h1-discussion

[shy galleon]

ty

[silent gate]

is demeter cast any good

or her dash

[pastel monolith]

try everything , dont be discouraged by dying.. have fun

dash no cast can be

[silent gate]

alright

[mint coral]

Dem doesnt have a dash

[pastel monolith]

dash can be ok for privileged status.. cast is good if u get the srtemis duo crystal clarity

what do u guys think is the worst cast in the game? they are all pretty good in their own way but idk.. maybe artemis?

aphros is too short range but its powerful

dio is awkward too but big damage

zeus is kinda weak but its good for clearing small enemies

demeters is cool but not rly effective most of the time without clarity

[tall holly]

yeah crystal clarity is essential for any build with dem cast

arty is good

[pastel monolith]

same with ares cast.. u need hunting blades

[tall holly]

i like arty cast

whenever i do achilles hunting blades build i never get hunting blades lol

[pastel monolith]

prety much all casts require extra booons to rly make them good

[mint coral]

Dem, while it can be good i dont like the highrolling of it

Trippy flare beo is similar but the base dmg of a sad build still being aight lol

[tall holly]

oh yeah i beat 12 heat with beo trippy flare

[pastel monolith]

its so satisfying when a cast build really comes together

[tall holly]

its even more satisfying when you beat the game zeus dash only

double strike and jolted

[pastel monolith]

haha yesss and the legendary if ur lucky

so many bolts

[tall holly]

i never get it

[pastel monolith]

throw in lighting reflexes too

[tall holly]

still working on maxing out god's legacy

yeah didn't get reflex

[pastel monolith]

i tried a reflex only run it sidnt rly work.. some enemies cant proc it

[tall holly]

i was hoping for zeus dem duo

cold fusion is really op against dad

[mint coral]

Cold fusion barely does anything if you have zeus dash tho

You re apply jolted so quick

[tall holly]

its 10 seconds

and im spamming dash

[pastel monolith]

when attempting my reflexes only run tho i learned how great it cN be just dash near projectiles

[tall holly]

but sometimes i gotta head out

he yeets a cast

takes damage

stabs

takes damage

my jolted was at lvl. 5 too lol

[pastel monolith]

nice

[tall holly]

now i just need a spear and fists clear

and i'm good with all the weapons

[pastel monolith]

achiles spear is easiest imo

works great for cast builds

[tall holly]

i can never get a clear with it

working on hunting blades

or i can just go with zeus dash and suffer a bit more

especially in tart you suffer the most

[signal aspen]

zeus dash isnt that good unless you get every zeus boon in the game

[tall holly]

which is why i did it

[pastel monolith]

haha ya its good with sword

since ur dashing non stop and close range

[signal aspen]

nah zeus dash makes sword bugged

[pastel monolith]

how so

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/985204605799510096/unknown.png

https://youtu.be/0-QqarqzzRo

[pastel monolith]

oh weird i never noticed that

but good to know

im always learning something new in hades

even after like 700 hrs of gameplay and watching a thousand videos

[signal aspen]

even if it wasnt bugged you would much rather have artemis dash, poseidon dash, or athena dash for ME

[pastel monolith]

ya

[tall holly]

also whats a good rama build

[pastel monolith]

zeus on special and more zeus

[signal aspen]

aphro or artemis attack, zeus, dio, or ares special, artemis dash

[pastel monolith]

or maybe doom or hangover on special

[signal aspen]

yeah you could just do zeus special spam if you have a hard time playing rama normally

[tall holly]

aight thanks

[pastel monolith]

artemis attack prety much best for any bow.. aphro too

[tall holly]

yep

lightning rod

and greater recall

lol

i accidently did that once

[signal aspen]

nice

[pastel monolith]

rod is so fun

when i was a newer player i did a lot of zeus spam rama runs

[tall holly]

just link everything together with SS and power shot kill everything

what is max rama SS %?

[pastel monolith]

any time u can get a doom special that hits multiple enemies is good

whats ss

[tall holly]

shared sufferning

[signal aspen]

60%

[tall holly]

that's nice

power shot base does 175 i think

60% is 105 i think

[pastel monolith]

not too shabby

i tend to do dash strikes only for bow attack

[tall holly]

i never use bow dash strikes lol

[signal aspen]

thats bad

[tall holly]

i know

its a bad habit

[signal aspen]

[tall holly]

i play too much nba 2k thats why

[signal aspen]

hmm yes

[tall holly]

only 2k players will understand that

[mental vale]

where did you get this? is there a google doc with all known bugs or smthn

[signal aspen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit?usp=sharing

[warm nimbus]

well... yes, actually

there it is

[mental vale]

thanks

oh geez vicious cycle just,,, doesnt work

[warm nimbus]

lmao yep

[gray apex]

[lean timber]

epic

[acoustic bolt]

aspect of demeter fists with dio attack and cast and artemis special

i have privaledged status equipped right now

do i buy this demeter and take the dash or force aphro in asphodel

[signal aspen]

force aphro

[acoustic bolt]

works for me

[mellow slate]

when should i stop trading ambrosia for titan blood?

[latent moon]

when you need to use your ambrosia for companion upgrades and bonds

if you have all that done then there's nothing else needed with ambrosia other than the resource director but that's not important

[mellow slate]

also i forget how do you get ambrosia aside from bounties

just fated list and broker?

[void vigil]

pretty much

[mental vale]

rod of fishing

[patent mesa]

what's the better rod

lightning rod
rod of fishing

[rustic vale]

Got that +5% attack damage from bouldy on a hestia shackle run 💪💪💪

Which blue laurel gives rerolls again?

I need to reroll away the attacks and whatnot

[mental vale]

keys

[wicked tendon]

Just go to YouTube dude

Steam reviews then

[rustic vale]

I mean

Huh

[patent mesa]

this game lets you sweat your ass off and also be gay

good game

[warm nimbus]

this game is a 2/10 tbh. i totally dont like it at all and i definitely dont enjoy playing it. highly recommend

[signal aspen]

Solid 10/10, hated every part of it

[latent moon]

10/10 would not play again

Highly recommend tho

[warm nimbus]

did they delete their messages lmao

[latent moon]

apparently lmao

[mental vale]

wait how do the athena defiance boons affect sd

[patent mesa]

if a DD slot is open (mainly from losing the SD during the encounter) athena will fill the slot

[mental vale]

so its useless basically

[patent mesa]

then SD will reactivate and will be used first

[mental vale]

oh wait

sd goes on top of the slot?

