#h1-discussion

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latent moon
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oh god lmao

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i guess aphrodite atk makes pomming the atk a better idea

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guess i'll try that next time

rustic vale
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why use nemesis for extra damage when you can run zag and go for rush delivery

latent moon
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why use any other aspect when mirage shot beo is literally broken

rustic vale
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/j

rustic vale
latent moon
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i've never had clockets so i can't comment on that lol

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i am a hestia gamer because it requires less brain power

rustic vale
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I’ve never had clockets

lean timber
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i never did either

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😄

latent moon
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smh

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y'all are fake prophets

rustic vale
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Yup

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Sounds like me

celest sedge
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will artimes go good with nemsis

latent moon
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yes

celest sedge
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i got artimes lmao

onyx linden
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Wonder if poseidon can compete in the olymlics

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Is there a rule against gods taking part in the olympics?

rustic vale
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I have a very high roll trippy beo game going rn

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this is very fun

finite geyser
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Hey I got a quick question about the boons

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How do I get more rare boons without using the keepsakes?

mint coral
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yarn guarantess all boons are at least rare, midboss in tart does that too, midboss from aspho and foward have high chance of rare, refreshing nectar from eury, chaos favor boons

finite geyser
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Thanks

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Also which keepsake should I use more? I have been using chaos egg for a while

mint coral
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ah yeah there is also erebus gates which i think have same rarity bonus as midboss? same goes for expensive boons in styx

finite geyser
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Haven't unlocked it yet

viscid snow
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Nyx mirror upgrades also gives you higher chances with boons.

mint coral
finite geyser
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Oh alright

mint coral
finite geyser
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Dark foresight?

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What does it do?

viscid snow
mint coral
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there is also a bit of change for example at high heat taking tooth in aspho can be a safety net/sometimes you have a build so taking hourglass/other nice keepsake

finite geyser
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Alright

mint coral
finite geyser
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That means I should get it right?

mint coral
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yeah

finite geyser
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Alrighty

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Wait I'm a bit confused which one do you get more gold or blue?

mint coral
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gold

finite geyser
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Ah alright thanks again

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Now that I think of it when was the last update for hades?

gray apex
finite geyser
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Nothing new like a dlc? New characters or weapons?

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Maybe they should add a channel where we can add our own ideas

void vigil
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there used to be one, during early access

gray apex
finite geyser
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It would be cool if they added a dlc either free or not but still

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Like the game is amazing and balanced adding a dlc and more stuff would make it much better

void vigil
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However it seems that development on hades is finished. We don’t know if they’re making dlc or working on a new game, but looking at supergiants past games, I wouldn’t hope for dlc

latent moon
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i think everyone's accepted that there won't be a dlc for the game and it's extremely unlikely for there to be one, but if there is one for whatever reason, dont think anyone would complain lol

finite geyser
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New storyline maybe even gain the ability to stay in the surface and maybe discovering how bad the gods are really are

latent moon
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that sounds like too much time and effort on an already finished story lol

gray apex
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The closest thing you can get to new content at this point is mods

finite geyser
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Welp we just gotta accept there won't be a dlc off to eat noodles

viscid snow
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For River Denizens is there anything special you need to do to catch different fish or is it just many fishes? I always catch the same few fish.

gray apex
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You have to catch Legendary fish

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You get them by getting a Perfect Catch, a perfect catch means your catch was within 340ms

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So it's about how fast you react

hollow path
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are there good builds that mainly focuses on casts?

mint coral
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tho a few popular ones are slicing shot hunting blades (achilles aspect) crystal beam + crystal clarity (achilles again) hera crush shot, beowulf flood/passion/trippy flare

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smth like poseidon sword + phalanx or crush shot is ez enough

lean timber
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...?

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nvm i guess

rustic vale
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I remember reading that higher rarity trippy flare is actually worse because it decreases the size, is that true?

patent mesa
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uh

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there are ways to shrink flare size but I think it's only for icy and passion

gray apex
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Yup

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Trippy Flare adjusts its size every room

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So it cant shrink

acoustic bolt
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god aspect of chiron + curse of longing + concentrated volley + relentless volley

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insanity

rustic vale
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Aspect of chiron + concentrated volley + relentless volley = insanity tbh

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Tbf that run you did have dire misfortune, I just checked victories

acoustic bolt
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oh yeah forgot to mention that

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i took the dire misfortune over the ares/dio duo at the end with only dash as a way to get hangover

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everythign started exploding

rustic vale
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Dash hangover on chiron

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pft

acoustic bolt
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it's not like i had a choice XD

rustic vale
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I guess

acoustic bolt
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i had to fill up the dash slot if i wanted to get the duos and stop getting offered dash

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i was hoping for dio special but i got offered ares after aphrodite attack

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so what could i do :p

rustic vale
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I mean

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Not take doom special

patent mesa
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chire misfortune is fine

rustic vale
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True

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It worked out

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I’d say aphro attack and either arte or dio special would’ve worked far better

patent mesa
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in this case not arty since PS

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also pro tip it's generally preferred to start with chiron special since then you can pom it more

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but it can be fun to aphro start and see what happens

rustic vale
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I just rechecked my wins and saw a game where I had +200% damage on arte flourish and relentless+concentrated volley holy

patent mesa
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nice

strong ridge
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47 damage

mint coral
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Blessed

rustic vale
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only thing I missed was aphro/arte duo tbf

acoustic bolt
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chiron special?

rustic vale
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chiron special yes

mint coral
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Where else you would see those hammers on bow tbf

rustic vale
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You just made me think about relentless + concentrated on non-chirok aspects

strong ridge
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power never before seen

patent mesa
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they're both incompatible with charged volley I think

rustic vale
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Charged volley chiron if only

mint coral
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Rama charged + conc volley

rustic vale
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Rama special 💪💪💪

acoustic bolt
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i'm sorry what's a chiron special? am i dumb

rustic vale
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Relentless rama special

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Chiron special is the homing one

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aspect of chiron bow

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Y’know

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The one you just used (unless that victory in victories was old)

acoustic bolt
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"also pro tip it's generally preferred to start with chiron special since then you can pom it more"

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i was trying to parse this

rustic vale
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Uhhhh

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Where did you read that

gray apex
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Probably just a typo

acoustic bolt
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direlucious said it a few messages above where i said "chiron special?"

