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#h1-builds-and-combat
strange lark
turn it off and on again idk
random relic
what have you done to the game
tender latch
What're the best boons for arthur? I'm just slapping athena on dash and aphro on attack then rolling with whatever else I get
tender latch
What should special have? Don't really know between doom or chill or smth
fading nymph
I will literally
tight basin
What should special have? Don't really know between doom or chill or smth
anything % based tbh, the special isn't really your main source of damage anyways
artemis if you want to get heart rend duo and look for pressure points so you have a 2-4% chance to deal big damage on an attack, but it frankly doesn't matter lol
dreamy prism
What should special have? Don't really know between doom or chill or smth
whatever you want, or nothing, or something to open up duos
dreamy prism
I will literally
always take Divine Dash
plain river
What should special have? Don't really know between doom or chill or smth
Zeus special for smair 
Possibly
tight basin
you could put zeus on call instead for that
plain river
Wait nvrmind zeus call is probably better ther
tight basin
it's nearly better in every situation smair is involved lol
random relic
always take Divine Dash
over pretty much everything
tender latch
what is smair
tight basin
smoldering air
random relic
smoldering air
plain river
Smouldering air
random relic
aphro zeus duo
tender latch
Is that just weak enemies getting thunderstruck
plain river
But now that I think about it putting zeus on call would be so much better
plain river
Is that just weak enemies getting thunderstruck
No
tight basin
Is that just weak enemies getting thunderstruck
call capped at 25% but you get 5% charge per second
very strong duo, gives iframes and a lot of dps
tender latch
Ah
dreamy prism
Is that just weak enemies getting thunderstruck
did you just invent a cool duo
because that's a cool duo idea
iron barn
two best hammers are like double edge and shadow slash
is double edge good on arthur though
dash strikes dont do that much tbh
plain river
is double edge good on arthur though
Yes
random relic
is double edge good on arthur though
yeah but shadow slash is preferred
speedrun record takes dedge i think
dreamy prism
arthur dstrikes are faster than main combo so good for small stuff and safety
plain river
Dash strikes do like 50 iirc so 100 damage dash strike kinda nice
iron barn
id prob prefer cursed slash breaching slash tho
tight basin
i mean considering the other sword hammers it's pretty good lol
dreamy prism
yeah breaching is good too
plain river
cursed slash arthur is cursed
random relic
whats breaching
iron barn
+400% dmg to armor
plain river
+300% to armour
random relic
oh ok
iron barn
oops
plain river
wait
tender latch
cursed slash stank
dreamy prism
+200% to armor
random relic
lmao
iron barn
🤔
random relic
it keeps getting worse and worse
plain river
Yeah I’m right
dreamy prism
+100% to armor
dreamy prism
-100% damage to armor
plain river
you actually give them more armour
dreamy prism
lmao
random relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902706324431831092/1004570799094628483/un...
damn
still better than cursed slash
iron barn
true
plain river
I think cruel thrust should be compatable with arthur and to work on arthur d-strikes
lucid oar
iron barn
still better than cursed slash
me when i get cursed slash + world splitter from the anvil
tender latch
which is world splitter-
plain river
90 damage chop
iron barn
chop chop baby
dreamy prism
one thing I discovered was that cruel thrust is actually a really strong hammer
dreamy prism
if dash strikes didn't exist it would unironically be a top sword hammer
the damage it adds is insane
tight basin
one thing I discovered was that cruel thrust is actually a really strong hammer
bold statement from someone named "no special zeus shield"
dreamy prism
I was shocked how much it was hauling ass in my cursed slash zsword 40 heat run
legit good hammer
dreamy prism
bold statement from someone named "no special zeus shield"
based
random relic
oh yeah itd be really good if dash strikes werent better
dreamy prism
yeah which is so much
random relic
literally with arty attack is 85% crit chance nem
tender latch
TIL Arthur's sacred ground slows down the kamikaze chariots
strange lark
literally with arty attack is 85% crit chance nem
only on the last attack of the sword combo wmicletsgo
random relic
only on the last attack of the sword combo wmicletsgo
yep lol
does it work with flurry?
strange lark
no
plain river
It’s like +60 damage to your thrust and *1.8 damage on average without calculating heart rend or the arte boon which makes crits do more damage
random relic
bruh
plain river
does it work with flurry?
They’re incompatable
random relic
maybe that hammer would make flurry actually not half bad
plain river
It wouldn’t work on flurry
tight basin
flurry doesnt have the thrust combo it's just slashes
lucid oar
Geraldo nerfs
random relic
wtf game
plain river
flurry is just slashes
strange lark
Geraldo nerfs
wait did he get nerfed
lucid oar
Yeah
dreamy prism
finally
strange lark
how
plain river
Does flurry even boost attack speed or does it just nerf your attack hard
dreamy prism
he was dominating high heat meta
lucid oar
Yep
strange lark
honestly
plain river
Geraldo nerfs
How’d they get nerfed?