[patent mesa]

hence it's as strong as getting athena on DD

yes

[latent moon]

you get a DD and an SD as long as you have an SD slot open

[mental vale]

neat

[mint coral]

You still get theextra effects of those refill boons on sd too

So extra healing/invulnerable time

[acoustic bolt]

i'm on aspect of chiron with poseidon special with only dad left

do i take epic razor shoals or breaking wave? since poseidon special does actually manage to push bosses

i'm not clear on how strong razor shoals actually is

[mint coral]

Shoals, dad moves a lot so you rarely will proc it

[rustic vale]

Razor shoals 💪💪💪

[mint coral]

And shoals is pretty nice anyways too

[acoustic bolt]

damn i already took wave lol

so shoals does good damage?

[mint coral]

Yuo

[rustic vale]

Privledged status + good damage= very cool

[mint coral]

There is barely enemies that dont move

[rustic vale]

I like shoals

[mint coral]

Shoals kinda hangover

[rustic vale]

Shoals kinda better hangover

Gets provoked 15 times I think

In a shorter period of time

scales really well with rarity

[acoustic bolt]

does each special hit that pushes cause more damage from it?

cause oh ok wow

[rustic vale]

uh

No

Razor shoals doesn’t stack

hangover does

2 different things

[mint coral]

I think they mean if knockback makes enemies take shoals dmg?

[rustic vale]

uh

No clue

because my brain is dying

[mint coral]

Iirc talos pull does so i dont see why not

[rustic vale]

Talos pull proks shoals?

I wouldn’t know

I never use talos

[signal aspen]

it does

[acoustic bolt]

lol what

|| he just let me go ||

[signal aspen]

yeah he does that

[mint coral]

Enjoy

[acoustic bolt]

|| "So I just battle to the surface and repeatedly kill my own father, then?" rofl i love that this game gives you a story reason for it to be a roguelike and then a reason to continue even after you win. amazing. ||

[viscid snow]

If you take one duo boon can you still get another?

[rustic vale]

Yes

I’ve had games with like 5 duos before

[celest shell]

Unfun fact: it's harder to play Hades when you have COVID.

[acoustic bolt]

i had it last august was the worst. for like 10 days whenever i thought i had energy to do anything i'd get on my computer and 20 minutes later have to go pass out again

[celest shell]

I just have cold symptoms but they suuuuuck

[raw acorn]

Is there any benefit from paying for the shade in hades chamber ?

[rustic vale]

You get a fancy title

😎

[marble niche]

hello i have a problem

[raw acorn]

Does it make any difference in game or dialogues?

[rustic vale]

Fairly certain it doesn’t

[rustic vale]

Yup?

[marble niche]

nop

[mint coral]

iirc there is a dialogue for the last rank

but just treat it as a resource sink

[marble niche]

with the game launcher

[raw acorn]

Thx guys

[marble niche]

When I start the game and I get the loading screen it says I have a bug/problem

how is it solved?

[mint coral]

have you checked #h1-tech-fixes? if anything from there doesnt help prob ask in #h1-tech-support

[marble niche]

ok thank you

[lean timber]

just got my hundredth clear. with rama of course

[lean timber]

POWER COUPLE IS REAL

you guys didn't tell me that

i thought that was a community name

[acoustic bolt]

wow this run hates me lol

aspect of chiron: demeter attack, dio special, poseidon dash and now i'm getting an ares room

none of these were choices

[rustic vale]

I mean

Atleast you have dio special

[lean timber]

you can make that work

in fact i am doing nearly the same run right now

[rustic vale]

And poseidon dash is good what are you on about

[acoustic bolt]

i purged frost strike and put on an aphrodite keepsake in hopes of making that happen

[lean timber]

good idea

[rustic vale]

Good idea

[acoustic bolt]

i didn't say poseidon dash is bad. it's more that the 4 god "slots" got filled and i didn't even have the choice to just go to a different room

so that was annoying :p

[rustic vale]

also ares is good with dio special

Get curse of vengeance or if that’s not what it is called, I mean whatever the one is that makes it inflict doom around you when you get hit

[acoustic bolt]

yeah that's the plan

just got offered 70% special damage but the next 4 chamber rewards are hidden

[rustic vale]

That’s usable

but

Very very painful to tae

[acoustic bolt]

i need that aphro boon :p

[rustic vale]

What were your other options?

and what hammer(s) do you have

[acoustic bolt]

+1 cast

and +65% gold for more foes for the next 3 rooms

so i'm just gonna take the gold

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[acoustic bolt]

triple shot >.>

[rustic vale]

Losing control of what you pick up for 4 rooms is really painful

[lost ermine]

wdym just get good luck lmao

[rustic vale]

🧠

Never thought about that

[lost ermine]

still freer than inferno bombs curse

(i'm a sword main so i am very biased)

[rustic vale]

sword main 💪💪💪

But the real question is

Which sword 🤨

[lost ermine]

nem

[rustic vale]

Arthur best sword

[lost ermine]

critical toothpick speedrunners when asphodel exists: 😭

ptsd from chasing slam dancers and wavebreakers across the entire room

i remember once i wasted like 10 seconds trying to kill this 1 slam dancer who keeps jumping as soon as i dash strike

fo2 moment

[rustic vale]

Much sad

Speedrunning pains I can’t relate to yet

[acoustic bolt]

epic broken resolve or reroll for duo

hmm

[warm nimbus]

which one is broken resolve?

