h1-builds-and-combat

[random relic]

i dont have any companions except battie upgraded

[twin cloak]

I upgraded them all because i wanted to

But i literally have never used them

[random relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007010162709647390/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

"just get the duo in c5 on ap2"

[strange lark]

bro stop cheating

[iron barn]

bro 💀

[proper furnace]

Bad aspect luck

[iron barn]

cheat engine fr

[random relic]

its just that easy tbh

ap2 is literally just free heat

[dreamy prism]

all that luck and poseidon still sucks

[random relic]

yeah

[twin cloak]

Poseidon L

[twin cloak]

Seeded

[random relic]

damn it

no exit wounds again

died to timer in tart

lmao

it doesnt matter how lucky i get this aspect still sucks

[proper furnace]

Turned off the chest engine

[twin cloak]

Lmao

It's always so weird to me when i nearly time out in tart and then aspho just takes like 2 minutes

[random relic]

ok i give up on pos sword 50

this aspect is awful

[dense basin]

How so? It's solid

[dreamy prism]

it sucks

[twin cloak]

r!diagnosis @random relic

[twin cloak]

ehh it's basically just aspectless sword

it's really lacking as a castspect

[dense basin]

For me it's still better than most spear aspects anyway

But in case of swords I'm Nemesis and Arthur enjoyer 🙂

[twin cloak]

spear sucks lol

but achilles and gyu wipes the floor against pos

[dense basin]

Gyu seems too risky, I agree with Achilles aspect

[proper furnace]

Is honestly really safe lol

Lot of range to react

[dense basin]

So you play it like a bow rather? Spamming special attack and spinning one?

[random relic]

what does this one do

[random relic]

you only use the spin attack in between waves on gy

otherwise its pretty much just charged skewer special spam

[dense basin]

Well, I'm not interested, I'm not so good with spear 😄

[twin cloak]

uhhh

[plain river]

If you play it right it’s just zag spear but you don’t need to find exploding launcher

[plain river]

It’s like playing zag sword without the extra rush delivery damage

[random relic]

ah yes, rush delivery on ap2

[plain river]

Duh

[random relic]

pos sword is better than zag sword for high heat lmao

[plain river]

Wdym, the extra movement speed is better than playing aspectless

[twin cloak]

both are aspectless

[random relic]

pos sword has some cast play

although it also has the annoyance of knocking casts out of enemies

[plain river]

Abyssal blood go bye bye

[twin cloak]

just dont use ur special idit!!

[random relic]

hmm

[twin cloak]

i can see why you would want to dislodge but ugh

[plain river]

Just get exit wounds with ap2 (exit wounds is definitely the best boon on pos sword)

definitely

[twin cloak]

it prereqs for fully loaded!!!

[random relic]

omg true

[plain river]

Omg true

Fully loaded ap2

[dense basin]

Nemesis easier to build

Just get some good % based attack and you already can do dmg

[plain river]

Just get artemis attack and aphrodite special and heartrend and rush delivery and dedge with ap2

Ez

[stray maple]

whats a good run start for Hera 🤔 i want to try more runs with the bow but im not sure what to be on the lookout for

[plain river]

Twin shot

Aphrodite cast

Mirage shot perhaps I can’t remember if it’s only glitched on beowulf or not

[random relic]

start aphro cast, get lots of poms for it. you also want to get snow burst from demeter

beyond that, arty attack and pos dash/special can open up the heart rend sweet nectar mirage shot triangle which is pretty good on hera

[twin cloak]

dedge free just use modded

[plain river]

Or is it triple shot and you use hera like the melee aspect it was always meant to be

[random relic]

you also want to get quick reload or hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes, stones or braids from wells, and casts or cast damage from chaos

[twin cloak]

all castspects are melee anyway

smh

[plain river]

True

pos, achilles, beowulf, talos, hera~~, eris~~

all melee aspects

[twin cloak]

eris is merely a hunting blades aspect

[stray maple]

i see i see

thanks everyone ill be on the lookout

[twin cloak]

it's only bugged on flares but like

30% is still a lot

[lucid oar]

Snow burst is higher priority

[plain river]

Yeah mirage is kinda multiplicative damage

[lucid oar]

Mirage shot is really good if you have rd and cast damage

[plain river]

If only curse of drowning + mirage shot worked

[twin cloak]

if only curse of drowning worked

[plain river]

True

[twin cloak]

it feels so... nothing

for how annoying it is to put together

[plain river]

I still haven’t got a few prophecys done because I don’t want to have to pick up meme beams and aphro/dem duo

And something else for 2 other prophecies

[twin cloak]

i got cold embrace when i was fresh and using random keepsakes because i didn't know god keepsakes were cracked

[dreamy prism]

just run a natural aphro dem build and you'll hit cold embrace eventually

like dem chiron is fine

[plain river]

Dem cast as throwaway core on chiron doesn’t sound half bad

Just have to finish my shackle runs first

[dreamy prism]

it's ultimately a downgrade because chiron loves boiling blood

[twin cloak]

eww chiron

[dreamy prism]

but whatever if it's below 40 heat anything works

[plain river]

I’ll go like aphrodite attack dio special dem cast

hope to hit the duo

[plain river]

It’d be like 21 heat

So it’d be fine

[twin cloak]

ugh why does poseidon have so much GARBAGE

i don't CARE about your stupdi sunken treasure

[tight basin]

but shiny diamond chance fun

[plain river]

but funny non-pommable

[dreamy prism]

pos really does have an awful pool

you'd think for the god of water he'd have a less diluted pool

[plain river]

Pos is only good for tidal dash and mirage shot

And tidal flare I guess

[dreamy prism]

nah he has some good stuff too

one of my favorites is hydraulic might

[tight basin]

tempest strike for one

[dreamy prism]

such a strong boon

[twin cloak]

10 seconds is a logn time

[plain river]

Oh wait nevermind super soaker wouldn’t exist without pos

Pos best god

[lucid oar]

Razor shoals

Breaking wave

[twin cloak]

what?

[plain river]

Razor shoals

[twin cloak]

boiling point.

come on.

[plain river]

I wasn’t thinking ok

[lucid oar]

Boiling point is good in speedruns

Especially against dad with sigil

[plain river]

Razor shoals

razor shoals

[lucid oar]

Shazor roals

[twin cloak]

how long is 23 encounters if i buy this touch of styx start of aspho

[lucid oar]

Are you hourglassint at 50

[twin cloak]

where's the problem

[lucid oar]

No Athena

[plain river]

Probably last you till styx I think

[lucid oar]

Oh wait

Nvm

[twin cloak]

..

