What's your pact?
#h1-builds-and-combat
tight basin
strange lark
There's a pin in #h1-high-heat-strategies for a good 32 pact
tight basin
Yeah
lavish trail
i'm not doing LC4 because, once again, I am NOT good enough to survive on 60% hp, not against bosses and not in normal rooms depending on the rng i get for enemies
I know, that's what I based this one on
strange lark
Still could've put some points into lc and hl
acoustic vale
I'd suggest going down in heat tbh
proper furnace
Lc2 is still +2 hp no?
strange lark
Don't need to go all the way to lc4
lavish trail
I'd suggest going down in heat tbh
im not going down in heat, the entire point here is for me to get 32 heat on all weapons
I have it on Fists, Rail and Shield, but Sword is really kicking my ass
acoustic vale
I genuinely suggest Arthur then tbh
lavish trail
did you look at my pact in #h1-victory-boasting ?
soft kiln
have you tried poseidon? or just ignoring the sword and doing a splash dash build?
might be the safest routes
proper furnace
Dc2 in any sword is an eh for me
acoustic vale
Yeah but I don't recognize the symbols
lavish trail
I'm using poseidon as we speak
strange lark
Dc2 32 is kinda eh
proper furnace
Also yeah reject weapon play tidal dash-smair is legit lol
strange lark
^
acoustic vale
^
lavish trail
honestly, this poseidon sword run is going really well, I was kicking ass, I got art's legendary and have 6 bloodstones
I walked into the bull fight with 2 DDs
and ran out of time and i'm not using lucky tooth praying desparately for a well to give me back a DD
I have no idea how to go fast
strange lark
Dc2 castspect moment
tight basin
Dc2 shafts a lot of castpects
twin cloak
Nice benefits package 2
soft kiln
MEris with rocket bomb, purple swift flourish and no dash yet
targeting system?
it's just targeting system over spread fire and flurry fire right
strange lark
Yes target
twin cloak
Wait you can get targeting witj rocket?
strange lark
Yeah
proper furnace
Ye
soft kiln
apparnetly
twin cloak
Wtf?
soft kiln
does it just effect whatever you hit?
twin cloak
How does that even work
strange lark
Yes
proper furnace
does it just effect whatever you hit?
Ye
twin cloak
Wouldn't be the jankiest thing sgg did
soft kiln
i don't suppose rocket bomb counts as a dash-strike if i dash before using it
i know it works on fist but yeah
strange lark
It doesn't yea
soft kiln
k
so it's not actually whatever i hit with the rocket
it's maybe a cone in front? i was hitting things to the side with it the debuff
weird stuff
strange lark
Idk how it works it's weird
proper furnace
Funky little hamner
proper furnace
Died to styx or dad?
lavish trail
I only lost because satyr sack was in tunnel 5
proper furnace
Dc2 moment
lavish trail
You guys are right about everything here
I could make this so much easier on myself if I took the time to learn how to mod, or to use LC4 strats
but
I literally have 3 runs left to complete before I finish this save file and probably am finished with this game
tight basin
3 more weapons for 32 heat?
proper furnace
Nah you jump to 40 next 
acoustic vale
Please turn DC off at least
proper furnace
^
lavish trail
and relearning a bunch of stuff for that little doesn't FEEL as worth it to my short term brain as just praying that RNG blesses me on a run or two
tight basin
That's why you do 40 and 50 heat next lol
acoustic vale
Trust me DC is not good with these weapons
lavish trail
yeah DC on poseidon was not a good choice
tight basin
DC isn't good with any weapon (except maybe fists) for that matter lmao
lavish trail
yep, I used DC on fists only
acoustic vale
I've heard it's okay with rail
lavish trail
Well about that
strange lark
I literally have 3 runs left to complete before I finish this save file and prob...
Not gonna even try to beat anyheat wr 😧
lavish trail
my rail build was a shackle hestia build lol
proper furnace
I've heard it's okay with rail
It is but losing fiery isnt great
soft kiln
the mods are like 10 minutes tbh if that was something you were interested in doing
acoustic vale
I wonder what anyheat wr for Arthur is and if it's optimized
strange lark
It's kinda optimized
Just turns it into poseidon
Beats the prev wr by a min or something
strange lark
Why AP2 ri1
lavish trail
because I was getting 400+ damage per shot with hestia reload spam once chaos buffed my attack, i literally didnt care about any other boons or having to roll for anything
strange lark
Losing a part of your mirror kinda bad tho
lavish trail
well I cleared 32 heat first try with it
strange lark
And if you do get some bad boons you won't have rerolls
lavish trail
I didn't care what boons I got
acoustic vale
Hmm. I wonder if I could take the wr. Probably not.
lavish trail
I was just spamming attack-reload
tight basin
losing dark foresight kinda doodoo and if you're forced into a boon and it lands on attack you can be screwed but whatever you already got it
strange lark
Hmm. I wonder if I could take the wr. Probably not.
