h1-builds-and-combat

[strange lark]

@tender latch it does a decent amount especially in tart and aspho

aka when you dont have ME

[tight basin]

you're also putting flat damage on the atk, the backstab takes the base damage of 20 and gives it the backstab bonus

so you're not getting value much value out of that when fiery presence boosts the athena special by however much percent

[tender latch]

I see

[tender latch]

@twin cloak Aren't eris/rd multiplicative boosts

[twin cloak]

No they add +75% and +whatever

[cunning urchin]

Movement speed bonus is multiplicative.

[twin cloak]

Rd scales multiplicatively but that's because mvmt speed is multiplicative

It still adds the resulting dmg

[tender latch]

Is eris just a flat +75 then?

[cunning urchin]

Percent damage is not flat damage.

[twin cloak]

It's +75% that will add on top of other +%s

[tender latch]

No I just meant whether the percentage was additive or multiplicative

Sorry, misworded

[cunning urchin]

damage = sum of base damage
× (1 + sum of base damage modifiers)
× (1 + sum of bonus damage modifiers)

Only hammers can have base damage modifiers.

And it will specify "base damage".

Charged Skewer, Charged Flight, etc.

Anything else that's "+n% damage" is a bonus damage modifier.

That includes core boons, Chaos boons, well items, Rush Delivery, Eris's +75% buff, etc.

[tender latch]

Ah, gotcha

[cunning urchin]

For crits, it's:

critical damage = sum of base damage
× (1 + sum of base damage modifiers)
× (1 + sum of bonus damage modifiers)
× (3 + sum of bonus critical damage modifiers)

[quiet harness]

does impending doom work with merciful end? and what does the "doom damage combo" mean for merciful end

[plain river]

Yes

[quiet harness]

so essentially just doubles damage then

[plain river]

the second question: instadropped dooms deal 40 flat extra damage iirc

[quiet harness]

i see

thanks

[plain river]

hope for divine dash

I mean it isn’t a prerequisite don’t get me wrong you still need athena strike or flourish but ddash also lets them insta drop

[quiet harness]

yea usually i get athena flourish, agony, and dash for fists

[plain river]

That’s how you build ME on every weapon

I can’t think of a weapon where you would switch it around to athena strike ares flourish just because dash striking is how you do ME

[quiet harness]

yea

[plain river]

Merciful End Zag Rail my beloved

Unironically

I think zag rail is the best melee aspect

Spreadfire just works too well

[tight basin]

Zeus gets a bit of leeway

Ares or Athena attack, you slap them into the special so it insta procs

Zeus doesn't need ddash because of this

Reason why it's not popular is because Zeus is hard to use lmao

[plain river]

“Hard to use”

[tender latch]

Massive brain strat is to just get both to proc doom

First get athena on one for merciful end

Then sell it and simply get ares again

🧠

[plain river]

With only one source of deflection? That makes no sense

[tender latch]

Wdym the deflect is dash

[plain river]

One source of deflection

[tender latch]

Easy spam

[plain river]

But two sources of applying

is not cash money

Means you either have one source unpommed or both sources less but equally pommed

[tight basin]

Takes too much brain for me when beo can just go boom

[twin cloak]

The peak ME build is hazard bomb with athena special and curse of vengeance

[plain river]

Peak ME vengeful mood, holy shield and curse of vengeance

[twin cloak]

I still don't know if that instadrops doom or waits until next cycle

[plain river]

Me neither but just like

Get hit to ensure the drop

🧠

Make sure you have bronze skin as well

For safety

[cunning urchin]

Zeus is one of the hardest aspects to master. But it's not too hard to get some decent results with it.

[twin cloak]

Just play cshot i don't know what's so hard about it

/s

[cunning urchin]

@plain river Vicious Cycle doesn't work on Slicing Flare btw.

[plain river]

Lmao

[cunning urchin]

As in, it literally doesn't do anything.

[plain river]

I get that

[tight basin]

Nice

[cunning urchin]

Bugowulf strikes again.

[plain river]

Trying to figure out some odd builds that’d probably work

Kinda want to use spear because I never use it but always pop off with it

[tender latch]

Use achilles with a full dem laser build

[sweet blade]

So I realized that most percentage-based damage increases stack additively with each other, but, it crit chance multiplicative?

[rugged gulch]

bow + zagreus aspect + artemis attack + explosive shot + triple shot = pure fun.

add hunter's dash + clean kill and you just do an inordinate amount of damage.

0_0

[tight basin]

Pretty sure it's additive

Everything is additive except move speed

[sweet blade]

What happens if you exchange Flood Shot after getting the Poseidon/Demeter duo boon? Does the duo boon just deactivate?

<@&456908176877551658> There's a spam bot here

[proper furnace]

Yes

[vagrant dagger]

Does Razor Shoals proc on Sword special?

[plain river]

Forced movement is still movement for shoals

Kinda want to try special only sword rn

Of course c1 hammer with no special hammers

[proper furnace]

I keep thingking you play modded for whatever reason

[plain river]

Lmao I’m not modding my switch

This went from special only to flurry slash zag sword hehehoohoo

[ancient bane]

Has anyone tried the shield of Zeus with the duo boon of Athena and ares where whenever you use special doom gets no cooldown

[strange lark]

yeah

[wary adder]

the real question is what aspect has merciful end not been used on

[strange lark]

its been used for all of them

[wary adder]

the build ever

[plain river]

Thinking which would be worse

ME guan-yu or ME rama

[wary adder]

gy imo

[strange lark]

guan yu is one of the best ME aspects

[wary adder]

[strange lark]

not even kidding

when you have charged skewer and athena special you will shred through tart and aspho without ME

[plain river]

Doom strike athena cast beo best ME aspect

[strange lark]

MEowulf

[wary adder]

no way

cat aspect

[plain river]

Holy shield curse of vengeance arthur best ME build

Just make sure you also have bronze skin

[wary adder]

aphro strike just to weaken

• different league

[plain river]

+broken resolve

• unshakable mettle

[twin cloak]

Curse of agony phalanx flare

Sounds good to me

[plain river]

Curse of pain hazard bomb holy shield 🧠

[twin cloak]

When are you going to do the vengeful mood me thing

[soft kiln]

Is splash dash any good with zeus^2? I'm concerned I just won't hit anything with the special

[strange lark]

its pretty good

but yeah you might miss things with your special

[twin cloak]

Idk ive always used divine

[strange lark]

idk man as

[plain river]

Soon

[twin cloak]

as someone who's living in your walls

i know your every move by the minute.