[lucid oar]

Um

[plain river]

If you take free rooms

[lucid oar]

Just get free rooms

[tight basin]

right before aspho right

if you take hour glass it'll last till dad

[twin cloak]

lmaooooo

[tight basin]

i think @random relic told me that during my 50 run

[plain river]

Maybe if 2 tunnel styx

and good free rooms

[tight basin]

if 2 sack yeah for sure

someone did the math on it and it's guaranteed basically

[twin cloak]

how do people play arthur

[lucid oar]

Styx is 8 chambers

[twin cloak]

i'm so ass at this weapon

[lucid oar]

Aspho is like 3 or 4

[plain river]

Big swing go brrr

[lucid oar]

Ely is 5-9 or smth

[lucid oar]

Just watch a nephi vod

[plain river]

Dedge makes arthur dash strike deal 100 base damage iirc

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1007030612160434287/unknown.png

[dreamy prism]

arthur is still okay at 50 imo

[twin cloak]

dedge run # 823712983 is lame

[dreamy prism]

the only real issue I think is dad

[plain river]

Without dedge it’s still good

[lucid oar]

I’ve never tried Arthur 50

[plain river]

Just do big swing

[lucid oar]

Never tried Arthur 5 either tbh

[dreamy prism]

otherwise arthur has massive RI AP resistant dps so it can beat the clock fairly well

[plain river]

200 base damage swing

[lucid oar]

And DC JS CP resistance

[plain river]

Just take shackle and don’t think about it

[dreamy prism]

hm

[plain river]

Although I’ve heard artemis attack and shadow slash is good on arthur

[dreamy prism]

I prefer aphro or athena

arthur has bad frame data so you're gonna get hit

[plain river]

since then your backstabs are like 600 and on crit like 1800

[dreamy prism]

sadly you can't bank on backstabs

and arty's unreliability wrecks havoc with sticky aspects

[plain river]

True

[lucid oar]

Fartemis

[dreamy prism]

bruh

[plain river]

ME arthur

[lucid oar]

Dio attack Arthur

[twin cloak]

hermes attack arthur

[plain river]

Zeus attack arthur

[twin cloak]

wait does that speed up the animation

[dreamy prism]

yeah

swift strike is a top pick on it for that reason

[plain river]

Hermes attack is actually useful on arthur if no hyper sprint

Can’t you hold arthur attack combo through dash

Or am I remembering wrong

[dreamy prism]

that's right

you can even double dash during combo

it helps a lot

[twin cloak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646523850544119818/1007033866776752308/unknown.png

pics that go hard

[tight basin]

absolutely based

[wary adder]

replenish all uses of death defiance for the next 15 encounters

[random relic]

yep thats right

[tight basin]

lmao no this is a stubborn defiance thing lol

SD normally heals you for 30%, these give you extra % healing

patty gives you +50% healing, the well ones give you +10%

[wary adder]

oh

[tight basin]

extremely useful for high heat runs where the rooms are more likely to kill you than the boss

obv bosses are an issue but normal rooms are pretty terrible to deal with

[wary adder]

the only boss that i think would be a problem is hades

[random relic]

its not necessarily that rooms are more likely to kill you than bosses, its that rooms will whittle down your health really quickly across a few of them on dds so having sd is tremendously helpful

[tight basin]

if you have em4 yeah but tbh if you're doing high heat and don't see patty you're screwed anyways

[lucid oar]

Lernie is tough

[random relic]

and plus that means you an use lc4 which is 4 heat

[wary adder]

really?

[lucid oar]

Yeah

Lots of lava + heightened security

[random relic]

all bosses except furies are a problem

[wary adder]

oh hs

[tight basin]

also small as hell arena and main lernie slams are painful

[random relic]

lernie is the thing i die the most to in high heat

32 damage lmao

fair and balanced game

[wary adder]

ive been doing at least em2 for the past 6 ish runs and i dont find lernie too awful

its basically guaranteed damage but still

[tight basin]

once you get used to it, it isn't too bad but then you crank up the heat and realize how painful it is somehow lmao

[wary adder]

does fo affect bosses too

[tight basin]

yes

[wary adder]

[tight basin]

lmao everything is a bit faster

[wary adder]

thats genuinely scary

[wary adder]

a bit?

[tight basin]

it's not 50% lol

40% faster is a pain yeah

you get used to it after a while tho

you start to think that fo2 is normal and then when you turn it off everything is so much slower

[wary adder]

64 heat with only fo

[tight basin]

@dreamy prism new idea for you

only 63 heat but it'll be funny

[random relic]

lol fo21

[proper furnace]

wringers with fo21 sounds annoying

[random relic]

oh yeah

ew

[wary adder]

im only at 10 heat on my highest weapon rn do you reckon i should start using fo just to get used to it with other lighter restriction first

[tight basin]

honestly yeah, but if you want to learn it i'd just do fo by itself first

because 20% faster is a lot

[proper furnace]

i was gonna say "it is?" but i havent seen fo0 in a lot of time

[tight basin]

but once you get used to it, it becomes a near free 3 heat
kinda invalidates some aspects a little bit, such as rama or arthur i think, but it's doable

[random relic]

fo2 is very gaming

[tight basin]

lmfao same

[random relic]

i dont play without fo2 or em2 anymore

[tight basin]

to be fair, if you're just getting into heat, fo is kinda intimidating

3 heat big number, 20% faster big number

[wary adder]

oh yeah i did em3 for the first time today and audibly laughed out how ridiculous it was

[proper furnace]

em3 first time is always fun

[tight basin]

not me turning off fo2 and em2 to see how luci works and getting hit by the same lout 3 times because i keep mistiming dashes

[wary adder]

theseus pulls up in the chariot with two big ass miniguns

theyre plated in gold

[random relic]

lol

[tight basin]

they obviously had guns in ancient greece

[wary adder]

as shown by exagryph

[tight basin]

exactly

[random relic]

fun fact guns were invented in 3000 BCE

[wary adder]

is em3 actually hard i couldnt really tell since i suck at that fight anyway

[random relic]

its definitely way harder than non em3 but its worth the heat

[proper furnace]

It is, even more on melee aspects

If asterius decides to spin you just cry

[random relic]

a lot of beginners tend to think its easier because they arent great at dodging theseus spear throw

[tight basin]

theseus is easier, bull is much harder

[random relic]

but the area of denial from theseus makes it a lot worse in addition to asterius just being buffed lol

[wary adder]

im still awful at that

[wary adder]

i was too busy watching theseus zoom around on his new toy to realise what the bull that i was actually fighting was doing

[tight basin]

lmao

the jump the bull does has a big landing aoe circle thing, so even if you dodge the inital axe jump you can get hit by the aoe still