Anything is possible, it's like mid 6 mins
acoustic vale
I gotta find a video of this or something. Now I kinda wanna do it.
lavish trail
losing dark foresight kinda doodoo and if you're forced into a boon and it lands...
i got a key in tartarus so I had 1 roll if necessary
tight basin
oh that's convenient lol
lavish trail
you usually can find at least one key in tart pretty much every run
so I'm gonna take a break from sword attempts and try a spear or two. Do I go achilles and try hunting blades or do I go guan yu and buff the hell out of my special?
soft kiln
i literally just lost a td3 run to gy being slow af lol
lavish trail
also besides LC4 SD, any other necessary parts of the pact I need to consider?
tight basin
guan yu is probably the easiest imo but gonna have to be mindful ofy our hp
proper furnace
Im team hunting blades personally
tight basin
also besides LC4 SD, any other necessary parts of the pact I need to consider?
not really tbh
lavish trail
because I'm going to be real stubborn about refusing to learn LC4 unless like a week goes by and I stil make no progress
proper furnace
Can mind less the hammer resets if you focus on cast
tight basin
lc4 takes heat off of a few places in your pact
strange lark
Hunting blades is probably easiest
soft kiln
while we're on the subject can someone explain why lc4 is easier than having 3 dds
lavish trail
lc4 takes heat off of a few places in your pact
i know but I refuse to get good enough at dodging to try playing each room with 60% hp
soft kiln
or like easier than lc2 where you can at least heal between rooms
proper furnace
while we're on the subject can someone explain why lc4 is easier than having 3 d...
No need to add heat on other pacts
tight basin
oh i forgot that gy doesn't have charaged skewer built into it 
i was basing it off of my 32 gy run
yeah hunting blades probably the best
proper furnace
4 heat kinda a lot for a way easier pact than other options
Reverse heightened security
soft kiln
meme beams are more fun than hunting blades imo
proper furnace
They are but they feel so sad if you dont get everything
lavish trail
but it's also harder because you have only 30% hp twice per room
soft kiln
4 heat kinda a lot for a way easier pact than other options
what changes with lc4 that doesn't work with the rest of the game? i think i do rely on healing between rooms quite a bit
lavish trail
With LC4 do you automatically take every centaur heart that shows up?
tight basin
but it's also harder because you have only 30% hp twice per room
practicing fo2 bp2 in lower heat runs can help a lot, or just basic speedrunning
soft kiln
i just realized i took a gold room instead of ares in styx when i don't have impending doom yet
i'm very dumb
lavish trail
like I couldnt imagine SD being good unless you have like 400 hp
proper furnace
With LC4 do you automatically take every centaur heart that shows up?
Depends on hp/own judgement
tight basin
yes^
sometimes early on i'd rather take a pom over a heart but hearts are pretty key
acoustic vale
I did it on my 32 heat run
soft kiln
Some well items/bouldy/patty hydralite dont work with lc4
so no healing at all seems very difficult to me
proper furnace
Like depending on the aspect i can be chill with 150 hp entering styx lol
proper furnace
so no healing at all seems very difficult to me
Thats what the sd is for
lavish trail
Like depending on the aspect i can be chill with 150 hp entering styx lol
okay but you're freaking INSANE at this game
strange lark
I didn't take many hearts in on of my 32 heat speedruns and left bull fight at 2 hp
lavish trail
and don't say youre not please
soft kiln
i think you may be over estimating the skill gap here
strange lark
They are not insnae
proper furnace
And still "healing" through hearts/touch of styx chaos hp buff
soft kiln
i know everyone here is better at the game than i am but i don't think it's like completely insurmountable margin for most of them
tight basin
i mean yeah they're very good at the game but at the same time you're using a pretty hurtful pact that makes it harder
proper furnace
okay but you're freaking INSANE at this game
I mean i used lc2-3 for my first 32 but then i just used lc4 as i had a way harder time
tight basin
same
lavish trail
i know everyone here is better at the game than i am but i don't think it's like...
I don't think it's insurmountable either but it really is a gap though
proper furnace
Pos sword having phalanx and possble aphro makes it a lot safer tha you think
lavish trail
like only 7% of players have even completed 16 heat a single time
tight basin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858109467787001856/903859849455091722/unknown.png?width=1188&height=670
my first 32 heat pact was a bit atrocious and it took over 10 tries lmao
lavish trail
the regulars here are clearing like 40 and 50 heat
i feel like that's very very good at this game lol
dapper surge
Kinda a dumb question but is it trippy shot or trippy flair that's bugged with poms?
proper furnace
i feel like that's very very good at this game lol
I only did 50 on modded cuz i dont have the patience for resets
soft kiln
are people routinely streaking heat 50 here?
twin cloak
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858109467787001856/903859849455091722/u...
Brooo wtf is this
twin cloak
Olympian favor lookin ass
strange lark
i feel like that's very very good at this game lol
I'm not that good
soft kiln
it seems like most people have to reset for good rng several times for the higher heats
strange lark
Kinda suck ngl
proper furnace
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858109467787001856/903859849455091722/u...
Lmao what is this
strange lark
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858109467787001856/903859849455091722/u...
0% pstatus gang
Of moment
tight basin
lmfao i said it was atrocious
proper furnace
it seems like most people have to reset for good rng several times for the highe...
High heat issue basically
tight basin
i forgot how bad my mirror was too
twin cloak
Can't get over the olympian favor
proper furnace
Less options buff enemies, timer actually scary
twin cloak
A lot of times benefits package 2 makes impossible rooms
And you just have to cope with it
valid dagger
what
proper furnace
Ap also makes chaos scary
tight basin
i'm 30 seconds over time using DD, so it's definitely possible to do it but i'm also using beo
proper furnace
But you cant resist a free room/possible good buff
strange lark
Skill issue
proper furnace
Come back to chill heat
Enjoy your chaos
Or cry when all 3 curses are +enemies
tight basin
lmao
proper furnace
Cheating
strange lark
Time to die to em4
valid dagger
moyai
proper furnace
:Boulyai:
lavish trail
so for a 32 heat bow build
rama aphrodite attack, triple shot, smair zeus call?
is that a good shout?