random relic
whos geraldo
dreamy prism
pickle eris is so broken tbh
random relic
rtrstfhrdgtrfbhjkrengaerlng
dreamy prism
same with sharpening hestia
plain river
Pfffft
lucid oar
I dunno if I should link the changes here
Given that it’s another game
I’ll put it in other games
strange lark
nah its fine mods are ok with that i think
dreamy prism
what other game
plain river
can they still one tower chimps
lucid oar
Probably
dreamy prism
aren't we talking about geraldo's boons
lucid oar
Geraldo could 1tc with 130k cash leftover
plain river
Geraldo kinda bouldy boons
lucid oar
That’s a lot of obols
dreamy prism
the one thing about geraldo nerf is that I feel like it'll make bone hourglass less popular
which is a shame
random relic
oh this is btd lmao
dreamy prism
what's that
random relic
bouldy tower defense
plain river
Hoarding slash is so horrendously bad that it doesn’t even get affected by +% boons
dreamy prism
why would I want to pop bouldy
random relic
no you are the bouldy
plain river
you’re protecting bouldy from the towers
dreamy prism
oh ok I see
strange lark
plain river
Hoarding slash is so horrendously bad that it doesn’t even get affected by +% bo...
It still can crit but it’s pretty sad that it doesn’t get addititive damage
dreamy prism
are crits post hoarding calc
plain river
Think so
strange lark
I'm pretty sure hoarding slash is just additive damage
plain river
It’s somewhere between additive damage and crit
plain river
it isn’t base damage but it’s still affected by critting
iron barn
arent crits always last
plain river
That’d sound about right
dreamy prism
I like how hoarding is so bad literally no one knows for sure
same phenomenon with sigil
tight basin
except sigil is good
plain river
I’m 99% sure hoarding slash is added post addititive% and pre-crit multi
dreamy prism
no it's awful
plain river
Sigil is +50% speed
tight basin
fair
plain river
Bouldy is half a greater haste and doesn’t take one of your hermes slots
plain river
Bouldy is half a greater haste and doesn’t take one of your hermes slots
Higher rarity hermes boons don’t exist
plain river
Zag sword + bouldy buff + hyper sprint + haste + rd + sigil
+230472 charon well items
random relic
bouldy is +10% speed and doesn't take a call
speaking of bouldy
i got a cast +9% on beo earlier
dreamy prism
tight basin
plain river
Bouldy actually gave me a +63% crit chance the other day
dreamy prism
still weaker than cruel thrust
plain river
definitely
Speaking of bouldy
Is there anything other then wish for splash dash that I should try to get on shackle runs?
this is definitely bouldy related
plain river
and hourglass is very strong for the jerkies
Like taking shackle from start to finish
of a run
Is what I mean
dreamy prism
oh duh
tight basin
hourglass could be good if you get like 2 jerkies lol
dreamy prism
yeah mostly chaos but still buy jerkies
plain river
I’m trying to complete shackle runs on every aspect while pushing my heat at the same time
pos sword keeps getting me though because for some reason pos doesn’t want to give me splash dash when I’m using his sword
or even show up for me when I’m using his sword
lavish trail
so I'm doing a sword crit run, i forget the aspect name, but i have artemis on dash strike and athena on attack/special, what combos should I be aiming for going into asphodel
unkempt scroll
Can I get some ideas for 0 heat spear run? So far I'm trying to beat it with crit attack, but it seems to be relying too much on attack speed, in my opinion
plain river
Can I get some ideas for 0 heat spear run? So far I'm trying to beat it with cri...
Crit attack is really only good on achilles and attack speed is a non-issue once you get dash striking as 2nd nature
unkempt scroll
I'd prefer not to use dash strike too much when it cancels i-frame :I
plain river
so I'm doing a sword crit run, i forget the aspect name, but i have artemis on d...
Try to get artemis on special or attack if you see the offer tbh, then you can go for the duo for even more crit chance
unkempt scroll
Just kills me faster, then
plain river
Plus when focusing attack you want flurry jab for helping your dash strikes
and etcetera
but a good spear build is exploding launcher and charged skewer hammers and either artemis or aphrodite on special, if artemis on special you also want aphrodite on attack for the duo
I think
fresh rover
gdi i just had the worst run i've ever had lol. not in terms of progress but in terms of massive slogfest. used bow with aspect of hera (first time trying it) and literally got 3 boons up until elysium which is a record low. and only one of the boons had a cast (zeus) and when i loaded my bow it didn't even look like it did anything?? so now i'm super confused what the aspect of hera even does lol
unkempt scroll
I'm not getting flurry jab, though
tight basin
gdi i just had the worst run i've ever had lol. not in terms of progress but in ...
do you have dark foresight?
fresh rover
er what's that?
plain river
It’s a mirror upgrade
tight basin
so I'm doing a sword crit run, i forget the aspect name, but i have artemis on d...
well ideally you would want artemis on either your atk or special for the duo with athena and athena dash with that lol but tbh you should be fine
fresh rover
do you have dark foresight?
oh yes i do, sry i just didn't know the name. i think i have max mirror upgrades for most things
tight basin
well then that's just unfortunate i guess lol
plain river
dark foresight being on is gonna help with that
fresh rover
no i don't have all the green ones cuz i find most of the inferior to the red
plain river
My question was redundant don’t answer it
fresh rover
can someone explain what aspect of hera actually does? i had a zeus cast that bounce lightning around but when i used the bow with the cast loaded it didn't look like it did anything at all
tight basin
no i don't have all the green ones cuz i find most of the inferior to the red
dark foresight is one of the green ones that you should get iirc
tight basin
can someone explain what aspect of hera actually does? i had a zeus cast that bo...