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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i just wasn't sure what i was poming. but i guess they meant like arti special?

gray apex
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I think they meant dio

patent mesa
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I mean start with the god you want on chiron special

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instead of starting with aphro attack

acoustic bolt
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oh

gray apex
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that works too

acoustic bolt
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yeah i stepped into the run accidentally holding flower

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so i just ran with it

patent mesa
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pom start gaming tbh

rustic vale
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Flower start 💪💪💪

patent mesa
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yeah on arty special poms are much less useful

signal aspen
gray apex
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Yea that's why I assumed you meant dio

acoustic bolt
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tbh walking in with a keepsake seems like less fun sometimes

patent mesa
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if you wanna do chire misfortune I assume you want poms on doom still

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doom poms op etc

rustic vale
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Wdym poming arte is the way to go

acoustic bolt
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yeah since i started with aphro attack and found ares special in tartarus i just hoped i'd find dire misfortune and the duo eventually

mint coral
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Their duo is useless for chiron

patent mesa
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curse of longing gaming

mint coral
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Your doom will reset before CoL procs

acoustic bolt
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oh

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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the game is not really clear on the mechanism by which doom actually works

rustic vale
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lies and slander

rustic vale
patent mesa
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doom sucks don't buy it

acoustic bolt
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ok damage after a second is different from explaining what happens as you refresh it

rustic vale
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“After a brief moment, victim takes a burst of damage”

acoustic bolt
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like if it was clear then i could assume that chiron just puts a bunch of dooms on

rustic vale
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well

mint coral
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The main thing i hate about doom is that it doesnt have a legendary

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Why hermes can have 2 but ares no

patent mesa
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yo same what's up with that

rustic vale
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Dire mistfortune kinda tells you that it doesn’t work that way tbh

mint coral
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Pos has 2 too, 2nd one is for fishing but still

patent mesa
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wonder what a good yellow doom would be

acoustic bolt
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actually no, because one way to interpret dire misfortune is that every time doom goes off on the same enemy it does more damage

rustic vale
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uhhh

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I mean I guess so

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That seems like a mental stretch tbh

acoustic bolt
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to you maybe

rustic vale
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But maybe that’s because I inherently know thats how it works that I can’t see how someone could think otherwise as easily

mint coral
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First time i've seen it explained that way

patent mesa
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I figured out yellow doom

rustic vale
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it could be seen that way but only really if it’s your first time using doom or dire misfortune tbh

patent mesa
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your blade rifts apply doom

acoustic bolt
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could be. and it's frustrating to just have the reaction basically be "hey you're an idiot for thinking this is unclear"

patent mesa
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gaming

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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so how does refreshing doom work

rustic vale
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it doesn’t

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You hit them, inflict doom

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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You hit them multiple times with dire misfortune before it falls, it does more damage when it falls

acoustic bolt
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so until doom falls off consecutive hits don't do anything

patent mesa
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yellow doom: "your doom effects are good"
+100% damage

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best legendary

warm nimbus
rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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right

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so what does curse of longing do

patent mesa
mint coral
patent mesa
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imagine hunting blades + athena special on zeus aspect

warm nimbus
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wait no dash because you need athena dash for me

warm nimbus
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broken

acoustic bolt
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does it make doom stay on for the duration of weak and trigger every so often?

patent mesa
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zeus aspect finally good

rustic vale
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I’m doing a bad job with my words

acoustic bolt
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so it doesn't do anything if you're using special a lot

patent mesa
rustic vale
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Yes

rustic vale
warm nimbus
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yeah the problem with it is that it gets overridden pretty much all the time

patent mesa
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and I believe while a weaker doom is active it can be overwritten by a regular doom

warm nimbus
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might actually be good on rama

patent mesa
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if that wasn't the case it would be a fat downgrade

mint coral
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Is kinda decent if doom is just an extra dng

acoustic bolt
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so my entire build was just dire misfortune

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basically

rustic vale
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yes

patent mesa
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eg doom attack on passion beo

rustic vale
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And impending doom

warm nimbus
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yeah dire misfortune chiron like doubles your doom damage lol

patent mesa
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chire misfortune op

warm nimbus
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well maybe not double but pretty close

patent mesa
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not nearly as good as dire lucifortune of course

acoustic bolt
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but a different special would have been better? or is it just not consistent to hope i'll find dire misfortune

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i found it a lot earlier and passed because i was mistaken on how this stuff works 😦

patent mesa
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it can work but yeah requiring the tier 2 boon can suck

acoustic bolt
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that run would have been like half as long

mint coral
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Is not that rare to find but arte/dio are prob better

rustic vale
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A different special would’ve been better

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dio or arte

mint coral
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Artemis has a lot of scaling through chaos too

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Purple flourish is insane

patent mesa
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smh best chiron is dem special + arctic blast

mint coral
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And if you lucky for the conc volley + epic swift flourish is gg