or is triple shot too risky at fo2?
strange lark
thats good
hammers usually go twin > triple > perfect > point blank but you just take whatever you get
lavish trail
chiron is definitely gonna drop off unless youre pomming the hell out of your special
wraith vine
Any other beginner build?
lavish trail
for any weapon that does repeated very little damage very fast, you want to put flat damage on your special instead of a boon that increases your damage by a percentage
wraith vine
Hades is a boss I'm not able to get passed due to low damage and getting hit
strange lark
artemis special is still good on chiron
lavish trail
the best chiron build imo is aphrodite on attack, dionysus on special and then privileged status from your mirrir
mirror*
strange lark
unless it is low level
wraith vine
How would I increase flat damage?
lavish trail
their duo boon allows your hangover to stack more times
wraith vine
I tried Artemis not getting the crits
lavish trail
to increase damage from an attack, use poms of power on it
strange lark
what level is your chiron
wraith vine
Level 2
lavish trail
oh yeah you'll want to keep upgrading it
wraith vine
Titan blood is hard to come by
strange lark
after you win itll be easier to get titan blood
wraith vine
And I sold one early game by mistake
I'll try the Dionysus build
Would you and run of you don't get boons you'd like?
lavish trail
it should be pretty easy to get the right boons for this builkd
do you have keepsakes?
put on the dionysus keepsake in tartarus, then the aphrodite keepsake in asphodel
lean geyser
Take chaos gates for extra % damage if youre doing dio. Take priviledged status.
wraith vine
I'll have to get the Dionysus keepsake I have the Aphrodite one
lavish trail
using shared suffering on Lernie feels SO good man
dash around, special into all the heads and then just focus one or two
random relic
Anything is possible, it's like mid 6 mins
thought it was low 6 atm
strange lark
unmodded is mid 6
random relic
oh yeah unmodded
dapper surge
Is hangover good at all?
strange lark
its good
lavish trail
it's great if you pom it
especially good with privileged status and aphrodite combos
dapper surge
Every time I'm forced to get something from dionysus it feels like a burden but I guess I've never given it a fair chance
strange lark
dio has good boons
dapper surge
I like his boons that don't take important slots like attack and special
lavish trail
yeah his health boosts are really good
twin cloak
Premium vintage 👍
dapper surge
Strong drink is great because I suck
lavish trail
i have literally never gotten this many zeus boons without getting even the offer of zeus's aid wtf
I've gotten 4 and rolled an extra once trying each time to get it
and not even once have I gotten offered
feels bad
I have other core boons filled too
proper furnace
Do you have jolted?
lavish trail
yes
proper furnace
Nice rng then lol
tight basin
Go for splitting bolt lol
strange lark
special only rama time
tight basin
Oh bruh lmfao
lean geyser
That haelion guy did it. It must be good
lavish trail
yeah I purged splitting bolt so I could get back a death defiance going into styx
it was doing nothing lol
strange lark
why
lavish trail
because it was doing almost no damage at all
strange lark
bruh
lavish trail
the only core boon that I had zeus on was rama special, i literally wasn't noticing splitting bolt doing ANY damage
random relic
bruh moment indeed
lavish trail
I'm guessing from your reactions that I was incorrect about that
twin cloak
Bruh
lavish trail
And my observation was innaccurate
strange lark
yes
random relic
you hit like every enemy in the room with your special
twin cloak
Special only rama is unaruably ☹️
strange lark
you still use your special in normal rooms
lavish trail
I'm worried about dad fight
strange lark
you still use your special in dad fight
lavish trail
and it's rather have 2 more death defiances with that 450 I got for it
plain river
Do you atleast have attack boons and hammers or
lavish trail
yeah I have twin shot aph level 7
plain river
Fun
lavish trail
NOOOOOOOOOOO
I was doing so well
guaranteed win
and TD3 got me
I'm still so slow
I die to TD3 like half the time
plain river
If you died to td3 it wasn’t worthy
plain river
Just be fast
lavish trail
i feel like it would be more worthwhile for someone to tell me where the time save is supposed to be
plain river
Easy
strange lark
are you sure its all skill and no bad luck in rooms and stuff like that
proper furnace
Free rooms helps a lot
And you can recognize awful rooms a lot of time
Naked chariots/swordmen/witches
most of aspho
tight basin
what time loss?
I mean bad rooms, bad BP rng, 5 sack, no free rooms, etc
lavish trail
nah this one was a 3 sack
tight basin
Also another thing could be that you're too careful trying to preserve hp with DDs, which contributes to overall time per room
proper furnace
Thats still a somewhat big time lossvs 2 sack
strange lark
do you remember what time you left ely
lavish trail
i mean most average runs unless I get the build I want 21-22 minutes is about standard wiht me
lavish trail
because a lot of the times I get the build I want and I will get 16-18
lavish trail
I really can never tell what's losing me time
for instance I just finished tartarus with 30 seconds left when usually I have like 1:30-2:30
strange lark
usually due to bad rooms/ no free rooms
tight basin
Being too careful with hp so you don't lose a DD can be a time loss that adds up a lot
Leaving tart late like that usually isn't the end of the world tho because aspho is pretty short
lavish trail
I reset because I accidentally put on the wrong keepsake anyway lol
tight basin
Based
iron barn
does twin shot make pos attack knock back further
im pushing enemies like halfway across rooms lmao
robust salmon
can somebody recommend builds to beat hades using aspect of nemisis/chiron
im struggling
lone jetty
Nemesis: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-nemesis-blade
Chiron: https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-chiron-bow
soft kiln
so my last two losses were both gy attempts. i'm thinking arty isn't a great start
tight basin
isn't it just aphro special spam
random relic
arty special is decent
aphro is better if you dont get chaos scaling
but its also rarity dependent and all of your rolls go to chaos on gy anyway lmao
soft kiln
i got charged skewer last time. is the chargup time a bit weird? it's like really early into the charge is the sweet spot?
