i used to swap to skellys tooth in styx every single time until i did the math and found out that acorn was just better
#h1-builds-and-combat
maiden wolf
proper furnace
acorn my beloved
maiden wolf
even with hades least damaging hits acorn goes even or better than skellys tooth
proper furnace
tho i think my fav is either sigil of the dad or hourglass
maiden wolf
sigil of the dad made me laugh lmao
proper furnace
only sad moment for acorn is em4 probably
cuz sneaks/butterflys hit for so little and eat your acorn in seconds
but just dont get those summons
ez
maiden wolf
sigil is fun, but i just generally like other calls and id rather use my slot on something like pom blossom or black shawl anyway
proper furnace
isnt black shawl like +20% backstab 
proper furnace
just add 1 chaos boon and thats like 5 shawls lol
maiden wolf
based in elysium especially
maiden wolf
myrmidon bracer is a personal fave however
proper furnace
i think i have those at lvl 1 still lol
maiden wolf
and runs with olympian god keepsakes are really fun, always high quality and always fun
dreamy prism
based
maiden wolf
i used to only use a select few keepsakes but now i love them all, im currently working on making them all three star and its really fun using them all
lambent plume runs are especially fun but stressful
not as stressful as pierced butterfly though, im too bad at the game to use pierced butterfly
especially since i always use damage control pact
tight basin
Prophecy gaming
random relic
nah you can always just not complete prophecies
maiden wolf
but im a completionist
random relic
can always complete the prohpecy later
maiden wolf
uhm
i think i may be overpowered this run
i love perfectly timing dodging hades sweep
SHEEEEESH
tight basin
Rare crop moment
tight basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807132078574796851/1012185910172995624/un...
Also #h1-victory-boasting next time
You also don't have to send links there, images work fine in that channel
random relic
ok wtf ive gotten epic flood flare like 4 times in a row on legacy now
pride is literally just a scam
soft kiln
does draining cutter work through lc4? i assume not
dreamy prism
does draining cutter work through lc4? i assume not
it do
soft kiln
oh neat
maiden wolf
lc doesnt affect things like cursed slash and the hidden spear
soft kiln
omg i just had a random room with armored elysium bowman with aggression and speed
i exploded and then lived barely
maiden wolf
ow
soft kiln
next room was thankfully touch of styx
i have long knuckle and rolling knuckle
should i anvil and hope to get breaching?
or just put more poms on drunken strike
i guess if i accidentally get heavy knuckle that would suck
tight basin
should i anvil and hope to get breaching?
Quite late response but since you're so late in the run, imo breaching isn't worth it at that point because you're not gonna see many more armored enemies
soft kiln
i mainly meant for the enemies in the hades fight i guess
tight basin
Long knuckle is pretty good and rolling isn't bad
tight basin
i mainly meant for the enemies in the hades fight i guess
True but you can generally ignore them unless it's an exalted archer
soft kiln
yeah i didn't actually realize how long long knuckle was until this run
i've used it before but never really tested
tight basin
Long knuckle is quite long lmao
Can make playing fists more bearable since it's got a decent range
young dirge
Hey everyone I was hoping someone might have some tips for my 32 heat runs with fists? I like fists and am trying to clear 32 heat for my charity stream. But after 100 fails in a row, I figured I better ask for help. I'm getting upto Hades every now and then, and I notice I'm not very familiar with that fight so I die alot - this I can work on. But is there something with fists that just is "the one to go for" for something like that? I currently only have Talos fists and Zag fists unlocked (I don't have any more titan blood) Apologies for the paragraph and if I'm asking the right wrong place or not aloud - Rival Gaz
tight basin
What's your pact
soft kiln
ok random aside since i'm gonna start a sword run. i hate arthur, are zagreus and poseidon even good by compparison? or is nemesis my only real option if, again, i hate arthur.
tight basin
Pos sword doesn't even play like a sword lmao
Nem is obv the best but pos sword with lightning phalanx is pretty good
soft kiln
Hey everyone I was hoping someone might have some tips for my 32 heat runs with ...
dude you're doing 32 heat and you only have 2 fists?
wow
tight basin
Also yeah I'd farm more titan blood for Demeter aspect
soft kiln
did you just skip to 32 or something
soft kiln
Nem is obv the best but pos sword with lightning phalanx is pretty good
why lightning phalanx specifically?
tight basin
16 to 32 is generally an acceptable skip but any bigger can be an issue
tight basin
why lightning phalanx specifically?
Phalanx is already good damage to begin with and has decent aoe
soft kiln
by 16 they'd probably have plenty of blood though
soft kiln
Hey everyone I was hoping someone might have some tips for my 32 heat runs with ...
if nobody has given you this link yet here's a page with suggestions for every aspect: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
soft kiln
Phalanx is already good damage to begin with and has decent aoe
better than mirage shot?
tight basin
You can do arty cast with pos sword but it's pretty mediocre lmao
young dirge
Yeah I just skipped to 32 after clearing the game (For the event)
tight basin
better than mirage shot?
I mean mirage shot would be great but arty and pos cast aren't too great
soft kiln
32 heat with lvl 1 aspects is something else
young dirge
I have lvl 5 with Talos I mean, sorry.
I have read that guide thank you, it is a good one
tight basin
You're probably just gonna have to rng into merciful end
But also what's your pact and mirror
soft kiln
what kind of fist builds have you been trying? what's your pact look like?
tight basin
Because those might be an issue
young dirge
Hrm, let me see if I can grab a screen shot from my past stream one second
soft kiln
I mean mirage shot would be great but arty and pos cast aren't too great
ok hear me out. meme beams
tight basin
TD might be the issue lmao
soft kiln
tidal dash?