[plain river]

I just had 200 damage jolted

Dad died

[strange lark]

prove it

[twin cloak]

You are currently wasting time on sggcord

[strange lark]

no im not

[plain river]

I’m going to try for it rn

[twin cloak]

Based

Which aspect

[plain river]

I was going to do special only sword at somepoint but vengeful mood ME sounds better

[plain river]

Arthur because I imagine I’ll be taking a lot of damage

So uh

Already have ares pos and demeter in tart

Guess I’ll have to force athena and zeus

And dio to like

[tight basin]

i'd reset lmao

[plain river]

If you’re going to force me to take gods atleast be gods with revenge effects

[plain river]

I’m going to see how far this goes for darkness farming I have +162% darkness leaving tart rn

[tight basin]

based

[plain river]

I just took a hermes erebus gate without thinking

This is arthur with fo2 on

[tight basin]

rip

[plain river]

So I could take blue divine flourish orrrrrrrrr

Purple sure footing

Wait nevermind arthur disables traps

[wary adder]

is that a glitch or intentional btw

[plain river]

99% intentional

[wary adder]

is it mentioned anywhere

[plain river]

i’m assuming it’s intentional

[wary adder]

i dont remember seeing it anywhere and then one time i was just standing on lava not taking damage and was like huh

[plain river]

It makes sense if it’s intentional imo

[wary adder]

yeah

true

[plain river]

Arthur players if shadow slash applies to dash strikes

[wary adder]

arthur players when fo2

i found arthur really fun on low heat

[plain river]

I think fo2 is only a problem with arthur if you are also running JS

[wary adder]

i just found that i was taking criminal amounts of damage every time i dared to try and attack

[plain river]

Well uh

What was your pact

[tight basin]

wiki says it disables wall and floor traps

[proper furnace]

Is even on the tooltips

[plain river]

Oh my gosh thank you hermes

Purple swift flourish

[wary adder]

cant remember put its probably because i was and still very much am bad at gamings

[plain river]

Second hammer is dash novs cursed slash and piercing wave so uh

Free 30 damage lets go

35% bonus from family favourites pstatus players are rolling in their graves having to apply 2 status effects

[twin cloak]

I would still use dedge

Comfy

[plain river]

Dedge is best arthur hammer but like

Dedge + shadow slash if it applied to dash strikes

[twin cloak]

Lol

Arthur clockets

[plain river]

So do I keep my epic curse of agony… or take heroic zeus strike on arthur: shadesmile:

[twin cloak]

ZEUS !!!

[plain river]

I took zap dash because I realised I need ares cores for vengeful mood

Still haven’t got holy shield or ME

[acoustic vale]

Arthur is stronk enough with standing combos that not dashing is an option

[plain river]

Would still rather dash strike if I found dedge

[acoustic vale]

True

[plain river]

This is what speedrunners mean by grouping enemies right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1016408767165890571/IMG_2157.jpg

So many explody bois

[cunning urchin]

Intentional. That was a user suggestion in Early Access that they implemented.

[wary adder]

huh pretty cool

[cunning urchin]

Some people complained that they couldn't see the traps because of the aura, so somebody came up with that idea.

[tight basin]

that's mega brain thinking ngl

"just make yourself immune to traps because you can't see it" and it actually makes sense

[plain river]

doing that special only sword run I was talking about

have super nova and +199% special damage with athena special in tart rn

[tight basin]

As one does

Get double nova

Just get the hammer

[plain river]

ez

doom strike as well like

and zap dash

maybe this is special only and vengeful ME

zap dash on sword is cursed but it's special only so it's ok

[tight basin]

Based

[plain river]

RIP no double nova

[tight basin]

should've just gotten it tbh

[plain river]

I struggle to finish runs in one sitting

[acoustic vale]

Consider Arthur special only. It's a good idea trust me

[plain river]

This is like

The ME build of all time

But I’m special only

[tight basin]

get ares special and ddash

[plain river]

Should I 50/50 it on an anvil for hopes of double nova

lmao

I might

[mighty scroll]

The anvil has only ever helped me once

Out of like, 30 something runs

[tight basin]

just rng manip it

[mighty scroll]

Or just get lucky

[cunning urchin]

How long are your sessions usually in real time?

[plain river]

uhhhh

Depends

Sometimes a few hours because I play a bit then get distracted

Sometimes the rta is pretty much in line with the run time if I actually manage to keep myself sitting

[mighty scroll]

Here's a tip on how to win:

1. Equip shattered shackle
2. Equip varatha with aspect of hades
3. Get lucky on daedelus upgrades with charge shot and explosive shot
4. Win

[plain river]

Heres how to win: take pierced butterfly, run high confidence on mirror, never upgrade guan-yu, use it, and never pick up hp upgrades

Makes sure you get 100% of your possible pierced butterfly bonus

[mighty scroll]

I have never once used pierced butterfly

[plain river]

I used it because I’ve used every keepsake enough to max them all

[mighty scroll]

I just keep lucky tooth equipped, even though I never go through more than 2 death defiance

[plain river]

Rng manip into lossing super nova for hoarding and shadow slash

[mighty scroll]

I feel like hoarding would be a bit busted on a boonless run

[cunning urchin]

What do you mean by "in line" exactly?