[wary adder]

im so glad i got barely any of this game spoiled for me its so fun

[tight basin]

and he also becomes a beyblade

[random relic]

and also has 3 projectiles that come out of it

lol

its absurd

[tight basin]

oh yeah that too

[random relic]

luckily every single asterius attack is deflectable

not dodgable, deflectable

lmao

[wary adder]

asterius actually invested in better technique while theseus went for full glitz and glam

[random relic]

even the melee ones

[tight basin]

divine dash moment

[random relic]

divine dash makes heroes really easy for that exact reason lol

[wary adder]

thats why i didnt find it so bad

i had divine dash

[tight basin]

to be fair, if i had a spear and shield and had the option of either learning better techniques or getting a gold plated chariot with two miniguns and can launch bombs, i'd choose the latter

[wary adder]

theseus actually sounded more upset by his new chariot breaking down than the death of his closest companion

[proper furnace]

Have fun with achilles dialogue about em3 too lol

[wary adder]

hes too busy moping around about how he let patroclus die in that war rn

[plain river]

Dropping antos on heroes fight is so funny

Hearing theseus screaming “achilles why” and patroclus saying “hello stranger”

[wary adder]

theseus called me a cheater after i used meg's summon and then proceeded to use the power of dionysus against me

[plain river]

I wouldn’t know

I only used non-Antos companions for codex completion

[tight basin]

i mean you're also getting the help of other gods with your boons as well

unless you're doing a no god run

and/or shackle only

[plain river]

No god run

I should try it

ap3

Is it possible?

[iron barn]

ap3 dc64

[dreamy prism]

I did try that with beo actually

furies were instant death

[tight basin]

oh right i remember now lmao

looked fun

[random relic]

try with zeus or zag shield

[dreamy prism]

hm

problem is both run cshot

which is less safe

[random relic]

nah

zeus shield you can do explosive return

[tight basin]

what's the issue with not using cshot on zag

[dreamy prism]

what's explosive return

[random relic]

damage issue

[dreamy prism]

huh looks like something that buffs the "special"

[random relic]

[dreamy prism]

I didn't know zeus shield had that

[random relic]

i hate you

[tight basin]

lmfao

[dreamy prism]

slows you down a ton

but then again no TD

[tight basin]

3 hour run let's go

[dreamy prism]

so you could just play pseudo fresh file shield meta

[proper furnace]

prob hard fish for rod and stay blocking lmao

[dreamy prism]

which is bull rush across all the enemies constantly

[proper furnace]

jolted gaming

[dreamy prism]

yo wtf that's an amazing idea

[proper furnace]

turtle strats

[dreamy prism]

somewhat unrelated but can you get rod on RI3

[proper furnace]

yeah

[random relic]

uh

yeah?

[proper furnace]

it defaults to infernal

[dreamy prism]

k

[random relic]

you just cant get it on stygian bc your casts dont go on the ground

[dreamy prism]

and if you go green before enabling RI3 it's still infernal right

[random relic]

yeah

[proper furnace]

yeah

[dreamy prism]

bummer

it should be like persuasion

[proper furnace]

idk why, considering FA,, exactly

[wary adder]

what's rod i assume youre not talking about the fishing type

[proper furnace]

lightning rod

[dreamy prism]

we are

[proper furnace]

arte-zeus

[wary adder]

ah right makes sense

[dreamy prism]

the FO21 meta is fish since you're invincible while fishing

[proper furnace]

you arent inmune to lava 🗿

[dreamy prism]

the lava isn't FO21 smh

[proper furnace]

you never know when you will accidentally try to fish in lava

my first time on 40 heat aspho died 2 chambers in to that lmao

[dreamy prism]

I heard you can only do that if you dash onto lava while trying to fish

unironically I would really prefer playing on a max save without fishing rod

not only for removing huge catch but also so you never accidentally start fishing

[tight basin]

high heat strat: buy rod before you go on a run to guarantee poseidon in your god pool

[proper furnace]

Castpect buffs by removing lure from wells

[dreamy prism]

wait

why is that not a bad idea

you can purge huge catch too

holy crap

[tight basin]

ayo free money

anyone got a max save file with no fishing rod

[dreamy prism]

everything buffs by removing lure too

god removing fishing actually sounds so helpful

wait can you do the same with troves

[proper furnace]

Sleep || xenojail on the speedrun server has done that

Not max but they did a file without rod

[random relic]

actually you arent lmao

you arent immune at all

that fact is the source of many strange bugs

[dreamy prism]

sgg let us sell the goddamn rod

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah, i once fished before a survival started

Got slapped out of it

[dreamy prism]

lmao no way

[random relic]

wait wtf

omg i need to start a new save

[dreamy prism]

me too

[random relic]

thats legitimately speed/heat meta is to not get rod

or unlock troves

because then you cant get trove tracker

[dreamy prism]

my only question is are any contractor upgrades locked by either

[random relic]

hm lemme see

[dreamy prism]

also I wanna do a competition

@random relic earliest 32 heat?

[proper furnace]

At least for leaderboard purposes i think is not allowed

[random relic]

troves, yes, rod, no

[dreamy prism]

since we're both starting fresh files

[random relic]

wait really wtf

[proper furnace]

Cant set up a new file as easy on console

[dreamy prism]

ok so troves needed to unlock blue laurel buffs?

[random relic]

yeah

[dreamy prism]

bummer

also troves can be useful so might not wanna remove

[random relic]

oh sd yeah

[dreamy prism]

and sometimes gold

[random relic]

what

oh

smart

i should look at troves on high heat lmao

[dreamy prism]

remember the legendary lucy clip

[random relic]

no

[dreamy prism]

someone doing like 54 lucy I think

started normally, triple bomb with zeus attack

then they took chaos maimed

[random relic]

oh that was angel

[dreamy prism]

that's right

ending with the legendary c12 trove to afford double forced aphro attack replacement

[random relic]

anyways im off to consume sustenance

[dreamy prism]

@random relic man that reminds me

on one of my 53 attempts I took erebus extension because it was double heart and still left tart at 4min flat

it was amazing

[lavish trail]

I'm preparing to try for 32 heat fists and is there a better way to go about this than ME? Like is low tolerance a good idea for a fists build at that heat?

[strange lark]

ME is probably the easiest

[lavish trail]

I like Merciful End, don't get me wrong, but it gets annoying trying to just go for that every time I want to run high heat fists

Demeter is best fists aspect, right?

It's my fav by far

[strange lark]

yeah dem is the best

second best is probably zap

zeus attack artemis/aphro special poseidon dash

or could go athena dash for safety

[lavish trail]

What am I going for with the Zap?

Like what duo? Heart rend? Smair?