[acoustic bolt]

15% more effective weak

[warm nimbus]

reroll

[acoustic bolt]

36% bonus life gain or 13% reduced damage lol

brutal

[warm nimbus]

rip

[latent moon]

the bonus life gain makes you get more hp for hearts right

[warm nimbus]

yes

[acoustic bolt]

yeah it's ok

[warm nimbus]

doesnt really matter which you choose

theyre both ok

[latent moon]

the 36% bonus thing can't be pommed i think so i'd take that

[warm nimbus]

oh i forgot about poms

yeah take unpommables when its a toss up

[acoustic bolt]

huh didn't think about that thanks

got a dio boon next room and rerolled into a duo but it's the poseidon one

which is like good but not what i was looking for :p

[latent moon]

that makes minimum boon rarity epic right

that's not bad if it's still somewhat early in the run

[acoustic bolt]

yeah

middleish of asphodel

[latent moon]

i dont think it increases the odds of getting a duo but it's still nice lol

and if you take it you'll guarantee seeing the correct duo next time

or lower the chances at least since there's still aprho-pos duo

but increased pom power is still good anyways lol

[acoustic bolt]

i have this weird choice of life gain room vs demeter/aphro room at 13 health

screw it i'll die

[latent moon]

lmao

chiron is a relatively safe aspect to begin with so you should be fine even if you lose a dd

just take aphro

demeter call in trials are super hard to deal with

[acoustic bolt]

don't i want to take demeter if demeter is hard?

so that i'm fighting the easier one?

or did i misunderstand

[latent moon]

oh

yeah take demter mb

oh wait i just remembered

you can't get duos from trials lmfao

well

at least you'll get an epic aphrodite boon lol

[acoustic bolt]

got nourished soul from demeter

just heal 41 health

XD

thanks grandma

[acoustic bolt]

omg i just died because i failed to land the last hit on theseus for half a greater poseidon call

i swear that fight is harder than dad

because his shield is annoying

[latent moon]

iirc greater calls are generally never worth it?

[acoustic bolt]

no?

for this one here at least i had the hermes boon that makes it charge super fast so i sort of incidentally had it

[latent moon]

can someone explain the reasoning for not using greater calls because i remember seeing it here somewhere but forgot the reasoning

because i specifically remember seeing that artemis is the only one where it's worth it

[thorny bolt]

So when exactly can I start giving thanatos ambrosia? I've had the max amount of normal hearts for a while now

[rustic vale]

First thing that comes to mind is damage sooner= more better

[acoustic bolt]

is that really relevant in a boss fight?

like as long as it's not overkill

[rustic vale]

Plus things like pos call is free invulenerability during the fight

If you aren’t just saving it up for max but instead using it liberally

[lean timber]

people are either "no greater call" or "only greater call" usually. personally i think artemis call is great short term too. but they're all different. i think it's worth it to save sometimes, especially if you have quick favor and such

[acoustic bolt]

as an aside is there a list of heat negatives in order of difficulty or something

[rustic vale]

Uh

[acoustic bolt]

fwiw i used call a lot in elysium just to clear scary packs and kill orb dudes without getting murdered

[rustic vale]

There is a guide somewhere

For heat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/990893795904204840/unknown.png

Found it

[rustic vale]

Yes

[acoustic bolt]

thanks 😄

woah extreme measures

but i'm bad and scared

[rustic vale]

Extreme measures is practically free heat unless you’re bad at boss fights tbh

uhhh

That was an exaggeration

Here

uhh

3 and 4 are less free

way less free

Almost perhaps not free

Well

[acoustic bolt]

i don't really have trouble on boss fights anymore

[rustic vale]

3 is kinda free

[acoustic bolt]

although i did die to hades 2 of my last 3 runs so there's that

[rustic vale]

Well

Extreme measures 1 only changes furies, 2 changes lernie etcetera

so it’s not changing your hades fight

65 heat ez is typing…

I want other peoples insight since I don’t trust myself helping here

[warm nimbus]

in rooms its because you generally never are able to charge your call fully anyway, so you just use small calls. for cases like dio or dem, you use small calls bc the big calls are really just not much better bc the small calls do the exact same thing as big ones, but for other calls in boss fights its mainly just so you can have more damage sooner. some calls (like poseidon) you do want greater calls on because theres more potential for damage and its easier to get

iirc there are a few small calls which are literally just straight up better numbers wise than greater calls

[latent moon]

i see

[rustic vale]

So poseidon is charge up for full🤔

[warm nimbus]

i think so?

[rustic vale]

but hey more damage sooner, I was right with my thinking

[latent moon]

ngl my gripe with this is that em3 is so early, which i guess isn't bad to get used to but at the same time you can take easier pacts and not even consider em3 until like 16 heat

[rustic vale]

Hmm

Em3 kinda free though

[warm nimbus]

also arty and aphro call should only be used greater call

otherwuse only useful for iframes

[rustic vale]

Just don’t use big call when right about to hit a period of vulnerability

[latent moon]

i mean for some yeah but considering you pick it up at 6 heat according to the list, it's a pretty large jump in difficulty
like i said, i guess it is better to learn it before you stack up the pacts but there are easier options for 6 heat

might just be me tho considering i always play with fo2 for 6 heat but idk

em3 isnt the easiest thing

[warm nimbus]

also another reason to use small calls is that bosses can go out of range while a greater call is already going

which just completely wastes it

[rustic vale]

Imagine if 10 heat on the guide was em4

[latent moon]

lmao

"just git gud it's a free 10 heat"

[latent moon]

not me saving for dem greater call and hades just noping to the opposite side of the map

[warm nimbus]

1 heat: lc1
2 heat:ri1
3 heat: ri1 lc1
...
12 heat: ri4 lc4, pretty free

[rustic vale]

uhhh

Dc64 is super free

[latent moon]

based

[warm nimbus]

ugh i cant fall asleep

[rustic vale]

Based

[latent moon]

do a dc100 run

[warm nimbus]

no, not based

[warm nimbus]

i dont have access to my computer atm

[latent moon]

imagine yourself doing a dc100 run

[rustic vale]

🤨

I dunno man

Pretty based to me

[warm nimbus]

what, you like not being able to fall asleep?