[tight basin]

hoarding is just like bonus damage that's not worth building towards

[plain river]

Maybe like 2-4 minutes over ingame time

hoarding slash would only be good on a meme run

[tight basin]

also boonless sword is not fun

boonless beo isn't even fun and beo is literally busted

[plain river]

So if I go into another styx tunnel will my hammer change

[mighty scroll]

I found boonless hades fun

[plain river]

Anvil*

[tight basin]

wdym

oh

uh

i mean technically it will always change if you rng manip it

[mighty scroll]

What is rng manip

[tight basin]

you quit after you buy an anvil if you dont like the hammer upgrades

[mighty scroll]

Oh

[tight basin]

it'll put you back at the start of the room as if you just entered it

same with eurydice

[plain river]

Well uh

I quit

Went back in

Twive

It was the same

both times

[tight basin]

welp

get better rng then do it 5 more times

entering another tunnel might refresh it tho

[plain river]

I got deadly reversal

Am seeing my special crit for nearly 700 damage

658 damage

[tight basin]

lmao special moment

[cunning urchin]

Even the very best RTA runs take at least 5 minutes longer than their IGT. I think your intuition is betraying you in that assessment.

[plain river]

It probably is

[mighty scroll]

I can't get 4th aspect for anything because Achilles won't give me his stupid dialog

[cunning urchin]

I think it's a very intelligent dialogue.

[mighty scroll]

It probably is

[tight basin]

do you have 5 titan blood invested in nonzag aspects

[cunning urchin]

But I guess you wouldn't know since you haven't seen it.

[mighty scroll]

if I could get it

I have a fully maxed aspect of hades

[tight basin]

oh welp

unfortunate rng then lmao

[mighty scroll]

"Drhhrhrr Achilles must be on break"

[tight basin]

what you could do is keep dying repeatedly to get through his dialogue

[plain river]

Bruh

The anvil only wants to take away super novs

[tight basin]

well just tell it no

[mighty scroll]

Hypnos wondering why I'm dying to a spike trap 50 times

[cunning urchin]

Hidden spear is having 5 non-Zag aspects unlocked.

[mighty scroll]

Bruh

[plain river]

oh

[cunning urchin]

Not 5 blood invested.

[tight basin]

oh lmao well there's the issue then

[plain river]

Hold up

Lost double edge this time

Rng improvement

[tight basin]

you're not using the atk tho

[mighty scroll]

I have titan blood to spare

[tight basin]

if you have 4 to spare then you can get it

[plain river]

I’m resetting till it takes double edge and gives me double dova

[mighty scroll]

I have like, 6

[tight basin]

the second aspect only takes 1 to unlock iirc

[cunning urchin]

If you want some help with what aspects are good to unlock even at low levels, I made a guide for that. https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

[mighty scroll]

Hrnngngng

Too many words

[cunning urchin]

Bruh.

[mighty scroll]

Will read anyways

[tight basin]

i mean if the focus is to just get the hidden spear then just unlock the aspects and then later focus on whatever aspect

[mighty scroll]

Hades late game my butt

[tight basin]

but since you do have 6 you have a bit of leeway

[mighty scroll]

I'm 9 runs in and am balling with it

[tight basin]

the late game is referring to the fact that you need bounties in order to unlock them

not unlock, level up rather

[mighty scroll]

Lemme do math

Hmmmmmmm

[plain river]

You need like

[tight basin]

5, 15, 16 titan blood respectively for each aspect

[plain river]

306 titan blood overall

For all aspects

[mighty scroll]

That's a lot of blood

[cunning urchin]

"Late game" basically means sometime after your first clear.

[tight basin]

yeah but you can get a lot of titan blood through prophecies and bounties

each run can give you 3 if you trade away the ambrosia, every other run gives you 4 because 2 diamonds = 1 ambrosia = 1 titan blood

[mighty scroll]

I've gotten to the point that ||persephone|| doesn't want me coming back

[tight basin]

well keep playing

[mighty scroll]

Just in case anyone is reading

[tight basin]

there's a lot more left to do

[cunning urchin]

Don't need to use spoiler tags in this channel btw, only gotta use spoiler tags in #h1-for-new-players.

[plain river]

Lost super nova for double nova technically improvement but noooo anvil you can do better than that

[mighty scroll]

Oh

[tight basin]

well you dont need super for the boss fight, double is more dps

super is bigger radius and 20% more damage right

[plain river]

double nova is more dps

[tight basin]

double just makes you lose knockback, which isn't necessary for dad

[plain river]

But I want both

[mighty scroll]

I think extreme measure theseus is dumb

[tight basin]

well don't be greedy smh

[mighty scroll]

I don't like it

[plain river]

Backwards

[cunning urchin]

Before your first clear, you only get 6 Titan Bloods from the Fury fight—one with each weapon. And potentially you get a couple more from trading in Ambrosia or buying from Charon's Shop. But you typically have 6 Titan Blood and maybe at most 12 from trades. So anything that requires more than 12 is "late game" in that guide.

[mighty scroll]

I mean, drifting around the arena in a chariot is cool and all, but me getting doodoo'd on isn't

[tight basin]

don't like it as in, you think the concept is weird or you cant beat it

[plain river]

I think rng manip depends on how many attacks/specials/casts I do before hammer pick up

[tight basin]

idk how any of it works lmao you can figure that out if you want

i just dont buy anvils

[plain river]

yessss

lost double edge got double noba

[tight basin]

yo based

what's the third hammer

i hope it's dash nova

[plain river]

flurry slash

[tight basin]

gross

[cunning urchin]

Speedrunners everywhere in shambles.

[mighty scroll]

I stopped buying them after it screwed me over for the 275th time

[plain river]

It’s special only

[cunning urchin]

I know.

[plain river]

so I’m not dstriking

[tight basin]

to be fair

if you were speedrunning special only

i'd argue dash nova is good

[cunning urchin]

Special spam was the speedrun meta for Stygius for some time in Early Access.

[plain river]

This is

Actually strong

Wtf

[tight basin]

lmfao what's your % modifier

[cunning urchin]

The recovery of the Special was stupid.

As in, stupid good.

[tight basin]

absolutely based

[plain river]

Uh

I’m hitting 174 damage per special * 2 cuz double novs

plus 20% chance to crit from deadly reversal

[cunning urchin]

Haelian should have some vids up of that if you wanna see lol.