[strange lark]

You don't need a duo

[lavish trail]

with fists i hate poseidon dash tbh

[strange lark]

Just things like jolted hunters mark

Stuff like that

With aphro special you can take a call for smair

[lavish trail]

Low Tolerance build with Chiron bow is goated, correct?

[dreamy prism]

yeah ME is your best bet

[lavish trail]

I love that build

ME it is

[strange lark]

Good

Not goated

[dreamy prism]

it's a nice chiron build yep

[twin cloak]

Just do savestate stuff with lernie until you can do it near damageless

Preferably with poseidon sword because funny

[lavish trail]

What's best bow build? Chiron is honestly the only bow I use at all

[strange lark]

Idk best bow build

[twin cloak]

special only rama

[dreamy prism]

the other three are really good

[strange lark]

There are good builds for all the aspects

Except for chiron

[lavish trail]

If I want to play Hera I'll just do Beowulf with charged shot

[dreamy prism]

based

[stray maple]

i really like dionysus cast on Hera

[twin cloak]

Chiron has a low skill floor but it doesn't scale up very well

[lavish trail]

And I have no idea how to use Rama bow

[twin cloak]

Very bad against js

[twin cloak]

special only rama is unaruably

[dreamy prism]

special only rama is unaruably

vrej

[lavish trail]

Really? I've used Chiron against JR3 effectively because of the piercing

[dreamy prism]

piercing volley does help a lot

[lavish trail]

i dont know what this means

[strange lark]

its copypasta

[dreamy prism]

basically the best way to use rama is the attack, but spamming the special only is really low skill and kinda works

[strange lark]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

[lavish trail]

Alright then

I'm gonna do this demeter run now and try to force ME

[iron barn]

do talos special boons proc with the 10 damage from the pull or just when you hit

[lavish trail]

I don't know what "proc" means

[strange lark]

when you hit

[obsidian oyster]

to "proc" something means to activate it under a certain condition

[twin cloak]

it used to be used mainly for things that happen on chance (programmed random occurrence) but nowadays it's just any sort of activation

[proper furnace]

the only thing the pull does is ruin fiery presence

[iron barn]

so it doesnt proc?

[dreamy prism]

talos doing everything in its power to make your run miserable:

[proper furnace]

i mean idk i havent used talos in ages

[dreamy prism]

I have

it's really not good

[strange lark]

worbsetl5

[proper furnace]

worbsetl5 indeed

[twin cloak]

What does that even mean

[strange lark]

worbsetl5

[dreamy prism]

lmaoooo there's no freaking way you don't know what worbsetl5 means

[twin cloak]

I know what it refers to but why

[dreamy prism]

idk either tbh

[twin cloak]

It looks like a combination of worst and best and what i can only assume is "level 5" for some reason?

[plain river]

What am I looking for if playing shackle beo?

[twin cloak]

Flood flare

Artemis attack

[plain river]

hammerwise

[twin cloak]

Mirage shot

Wouldn't it just be the same as the standard beo hammers

[plain river]

I have tidal dash and artemis in my pool so hopefully I hit their call but idk beo hammers

I’m not picking up attack special or cast

[twin cloak]

Cshot ferocious guard unyielding defense

I guess sudden rush to an extent

[lucid oar]

Snow burst

Rush delivery

Killing freeze

[twin cloak]

Killing freeze dn

[lucid oar]

Basically any flat damage that you can get from your dash/call/other

[lucid oar]

What’s kf

[strange lark]

kdeez fnuts

[lucid oar]

🤣

Godeem

[plain river]

Fingers crossed for artemis aid for mirage shot then I guess

[fresh rover]

is lightning strike good on sword or is sword too slow 🤔

[lucid oar]

It’s fine if you get jolted

Lightning strike is good on anything that can output attacks fairly quickly

[fresh rover]

right i'm just wondering if sword is fast enough or not

[lucid oar]

Yeah it is

[random relic]

its bestlos+worstlos

[soft kiln]

how does dash strike work with fists exactly

is it just the one hook

or is it a few hits after dashing?

[strange lark]

the hook

[soft kiln]

so dash strike damage isn't that good on fists

[strange lark]

yeah it isnt that good

except for breaching cross

that gives 900% dashstrike damage to armor

which is beeeg

[soft kiln]

Ok cool

[fresh rover]

when the buff says you can dash strike twice does that just mean that you press attack twice after a dash both the attacks count as dash strikes?

[tight basin]

What hammer is this? Sounds like double edge

[fresh rover]

yeah

[tight basin]

The dash strike hits twice, so essentially double damage

Not including the bonus dash strike damage from the hammer itself

[plain river]

Just think of it as doubling the base damage of your dash strike and applying debuffs twice

[fresh rover]

oh ok

so what does it mean when ppl say you can hold down dash strikes and chain them?

having a hard time picturing how to do this lol

[plain river]

I have no clue what you’re talking about

[tight basin]

Don't think that's possible, even with gilga if you were to hold down dashes

[proper furnace]

i think thats an arthur thing?

[plain river]

Oh

Holding attack combo through dashes?

On arthur?

[proper furnace]

no you literally can hold attack and press dash

it counts as a dash strike

or i think they just mean using dash strikes in a row

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh rover]

oh yeah maybe it's just using dash strikes consecutively >.>

[soft kiln]

does eris starting with cluster bomb mean i shoudl priority deadly flourish over deadly strike?

prioritize*

[tight basin]

i've seen people use clockets with deadly flourish so yeah
deadly strike on rail isn't great anyways

pretty sure clockets nearly always want arty special actually

[random relic]

^^ that pretty much

[soft kiln]

i thought deadly strike was good because of the natural bonus damage

[random relic]

the crit chance on the special is better than the +% other gods offer because of the built it 75% global damage

[twin cloak]

% on rail sux

[random relic]

zeus is just like infinitely better

[twin cloak]

**rail attack

[random relic]

because eris has built in global damage you want to stack a lot of flat damage sources on it

[plain river]

Deadly strike doesn’t work well on rail unless like zag rail spread fire

[twin cloak]

Eris doom 🤘

I still don't know what spread fire actually does

[random relic]

the one exception to that is special because it has a high base damage and you use it infrequently

but thats why you get lightning strike/jolted/splitting/tidal dash/poseidon t2s

[soft kiln]

oh i probably shouldn't have started with an arty keepsake then

[random relic]

yeah you should always start with zeus on eris

[twin cloak]

U always want 2 start zeus attack

[plain river]

Shotgun with 40 base damage, -6 to magazine

[twin cloak]

Oh huh

Is it like actually a shotgun

Or is it just a burst with big radius

[random relic]

more like this i think

[plain river]

I mean taking artemis keepsake for arte flourish wouldn’t be that bad on eris would it

it’s not multiple bullets

It’s a short cone

[random relic]

yeah

thats a good way to describe it

[twin cloak]