random relic
or hermes too ig
twin cloak
I prefer aphro
random relic
i got charged skewer last time. is the chargup time a bit weird? it's like real...
iirc you want to charge ir up all the way
tight basin
charged skewer is a bit weird but it's still the best hammer for gy because of how much damage it does
random relic
for highest base damage
random relic
true
twin cloak
Even 10% is a lot with that hp smh
tight basin
treat charged skewer like bow basically imo
random relic
but rarity dependance and not scaling as well with chaos or hermes is a bit sad
twin cloak
Tbh gy is just hestia but you lose half your health
random relic
better aoe
random relic
gy still has better aoe lol
twin cloak
gy still has better aoe lol
Well yeah
Abd it's also way easier
It's just special go click click
random relic
true
soft kiln
could someone mod gy to make a gun -socking- sound?
because i can't say hte actual word
that's the best part of hestia
tight basin
lmao it's probably very doable
errant narwhal
sorry aziraphale, bot is a bit jumpy but its for the best
tight basin
why?
errant narwhal
hestia bestia (its just fun to say even if i prefer other aspects)
random relic
idk i just dont find it fun
tight basin
fair, i dont find it very fun either but the sound is very nice
soft kiln
sorry aziraphale, bot is a bit jumpy but its for the best
does it use regex? isn't there a way to have it block exactly the four letter word but not block the word+ing?
random relic
i think its for the same reason as zag shield and arthur but i cant place the reason why
tight basin
i also just dont find rail fun to play unless it's triple bomb luci lmao
soft kiln
it's been a while since i used regex but i'm pretty sure you can do that
twin cloak
Tbh there are only like 2 aspects that i actually dislike
3*
Zagfists zagspear zagsword
random relic
i think its for the same reason as zag shield and arthur but i cant place the re...
i feel like it has something to do with just not really scaling after tart
errant narwhal
does it use regex? isn't there a way to have it block exactly the four letter wo...
i have no idea, i can ask!
random relic
one reason i really like eris is just that i really like the way it scales
soft kiln
i have no idea, i can ask!
tbh i bet it just uses some package that's imported and just configured for the channel. so there might not be a good way to fix it. also no great need. kinda funny that everyone just tells you to watch your language XD
random relic
Hunter dash, chaos, etc
yeah but you generally get hunter dash in tart or youre on ap2 and dont see it at all
twin cloak
YOU'RE on ap2 and don't see it at all
soft kiln
can you elaborate about eris scaling
random relic
:boulyai:
random relic
can you elaborate about eris scaling
eris scales really well with a lot of everythings
soft kiln
eris conceptually takes advantage of everything but big base damage right?j
random relic
like zeus attack, tidal dash, arty special, jolted, splitting bolt, breaking wave, shoals, some other poseidon boons probably, marked, hammers like rocket/cluster, pressure points, etc
twin cloak
YOU'RE on ap2 and don't see it at all
I simply complete my build in c5 tartarus and never look back
random relic
the list goes on and on and on
plain river
eris takes advantage of everything that isn't already high % damage
like
flat damage good
arte good
I right?
twin cloak
Aphro is also good
random relic
compare that to something like hestia where its like
-aphro attack
-hunter/tidal dash
-hammers
soft kiln
eris aphro attack?
twin cloak
aphro special
soft kiln
ah
plain river
like artemis or flat damage is gaining more from eris than aphrodite will gain from eris
soft kiln
zeus is throwing a fit and a lightnign botl somewhere
soft kiln
poseidon attack
plain river
super soaker eri
twin cloak
Super SoakEris op!
random relic
anyways atm im a big beo fan because i like the big numbers and aoe and no second hammer reliance
soft kiln
"SoakEris" is funny af
random relic
and cshot beo is just really fun
soft kiln
Talos Blizzard Shot?
random relic
worstlos
twin cloak
Yeah talos is arguably the best aspect for the flood shot duos
random relic
^^
twin cloak
Cause you can either pull enemies into the curse of drowning or pull them into the blizzard shards
random relic
gilga also likes cod i think
twin cloak
I say arguably because there's solid reason for achilles to just be better
Poor fists
random relic
idk about other fists
random relic
I say arguably because there's solid reason for achilles to just be better
lmao so true
plain river
gilgamesh likes call of duty
plain river
you don't play the best fists aspect?
twin cloak
I've been grinding ME gilga 50 for days
One of these attempts i'll getit
That's a lie i did 2 attempts today
random relic
ive been trying fresh file but my luck with seeing ares attack athena special in tart has run out
like game thats all i want
soft kiln
so fresh file is just trying to see how many runs it takes to win the first time?
random relic
i mean atm im just trying to get a fresh file clear lmao
twin cloak
Aren't there ff strats that involve dying and using a different weapon
random relic
but yeah its trying to win on very first run
random relic
Aren't there ff strats that involve dying and using a different weapon
yeah but those suck
sword is actually i think the best weapon for ff
neat mauve
so fresh file is just trying to see how many runs it takes to win the first time...
your first run in a file has to be a win. no mirror no hammers no weapon choice and heavily reduced god pool
random relic
if you could choose one to start with youd do sword lmao
random relic
your first run in a file has to be a win. no mirror no hammers no weapon choice ...