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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arctic blast is the one that explodes at 10 stacks?

mint coral
patent mesa
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yeah it sucks don't use it

rustic vale
mint coral
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Or maybe 2nd, ik it was with chiron

patent mesa
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chiron abuser

mint coral
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Not anymore

acoustic bolt
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so starting with aphro attack like i did dio special + low tolerance would have been much stronger

patent mesa
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better to start with dio special

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then pick up aphro attack at least starting asphodel

acoustic bolt
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i understand

rustic vale
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Then free ps

acoustic bolt
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i'm not always going to start with a god keepsake

warm nimbus
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gave you like 30%

patent mesa
warm nimbus
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poms on arty are sad

patent mesa
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then give up and pick a good aspect for it with pom or purse

acoustic bolt
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that's basically what i did because i forgot to unequip flower

mint coral
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Poms on arte flourish are aight

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On attack is sad

acoustic bolt
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so that's why i started with aphro attack

patent mesa
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yeah zeus attack poms are way better

mint coral
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Storm lightning poms

warm nimbus
acoustic bolt
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like my question wasn't how do i start this better it was what was the bette rway to progress that run from that point

patent mesa
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taking ares special was fine

rustic vale
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It was fine

mint coral
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If you started with aphro attack just tske the first special i find

patent mesa
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finding ares naturally is good

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because then you can force another ares in asphodel

mint coral
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If no special grab arte/dio prob

warm nimbus
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most specials on chiron do decently at the very least

acoustic bolt
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ok so i wasn't losing win % there

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i donno i'm coming from a more slay the spire mindset. it's just a bunch of decision points i don't really care how it started i just want to know what's optimal from where i'm at

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does that make sense?

warm nimbus
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yeah

patent mesa
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god keepsakes are super op so abusing them can get boring

acoustic bolt
patent mesa
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that's why I did bounties with the pom start + give up approach

safe tinsel
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I'm maxing out all keepsakes so I'm using all of them

patent mesa
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kept variety in weapons instead of running mirage beo every game

brisk trail
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I don't actually remember the last time I took a non-god keepsake apart from like, acorn in styx

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or collar, I love collar

mint coral
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Im never maxing my keeosakes bouldy

acoustic bolt
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what do you mean by pom start

mint coral
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Mom pom keepsake

patent mesa
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start run and look at first boon

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let's say it's dio and he offers special

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then hit give up and do run again with pom start and chiron

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bam now you have 4 free pom slices with dio chiron

acoustic bolt
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does giving up not randomize everything again?

patent mesa
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over time two runs separated by give up will diverge

acoustic bolt
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i also don't have this keepsake so i guess i need to win more

patent mesa
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but the starting boon will stay the same

acoustic bolt
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that sounds like the give up option has more complicated mechanics than i would expect

mint coral
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It just keeps the same seed

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But basically anything you do changes the rng

lean timber
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break a pot

mint coral
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Smth you normally ignore like pots/shades for example

patent mesa
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you can think of give up as basically the game pretending your run never happened

mint coral
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Checking the codex

acoustic bolt
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the seed is dynamic O_o?

patent mesa
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yeah actions you take will change the rng

acoustic bolt
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that is wildly different from other roguelikes i've played or at least as far as i know

mint coral
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In theory you can follow the same steps to keep your seed the same for the results

acoustic bolt
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like some things can't be consistent, but usually if you pathed the same way you'd get the same rewards. it woulnd't be changed by a pot or hitting an option

mint coral
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In practice, good luck with that

acoustic bolt
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i mean you just said looking at the codex

mint coral
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Tho routed runs are really funny

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Specially the eris one

patent mesa
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yeah they do weird stuff like use all meg asap so they can try to summon which changes rng

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meg tart c2 gamers

finite geyser
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What are you talking about?

mint coral
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Using meg companion

finite geyser
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What is that?

mint coral
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Using it when no possible makes zag do a dialogue which changes rng

acoustic bolt
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ok so tbc, you start a run with no keepsake, see what it is and then give up so you can take a good kit for the first boon you see

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@patent mesa

lean timber
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i can't! not here! it's no use.

mint coral
patent mesa
finite geyser
patent mesa
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and you can take pom or purse for a free head start

rustic vale
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I just started a chiron run and got dio special 2nd room is poms lets go free levels

lean timber
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love it!

acoustic bolt
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i would say it sounds a bit overpowered but at the same time how am i supposed to know if privaleged status is going to be good without taking a keepsake in

rustic vale
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I’m about to get the worst hammer rng ever

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Calling it rn

safe tinsel
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Let's see

lean timber
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mmm three attack hammers mm

warm nimbus
mint coral
warm nimbus
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its just that the game doesnt allow you to meg after you clear an encounter

patent mesa
warm nimbus
lean timber
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meg, help! megaera? hey meg?

mint coral
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Not asap but pretty early you use a bunch

warm nimbus
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ok nvm it does

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kinda

mint coral
rustic vale
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So I found a chaos room, picked special damage without looking at the downside

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Now I’m taking damage on attack

warm nimbus
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it uses... some of them immediately?

safe tinsel
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What aspect

mint coral
mint coral
rustic vale
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also screw bad hammer rng I’m getting no hammer rng

rustic vale
safe tinsel
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Mega oof

patent mesa
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hm you're right I just checked again

safe tinsel
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Whole point of chiron is the attack

patent mesa
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using 3 megs asap is weird

warm nimbus
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yeah it doesnt use all of them lmao