[tight basin]

does double nova hit one after another or does it lump itself into 1 hit btw i dont remember

i also dont remember what it does to double edge lmao

[plain river]

one adter the other

[tight basin]

damn can't get a fat crit

but crit goes hard still

[plain river]

Oh my gosssssh

Its over

[tender latch]

Why must they nerf sword

sob

[plain river]

?

[tender latch]

Seeing as how this isn't the case anymore, seems like a pretty straight nerf

[cunning urchin]

I'd say it's in a better place now tbh. The game was pretty rough still then lol.

[plain river]

Why do you think that

Whoops replied to message right above the one I wanted to

[tight basin]

Cover more ground and can function as a third dash

[lucid oar]

https://youtu.be/ouaphQmfk04 ill put this here too, pretty proud of this kill

[strange lark]

couldve been sub 20 if you used pstatus

[lucid oar]

yeah

[sweet blade]

Does Hermes' keepsake adjust the time for Jury Summons?

[lucid oar]

No

[sweet blade]

damn

[plain river]

Flying cutter good or flying cutter bad

On demeter

Other options are kinetic launcher and draining cutter

This is second hammer first hammer was breaching cross

[twin cloak]

Draining

Idk special hammers are all zzz

[plain river]

Is kinetic launcher bad?

[proven osprey]

Nah it's alright especially on Demeter

A bit weird to get used to but pretty good

[plain river]

I feel like people never recommend it when talking about demeter but like maybe thats just me not seeing it

[charred frost]

What could you say is the best aspect for each weapon hmmm

[proper furnace]

Best for what

[plain river]

zag zag zag zag dem zag

[tender latch]

Respectively? Nem, Achilles, Beo/Zeus, Rama, Demeter, Eris/Hestia

But bow is all around great

Zag bow is good, Hera deletes things, Rama is goated

[proven osprey]

It's because explosive upper and breaching cross are very powerful options

[tender latch]

Does explosive dem cause several explosions

[plain river]

Yes

[tender latch]

Incredible

Absolutely phenomenal

[tight basin]

I like how you ignored Chiron lmao

[tender latch]

What real reason is there to run chiron

Like if you want single target damage all the other bows do it better

Chiron is nice when you're new or just want to turn your brain off

Zag bow crits will smack, hera blows up single targets, and rama is literally just discount thanatos

In this house we encourage chiron slander

[tight basin]

for the satisfaction of seeing many arrows hit a single target

it's not a good aspect but damn is it nice

[tender latch]

Rama does that 😩

[tight basin]

okay but does it go in a nice arc

also rama only has 4 from the special

[tender latch]

Chiron buff: make every arrow from the special do the damage of a perfect shot

So... 560 per special 🧠

easy

[tight basin]

good buff

[strange lark]

Zag sword zag spear chaos shield chiron bow Gilgamesh fists zag rail

[fresh rover]

damn what's your setup?

[lucid oar]

Aspect of Beowulf, level 8 Poseidon flare, charged shot, mirage shot, epic chaos % cast damage

[fresh rover]

damn the charged shot is giant, for some reason i thought didn't go that wide

[tender latch]

All of this before elysium 😩

[lucid oar]

It gets really wide when you load a cast with level 5 Beowulf, I think it’s 100% wider

[fresh rover]

ohh the level on beowulf affects it?

[lucid oar]

Yep, damage and area

[fresh rover]

o good to know, gotta max out my beowulf then

[plain river]

Yup

+20% additive damage and size per level

when cast loaded

[final flicker]

what cast should i use if i'm running hera

[tender latch]

Aphrodite is a very good one, since it doesn't care about rarity and just wants a bunch of poms

[final flicker]

👍

[tender latch]

Actually

In depth guide here

#h1-discussion message

[soft kiln]

i don't suppose concentrated knuckle makes % gods worth taking on demeter

or arty?

like does concentrated knuckle make arty attack good? or heavy knuckle even

[grand zenith]

Arty?

[soft kiln]

artemis

[proper furnace]

It prob can work?

Prob better on talos

[soft kiln]

wait which one or both?

[proper furnace]

Oh wait conc knucle

Nah

It resets the bonus on dash strikes

[soft kiln]

i could just take c1 kinetic but i thought maybe i could try something

oh that's annoying

how about heavy knuckle then?

[proper furnace]

Ik is a build with talos, no clue on dem

[soft kiln]

oh cause talos gives like bonus damage on pull or something right?

[proper furnace]

I dont think i'll be that good cuz it takes longer for giga cutter

And yeah 50% dmg

[soft kiln]

i'll give up and take talos in should be the same seed?

could be fun

[proper furnace]

If you want

[grand zenith]

Ah.

Wait, can u play as other gods?

[proper furnace]

Demeter fists

Aspect of the weapon

[grand zenith]

O

[soft kiln]

i was asking if artemis boons are good with aspect of demeter if you take concentrated knuckle or heavy knuckle

because teh attacks are normally 15 damage each, which doesn't scale well but the hammers increase base damage

[grand zenith]

Kk.

[soft kiln]

@proper furnace lol so that actually changed the seed but i still got heavy knuckle in c1 XD

[proper furnace]

Nice

[strong dune]

Any Achilles spear builds out there?

[plain river]

Hunting blades

Or artemis attack

actually those can be synonymous

hope for flurry jab

[high trench]

@strong dune Try out a Demeter cast build with Crystal Clarity and Glacial Glare for an ez win.

[plain river]

Need arctic blast for memebeams

[grand zenith]

Imagine trying to die because u get back more health with Stubborn Defiance and the AI is so bad it can’t even touch you.

[proper furnace]

Elysium moment?

[grand zenith]

Indeed.

[proper furnace]

One time i cleared a chamber while waiting for the archers to kill me

The arrow traps killed them

[grand zenith]

Lel.

[grand zenith]

Already back at Elysium.

[sweet blade]

Can you scale the flat damage from Hoarding Slash via crit boons?

[dreamy prism]

nope

[sweet blade]

damn, so only attack speed and the one hammer upgrade work for boosting DPS?

