#h1-discussion

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rustic vale
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is it impossible to get calls on a fresh file run

void vigil
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yes, you only get them later on

patent mesa
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sorry chief but you're not beating fresh file first try

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wayyyy too hard

rustic vale
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I wanted to attempt it

latent moon
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i think my first try got to lernie which isn't terrible lmao

rustic vale
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This is going to be like

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Purely luck since on my normal file my highest heat it like 17 or 18

mint coral
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The earliest i've escaped i think it was 3rd run

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Cshot gud

patent mesa
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allegedly fresh file is harder than 50

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idk how true that is though

mint coral
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Acording to who dusa

patent mesa
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idk maybe I just made it up

rustic vale
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Source: myself shadesmile

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Aspectless mirrorless sword gaming

mint coral
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Most of the time is just the "apples vs oranges" due to them being totally different experiences

patent mesa
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the difficulty of fresh file is psychological because you're forced to use sword

mint coral
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Mono dash sword to be specific bouldy

rustic vale
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Single dash sword 😎🔫

void vigil
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single dash 😢

patent mesa
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single dash isn't too bad on hestia imo

rustic vale
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Zag sword fans playing the same game as me but with a mirror

patent mesa
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and shields presumably

rustic vale
mint coral
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And ye shields comfy

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Bullrush kinda charged dash

void vigil
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youre all on a different level than me i love hitting the dash button like my life depends on it with no calculating thought in my brain

latent moon
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that's the only way to play the game wdym

void vigil
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so true

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its gotten me through 20 heat on many occasions so clearly it works

mint coral
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Dw i said its fine, not that i actively play like that dusa

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There is a reason RR is meta only on specific cases bouldy

rustic vale
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Well I just got forced to relearn that you don’t immediately have access to the lounge on freshfile shadegrief

mint coral
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How far you went?

rustic vale
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a few messed up dashes on megeara shadegrief 🔫

mint coral
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Rip

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Also on fresh file i dislike run 2 so much lol

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Forced zeus is ron

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Tho at the same time it was zeus on bow special + splitting that carried me till heroes there lmao

rustic vale
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gues I just grab key rooms in hopes of shield tbh

mint coral
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I thiiink 3rd run is when hammer first shows up

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And cshot should always be there

rustic vale
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Now that I consider myself considerably better then when I first started playing I want to see if I can get a clear way earlier

rustic vale
mint coral
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Just maybe

rustic vale
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Cshot gilmanlove

mint coral
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Ik the last 2 times i tried it was there

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And that was before modded

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If not you can prob pray for pulv blow

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Is aight

rustic vale
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Can you get pos second run though? You mentioned zeus force and uh

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pos dash seastorm

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was my first thought

mint coral
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Pos should be able to spawn prob

rustic vale
mint coral
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Are you in the speedrun server? Can prob confirm there lol

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In the fresh file channel

rustic vale
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oh damn yeah

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I keep forgetting I’m on it

rustic vale
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I already have tidal dash and zeus flourish, is tempest strike a good pick or should I hope for a different god on my core boons

lean timber
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m

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mer

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merciful end

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...chiron

rustic vale
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Merciful end chiron which way do you put your doom /athena?

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Doom strike or special?

lean timber
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doom special for the dire misfortune stacking

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God i hate that i love this why WHY WHY

rustic vale
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Tbf

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I think the play is actually aphro/ares duo

lean timber
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you're kidding around right?

rustic vale
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no

lean timber
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hehe

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wait what

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is there some crazy hidden strat i don't know

south mountain
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it gives near 100% uptime (during intense combat) on 50% dodge and 50% damage if you just mindlessly spam dodge

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50% dodge is a whole lot better than a couple extra iframes if you're not timing those iframes to attacks

gray apex
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Having 1 dash only kills a lot of weapons

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Just because you can survive with RR doesnt make it worth it

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You can survive with anything in this game

south mountain
gray apex
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He does

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I still wouldnt call that worth it