load cast into your atk, your next shot will shoot the cast out at the end of it
fresh rover
load cast into your atk, your next shot will shoot the cast out at the end of it
so in the zeus case it's supposed to shoot the lightning automatically?
plain river
When you shoot your attack
plain river
using your cast at a different place essentially
Aside from like trippy flare and dem flare right?
tight basin
except the flares yes
although on hera im pretty sure someone said it just drops the crystal off and isn't a flare
random relic
yeah but it sucks
tight basin
well you dont have a damage buff to it like achilles
it's like "damn i really wish i could put a crystal over there without having to walk over there"
tight basin
yeah lmao
fresh rover
dem flare?
plain river
Have you cleared the game
Otherwise it’s technically spoilers
And I don’t want to spoil that for you
fresh rover
oh yeah
plain river
do you have hidden aspect on shield?
fresh rover
no
plain river
Alr
fresh rover
i dont have any hidden aspects, dunno how to reveal them yet
plain river
Well like hera has some flares so I can be explained easy
tight basin
if you ever get curious the methods are pinned in #h1-story-discussion but they'll eventually reveal themselves by playing the game
tight basin
Well like hera has some flares so I can be explained easy
just trippy
plain river
basically demeter flare is demeter cast but for a different aspect and works way differently
Not meme beams
tight basin
the cast just explodes basically
fresh rover
o ic
ok unrelated question, i don't rly like poms but am i wrong in that? 😅 they just don't seem that good to me
proper furnace
Depends on the boon
plain river
Poms are only good for the first few
fresh rover
willing to be convinced otherwise tho if experienced ppl have opinions tho
proper furnace
Some dont care, some really so
tight basin
the first like 3-4 poms are generally good for core boons, but after that they're pretty eh
fresh rover
ah ok makes sense. generally how many boons do you guys end a run with?
plain river
Depends on the run
tight basin
there are some supporting boons that benefit from poms but same rule applies, 3-4 poms or so scale the most but after a certain point they drop off
proper furnace
I never check
plain river
sometimes it’s like less then 10 and sometimes it’s like 25
proper furnace
1 boon and a hammer and a dream
proper furnace
Shackle builds
Why even bother with shackle if you are just gonna do wet dash 
tight basin
just play hestia 0 boons no shackle all the way
plain river
Why even bother with shackle if you are just gonna do wet dash <:dusa:5222487714...
Because how else am I going to do shackle on all aspects
random relic
also yeah poms totally depends on the build
proper furnace
Why are you doing shackle
plain river
While pushing my heat higher
plain river
so I can say I’ve pushed my heat on every aspect while having shackle equiped for the whole run
proper furnace
🔫
random relic
useless on like crit nem but on cast buolds you often end up with a lvl9+ cast
tight basin
lmao yeah
plain river
so I can say I’ve pushed my heat on every aspect while having shackle equiped fo...
boons are fun but I want to be able to say this
tight basin
"+5 damage? well i dont have anything better to pom"
random relic
sometimes it’s like less then 10 and sometimes it’s like 25
where tf are you getting 25 boons
proper furnace
useless on like crit nem but on cast buolds you often end up with a lvl9+ cast
And still depends in the cast
proper furnace
Il never pom slicing/beams
plain river
I meant 24 boons
random relic
Il never pom slicing/beams
true
is first pom not good on slicing tho?
isnt it like 6 damage
proper furnace
I never feel the difference on them so idk you tell me
plain river
Poms are really good on hangover
plain river
ok unrelated question, i don't rly like poms but am i wrong in that? 😅 they ju...
It really depends on the boon. A pom in bronze skin or an artemis +% boon will do next to nothing, but a pom in hangover or aphrodite boons will go alot farther
proper furnace
yknow i should really try trippy beo at some point
You are gonna hate it at the start if chaos isnt kind
But once you get "the build"™ is 
random relic
You are gonna hate it at the start if chaos isnt kind <:bouldy:52332911693463553...
yeah, thats the reason i havent done it
but like why get trippy when mirage rd ff beo can still instaphase bosses
plain river
Because trippy can get all of that as well?
random relic
yeah but why get it on trippy if you can get it on flood flare
plain river
Trippy flare is an experience
proper furnace
The high base dmg vs flood makes nuking stupid fun
I got to nuke suoer dad before winter harvest procced
random relic
damn
unkempt scroll
I did my 0 heat run with the gun earlier. The best of my options I got in the beginning were a boon for special, and I just decided to go for it. It was sooo stupidly slow run. Too me half an hour just to get to Styx, lol.
Though, rocket + Poseidon special + 5x special was fun to try, just too bad it took so long to get the combo, lol.