[dreamy prism]

not sure what that one hammer upgrade is

[sweet blade]

The one that replaces your regular attack combo with the very fast one that has a lower base damage

I forgot its name

[dreamy prism]

lots of things can boost your dps

hoarding slash specifically adds flat damage at the very end of damage calculation that cannot be increased in any way

[plain river]

I’m a bit iffy on how hoarding slash works after hearing so much from so many people about it

Might have to actually use it myself to check

Since everyone wants to say it does something different

[dreamy prism]

rip having to use hoarding

[plain river]

Sacrificing myself for science

[plain river]

So

On nemesis

With 230 obols

230/20=11.5

My crits before I got hoarding slash did 99 damage

Afterwards did 111

So I’m fairly certain it’s flat damage after crit but I need to check a few more times

[lone jetty]

It is flat damage after crits. It’s in the category the game considers “extra” damage which is like the last thing in the damage calculation https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eWrbcMIPSAkFhfDHOtOKEmcYxGfHE5ctP2hBehXUEU4/edit

Hoarding Slash bonus and the Merciful End bonus 40 damage are the only things in that category

[plain river]

Rad so like

Definitively

[lone jetty]

So the damage from Hoarding Slash has no way to scale other than get more coins. It’s unaffected by damage percentage boosts and can’t crit

[plain river]

is good to know

[plain river]

Dedge would double it’s effect by doubling your dash strike

[lone jetty]

True that’s another way to scale

[rugged gulch]

anyone around?

[plain river]

No

[high trench]

Ephemerally.

[dreamy prism]

that's not done yet right

[rugged gulch]

wondering how best to play shield.

because build pathing has me left confused like crazy.

?_?

[plain river]

Which shield?

Regardless every single one wants charged shot

[rugged gulch]

anything but the hidden aspect.

[rugged gulch]

luckily, my run has it.

at least the seed.

had to give up a few times because of miss clicks.

[plain river]

Build smair good 👍 aphro strike zeus call

[rugged gulch]

but iDunno wot keep sakes to go with.

smair?

[plain river]

(Sm)ouldering (air)

[plain river]

Meant zeus call not zeus attack whoops

[plain river]

Aphro/zeus duo makes call charge 5% a second caps call at 25% charge

[rugged gulch]

oh that.

I mean.

does that really work with shield?

[plain river]

Yes

[strange lark]

why tho

[rugged gulch]

don't have it yet.

[strange lark]

🗿

[plain river]

unbased reason

[rugged gulch]

I mean.

I'm trying to get it.

while I don't have it yet however.

wondering if I should go zag or zeus.

since chaos seems ass.

[plain river]

If it’s zeus shield you can do something like aphrodite strike zeus special dio call

[plain river]

True

[cunning urchin]

Works on everything, top tier on everything.

[tight basin]

Zag is certified aspect of cshot, Zeus shield can run cshot too if you don't want to use the special gimmick

[cunning urchin]

Zag and Zeus are both great aspects.

[plain river]

Smair is really good everywhere not reason why it wouldn’t work with shield

[cunning urchin]

Chaos is good because it's a shield but easily the worst shield.

[plain river]

Zeus shield just takes a bit of getting used to

[rugged gulch]

regardless of keepsake, bottom 2 are always epic it seems for me.

and It's always the special - cast - dash.

[plain river]

📈

[rugged gulch]

._.

[plain river]

Called rng

Just have good rng I guess

[rugged gulch]

💢 💢 💢 💢 💢

[plain river]

📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉

[plain river]

This is what rng manipulation is for

/s

[rugged gulch]

how2best manipulate.

because the special is white rarity.

[cunning urchin]

That's because you're giving up, so you always get the same seed.

[rugged gulch]

I mean.

what else do I do?

[plain river]

Lmao I thought they just meant every run they played

if you give up it’s same seed yeah

[cunning urchin]

Dying gives you a new seed on the next run.

[rugged gulch]

but it forces a new weapon use.

and I have to be shield.

because I want that damn hidden aspect.

tho idk how to get it.

It's the last hidden aspect I'm missing.

[cunning urchin]

You don't have to change your weapon.

[plain river]

You don’t have to change your weapon what

Or are you following the dark thirst

[rugged gulch]

I like to be efficient by retaining the +20% darkness + gemstone buff.

😐

[rugged gulch]

ye.

[strange lark]

following dark thirst

[plain river]

True efficiency is playing the aspects you want

if you good with it you’re more likely to finish the run

more likely to get all the bounties

[cunning urchin]

If you want efficiency, just finish the run. Doesn't matter if your fist boon isn't perfect, shouldn't stop you from clearing.

[plain river]

Just hit rare crop c2 it ain’t hard

[rugged gulch]

c2?

[plain river]

chamber 2

[rugged gulch]

good idea.

I'll try it now.

[cunning urchin]

Common is fine.

[strange lark]

bro dont do that

[rugged gulch]

?

[plain river]

What are you using

[cunning urchin]

It's not like you're trying to set a speedrun WR or do 50+ Heat or something.

[rugged gulch]

zag aspect shield.

[strange lark]

getting rare crop c2 was a joke

[rugged gulch]

50...heat?

[rugged gulch]

oh

lol.

[plain river]

do you not know what heat is

have you not finished a run yet?

[rugged gulch]

I only know that it adds a threshold.

[strange lark]

i havent finished a run

[plain river]

Based

[cunning urchin]

#h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers.

[strange lark]

thanks

[plain river]

So this isn’t real? #h1-victory-boasting message

[strange lark]

no

[plain river]

Hmm

[tight basin]

Scammed

[cunning urchin]

Anyway, if the Dash that's offered is always epic, you might as well grab Poseidon's keepsake and take Tidal Dash.

[plain river]

Spending 5 minutes rng manipulating an anvil lol

Just like me fr

[strange lark]

rng maniping anvils are the best way to play hades

[plain river]

It took me so long to make it take away dedge instead of super nova and give me double nova

[cunning urchin]

Could already be in Asphodel on your next run instead.