I remember taking spread fire on eris when i was new and grinding bounties out of the assumption that it would multiply my zeus bolts

😇👍

[random relic]

lmao

[plain river]

like aphrodite cast y’know

Short cone

[tight basin]

if you have cluster or rocket bomb at the start then maybe not but still rather start zeus atk

[twin cloak]

Yeah but no zeus attack feels really awful to play

I really hate hammer starts on eris for that reason

[random relic]

you only do that in asphodel if you already have tidal dash

[twin cloak]

Takes like 2 shots to kill a numbskull

[random relic]

i used to until i got good at enemy grouping

you can clear early tart rooms in 2 or 3 rocket bombs with hammer start

[twin cloak]

Speedrunning sucks because i'm too bad at the game to do sub 7 poseidon

[random relic]

bruh

[twin cloak]

I've had the document open for days and have not looked at it at all

Xd

[random relic]

i mean enemy grouping not spawn manip lmao

but you should def also learn spawn manip

[soft kiln]

ooh got rocket bomb

do you just stand on top of mobs and try to hit with all 5

[tight basin]

yes

big boom

[random relic]

yes

[tight basin]

i think at least 4 of them get the damage boost? not sure how it works, only used clockets once

[random relic]

its like a shotgun

[tight basin]

but big boom

[random relic]

except its 400 base damage

its ridiculously good

[tight basin]

oh yeah rocket bomb negates the % loss from cluster

[random relic]

^^

so each rocket does 80 damage for 400 total lmao

also in a lot of cases you can actually just spray it at a large group of enemies and everything dies lmao

like in styx you kinda just walk in there right click and go on to the next room

[trail anvil]

Hi! I'm new to the server. Been on a Hades binge since I bought it during the Steam Summer sale, because I knew it would scratch my itch now that I've hit a wall in TBOI.
Looking for some pointers in how to use the bow. Regardless of aspect, my worst runs are always with the bow. It's the only weapon I haven't defeated Redacted with yet and the most successful run is with hammer upgrade that enables auto attack. My main issue is that you have to stand still (at least, that's my impression). I can be a cool sniper in Tartarus, but as soon as I get to Asphodel and Elysium my damage just goes to zero and I try to dodge, but it almost always ends at Asterius and his human, or even earlier. I just keep getting hit, without getting hits.

How can I learn to enjoy the bow? Any pointers to general strategy (as boons/builds are hard to get) are much appreciated. Thanks.

[lucid oar]

Dash striking is key, it charges way faster

[trail anvil]

Also, Keyboard & Mouse user, if that applies.

[lucid oar]

Also it’s pretty reliant on hammers to do well, you want either twin shot or triple shot

[trail anvil]

Will try and focus on dashing, it seems.

Also: Can you get good at sniping with it? Tried Firey Presence with High Confidence, and such, to take down enemies with one shot. Works good up to Elysium, but everything after that It seems like enemies has too much HP to make it matter.

[valid dagger]

Having a strong first hit is still very nice

If you're struggling with a weapon tho I wouldnt recommend High Confidence

I wrote something about bow basics somewhere

Alright so the first thing you have to understand about the Bow in order for it to not feel clunky is Dash strikes and Powershots, if you hold your attack button for a brief moment, there is a quick flash, which is your cue to release the attack button to let out a Powershot, which does more damage, it also has a different sound which you can use to know whether you were successful or not, with enough time and practice this will be 100% instinct and you wont even think about it nor need the sound or the flash, the other basic thing is dash-striking, dash-strikes are important for the bow because it makes the attack charge faster, therefore getting to that Powershot window quicker, which means you can let out more arrows compared to doing standing strikes only, the "giveaway" is that Powershots deal a bit less damage, however they have better scaling options through Chaos and Hunter Dash, since they benefit from Attack (strike) buffs and Dash-strike (lunge) buffs, standing attacks only benefit from Attack buffs. To make sure that you're dash striking you can look at the way Zag is holding the bow, if it's vertical then it's a dash strike, if it's horizontal then it's not, there is also quite a noticeable difference in terms of charging speed of the attack so it should be obvious which is which, these are things you have to familiarize yourself with in order to play bow well, it's sort of like a rhythm which you get used to eventually.

In terms of build and what to aim for, as already explained, the Attack is your major source of damage, and it's a rather slow hit with good base damage so you want to buff that up with % boost Gods, such as Artemis or Aphrodite, other gods such as Demeter Athena can work, avoid Poseidon, low % and the knockback is obnoxious.
To scale beyond that you're first looking at hammers, both hammers are very important on bows, you dont want to skip them, for your first the ideal options are one of Twin Shot or Triple Shot, Twin Shot is a comfy safe pick, Triple Shot incentivizes shotgunning to get all 3 arrows to hit, it's less safe but theoretically more damage, you have a handful of other options if those are not offered, the main 2 being Perfect Shot and Point Blank Shot, Perfect is good because powershots, Point Blank is good because you're usually gonna be playing up close and personal so you get the damage bonus very often, atleast you should, dont stress about getting it on every arrow you shoot. Two other decent hammers are worth considering here, the first is Flurry Shot, it removes the whole powershot mechanic, but your arrows come out quicker, it can be a bit tough to control but it's definitely strong when used well, the other hammer is Explosive Shot, which is the opposite of Flurry, it makes your Attack charge slower, but it has more aoe to it and does more damage in an area, both of those hammers change the playstyle quite a bit, I encourage you experiment to find out what's fun for you, but they're all good, the latter 2 are usually ones you want from your second hammer because they'll ramp up Twin or Triple Shot quite nicely but for first hammer they can struggle a bit

Now that we're done with hammers there are other things you can do to complement your build, first being Chaos and Hunter Dash, from Chaos you want any Strike or Lunge, and Hunter Dash is there to buff your dash strike damage further, those all will buff your attack and make it stronger, but you can also get external sources of flat damage going, such as Calls, Dionysus or Zeus are the preferred options for dps, some people also like Splash Dash, I'm personally not a big fan.
To start your run you can take Aphrodite's keepsake, she has the biggest % buff on the attack so getting that early is quite nice, and Weak is damage reduction so it'll help you survive, for Tartarus look for your first hammer, and any good gods to supplement your build, such as Zeus Dio Athena or an Artemis, for Call Call Call/Dash Dash respectively, in Asphodel you can force Artemis if you'd like her Dash, if you want more defensive options you can take Athena, from then onwards just wing it and make sure you get your second hammer and try to be always dash striking and powershotting, you'll be rewarded for positioning yourself properly and not getting interrupted often (as with all weapons tbh)

hopefully they're in order

[trail anvil]

That's some great advice there! Thank you so much!