[short glen]

Insomnia is cringe

[onyx linden]

Hypnos should have a pillow

Standing sleeping isnt nice

[short glen]

Dw he gets one

[south mountain]

I would say that with most calls you use small calls

because of invulnerability phases on bosses

artemis, aphrodite are the exception for me (although aphrodite is also fine as just a taunt)

[chrome wharf]

Artemis lesser call can put in a good amount of work too

[south mountain]

in rooms, for sure

for bosses I like saving it up to skip most of or an entire phase

[warm nimbus]

good morning

[lean timber]

goomornin

[mint coral]

I've never used pos full call lol

Il rsther just get the double tap then back to using my weapon

[lone kernel]

Rip current and Poseidon call

[mint coral]

Add smair

[rustic vale]

Pos call w/ smair and sea storm

[mint coral]

Now add rush delivery

Jk that only works for the first hit

[rustic vale]

Really?

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/868578631293763644/Screenshot_365.png

imagine this tho

insane damage

[mint coral]

Well the move speed bonus goes away fast so yeah

It prob will work if you have ichors/greater haste

[acoustic bolt]

i donno if amped up lernie was exactly free

that was significantly harder

[rustic vale]

Uh

like em2?

[acoustic bolt]

yeah

[rustic vale]

where the only change is that the arena changes unless there is a slight change in how the fight works that I don’t know about

[acoustic bolt]

hey frost, you know how i've suggested you were calling me stupid in previous conversations

i think it's because you start every response with "uh"

just for reference :p

but yes that slight change made the fight a lot harder for me

[rustic vale]

oh

I’m sorry

I commonly use uh a lot

It’s a really really bad habit

sorry

I’ve been trying to work it out of my system

[acoustic bolt]

it's ok. i'm starting to understand it's just habit and doesn't mean anything, but someone who walks in on their first day might still think it's rude

just wanted to let you know

[rustic vale]

Along with starting conversations with “I mean” and other unneccesary phrases

Also

Just fyi

I just saw the victory you put in victory boasting, and I just want to let you know that zeus boons have internal cooldowns that make it so they don’t get provoked as many times as you think they do on aspects like chiron special

[acoustic bolt]

yeah it's only like twice per volley right?

[mint coral]

Last phase lernie stops being "chained" and can move to the other isles easier

[rustic vale]

Understandable

[acoustic bolt]

it still felt powerful once i got the other zeus buffs. is that not the case? the only other chiron build i've consistently put together was dio something

[rustic vale]

Uh

[acoustic bolt]

lol

[rustic vale]

Ahhhp

Sorry

[acoustic bolt]

XD

[mint coral]

Is aight with extra zeus boons but still wouldnt use it personally

[rustic vale]

artemis and dionysus special work really well on chiron tbh

[acoustic bolt]

like aphro attack artemis special?

[rustic vale]

both builds you force aphrodite attack in asphodel

[mint coral]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Yes

[signal aspen]

could also do poseidon special with any zeus core boon for sea storm

[rustic vale]

Seastorm chiron 🤔

[acoustic bolt]

sea storm will only trigger twice too right

[signal aspen]

yeah

[mint coral]

Is legit

[acoustic bolt]

although i guess you get th eslamming things into walls with poseidon

[signal aspen]

but the % from the special boon is beeg

[mint coral]

Supersoaker but your dmg doesnt depend on all the zeus

[acoustic bolt]

so when is zeus good?

[rustic vale]

zeus shield

Rail

[acoustic bolt]

eris?

[mint coral]

Fists/spear with flurry jab

[acoustic bolt]

not hestia

[mint coral]

Can do zag rail too

[rustic vale]

Imagine running boons on hestia

when you can just run shackle

And call it a day

[mint coral]

But thats called budget zag rail for obvious reqsons

[acoustic bolt]

shackle is the 40% with no boon right

[mint coral]

Also his call is really good so you can slap it in any weapons

[warm nimbus]

shackle is 50/75/100%

[mint coral]

They either charge call quick already or use aphro for smair

[acoustic bolt]

for real every time i zeus call it misses

it's very frustrating

[warm nimbus]

you have to be pretty close yeah

[acoustic bolt]

i can tell it's so much damage

that is just lost in the either :p

[rustic vale]

100% with no boon, why even take boons when shackle exists /j

[rustic vale]

When maxed

[acoustic bolt]

maybe i'll work on maxing keepsakes once i have the mirror maxed out

[rustic vale]

Uh

Huh

That’s the opposite of how I did it

[acoustic bolt]

keepsakes are easier i guess but i tend to use the same few over and over

mom pom, purse, tooth, whatever god i need

[rustic vale]

I don’t even have mirror maxed yet because I bought the flex theme instead of more rerolls

[acoustic bolt]

the what

[rustic vale]

Uh

25000 darkness for a cool victory screen iirc

maybe it’s 30000

I can’t remember

[signal aspen]

25k

[mint coral]

Once you get all work orders you get themes for your victorh screen

Chaos one is expensive

[rustic vale]

and then after that I went for the funny titles instead of upgrading rerolls

[mint coral]

Wqit you dont have persuasion maxed yet?

[rustic vale]

maybe

[warm nimbus]

wt

[mint coral]

[warm nimbus]

why

indeed

[rustic vale]

Cuz funny theme and funny title

I know

[mint coral]

Fancy title>gaming

[warm nimbus]

maybe a moment

[mint coral]

Nah this is a moment

[rustic vale]

It’s not as as the dude who sold his mirror for the theme

or reset mirror or whatever it’s called

[warm nimbus]

moment

[rustic vale]

Wait why aren’t you 65 heat ez anymore

[warm nimbus]

because im 50 heat suffering

[signal aspen]

when you beat 65 heat but cant beat 50 heat

[warm nimbus]

:(

[rustic vale]

SGG give lernie concentrated volley

He needs it

[mental vale]

why does malphon look so goofy lol

all the other weapons are cool and then,,, big hand

[rustic vale]

are you dissing malphon

[mint coral]

Zag fists looks awful lol

[rustic vale]

I have discount clockets rn

[signal aspen]

yes fists worst weapon

[rustic vale]

Do rockets have slight homing?

