if i dont have poseidon boons or anything with massive aoe i get clapped so hard in styx
#h1-builds-and-combat
hard briar
random relic
huh, interesting
dreamy prism
if i dont have poseidon boons or anything with massive aoe i get clapped so hard...
try the spearpoint
it's really good vs poison
hard briar
whats the spear point?
dreamy prism
patroclus keepsake
random relic
i personally dont recommend spearpoint, id say just whenever you get hit with poison, you should pause and look for the nearest fountain
cunning urchin
if i dont have poseidon boons or anything with massive aoe i get clapped so hard...
Yeah, good builds always factor in Satyr tunnels.
tight basin
Tdash breaking wave gaming
hard briar
would you dudettes say zeus is best for rama? i been wanting to try something else for rama but always end up going that route again
cunning urchin
m not a guy. 
dreamy prism
zeus is great on rama special
tight basin
Aphro/arty atk is what you'd want on rama but you don't have to start with it because base atk rama is more than enough for tart
cunning urchin
Lightning, Doom, Hangover are all great on Rama Special.
dreamy prism
yep and even demeter
lucid oar
Poseidon 😈
tight basin
Theoretically could do aphro special arty atk for heart rend but that sounds like overkill
hard briar
my next favorite is chaos shield which i also end up using zeus for D:
cunning urchin
It's not great, but it works.
hard briar
dont like to play favorites but zeus seems to always be present
im getting bored of him
tight basin
May I interest you in flood flare beo then
Because Zeus is absolutely awful for Beowulf
hard briar
all the times ive done beowolf was with trippy flare on my cast
tight basin
Trippy beo is good but requires a lot of rng
cunning urchin
I always start Heartbreak Strike on Rama and then just pick up Lightning, Doom, Hangover for Special, whichever I see first.
tight basin
Same
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish start is also pretty good and can quickly get poms on it that way.
hard briar
for chaos or beo?
lucid oar
Rama
hard briar
oh nice. i havent tried that yet i dont think, only time ive used drunken flourish is with chiron
cunning urchin
I mean, Drunken Flourish is decent enough on Chaos, too.
Aside from Chaos Aspect not being decent exactly.
hard briar
i most recently tried ares on chaos special that was pretty nice
cunning urchin
There's plenty of ideas without Lord Zeus here if you want to take a look. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
cunning urchin
I still find it amusing how the guide singles out one Talos build as being from me when they're all from me except for Merciful End, and several of the other builds are also from me. 
left wyvern
Does hoarding slash apply before or after crit damage?
lucid oar
After
left wyvern
thanks
acoustic vale
If I were to use mods or cheats to force delta chamber onto Lucifer, would that function or no?
Also: if I'm planning to take all aspects to 20 heat for bounties, any advice on which pacts to take at various levels
dreamy prism
Also: if I'm planning to take all aspects to 20 heat for bounties, any advice on...
FO1-2, TD2-3
then standard stuff like UC MM BP1-2 EM3 etc
acoustic vale
Thank you
lucid oar
The bonus hoarding damage is added at the end
plain river
I swear it do crit
random relic
Hoarding slash can crit wdym
i now trust you on all game knowledge so i believe you
plain river
I vividly remember looking at damage numbers when I had hoarding slash on and it only made sense if it crit but like
I’ll try to find video proof since that was probably a month or longer ago
Maybe I’ll make my own video proof
who needs a win streak when resetting for hoarding slash first hammer for science anyways
tight basin
If I were to use mods or cheats to force delta chamber onto Lucifer, would that ...
The speedrunning mod just guarantees your first hammer to be eternal chamber, you'd have to find something else if you want that to be defualt luci
plain river
i now trust you on all game knowledge so i believe you
Thanks but like I wouldn’t trust me
I’m going to try to force hoarding slash on nem to see
Definitively figure out what the heck hoarding slash does
lucid oar
It still crits, it’s just that the bonus hoarding damage will not be multiplied by 3
lone jetty
Yeah Hoarding Slash bonus damage is like the last thing. It’s added after crits
plain river
Don’t ruin my excuse to pick up hoarding slash for a run by backing them up 
acoustic vale
The speedrunning mod just guarantees your first hammer to be eternal chamber, yo...
I was more curious whether delta chamber would function if it was forced onto it
random relic
you can force it with codex mod but i have no idea
plain river
Also legacy is truly a scam
fresh rover
do triple jab or extending jab screw up flurry jab?
tight basin
wiki says it doesn't
soft kiln
i don't think anything in the game is undead
cunning urchin
Well, dead.
soft kiln
So I'm on zag rail with zeus attack, epic poseidon special and tidal dash and i'm being offered purple jolt and sea storm
i'm guessing it's just sea storm but purple jolt is very tempting
random relic
id take jolted
tight basin
aphro and get her special
the spin gimmick isn't that great unless you get quick spin but still eh
look for charged skewer hammer
plain river
alternatively artemis special and look for chaos additive
tight basin
i hate relying on chaos because they never give me what i want with that weapon
rather they hardly do anyways
i always see +cast on every run except beo
plain river
ME guan-yu 🧠
random relic
aphro special is better than arty special on its own but arty doesnt care as much about rarity and scales way better with her t2s, chaos, hermes, and wells
so i prefer arty
but if you have one on special youre going to want to other on attack tbh
tight basin
that sounds terrible but ik it'd be good with bosses lmao
trying to spin atk a regular enemy just sends them away
i kinda want to do a spin atk guan yu run tho
cunning urchin
Which keepsake should I use for guan yu
I wrote a Guan Yu guide if you're interested. #h1-discussion message
cunning urchin
trying to spin atk a regular enemy just sends them away
Counterpoint: you'll get a lot of wall-slams from spinning enemies right against a wall.
tight basin
true but that'd also mean i'd have to find breaking wave
cunning urchin
Also nothing is gonna reach you, Tempest Strike knockback on Guan Yu spin is pretty ridiculous.