[soft kiln]

if i already have ME should i purge divine flourish and go for something else?

achilles spear. i didn't intend on ME but it happened 😐 also dumb common curse of agony 😦

[lucid oar]

As long as you have divine dash it should be fine

[soft kiln]

i do

[plain river]

Yeah

You can purge athena flourish unless you want to try to slip deadly reversal in there

[soft kiln]

this is really hard since dash doesn't qualify

[plain river]

Thats why I said unless you wanted to slip it in there

[soft kiln]

real talk why do all the athena duos have to be so hard to qualify for

what is the balancing factor here

[plain river]

because ddash

[plain river]

(and lightning phalanx?)

[soft kiln]

is lightning phalanx good?

[plain river]

yes

[soft kiln]

can you elaborate?

[plain river]

no

athena cast big much deflect, good-ish damage I think? When it bounces thrice it does much more deflect and much more damage, so good

[soft kiln]

do effects like that hit the same target multiple times?

[plain river]

I’m not exactly sure what you just asked

[strange lark]

no

[soft kiln]

zeus cast, lightning phalanx cast, etc. when they bounce can they hit hte same target multiple times or is this only good in groups?

[soft kiln]

k

[thick vine]

The bow is my favorite weapon in the game, specifically aspect of chiron. I always get privileged status, try to combine between Dionysus, Aphrodite, ares, and Demeter. My personal fav is Dionysus special with ares attack, you can get so many boons to stack those for even more damage, to the point all you have to do is pull of a couple attack/special combos and the passive damage goes nuts

[soft kiln]

do you have all of these essays compiled together somewhere? i'd like to save it as a resource

[valid dagger]

I don't, they're scattered across this discord

[proven osprey]

Good old scattered texts here and there

[random relic]

yeah you just have to search for them and hope to find them lmao

[soft kiln]

I compiled some. Will add more if i see you quote longer ones or something i find particularly useful

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16fsp8Xe5Rce8gKENQjGEXVBMWpwZTUXmqeq2st1fsc8/edit?usp=sharing

[proven osprey]

Mike stealing all of the credit sigh

Classic

[soft kiln]

I could change it to being a more generalized set of useful quotes as i find them

[proven osprey]

Yeah dw about that

[random relic]

dont forget about my chaos shield guide

[soft kiln]

During my time here Mike has probably the most detailed explanations for things that i've seen

[soft kiln]

link? i can add it

[lucid oar]

And my ideal boons guide for malphon 👍

[random relic]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[soft kiln]

link 🙂

[soft kiln]

oh

[lucid oar]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

(sorry)

[fresh rover]

can someone pin this?

[lucid oar]

The one above it is quite good though.

[proven osprey]

First pinned message has a good piece of advice too

[random relic]

trying to think of other actual guide copypastas lmao

[lucid oar]

The Rama guide by lili is a classic

[random relic]

[soft kiln]

the post above yours with some basic build setups for fists was actually ok lol

[valid dagger]

Astaos followed that guide when doing 50 heat

[random relic]

#h1-builds-and-combat message heres nyaanyaas collection of guides

[valid dagger]

Good old days

[soft kiln]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

I thought dash strike damage wasn't that good on fists

[strange lark]

Dash strike damage applies to dash specials

[soft kiln]

😮

[strange lark]

Can you add my tier lists from yesterday to the sheet

[soft kiln]

Link please 🙂

[random relic]

jesus christ

[strange lark]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

There are more if you scroll down

[soft kiln]

lol wow

[random relic]

mirage shot kinda mid tbh

[lucid oar]

Yeah

It sucks

Only usable on one true expert

Completely falls apart on the others

[soft kiln]

@random relic @valid dagger do you two want editor access to add stuff whenever you feel? or anybody else with non-meme intentions for the most part :p

[random relic]

also athena call being the only good call on beo only applies on high heat where its just used as a panic button

otherwise hades call is better for damage because its hades call lmao

but you dont take hades call in high heat because you want defensive keepsakes

[soft kiln]

added clarification

i actually never know when to use hades call

i watched a speedrun earlier where someone grabbed it in elysium but i don't really understand how the decision was made

[iron barn]

is this bc of the iframe bug

[proper furnace]

What weapon?

If beo it probably was smth like no good well to use bone hourglass

On eris may be a lack of call

[soft kiln]

it was Eris Clockets

[proper furnace]

Tho ig it also matters if you have seen your 2nd hermes for rd

As taking call makes your odds worse by adding second wind/quick favor

[soft kiln]

i know they found RD but i don't remember when

[iron barn]

which dmg buffs are true global and which arent?

[strange lark]

maim targeting system and sweet surrender are true global

[soft kiln]

is eris global?

[plain river]

Yeah just not true global iirc

[random relic]

^

[soft kiln]

what is that distinctino

distinction*

[plain river]

If it affects traps and companions?

[soft kiln]

wait sweet surrender makes enemies take more damage from traps? that's wild

[plain river]

Maybe it’s just companions

I think the thing about sweet surrender and targettijg system is it’s the enemy taking more damage

Not you dealing more damage

[iron barn]

is that it

also are they still additive with other non-true global buffs

[plain river]

Think so

[random relic]

yes and yes

the difference is that those 3 make enemies take more damage from all sources but normal global damage only makes zag deal more damage

stuff like traps and companions arent counted as zag damage sources

[gentle pollen]

chiron bow with drunk special and low tolerance = win

[strange lark]

does that work for all heats

[random relic]

yeah i got a 57 heat clear with it

[strange lark]

yooo

@unreal tree new 64 strat

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958001617477697586.gif?size=48

[fresh rover]

i wanna try a non-lightning strike zag fists build, anyone have any suggestions?

[tight basin]

ME lol

[proper furnace]

Oops, all ME

[strange lark]

tempest strike

[proper furnace]

Or drunk fists

If you want a yo yo take talos tempest flourish

[fresh rover]

ME?

[proper furnace]

And cry at lack of boss dmg

[tight basin]

tempest strike + sea storm = budget zeus atk

[strange lark]

ares attack athena special athena dash merciful end

[fresh rover]

ohh alrighty awesome

[soft kiln]

what builds actually want legacy? sea storm? ME?

[dense basin]

Heart Rend once probably too

[proven osprey]

Tough to say

[soft kiln]

that makes sense since arty epics don't matter much

[proven osprey]

90% of builds are just better with pride because Hermes

[dense basin]

Or if you aim for specific legendaries like splitting bolt when using Zeus boons

[strange lark]

i feel like beo is the only weapon that prefers legacy

[proven osprey]

I'd just say, more than one duo or fishing for Hermes legendary

[proven osprey]

Yeah can't think of another one

[soft kiln]

because casts don't care about rarity?