dreamy prism
splash dash is always good with cast builds imo
tight basin
Yeah that's probably fine
dreamy prism
casts are inherently safer
soft kiln
all of my sword runs are splash dash runs anyway
soft kiln
i just switched to lc4 so i guess i'll see if that becomes an issue
dreamy prism
ddash gets more important on SD for sure
less health means you can't just facetank the hard stuff and shrug it off with well
soft kiln
but heart rend is like the only build and splash dash competes pretty easily
dreamy prism
are you doing nem
soft kiln
usually
dreamy prism
I think DR is about on the same level as HR
soft kiln
Gonna need arty duo tho
yeah clarity is vital
soft kiln
I think DR is about on the same level as HR
i'm tired what
young dirge
Oh, I can't send a picture sadly in here
tight basin
I feel like deadly reversal struggles a bit more without dash
young dirge
I might have to type it
soft kiln
Oh, I can't send a picture sadly in here
you put it up on imgur and post hte link
tight basin
Oh, I can't send a picture sadly in here
Send as inage link
tight basin
Or send ti a different server and copy paste link
soft kiln
oh
just get greedy and purge athena special after getting reversal and go for heart rend
young dirge
Sorry everyone thanks for wanting to help but I can't really do this while I'm streaming
Thanks again though and stay awesome
tight basin
That assumes tart DR lmao
soft kiln
Sorry everyone thanks for wanting to help but I can't really do this while I'm s...
yyou can also just post the pic to victory boasting
that channel allows images
soft kiln
That assumes tart DR lmao
just get the boons nbd
tight basin
True
young dirge
Maybe next time, I'm sure someone will pop into the stream with advice. I'll learn anyway one way or the other I'm still having fun. Cheers and all the best. I gotta get back to it now
soft kiln
True
so i don't mind poseidon, although nemesis is viscerally more fun. is zagreus just bad?
it's gotta be. attack speed does nothing
tight basin
The gimmick isn't useful other than Rd
soft kiln
it's just nemesis but bad
tight basin
Pretty much lmao
soft kiln
oh man looking at the 32 heat for rival i just realized it involves FO2
oh boy
i wonder if hard labor 5 is easier. i'm sure asterius would just cut me in half
dreamy prism
HL5 sucks but you just have to get used to it
tight basin
oh man looking at the 32 heat for rival i just realized it involves FO2
Ngl after 100 attempts with fo2 he's probably learned it by now
twin cloak
16 to 32 is generally an acceptable skip but any bigger can be an issue
8->40 free
tight basin
True
soft kiln
Ngl after 100 attempts with fo2 he's probably learned it by now
i was thinking about it for me since i'm working my way through 25 right now
twin cloak
After climbing the fo2 curve its basically just a free 6 heat ngl
proper furnace
Free until it is not
tight basin
Every heat is free if you're good enough
hexed lagoon
Does anyone have a like a chart of recommended heat challenges for each heat number? I remember seeing that somewhere
cunning urchin
Does anyone have a like a chart of recommended heat challenges for each heat num...
@lucid ferry
hexed lagoon
Found it
lucid ferry
iron barn
Is it viable to play without a mouse for gilgamesh splash dash
proper furnace
How bad can it be
iron barn
it is the end of tartarus and i have lvl 6 epic splash dash
go figure
only common greatest reflex though 😭
Bruh I just got 5 god pool forced bc i took the mystery god in midshop
tight basin
On the bright side your family favorites bonus is higher
oak lance
Hey, anyone know if the Pierced Butterfly is supposed to be active for Temple of Styx encounters? It seems like it only can activate on the end rooms not the little ones but I know the Pom Blossom ticks each small room, so they should work for butterfly too, right?
random relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902706324431831092/1012463113754398770/un...
how will mark not help
proven osprey
Hey, anyone know if the Pierced Butterfly is supposed to be active for Temple of...
Not supposed to work sadly
serene orbit
Hey, anyone know if the Pierced Butterfly is supposed to be active for Temple of...
i think it's because the rooms go so quick
so they are flagged to only work on the final encounter rooms
oak lance
Not supposed to work sadly
I wonder why. Like I said, pom blossom to ks down in them.
iron barn
how will mark *not* help
bc its a dash only run
oak lance
I wonder if Plume also is inactive for them.
iron barn
i took it anyway for preemptive pp
proper furnace
Yeah
serene orbit
i believe so yes
proven osprey
Also there's no logic. Both grows during encounters but the pierced butterfly has this exception for balance purpose
proper furnace
Hydro might is too
tight basin
Mom pom only goes off like every 4 encounters but feather and butterfly benefits from each clear so that's probably why
random relic
i took it anyway for preemptive pp
yeah good play
proven osprey
I assume 🤷♂️
iron barn
anyway i love dashing clean through asterius circles
oak lance
Also there's no logic. Both grows during encounters but the pierced butterfly ha...
That's disappointing. I was hoping I could abuse it and swapped into it for Styx since this ended up being a pure damage build
old solstice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902706324431831092/1012463113754398770/un...
Average Artemis Boons
proven osprey
It does not do much anyway
oak lance
But I guess it's not going to be useful for me. Oh well. It's a 0 heat darkness farming run and I'm just trying new things
proven osprey
it's good with flat damage but adding 10% on your 150% aphro boon is kinda meh
You'll get more than 10% of course but it's not amazing
given the fact that you have to sacrifice an actual keepsake
iron barn
second wave + lvl 8 splash dash + 5 dashes + typhoons fury + breaking wave = what styx enemies?
oak lance
Yeah I'm gonna stick to pom blossom in Styx for now. Thanks for the advice
proven osprey
(Tbh given the RNG involved, pom blossom is likely to pom a useless boon or one that is already upgraded so diminished return)
Pom blossom would be a good option in Tartarus though, reset for a specific boon (such as a cast for cast weapons that benefit a loooot from poms) and you'll have value
other than that it's not really useful
oak lance
I mean, what else do you take into Styx?
Especially low heat darkness grinds? I usually use Charon's hourglass
cunning urchin
Hourglass and Sigil both good for DPS.
tight basin
Especially low heat darkness grinds? I usually use Charon's hourglass
You can't get any more darkness in Styx unless you don't have Poseidon's boon that gives you more darkness
oak lance
You can't get any more darkness in Styx unless you don't have Poseidon's boon th...