Attack didn't help much either, didn't get much attack boons .-.
unkempt scroll
You can't? Never heard that before, I think
soft kiln
does ares special and rocket bomb interact in a weird way?
seems like doom is instantly going off now
random relic
not that i know of
soft kiln
since i have rocket triple bomb should i trade epic ares special for heroic artemis special?
aspect of eris
dreamy prism
and ares is big dumpster
soft kiln
why is arty the best special for eris
plain river
since eris gives you the additive damage that artemis craves
and artemis gives your big crits on your triple rockets
random relic
yep that
dreamy prism
artemis also has a boon called hunter's instinct
it's very strong because it helps you build up your calls faster
dreamy prism
wow so rude to arty's best boon
random relic
who at supergiant looked at the scaling on icy flare and decided it was ok
valid dagger
me
iron barn
who at supergiant looked at the scaling on icy flare and decided it was ok
is it really bad
lucid oar
Yes
shell sleet
random relic
is it really bad
yeah first pom does 14, second does 10, and every one after that does 7 i think
its the reason that icy flare is bad
icy flare actually has really amazing aoe
iron barn
and then youve got first pom doing 120 on trippy flare
strange lark
and then theres thunder flare doing 0 cast damage
iron barn
thunder flare is actually ok though
now that i think of it what does it do with mirage shot
tight basin
someone here should do a 50 heat beo thunderflare run lmao
strange lark
i feel like @valid dagger has one of those
random relic
yeah mike you do it
strange lark
if he doesnt then he should do one
random relic
i could barely do it with passion flare
random relic
no
or at least i dont think so
sweet surrender is "true global" damage as it affects damage from non zag sources
but i think its additive with zag damage bonuses
strange lark
its not multiplicative
strange lark
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902706324431831092/1004772445053521970/un...
i think this is just a weird way to say the % damage
strange lark
🗿
valid dagger
I have 50 heat with every flare
Except slicing
For what it’s worth
Because it’s ass
strange lark
i think this is just a weird way to say the % damage
instead of saying 13%-15% it says that
strange lark
Except slicing
new goal
iron barn
yeah the wiki has it worded that way on a bunch of random other boons as well
not sure why
iron barn
Because it’s ass
get hunting blades
strange lark
cant get that on beo
iron barn
WHAT
iron barn
big L
random relic
i think this is just a weird way to say the % damage
no, it increaaes meg damage and stuff
strange lark
i know
iron barn
no the wiki is just weird
it uses the same wording on seemingly random boons,,,
like some core boons even
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902706324431831092/1004772445053521970/un...
If you look at other boons they also have the “multiplier x-x” but that’s just telling you in the ball park of how much the original bonus is being increased at higher rarity
plain river
It is
But like a common aphrodite attack is +50%, the epic modifier saying “*1.8-2.0” means it can be between +90% and +100% when epic rarity
If that makes sense
So epic sweet surrender (2.0-2.5) would be between +20% and +25%, rather then +10%, not straight up multiplying your damage
soft kiln
demeter fist run with lightning strike, deadly flourish, lightning rod, static discharge
do i take ambrosia, porridge, or nectar
everything is epic
strange lark
doesnt scale well after the first pom tbh
and also hermes gud
+3 dashes or purple RD very pog
random relic
i think 2 poms are good on lightning strike, the third is bad, and every one after that is just
soft kiln
i was using plume because i didn't know what other keepsake i needed now
got +30% attack speed and rush delivery
sigh
maybe rd will get good later
since i have RD do i just witch to charon keepsake in elysium for ichors?
soft kiln
that's assuming plume actually triggered
plain river
Has it not triggered at all?
plain river
Neat
plain river
maybe once or twice
Just be faster it’s that easy
next patio
stubborn defiance better on higher heat?
plain river
Not really
Wait
Yes
I was thinking stubborn roots when I said not really
Eventually stubborn defiance becomes like your only form of healing when you start running the heat condition that kills heals
humble cliff
Phalanx shot replacing crystal beam, Blinding flash, or proud bearing
plain river
Phalanx shot
next patio
Eventually stubborn defiance becomes like your only form of healing when you sta...
oh you mean if i max lasting consequences i still heal from stubborn roots?
plain river
I said I meant studdorn defiance
But I think you still heal for stubborn root
Wait I said I meant stubborn defiance and then said stubborn roots again
next patio
yeah i'm getting confused lmao
plain river
Eventually stubborn defiance becomes like your only form of healing when you start running the heat condition that kills heals
unless you pick up stubborn roots(I think) but like you aren’t trying to get stubborn roots
next patio
so like athena's boon that gives 1 more defiance and increased hp does it get increased too?
is it affected?
proper furnace
Last stand/deathless stand both affect sd yeah
And if you take them while your sd was already used in thag room you gain a DD then sd regens next room
young wind
How do builds even work? Can you control what boons you get?!
plain river
Yes
plain river
keepsakes and mirror upgrades
plain river
you gain somewhat control over which boons you see with a mirror upgrade
young wind
What does it do?
plain river
Lets you reroll which boon choice you have
plain river
a limited amount of times
young wind
a limited amount of times
In a run or per boon?
plain river
Per run
plain river
But if you buy a certain work order you can also gain more uses from taking key rooms
but you can also control your build by simply chosing the right boons
plain river
Since some open up other boons that you might or might not want
young wind
i just beaten the game i dont think i should worry about this
plain river
Since some open up other boons that you might or might not want
You can see this info using your codex
young wind
Yeah i know
plain river
And also keeping in mind which gods you pick up since after you have 4 gods aside from hermes or chaos in your god pool you can’t see more without keepsake forcing
random relic
yeah, and generally in the second too
dreamy prism
actually you take tooth in second region because lernie sucks wtf
next patio
lernie's rng based like theseus' god power the ones i hate the most is lava lernies and demeter theseus
random relic
orange lernie heads on em2 are terrifying
proper furnace
Blue head bad
strange lark
imagine having trouble with the second boss of the game
random relic
yeah blue heads are the worst ones
random relic
imagine having trouble with the second boss of the game <:bouldy:523329116934635...