[plain river]

And have a minute to spare even

My tarts are

Slow

There is definitely a lot more time save I can make in tart than any other area

[tight basin]

5 min tart is td3 tho

Oh wait

[plain river]

I take like 4 minutes to complete tart

[tight basin]

I'm illiterate I missed a line

[strange lark]

imagine not getting sub2 tarts every run

[tight basin]

Imagine getting a sub 2 tart

[tender latch]

I've done it like three times ever

Just get the boons

[tight basin]

get a tart mirage on beo

[plain river]

It ain’t a boon issue

[tender latch]

Plus cshot

[plain river]

It’s a skill issue

[tender latch]

Not with cshot

Just

[tight basin]

just get the skills™️

[tender latch]

Point at enemies as they spawn

[twin cloak]

If chaos is the worst where is beo 61 heat ???

I thought so.

[dreamy prism]

zeus *should run cshot too

[tight basin]

True

[fresh rover]

does patroclus attack boost boost dash attacks too?

[tight basin]

I believe so

[grand zenith]

Which one?

[tight basin]

wdym

[grand zenith]

I got Demeter cast and Artemis CAll if that matter btw.

[tight basin]

ah

wait what are you even asking about

[grand zenith]

Oh.

I can't send pics here.

[tight basin]

embeds

paste it to a different server and copy link

[grand zenith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1018000634148048997/unknown.png?width=882&height=702

Boom.

[tight basin]

what aspect is this

[grand zenith]

None, I ain’t got those yet.

[tight basin]

rolling knuckle then

[grand zenith]

Ig Aspect of Zagreus.

Thanks.

[fresh rover]

is there somewhere where i can see the remaining summon count for companions?

[random relic]

yeah

right above cores

[tight basin]

if you can't see the number that means you used all of them lol

[fresh rover]

where is the number tho?

[dreamy prism]

right below the companion icon

[fresh rover]

ohh ok i se eit

[pallid walrus]

can someone give me some good boons to use for an arthur build please thankyou

[dreamy prism]

aphro attack, whatever

zeus anything -> smoldering air + zeus/dio/poseidon call is a great flowchart after this

or you could hunker down into full defense mode with athena dash

[tight basin]

zeus anything but the special

generally call for an easy lead up to smair

[acoustic vale]

Literally all you need is aphro attack. Everything else is just a bonus

[plain river]

I have ricochet fire what happens if I take piercing fire as well

hmmmm

Also piercing fire flurry fire or targetting system it’s hestia second hammer after takingn ricochet fire

Oh so it just

Doesn’y pierce

That’s funny

I’ll hope for anvil in styx

It still pierces shields but

Not enemies due to ricocheting

[iron barn]

does it not pierce the second foe

[plain river]

Uh

Don’t remember but I don’t think it was

[iron barn]

😔

[soft kiln]

if i have vengeful mood, ME, curse of vengeance and athena revenge, will it just trigger doom and blow it up every few seconds automatically?

[plain river]

I think holy shield has a much smaller aoe than curse of vengeance

but I think they hit at the same ish time so it insta drops

[strange lark]

if you picked up curse of vengeance first then it will proc first

so then you want holy shield

if you get it in that order it will insta proc ME im pretty sure

[plain river]

Then just face tank dad lasers during dad fight to instaphase 🧠🧠🧠🧠

[iron barn]

is that actually how revenge priority works bruh

thats goofy

[turbid needle]

What's a good build for the shield for someone who's never beaten Hades

[tender latch]

Do you want to actually punch things in the face, or use the shield for the broken defense and run away while blocking/throwing

[turbid needle]

Either or

[tender latch]

If you want to run away, ares doom on your special is very easy and you can focus entirely on dodging

[turbid needle]

What if I want the enemies to say

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[plain river]

depends on the shield you’re using but not much

You want charged shot on all shields

[tight basin]

aphrodite atk, pray for charged shot hammer, get zeus call and get smouldering air

[tender latch]

imagine if duo boons were only unlocked after beating hades once

[tight basin]

fresh file runners in shambles

[magic dagger]

not getting merciful end is already bad
if I also couldn't get deadly reversal to make up for it on those runs...

I'd have a bad time

probably have to go to third or fourth run so I could at least have hammers

[mighty scroll]

I've been sucking off chaos for 5 runs now trying to get the aspect fo beowulf with no signs of it happening any time soon, but I get 1 Artemis boon just so I can continue and she says "hey you should tell your bow that you see it drawn in the arms of the seventh avatar, it'll be funny lol"

Wait a minute, this is builds and combat

Oh well

[tender latch]

Rama is way cooler than beowulf anyway just main rama

[tight basin]

You're sure you got the titan blood reqs right

[spare flare]

Been away for a while. Last patch seems to be just a Steam Deck fix. Have any new techniques been developed? Any change in the meta choices? Anything different at all?

[soft kiln]

there's a mod that adds apollo boons

[spare flare]

So screw Switch players, right?

[magic dagger]

it's fine just do more runs

it's either a prerequisite you don't have, or you haven't rolled(?) the right dialogue

either way, the fix is doing more runs

[soft kiln]

because the mod creator didn't also figure out a way to mod switches? i donno

[twin cloak]

No mods work on switch

You just have to hack it to access the game files

[spare flare]

And not go online with that Switch anymore.

[soft kiln]

if i have smair and quick favor is it worth selling poseidon call to pick up zeus call?

i also have sea storm and poseidon call is lvl 3

just not sure how much stronger zeus call is

[plain river]

selling probably not because you don’t know if you’ll find zeus call

No guarantee that you even see zeus again if you’ve already forced him

[strange lark]

just keep the call

[spare flare]

If you have Sea Storm, I can't imagine why you're even asking.

[plain river]

Zeus call >>> pos call but not worth selling pos call because there is a chance you won’t ever see zeus call

[spare flare]

Anything that's gonna' boost a Zeus call to ridiculous levels will do the same to the bolts from Sea Storm.