Charon wells, and Final boss rewards
tight basin
i mean no keepsake is gonna help you with that
at that point just take acorn or something so you can guarantee killing hades
oak lance
Coin purse might. But yeah Acorn I guess is okay.
strange lark
Imagine darkness farming
oak lance
I want the chaos theme
strange lark
Reset your mirror for the darkness
oak lance
But then I don't have all my mirror boons?
random relic
perfectly fine
strange lark
Yup!
random relic
the mirror sucks anyway
random relic
yeah exactly
tight basin
totally didn't stop playing that save file
oak lance
Privileged status, dated persuasion, and boiling blood have made way bigger difference than any keepsake
tight basin
PS gaming
strange lark
Pstatus 🗿
proper furnace
I love the no mention of 2nd dash/dds
tight basin
you dont need those
proven osprey
Privileged status, dated persuasion, and boiling blood have made way bigger diff...
They're kidding ofc
tight basin
I love the no mention of 2nd dash/dds
just get good hermes and chaos
easily replaceable
random relic
i mean im not even a fan of having my first hit do +75% damage, having 3 dds, restoring 3 hp per chamber, having my attack and special do 50% more damage, having an extra dash, having 3 more casts, having 50 more hp, having 100 more gold in tart, having 25% more damage, having 20% more gold laurels, having 20% increased chance for epic boons, and having 4 rerolls
all of that sucks dont use it
tight basin
fresh file gaming
strange lark
3 more casts 
oak lance
I love the no mention of 2nd dash/dds
I use the ruthless reflex
random relic
3 more casts <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
oops
strange lark
Nice
tight basin
3 more casts <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
homie's got the mirror dlc
tight basin
I use the ruthless reflex
absolutely based
oak lance
3 more casts <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Stygian soul over Infernal
oak lance
Who likes picking up casts??
random relic
Especially on beowulf
^^
tight basin
i mean that's personal preference unless you're playing a castpect
random relic
true, stygian is meta on beo
proper furnace
Who likes picking up casts??
Almost every cast aspect
tight basin
trippy gaming
proper furnace
Also stygian disables rod
random relic
trippy gaming
nah thunder flare is better
random relic
the scaling through zeus is insane
strange lark
Bro you ever get 80% cast damage on thunder flare
proper furnace
oh crap really
strange lark
😩😩😩😩😩😩
tight basin
i've never really thought about it lmfao
i was just like "hee hoo high roll for bad news because broken boon funny"
random relic
lmao
tbh i prefer infernal over stygian on non castspects
tarts are so much better and rod
but every time i see flurry cast i cry
strange lark
Then you get flurry cast from hermes
random relic
i already said that dumbass
random relic
stupid
oak lance
Oof
strange lark
Zagcry
tight basin
tarts are so much better and rod
that made me realize i should use the cast more often on normal enemies for 50 base damage 
there's so many little things i never realize in this game
random relic
that made me realize i should use the cast more often on normal enemies for 50 b...
bruhh
proper furnace
Use it on c1 for funny fiery presence being global
tight basin
bruhh
why should i use a cast that does 50 or 75 damage when i can get cshot c1 and deal like 130 damage because of fiery
just get the hammer
random relic
why should i use a cast that does 50 or 75 damage when i can get cshot c1 and de...
because cshot doesnt exist on eris
tight basin
well maybe play shield instead
random relic
yep shield only weapon
tbf i dont think ive played anything except for beo in weeks
proper furnace
Shield truly the best of the 5 weapons
random relic
besides that small gy stint
dreamy prism
zag shield of course
random relic
wait that word doesnt mean what i think it does
strange lark
Shield is one of the weapons of all time
random relic
zag shield of course
ew no
tight basin
zag shield based
strange lark
Best shied
strange lark
Nah
proper furnace
Imagine not having a 61+ heat win
strange lark
Chaos better than beo
proper furnace
Literally any other shield gang
strange lark
No aspect better than beo
random relic
Chaos better than beo
chaos doesnt have a sub 6, let alone 2 sub 5s
strange lark
It will soon
random relic
oh will it now
tight basin
beo can handle ri3 if you take off TD
just have an hour long run
tight basin
you could probably do like max heat beo and take off TD
and deal with having 1 cast
and have fun with dc2
random relic
yeah lmao
dreamy prism
well zshield got sub 6 so the two lvl0 zshield aspects shouldn't be too hard
strange lark
Aspectless sub6
random relic
chaos will be the first
strange lark
15% slower runs
strange lark
Probably rail
proper furnace
Rail/bow ig
strange lark
Cus clockets
dreamy prism
unironically how is it not shield
random relic
idk have you seen bablos 5:26
dreamy prism
it's 100% shield
iron barn
determining the viability of an entire weapon based off of a single combo which is pure rng is kinda sus
random relic
it's 100% shield
because zag fists and spear both have a sub 6
strange lark
idk have you seen bablos 5:26
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HE GOT A 5:25 WITH ZAG SPEAR
iron barn
aspectless means before you level up zag aspect at all right
random relic
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HE GOT A 5:25 WITH ZAG SPEAR
DAMN IT I KEEP GETTING THAT WRONG\
proper furnace
determining the viability of an entire weapon based off of a single combo which ...
Budget eris works great enough
random relic
oh this is about dumb speedrunning and not high heat
yeah stupid
proper furnace
Also i thought you mean overall clears pfff
random relic
determining the viability of an entire weapon based off of a single combo which ...
i mean not really lol
dreamy prism
:rofxic:
strange lark
determining the viability of an entire weapon based off of a single combo which ...
The entire game is pure rng
proper furnace
Not speedrun or heat
iron barn
The entire game is pure rng
no its not. just get the boons
random relic
no its not. just get the boons
smart
iron barn
🙄
tender latch
What're considered the best hammers in order for rama?