bruh
you cant tell me you dont die to lernie
strange lark
never have
random relic
hmmm
strange lark
i havent played in a month so no
random relic
i die more to lernie than em heroes tbh
lucid oar
Orange heads are the best heads wdym
They just go towards the middle so you can DPS them
random relic
yeah and then you dash into lava and pop your sd
strange lark
That's on you smh
lavish trail
bro
i get aph in chamber 1
i get zeus in erebus gate from chamber 2
I literally go then THE ENTIRE RUN UNTIL THE END OF ELYSIUM WHERE I AM NOW without being offered a SINGLE aid
I don't get offered even ONE aid from ANY god even once
I used literally every single roll
and have NO aid
So the smair build I was so confident was about to carry me? shattered completely
plain river
Sad rng
random relic
I literally go then THE ENTIRE RUN UNTIL THE END OF ELYSIUM WHERE I AM NOW witho...
btw if you fill your other core slots (attack, special, cast, and dash) you have a higher chance of being offered a call
lavish trail
i did
random relic
if you have all 4 filled its 90%
plain river
so i was counting on smair with aph aid
Why aphrodite aid?
random relic
then i have absolutely no idea how that happened
plain river
then i have absolutely no idea how that happened
Bad rng
lavish trail
Smair with aph aid kinda odd choice
I like zeus aid with melee but interrupting dad attacks with smair is free win
esp with low HP from guan yu
lavish trail
that's how i like it anyway
zeus aid is def better for tunnels but I have an easy pact anyway
plain river
yeah but even seeing 3 boon screens after that its like a 0.1% chance
Obviously it’s a 50:50 chance each time, either you get it or you don’t /s
lavish trail
yeah I've never rolled this bad for a single boon before
I used 6 rolls too, I got 2 rooms with keys in tar
lol finally got offered zeus aid in the satyr tunnels
plain river
Do you have aphrodite or zeus in shop?
lavish trail
im running in an aph tunnel right now
don't have any rolls left tho so gotta cross my fingers for smair
i got charged skewer anyway so I'm doing 500 dmg a special so I'll be fine either way
450 obol boon was zeus, last second smair before dad fight
strange lark
@random relic not really too much work its just really rare
random relic
<@450317477717475329> not really too much work its just really rare
well yeah but getting it is super pog
it can easily negate like 300+ damage in hades fight alone
iron barn
if you have all 4 filled its 90%
wait really ive never heard of this
plain river
wait really ive never heard of this
The game wants to give you core boons really bad
iron barn
call isnt a core though
random relic
wait maybe call isnt counted in that
proper furnace
it goes in the cores but is not a priority one, iirc thats how cgull describes it
random relic
ah thats right
plain river
its meeeeee
I don’t believe you
random relic
well yeah its a bad time lol the weird thing is no flood flare
strange lark
Flood flare overrated
strange lark
Side hustle gaming
plain river
shackle beo gaming
speaking of shackle
don't have my phone on me
but got my shackle zag run done
will screenshot the victory screen on my switch
soft cargo
are there any good builds using artemis boons? specifically for twin fists
plain river
you can just throw artemis cast on merciful end and try to get the athena/artemis duo
or something like aphrodite attack, artemis special, get heart rend on demeter
turbid needle
are there any good builds using artemis boons? specifically for twin fists
For early game, i used to use Aspect of Demeter and then apply the Artemis Boon on its special. So when the charge on the special ready, the critical would likely to appear more often.
tight basin
Statistically you're guaranteed at least 1 so that's neat lol
Idk if it'd be as much as Athena or Aphrodite when charged unless you get multiple crits in there
random relic
not guaranteed, still a 25% chance you dont get any
young wind
aphrodite aid is worst aid right?
lavish trail
aphrodite aid is worst aid right?
Aphrodite aid is great for boss fights because the charm interrupts attacks. By first EM Hades win was a Smoldering Air Aphrodite fight where I simply stopped every big attack he tried to throw at me
lavish trail
are there any good builds using artemis boons? specifically for twin fists
Twin fists have relatively low dps except for Demeter specials, so they work best with boons that do concrete amounts of damage instead of percentages. On your attack you'll want something like Doom that you can combo with an Athena special to get the Merciful End duo, or Zeus attack with Aphrodite special for Smoldering Air duo. Artemis works really well with the sword though, whether you're putting Exit Wounds on with the aspect of Poseidon (and bonus points if you get the extra gems for your cast) or stacking critical hits with Nemesis
icy gale
am I understanding hangover correctly. 5 damage every half second for 4 seconds is 40 damage - so it effectively adds 40 damage to my special attack?
iron barn
well as far as you can stack
lucid oar
40 damage over 4 seconds, and it stacks
icy gale
and poms which increase by 1 is another 8 damage?
lucid oar
Don’t think of it as 40 damage
lavish trail
What does it even mean when it stacks?
lucid oar
Can stack up to 5
icy gale
then it does 2x 3x or up to 5x
lavish trail
I'm actually curious because I love hangover and I use it especially with Chiron bow
lucid oar
So hitting an enemy 5 times gives it 5 stacks
icy gale
but the older ones wear off
lavish trail
But I have no actual clue how the math works
Okay and what is a stack
What is it stacking?
iron barn
its literally just hangover twice or thrice etc.
icy gale
a stack is another instance of "take 5 damage every 0.5 second for 4 seconds"
lavish trail
Okay so instead of 5, when I stack it 5 times that's 25?
lucid oar
Yes
lavish trail
And it wears off one at a time per strike?