Wall-slams do pretty good damage even without Breaking Wave.
tight basin
really? how much do they normally do without it
i've always found it pretty negligible
cunning urchin
Scales with the biome. Enough to shred enemies.
cunning urchin
Wall-slam damage depends on velocity, too.
tight basin
tempest strike hestia sounds like it'd do a lot of damage on wall slams lmao
cunning urchin
I think the knockback on that is pretty bad.
tight basin
damn
cunning urchin
true but that'd also mean i'd have to find breaking wave
It is definitely a build where ideally you want to get all the t2 boons from Poseidon since that's where all your damage is coming from. So I think that Authority might actually be the better choice just to make sure you get more Poseidon.
twin cloak
super soaker gy lmao
soft kiln
@cunning urchin I was looking at your Demeter guide and you mention a build with curse of longing. I thought the consensus was that curse of longing isn't great if you're immediately reapplying anyway because it's less damage? Maybe I misunderstood how it works though
Also does authority reroll a gold into a gold or just into anything
proper furnace
Gold into gold
soft kiln
I kinda wanna try super soaker Rama special. Just keep them against a wall
cunning urchin
<@311477984886521856> I was looking at your Demeter guide and you mention a buil...
Yeah, so you don't just keep attacking the same enemy, you just spread it quickly with the Dash-Attack > Dash-Upper combo. You generally wanna just spread Doom anyway unless you have Merciful End.
There's also downtime in boss fights where Curse of Longing will keep doing damage.
Merciful End is obviously a stronger build, so if you start with Doom, that's what you'd go for. But if you're starting with anything from Lady Aphrodite and pick up Doom along the way, Curse of Longing can be decent enough.
And Curse of Agony is strong enough on Malphon that if you start Heartbreak Flourish and see Curse of Agony, you just pick it up.
The first two builds in that guide are basically two branches of one build. And you just go with what you find along the way.
sweet blade
I wanted to try a Lucifer special build, since I always ignore the special when using Exagryph, any recommendations on what boon to use?
iron barn
probably arte/aphro just for the raw damage
you need triple bomb
real talk: why does everyone hate gy spins so much
i get that its unsafe at high heat
but at lower heat you can just learn the aspect
and the damage output is honestly incredible even without hammers
at low heat i take massive spin over quick spin tbh
random relic
real talk: why does everyone hate gy spins so much
you get hit when using them
a lot
doesnt really matter the heat
iron barn
just learn the aspect 
iron barn
doesnt really matter the heat
disagree
random relic
and if youre going to use spin then quick spin is better so
a. you dont get hit and
b. you shoot more spins
random relic
just learn the aspect <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
what does this even mean?
iron barn
learn how to spin without getting hit?
like
timing
gy spins arent that much longer than a rama atk
random relic
rama attacks you can always shoot off early if you need to
random relic
and a big problem with gy spins is that you need to attack before you spin which adds a ton of frames
iron barn
charge from dash strike
random relic
you can spin early too,,,
yeah but then it does pretty bad damage
you are generally better off using the special
iron barn
rama also does less damage at lower charge
anyway why cant you build both atk and special
yknow, like the game is meant to be played
random relic
rama also does less damage at lower charge
yeah but a lot of the time itll still kill what youre aiming at because it has busted damage
random relic
yknow, like the game is meant to be played
also there is no "way the game is meant to be played"
and also you use dash strikes in between specials on gy
lucid oar
yeah
iron barn
its still just special spam
lucid oar
dash strikes do a solid amount
random relic
ok i just tried it gy spins take way longer to charge than rama attacks
even from dash strikes
iron barn
random relic
and also getting hit from charging spin is more punishing on gy then it is on rama
iron barn
gy special builds are just not fun for me
random relic
ok then dont use them
iron barn
so true
twin cloak
If I were to use mods or cheats to force delta chamber onto Lucifer, would that ...
that's about what i expected tbh
proper furnace
ew
tight basin
sounds like a bargain
twin cloak
flurry spread is insane lmao
plain river
Or delta spread
rugged gulch
does Swift Strike from Hermes affect the shield's Bull's Charge charging speed?
tight basin
Don't think so? Not sure but pretty sure
fresh rover
hrm so is there something in the game that very gradually adds enemies even without the pact of punishment? for some reason i don't rmbr seeing the mini medusa heads appearing in asphodel until semi-recently. is that tied to story progression or smth?
i also seem to be getting way more armored stuff and more enemy spawns even tho i don't have those pacts enabled
dreamy prism
hrm so is there something in the game that very gradually adds enemies even with...
runs over time will introduce a few more enemies
that progression stops very soon though
fresh rover
ah ok, do you know if it also increases enemy spawns? i swear the waves seem to be getting bigger
dreamy prism
don't think so
fresh rover
hrm maybe just in my head then..
dreamy prism
what run are you on?
fresh rover
also i'm getting a lot more armored flamewheels -.-
dreamy prism
and have you reached the surface
fresh rover
yeah i'm very far into the game
dreamy prism
huh weird
fresh rover
er don't rmbr exactly how many runs but maybe around 80?
dreamy prism
the chambers changing should be done by like run 10 max
fresh rover
what lol
dreamy prism
and then I think a few changes once you reach the surface
fresh rover
i reached the surface at run 30ish, i feel like i saw mini medusa heads around run 50-60? and then in my past 10 runs i swear i've seen more wave spawns. like usually it takes 2-3 waves (by wave i mean when you kill everything and then a new wave respawns), but now i'm seeing like 4??
maybe i'm just getting confused by my constantly changing pacts.. idk x.x
dreamy prism
yeah just make sure you're not fiddling with jury summons
fresh rover
does benefits pkg mess with spawn increases?
and middle management says +1 increase but i swear there are more than just 1 additional enemy lol
dreamy prism
I'm 90% sure it's not possible for BP to increase enemies per wave or number of waves
in fact I believe certain BP perks decrease enemies per wave
oh and MM only affects miniboss chambers and the changes are fixed
fresh rover
it says +1 but doesn't it spawn +2 in the tartarus bomber miniboss rooms?
dreamy prism
oh that's just how MM works
the +1 thing isn't really the rule
I think only in styx does it simply spawn another miniboss
fresh rover
oh i see... dammit got scammed
dreamy prism
yeah think of MM as just changing the minibosses
and since it affects just a few rooms usually not too bad for 2 heat it's really worth getting used to
dreamy prism
yep that's the nature of BP
fresh rover
as i have no idea what anything is doing and no time to figure it out during the run
dreamy prism
it's one of the hardest pacts for how much of a staple it is
fresh rover
someone recced it to me as an easy heat option but idunno lol
dreamy prism
it's not easy but it's worth too much
so high heaters just kinda have to deal with it
fresh rover
rly? 2 heat for every armored thing is pretty bad imo
dreamy prism
many of the perks aren't too bad
a few are awful and they're the scary ones but usually you're alright
fresh rover
which are the awful ones?
also does stuff like forced overtime apply to bosses & charon?