^^
only gods you see are ares athena dio and arty
so you just try to get an ME build lmao
cant even see hermes
dreamy prism
well that's no problem since hermes sucks
random relic
fresh file dad fights are super impressive
i recommend watching at least one of them
anyways time to sleep
gn people
twin cloak
For the weak smh
neat mauve
do you think fresh file would be possible without merciful end being an option
valid dagger
And harder
still flint
whats the general strategy for rama ??
random relic
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
from mike
soft kiln
my last demeter run was ME and i just did a zeus run
what should this fists run be
dio attack/arty special/aphro dash?
dreamy prism
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
r!pasta rama
balmy sorrel
does rush delivery give bonus % based of like any speed for ex , aspect of zag sword
tight basin
yes
balmy sorrel
ll tht alone give for an example 75% dmg bonus? then if i have another boon from hermes like movement speed increase do i again get 75% dmg bonus?
lucid oar
Even better, all movement speed is multiplicative
balmy sorrel
wdym by tht?
tight basin
rush delivery is commonly used with hyper sprint, since that gives a 100% speed boost briefly. you can stack ichors on top of them from wells, which boost movement speed
lucid oar
So hyper sprint and zag sword bonus is 130% bonus move speed
If it was additive it would be 115%
plain river
ll tht alone give for an example 75% dmg bonus? then if i have another boon from...
Its 75% of your bonus movespeed
lucid oar
Instead of 100% + 15%, its 2x1.15 which is 2.3, or 130% bonus speed
plain river
Its 75% of your bonus movespeed
I think you were thinking about it a different way
balmy sorrel
ya
plain river
So purple greater haste giving +40% movespeed and blue rush delivery bejng 75% percent of it means +30% damage
languid hornet
What cast would you recommend with beowulf?
plain river
pos cast
sour belfry
What cast would you recommend with beowulf?
Poseidon with rupture boon
plain river
poseidon is most consistent and best cast on beo
plain river
I'm really confused why they put bouldy on my message
languid hornet
Alright, thanks for the tip
sour belfry
I'm really confused why they put bouldy on my message
cuz I like the emoji
sry for the confusion
chilly loom
swhats a good hammer for a
fat finger lol
what i meant was "Whats a good hammer for a hangover build with lucifer?"
I know it probably isnt good at all
I just want to try it
iron rover
this is my current build
deadly strike divine flourish lvl2 trippy shot athena dash support fire lvl2 deadly reversal greatest reflex hutners mark and pressure points
should i pick artemis call clean kill or fully loaded
lucid oar
Fully loaded
proper furnace
Deadly strike
lucid oar
Also for future runs, deadly strike is really bad on eris rail
You want lighting strike
twin cloak
Drunken stirkw 😁🤘
iron rover
yeah thats what i normally do i didnt realise i had artemis keepsake
dapper surge
You want lighting strike
How much damage did the divine dash in your pfp do?
lucid oar
101
soft kiln
what's a good zeus shield build that isn't zeus
maybe i'll just do beo and be bored lol
soft kiln
ah
strange lark
maybe play bad zag shield with cshot
lucid oar
Or Demeter special and arctic blast
icy gale
I've read a few places in different guides to use hades aid for the damage boost
but when I look at the aid in game, there's no mention of a boost
plain river
Oh really? Because the damage boost scales with keepsake rank
It tells you +50%/+75%/+100%
icy gale
this is what the wiki says - which seems to be what I remember
hmmm can't paste image
Your Call becomes Hades' Aid, which briefly makes you Invisible; your God Gauge starts 10/20/30% full.
oh the detailed notes: While Invisible, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals bonus damage for 2 seconds (or until he strikes).
At Max Gauge, Zagreus turns Unseen instead of Invisible.
While Unseen, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals (50-100% depending on rarity) bonus damage for 5 seconds, the bonus not being lost when Zagreus strikes.
strange lark
game is a little confusing about it
plain river
How good is splitting bolt?
twin cloak
Huge catch:
tight basin
fully loaded:
plain river
If you have the athena legendary and acorn which one takes the hit first?
tight basin
if it's acorn that'd be sad
plain river
Yeah I just noticed because a beamstone hit me in styx and there was a lot of lightning
dreamy prism
the lack of cooldowns is why I think zeus has arguably the best dps revenge
ares outdamages it but zeus can massacre stuff like crystals
plain river
I don’t think ares outdamages it if you’re going zeus and more zeus
tight basin
imagine trying to reset your sd on a beamstone and it just blows up lmao
proper furnace
it can happen vs rats with any revenge lmao
or just traps as you leave at 5 hp then next room is sack
soft kiln
gy run. i have crystal clarity, mirage shot, and heart rend with arty attack/aphro special
will epic arty call add more damage than rare pressure points?
i don't have a call yet and i only have hades left
just trying to figure out if pressure points with lasers will do more damage than probably getting one greater call off
epic hunter's mark is my third choice. i wonder if that'll do more just against hades
if he gets marked and 4 lasers are on him
proper furnace
gy doesnt charge call fast (unless you get hit by a massive attack) can use it for iframes ig
soft kiln
doesn't meme beam charge really fast
soft kiln
crystal clarity, mirage shot and you blocked it
proper furnace
i would've said mark but you dont have pp so rip
soft kiln
lol
soft kiln
k i'll go with call then thanks
plain river
Why do you have meme beam crystal clarity and mirage shot on gy
proper furnace
why not?