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it saves one for heroes

rustic vale
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my hammer just

warm nimbus
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lol whats funny is that the seeded wr actually messes up power couple 0 cycle

rustic vale
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Isn’t showing up

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it’s meg

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Where is my hammershadegrief shadegrief shadegrief

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no tart hammer tf

warm nimbus
mint coral
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It was def faster to destroy the lout/wringer armors with meg than rocket and spray

rustic vale
mint coral
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Rocket 1 shot pretty gud

warm nimbus
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if you didnt then ig you just got unlucky

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somehow

mint coral
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And for later meg wont matter cuz the funny movement speed

warm nimbus
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itll probably show up like c17 lol

mint coral
# rustic vale Isn’t showing up

Hi, did you know dark foresight increases your chances of seeing gold laurel rooms? That increases your chances of seeing a hammer

rustic vale
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I have darkforesight on

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🔫

rustic vale
safe tinsel
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Yeah the worst

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Bc it's non existent

rustic vale
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They knew it would be too strong if I started with a pomed dio special and a hammer

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Curse you SGG

safe tinsel
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Currently on 30% damage resistant from god mode and still suffering 😪

rustic vale
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so you were close

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Damn it

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They had to nerf me after that trippy flare beowulf highroll

rustic vale
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explosive, pointblank and flurry shot

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flurry shot here I come I guess

patent mesa
rustic vale
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Hmm

patent mesa
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I just watched it

rustic vale
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SGG is sending me mixed messages

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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damn

warm nimbus
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or at least, thats how much time it lost

rustic vale
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well

warm nimbus
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you can actually see on the side

patent mesa
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rip tiny vermin

rustic vale
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10 damage hangover with low tolerance lets go

mint coral
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Now add curse of nausea

rustic vale
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purple swift flourish?!?!

rustic vale
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I say so much more then that but in reality I kinda just want to go for splitting headache/ heart rend

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Curse of nausea is probably the better and safer option though

lean timber
rustic vale
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Yes but purple swift flourish on chiron means if I get concentrated volley I win

mint coral
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*volley

lean timber
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you can already proc concentrated volley with regular special. what's the big deal

rustic vale
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It becomes fast enough to keep stacking

lean timber
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no way

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no way in h*ck

mint coral
rustic vale
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No way in hades

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I got concentrated volley

patent mesa
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cheat engine

rustic vale
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alrthough

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You have to be at like

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A sweetspot of distance

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For it to work

mint coral
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And heart rend

rustic vale
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I’m so glad I got extra special damage from chaos

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Hmm

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Now I’m being offer purple level 5 arte flourish in exchange for my blue level 5 dio flourish

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I’m really really tempted here

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To shift over to arte flourish

mint coral
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With swift + conc volley is probably the play

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Big crits

rustic vale
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Theseus and asterius kinda just

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Dead

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Oh the game is far too kind today

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Highroll beo, mega good rng chiron

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I’m doing

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God’s Legacy gaming

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And it’s almost as if I have exclusive access

lean timber
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exclusive access gaming

rustic vale
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Ah

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I almost beat my personal record by a few seconds

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But hades disappeared too much

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My west hall doesn’t have a checkmark above it but I can’t buy anything more for it

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I shall check the wiki

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Ah I was missing divine columns so I couldn’t purchase 2 items

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I was making good time in tartarus before I decided to pick up free money from charon

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Bye bye 80 seconds and 2 death defiances because I wasn’t playing great

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Well

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Atleast I’ve got the free money now

mint coral
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Just left tart with full ME zagluv

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Granted at 2:37 cuz teials but still

rustic vale
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Which weapon

mint coral
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Modded version of fists

rustic vale
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Talos demeter gilgamesh special zagluv

mint coral
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It makes maim actually good lmao

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It reverses the buff/debuff

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And if you apply it with the dem charge its a free of charge +100% dmg boost for maim duration

warm nimbus
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i still havent tried aspect fusion but it looks super fun

mint coral
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My fav is prob shield or rail

warm nimbus
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rail looks awesome, esp with rocket bomb

rustic vale
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Does it pull 7 times?

mint coral
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I dont think it affevts the pull

rustic vale
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Doom strike or special?

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assuming doom strike but idk

mint coral
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Yeah attack lol

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Lol this run has the 4 fresh file gods

rustic vale
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Get arte cast for the duo I guess

mint coral
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I have lol

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But guess who hasnt showed up in aspho

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Hint: is not arte or athena :)

rustic vale
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I just thought about Nemesis arthur

mint coral
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Oh you need to see how arthur specials looks with the mod

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Is hilarious

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Finally hermes

mint coral
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@rustic vale the aura moves with you for ultimate sword

rustic vale
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baseddd

patent mesa
warm nimbus
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-70% move speed

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er wait no itd be -58% move speed

patent mesa
warm nimbus
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hmmm maybe i should just try hestia for 50 heat instead of eris

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seems a little less boon hungry

patent mesa
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hestia modded is really comfy since you can RI2 AP1 hazard

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and heck you can even EM4

warm nimbus
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ill give it a shot

patent mesa
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crank up JS3 since hazard obliterates it

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you can swap HS for something like JS or CF

warm nimbus
#

hows this lmao

patent mesa
#

oh bruh

warm nimbus
#

i think ill just do hell mode lmao

#

i have to take cp1 but oh well

patent mesa
#

I think CP1 PL1 JS3 RI0 would be better

#

since RI0 helps with EM4

warm nimbus
gray apex
#

RI0 is better yea

patent mesa
#

superdad spooky

gray apex
#

This is fine tho, I just expect it to be harder/ more rng heavy

warm nimbus
#

alr, what attack do i start with?