Should I take twin over perfect
lucid oar
Twin > triple >> perfect > point blank >>>>> the rest
proper furnace
Double dmg kinda good
tender latch
big
lucid oar
You want one of the first 2 and one of the second 2
tender latch
figured since rama is pretty close range anyway
random relic
Twin > triple >> perfect > point blank >>>>> the rest
chain>>>>the rest
fresh rover
hrm i rmbr someone recently posted a link to a website that had a pretty indepth review of all weapons / aspects and general tips... anyone know what i'm talking about? it's a site that's just a giant hades guide
random relic
fresh rover
yay perfect thank you
wary adder
this game too complicated maybe ill just speedrun celeste and not have to worry about when to load my cast into the beo shield
cunning urchin
Twin > triple >> perfect > point blank >>>>> the rest
I like Point-Blank more than Perfect Shot on Rama.
random relic
same
twin cloak
Twin > triple >> perfect > point blank >>>>> the rest
repulse >>>>>
dreamy prism
I like explosive
twin cloak
the arrow guide thing not going through the enemy makes me sad
strange lark
Bruh relentless volley is the best
iron barn
what does anvil do if you dont have hammers
strange lark
you cant take it
iron barn
oh wow
never seen that interaction before
so sad
"poor me" -zag
do the circles on em4 hades skulls pull you in
strange lark
they slow you
proper furnace
@tender latch you use stygian so they arent stuck on the ground
And you use it thanks to a funny little glitch
Where its pom scaling is messed and is actually double
tender latch
Say what now
tight basin
It's such a weird bug considering it doesn't happen on Hera lmao
proper furnace
First pom gives 120 dlg
proper furnace
It's such a weird bug considering it doesn't happen on Hera lmao
And not other flares
tight basin
They're not bugs they're a feature
proper furnace
Why is beowulf specifically getting all the busted bugs
Nobody ran casts on beo so nobody noticed those things
And flares are just weird in general
tender latch
Optimal beowulf is hunting blades ez
proper furnace
Cant get it
tender latch
That's the joke
proper furnace
Optimal is stacking backstab dmg on thunder flare
Bc for whatever reason is a thing it can do
Sometimes
strange lark
reminds me of when angel thought that thunder cast could backstab and then she realized she had parting shot
proper furnace
Old times where you could get parting shot on beo
And it did exactly nothing
Loved it
proper furnace
So true
tender latch
Rockets can deal backstab, right
strange lark
no
tender latch
Backstab clockets would be incredibly funny
proper furnace
@tender latchif the Than room reward is one that opens at menu just let Than do the last kill and wait at the door (or near it)
then as soon the reward drops open the menu and just chill there till Than leaves
tender latch
That's just boons and hammers, right
tender latch
Ah right
proper furnace
for non menu thans just hope there is a fish nearby
tender latch
If you're just trying to get your time lower, is it basically just em2?
3 feels kinda hit or miss
tender latch
chariot theseus is easy to wail on, second phase is easy to kill, but asterius is an asshat
Ah
Gotcha
random relic
em3 makes both of them harder to kill and they have more hp
tender latch
Why run fo2? Asphodel skeletons are a pain in the ass as it is
Faster armored slamdancers would make me jump in lava
random relic
Why run fo2? Asphodel skeletons are a pain in the ass as it is
makes enemies spawn faster
tender latch
Ah
random relic
and bosses phase faster
proper furnace
on unmodded you can do fo1 for beo
cuz no cshot aspho is gonna suck
like, a lot
random relic
yeah
tender latch
How exactly do people track down or group aspho skeletons
It's such a pain when I kill an entire room and can't find the last enemy
tender latch
😩
safe moss
whats everyones favorite bow setup
tender latch
Rama with aphro attack zeus special is really nice
Also helps you get smoldering air
I got a zeus call + smair as early as 2nd room asphodel before
random relic
yeah rama is really fun
iron barn
ok but consider: funny big number
arte attack aphro special into heart rend ❤️🔥
then just get triple point blank for bigger numbers
dusky tinsel
hewo
adamant rail is good according to me
i like delta chamber
delta with support fire and zeus attack is absurd dps
combined with cluster bomb athena is doubly absurd
proper furnace
Delta chamber so safe
fresh rover
just got my fastest run with hera bow, crush shot, snow burst, splash dash (re: bow setup)
random relic
arte attack aphro special into heart rend ❤️🔥
but no zeus then
zeus special so good
fresh rover
hm i'm trying to use zeus shield right now and every time i throw it out it just travels in a straight line rly far away from me
how do i throw it out a short distance and just let it hover right next to me?
strange lark
you cant really do that
you just have to practice throwing out the shield and recalling it at the right times
tight basin
there's no max distance on the shield until you hit a wall or something i believe
proper furnace
how do i throw it out a short distance and just let it hover right next to me?
You can recall it instantly and make it chase you
fresh rover
oh dang how do i hit ppl into it consistently then... when i recall it i catch it too fast >.>
proper furnace
Zeus kinda hard
tight basin
just dont use the special and treat it as bad zag shield
fresh rover
lol then i'd just play zag shield
maiden wolf
i still think zeus isnt hard for me
fresh rover
do you kite in a circle?