dreamy prism
yep, applies to every enemy
fresh rover
cuz charon with high attack speed scares me x_x
dreamy prism
arguably the worst perk is savior, the one that gives nearby enemies blue shields
sometimes it's irrelevant, other times you walk into a savior chamber and literally reset immediately
because you can't win
fresh rover
oh that bad?? dang
what about the increased dmg ones?
and how bad is jury summons / the life increase one
dreamy prism
that one is terrifying but you just don't get hit
fresh rover
mm yeah that's what i was thinking. normal rooms are aight but bosses kinda scary
dreamy prism
I think you're mixing things up
are you referring to the pact conditions now?
aka hard labor, jury summons, calisthenics program
fresh rover
ohh yeah sry i didn't realize the savior thing was a bp
dreamy prism
yep no problem
hard labor is rough but kinda mandatory at high heat
you can avoid it at 32 but you want it maxed for 40+
fresh rover
which pacts do you think are the worst
dreamy prism
jury summons is also rough depending on the build, its main issue is that it just slows you down
good timing because the other pact you mentioned is one of the worst
fresh rover
the calisthenics?
dreamy prism
calisthenics program is devastating and should be avoided until 50+
dreamy prism
it affects every enemy including bosses
the higher the heat the more CP hits like a truck
dreamy prism
there's a reason the highest heat ever is all the pacts maxed except CP1
yeah annoying at low heat, game ending at high heat
fresh rover
ok that makes sense
dreamy prism
the other pact that's horrifying is routine inspection
every level is only 2 heat and absolutely neuters you
fresh rover
what does that do?
fresh rover
ah lol yeah nvr choosing that one
dreamy prism
so the very first level takes away your rerolls, legacy/pride, and dark foresight
all for 2 heat
fresh rover
hm how bad is dmg control
dreamy prism
that heavily depends on the build
but in general I'd say it's worse than you think
I would take it if your main damage is a zeus thing like zeus attack rail
otherwise avoid
fresh rover
oh it sounds very bad to me lol
dreamy prism
I applaud you for that
fresh rover
ah ok makes sense since those have rly high as
dreamy prism
most players gravitate towards DC thinking it's free
fresh rover
hm so besides EM, FO, tight deadline, and maybe MM/BP, what's the next 3 easiest pacts?
i'm gonna start having to add some outside that soon and i rly don't want to lol
random relic
i reached the surface at run 30ish, i feel like i saw mini medusa heads around r...
im not sure that its possible to get more than 3 waves per chamber, although that may change with ranks of js. what sometimes happens though is that when you kill an enemy another one will spawn in immediately after, and that counts as the same wave. the game has a limit to the "amount" of enemies that can be on screen at once
fresh rover
maybe approval process...?
random relic
amb
anyways i wouldnt take ap1 until like ~40, optimally
getting the stuff you want crossed out sometimes can be really detrimental
fresh rover
im not sure that its possible to get more than 3 waves per chamber, although tha...
oh yeah maybe i've just gotten rly good at killing htem on spawn and it feels longer lol
proper furnace
Ap2 ri4 em4 optimal
proper furnace
getting the stuff you want crossed out sometimes can be really detrimental
Emotional dmg
fresh rover
rmacinty?
dreamy prism
a prolific cheater
jk
he just has a funny clip showing why approval process 2 is awful
strange lark
Ap2 ri4 em4 optimal
yoptimal even
fresh rover
oh lol
fresh rover
is em4 horrible hah
proper furnace
Is 10 heat for a reason
strange lark
em4 free 10 heat
fresh rover
oh god i didn't even know it was 10 heat lol, nvr bothered looking
proper furnace
Em4 optimal 10 heat pact
random relic
its certainly still really hard below 25 and not worth it over other pacts but not in the same way it is at like 32+
dreamy prism
honestly I'd say EM4 is a pact you shouldn't take at low heat depending on your other pact
not just based on a number
random relic
oh god i didn't even know it was 10 heat lol, nvr bothered looking
maxed em is 10 heat, em3->em4 is 4 heat
fresh rover
why?
dreamy prism
like it's a combination of how TD HL LC FO interact
fresh rover
it's better to take it on high heat? o_O
dreamy prism
well at a certain point you're just out of options
proper furnace
Cuz other options are awful
random relic
like it's a combination of how TD HL LC FO interact
yeah exactly dont take it if you have any of these
dreamy prism
it's often superdad or you lose your whole mirror and stuff like that
strange lark
like it's a combination of how TD HL LC FO interact
HS scary with em4 too
proper furnace
At low heat super dad is fun ngl
dreamy prism
HS always scary
strange lark
casual 3 pot stack
strange lark
HS always scary
em4 makes it even scarier
proper furnace
Em4 and the double pot in 1 place is scary
random relic
i think 32ish is the point where pacts start to stack up with eachother
fresh rover
honestly i know HS is supposed to be free but i can't not step on traps so... rip
random relic
and then it becomes really obvious at 40 when most of the time youre taking fo2+lc4+hl5
random relic
honestly i know HS is supposed to be free but i can't not step on traps so... ri...
hs is definitely not free heat
fresh rover
heh so if i want to fulfill my prophecy i just run only em4 and nothing else ? :P
random relic
but learning to avoid traps can make it a lot easier
strange lark
pro tip: dont step in traps 😁 👍
dreamy prism
unironically I feel that HS should only come on with LC4 SD
fresh rover
my prophecy to escape with running one of each i mean*
dreamy prism
since it's too easy to get whacked in tart
random relic
unironically I feel that HS should only come on with LC4 SD
agree
random relic
since it's too easy to get whacked in tart
you know the room
soft kiln
unironically I feel that HS should only come on with LC4 SD
I love how this would make my time better because I wouldn't have to stand in lava in asphodel for so long
Of course then I just lose every lernie fight but whatever
tight basin
tmw you have to run between 3 ely eggs to reset sd
tight basin
f
soft kiln
Do you all favor heart rooms in Tartarus with lc4? I try to always have enough obals to buy a boon but I think I might just start focusing on hearts vs coins or poms
Just for bigger resets earlier
dreamy prism
hearts are high priority on SD for me
proper furnace
For me it depends
Just kinda value or how comfortable i am
Im 100% taking erebus heart tho
soft kiln
at 32 u can still take coin though
But is that the case when you're as good as I am not as good as you are? Lol
proper furnace
Unless timer issues
dreamy prism
early erebus heart op
twin cloak
itll always be case by case
dreamy prism
frankly it's viable to just take pretty much every heart that shows up on SD
proper furnace
Coins can be health too
soft kiln
Erebus rooms stopped being free with forced overtime
twin cloak
like if i'm playing with an unfamiliar weapon i'll prioritize hearts more
tight basin
But is that the case when you're as good as I am not as good as you are? Lol
buying UC fodder is more important than having enough hp
but you generally want to pick up as many hearts as you can see
if you're broke and need a fodder boon, picking up gold would be a priority
proper furnace
Coin can also be well items
twin cloak
Centaur soul 🦾
random relic
Erebus rooms stopped being free with forced overtime
its fine to waste 60-90s on an early erebus heart if youre trying to play safe
fresh rover
jesus christ i just did HS and each spinning blade in styx hits you for 70 dmg :''''''''')
hexed lagoon
Breh I got wrecked by those
I toom am anvil and ot gave me cursed slash
I dies instantly
neat mauve
jesus christ i just did HS and each spinning blade in styx hits you for 70 dmg :...