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On most weapons

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Just get a second dash

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I think you're overestimating RR uptime

south mountain
gray apex
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And underestimating the amount of damage you end up taking in bosses especially if Hermes does not decide to give you another dash

south mountain
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the game is VERY generous what counts as a 'near miss'

gray apex
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It might be

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But I dont have 900 hours for nothing

south mountain
rustic vale
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Ruthless reflex doesn’t kill gilgamesh and that’s the only I can think of

rustic vale
south mountain
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like I can understand that if you're actually great at the game and time your dashes right, an extra dash is great

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but if you just mindless spam dash and throw your face at the enemies because you're not great

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ruthless reflex is better imo

rustic vale
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Yes but learning with greater reflex >learning ruthless

south mountain
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also don't underestimate how great 50% increased generic damage is

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applies to everything

rustic vale
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Well

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rush delivery 😎

south mountain
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tidal dash, casts, zeus boons, doom, hangover, etc

rustic vale
south mountain
gray apex
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I mean I'm not argue with it, you can play however you want, maybe you find it better

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But in reality it's simply not better

south mountain
south mountain
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and if you "mindlessly spam dash" I would argue you're probably benefitting more from the higher skill floor than the higher ceiling

rustic vale
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If you endless dash spam I’d argue you benefit more from greater reflex

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Means you can dash spam more

gray apex
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The issue with this is no such thing as spamming dash exists when you only have 1 dash and it has a noticeable cooldown

rustic vale
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The only weapon where ruthless reflex is better than gr

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Gilgamesh

gray apex
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If you try to up the heat for example you'll notice that you cant play with RR

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On most weapons

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Only Shields and Gilga

rustic vale
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Oh shields too

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Hmm

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My ME shield relied on dash striking so the extra dash was nice

gray apex
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Anyway I think you get my point, so let's just leave it at that

rustic vale
gray apex
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ME is mainly used on Zeus shield really, and it's comfy with RR because you dont need the dash

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You dash-strike but it's manageable still

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For speedrunning it's still greater reflex tho

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Mobility is too good

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At higher heat the problem is you basically start to lack damage

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And your build is very barebones a lot of the time, you just have the essentials

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So it's easy to time out

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And also die because spending 2-3 minutes on a boss is pretty tiring

rustic vale
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It’s not as insane as highroll trippy shot but yeah it’s insane

lost ermine
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totally didn't played through first 3 biomes with only 50 health

gray apex
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Trippy is just pain

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I have like 2 successful attempts with it

lost ermine
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now i want to ask cgull how many times he reset in tart just to make that dio beo video

raw herald
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That was bigp

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Cgull just edited it and added music

gray apex
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Yea

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It's still a lot

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There's a reason nobody plays it now bouldy

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even bigp bouldy

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was pretty gud tbh

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The other one had a way better build but it was so scuffed because I got rekt by an enshrouded curse

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And had to take Poseidon into Ely and Arty into styx bouldy bouldybouldy

lost ermine
lost ermine
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also quick question should you go for arty's legendary while playing dio beo

gray apex
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If you have the chance definetly

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Should always go for it

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Even with Flood

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Or Passion

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You can just never rely on it

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Needs 3 arty boons, a lot of the time 4

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because I'd take mark over pp/support fire

rustic vale
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arte’s legendary never shows up on cast builds

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It’s just a fact

gray apex
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Yea it's not really easy to get

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Needs a lot of things to go right

rustic vale
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well

gray apex
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I had it 4-5 times in 3K beo attempts or something

rustic vale
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You have all the prerequisites

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But then

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You’ll never see it anyways

gray apex
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That's the issue basically

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Because you want Arty attack then maybe Mirage if she's the god giving it and then Mark pp support fire and then another arty

rustic vale
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Because rng hates beo users

gray apex
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I had fully loaded on my first beo 50 heat with EM4

rustic vale
raw herald
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My 6:18 pb had fully loaded

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If my 5:56 no legacy run got it, I’d be phoning the rng gods

gray apex
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hitless 5:56

raw herald
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zagpls

lost ermine
rustic vale
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except for arthur users

lost ermine
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*us

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me sword main

night rampart
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Who pinged me I can’t be bothered to scroll through all this

gray apex
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^

night rampart
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Yeah it can show up with tooth but you might have to have an empty tooth slot in that room or something