#

dem or aphro

patent mesa
#

aphro 100%

#

dem sucks

warm nimbus
#

true

#

chill nerfs superdad tho

patent mesa
#

actually I like dem if you get killing freeze

gray apex
patent mesa
#

lmao

#

I hate HS

warm nimbus
#

hs bad

#

but cp2 worse

gray apex
#

CP2 is atrocious

patent mesa
#

wait

#

I didn't mean to CP2 lmao

#

yeah 100% HS over CP2 oops

warm nimbus
#

ok well ill try this

#

what do i go for on special? just aphro?

patent mesa
#

aphro's good

#

if you're forcing athena getting special isn't bad

warm nimbus
#

ive barely played hestia so well see how this goes lol

gray apex
#

Do a warmup 45

warm nimbus
#

smart

patent mesa
#

are you doing the RI0 EM4 route?

warm nimbus
#

yeah

gray apex
#

It’s gonna get ugly

patent mesa
#

should keep EM4 for 45 warmup then tbh

warm nimbus
#

yeah ik

warm nimbus
#

is ri2 em3 better?

gray apex
#

It’s much easier

patent mesa
#

hestia handles RI2 well so I think so

warm nimbus
#

true

gray apex
#

EM4 on Hestia takes a while

#

And the auto aim sucks

patent mesa
#

hestia likes shooting pots

gray apex
#

Keeps aiming at pots

warm nimbus
#

oh the damn pots

gray apex
#

You have to have good experience with the fight

warm nimbus
#

ok well

gray apex
#

So it’ll take a lot more time and practice

warm nimbus
#

ill try ri2 ig

patent mesa
#

is there merit to turning on attack at cursor for dad?

warm nimbus
#

ig its not as bad since hestia doesnt need a lot of boons

gray apex
#

A lot of people do that

#

It’s just annoying because you can miss lol

#

I keep it off but I’ve also done EM4 Hestia like 5 times bouldy

patent mesa
#

this is why seeking fire is the best hestia hammer

warm nimbus
#

what do i bind reload to on kbm

#

i currently have special on right click and cast on a side mouse button

patent mesa
#

I always do right click on hestia but that might be sus

gray apex
#

I have it on mouse side button

warm nimbus
#

ill try that and just move cast to the more annoying side mouse button

patent mesa
#

smh hades is p2w

#

my mouse has nothing fancy so I have to do scroll down for cast and scroll up for special

warm nimbus
#

have you tried middle click?

signal aspen
#

I have reload on r

warm nimbus
#

its a godsend in a lot of games

gray apex
#

🗿

patent mesa
#

eh middle click is way worse imo

#

takes forever

signal aspen
#

Delta hestia 🗿

warm nimbus
#

middle click for cast is what im saying

gray apex
#

My middle click is too hard to press

warm nimbus
#

oh weird

signal aspen
#

Press it harder

gray apex
#

I don’t use it for anything

patent mesa
#

same

warm nimbus
#

i use it in most games i play for things i expect to do once in the 10s-1m range

patent mesa
#

might be good summon button tbh

warm nimbus
#

oooh good idea

gray apex
#

I just have summon on 1

signal aspen
#

I use summon on shift

gray apex
patent mesa
#

yo same

warm nimbus
#

summon on 1 is bad bc it messes with some of my megs

patent mesa
#

like when you need to move and meg simultaneously?

signal aspen
#

Skip to 16:05 🗿

gray apex
#

I rarely meg while moving

#

Probably only in EM4

#

But it’s still manageable

#

Got too many hours to rebind stuff now

#

Just cant get used to different binds bouldy

warm nimbus
#

man im really bad at hestia lol

mint coral
#

mood

mellow slate
#

does blood frenzy stack?

raw herald
#

No

acoustic bolt
#

does aspect of achilles special interact with dash boons

#

for example, does it trigger hyper sprint?

patent mesa
#

tbh it should

acoustic bolt
#

it would certainly be intuitive

mint coral
#

@rustic vale yeah, most of the time is either artemis or zeus whoever shows up first

#

Only difference is that you really want splitting bolt/rd

#

Maybe both bouldy

rustic vale
#

Interesting

mint coral
#

Ofc this is also assuming you have flurry

#

Otherwise zeus sus

rustic vale
#

got it

acoustic bolt
#

this keeps coming up where one thing was wrong. how long am i supposed to wait before i just take whatever boon is there?

rustic vale
#

You aren’t playing wrong it’s just some choices are sus y’know

acoustic bolt
#

i'm not taking it personally

mint coral
#

Dont worry about it honestly, unless you wanna speedrun/high heat basically anything works

acoustic bolt
#

i just want to know what the correct choice is

mint coral
#

And even for things like sub 10/32 heat you still can finish with a lot of things

rustic vale
#

But learning earlier is better so

mint coral
#

If you see us talking about "wrong" choices is mainly us playing with meta builds for so long lol

acoustic bolt
#

i'm just saying i don't mind the criticism i just want to learn

#

so you say oh zeus attack is sus but how long am i supposed to wait if i'm not getting one that isn't sus

rustic vale
#

till you get a strike that isn’t sus? I mean

#

I hold off until I can force sometimes if I’m only getting bad options

mint coral
#

On achilles i just force attack on aspho

acoustic bolt
#

doesn't that prevent you from getting tier 2+ stuff and duos?