i thought blades base damage was 15 or 20. huh
either way
acoustic vale
Contemplating 50 heat Arthur with shackle keepsake. Then you probably don't even need to Get the Boons
Related question: what happens if you reach Underworld Customs but have no boons to sacrifice?
This was meant to be in high heat. Stupid phone moving me to different rooms
proper furnace
Related question: what happens if you reach Underworld Customs but have no boon...
You just oass to the next area
little laurel
going to do a beowulf shield run, what is the cast core boon and attack core boon that i should generally look for
proper furnace
Pos cast + artemis core
Atk best other works, mirage shot is priority
Due to being bugged on flares and it doesnt reduce dmg from 2nd flare
You can do aphro flare + snow burst
And if you want a high roll
Swap to stygian soul, use trippy flare (which for whatever reason it receives double value from poms) and aim for extra casts/mirage shot
tight basin
Could do slicing flare to be funny
sweet blade
WTF, something just caused me to take 150 damage in one instance during the Hades fight (regular). There also wasn't a skull stuck in me
dreamy prism
this is why you avoid heightened security with every fiber of your being
yes it does
cunning urchin
Heightened Security is fun.
dreamy prism
heightened security is why lady athena far outclasses aphro who belongs in the dumps
sure footing op, weak can't compare
lucid oar
No idea tbh
dreamy prism
you know weirdly enough she's starting to sound like the... worst god?
dreamy prism
I didn't think anyone could beat ares in that respect but aphro looking worse and worse
random relic
i mean yeah every other god has a build
arty for zag bow, ares and athena for ME, zeus and poseidon for eris
dio is good for high heat eris and dem is just good in general
dreamy prism
I heard that aphro is good with gilgamesh
random relic
but i mean aphro attack is easily replaced by a keepsake
dreamy prism
makes sense that the two bottom tiers pair up
random relic
yeah true
fresh rover
i thought blades base damage was 15 or 20. huh
hs is 400% increase, 15*5 = 75 so about right
fresh rover
I didn't think anyone could beat ares in that respect but aphro looking worse an...
i like demeter the least tbh
i use aphro for one purpose only, crush shot on hera bow :^)
plain river
esp since aphro doesnt protect against pots
Just weaken the traps 🧠🧠🧠
plain river
So first hammer on guan-yu should I take quick spin or massive spin
I’m not taking serrated because it’s funny super soaker gy
I think either choice is equally strong but I’m leaning toward quick spin
proven osprey
Quick
dreamy prism
quick is really good on gy
proven osprey
It's better than massive as a first hammer. It's both a nice QoL upgrade and more DPS than massive because you can't charge that much
Getting both is obviously the dream
dreamy prism
it turns the heal into an actual move you can use against enemies
and not just stuff that's spawning
in styx you can spam quick spins to full heal every chamber since it's so compact which is really nice
fresh rover
wtf i swear theseus is randomly still changing too... he just did a move that looked like dad bomb.... D: also his spin was yellow this time?? zeus buffed?
wait actually that's not possible technically cuz i have zeus... confused
tight basin
after some story stuff they get a friendship move
bull runs into theseus' shield and creates a dad shockwave
fresh rover
agh omg
tight basin
there's a voice line indicator for that, dont remember what it is
fresh rover
they did just go through a friendship arc lmao
tight basin
also theseus' atks all get buffed some way after god call
fresh rover
but they didn't give any prompt before this battle so i got confused
tight basin
oh yeah the new move just happens lol
fresh rover
who else is a yellow god... or is that constraint no longer applicable
cuz i def have zeus on rail rn
tight basin
athena maybe
tight basin
i dont think there's many other combat difference at this point other than em4
and other pact stuff i guess
random relic
there's a voice line indicator for that, dont remember what it is
i believe they say "delta strike"
tight basin
maybe
proper furnace
there's a voice line indicator for that, dont remember what it is
"Bull horn!"
delta i think is the yeet?
vagrant dagger
How does Targeting System interact with Lucifer's Hellfire?
dreamy prism
How does Targeting System interact with Lucifer's Hellfire?
should be the same, whatever's in target radius when you first launch special
neat mauve
so i had a stupid idea
tartarus, go for dio special. asphodel, try for arty cast + pressure points, fish for duo, run shackle for the rest
rate the silly 1-10
neat mauve
rama
tight basin
Wait is this for 50 or just whatever
cunning urchin
That build sounds like excellent self-sabotage.
twin cloak
fun fact splitting headache kinda blows
tight basin
I mean even if you think you don't need it not taking acorn into dad is still risky at 50
And yeah the duo kinda sucks
neat mauve
you respect the thought process tho right
tight basin
Except on like Chiron I guess but Chiron kinda eh
tight basin
you respect the thought process tho right
The equivalent of that would basically be Zeus special start, aphro atk, fish for smair
Also find a call I suppose
But considering you said to also find pressure points it's basically the same
cunning urchin
I respect the starting point of Drunken Flourish, anything beyond that, no.
neat mauve
hehe
cunning urchin
That's the one thing you didn't come up with yourself.
neat mauve
no need to make it personal it's a joke build
cunning urchin
I know.
But Drunken Flourish start and then Lady Artemis isn't a bad idea.
You'd want Hunter Dash and Deadly Strike, though.
tight basin
I mean if it's ap2 then you might not have a say in what you get but I wouldn't take shackle at any point
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid with good rarity and a few poms on it is also amazing for EM4.