[signal aspen]

no

[lean timber]

rockets actually have slight target avoidance on pc. on console they don't

[signal aspen]

they have a what

[gray apex]

That's just your aim

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/EKHL4egN66A

[acoustic bolt]

what is everyones take on golden touch vs deep pockets

[signal aspen]

deep pockets

way better

[mint coral]

Noticed i didnt re install the mod pack and i instantly got barge'd

[rustic vale]

Deep pockets unless I want 60000000 obols with hoarding slash sword but even then

hoarding slash sucks so bad that it doesn’t matter

[acoustic bolt]

i actually expected golden touch

ok cool

[signal aspen]

you never really want to save your obols after a boss fight

you usually buy something from the endshop

[gray apex]

Didnt you miss it

[signal aspen]

oh man i love barge so much i love losing 30 seconds in a speedrun :)))))))

[acoustic bolt]

and it's just chthonic vitality over the other one right? and shadow presence?

[signal aspen]

chthonic vitality yeah

and most builds prefer fiery presence

[rustic vale]

Shadow presence gaming

[mint coral]

Also ultimate shield doesnt proc explosive return multiple times :c

[acoustic bolt]

i just realized how much better hestia is with fiery presence

i'm an idiot

[signal aspen]

why tho

it should

[rustic vale]

dark regen kinda slick though

[mint coral]

Wait it should?

Il blame switch being switch

[signal aspen]

idk i dont use the mod

i just meant it should as in it would be cool if it did

[rustic vale]

Anyways I think the run I just did just proved to me that shackle hestia is the way to go and taking boons is for losers

[signal aspen]

if only there were a better source of healing after a bossfight

maybe like a fountain or something

[rustic vale]

🤔

[mint coral]

Shackle is boring

Turns out ignoring the things that change most the run gets boring

[rustic vale]

I had a lot of fun not picking up core boons aside from blade dash and dio call

it was agony

[signal aspen]

did you have fun with DC2 hestia too?

[rustic vale]

Yes 💪💪💪

Blade dash helped

[signal aspen]

when did you get blade dash

[rustic vale]

Early

Tart I think

[lean timber]

[rustic vale]

Next stupid idea 🤔

What offmeta build should I try next

[lean timber]

zag sword

that's it that's the meme

[rustic vale]

That’s all you had to say

[signal aspen]

zag sword is a really big meme

[lean timber]

zagreus swordius

[rustic vale]

But in all seriousness

[mint coral]

Asterius now

[signal aspen]

did you miss bullman

[lean timber]

nah fr tho thunder dash fists with demeter strike, just get carried by jolted

i love that "build"

[mint coral]

No i already see him at heroes fight each time

[rustic vale]

Oh

I got it

Pos special talos fists

[lean timber]

ping pong

that's meta

[signal aspen]

the meta for talos is to not play it

[rustic vale]

it’s talos wdym it’s meta

those 2 words don’t belong in the same sentence unless said sentence is “talos isn’t meta”

[lean timber]

talos makes me feel bad

[rustic vale]

is there anything else I should pick up for talos with poseidon special?

Any gods in particular

[lean timber]

zeus dash

[rustic vale]

perhaps get seastorm 🤔

[lean timber]

yah

[mint coral]

Zeus attack + jolted so you have boss dmg

[acoustic bolt]

does anyone pick up demeter stuff for the jolt duo?

[mint coral]

Nope

Is fun for em3 mostly

[rustic vale]

Could that be worth in fo2?

dem/zeus duo

[mental vale]

isnt cold fusion useful for like chained attacks

like when asterius does his things

[mint coral]

Most weapons that use zeus + jolted already keep jolted easily without the duo

[rustic vale]

Or is dem/zeus affected by internal cooldowns

[mint coral]

But yeah is useful for theseus on the chariot)asterius going beyblade

More like funny, il still sell it before heroes if uc demands it

[mint coral]

Finally a thing i actually missed, the post credits ending deaths

[rustic vale]

Wdym, ruptured is my boss damage

anyways is there anything I would want from athena on talos pos special

Ngl, talos pull dealing damage kinda makes dc 1 free

[latent moon]

Jolted and ruptured privileged status lmao

[rustic vale]

Well uh

I kinda have a lot of way of provoking ps already

Getting forced to purge my purple bronze skin

[latent moon]

rip

[high island]

Malphon pretty much always wants Divine Dash. Phalanx Shot is also great.

[rustic vale]

Stupid build concepts aside from using zag sword are currently being collected by me

[latent moon]

curse of longing beo

[rustic vale]

Got phalanx shot, unfortunately didn’t get lighting phalanx

[rustic vale]

That sounds really painful

[latent moon]

i mean you'll have aphrodite cast so it wont be too bad

[rustic vale]

Doom can just be way worse razor shoals I guess

[latent moon]

wait looking at the wiki it says that it isn't compatable with passion flare

[high island]

Cold Fusion is amazing for boss damage especially in high heat where you can't constantly attack the boss to reapply Jolted. Very underrated Duo Boon tbh. Even if you can afford to be aggressive, it usually ends up adding quite a bit of DPS. There's a lot more downtime in attacks that apply Jolted than people think, and there's a lot more ways to apply Jolted than just a fast Attack. Like if you have Zeus' Aid as your Jolted source, Cold Fusion will add a whole lot of damage. Same if it's your Cast.

[high island]

Have you tried any of the Monthly Challenges yet?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[hearty bramble]

i hope we get more hades content at some point ... not necessarily dlc bc i know thats a huge undertaking but like, i dunno... more lore or something, or like companion plushies that so many ppl want haha
An art book perhaps🥺✨
i love the idea of an official comic too, but i know thats also a ton of work

[rustic vale]

Probably not gonna happen tbh

[mental vale]

average cold fusion enjoyer

[hearty bramble]

thinking abt that time hades got a little icon next to its hashtag on twitter and ppl were making fanart of that (not bad or anything i just thought its cute and silly)
and fan art of the nendos too we long for content....

[rustic vale]

Oh outside of ingame content perhaps

[hearty bramble]

yeah !!