[plain river]

Not really sea storm isn’t nearly as fast as zeus csll

[soft kiln]

are you just trying to be as caustic as possible or what

[plain river]

Thanks for a new vocabulary word

[spare flare]

What's caustic about that? Sheesh.

Don't be oversensitive.

[strange lark]

i mean it was a good question

zeus with smair is insanely powerful

[plain river]

I would call myself caustic 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[spare flare]

I'm legitimately saying that you should consider the presence of Sea Storm to be the easy answer to your question, is all.

[plain river]

definitely

[soft kiln]

every one of your replies has been agressive when people were just giving you information and now when i ask an honest question you say it like i'm stupid

[spare flare]

Every one of my replies? Did we not just meet?

[plain river]

Sea storm is going to be like

One bolt or 2 against bosses per pos call

[strange lark]

you can also unlock sea storm with zeus attack

[plain river]

compared to zeus call

[soft kiln]

https://imgur.com/a/BEyPx6a

[spare flare]

Mm, with Smair, yeah, that part's true.

[strange lark]

so the only boon you can get that will make sea storm better is jolted

[spare flare]

This is toxic to you?

[soft kiln]

https://imgur.com/p8W4T4x

[spare flare]

What the actual blood and darkness is your idea of toxicity?

[plain river]

that’s literally not toxic

It’s true fact

If you hack a switch you can’t go online with it anymore yes?

[spare flare]

Yeah, because Nintendo will ban you from NSO and won't refund you.

[plain river]

but like

Switch modding ain’t really a big thing

I don’t think there is any real way to do it with not being able to go online with it any mor

I would say the nintendo switch interaction wasn’t toxic

I can’t see how one could view it as toxic

[lucid oar]

Sea storm really doesn’t do a whole lot for poseidon call

+40 on something doing 250 minimum is eh

[spare flare]

The most that you could say, and even this is a lot more of a case of tone-policing than legitimately interpreting toxicity, is that I carry a bit of a smartass tone. You have no business calling me toxic, though.

[plain river]

Sea storm doesn’t make pos call into zeus call at all

like

tf

[strange lark]

ares call tho

[spare flare]

This is true, but, like, it's a matter of giving up a decent call with at least one and most likely more (full build undisclosed) synergistic boons with it for a chance to spend an additional boon later on a better call.

[plain river]

What if curse of drowning was pos call instead of pos cast lmao

[strange lark]

that would be cool

[plain river]

Honestly I don’t think sea storm really matters here I think having smair is enough and shouldn’t sell pos call in hopes of seeing zeus again because no guarantee you see zeus call

Just hope to exchange pos call for zeus call

[spare flare]

It's not that Sea Storm turns Pos call into Zeus call; it's that, if you have enough Zeus synergy that Zeus call is super attractive, it's wiser to work with what you have and enjoy that synergy in the toned-down form of Sea Storm plus whatever other bolts you're using.

[lucid oar]

I’d rather have Zeus call with Poseidon on something that actually procs quickly

Like attack

[spare flare]

Yeah, hoping for an exchange-upgrade would be great, I think.

[strange lark]

call exchange very nice

(you cant get call exchanges)

[spare flare]

Oh, you can't! That's right. I forgot.

[plain river]

You can’t

[spare flare]

[plain river]

I thought uou could for some reason idk

[soft kiln]

😮

[plain river]

how fast do you empty the mag on zag rail with flurry fire?

[strange lark]

2 seconds

[plain river]

Ah zag rail with no spreadfire or zeus attack in tart is so sad

[lucid oar]

Yeppers

[strange lark]

thats why you do ares attack start

[plain river]

true

ME zag rail

C’mon where is my first hammer

or at least another dem boon for arctic blast

[strange lark]

its in aspho

[plain river]

oh my gosh why is it a bunch of savior skulls

This is such a cursed tart

[strange lark]

thats why you do poseidon cast start

[plain river]

I need to stop running meme builds at 32 heat

Due to my skissue

Shackle arthur at 32 heat will surely work better than demeter attack zag rail

Dash strike damage or back stab damage on arthur

I don’t have dedge yet so I think back stab damage is the safer option

[strange lark]

do special only

[plain river]

other option is 4 chambers of hidden rewards for +107% special damage

[plain river]

Bet

[tight basin]

Just get the rooms

[plain river]

epic zeus aid thank you chaos

unironicslly using mistral dash rn because fo2 arthur is not fun

[soft kiln]

i didn't realize arthur was ever fun :p

[plain river]

Skill issue ig

Arthur is fun at lower heats

Noooooo

[soft kiln]

it just feels so clunky to me. i hate that lack of mobility

[plain river]

I might actually have to spend darkness on fated authority here because I want to do a no boon run

that would be mega sad

I was gonna upgrade it after maxing resource director

[tight basin]

This is exactly why i don't know how newer players like Arthur lmao it feels like you're dragging 50 bricks

[random relic]

exactly

like eris so speedy

[plain river]

hmm

[strange lark]

eris isnt speedy it doesnt even have a sub5

[plain river]

Something feels off

[tight basin]

Gilga is speedy because more dashes

[plain river]

Boonless zag sword with first hammer world splitter isn’t cursed at all

[random relic]

yeah but short dashes

[tight basin]

That's okay sometimes less is more

[twin cloak]

Eris has a 3:30 smh

[strange lark]

not even sub2

[tight basin]

I mean big chop goes great with shackle

It's like worse arthur

[plain river]

180 big chop

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur is still by far one of the easiest for 32 Heat. But don't pick FO2.

[plain river]

I just used 4 room rerolls in a row

[strange lark]

skill issue

[plain river]

I had fo2 and js1 and dc1 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

[tight basin]

Absolutely mega brain

[cunning urchin]

I see you enjoy self-sabotage.

[plain river]

I was using my fists pact

[cunning urchin]

"What's a good strategy? Let me do the opposite of that."

[plain river]

So

HL 5 is probably run on arthur 32 right

[cunning urchin]

You don't have to but it's fine yeah.

[plain river]

means I don’t have to run other stuff

[cunning urchin]

Yup.

But less tanky.