I still maintain that anyone who doesn't have confidence they can clear 50 somewhat consistently doesn't really have any business taking AP2.
tight basin
Unless it's passion beo
cunning urchin
Yes but also no.
neat mauve
unless i want to time myself to death every time i have to take ap2 to avoid em4 sadly
i'll check the pact again. i've done a crap ton of variations
tight basin
js3 cp2 gaming?
neat mauve
unless i want to time myself to death
cunning urchin
You're more likely to time out or lose because your build is utter garbage because you're running AP2.
tight basin
i mean i think he'll eventually get a good build with ap2
neat mauve
ok ok hold on let me pull up my pact. there's a few things i'm willing to try wih ap2
cunning urchin
RI0 AP1 you can actually go for things like Smair and just nuke everything.
And your Lord Hermes boons can actually be great instead of pointless.
Swift Strike? No? Reroll? Okay, here's a common Quick Recovery for you. Enjoy.
neat mauve
that leaves me needing em4
tight basin
prob have to take em4 with that tho right
neat mauve
i'm scratching off em4 for now. pretend it doesn't exist
cunning urchin
Pretty sure you could be done with 50 by now tbh.
neat mauve
bro
neat mauve
anyway. rn working with JS2 CP0 as my baseline, cuz JS3 is too much
i'm trying my damndest to avoid it
tight basin
and you're still in that boat of "die in tart or die to dad" right
tight basin
it's not bad but it's still a punch in the face with TD
neat mauve
rama is okay with js. it just slows me down and with bp2 it's a bit risky since i can die in tart quite easily
if i get slammed enough i die super easily
cunning urchin
Rama can get JS3 clear times that make you think it was JS0.
twin cloak
50 unmodded pain moment
neat mauve
okay thanks nyaa but i'm not there yet. i'm not that good and i probably won't be for quite a while. i just want a 50 and js3 is not gonna do it for me
all my pacts without RI involve AP2. RI1 AP1 sucks... kind of defeats the purpose of taking off RI
cunning urchin
I was replying to @twin cloak.
neat mauve
jury summons being one heat sucks balls.
yeah, i either run ap2, ri, js3, or em4 at this point...
i think i should just learn the stupid fight so i have a chance of getting a good enough build to win
cunning urchin
I am not even good at the fight and I beat him on 51 with Rama.
tight basin
learning em4 would be helpful but you can still get slapped with bad summons
neat mauve
sneak bb
tight basin
yeah
cunning urchin
I think my fight that run had Doomstone, so I just exploited that.
You could practice with just EM3 JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 until you can do that comfortably.
Well, and FO2 of course.
neat mauve
if i'm running em4 i'm certainly not running js3 cp2
cunning urchin
I used to do that pact often for practice or to test builds for high heat potential.
cunning urchin
if i'm running em4 i'm certainly not running js3 cp2
I didn't say to do JS3 CP2 for the actual 50 attempt.
neat mauve
what do i gain from practicing what i won't face
i think running em4 ap1 ri0 will cost me 3 heat to be put somewhere else between js and cp
cunning urchin
what do i gain from practicing what i won't face
Confidence, for one.
If you can do that pact consistently and get a sense of what builds are decent, it'll be a lot more comfortable when you're at 50 but go down to JS2 CP1 or J3 CP0 or whatever.
twin cloak
make a hell mode save so you can throw a heat on pl 👍
cunning urchin
lol
neat mauve
spend another three months maxing it out
twin cloak
nah just do it with lvl1 rama and non max mirror
tight basin
considering you can get to dad as long as you can get out of tart all you'd need is td3, fo2, and em4 to practice dad
later on start using SD so you can get used to your amount of hp and then put it back to 50
iron barn
is there like a spreadsheet or anywhere i can find pom scaling stats for boons
iron barn
thanks for the answer
plain river
I don’t have the link
lucid oar
I’m around
rugged gulch
I’m around
got any suggestions for a 1 heat run on Shield with Routine Inspection & Approval Process heat conditions?
Idk what aspect is the best.
and I'll have just about no boons probably. xD
@lucid oar
rip.
rugged gulch
I take it this is for the prophecy?
the quest, ye.
last 2 for Harsh Conditions.
can't find the Lyre either.
lucid oar
I think you buy the lyre from the house contractor
It’ll appear in zagreus’ bedroom at the bottom
rugged gulch
don't have it there.
rugged gulch
I think you buy the lyre from the house contractor
under Court Music?
lucid oar
I’m not sure, can probably find an accurate answer in the wiki
tight basin
lyre is definitely under house contractor, under bedchambers stuff
you might have to hit a story beat for that
soft barn
trying to improve fist pb and kind of new (2 weeks of playing) idk ifanyone has tips, ive seen like 5.x hades times and i am stumped as to how to approach that level lol
cunning urchin
trying to improve fist pb and kind of new (2 weeks of playing) idk ifanyone has ...
This is a good starting point. https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI
soft barn
oo ty
my current pb is this from the other night
like idk how to save 3.5 minutes
lmao
lucid oar
You’re already doing great
soft barn
o ty, i watched the vid of hera bow record and just
all the things yhe was doing with like
movement/pausing and what rooms the timer stopped in i took note of
but other than that im like
button mashing with fist it feels
lucid oar
If this is divine strike and blade dash on fist, then simply using a better build will go a long way
soft barn
here
wasnt even thinking
lmao
the worst of splits were tartarus and asphodel i think
my pb tartarus is 1.29 but this was a 2.18
asphodel was 2.05
so blade dash isnt great?
im guessing bc it applies dps slowly
cunning urchin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/499776879289565185/1015393894550220900/...
That's top 10 for unmodded Gilgamesh btw.
soft barn
wot
cunning urchin
So it's evidently good enough to make top 10.
soft barn
no way
it felt rly slow and i was bumping into walls often lol
like for context i speed other games so not brand new to this type of thing
and i can kinda feel when im being inefficient a
and it felt like i was like pathing badly in some spots etc
is gilgamesh bad?
ive seen rly low fist times
cunning urchin
You should turn on EM2 to speed up the Lernie fight a lot.
soft barn
mm yea my lernie avg is like
cunning urchin
soft barn
37-40s ive had a 26 once and then no other sub30
oh wow didnt know there were public rankings
cunning urchin
Yeah, EM2 will reduce the distance between the heads a lot, so you can clear much faster and hit multiple.
soft barn
mm i see yea thats big
cunning urchin
Leaderboard is here: https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat
cunning urchin
Also I don't know if you know Meg setups, but that's a potential time cut for minibosses.
lucid oar
is gilgamesh bad?