Anything sgg pls

[rustic vale]

Chamber 18 and the only pomable boon I have is a lvl 8 arte flourish on chiron

[gray apex]

[rustic vale]

In my defence there is a challenge for getting a boon to level 20 with mom pom and winning the run

In builds

[gray apex]

Would just do Hangover instead

[rustic vale]

I wasn’t gonna force it

Have to carry mom pom whole run

Finger crossed to find dionysus

[lone kernel]

Too late now, next run

Seed scum it

[rustic vale]

A level 11 dio flourish would be really nice right now

[lone kernel]

I think arty hits diminishing returns bad around level 9 or so, while dio flourish never has diminishing returns on poms

[rustic vale]

Uh

Arte hits diminishing returns after like 1-2 poms

[lone kernel]

Meaning 1% boosts

I should have specified

I’m rusty it’s been a minute

[rustic vale]

And lets go no volley hammers run

[lone kernel]

[rustic vale]

Twin flurry shot kinda nice though

[high island]

They've for sure considered things like an art book and stuff. But they've said anything like that always means finding the right partner and at the right time + being realistic about what they can do because any project they add, no matter how small, adds workload. And they're a small team.

[quaint wind]

iirc jen zee said they didn't even really have like character sheets or anything for a lot of stuff. they were just getting everything out so fast. there was a picture of eurydice on twitter, right after she had been added to ea, and jen mentioned something like that in the tweet. it's been a long long while since i've read all that though so take this with a grain of salt.

[hearty stone]

Art book would go hard tho

[mental vale]

they are going to make hades 2 which is actually just a new game with no relation to hades whatsoever

[high island]

Even if they find a good partner they can outsource a lot of the work to, it still requires actually finding them, communication, supervision...

[high island]

2 Bastion 2 Hades

After that.

Bastion Hades: Pyre Drift

[dry acorn]

hadeskart

[hearty bramble]

TY for the info! :'o I don't think I had heard what they said about finding the right merch partners and stuff, that makes sense since they are a small team and all. I'm so curious what they're cooking up rn though 🙈💕

[hearty bramble]

I think I saw that too! But I was looking at like Than's design the other day and I was like... There's no way there's not any like concept sketches or anything, right?! 😭 I dunno! The design is so cool haha, can't fathom making that in one go...! Ms Zee is very powerful though so who knows i guess😳

or if not that itd be really cool imo to read about the design decisions and inspirations I think Jen Zee had tweeted(?) that the chthonic gods' designs were inspired by Egyptian aesthetics

yeah here! https://twitter.com/0jenzee0/status/1317199224526704640

Jen Zee (@0jenzee0)

@Bigrebo @artpaiges @SupergiantGames I'm not familiar with that character so can't speak for that design but the Chthonic designs were meant to have an Egyptian air about them - the collar is evoking an Usekh. https://t.co/yi0y2eWb5N

Twitter · Oct 16, 2020, 8:22 PM

[scenic glade]

I came back to this game after several months and I would just like to say that the Fists are just as bad as I remember

[patent mesa]

lol fists moment

[hard plaza]

Is Hermes's ||favor Require you to have the Max Plume the entire run before you meet him? I've had him maxed but he seems to talk about some other topic||

[mental vale]

salty lol

[mint coral]

just talk to him with the 3* plume, keep in mind dialogue system is somewhat rng

and some dialogues have priority over others so if hermes is involved in other random bit it probably wont choose the hermes favor dialogue

[hard plaza]

Even If I've met requirements?\

[mint coral]

yup

is a common issue specially on characters like Than and Hypnos

[hard plaza]

Like the Orpheus/eurydice dialouge?

[mint coral]

huh not sure on Orpheus-eury

[hard plaza]

Cause I've tried and the times i have he said that he like their works

[mint coral]

but for example Hypnos favor needs certain dialogues from Than but he may just talk about the relationship with Zag

tl;dr just keep trying, it will happen at some point

[hard plaza]

ight, thanks

[mental vale]

Just tried my first elysium erebus gate,,, WHY WAS THERE A BUTTERFLY BALL IN THERE

[raw herald]

Yeah elysium Erebus gates are really tough

I basically never take them

[mental vale]

its fine cause i need red onion in codex 👍

[lean timber]

me justifying losing:

[wide basalt]

Do you unlock heat after beating hades?

[patent mesa]

yeah

[wide basalt]

Damn I've lost 3 runs at hades

Imma keep trying tho

[lean timber]

only 3

i took like 8 or more lol

[buoyant elk]

Well ya'll I did it

After 44 tries I got the queen back

Pretty proud of myself even with all the hiccups I got

[lean timber]

nice

[high island]

For awhile I did a challenge of entering every Infernal Gate I saw in every run. That was actually pretty fun even in Elysium.

[buoyant elk]

Indeed

[high island]

@tough lark I always enjoyed exploring all sorts of builds and developing the meta and I competed in high heat. So there was always something to do. We also challenged each other to silly/difficult runs quite often, which eventually became Peachy Challenges (HeartfulPeach), then Hades Weekly Challenges, and then Hades Monthly Challenges. You can find all the monthly challenges in this spreadsheet if you want to try them. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

[acoustic bolt]

@tough lark You could play with mods that add content

try some apollo runs

[chrome sun]

how many fails and completed runs combined?

[buoyant elk]

...

Well

[chrome sun]

lol

good questing

question

[buoyant elk]

It would be more runs

[tough lark]

Not a bad suggestion, thanks!

[buoyant elk]

But I had to deal with constant crashing from the game

Lost many runs because of that alone

But the last 10ish though I was on a complete streak

[chrome sun]

why would ur game constant crash

pc problems?

[buoyant elk]

No

Xbox player here

[chrome sun]

ahh

fair

[buoyant elk]

And for some reason The game just wouldn't run without an internet connection

[tough lark]

This looks really awesome! Did the participation aspect cool down a bit? It looks like there are no recent runs logged

[buoyant elk]

I lost a lot of progress because of that

It was always around the time I got the Elysium too Weirdly enough

But combined including the streaks I believe it was 13 maybe 12 ish runs total?