#

well not prevent

rustic vale
#

no?

mint coral
#

If i already have a cast i force attack for right duo or in reverse

acoustic bolt
#

but you're less likely because the game keeps trying to give you cores

mint coral
#

If i have x attack i take y cast

mint coral
#

Like sometimes i avoid taking call even if its good before hermes

acoustic bolt
#

so you don't qualify for hermes call buffs?

mint coral
#

Yup

acoustic bolt
#

alright

rustic vale
#

sometimes I avoid taking calls so I can hit rush delivery easier then take hades trinket for sweet sweet extra movespeed

acoustic bolt
#

that build guide that got posted the other day basically said all zeus stuff is good for achilles

rustic vale
#

yes

#

Generally zeus stuff = take more t2 zeus boons

#

Being the play

#

I think

mint coral
#

Even without flurry having zeus smth + phalanx can work

#

You want quick reload in that case tho

acoustic bolt
#

because the duo is good?

#

quick reload?

mint coral
#

Lightning phalanx is nice yeah

#

Qr is feom hermes

#

Enemies drop cass in less time

#

On bosses is gonna suck without it

#

Cuz the default time is like 15 secs?

patent mesa
#

this is why poseidon >>>

#

you know I'm right

mint coral
#

More like hera lmao

acoustic bolt
#

i don't have any secret aspects yet XD

patent mesa
#

hm hera..

#

oh isn't hera that aspect that's just cshot beo but worse

mint coral
mint coral
patent mesa
#

:(

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

oh i thought poseidon was one

#

sorry i still don't have all the names

latent moon
#

if it's a greek name then it isn't hidden

mint coral
latent moon
#

if you're thinking "who is that in greek mythology" it's probably a hidden aspect

rustic vale
#

Guan-yu is my favourite greek god wdym

acoustic bolt
#

i hadn't even noticed the out of placeness lol

mint coral
#

BeOwOlf best god

rustic vale
#

Beowulf is a european mythological dude

latent moon
#

i think when you pick up aspect of arthur zag says "excalibur" lol

rustic vale
#

Can’t remember which european country

rustic vale
latent moon
#

i swear he says excalibur sometimes

rustic vale
#

Perhaps

latent moon
rustic vale
#

I thought it was norse tbh

acoustic bolt
#

arthur?

rustic vale
#

King arthur

acoustic bolt
#

i know

rustic vale
#

King arthur sword

mint coral
#

Beeg sword

rustic vale
#

huge sword

#

Mega sword

#

Best sword

latent moon
#

wait king arthur is from england isn't he

acoustic bolt
#

tbf it's probably pagan mythology that got a christian reflavoring

rustic vale
#

Yup

latent moon
#

so beowulf is from somewhere else then

patent mesa
#

thicc sword

#

beowulf is from broken mythology

acoustic bolt
#

lol i cannot tell who is being facetious or not

mint coral
#

Where is gilga from?

rustic vale
#

beowulf I really want to say norse but I’m aphrensive

#

Giglamesh is

patent mesa
#

probably the floating trash gyre mythology

rustic vale
#

I’m blanking

acoustic bolt
#

gilgamesh is mesopatamian

patent mesa
#

oh it's sumerian I believe

latent moon
#

Beowulf is a legendary Geatish warrior and protagonist of the Old English epic poem of the same name.

patent mesa
#

looked it up once

acoustic bolt
#

oh sumerian might be it

latent moon
#

so they're both english

mint coral
#

Rama its indu no?

latent moon
#

i think so

patent mesa
#

gilgy has the best awakening and post awakening event by far tbh

#

love it

rustic vale
#

asterius 💪💪💪

mint coral
#

I like the dialogue when taking luci to dad lol

patent mesa
#

oh what's that

acoustic bolt
#

spoiler it!

rustic vale
#

Why can’t I be super best friends with asterius like theseus

patent mesa
#

"are you being carried by triple bomb"

mint coral
#

Also i ginna say i hate smth about beo

rustic vale
#

“Holy, are you running clockets?”

acoustic bolt
#

there's a mod that lets you befriend asterius and theseus

rustic vale
#

Theseus ew

#

Asterius 💪💪💪

mint coral
acoustic bolt
#

does hestia only effect the first bullet?

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

but yes

acoustic bolt
#

it does say next shot yes

patent mesa
#

if you manually reload 10 times at the start of an encounter all subsequent bullets are empowered

#

trust me

rustic vale
#

Imagine full mag 150 damage shots shadesmile shadesmile shadesmile

acoustic bolt
#

i was sort of hoping holding it down would count as all one shot :p

latent moon
rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

i wouldn't know

rustic vale
#

Well

#

150 damage for each shot in the full mag would make flurry fire actually good

patent mesa
#

wait can you get delta with hestia

latent moon
#

yes

acoustic bolt
#

what is the base damage

#

100?

rustic vale
patent mesa
#

and you can still manually reload with delta right

mint coral
patent mesa
#

huh nice

acoustic bolt
#

oh nevermind

#

i'm just looking at the first level

latent moon
#

oh that's cool

rustic vale
#

But hestia reloaded bullets at level 5 is 150

patent mesa
#

so deltia is actually kinda useful

acoustic bolt
#

so hestia is one of them that's much better higher levels

latent moon
#

i always thought it'd just negate the aspect

mint coral
rustic vale
#

Pellets hehe

patent mesa
#

lvl3+ is probably good enough tho

mint coral
#

Also reminder eris has a scope but not hestia

rustic vale
latent moon
mint coral
rustic vale
mint coral
#

The scope is blocked tho

#

The "horn" blocks it

latent moon
#

dont guns also have that sort of thing but much smaller and lines up with the scope