It’s def below average for top end speed
1:29 tart is gaming for fists
soft barn
Also I don't know if you know Meg setups, but that's a potential time cut for mi...
my furies is essentially has been time my maims so they pop right after invuln, insta call on invuln end
cunning urchin
Gilgamesh is not very popular, so it's less competitive than most of the other aspects.
soft barn
usually 14-18s depending on what boons i have
cunning urchin
I don't mean the Furies boss fight, I mean the summon.
soft barn
ohh
lucid oar
I’d recommend watching CherryDad’s speedrun videos, especially the modded ones
soft barn
i do not know meg setups as in like how to position direction. i activate on tartarus
miniboss, asphodel miniboss if its the bobbleheads, flying pink cloud monster, heroes, cerb miniboss
i havent inlocked the ability to use on dad yet tho
think i need to max one more thing?
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
The setup for Witches Circle is outdated, though. Refer to this post instead: #h1-discussion message
soft barn
thats so big
ive been just not using on witches
because i didnt know how to make it worth
plain river
Also I don't know if you know Meg setups, but that's a potential time cut for mi...
Using battie: 
Using antos: 💪💪💪
acoustic vale
Using Dusa: 🧠🧠🧠
lucid oar
I use skelly for all my speed runs
lucid oar
Yeah he’s terrible
soft barn
my friend was like dont even bother getting
lucid oar
I don’t have it unlocked and I have 700 hours
soft barn
he wants to die...
plain river
I bothered to because what else am I using my resources on
soft barn
mm yea i definitely can see ive been losing seconds on my meg use
cunning urchin
Aside from what's already been said, I would say focus more on your average times rather than your peaks to gauge your progress because your runs can swing a lot due to RNG. Like you can have a bunch of runs around 8-9 minutes and then one run around 7:00 and you didn't do anything different, you just got way better rooms.
If you're resetting, reset for pace rather than for builds.
soft barn
Aside from what's already been said, I would say focus more on your average time...
yeah rooms big
id say my avg if i did not reset
like not at all
with gilgamesh probably around 9.45-10.15?
lucid oar
That’s pretty good
lucid oar
Sack rng will change that a lot
soft barn
so ill try the other
plain river
There should be speedrun categories for fastest rta rather than fastest igt
soft barn
yea cerb big
cunning urchin
Well, sometimes you get a pace that's worse than what you'd like but you have a build that can potentially make up for it so you'd just go with that.
soft barn
mny pb is on vermin btw
idk how much time loss that is
it was a fast kill so
probably not terrible
lucid oar
It depends
soft barn
it was among my better vermins
lucid oar
With the right build it may only be a 5s time loss
I’ve had a sub 7 with tiny vermin before
lucid oar
Yeah that’s decent
cunning urchin
There should be speedrun categories for fastest rta rather than fastest igt
All the categories are both IGT and RTA.
soft barn
i saw it paused like ugh
but then i was like
pace is fine just play it out
so i did
and pbed
lol
cunning urchin
Except for multi-run categories. Those are RTA only. But you can submit individual runs from that for IGT, too.
plain river
I should figure out a pact that doesn’t use cp2 would probably make me faster
lucid oar
RTA requires a lot of thinking lol
soft barn
i would burn out on non igt
because with igt i can like
stop a run think or afk for a sec
rta is like every second stress
cunning urchin
I think RTA practice can help with IGT because you learn to plan ahead better. But majority of speedrunners only really focus on IGT anyway.
soft barn
yea true its hard because the reason im here is bc imstrategically not sure whats good
like
lucid oar
In RTA you focus on getting a build that requires as little menus as possible
soft barn
i can learn mechanics and im conscious of when im wasting time
cunning urchin
What I like about RTA is that free rooms are a little less free, so there's a little more consistency in your times.
soft barn
very appreciated
lucid oar
And out of the weapons listed, the most DPS is probably Beowulf
cunning urchin
Also just watching runs, watching streamers, discussing builds with other players in the community.
strange lark
And out of the weapons listed, the most DPS is probably Beowulf
What about talos
lucid oar
Talos is cheating
strange lark
Oh yeah forgor
lucid oar
💀
strange lark
absolutely clueless
There's the speedrunning server pinned in #self-promotion
soft barn
ye i just joined it
marble oar
twin cloak
I bothered to because what else am I using my resources on
RESOURCES DIRECTOR !!!!
plain river
RESOURCES DIRECTOR !!!!
But… it’s ambrosia to upgrade companions… resource director doesn’t need 20000 ambrosia
They only need like 10 total
twin cloak
They only need like 10 total
Do suicide runs to get value deal from wretched broker to trade amb away
plain river
Do suicide runs to get value deal from wretched broker to trade amb away
No. c
strange lark
ye
plain river
Is anyone online?
No
rugged gulch
I got Blizzard Shot, the last one needed from Poseidon's boons for his quest.
can I sell Floodshot now and start questing for Slicing shot combinations?
strange lark
ye
rugged gulch
can I sell Blizzard shot as well?
twin cloak
Yeah
twin cloak
It needs you to have it at some point
rugged gulch
It needs you to have it at some point
and not end with it?
twin cloak
the only thing that un updates it
plain river
like yes but trying to find hunting blades after already hitting your cast boons
twin cloak
is if you hit give up
rugged gulch
the only thing that un updates it
are you certain certain?
twin cloak
100%
rugged gulch
because it was a pain to get this.
twin cloak
i sold freezing vortex on the run i picked it up
plain river
are you certain certain?
They are correct
strange lark
are you certain certain?
yes
plain river
Pressung give up puts you right back where you began
cunning urchin
They only need like 10 total
Exactly 10 is indeed like 10.
rugged gulch
I'm playing a pretty interesting setup I feel atm.
dionsysus special, chill auto attack, blade rift dodge.
with the mirror of night trait that gives +40% damage vs. mobs with 2 status afflictions.
got 4 dodges with rift too.
with added effects.
=0
plain river
pstatus
rugged gulch
?
rugged gulch
ah.
final flicker
how do i hestia
strange lark
final flicker
awesome
strange lark
final flicker
seems easy enough
twin cloak
hestia speedrunning kinda impossible no lie
rugged gulch
guys.
Gift of the Song quest.
supposedly I gotta do it 210 times.