plain river
Idk
Meme beam just sounds like nerfing your cast and mirage shot seems like an unnecessary duo
All together it works out but like
soft kiln
i mean i only have so much control over what i pick up
proper furnace
beam with the duo is aight but i've would skipped bc boiling blood
or sold if forced
plain river
Agreed
soft kiln
i picked up beam because i already had heart rend and wanted the chance to find clarity
it's not like i was using my cast
proper furnace
rip free 50% dmg buff
also surprised you didnt get offered the other meme beam duo
soft kiln
do you guys just use all your rerolls on selling stuff or something
because i can't just sell everything
proper furnace
i sell either a lot of useless stuff or take non cores
but i only roll on pool of purging for uc stuff
plain river
I used to use my rerolls to roll away cores but now I’m back to mostly normal gameplay
soft kiln
i'm just saying i never had the opportunity to sell beam
plain river
so I use my rerolls to roll away trash I don’t want or to secure rd
proper furnace
i'm just saying i never had the opportunity to sell beam
it do be like that sometimes
ofc if you could sell it good but if it doesnt happens then so be it
soft kiln
i probably wouldn't have sold it anyway though. i like beam. what's wrong with it lol
soft kiln
so I use my rerolls to roll away trash I don’t want or to secure rd
i usually use rerolls to find duos or get rid of trash
plain river
tracking too slow without duo
and also the tracking even with duo
soft kiln
i have glacial glare
proper furnace
also personal hate but why doesnt glaciar glare open artic blast
plain river
Glacial glare makes it 10x better
proper furnace
plain river
idk
If I had meme beams mirage shot and crystal clarity I think I would fish for glacial glare and the boons that open arctic blast
proper furnace
i sure love having to take another dem core just to open artic blast
or snow burst but shhhhhh
soft kiln
i had epic frost strike in tart but i wanted heart rend after i found massive spin
proper furnace
oh no wonder i never find artic blast
see
why is dem like this
rarity hungry goddess
soft kiln
it really is weird but arctic blast is reasonable on like fist/gun/bow so maybe that's why
ok with gy spin but i wasn't going to rely on that
proper furnace
from personal experience isnt reasonable on rail
soft kiln
Commit the jump to 32 heat rn
i'll get there why is everyone so impatient
plain river
I don’t think it’s ok with bow
proper furnace
i hated it so much
plain river
i'll get there why is everyone so impatient
Idk matty and I did the jump
you should too
strange lark
Arctic blast frost flourish chiron is decent
soft kiln
or arctic blast rama special?
strange lark
That too
soft kiln
it's a decent number of hits
strange lark
Can be decent
proper furnace
on rama il rather keep the chill but yeah it works
proper furnace
soft kiln
you should too
lol i'm trying to prolong my fixation on this game. i'll just get bored faster if i immediately skip to the point where every run is painfully hard
proper furnace
clearly you jump from 32 win to 32 all aspects
soft kiln
i'm sure i can win a 32 but i'll probably move past that until it becomes painfully hard
strange lark
then 40 all aspects
proper furnace
also yeah with practice 32 heat goes by ez
strange lark
then 50 all aspects
tight basin
clearly you jump from 32 win to 32 all aspects
lowkey what i want to do rn but pain
strange lark
i didnt do 32 all aspects because that meant i had to play gilgamesh
proper furnace
how many runs you have on gilga :boulyai:
tight basin
i'm prob gonna do 32 on most aspects
soft kiln
i like having a goal and if i jump i'm just rushing to the goal and then eventually i'm just arriving at less feasible goals faster you know?
plain river
i didnt do 32 all aspects because that meant i had to play gilgamesh
Does Gilgamesh fall off hard at latter heats or somethjng?
tight basin
and skip over the crap ones
proper furnace
Does Gilgamesh fall off hard at latter heats or somethjng?
gilga bad
soft kiln
gilga decidedly not fun
proper furnace
i was expecting a plain 0 lmao
strange lark
nah i had fun with some dash only builds
plain river
Gilga fun
strange lark
and like two (2) ME builds
proper furnace
nah i had fun with some dash only builds
just do that but for 32 then
proper furnace
divine dash only 32 heat
strange lark
40 minute run
proper furnace
was it only 40?
strange lark
idk
soft kiln
why would it be 40
proper furnace
thought it was longer the one someone posted ages ago
strange lark
ill do it with cp2 js3 td0
strange lark
was it only 40?
i think it was around 55 but im being generous
soft kiln
oh i missed the divine dash
strange lark
maybe you can get like all the skips
plain river
ok all dash builds are fun
Can confirm because of the amount of dash builds I’ve played recently
Dash build fun
strange lark
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/9505427529768...
0 heat smh
proper furnace
go complain to pancake
strange lark
whats the highest heat for dash only runs
plain river
idk what that thing does for high heat lol
It cries
proper furnace
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/sx2ygx/i_heard_yall_like_divine_d...