[proven osprey]

Oh you do

[strange lark]

yeah

[soft kiln]

but you really need mirage shot?

[proven osprey]

But you just reset

Mirage shot is absolutely incredible

[soft kiln]

pretend you can't just reset for hte purposes of these questions. you could conceivably reset to anything

[strange lark]

nah we usually dont reset for cast rarity

[dense basin]

IMO if you do high heat runs when you go for AP and UC it's better to use pride, because you use builds which just needs one strong boon enhancing power of the aspect

[proven osprey]

Cringe

[strange lark]

imagine doing high heat

[soft kiln]

when do you all reset and why? i kinda just play whatever happens and try to make the best choices with what i have. but i have had runs that were just painful so i understand it. or if you're trying to speedrun without being completely beholden to rng.

[proven osprey]

You absolutely want it but getting one duo without legacy is not too much trouble (keepsake, yarn, nectar etc)

Yeah we're definitely speaking about speedrunning or heat

[strange lark]

yeah we only reset for rarity at high heat and speedrunning

[random relic]

legacy is the standard on beo but pride beo is also good because hermes and chaos lmao

i think both sub5s use pride

[proven osprey]

Pride kinda good

[twin cloak]

i reset when i'm about to die so i don't have to run through the entire house again 👍

[random relic]

its certainly more highroll because you dont have as high a chance of seeing mirage by lernie but epic shot boons and purple rd are too good to pass up

[soft kiln]

you only change seeds when you win?

i mean you personally

not like how does this game work

[random relic]

no, speedrun modpack has a quick reset feature

and it just puts you in the courtyard

[proven osprey]

stops typing furiously about seeds

[soft kiln]

oh neat

[random relic]

it changes the seed though

[soft kiln]

that's a separate button from give up?

[random relic]

yes

[proper furnace]

Combination of buttons

That i havent checked if i can turn on

[random relic]

you press call + reload + summon + interact all at the same time

[proven osprey]

Konami code pog

[random relic]

lmao

[soft kiln]

omg that would be so hard for me to press

[proven osprey]

It's basically shoulders and triggers

Generally speaking

[twin cloak]

shift e r mouse5

smh

[soft kiln]

xbox controller: RS + LT + Y + A

[proven osprey]

RS for reloading is so uncomfortable, I suggest you try a shoulder, LB kinda good

[soft kiln]

Y is reload

RS is call

LT is summon

A is interact

LB is my codex

i guess that could be something else i just got used to it

[proper furnace]

Put codex at r3 it doesnt deserve big button

[strange lark]

oh we talking about controls now

[twin cloak]

I bound codex to left click 🙂

[soft kiln]

which one is r3?

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/947560991229607977/unknown.png

[soft kiln]

is that RS?

[strange lark]

look at mine

rate them out of 10

[soft kiln]

right stick?

[strange lark]

yeah

[twin cloak]

7/10 deadzone too high

[proven osprey]

Stop

[random relic]

those movement keys are a bit far apart but i underdstand

hand exercises are important

[twin cloak]

it's dvorak

[random relic]

i know

[strange lark]

no this is qwerty

[soft kiln]

if i move codex to right stick, then does that make LB Call?

[twin cloak]

azerty

[random relic]

azerty is cursed

what countries use azerty

[twin cloak]

france

some other french speaking countries

[random relic]

wtf france

did they do that just to have all the vowels on the top row

[twin cloak]

if anything ever seems strange it's always the french's fault

[soft kiln]

can you show me your controller binds?

[proper furnace]

Not at home also on switch controller but iirc

Lt is special (attack on beo)

Rt is call

Lb is reload

Rb interact

Y is attack (cast on beo)

X is summon

B is dash

A is cast (special on beo-hera)

And r3 codex

[soft kiln]

lol for a second i was really confused because Y is the top button on xbox

[proper furnace]

Thats why i specified i dont remember other controllers face buttons

[soft kiln]

Y = A
X = Y
B = A
A = B

switch = xbox

so your dash is my interact and your call is my dash

i donno if i want to move dash away from shoulder triggers. that's been standard for me since megaman x XD

[proper furnace]

For me it depends on game by game lol

On hades is fine but on others i also use dash on trigger/bumper

[soft kiln]

why does hades get a pass? does it make dash strikes easier?

[proper furnace]

Idk

Same reason why i swap attack to lt on beo (and also do the opposite on hera lol, Y attack lt cast)

Is just vibes ig

[soft kiln]

that's fair was just curious if you had a specific reason other than it feels right 🙂

i used to have summon on left stick until i accidentally used it a thousand times

[random relic]

my binds for games are generally wasd for movement, space for jump, shift/lctrl for dash/run, qerftc1234 tab and capslock for random stuff, left click/right click for whatever is obvious, side buttons for things i use frequently, and middle click for just whatever random thing (like healing in terraria)

[soft kiln]

i can't get diagonal movement right on keyboard. feels super weird. i basically only use kbm for games that require mouse for aiming or mmos

[twin cloak]

i used to bind stuff to middle click before realizing i still never used the button

[random relic]

lmao nice

[twin cloak]

hand bad reaching button hard

[random relic]

i cant play anything on controllers, everything feels weird and inconveniently placed

[soft kiln]

i think i used it on my frost mage in wow for random toggleable buffs

[twin cloak]

i like the snappy movement on kb

[soft kiln]

snappy?

[proper furnace]

For me depends on what i start playing first

[twin cloak]

my brain just can't use a circle stick for movement

[random relic]

i feel like on controller its really hard to do a series of precise inputs

[soft kiln]

(incidentally i started hades on switch controller and murdered my A button. now it catches so i had to switch to xbox)

[twin cloak]

my friends think i'm weird because i played celeste on kb lmao

[random relic]

i feel like celeste is better on keyboard

[proper furnace]

That i agree

[random relic]

the only disadvantage is feather movement

[soft kiln]

this is probably true, but when it comes to things that require timed movement my brain has a really hard time handling it without a stick or dpad

do you dash in the direction of the cursor or the direction you're moving?

[twin cloak]

dash at cursor is a scam

[random relic]

moving lmao

dash at cursor is awful

[twin cloak]

wdym epic boon% strats !!!!

[random relic]

cherry uses dash at cursor strats when playing gilga which i cant understand

like i wouldnt want to add more time to my rarity resets lmao

[twin cloak]

what i would personally do

is simply not play gilga

[soft kiln]

do you aim at cursor?

[strange lark]

only for the first boon

very based

[twin cloak]

wait so do they just open up controls and turn it off after

[random relic]

and fountain rooms

[strange lark]

bruh

[random relic]

yes

nice 0.15s time save on boon%

lmao

[twin cloak]

0.15s is a lot!