Is there a way to keep track of how many times I've done it?
twin cloak
no
rugged gulch
so I know whether to do it on 1 sitting or something.
strange lark
count
tight basin
There's dialogue points with Orpheus but that's about it lol
tender latch
What're people's thoughts on aphro smair
I get that it's not disgusting damage like zeus or dio, but interrupting an enemy's attack is really nice
Especially against dad
tight basin
like you said, atk interruptions are nice but it's just underwhelming because of how little damage it does
gusty rapids
What're people's thoughts on aphro smair
it’s really funny in the heroes fight
just let theseus and the bull duke it out
tender latch
Feels like it'd help a ton during dad fight, especially in em4
And if you have good damage like ME/eris/etc that short window is probably worth more damage than the call
rugged gulch
I get that it's not disgusting damage like zeus or dio, but interrupting an enem...
wait, dio is disgusting?
I've been pondering how to finish his questline.
what're good builds for dionysus, and if you know, demeter?
Idk which weaps are best. =0
currently need from the daedolus hammer a few special-only boons to finish the infernal arms quests too, particularly spear.
do those work well together? =0
plain river
wait, dio is disgusting?
His call is big damage yes
tender latch
Very big
tender latch
what're good builds for dionysus, and if you know, demeter?
Dionysus can be cast based with beowulf flare, but any fast attack is nice for hangover. Chiron is good for that. The thing with dio is that he feels really outdone by zeus if it isn't a cast build
Zeus has better flat damage + you don't really have to build it up, it's just there
Demeter is pretty meh. Putting chill and hangover together is an easy way to get privileged status online though, and there's some funny cast builds with laser spam
Those work with just about anything but ig would be best on achilles for the damage buff?
green birch
I have not played hades in a hot minute but thinking of picking it back up today for fun, what are peoples favorite builds to use these days?
Especially interested in Rama bow builds
rugged gulch
Dionysus can be cast based with beowulf flare, but any fast attack is nice for h...
what is beowulf flare?
plain river
Trippy flare
rugged gulch
err?
plain river
dionysus cast on beo is trippy flare
it gets double the boost from poms as it says it does
You run stygian soul and hope to get more casts from chaos or other sources
and try to get mirage shot as well since it’s bugged for all the flares to be just cast again with regular damage
plain river
Especially interested in Rama bow builds
Merciful end rama /j
rugged gulch
it gets double the boost from poms as it says it does
oh.
It says you need the aspect of hera or beowulf.
now I get what you mean.
I've been using every weapon there is still.
xD
green birch
Oooo, merciful end is a classic
rugged gulch
You run stygian soul and hope to get more casts from chaos or other sources
soul?
plain river
As opposed to infernal soul
You only have 1 cast but it recharges with stygian
since trippy flare keeps your cast it’s better for being able to keep outputting damage
It’s on the mirror
twin cloak
RaME goes crazy
twin cloak
Especially interested in Rama bow builds
Shackle 💪
plain river
Shackle 💪
rugged gulch
I still don't know how to best use the bow.
the build pathing is just odd.
last daedolus hammer I need is charged shot.
plain river
I still don't know how to best use the bow.
Dash strike and power shot
Using Bow is a rythym gaming
if you find triple shot it becomes a shotgun
If you find twin shot it’s also sweet
rugged gulch
which aspect is best with it?
I only just learned that some daedolus ones won't occur when using X aspect.
plain river
They’re all pretty good
Chiron is only good before you habe to start running jury summons though
topaz bolt
its been a few months or so since I last played, and all I can remember is that shield was my favorite weapon
plain river
I only just learned that some daedolus ones won't occur when using X aspect.
You won’t find charged volley on chiron
rugged gulch
You won’t find charged volley on chiron
ye, I only just learned that.
topaz bolt
how do you build shield
topaz bolt
Currently using Zag aspect
rugged gulch
how does this quest work?
topaz bolt
only thing unlocked for me is the Beo aspect
rugged gulch
''Close At Heart'' ?
do I have to end the run by killing hades with the last keepsake I had?
plain river
zag shield you still want charged shot, probably run like aphrodite attack zeus call hope for smair iirc
beowulf you'd take flood flare and arte attack look for mirage shot
still want charged shot hammer on beo
topaz bolt
normally what I do with shield is that I abuse my dash attacks and throw in a charged thing or two
twin cloak
still want charged shot hammer on beo
For heat i prefer ferocious guard
plain river
I like ferocious guard second hammer or if no cshot first hammer
topaz bolt
which gods do you recommend as shield
plain river
normally what I do with shield is that I abuse my dash attacks and throw in a ch...
still want aphrodite attack and zeus call there
topaz bolt
I run athena so everything deflects
plain river
or even merciful end on shield aint bad, doom strike athena special athena dash find merciful end
tight basin
which gods do you recommend as shield
for zag and chaos shield, aphrodite atk and ignore the special, pray for charged shot hammer
zeus, basically find every zeus boon possible, pray for explosive return hammer. bonus points if you get aphrodite atk, cshot, dio/zeus call, and/or smair
beowulf, start poseidon cast, look for artemis and get her atk or any core if you can't, pray for mirage shot and cshot
first three shields can all run merciful end pretty well tho, zeus shield especially since you dont need divine dash
twin cloak
for zag and chaos shield, aphrodite atk and ignore the special, pray for charged...
Wdym zeus you also aphro attack and ignore the special
tight basin
oh true
first three shields all build the same
aphrodite atk and cshot
and then win
bonus points for smair
plain river
Wdym zeus you also aphro attack and ignore the special
zeus special you can just throw out for autonomous damage wdym
rugged gulch
aphrodite atk and cshot
cshot?
plain river
charged shot
rugged gulch
ah.
plain river
makes your bullrush an 80 base damage pew pew
twin cloak
first three shields all build the same
*first 4
rugged gulch
what's the best shield build?
twin cloak
61 heat beo with cshot aphro atk!!!
rugged gulch
or rather.
tight basin
budget bow
plain river
since you already get +100% attack damage from loading cast and it puts you closer to mirage sho
twin cloak
since you already get +100% attack damage from loading cast and it puts you clos...