Or per instance or whatever the term would be
lucid oar
Each instance of hangover wears off after 4s
lavish trail
Sorry I don't play rpgs lol all this terminology is pretty new to me
lucid oar
Usually if you keep hitting an enemy with a decently fast attack (fists/rail) it’ll maintain max stacks pretty easily
lavish trail
Yeah, I use hangover with fists and Aphrodite special regularly
icy gale
since if you hit faster than 1x/second
lucid oar
so it's not fully 40 damage per special
Just think of it as a dot, not a flat amount per special
lavish trail
I know how to use it, it's basically just decay that falls off, but I don't know the actual math or logic behind it and my brain is not computing it
icy gale
Just think of it as a dot, not a flat amount per special
how would you go about comparing it to zeus on special?
icy gale
but you'd have to be able to say one was better?
like if it were 1 damage/0.5 second, you'd definitely say the flat 25 damage was better
random relic
i mean its like what 6/0.5s on epic?
i like zeus better anyway but for different reasons than straight damage
its easier to kill smaller enemies (e.g. numbskulls) with zeus special than with dio special
and importantly, if you use aphro attack its easy access to smair
most of your damage on large enemies should be coming from your attack anyway
lucid oar
With no other boons, poms, and both common, then Dionysus is usually better
random relic
like almost all of it
lucid oar
However the chance that you’ll finish a run like that is practically zero
proper furnace
@past zinc slicing shot + attack/special/dash/call from arte
If you have the codex upgrade you can check in the middle of a boon screen
past zinc
ah ok
icy gale
zeus t2s and smair make zeus special a lot more appealing
what is special about smoldering air?
and how does zeus special on rama interact with damage control 2?
I know one arrow gets absorbed, but will it absorb 2nd arrow or bolt?
random relic
what is special about smoldering air?
its an amazing duo boon
you want to do small calls anyway and charging that super fast is amazing
if you add on billowing strength (zeus boon) its like 30% global damage with constant uptime
twin cloak
Swind is pretty good too if you can get to it
random relic
yeah second wind is good but it also blocks you out of other hermes like rd
iron barn
does chain shot + twin shot make both shots bounce
plain river
Presumably
random relic
yes, it does
anyway @dreamy prism i have like 3 50s and 4 sub 7s and you have 7 50s and 0
your 50 heat/sub 7 ratio is like infinitely higher than mine
try speedrunning for like 3 hours lmao
youll get it i promise
dreamy prism
ugh fine
random relic
listen to a podcast while you do it if you want
dreamy prism
speedrunning feels worse than high heat for me
I hate how dependent it is on room rng
but I'll try my best
strange lark
i mean thats also high heat
dreamy prism
hey didn't you get 15s c34
random relic
and yeah high heat needs patty to win
random relic
hey didn't you get 15s c34
shhhh
valid dagger
15s c34 isnt even bad
dreamy prism
I once skipped c34 and it killed me because I couldn't reset SD
valid dagger
c27 c28 silent run killers 🗿
random relic
true
dreamy prism
sounds like you didn't pray enough for armored splitters
strange lark
27 and 28 are actually worse than 34
random relic
unless youre that one magnil clip
rich shard
any tip on how to git gud with arthur blade? i used it for a 24heat run and while i managed to win, it still feels so clunky and slow to me (also has +20% speed to enemies). the only viable build I've seen for that aspect is athena attack where i just deflect all projectiles coming my way
but even then, it's not easy to just sit in the middle of the circle waiting for foes to come to me
strange lark
for arthur you wanna start aphro attack
strange lark
you go to a big group of enemies and then place it down
and to deal with the clunk you wanna dash before you attack
random relic
if you have to go outside of the aura its fine
strange lark
yeah you dont always have to be in the aura
rich shard
what if the enemies are speedy bois and spread all over the place 🤔
random relic
and yeah arthurs frame data is so bad you can dash in between attacks and keep the combo
iron barn
am i understanding correctly that demeter charged dash upper does 40 damage 6 times and normal charged upper does 30 damage 7 times
iron barn
ok
dense basin
rich shard
Avoid dash-strikes except on weak baddies that you can one-hit so you can get to the big swings faster.
that's really counterintuitive to how i usually play the blade! but makes sense since i keep being hit mid swings
random relic
only for arthur though, none of the other swords
iron barn
does life affirmation affect shop hearts
proper furnace
Pretty sure it doesnt
iron barn
oh i didnt notice it said that
iron barn
isnt explosive upper the same?
not base damage
iron barn
Takes a while to charge
not really
plain river
is kinetic launcher/demeter good?