@plain riverpeak dash only
plain river
Zag bow dash only 70:00 minutes wth
soft kiln
i'm gonna try rama arctic blast see how that goes
plain river
Why do they have pstatus on hahahahahaha
soft kiln
if doom is one of the 2 debuffs that trigger pstatus
will the doom damage get the benefit
proper furnace
yes
soft kiln
ares attack is providing a debuff for pstatus
proper furnace
rip aphro
soft kiln
plus i got forced ares
proper furnace
ah
soft kiln
like i'm in tart with zeus/demeter got forced ares
soft kiln
my other option is like...heroic ares special (of course i get it on a run like this) and curse of vengeance
soft kiln
Thunder dash gonna be majority of dps
well i always have the dps meter on so we'll see if i can ever find thunder dash
so do i take purple ares attack and hope to sell it at the end of tart and just go aphro then?
i guess with shared suffering that's probably a more reasonable plan
forgot rama has an ability for a second
proper furnace
if you can be sure you can sell it then is an option
otherwise il just take vengeance
tender latch
What build does gilg even run
I might as well do a random 0 heat run just to get the prophecy over with
soft kiln
if you can be sure you can sell it then is an option
oh you know i forgot i got forced pp
so aphro would be a 5th god
proper furnace
so aphro would be a 5th god
force arty ig for attack
also gud
ah wait no ps then
unless jolted for the dash
plain river
On the slow fists
Its not slow
soft kiln
XD i didn't expect to get forced 3 gods
strange lark
Its not slow
kinda is tho
tender latch
Oh dang
proper furnace
Its not slow
i mean it is but dashes almost save it
tender latch
I didn't even realize you had more dashes
strange lark
ME and me
plain river
Is enemy damage to you multiplivative?
like if you have them maimed and you have hard labour on
strange lark
no
plain river
Phew
soft kiln
so that arctic blast run isn't really going as planned and i have no tfound it
i did end up with icy wine so that's neat
so i'm right before the champs
should i take heroic thunder flourish
and just give up on arctic blast
heroic thunder flourish is 60 bolt damage base
tender latch
Ok sea storm gilgamesh might be super funny
Still hate the fists but it's still very humorous
plain river
Hangover dash gilgamesh 
tender latch
Time to try that out
plain river
Don’t
proper furnace
nasty dash gaming
plain river
if you really want to make sure to have aphrodite something or other and doom something or other as well
soft kiln
hangover dash somehow worse on gilgamesh
plain river
yeah because you have more dashes then you need
Each hangover dash proks hangover 2 or 3 times iirc
random relic
Is enemy damage to you multiplivative?
yes
anybody who has gotten hit by a slugger enemy on hl5 will know this
they do 4x the damage instead of 3x
strange lark
well thats only slugger
tender latch
What're good builds for guan yu? Is it just HR/ME or something
strange lark
aphro/arty special charged skewer
random relic
well thats only slugger
are you sure?
i thought chaos curse was also multiplicative
strange lark
i dont think it is
random relic
hm
strange lark
idk man ive never gotten hit
tender latch
I was GONNA do a guan yu run right after my first gilg one
Except
I rolled epic dash on first boon in tart
...Guess it's time for sea storm gilg again
tight basin
Based
plain river
Is scillating feast good enough to go out of your way for it on trippy flare
proper furnace
fun with other zeus t2's but wouldnt go out of my way
unless i have mirage shot already
might as well lol
tight basin
@daring pecan continuing here so we dont spam #h1-victory-boasting
both SD and DD are both really good in their own ways. in low heat, DD is generally better because normal rooms aren't hard to clear, the only real "struggle" are just bosses, mainly em2 lernie, champs, and hades. they give a larger hp pool than SD and if needed you can burn through more than one
SD shines more on higher heat because you can take lasting consequences 4 (denies all healing from every source) and reset your SD after each room for healing. this is generally better because you're taking off some heat from the more dangerous pacts
DD still works at high heat like 32, but as soon as you need to take LC4, you need SD
also fated persuasion > fated authority because rerolling boons is better than rerolling doors
regarding your mirror
and gods' pride is generally better than gods' legacy unless the duo boon you want is extremely important to your build, such as mirage shot on beowulf
plain river
I mean they wanted heartrend there
tight basin
idk what other build needs legacy, maybe ME i guess but ares rarity kinda important
tight basin
I mean they wanted heartrend there
i mean nearly every build in the game revolves around a certain duo
heart rend isn't a make a break for chiron
plain river
also since that was aspect of chiron you would want to build harder into special right because otherwise you’re just playing discount zagreus
tight basin
yeah
oh the special and atk boon gods were backwards lol
heart rend wouldn't do much there unless there was pressure points
still mediocre with PP tho
plain river
so grab concentrated and relentless volley if you see them(in that order of priority), you’d want artemis flourish aphrodite attack, and chaos boons on your flourish
plain river
heart rend wouldn't do much there unless there was pressure points
They only had attack hammers they were pretty much playing discount zag bow
tight basin
i mean sometimes rng do be like that
plain river
So being a little more focus on attack sort of makes sense there
tight basin
you can pick your special at the start of the run tho
focusing on the atk for chiron isn't really a great idea
plain river
👍
tight basin
if rng do be like that sure i guess but you still want to build on the special as much as possible
random relic
focusing on the atk for chiron isn't really a great idea
well i mean
plain river
we don’t even know if they’re reading any of this lol
tight basin
the atk on chiron does matter it's just the bulk of the damage is gonna be from the special ideally
plain river
well i mean <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
At higher heat just use zag bow instead of building chiron like zag bow
tight basin
we don’t even know if they’re reading any of this lol
lmao true
random relic
At higher heat just use zag bow instead of building chiron like zag bow
exactly my point
tight basin
homie wasn't doing high heat
random relic
true but i still prefer zag bow lmao
plain river
I know I was just pre-empting what they were going to say
Yeah I’ve been zag bow pilled it’s the best bow
tight basin
i've yet to use zag bow lmao
random relic
i've yet to use zag bow lmao
wtf
its so good
just twin and then there are 3 good second hammers
tight basin
i should give it a run eventually
plain river
Right after I cleared zag sword 32 heat I immediately went and did shackle zag bow 32 heat and popped off
tight basin
i'll do my next 32 on zag bow
random relic
twin flurry is just high heat cheese lmao
tight basin
i'm assuming aphro atk or do i stack the crit chance and pray to chaos
random relic
i'm assuming aphro atk or do i stack the crit chance and pray to chaos
i prefer aphro attack
it kills normal enemies more consistently
tight basin
aight
random relic
but arty attack isnt rarity dependent and has better hermes/chaos/jerky scaling
plain river
Stacking crit allows higher scaling aphro attack allows more consistent damage
tight basin
maybe i'll like flurry shot better on zag than hera lmao
random relic
twin flurry zag bow is amazing
plain river
Flurry, especially twin flurry on zag is nice
strange lark
Chiron is better zag bow tbh
plain river
I mean you could use it like a melee aspect and take triple shot zag bow 
daring pecan
<@176189844064698368> continuing here so we dont spam <#725021639506526249>
bot...