maiden wolf
what, ew no
strange lark
i mean thats one way to play zeus
maiden wolf
i micromanage its position while fighting at the same time
tight basin
last time i played i just threw it, did my own thing, and forget that the shield came back to me and i can use it again
lucid oar
Aspect of cshot is easier
dreamy prism
this guy on yt is pretty good at zeus
no that guy is trash at zeus
worst hades player I ever saw in my life
maiden wolf
you can be fighting one thing while the special is chewing up something else
tight basin
i simply do not have the brain power do do that
lucid oar
Main attack is doo doo unless you have charged shot
It should be used for pushing things into the special
And if you have charged shot, just play charged shot lol
strange lark
Main attack is doo doo unless you have charged shot
just get drunken strike and 10 poms
lucid oar
True
dreamy prism
Main attack is doo doo unless you have charged shot
you're doo doo
tight basin
Main attack is doo doo unless you have charged shot
i'm pretty sure i made the first hammer cshot instead of exploding return lmao
lucid oar
🥺
dreamy prism
cshot zeus is beyond based
lucid oar
i'm pretty sure i made the first hammer cshot instead of exploding return lmao
I experimented with ER but didn’t win
strange lark
elden ring is good
lucid oar
That too
lucid oar
I never beat it :ooo:
strange lark
ye
dreamy prism
I did it
strange lark
all i saw was flames no cap my g
dreamy prism
Have you seen Gilgamesh sub 6
I Sub6'd Gilgamesh
lucid oar
Oh damn
dreamy prism
I.S.G
lucid oar
IPB
maiden wolf
i agree that myrmidon bracer is the ebst keepsake but cshot is not lame
tight basin
cshot best zeus shield hammer
strange lark
cshot best sword hammer
tight basin
true
maiden wolf
wh i thought you were talking about crush shot as in the aphro cast
strange lark
charged shot
maiden wolf
confus
maiden wolf
no on chaos its fine
it lets you hang back while you spam out ranged and its pretty good
can we all agree though that any range reducing hammer for bow or gun is just terrible though
maiden wolf
well on bow its not the worst thing in the world
strange lark
because zag rail has extra ammo
maiden wolf
i guess? but spread fire hitbox is a lot shorter than the image effect and its so annoying
strange lark
it seems fine to me
maiden wolf
i got it on hestia once for the prophecy and im never taking it ever again
strange lark
honestly it doesnt matter for hestia since it doesnt hurt you
you just spam empowered shots
maiden wolf
yeah but
thats not the worst of it
i also took triple bomb for the phrophecy
and that
that actually didnt help at all
i was still using shift for special at the time
and it screwed up my mechanical rythym so bad
maiden wolf
eris is a bit easier but hestia has better potential i think
strange lark
both are really strong aspects
twin cloak
hestia players cranking out 15 actions per second to barely be as fast as eris
twin cloak
i agree that myrmidon bracer is the ebst keepsake but cshot is not lame
myrmidon bracer sucks
strange lark
i only have fun with lucifer if i have triple bomb
twin cloak
L unmodded
maiden wolf
myrmidon bracer sucks
hun, take a loot at your username
strange lark
twin cloak
W not playing the game though
maiden wolf
this is so sad
i genuinely use myrmidon tho
very good
unless im on shield then i never take
strange lark
just get an aphro boon and take acorn
i think aphro base damage reduction is more than bracer
maiden wolf
or get aphro boon and myrmidon and take like fifteen damage from hades sweeps
lucid oar
~~hestia players cranking out 15 actions per second to barely be as fast as eris...
Eris players entering furies with level 1 lightning strike
strange lark
or get aphro boon and myrmidon and take like fifteen damage from hades sweeps
taking 0 damage with acorn better
maiden wolf
acorn only works five times regardless of the hits damage
maiden wolf
not if he spawns... specific enemies
twin cloak
acorn really starts to shine when you start cranking up the Hard Labor
but like
tooth or spiked collar
even spearpoint
strange lark
bracer makes you take 30% less damage from the front which is the same as an aphro boon
maiden wolf
tooth and spiked collar are the most meh keepsakes
strange lark
and 10% more from the back for some reason
strange lark
tooth and spiked collar are the most meh keepsakes
spiked collar is meh but tooth is pretty good once you get to high heat
maiden wolf
and for some reason if you are paying attention to the game you never end up taking damage from the back
lucid oar
Tooth is goated
maiden wolf
im not really here to debate the end all be all best trinket im here to enjoy my own choice of trinket and nothing else
proper furnace
bracer makes you take 30% less damage from the front which is the same as an aph...
Thought it was 20
proper furnace
and for some reason if you are paying attention to the game you *never end up ta...
I mean no one cares about 10% dmg taken
It doesnt balance beo either
strange lark
Thought it was 20
idk wiki might be wrong
strange lark
I mean no one cares about 10% dmg taken
i just think its funny how they decided to add that into the game
proper furnace
Zag cry my beloved
random relic
why did he delete them 😔
strange lark
now that we have the new zag emotes when are we getting croven and boulyai
can we get wide charon too
proper furnace
We should get :MercifulEnd:
random relic
can we get wide charon too
lol wide charon is my favorite
strange lark
:widecharon3:
fresh rover
do the bonds forged things have any affect on the keepsakes?
random relic
no
fresh rover
do they have any affect on anything? lol
random relic
no
soft kiln
what is the situation where i want spread fire
lucid oar
Zag rail
dreamy prism
what is the situation where i want spread fire
if you have zag rail you need spread fire, if you don't have zag rail avoid spread fire because it'll either do nothing or downgrade you
soft kiln
and i assume it's an artemis spec?
dreamy prism
any +% is good
tight basin
What do I put for the atk for spread fire zag btw I think I did like aphro last time
dreamy prism
arty aphro dem athena
dreamy prism
oh yes ME is really good too
plain river
ME spreadfire zag rail
soft kiln
if you don't get spread fire zag rail is just bad eris?
plain river
it’s just better eris wdym 
tight basin
Obv better because you get more ammo
plain river
More ammo = more betterer
tight basin
Double the ammo means double the damage and eris is only 75% more damage 🧠
random relic
if you don't get spread fire zag rail is just bad eris?
yeah
plain river
Plus on eris you’re trying to hit yourself with your special which means you don’t take the best special hammer on rail, hazard bomb
iron barn
can someone remind me what spread fire does again i vaguely remember it from like 150 runs ago then i never took it again
tight basin
Shotgun
plain river
40 damage attack, shotgun,
tight basin
-6 ammo trade off
iron barn
Plus on eris you’re trying to hit yourself with your special which means you don...
you don't take it if you're a coward
how fast does it tick?
plain river
you don't take it if you're a coward
I don’t play eris so I don’t take it
iron barn
ok
tight basin
It's like 3 shots a second or something
plain river
Still good
iron barn
so basically youre playing fists but better in every way possible
dreamy prism
yeah spread fire is a really good hammer
that's what I noticed about it
better fists
fists but high damage
plain river
And it doesn’t change the hestia shot
tight basin
Better fists but you have to reload
iron barn
And it doesn’t change the hestia shot
imagine
tight basin
Spread fire hestia is an interesting choice because you already have aphro atk lmao
soft kiln
is legacy better on artemis runs since you don't really care about % but you really want heart rend and stuff?
iron barn
"i cast sawed-off shotgun at point blank range"
plain river
If only hestia shotgun
soft kiln
And it doesn’t change the hestia shot
i really wish it did
dreamy prism
is legacy better on artemis runs since you don't really care about % but you rea...