Your mega-special become 300 bases with kinetic launcher versus 210 base I believe
I can’t spell
or words
tight basin
isnt explosive upper the same?
technically no because flying upper uses your standing special damage, explosive uses your dash upper damage
but dash upper is much easier to execute than holding down a standing upper
strange lark
And it only works for standing upper
this @iron barn
lucid oar
Explosive upper is way better
lavish trail
yeah and I put artemis on it with 20% crit for guaranteed crit once per super special
well not exactly guaranteed
but average
i was going for a ME build and accidentally ended up with hunting blades build oops
tight basin
as one does lmao
lavish trail
not as good a hunting blades build as if I had achilles spear or something but oh well it'll have to do, i'll just pom the hell out of the blades
strange lark
how
plain river
yeah and I put artemis on it with 20% crit for guaranteed crit once per super sp...
Kinetic launcher yes or no?
lavish trail
RNG just decided to give me no Athena in tart and HB was sitting right there so I took it
lavish trail
Kinetic launcher yes or no?
yep I have kinetic launcher on
plain river
if you have kinetic launcher and artemis special you have a 73% chance to crit at least once on your gigaspecial
lavish trail
yeah, it's been crushing
plain river
6 hits with 20% crit is going to crit at least once ~73% of the time
tight basin
my mind cannot handle statistics like that lmao i just see "oh 20% that's 1/5 and the charge hits at least 5 times so that's basically at least 1 guaranteed"
plain river
my mind cannot handle statistics like that lmao i just see "oh 20% that's 1/5 an...
I mean we bump that up to 7 times if you don’t have kinetic launcher and it’s about a 79% chance to crit at least once
tight basin
heehoo monkey brain dont like numbers
strange lark
I mean we bump that up to 7 times if you don’t have kinetic launcher and it’s ab...
its 50%, you either crit or you dont
plain river
~~its 50%, you either crit or you dont~~
tight basin
now that's a statistic i can get behind
plain river
Just like it’s definitely a 50:50 whether or not I hit tidal dash or even posiedon at all on my shackle runs
Definitely
Idk the real numbers
lavish trail
does vicious cycle work with hunting blades?
strange lark
yeah i think so
lavish trail
and I haven't been wasting an ares boon every single time >?
random relic
does vicious cycle work with hunting blades?
it does +1 instead of +2
but otherwise yeah
tight basin
doesnt work on dash but works properly on the call which is doodoo
tight basin
oh i thought i remember someone saying it didn't work on something
strange lark
ares has a call?
tight basin
i think so yeah
lavish trail
yeah it turns you into a blade rift
tight basin
haven't seen anyone use it so it probably doesn't exist tho
lavish trail
That thing was my crutch when I was new
random relic
yeah it turns you into a blade rift
dont think that exists
lavish trail
that and poseidon call
strange lark
ares call is just bad athena call
lavish trail
invulnerability? that's a yes please when I'm a noob
tight basin
the invincibility calls aren't bad when starting out tbh it gives you a good "oh crap" button to use
random relic
good on triple rama
tight basin
gives you a bit of time to regroup if you have to i guess
random relic
but who plays triple rama
plain river
does vicious cycle work with hunting blades?
Vicious cycle works normally on call but only +1 on cast and dash
lavish trail
bro
youre not gonna believe this
demeter run
I get 4 boons in tartarus
doom on attack, athena on special, athena on dash, merciful end
1-2-3-4
strange lark
youre right i dont believe it
lavish trail
I am heading into the furies fight
I have underworld customs on
Feels incredibly bad
plain river
I can believe that
plain river
I have underworld customs on
Hope to say bye bye to special then
lavish trail
obviously i purge the special and then just put on athena keepsake and get it right back
lavish trail
Or will just the dash be enough and I get a different special?
plain river
Dash is enough
lavish trail
do I need athena on dash AND special for ideal ME?
So what, throw Art on special then?
sorry
aph
strange lark
wait can you get deadly DR from artemis cast and athena dash
or do you need the special for that
plain river
you need athena special for athena/arte duo
plain river
Force artemis for cast then hope to pick up athena flourish again before ely, if no find athena flourish force athena yeah
20% crit ME 
random relic
doom on attack, athena on special, athena on dash, merciful end
ive gotten mirage with 3 poms hyper sprint and ddash out of tart before lol
pace was bad though
plain river
my mind cannot handle statistics like that lmao i just see "oh 20% that's 1/5 an...
And something like relentless volley chiron hitting 12 times with artemis flourish has a ~93% chance to crit at least once
lavish trail
art cast acquired and Athena special immediately re-acquired
plain river
nice
tight basin
And something like relentless volley chiron hitting 12 times with artemis flouri...
ew
random relic
the near constant crit sounds is the only thing that makes chiron bearable
plain river
Sweet
dreamy prism
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/934491553437737050/Scr...
nice cheat engine
plain river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/934491553437737050/Scr...
Nice titans blood #
strange lark
i now have 69 ambrosia too
fresh rover
is aspect of demeter worth? 🤔 it doesn't seem that good to me from just a glance cuz 1 extra special doesn't seem like a lot ...
random relic
nice cheat engine
also hows the sub7 grinding going
strange lark
is aspect of demeter worth? 🤔 it doesn't seem that good to me from just a glanc...