[plain river]

not trying to use the thing that makes everything more expensive

[cunning urchin]

Start Heartbreak Strike for Weak.

You can try if you're more comfortable with HL5 FO0 or HL2 FO1.

[plain river]

I’m trying to figure out my pact I’m pretty sure mine is cursed overall

[cunning urchin]

I mean, don't do FO2 and don't do DC. And try to avoid making TD more difficult than it needs to be.

Oh yeah, no CP. CP bad.

[plain river]

I have cp2 as well 🧠🧠🧠

So there is a lot I need to take off

and I’m trying to figure out whya I need to put on instead

[acoustic vale]

Idk I run fo2 Arthur all the time without much issue. Then again I don't usually turn it off

[magic dagger]

whoever thought it was a good idea to make the final boss variant of strongbows fire nine times deserves to be ||promoted||

(||they are very effective||)

[random relic]

lol armored bowmen moment

they suck

[ashen obsidian]

Man I know that eris is supposed to be op

But i don't get it

[strange lark]

what build did you use

[ashen obsidian]

What

Whatever I get lol

Rougelike innit

[tight basin]

What do you put on the attack and special

[strange lark]

you can use keepsakes to guarantee boons from gods

[tight basin]

You can consistently get what you want on those two with keepsakes

[strange lark]

thats how you get specific builds

[ashen obsidian]

Well i'm leveling up keepsakes atm for achievements

[tight basin]

Not all of them are gonna be good on eris lmao

Pick weapons that work with them

[ashen obsidian]

But i don't have much particular idea for what to put on Rail
It's just weird most of the aspects are for the puny m1

And like i only find success if i get triple bomb

[tight basin]

Put Zeus attack and arty/aphro special

And then win

[tight basin]

Rocket and cluster are also good with eris

[dreamy prism]

athena attack delta chamber

[ashen obsidian]

I have had zeus attack before

I have in the run rn actually

Idk it's still just

Slow

Why does the cursor not line up

[dreamy prism]

are you using autoaim

[ashen obsidian]

With my bullets

[tight basin]

Are you standing in your special

[ashen obsidian]

No I play M&K

[dreamy prism]

oh so you're not using auto aim that's the issue

[ashen obsidian]

If I can without dying

[dreamy prism]

turn off attack at cursor, turn on auto aim

then gg

[ashen obsidian]

I stand in the special

But it takes forever

For like 2 seconds of extra damae

[tight basin]

it's 4

[ashen obsidian]

It's for everything yea

Ok 4

[tight basin]

and you can get a pretty consistent upkeep of it

[ashen obsidian]

I can't

Lol

[dreamy prism]

just turn off aim at cursor first

then see how you do

[strange lark]

use special to cancel reload animation

thats usually how you get perma buff

[ashen obsidian]

Not doing that but I appreciate the advice

[strange lark]

bruh

[dreamy prism]

bruh

it's objectively better just do it

[ashen obsidian]

Why can't zagreus just aim at the cursor

Lol

Istead of near it

[tight basin]

isometric gaming

[ashen obsidian]

Like he actually misses so much

Dumbass

[strange lark]

then just turn aim at cursor off

and turn auto aim on

[tight basin]

or you need to aim better

[strange lark]

fr

[ashen obsidian]

I didn't know that worked

I aim fine lmao

[dreamy prism]

is your attack at cursor off yet

[tight basin]

well evidently not if you're not hitting the targets

[ashen obsidian]

K k

I'm pointing at enemy

[random relic]

i thought eris was garbage until i turned off attack at cursor

[ashen obsidian]

Zag misses

Game issues lol

[dreamy prism]

so your attack at cursor is still on

[random relic]

it still allows you to aim the special when you turn off attack at cursor

[ashen obsidian]

Yep

[strange lark]

did you know that there is a solution for that

[dreamy prism]

well you can lead a horse to water

jesus christ

[ashen obsidian]

I'm not home

Btw

[strange lark]

ok

[ashen obsidian]

So i can't exactly change it

[dreamy prism]

ok

[strange lark]

when you play again

change it

[random relic]

please do

[strange lark]

[dreamy prism]

absolutely incredible eris discussion right here

[ashen obsidian]

Supergiant "Play on controller"

God I hate controller

[strange lark]

ok

[tight basin]

the game can be played easily on both

[random relic]

nah you dont need to play on controller lol

[strange lark]

eris sucks

[ashen obsidian]

I know

[random relic]

all of us here play on kbm lol

[tight basin]

wait yeah lmfao

[ashen obsidian]

Good

[dreamy prism]

@lucid oar thoughts on controller being trash?

[strange lark]

i play on kb no m

[tight basin]

kb no m is budget controller

and absolutely based

[lucid oar]

Thoughts on boon% and midshop traversal

[dreamy prism]

I play on m no kb

[dreamy prism]

thoughts on dash at cursor tech

[lucid oar]

Thoughts on the aspect of hestia

Wait

Hera

[ashen obsidian]

But I like aiming so turning on auto aim will feel dumb but i'll try it

[random relic]

thoughts on not being able to dash strike in a different direction than the one you dashed

[ashen obsidian]

I love Hera

[dreamy prism]

lmao controller bow users in shambles

[strange lark]

hestia still kinda sucks on kbm

[dreamy prism]

you kinda suck on kbm

[strange lark]

true

[ashen obsidian]

Zag is a lot more accurate with a bow than he is wuth a gun at leadt

Which one os hestia

[lucid oar]

Thoughts on seeing .9x on boon pick-up and getting excited

[tight basin]

empowered shot rail

sniper rail on reload

[ashen obsidian]

Ah

Never tried it

[strange lark]

you can get a .9 boon pick up?????????

[tight basin]

hestia bestia

[lucid oar]

What even is a good boon pick-up for kbm

[dreamy prism]

it sucks

[ashen obsidian]

Out of blood anyway

It sounds likenit sucks

[tight basin]

i thought below 1.5 was good lmao

[ashen obsidian]

It's onlt level 1 rn

For me

[tight basin]

because it's lvl 1

[twin cloak]

how do people play this game kb only