I shall look into that and change accordingly. Thanks for the tips! 
tight basin
I mean you could use it like a melee aspect and take triple shot zag bow <:shade...
i despise triple shot
to be fair i've only used it on rama so fo2 is gonna shaft that by a lot
but i don't like the idea of getting that close to anything
plain river
Yeah not on bow
I’ve used it and it’s ok during boss fights but I hate it for normal rooms
tight basin
it's gonna be horrid on em3
plain river
I really really want a flurry slash piercing wave swift strike run on zag sword so bad
But it’s so rng dependent
tight basin
just get the boons
plain river
Does sword still have zap dash issue with flurry slash?
I bet nobody knows because no one takes flurry slash
plain river
It’s wierd
tight basin
it'd be funny if flurry slash somehow messed with the internal cooldowns of zap dash
plain river
“If you buffer a second dash strike, no matter which way you input it, the sword will point the same direction as the first dash strike”
Stolen from hades bug list
tight basin
oh weird
plain river
Only applies to non-arthur swords
tight basin
just dont get zap dash then i guess
plain river
I’ve experienced it but I don’t think flurry slash would get bugged but like
hmm
Piercing wave is still affected by global additive right
I know it isn’t affected by attack boons and the like but
I think global additive works on it
tight basin
do i purge hunter's dash or zeus' aid for 32 heat chiron bow
chiron charges the aid super fast but the extra dash strike damage is nice
both are epic btw
random relic
how many hermes?
tight basin
1
random relic
is it hyper sprint or epic swift flourish?
tight basin
oh i have +120% dash strike from chaos too
tight basin
is it hyper sprint or epic swift flourish?
epic hyper
random relic
purge call
tight basin
aight
random relic
dont want that interfering with hermes odds
tight basin
i was hoping for smair maybe but oh well
also 5 god pool lmao
purged ares away earlier tho
should i save a reroll for styx or should i use the last one on the well before styx
i dont have any duos at all yet
random relic
save rerolls for hermes jesus christ
tight basin
oh yeah hermes lmao
iron rover
what should i pom out of frost flourish lvl4 hydraulic might lvl 1 and static discharge lvl 1
im doing zeus eris rail
with cluster bomb
but i dont have poseidon dash if that matter
first chamber of elysium
lucid oar
Jolted
iron rover
what should you generally prioritize pomming with this build
iron rover
ah ok
lucid oar
Apart from that, not much
iron rover
cant believe i still havnt got tidal dash yet seems a little doomed rn
lusty quail
can anyone recommend me a aspect of demeter build?
lucid oar
Ares attack, Athena special and dash, merciful end (ares Athena duo boon)
lusty quail
Ares attack, Athena special and dash, merciful end (ares Athena duo boon)
rest of the gods?
iron rover
if im playing hera bow do i always take heart rend as i already have mirage shot
or are exit wounds better
lucid oar
exit wounds
lucid oar
its shorter on hera
iron rover
and if they do its often cuz the enemy dies
ohh
so its prob good chip against bosses
lucid oar
Yep
lucid oar
Probably
soft kiln
so hazard bomb is insane and i have dealy flourish to go with it
but i have a 72% chaos attack boon too and could take spread fire
thoughts?
wait hazard bomb eris is terrible
ok so it's targeting system vs spread fire
soft kiln
no i don't have hazard bomb
dreamy prism
sadly chaos is still irrelevant here, take targeting
it'll buff your zeus lightning
soft kiln
spread fire increases the base damage by a lot. doesn't the chaos boon care about that?
dreamy prism
spread fire murders your dps without zag's extra ammo
dreamy prism
6 ammo is hilariously bad yeah
dreamy prism
not sure if they're compatible tbh
soft kiln
whichever one gives ammo is what i'm talking about
plain river
wait is that the one that gives +6 ammo?
Flurry fire is incompatable with spread fire
Can tell you that with 100% certainty off the top off my head
plain river
Yeah
soft kiln
ah
dreamy prism
except for clockets
soft kiln
Why is cshot considered so good on nonbeo
proper furnace
80 base dmg good
plain river
It deals 80 base regardless of level of charge and I think it charges faster then reguler shield rush but I might be wrong
soft kiln
Do you just get Arty attack and spam charged shots?
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, but Deadly Strike works.
proper furnace
Aphro attack my beloved
cunning urchin
Any of the % Attacks except for Tempest Strike will do work at high rarity.
Shackle is also a strong option.
strange lark
dio is good bcs fast hangover stacks
plain river
Shackle is also a strong option.
💪
plain river
Heartbreak Strike, but Deadly Strike works.
I think deadly strike does best on beo because it opens mirage shot and loading cast already gives rush +100% damage
proper furnace
The convo was about non beo shields