upgrade it then its worth
random relic
I was gonna do 53 heat in a few hours instead
well as long as youre pushing some pb
dreamy prism
heat > speedrun
fresh rover
upgrade it then its worth
but it costs so much titan's blood D: i'm a poor noob atm
dreamy prism
unironically at low levels you're better off with zagreus fists
cheap to max out and decent effect
random relic
heat > speedrun
disagree
dreamy prism
and you're not pushing the clock so survivability instead of big special is fine
fresh rover
o i have 1 in aspect of talos right now and i pref that over zag
fresh rover
o how come? i like that i can do less work by dragging enemies to me LOL
fading nymph
Slander
dreamy prism
based
random relic
and the extra damage isnt really worth it
dreamy prism
o how come? i like that i can do less work by dragging enemies to me LOL
fists has enough mobility, just run up to stuff
random relic
and you dont need to pull things, you can just dash over to them
fading nymph
The magnet is good* if you know how to use it
random relic
zag fists 15% dodge chance is actually pretty good
random relic
The magnet is good* if you know how to use it
then why is it slower than zag fists
fading nymph
Why is it faster than Zeus shield
random relic
and why does it have less sub6s
strange lark
Why is it faster than Zeus shield
because zeus shield sucks
random relic
Why is it faster than Zeus shield
because zeus shield is bad at speedrunning
fading nymph
Where Zeus sub6
dreamy prism
the zeus shield speedrun uses a flourish boon
strange lark
zeus is the most garbage aspect in the game
random relic
i already answered your question
dreamy prism
hence it's bad
dreamy prism
no zeus <<< talos
dreamy prism
zeus is the most garbage aspect in the game
you're the most garbage aspect in the game
strange lark
also where would gilga be without cherry lol
no magnil has a sub 7 with it i think
fresh rover
what's the best aspect?
fading nymph
Yeah magnil has the only unmodded sub7 pretty sure
strange lark
what's the best aspect?
beowulf
fresh rover
is that hidden? don't have any hidden ones yet
fading nymph
Yes
fresh rover
ok best nonhidden one?
strange lark
also where would gilga be without cherry lol
tight basin
flourishless zeus shield
random relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1005280992413622273/un...
oh wow
suprised that it has that many sub7s
tight basin
best nonhidden honestly could be zag shield lmao
random relic
nah
strange lark
ok best nonhidden one?
anyways there is no best aspect in the game
random relic
besides beo eris is definitely best overall
tight basin
safe, very good, relatively easy build to get
dreamy prism
eris and shields is apples and oranges imo
tight basin
oh i forgot eris existed
random relic
beo eris and hestia are the only 3 aspects that are good at speed and heat
dreamy prism
the thing about zshield is that unmodded it's no bueno
strange lark
beo eris and hestia are the only 3 aspects that are good at speed and heat
guan yu
dreamy prism
no cshot zshield is kinda big joke so
tight basin
true
dreamy prism
guan *ME
strange lark
guan yu actually good for speed and heat tho
random relic
???
strange lark
i think angel tried 60 heat guan yu tho
dreamy prism
gy built different
strange lark
still good
random relic
yeah gy is 12th for aspect wrs atm
so average for speed
slightly higher than average (maybe) for heat
wouldnt exactly call it a good aspect overall
strange lark
it is a good aspect tho lmao
random relic
i mean overall its like probably #7 or smth around there
random relic
yeah but its none of the aforementioned aspects
lavish trail
i checked pinned to make sure I'm not asking a question that has been answered already but what's a good strategy/build for beowulf? I gotta learn this thing eventually, people love it and I don't know it at all
tight basin
flood flare and get mirage shot, preferably with artemis atk
tight basin
or that
iron barn
i checked pinned to make sure I'm not asking a question that has been answered a...
passion flare and festive fog are super easy too
also not everyone is a speedrunner bruh
tight basin
also not everyone is a speedrunner bruh
also speedrun builds are good to look at because they're used for a reason - big damage, very fast
iron barn
that's very high roll
not really? its a single chaos boon really
plain river
I mean
iron barn
and its fun
strange lark
also not everyone is a speedrunner bruh
its still good
plain river
What’s good for speedrunners is also good in casual play
strange lark
general gameplay tips are good i think
tight basin
not really? its a single chaos boon really
one out of how many possible chaos boons?
tight basin
even if you roll chaos or wells it's not guaranteed
strange lark
legit telling us to get the boon
lavish trail
okay so I'
i'm gonna go art attack and pos cast and go for mirage shot
is art dash good since the attack pattern involves dash striking so much>
plain river
?
strange lark
not really
plain river
Beo does cast spam
strange lark
you dont dash strike for the damage
plain river
Not dash strie
strange lark
Beo does cast spam
you use dash strike to charge bullrush
strange lark
yeah
soft kiln
holy crap nemesis run c1 double edge c2 epic maimed lunge
plain river
Fun
lucid oar
hunter dash still fills a core tho
soft kiln
should i take common heartbreak strike or wait for a better on
soft kiln
120% dash strike damage
lucid oar
id force artemis in ashpho
holy crap
yeah def force arty
thats gonna be an insane amount of damage
plain river
so increases mirage chances
Mirage can’t use hunter dash I believe
plain river
120% dash strike damage
Sweet
soft kiln
so aphro special arty attack?
lucid oar
filling cores increases chance of seeing a duo
plain river
so aphro special arty attack?
Yeah
lucid oar
even if hunter dash doesnt unlock the duo
plain river
filling cores increases chance of seeing a duo
Oh wait I’m stoopid
soft kiln
i kinda though aphro attack would be better since i already have crit from nemesis but i guess 50% crit is more important than more attack damage
lucid oar
any time crit is involved, more crit is always amazing