acoustic bolt
#

welp i'm going to assume hestia is bananas with artemis and just run with that

latent moon
#

oh "bananas" as in crazy not me

acoustic bolt
#

:p

latent moon
#

but use aphrodite instead for consistency lol

#

the crits are just overkill on normal enemies

#

aphrodite will 1 or 2 shot enemies

acoustic bolt
#

i would but i'm not taking a god keepsake artemis just happens to be the first boon

latent moon
#

artemis % modifier is really low and only benefits from the crits

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
#

you should probably take aphrodite's keepsake but you do you lol

mint coral
#

Is fine just be damue crit all the time

acoustic bolt
#

i realize that the god keepsakes are optimal

mint coral
#

Or get a beefy chaos

rustic vale
#

Ngl I kinda want to try a run where I just use shackle and try my hardest to not get any core boons

mint coral
#

Fated authorithy gaming

latent moon
#

fated authority time

acoustic bolt
#

but tbh i think it's boring to start with one

latent moon
#

fated authority and no dark foresight gaming

rustic vale
#

”It’s boring to have a semblance of control over your run”

acoustic bolt
#

lol that's not what i said

#

i said "start" with one

rustic vale
#

I like starting keepsakes so I can know my build will actually come together

#

So I can win harder

mint coral
#

The last time i tried a non meta build was artic blast eris

#

Just a tip for u all
Dont try it

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Even worse lmao

acoustic bolt
#

i play roguelikes because it's not the same every run. being able to just arbitrarily decide from the start what your build is going to be sort of defeats the purpose. at least if i don't start with a god keepsake and just use them later to fill out a run, it's more variety

mint coral
#

Heh, funny considering thats why i love hades

#

Consistency gud

acoustic bolt
#

drafting magic is my favorite form of playing. i just run with whatever is open at the table. it feels like walking in and going "i'm going to play red no matter what" and then i actually get to just have that happen

rustic vale
#

If I want less control I’ll just play dungreed or something

#

might not be the best example actually

acoustic bolt
#

this is why all of my questions have been framed as like "ok what do i take now that i have this" and not just ok what's the best

latent moon
#

if i wanted fun i'd play MEowulf

rustic vale
#

I mean

#

Hmm

#

Shackle gaming time

mint coral
#

If i wanted fun i wouldnt play ME

#

Unless is MEus, ig

rustic vale
#

Meus 💪💪

#

Hmm

#

What’d be the best aspect for shackle gaming

latent moon
#

hestia

acoustic bolt
#

is that a keepsake?

mint coral
#

Zag bow is fun too

latent moon
mint coral
rustic vale
latent moon
mint coral
#

Whos name i dont remember

latent moon
#

rip sisyphus

rustic vale
#

Sisyphus

mint coral
#

Idc sbout him i just want bouldy

latent moon
#

that's just rude smh sisyphus is a homie

rustic vale
#

That’s almost as bad as not knowing asterius’s name

mint coral
#

Also bananas i just noticed what your pfp actually was

#

Love it

latent moon
#

lmao thanks i stole it off of google images

#

i have a few more animal/banana combinations saved for pfps lol

mint coral
rustic vale
mint coral
#

Or dude i only see at heroes fight cuz modpack lol

chrome wharf
#

3 files later and I still can't spell Meg and Pat's full name

rustic vale
#

Patrocolus 😎🔫

latent moon
#

lmao

chrome wharf
#

Pat?????us

#

Meg????a

mint coral
#

Glad im not alone

rustic vale
#

Patroclus whoops

latent moon
#

zag???us

chrome wharf
#

Megaerea???

latent moon
#

close lol

#

megaera

rustic vale
#

H???s

chrome wharf
#

zag re sus

latent moon
#

zagsus

rustic vale
#

Sk???y

chrome wharf
#

I thought it was Skurry for 3 seconds lol

rustic vale
#

Ch?ron

latent moon
#

cheron

mint coral
#

Thats an ez one

rustic vale
#

chyron

mint coral
#

Charon the aspect of the bow

#

And chiron the boat man

rustic vale
#

H???s

#

Ar?s

chrome wharf
#

Hands??

rustic vale
#

Purse???

#

idk

#

persephone

#

Alright bois

#

I’m trying to push my exagryph heat

#

With shackle gaming on hestia

acoustic bolt
#

so is battle rage really good with hestia or basically just overkill

rustic vale
#

Is battlerage ever good 🤔

#

i think it’s overkill

acoustic bolt
#

i took hunter dash instead of artemis attack and got demeter epic attack

#

so i can buy ares at the shop or just force something in asphodel

#

ares doesn't look that good with hestia though

slim grail
#

Hi why does the artwork I posted get deleted?

#

There's no nude

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Is kinda like hunter's mark

#

Where it just starts chain reaction

acoustic bolt
#

if i don't take it what do i even take

#

i'm not sure what to do from here. none of the boons look great for single big hits

rustic vale
#

Lets gooo

acoustic bolt
#

maybe ares is right because he at least has 10% damage lol

rustic vale
#

+5% attack damage from bouldy

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Whats your current pool? Arti and dem?

acoustic bolt
#

yeah

#

arti dash dem attack

mint coral
#

Ah dem attack

acoustic bolt
#

so my dash attack is doing like 275 damage right now

lost ermine
#

sell dem attack if you can

acoustic bolt
#

it was epic

lost ermine
#

what's the percentage

mint coral
#

Epic is fine

acoustic bolt
#

it's lvl 2

#

it's 88% right now

lost ermine
#

i would still take aphro but sure

#

keep it

acoustic bolt
#

what does aphro attack get me i guess is my question

rustic vale
#

Huge percentage

acoustic bolt
#

isn't it 50

mint coral
#

Epic is 100%

#

But common kinda sad

lost ermine
#

common on dem sadder

rustic vale
#

Better percentage then dem though

#

Plus uh

mint coral
#

Most attacks are sad at common

rustic vale
#

Keep dem and fingers crossed for exchange?