yeah arty is fine with legacy
plain river
the same range as hestia shots 🧠
dreamy prism
although note that hunter's mark really cares about rarity
plain river
And like rd cares about rarity as well
tight basin
Hermes in general yeah
dreamy prism
and RD is especially powerful on artemis
tight basin
Epic rd with crit goes hard
random relic
depends on the build
i think pride is superior on almost every single build even if youre going for like heart rend or smth
dreamy prism
i think pride is superior on almost every single build even if youre going for l...
ok legacy sub 6 user
random relic
ok legacy sub 6 user
bruh its beo
random relic
i think pride is superior on almost every single build even if youre going for l...
anyways the reason for this is that chaos/hermes/support boons being epic is way more important than getting the duo, unless youre running ME
which is why if youre doing ME at a low level id suggest running legacy
because not getting the duo in a casual run hurts
anyways yeah hr is important but not as important as chaos/hermes/support boons
id take epic rd instead of common over getting hr earlier
soft kiln
anyways the reason for this is that chaos/hermes/support boons being epic is way...
i'm doing a zag bow run and while i appreciate all of your points getting heart rend, smoldering air, lightning rod, and splitting bolt by the middle of elysium is sweet XD
soft kiln
aphro special
proper furnace
is legacy better on artemis runs since you don't really care about % but you rea...
Chaos boons on artemis too good
tight basin
aphro special
Not great way of applying weak but a duos a duo lol
iron barn
i'm doing a zag bow run and while i appreciate all of your points getting heart ...
what do you have splitting bolt on? special?
oh nvm literally illiterate
random relic
i'm doing a zag bow run and while i appreciate all of your points getting heart ...
bruh wtf
the casts sitting on the ground are doing more damage than the attack lol
soft kiln
the casts sitting on the ground are doing more damage than the attack lol
this basically always being the case without rush delivery or chaos?
random relic
this basically always being the case without rush delivery or chaos?
i was making a joke lol
but those were some insane lightning bolts
just needed double strike
plain river
True I do take hunter cast to open duos when I can’t use other cores
random relic
its called true shot not hunter cast smh
plain river
Is flood flare rarity important?
random relic
its nice but not that important
definitely not as important as something like doom rarity
so you dont reset for it lol
plain river
I mean I got epic but just realised I didn’t switch back to dark foresight after my attempted cursed run
fresh rover
if you get cluster bomb and then rocket bomb, does rocket bomb override the first cluster bomb you get? or do you get like 5 rockets that shoot out lol
soft kiln
explosive return scales with special damage right?
so if you get it early on zeus does that make it worth it to go with a percentage special?
proper furnace
It also spreads the effect of it so zeus^2 is still better
The only effect it doesnt apply is crit
For whatever reason
dreamy prism
bruh what
soft kiln
What does Zeus squared mean?
dreamy prism
zeus special on zeus shield
soft kiln
so am i just getting % from chaos then?
dreamy prism
well the special isn't meant to deal that much damage relative to the zeus boon
you can absolutely do +% based special with max zeus shield though
it's ultimately less viable than zeus zeus but it's still pretty good
soft kiln
does hte play just become spam special and return then?
soft kiln
would purple swift flourish be good with exploding return then? to just spam it fast?
i have that or rare hyper sprint
random relic
would purple swift flourish be good with exploding return then? to just spam it ...
no
swift flourish only affects the speed of the shield on return or something like that
it doesnt make it pulse faster
soft kiln
i thought it also reduced the cooldown
soft kiln
empowering flight, dashing wallop, or charged shot? right now i just have zeus special and exploding with artemis cast, jolt, and high voltage
oh i'm supposed to be attacking too? i was just repeatedly specialing
random relic
empowering flight, dashing wallop, or charged shot? right now i just have zeus ...
cshot
second best zeus hammer
dreamy prism
*best zeus hammer
soft kiln
i don't really understand how i'm supposed to play cshot and zeus special together
am i just supposed to leave special out until it's not hitting anything and bring it back? or try to shoot out a cshot while it's come back?
random relic
yeah idk im not very good at zeus
soft kiln
yeah idk im not very good at zeus
um
i have double strike fwiw
i think i'm taking splitting bolt because i can get rod from zeus and artemis but that might be wrong
cunning urchin
Take Splitting Bolt, yeah.
young dirge
Hello I just wanted to thank the folk in this discord who tried to help me with my Fists build on 32 heat earlier this week.
I have beaten the game with fists now on my 137 attempts with help of my viewers and a lot of perseverance and practice. Did it live on stream and everything for the Starlight Foundations charity month.
I jumped into 32 heat runs after beating Hades only 11 times and had never done heat before - didn't even have any calls unlocked or all the trinkets and powerups. So it was, well, a steep learning curve.
But in the end, after doing this every single day this month for the Charity stream I was able to beat Hades on 32 heat for the charity event before it ended at the end of the month.
So thanks a bunch everyone here who attempted to help me and at Supergiant for your wonderful game. My hands are sore as hell but we did a good thing for the kids too.
So I just want to say don't give up, you can do it. 32 heat can be done!
lucid oar
twin cloak
Best hammer combo in the game, esp for eris
Draining cutter rush kick:
twin cloak
i don't really understand how i'm supposed to play cshot and zeus special togeth...
Ur supposed to throw it out and try to hit enemies witj it
soft kiln
Ur supposed to throw it out and try to hit enemies witj it
Yep
random relic
yeah its a lot easier to do without cshot hence why cshot is worse than ER, but cshot just does so much damage on its own that its worth taking
twin cloak
zeus shield was never east anyway
soft kiln
yeah its a lot easier to do without cshot hence why cshot is worse than ER, but ...
i don't really understand this sentence
also i picked up flying cutter and i'm not sure if i regret it
it seems like what it actually does is shoot out a second special (possibly at range) after the giga cutter
rugged gulch
anyone got any Malphon - Gilgamesh aspect build suggestions? =0
I wanna clear it with a relatively hard heat strat. =0
strange lark
ares attack athena special athena dash merciful end
iron barn
anyone got any Malphon - Gilgamesh aspect build suggestions? =0
poseidon dash greatest reflex
soft kiln
poseidon dash greatest reflex
Get the befriend theseus and asterius mod and take rank 3 asterius keepsake for 3 more dashes too
tight basin
Minimum rarity is rare at max level I believe
random relic
Wait asterius keepsake gives 3 dashes?