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It’s complicated and I don’t really know

south mountain
lost ermine
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damn that's a pretty cool chart

gray apex
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Rama cares a lot more about levels

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It's just whether you want it or not lol

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Both top tier aspects

south mountain
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demeter laser beams might be a bit of a meme

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but with eris rail and the tracking duo they sure do pump out some dps on hades

high island
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Crystal Clarity is legit.

pastel monolith
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true that

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hunting lades too. major upgrade

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does having a duu count for both gods for family favorites if u sell the other boons

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probably right?

gray apex
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nah it's weird

pastel monolith
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dang

acoustic bolt
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if i purge strong drink do i lose the damage bonus?

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or is it permanent

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also, the butterfly keepsake. do i only get the damage bonus as long as i have it equipped?

south mountain
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don't know about the other one

gray apex
acoustic bolt
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k

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that sucks about the butterfly. doesn't seem that great unless you're really consistent and basically don't take it off the entire run

pastel monolith
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ya butterfly and plume basicaly need to be entire run

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the only keepsake that u get to keep the benefits of after switching it is the coinpurse

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oh and the mom blossom

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I guess the one where pots have health too technically

mint coral
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You also keep the bonus encounters from charon keepsake if you swap it

pastel monolith
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true

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i usualy start with the blossom, then switch to coinpurse, then acorn after that

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on high heat its prety much all acorn all the way

mint coral
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I only do mom pom if i want to meme with hangover lol

pastel monolith
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i like to start with the blossom bc in tartarus its nice to get ur first main boons a few levels. beyond that it usualy hits random stuff that doesnt matter

mint coral
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Il rather just get the boon i want in 1st place bouldy

pastel monolith
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i like the acorn bc i hate losing dds to bosses

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and im getting pretty good at not getting hit much

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but i sometimes have low health when i get to the boss

pastel monolith
latent moon
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based

pastel monolith
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i always check the first boon and give up and see what i wana do based on that

mint coral
acoustic bolt
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what is mom pom

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maybe it's akeepsake i don't have yet

mint coral
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Have you reached credits?

pastel monolith
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ya u get it late in the game its real name is pom blossom

acoustic bolt
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i don't think i have

latent moon
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if you haven't gotten 10 wins yet you probably dont have it yet

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not probably, you definitely dont have it yet lol

acoustic bolt
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i think i have like 7

latent moon
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almost there then

acoustic bolt
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🙂

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next run is with spear. i'm just going where the dark thirst is

pastel monolith
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always lol

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but now im finaly unseen one so i dont need darkness anymore

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after nearly 700hrs of playing haha

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im finaly free

acoustic bolt
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is that an achievement for maxing out the mirror?

latent moon
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see that's a goal i kind of want to get to but that's just so much

mint coral
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Is a resource sink basically

latent moon
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post credits thing that if you want to complete will make you play the game a couple hundred more hours

acoustic bolt
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oh cool

pastel monolith
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its nice of them to give u meaningless things to keep building up

latent moon
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i thought 25k was a lot to get the theme and now i have to get like another 300k or something lmfao

pastel monolith
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lol

acoustic bolt
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they could make dlcs. add more gods and weapons and more locations. that'll keep people playing longer :p

pastel monolith
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theres a mod for apollo as a god

acoustic bolt
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this is essentially the binding of isaac with better combat and less broken synergies XD

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so switching locations and adding stuff is basically the same formula

acoustic bolt
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i donno if it matters though

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have any of you played with the other mods that add content? like hte one that lets you befriend the champions?

pastel monolith
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im on xbox i cant use mods sadly, i just know from streamers

mint coral
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I just use the speedrun modpack

latent moon
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bro i need 289.5k darkness to max out the titles lmfao

mint coral
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Tho i wanna use aspect fusion

acoustic bolt
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what is that

signal aspen
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new mod that fuses all aspects of each weapon together

warm nimbus
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yeah aspect fusion seems fun lol

acoustic bolt
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how does that work with weapons that change specials

mint coral
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Uses the "best" one as a base

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Shield uses zeus shield for example

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Rail uses the luci attack and special

warm nimbus
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bruh

latent moon
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where does hestia fit in the rail then

warm nimbus
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they used the worst one 😔

mint coral
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It also adfs the normal rail as a support fire alike

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So while shooting the laser seeking bullets also shoot

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So reloading makes those empowered

signal aspen
latent moon
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supporting fire but good

signal aspen
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you can see the previews at the bottom

latent moon
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oh i see

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thanks

acoustic bolt
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oh btw, are there any hints in the game about how to find the secret aspects?

