidal Dash will build much faster. And m very sure 5 stacks of Hangover still count as 1 hit per tick.

[plain river]

I think they count as 1 tick as well

The reason dio aid charges itself is because it hits so many enemies that are then all taking the tick damage

[plain river]

I think

[cunning urchin]

Like yeah, number of hits overall matters more than damage per hit, but the damage per hit still matters.

Dionysus' Aid also does a lot more damage per hit.

[tender latch]

Use support fire chiron

[plain river]

support fire zeus attack zag rail

With flurry fire and heroic swift strike

🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

[ashen obsidian]

hmm i don't quite like Arthur

[dreamy prism]

based

[plain river]

[tender latch]

Maybe Arthur wouldn't seem so truly awful if Rama and Hestia didn't exist

[dreamy prism]

based

[tender latch]

Rama does the big bulky damage gimmick better, has range, and actual options for damage

Meanwhile hestia isn't even slow and it does more damage than Arthur

[dreamy prism]

but rama takes skill

[plain river]

Arthur isn’t even slow if you d-stirke 🧠🧠🧠

[tender latch]

Nemesis crits go 3x faster and do basically the same damage

[ashen obsidian]

arthur looks cool though

but yea not my fav

i think my fav of the hiddens is probably Lucifer or Gilgamesh

[plain river]

I like all the hidden aspects!

Albiet I haven’t played rama in forever

[tender latch]

godma

[tight basin]

🅱️eowulf

[dreamy prism]

I hate all the hidden aspects

[acoustic vale]

I like Arthur and Gilgamesh. I don't like beo because it annoys me how good it is, I don't like rama or Lucifer because I don't like how their aspects play, and I don't like guan-yu because it's completely antithetical to how I play the game normally

[tender latch]

How is guan yu different? Technically it's pretty similar to sword unless you're spamming spin

special into 2 dashstrikes

[hexed lagoon]

Yeah I just don't use it.

I probably wouldn't use it even without the hp decrease

[tender latch]

That's fair

I've grown to like it less when more pact conditions come into play

It's only fun to occasionally run Artemis skewer and watch it crit for 1000+

[soft kiln]

got sea storm in tart on eris and was given the opportunity to trade common lightning strike lvl 3 for rare tempest strike. i figured that made sense since i already have sea storm

is that wrong?

[tight basin]

i wouldn't do that

i doubt you have another zeus core, and i dont think you'll be offered jolted if you have sea storm

also i doubt tempest strike would be good on eris anyways

[soft kiln]

i wanted to see if i could slam things into walls. not sure if it attacks fast enough

[tight basin]

i mean you probably can slam things into walls

wait

does the 75% bonus apply to wall slams lmao

[soft kiln]

i'm not sure

[tight basin]

i assume you have tdash right

[soft kiln]

not yet but i was going ot take poseidon into asphodel

i'll probably find it

[tight basin]

i mean it's worth experimenting i guess but i wouldn't throw away a good run for it lmao

you're still climbing heat aren't you

[soft kiln]

i also have cluster bomb with aphro special

yeah i'm at 34

[tight basin]

oh yeah def don't replace for tempest strike lmao

[soft kiln]

oh i already did was just wondering if it was wrong

i kinda figured i'd probably find another zeus boon XD

[tight basin]

well it def was wrong lmao

[tight basin]

i mean you probably will but now you're stuck with a bad atk and very little chance of replacing it

unless you sell it i guess

uc fodder lmao

[soft kiln]

how bad can it be triggering sea storm each hit

[tight basin]

doesn't chain to other enemies

[soft kiln]

that's fair let's see if i get overwhelmed XD

[tight basin]

lmao gl

[soft kiln]

oh i didn't even use a zeus keepsake

i can just take that into aspho if i want

[tight basin]

oh

yeah that works

[soft kiln]

hope to find zeus call i guess

[tight basin]

or atk replacement lol

[soft kiln]

wait i was wrong i did use it i'm dumb

[tight basin]

lmao rip

[soft kiln]

i guess i'll just take poseidon and try to find a good tdash

arty is tempting for lightning rod but that's probably too out there

naturally i just die to power couple

i hate that fight so much

[tight basin]

that's a power couple moment

[acoustic vale]

Hp reduction. I tend to stack as much hp as possible lmao

[turbid needle]

Who's a good God to use with the Aspect of Lucifer

[tight basin]

zeus on atk

arty or aphrodite on the special

poseidon dash can be good, but personal preference on that because you typically want to dash into your luci bombs, and tdash might push them out

ngl eris and luci kinda build the same except with different hammers

[acoustic vale]

What hammers?

[turbid needle]

Going for the Minor Fate though

Get to Hades with the Lucifer Aspect

[tight basin]

eris wants clockets, luci wants triple bomb

[acoustic vale]

I see

[tight basin]

pick up concentrated or eternal beam if you see that first and not triple so it increases triple bomb chances

[tender latch]

Who would've guessed two fast firing projectile weapons with a big boom bomb attack build the same

[tight basin]

Lmao all rails build the same if you're @twin cloak

[twin cloak]

nah zagrail uses arty attack

[tender latch]

Crit shotgun

[turbid needle]

What's good for the Aspect of Rama?

[tender latch]

Zeus special above all else, zeus support boons and some poms. For attack you can either use Artemis for crits or be more consistent with high % modifiers

Artemis dash is massive additional damage too so you want that if you can get it

[dreamy prism]

special only rama is unaruably

[tender latch]

It's a pretty flexible aspect so besides zeus special you can do a lot within reason

[dreamy prism]

other specials are more than viable

dio ares even dem

the aspect isn't locked into zeus special

[tender latch]

Yeah but it's like the main thing you want to start with

Eris can run other stuff on attack but it's zeus in most cases

[lunar crown]

which fist is better

i mean hammer

concentrated knuckle or flying cutter or breach

im using zag fist

[dreamy prism]

breaching by a landslide

[lunar crown]

i have zag fist and lamb plume

how does it work out

[dreamy prism]

dodge chances are added together

[lunar crown]

nice

[daring pecan]

any tips on the aspect of guan yu? really struggling on that one

[random relic]

its generally recommended to only spin in between enemy waves

unless you get quick spin

doing it while enemies are alive can lead to you getting hit quite often

aside from that, you normally want to do special -> dash strike x2

charged skewer is the best hammer, it can make your special do loads of damage

aside from that quick spin is good as it allows you do use your spin easier and more often

[dreamy prism]

get serrated point, die

for legal reasons that's a joke

[random relic]

and massive spin is a good choice as it increases the damage from your spin whenever you do use it

so hammer choices go charged skewer > quick spin > massive spin

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu guide by me if you're interested. #h1-discussion message

[acoustic vale]

Use a better aspect /j

[dreamy prism]

:rofxic:

[soft kiln]

https://imgur.com/a/OMzDTZb

common haste or reroll? no duos yet and it's first hermes

demeter fists

i think i just take haste because i might need the reroll for UC

[random relic]

tbh id take qr but thats an unpopular opinion

common haste is never going to do anything

[tender latch]

You get rush delivery 😩