bruh wtf
tight basin
Or guarantee epics if you also get Eurydice
random relic
Or guarantee epics if you also get Eurydice
thats not how rarity stacking works
sadly
strange lark
Yeah I can see it being good in aspho
soft kiln
Yeah I have the mod but I never use the keepsakes. Asterius is too dumb
random relic
yep
strange lark
But most of the time you force another god
random relic
theyll both increase chance for epic but it wont be guaranteed
soft kiln
They want to bang all the time tgough
strange lark
Yeah I have the mod but I never use the keepsakes. Asterius is too dumb
12 dashes with Gilgamesh :)
soft kiln
Way more often than Meg and thanatos
tight basin
But most of the time you force another god
with hestia you only need aphro atk and you're fine tho right
strange lark
Pretty much
tight basin
so could take it on hestia for aspho and get rare hermes
soft kiln
Probably fine in any run with Zeus attack too
Since you could just get only Zeus boons and be stoked
I usually take Artemis on hestia because I like big numbers. Probably bad though but I always feel worse at the end when I'm still getting % increases and it's just not doing much
tight basin
crits on hestia is overkill when it happens lol
that's why aphro is generally better, you're consistently 1 or 2 shotting enemies without a 15% chance
soft kiln
Is aphro also better on Rama?
I get why Arty is better on nemesis and zag bow since the extra crit makes it consistent
tight basin
i think that one is more interchangeable, esp with heart rend being easily applicable
also shared suffering can pick up some of the slack if you don't crit
soft kiln
I realized today that I am terrible at power shotting with rama
tight basin
it's not easy lol
soft kiln
It was like 150 256 150 567! At that point I realized it was wrong
I also realized I just like zagbow better. I know Rama is more dumb but zagbow is more streamlined
Dumb as in poweful
tight basin
i mean sometimes you dont need the powershot for all the damage, sometimes it's better to just release early so you can reposition yourself if you're in danger
soft kiln
Yeah I was just messing up even when I had time
tight basin
zag bow is much easier in the sense it's only dash striking and occasionally casting for boiling blood lol
soft kiln
Incidentally I was trying out FO1. Maybe Rama wasn't the best first weapon for that
tight basin
oh def not lol
even if you're accustomed to fo2, first trying out rama on fo2 can be a pain because of how slow it is
tight basin
rama zeus if based if you're not running td lol
the internal cooldown only lets like 1 of those hit
acoustic vale
I use Chiron because it's the only bow I don't hate specifically because I'm bad at power shots
tight basin
it do be like that
soft kiln
Yeah that's why it's the same as chiron
tight basin
oh wait i'm dumb lol
soft kiln
But you don't have to attack first
soft kiln
I donno but that's not good with Zeus anyway
tight basin
well you can get relentless on rama so that's neat
acoustic vale
Zeus cool down seems to make it just bad
soft kiln
Eh get tidal dash and sea storm and just ram into things between specials
That'll win
Besides its just identical to Zeus Chiron. So unless all of your Chiron runs are Artemis special it's probably the same
twin cloak
rip you can't
That's not a rip that's 1 less useless hammer
soft kiln
Actually does concentrated volley make aphro special also good on Chiron since it increases base damage? Or will Arty still just be better.
tight basin
That's not a rip that's 1 less useless hammer
conc volley rama is funny tho
tight basin
Actually does concentrated volley make aphro special also good on Chiron since i...
i think arty is better mainly because of heart rend and crits stacking better than straight aphro damage
random relic
That's not a rip that's 1 less useless hammer
conc volley would literally be the best hammer on rama
iron barn
Get the befriend theseus and asterius mod and take rank 3 asterius keepsake for ...
"hm this seems like a fun mod i sure hope the new keepsakes offered are balanced"
random relic
soft kiln
"hm this seems like a fun mod i sure hope the new keepsakes offered are balanced...
I guess it was better than most other keepsakes being hot garbage
tight basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnnxE9p6QY
wtf how is that so much damage
dreamy prism
and horrific base damage means +base is op
tight basin
jesus christ
dreamy prism
chiron in shambles
random relic
its so absurd how good it would be
special only rama wouldnt be a meme
itd be a legit build
iron barn
wait is this the thing where concentrated carries between specials with purple swift flourish
random relic
sadly, this is not the world we live in
cunning urchin
It's not a meme anyway. It's just better to also use your Attack. Special-only is still plenty strong, though.
random relic
wait is this the thing where concentrated carries between specials with purple s...
yeah thats what happens on chiron
tight basin
oh that explains a lot more actually
cunning urchin
If you want to 50 Rama without learning the aspect, you just do a Special build.
random relic
but rama doesnt even need the hermes special to carry it over
twin cloak
Well if you asked me i'm glad special only rama isn't a thing
random relic
It's not a meme anyway. It's just better to also use your Attack. Special-only i...
ehh its still wayy worse
cunning urchin
Still better than a lot of other aspects.
random relic
i mean when youre comparing to like zag fists yeah
cunning urchin
All of the Malphon aspects.
random relic
but its easier to just barely learn how to use the attack
dreamy prism
Well if you asked me i'm glad special only rama isn't a thing
unaruably
random relic
unaruably indeed
cunning urchin
but its easier to just barely learn how to use the attack
No, that requires a lot more effort than holding down one button.
dreamy prism
can special only rama actually 50
cunning urchin
Sure.
dreamy prism
was considering dio too
strange lark
can special only rama actually 50
It can 55+ I'm pretty sure
random relic
No, that requires a lot more effort than holding down one button.
theres no way it does
dreamy prism
bruh
cunning urchin
Special-only is pretty much how people did it early on.
dreamy prism
special only rama is def still worse than no special zeus though
random relic
what pact do i even use
dreamy prism
lol
random relic
i dont want to take ri or ap2 but i might have to
dreamy prism
true
cunning urchin
I wouldn't do EM4, probably.
dreamy prism
but you're gonna go for splitting bolt so you want legacy
but legacy is a scam so still take pride
random relic
twin cloak
i dont want to take ri or ap2 but i might have to
Take ap2 and just ignore it
random relic
this is the highest you can go without taking bad pacts
strange lark
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1013553853947457618/...