I lost count

[high island]

Well, I haven't made any new challenges since January. The challenges that were perceived as more difficult usually had fewer submissions anyway.

[tough lark]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for sharing!

[molten skiff]

Ha de

[hearty bramble]

@tough lark after I got all the achievements I just aimed to basically 100% everything in the game... Complete the codex, get all the bonds, max all companions & aspects, buy out the house contractor, etc

I don't know if I took note of how many hours i had when I got the last achievement though

Looks like took me 24 days from getting the first achievement for what that's worth

[cloud juniper]

Best aspect in the game, go? For me it’s Beowulf!

Especially when you put Dio on the cast and can upgrade it to like lvl 3, it does hell of damage

[tough lark]

Blitz Disc!

[cloud juniper]

I’ve used that once

[tough lark]

I love using Dio's cast

Especially on my melee builds (sword or fists)

[cloud juniper]

I use it for Beowulf and those too.

[tough lark]

Then I get ice wine and spam it

[cloud juniper]

No no the best is ice wine + scintillating feast

Oh yeah

That’s where’s it at.

[tough lark]

Totally

[cloud juniper]

And then you can get mirage shot to have 6 casts

Cuz mirage shot is 2 casts per 1 if that makes sense.

Ares cast is pretty garbage, so is Athena’s

Ares is good only paired with Artemis

In my opinion

[tough lark]

I use Ares for everything

But I don't normally take his cast

[cloud juniper]

I can use him for anything else

[tough lark]

I'll go for the ult

[cloud juniper]

I can go for the special on the shield for him

I like his call, but there’s better ones

[tough lark]

Doom is nice

[mint coral]

Do you know why is dio cast so strong on beo?

The poms values are bugged

[rustic vale]

it's bugged

[mint coral]

They are double of what they show

[cloud juniper]

Well you upgrade it to like level 3 and it does damage

Really?

Wow!

That’s interesting!

I didn’t know that

[rustic vale]

only on beo I think

not hera

[mint coral]

Base cast is 100 dmg
1st pom makes the jump from 100->220

[cloud juniper]

Wow!

I mean I’ll take the bug if it helps me win.

So that bug only applies to Dio on beo?

[mint coral]

Yup

[tough lark]

Demeter's is my fave when you get her stack boon

[mint coral]

Is weird lmao

Like you think is a bug on trippy flarw but hera doesnt have the bug

But is also not a beo bug entirely cuz other casts dont get it

[cloud juniper]

See I haven’t played with Hera

I will eventually and see if I can compare the two.

[mint coral]

Oh have you gotten mirage shot on beo? (Poseidon + artemis duo boon)

[cloud juniper]

I think so

[mint coral]

Is also bugged

[cloud juniper]

Really

For Dionysus too?

[mint coral]

2nd cast doesnt get the dmg reduction if its a flare

On all casts

[cloud juniper]

So the damage is the same for both casts?

Cuz huh that’s interesting!

Even without the Dio bug wouldn’t still be pretty powerful?

[mint coral]

exactly

most speedruns with beo use flood flare

[cloud juniper]

I’ve used that

That’s fun as well

[mint coral]

cuz trippy has more problems than benefits

while flood is half of mirage shot already

[cloud juniper]

Yeah true!

[mint coral]

trippy is still fun af so whatever

[cloud juniper]

So you’re better off going with Posiedon on the cast for beo

[mint coral]

passion is good too

[cloud juniper]

I have to try Zeus on beo!

[mint coral]

ah speaking of zeus cast on beo

mirage shot bug doesnt work there

[cloud juniper]

Oh

[mint coral]

nor any cast% dmg buff

[cloud juniper]

Ok good to know

Except for Dio

[mint coral]

cuz thunder flare has 0 cast dmg

[tough lark]

All I remember of Beo is that I did the Thanatos achievement with it

[mint coral]

it just summons a bolt like the ones from call/special

[tough lark]

I'm not great at blocking

[cloud juniper]

Oh ok.

Good to know

So for Zeus I could do Electric shot

And it would work decently well?

On beo

[mint coral]

you only can use thunder flare on beo

is the replace of electric shot

[cloud juniper]

Is it still good?

[mint coral]

same as crystal beam->icy flare

[cloud juniper]

Ok good to know.

[mint coral]

not really

[cloud juniper]

Damn!

So the go to are Dio and Posiedon for beo!

[mint coral]

dio-pos-aphro all work

[cloud juniper]

And the passion one

[mint coral]

others are eh ig?

[cloud juniper]

Ok ok good to know.

Ares is the worst on beo

[mint coral]

but might as well try everything just for the sake of it

[cloud juniper]

Imo

Yes true

[mint coral]

facts

that one is also bugged

ares legendary doesnt work on the flare version

[cloud juniper]

Wow, interesting

I’m just shocked by the Dio bug

In the game it goes from 100-160

But that’s not true, right?

[rustic vale]

yeah

[cloud juniper]

Cuz I wouldn’t notice that unless I was paying attention closely

[rustic vale]

it does double what it says it does

[cloud juniper]

That’s absurd

Well no wonder why it’s so strong

[mint coral]

yeah that bug went unnoticed for a while

[cloud juniper]

Are they gonna fix it.

[lean timber]

no

[mint coral]

till someone went "why im doing 500 dmg to the furies with 1 cast"

also nah

[cloud juniper]

That’s crazy!

Even if it stayed at 160, it would still be decently strong

[mint coral]

at most they might be fixing minor bugs but patching mirage/double pom will probably affect the balance hard so

[cloud juniper]

Not as strong as right now but a bit weaker but good enough to clear a chamber pretty quickly.

[mint coral]

same reason things like cluster + rocket is gonna be alive too

[cloud juniper]

That’s so good too!

I try and go for 5 rockets, and Zeus on the special and lightning is everywhere

I also use Eris for that particular reason

[mint coral]

try using artemis or aphro instead

[cloud juniper]

Why’s that?