rustic vale
lost ermine
patent mesa
mint coral
#

Can fish for chaos gates too

#

For strike/lunge

#

Or even flourish

lost ermine
#

oh if you want know why i know that it's beacuse i was on a pb pace nem speedrun and i menu'd wrong and unequiped shackle

#

so i was forced to find an attack

#

nothing from dem and zeus so i had to take pos attack common

acoustic bolt
#

as it happens i have roiling lunge and targeting system

lost ermine
latent moon
#

unless you bought something maybe

mint coral
lost ermine
#

I NOTCIED WAY TOO LATE

#

like

rustic vale
#

I’m using shackle hestia rn 💪💪💪💪

latent moon
#

ah rip

#

did you walk out the door and then realize "crap" lmao

lost ermine
#

i just kinda forgot i had shackle on and switched to acorn like normal

lost ermine
#

all the scaling gone

#

that was a 7:26 ely exit btw

#

modded

latent moon
#

dang

acoustic bolt
#

so is there a build to even force at this point other than hoping to find a heroic aphrodite attack now?

mint coral
#

Meme it with beams

rustic vale
#

Not really

mint coral
#

But hesty doesnt really have a build more than slap rlly high dmg

lean timber
rustic vale
#

Dem kinda unsynergisitic

acoustic bolt
#

lol sorry hestia just feels kinda weird. straightforward but everything else involves multiple hits or combos of things i wouldn't bother with when i can just dash strike for a billion

mint coral
#

If you find aphro/zeus naturally can force the other for smair

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

smoldering air is auto god gauge right

mint coral
mint coral
acoustic bolt
#

is that a synergy or just something to do

#

oh cause zeus gives you more damage whne you call

#

right

latent moon
#

It's free iframes and free damage

mint coral
#

And constant billowing strength/second wind if you find them

acoustic bolt
#

oh i get why it's good in a vacuum i just mean why is it good right now

#

^yeah makes sense @mint coral

mint coral
#

Is free dmg, is basically always a good pick

acoustic bolt
#

so basically don't force any god and just see if i find one of those naturally

lost ermine
#

smoldering op in ely

mint coral
#

Smoldering op

lost ermine
#

shield guys have nothing on melee weps if you got that

mint coral
#

Less in styx cuz short rooms but eh

lost ermine
#

just buy aether net while using hourglass duh

mint coral
#

More like proud bearing

latent moon
#

Or Athena's boon where you start with some call percentage yeah

acoustic bolt
#

do you not get anything for killing a boss without taking damage?

#

that's sort of surprising

#

also that just happened so yay

lost ermine
#

equip pierced butterfly

latent moon
#

If you kill hades with full hp you get the title "perfect clear"

#

Although you can cheese it a bit with acorn

mint coral
#

Yeah the only rewards for hitless are for erebus gates/butterfly

rustic vale
lost ermine
#

just cheese hitless with zeus

#

TD0 gaming

acoustic bolt
#

oh that's a good idea since i already have arti

#

force zeus and try to get the duo

#

i'm not using my magic anywya

lost ermine
#

magic

acoustic bolt
#

casts?

mint coral
#

Rod my beloved

lost ermine
#

no i just find it funny how you call it casts

lost ermine
acoustic bolt
#

magic?

lost ermine
#

rod best duo other than the best duos

rustic vale
mint coral
#

Rod is just so simpme but free dmg lol

#

Wait is rod basically zeus call?

latent moon
#

It doesn't hit as fast as the call I don't think

#

And less damage I think because rod is 70 and the call can be pommed

lost ermine
#

not if you have a lot of casts

latent moon
#

True

rustic vale
lost ermine
#

zeus t2s does work on rod though

mint coral
#

I feel 2 rods is oretty similar in speed

lost ermine
#

i once got rod and greater recall

#

thanks hermes

#

very cool

mint coral
#

Why did you take recall tho

rustic vale
#

Free money at pool of purging

mint coral
#

Almost no rod tho

lost ermine
mint coral
#

Shame

#

Speaking of recall i think i've only picked it up once lol

latent moon
#

I think I've picked it up like twice when playing pos sword

warm nimbus
#

like you can reload at full ammo on hestia but not other rails

tall holly
#

zeus dash only run complete

#

no idea how

#

no pact

#

no duos/legendary

#

i just spammed zeus dash and beat it lol

acoustic bolt
#

wooooo that hestia run was my first dad kill without using a death defy 😄

lost ermine
#

congrats!

acoustic bolt
#

thanks ^_^

hollow sorrel
#

why does the bow feel so good to use ?

gray apex
#

Because it’s good

slim grail
#

Why the art I posted got deleted??

void vigil
# slim grail Why the art I posted got deleted??

#fan-works is for posting art of supergiant games related artworks and the likes, and that was a character from persona 5. Also, it had no link to the original artist who drew it, which is necessary when posting art you didn’t draw yourself.

slim grail
umbral saffron
#

wait

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tell me

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who is best girl/boy

crimson pulsar
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Enjoy

lean timber
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i'll take one thanks

lost ermine
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i will without failing die on lernie at least once during my sword speedruns

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i think that qualifies

shy galleon
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hey guys

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i am a newbie in hades

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any tips

lost ermine