Too much cf
random relic
this is the highest you can go without taking bad pacts
and i mean cp2 is already pretty bad
strange lark
Just do AP2 and use drunken flourish
cunning urchin
AP2 and just get lucky.
random relic
AP2 and just get lucky.
get lucky for epic jolted, double strike, and splitting bolt?
acoustic vale
If you want to 50 Rama without learning the aspect, you just do a Special build.
Explain
random relic
that sounds like youre asking a bit too much of ap
cunning urchin
You don't need all three of those lol.
acoustic vale
Just ge- yeah
random relic
You don't need all three of those lol.
i mean for dps, yes you do
tight basin
just get the boons™️
random relic
well, im doing ri1 ap1 and just hoping to get lucky with rarity
cunning urchin
Enjoy your run with no Dark Foresight.
twin cloak
get lucky for epic jolted, double strike, and splitting bolt?
It's easy
Watch me get it in 1 run after i get off work
random relic
Enjoy your run with no Dark Foresight.
enjoy yours with no jolted double or splitting
cunning urchin
Bruh.
cunning urchin
horheristo did 50 Heat Rama with Special only day 1. Got nerfed pretty fast after that, but the basic idea is still the same.
random relic
died in c12 due to hc and dds
lucid oar
Special only 50 sounds fun
Oh that reminds me
I got to lernie at gy 50 before realising I was on dds
Gy… good?
twin cloak
Gy insane
random relic
i got decently into ely on a 50 attempt before realizing i was on dds lmao
turns out delta good
twin cloak
When u get cskewer gy just plays so nicely
cunning urchin
I got to lernie at gy 50 before realising I was on dds
With or without Charged Skewer?
cunning urchin
It's definitely way better in modded than in vanilla, yeah, just for that.
But even then, the low HP is pretty brutal in later chambers and boss fights. You just simply can't afford as many mistakes per room as with any other aspect.
random relic
this would probably be good if kbm auto aim didnt suck so much
cunning urchin
Haven't tried KBM, but I can see that being a lot more difficult than on pad.
strange lark
this would probably be good if kbm auto aim didnt suck so much
Skill issue
random relic
Haven't tried KBM, but I can see that being a lot more difficult than on pad.
yeah you just miss what youre aiming at like 50% of the time
cunning urchin
On pad, you just hold down Special and it does all the thinking for you.
random relic
yeah the skill floor is def way higher on kbm
died to furies
i still think this is way harder than normal rama but its possible that thats just a kbm issue
twin cloak
Or an issue of the skill kind
cunning urchin
i still think this is way harder than normal rama but its possible that thats ju...
If you're half decent at Rama, you're better off using both Attack and Special. If you're bad at Rama, then it's pretty much the easiest way.
random relic
If you're half decent at Rama, you're better off using both Attack and Special. ...
it doesnt take much to be half decent
it taked an insane amount of skill to be good, but not half decent
cunning urchin
Idk, tell that to all the high heat players who kept telling me Rama was difficult to learn when I said it's pretty easy to learn.
dreamy prism
it doesnt take much to be half decent
if that's the case then why does rama 50 keep kicking my ass
random relic
if that's the case then why does rama 50 keep kicking my ass
because youre terrible at high heat
definitely
dreamy prism
yeah that's also true
if it can't block everything mindlessly or instantly deal damage at range I'm bad with it at high heat
cunning urchin
The easy answer is to just reset for rare/epic Greatest Reflex.
random relic
if it can't block everything mindlessly or instantly deal damage at range I'm ba...
hey, it takes a lot of skill to be good at zag shield
or at least i think so
dreamy prism
hey, it takes a lot of skill to be good at zag shield
against normal rooms maybe a little
against dad and styx it's such a joke
random relic
Do 55 instead.
yeah youre right thats way easier
cunning urchin
Sometimes that can legit help tbh because you're not learning or putting in the right effort if you aren't properly motivated.
cunning urchin
55 might be too much, but maybe practice at 50.
random relic
i have
and i dont like it
and i suck at it
also, i still maintain that luci is the easiest 50
hard briar
mfw my highest heat is 21
cunning urchin
When I was grinding 50 Heat Malphon during Early Access and wasn't making any progress, I got fed up eventually and just dropped HL5 to HL0 and got Talos WR at 45 in like 1 or 2 runs lol.
hard briar
extreme measures theseus claps these cheeks
cunning urchin
EM3 can be difficult to learn. I'd suggest focusing on just optimizing your builds. More damage will definitely help a lot by just making the fight a lot shorter.
Acorn also helps a lot.
hard briar
ive beaten em4 dad like twice but i had everything else turned off, and i got lucky with the adds he spawned
random relic
em4 is really difficult
plus summon rng is so stupid
the fact that you could either get 3 bballs or 3 crushers depending on what the game feels like is insane
hard briar
do they always spawn with impenetrable armor? i had the flower ball dispenser spawn in a case of metal i think
cunning urchin
EM4 difficulty depends even more on your build than EM3.
hard briar
maybe i had the pact for extra perks on armored enemies turned up
cunning urchin
His summons are always superelites even in the normal fight, so they always have that color.
Benefits Package doesn't affect his summons.
Only the superelites that you can find in Erebus can have BP perks.
random relic
Benefits Package doesn't affect his summons.
3 speeder slugger bballs just sounds like a special kind of hell
random relic
Only the superelites that you can find in Erebus can have BP perks.
also yeah i find this insane
hard briar
what enemies willl he never summon? does he summon the skeleton heads from tartarus?
random relic
in em4 he can summon doomstones, sneaks, bballs, crushers, and megagorgons
hard briar
does he summon the poison dart shooters from styx?
dreamy prism
other times he spawns super archers
random relic
does he summon the poison dart shooters from styx?
no
cunning urchin
does he summon the poison dart shooters from styx?
No, the Satyrs aren't undead.
tight basin
No cure for poison on the surface either
random relic
bye bye acorn
more like bye bye sd bc there are no healing fountains or whatever
dreamy prism
what if you had to drink the greece water
cunning urchin
Sigil cures poison.