Nah just ignore the cast and play cshot
Oops
Pray for grasps n stuff
Just ap2 into 3 grasps lmaoo
tight basin
this is like the equivalent playing shackle beo
rugged gulch
what's the best shield build with Zagreus aspect?
twin cloak
Cshot
rugged gulch
gotta use this in order to get Charged Flight.
tight basin
aspect of cshot
rugged gulch
trying to finish the quest.
tight basin
welp
twin cloak
I wish you could slot in 5s stygian soul on ri3
tight basin
charged flight beo used to be meta right
cunning urchin
Especially interested in Rama bow builds
I start Heartbreak Strike on Rama and then just pick up whichever I see first out of Lightning, Doom, and Hangover for Special. Hunter Dash is ideal, Divine Dash and Tidal Dash are also great. Try to get Strike and Lunge from Master Chaos. Bone Hourglass can be great in Elysium and the Temple of Styx because Rama benefits a whole lot from Cyclops Jerky, Nail of Talos, Nemesis Crest... and Aether Net and the healing items are always great.
plain river
I'm playing talos blizzard shot build found lightning rod and sea storm as well lmao
my zeus call is charging so fast
cunning urchin
I'm playing talos blizzard shot build found lightning rod and sea storm as well ...
Nice!
That build is so much fun.
green birch
I start Heartbreak Strike on Rama and then just pick up whichever I see first ou...
Taking notes taking notes
plain river
where my mirage shot though
cunning urchin
Nah, it's decent enough. A lot of the time it's also just when you have so much money you just buy everything lol.
plain river
heavy knuckle my beloved
cunning urchin
Heavy Knuckle on Talos is nice.
plain river
I wish I had an excuse to pick it up more often but demeter likes to hit a lot for special charge
it works on talos though
cunning urchin
It's actually not too bad on Demeter either tbh if you have have a % Attack. And there's also Zag Fists.
Heavy Knuckle basically adds variety because the % Attacks become a lot better with it.
plain river
but like
whenever I pick up heavy knuckle
I think about spreadfire zag
and how it's the same thing but better attack speed
this is a hypothetical question but double strike or splitting bolt
tight basin
you'd have to know you're starting with heavy knuckle tho if you're gonna build a % based atk on fists tho
modded helps with that i supposed tho
cunning urchin
Should only take like 2-3 runs to get it, and you can still make it work without it.
tight basin
true but if you're putting dio or zeus on the atk and you pick up heavy knuckle it gets a bit sad
it'll definitely work tho
twin cloak
this is a hypothetical question but double strike or splitting bolt
Depends on double strike rarity
plain river
talos fists with pos cast + sea storm + lighting rod + zeus aid
lots of bolts everywhere
tight basin
splitting has 40 base damage right, and typical lightning bolts deal less damage than that?
and like
splitting procs whenever they're hit with lightning, so it's basically double strike but better right
copper hazel
I want to like exagryph but man, after asphodel I dont feel like I do anything
tight basin
what atk boon do you have
plain river
I want to like exagryph but man, after asphodel I dont feel like I do anything
how are you building it
twin cloak
splitting has 40 base damage right, and typical lightning bolts deal less damage...
Epic zeus special is 45 dmg base
tight basin
oh
copper hazel
how are you building it
Builds change from run to run but most commonly zues boons is what i normally choose for it, and then artemis
strange lark
Epic zeus special is 45 dmg base
just get common zeus special every time
tight basin
well splitting is more consistent i guess but at that point depends on the build then?
strange lark
yeah it depends on the build
plain river
what I had is in victory boasting now
splitting bolt was the last boon I picked up before hades fight
strange lark
yeah i wouldve taken splitting there
tight basin
splitting has the good color so always take it
twin cloak
just get common zeus special every time
Download cheat engine mod for always epic start
Obviously
strange lark
download cheat engine mod for always common start
copper hazel
Download cheat engine mod for always epic start
i wanted to get into modding but it seems weird from all the new/old format stuff
i was a little intimidated looking into it that i avoided it
twin cloak
Old format doesn't exist anymore
copper hazel
oh? the video i was watching was talking all about it, maybe I was watching a dated tutorial
tight basin
the mod is pretty easy to download
and there's also the modding server that can walk you through it
twin cloak
Most "old format" mods are deprecated and shouldn't be used anyway
copper hazel
I joined here mainly to ask about building the friendship system since i seem to be a little stuck but i wasnt too sure where to put it
ill have to check out the modding server sometime
twin cloak
Ask away
copper hazel
its ok in this chat? and should I put spoilers?
tight basin
could ask in #h1-discussion tbh or maybe #h1-story-discussion i think and you dont have to spoiler in either
twin cloak
I mean it doesn't really matter too much
copper hazel
Ill just ask here then
First, Im not too sure what needs to happen before i can give sisyphus a ambrosia, i got his bar up to the next lock
Next Dusa also isnt taking anymore nectar's but i cant give her an ambrosia either
And now im trying to reunite achilles with patroclus, im assuming just to keep giving them nectar until they say something
twin cloak
First, Im not too sure what needs to happen before i can give sisyphus a ambrosi...
- U need to progress story events so you can free him from his binding
- U have to do some lounge renovations
- Yea
copper hazel
Progress story events huh. Im pretty far along I think but maybe theres more I havent found
Ive decked out the lounge heavily and did the rennovations if thats what you meant
Yeah.
cunning urchin
I mean it doesn't really matter too much
Well, this channel is builds and combat.
copper hazel
I figured somebody would say it eventually
green birch
#h1-story-discussion probably the best place for you to get friendship advice!
strange lark
@plain river it removes 2 boons but adds one boon when you take stygian
copper hazel
thoughts on king aurther aspect? is it good?
twin cloak
It's very solid and easy to build
And tanks a lot of pacts generally considered horrible to put on well
But it scales really badly
cunning urchin
Excalibur is easily one of the easiest weapon aspects to get a clear with.
Only falls off in speedruns or at very high heats, like 40+.
fresh rover
hm i forget how are you supposed to dash during arthur swings?
i can get the second swing but not the third..
strange lark
spam dash and youll get it
strange lark
😩
proper furnace
That run was lost
strange lark
weary
proper furnace
Got a crash on styx and back to the house lmao
tight basin
Lernie really went 💥
fresh rover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751198390892888294/1007838513758212156/...
o thanks for video
tender latch
It's like a rama shot
fresh rover
is dad call that good...? it seems like a worse version of athena call cuz it just makes you invis instead of deflecting?
twin cloak
is dad call that good...? it seems like a worse version of athena call cuz it ju...
It gives you damage
plain river
and movesped
fresh rover
ah ok guess i can't tell >.>
plain river
You have to look at the call itself rather than the keepsake to see more info about it
lyric osprey
def gonna use that more hehehehe
twin cloak
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