[proper furnace]

Depends on weapon iirc

Hard no on rail

[soft kiln]

while we're talking about precise inputs what is the input combo to flurry jab properly? Mike was talking about how the benefit of flurry jab isn't that you dash strike and then immediately standing strike, but i have no idea what other option there is.

[soft kiln]

aren't you dashing towards things for eris anyway?

[random relic]

no turning off aim at cursor on rail makes it work like controller

but not for any other weapon lmao

[soft kiln]

mmm i'm having trouble visualizing this. i'll have to just try kbm sometime to understand it.

also please literally anybody answer about flurry jab. it's been bugging me XD I will even put it in the google doc

[random relic]

i have absolutely no idea

[proper furnace]

I just hold attack ngl

[random relic]

@valid dagger youre the one that said something about flurry jab

[proper furnace]

Idk if its optimal

[strange lark]

mash dash

tap attack twice

i think thats how it works

and immediately special afterwards

usually behind an enemy

well assuming achilles

which is the only spear you should be playing

[random relic]

nah zag spear best spear

[soft kiln]

so you should be getting 2 really fast dash strikes?

[strange lark]

yes

[proper furnace]

Are you bablo alt

[soft kiln]

is the special to cancel out of accidentally doing a standing attack?

[soft kiln]

what

[proper furnace]

Wrong reply

[random relic]

no its to refresh achilles buff

[strange lark]

its for both

[random relic]

yeah

[proper furnace]

It was for this

[strange lark]

the achilles combo will usually have you always do 4 empowered attacks

because the dashstrikes are actually 2 attacks

[soft kiln]

is it two actual visual dashes that are both two attacks?

is flurry jab just a difficult to execute double edge?

[strange lark]

no if you input a dashstrike there will be always be a standing strike after it

the thing with flurry jab is that its kinda bugged so if you spam a bunch of dashstrikes you will get standing strikes after each dashstrike

without having the delay of a standing strike

[soft kiln]

so you should visually see a dash strike followed by a standing strike. maybe he meant the risky part was that if you hold it down you'll keep doing standing strikes?

[strange lark]

yes

[soft kiln]

ok. i donno if i misunderstood the conversation before or something but he made me think dash strike followed by standing strike was not the intended effect

[fresh rover]

huh so i was trying to get ME on my fists run, ended up getting curse of longing instead which has actually been pretty sick so far... jw if i get ME in the future is it anti-synergistic with COL?

[strange lark]

yeah

[fresh rover]

:(

and just checking does dire misfortune let you stack doom?

[strange lark]

yeah it lets you add more damage to doom

the more you hit an enemy with doom

with an attack that applies doom

[fresh rover]

ok sweet

[tight basin]

Dire misfortune is a nice bonus for ME but it's not necessary imo

[random relic]

^ that pretty much

[fresh rover]

having it on curse of longing seems pretty great tho

[random relic]

it can be useful to have when you dont have ME yet though

ehhh doesnt really do too much

COL isnt great because when you hit an enemy again it just entirely replaces the COL doom

[strange lark]

idk man the best way to play with doom is to apply it and then run to the opposite side of the room to stay safe

col really helps with that since you wont have to run in to apply doom again

helps you stay even more safe

[random relic]

[fresh rover]

oh yes i'm experiencing this atm lol

[plain river]

Dire misfortune has some use on dedge ME probably

[dreamy prism]

thank you r/hades

[random relic]

itll add like 3 damage per doom proc

its not added to the base damage of the doom

kinda like ME

thats why it sucks

[plain river]

[proper furnace]

ok dumb question, does swift flourish speeding up the shield atk animation makes you get to start blocking faster?

swift strike*

[strange lark]

Yes

[tight basin]

oh swift strike beo would actually be pretty decent for a fast block then

[plain river]

Heroic swift strike beo

[tight basin]

kinda based ngl

[plain river]

flurry bash shield hammer when?

ssg tell me

[strange lark]

Nah dash strike is still faster I think

[tight basin]

lmao
you can no longer bullrush, making beo completely useless

does swift strike not affect dash strike?

[plain river]

Load casts into your attack

[proper furnace]

no

swift strike on bow only buffs standing attack too

[tight basin]

oh damn swift strike kinda doodoo then

[dreamy prism]

that's the main reason swift strike is a mid boon at best

[proper furnace]

swift strike + pulv blow is fun at least

[dreamy prism]

really good on some aspects, literally useless on most

[tight basin]

forget the cast part of beo, just run around and bash their heads in

[proper furnace]

im talking on zag shield

[dreamy prism]

with arty attack beo can do really solid damage thanks to dragon rush buff

[proper furnace]

i wouldnt touch pulv blow on beo lmao

[twin cloak]

Swift trike arhur 😁 👍

[tight basin]

@dreamy prism what if you did pulv blow beo and ignored the cast part to tick no longer a clockets addict off

[dreamy prism]

oh I already did castless beo 40

[tight basin]

okay but 50

[dreamy prism]

it was a midroll build and felt pretty great

castless beo is def top half of aspects imo, it feels like a weaker but big aoe hestia

with cshot of course, without cshot it's worthless

[twin cloak]

Which one is pulv blow again

Isn't that x2 standing strikes

[tight basin]

atk hits twice yeah

no knockback

[dreamy prism]

no knockback is problematic for beo

[tight basin]

just get tempest strike duh

[dreamy prism]

and it's a sidegrade for zshield

I like it personally

it gives you markedly more dps vs regular enemies since you can boss dps rotation them instead of relying on wall slams

but of course losing a get off me tool can suck

[plain river]

Super soaker pulv beo

[tight basin]

i thought of the same thing but didn't want to say it lmfao

[proper furnace]

Is a fun hammer yeah

I got it as a 2nd hammer a lot during my 45 heat runs with swift strike

[dreamy prism]

dad gets ruined by it

[plain river]

How come there isn’t a triple shot esque hammer for sword, shield, and fists

[twin cloak]

Super soaker everything cracked

Super soaker arthue :mucle:

[dreamy prism]

but one problem is dad gets ruined by normal zshield already, no need for even patty

[plain river]

Best boon combo ever

[proper furnace]

Is it really a suoer soaker if you dont have a water gun

[twin cloak]

Yes

[plain river]

Is it really super soaker if it isn’t pos attack zeus x? Obviously no

[twin cloak]

Stabbing enemies with water sword = super soaker

[proper furnace]

Dont take away the one unique thing luci has

[twin cloak]

Luci has dire lucifortune

Smh

[proper furnace]

I think only Haelian knows that outside of here

[plain river]

Pulverizing blow pos attack is kinda second wave

[twin cloak]

Ooo does that mean if you get second wave