[mint coral]

zeus has an internal cooldown so if all rockets collide on 1 enemy only 1 will actually do dmg

[cloud juniper]

Ohhh ok.

[mint coral]

same reason as why chiron bow with zeus special doesnt do as much dmg as you would think

[cloud juniper]

Ohhh.

[rustic vale]

also just

[mint coral]

and artemis has crits/aphro has the biggest % bonus

[rustic vale]

rockets are high damage anyways so percentage increases are good

[mint coral]

and cluster rockets is a 400 base dmg if all hit

[cloud juniper]

Ok ok good to know.

I’ve used Chiron like once

I know it’s good but isn’t pretty hard to use?

[lean timber]

lol, lmao

chiron is like

brain completely off easy

[mint coral]

chiron is pretty comfy

same as eris where you press random buttons = things die

[lean timber]

so true!

[cloud juniper]

Ok good to know

[patent mesa]

chiron monkey brain

[cloud juniper]

I’ll have to give Chiron a fair shake then. What’s a good build for that?

I can guess Artemis is a player somewhere in this build

[mint coral]

what lvl you have on chiron?

[cloud juniper]

I think just 1

Yeah just 1

[mint coral]

yeah the explains the feeling of hard

chiron is way better at higher lvls

[cloud juniper]

Ok so I should upgrade it first?

To at least lvl 3

[mint coral]

for lvl 1 chiron you can do dio special start then get aphro attack and their duo

and pom the special

but if you can lvl it up it helps

[cloud juniper]

Ok ok

[lean timber]

level 5 u can use artemis 😈

[cloud juniper]

I’ll definitely see if I can level it up.

Oh that has to be fun

[lean timber]

artemis special, aphro attack, heart rend, destruction

easy game gg wp

[cloud juniper]

Oh yeah

I could just do those 2 and be fine

[lean timber]

for lv 1 u don't want to bother tbh

[mint coral]

if using lvl 1 picking up relentless volley helps a lot

[cloud juniper]

Ok

[lean timber]

too low of crit chance on average to make it a good build with just 4 arrows imo

[mint coral]

isnt it 3?

[lean timber]

4 5 6 7 8 i thought

[cloud juniper]

No at 1 It’s 4

That sounds right

Rama is fun, I think

[mint coral]

it is

[cloud juniper]

That’s an Artemis one

[lean timber]

rama is just simply phenomenal

[cloud juniper]

On the attack

[lean timber]

with that one you reverse it

artemis attack. aphro special. same duo

just utter destruction

[mint coral]

i like aphro attack most

[cloud juniper]

But for it to work you need double or triple shot

[lean timber]

it's great but artemis is just mmmmm

[mint coral]

more consistent with the big dmg, less overkill dmg going to "waste"

same thing as hestia

[cloud juniper]

Cuz it’s to slow charge up.

[mint coral]

are you dash striking?

[lean timber]

as a gambler i love the odds so i do artemis whenever i can

[cloud juniper]

Yeah

[lean timber]

epic swift strike is really good with it

[cloud juniper]

What’s swift strike?

[lean timber]

helps a lot if u can find it

[mint coral]

it doesnt affect dash strikes

[patent mesa]

swift strike bad

[lean timber]

+30% attack speed at epic level

[cloud juniper]

Oh that Hermes

[lean timber]

good u don't need it

[mint coral]

being standing is just gonna get you hit

this aint shield

[cloud juniper]

Yeah

[lean timber]

rama has a vril shield

[cloud juniper]

I run zeus on spec for that one

[mint coral]

flat dmg are great on special yeah

[cloud juniper]

And try and get the 7 arrows hammer

[mint coral]

so zeus/dio/ares

ah rama also runs into zeus internal cooldown

[cloud juniper]

Oh it does?

[mint coral]

yup

[lean timber]

but when each needle bounces to a different foe it procs individually right?

[mint coral]

is still good cuz static discharge is great and yeah that

lot of AoE still

[lean timber]

mmm jolt my beloved

[cloud juniper]

Yeah I get static discharge is amazing for Rama

I have to try Hestia now.

And see if loading the Dio cast on that one is any good.

[lean timber]

is hestia the empowered shot rail

i forgor

[mint coral]

yup

[cloud juniper]

I think I meant Hera

[lean timber]

too much management i will never do that

[mint coral]

happens a lot

[lean timber]

hera bow hestia rail

[cloud juniper]

That’s so confusing

Lmaoo

[lean timber]

i love hera as much as beowulf

[cloud juniper]

But is Hera bow good with Dio on the cast

[lean timber]

they're both fantastically fun

[mint coral]

it works, not as much dmg as beo but still

hera best option is aphro cast

[cloud juniper]

Ok

What about Pos?

[mint coral]

never tried it

[lean timber]

posideon is okay, not as impactful as it is on beowulf imo

but still valid i think

[cloud juniper]

Is Ares and Athena still ass on Hera

For the cast?

[mint coral]

athena is nice

ares is yikes

[lean timber]

ares for sure, athena is pretty good

[mint coral]

i feel like athena is the 2nd best cast for hera

tho the difference between first and 2nd is huge

[cloud juniper]

How big is the difference?

[patent mesa]

big

[lean timber]

big

[patent mesa]

crush shot is just unchallengeable

[lean timber]

common aphrodite W

[mint coral]

athena biggest weakness if that if you miss your casts go fly out of bounds

have fun with that

[cloud juniper]

Yeah that’s rough.

[lean timber]

see ya in 15 seconds bozo

enjoy having no benefit in the meantime

[mint coral]

also is slower compared to aphro cast instant burst

a funny thing with athena cast if that if you have the aphro-athena duo it can backstab from the front

[cloud juniper]

So could I do Artemis on my attack and or special and get Aphro on my cast and get heart rend

[warm nimbus]

bruh what

[cloud juniper]

And be good for Hera

[patent mesa]

eh

[mint coral]

due to how is released with hera

[lean timber]

too afraid to standing strike with rama i see...

[mint coral]

you dont need heart rend on hera

[cloud juniper]

Oh ok. That’s interesting!

[patent mesa]

you'd only get crit from pressure points with maybe mark