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or do you just stumble upon them

signal aspen
mint coral
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Stumble upon them

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If you keeo upgrading/unlocking aspects is bound to happen

acoustic bolt
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ok cool

latent moon
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yo in the previews skelly is invincible lmao

leaden karma
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I have a question

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i used to play hades on ps4 and got quite far but now i just got hades on my pc and dont have my ps4 save. is there any way i can carry over my ps4 save to my pc copy?

void vigil
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unfortunately, no 😔

leaden karma
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damn

south mountain
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if I want to do all achievements on hades

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is there something I really should be looking out for / doing now?

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so I don't get stuck for a particular thing at the end?

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I'm at ~45 clears right now

void vigil
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there is no way to get stuck with no 100%

patent mesa
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make sure you're getting to ely consistently and taking patty to progress that

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and obv talking to both as much as you can

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maxing out keepsakes is an achievement I think so you'll wanna start taking random keepsakes in styx when winning is guaranteed

latent moon
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Beating hades doesn't count towards any achievements does it

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Because if it doesn't then even if winning isn't guaranteed just take a random one and take all the chambers

patent mesa
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I wouldn't throw a run in styx just for some achievement progression

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hence recommending only taking random stuff if it won't make you lose

void vigil
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it does, it counts for the clearing a run achievement, and, yknow, the main story achievements. also some prophecies achievements

latent moon
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Well at this point if you're aiming for achievements you should've already finished a few runs and reached the credits

onyx linden
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Im imagining a version of the game where james woods voices hades

patent mesa
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I played wayyy too cautiously given that I was up against 10chill FO0 dad

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even if he was superdad

raw herald
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What is this

patent mesa
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"worst 32 pact"

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LC4 EM4 RI4 JS2 CP2 TD3

warm nimbus
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ah, yes

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very close, so sad

patent mesa
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it was super fun regardless I'll keep running it back

raw herald
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What aspect are you trying with

patent mesa
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bad rng in getting nat pos

warm nimbus
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hesty

raw herald
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Makes sense

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That’s a pretty horrid pact ngl

patent mesa
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the point of it is bumrushing stubborn roots

warm nimbus
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yeah lol

patent mesa
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sadly that requires toothing up

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which really sucks

warm nimbus
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and td3 also nerfs stubborn roots

patent mesa
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yeah I didn't realize time would be such an issue

raw herald
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May try this with zagshield

gray apex
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Make it JS0 DC2 instead

patent mesa
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I wasted about a minute hanging out in styx regaining hp which was a mistake

gray apex
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Now who's running hesty

raw herald
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Lightning strike

patent mesa
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lmao if you were trying to counterpact me DC2 would be awful

warm nimbus
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yeah but that makes it ez on other aspects

patent mesa
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I guess you'd zeus

warm nimbus
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dc2 more free on zeus than js2

patent mesa
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zeus hard though, hesty easy

warm nimbus
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true

raw herald
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Just turtle

warm nimbus
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what would be worst 40?

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ap2 dc2 hl1?

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ap2 hl3?

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or fo2 hl2

patent mesa
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worst 40 would 100% include AP2 imo

warm nimbus
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maybe ap2 dc2 js3

patent mesa
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I think you can get some mileage out of HL

warm nimbus
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the thing is though is that from 32 to 40 you can either buff enemies or just crazy nerf builds

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not both

patent mesa
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true

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I was thinking maybe drop JS and do HL4 FO2

raw herald
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Worst 64?

patent mesa
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DC64

warm nimbus
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lmao

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imagine cp64

raw herald
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TD64

patent mesa
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PL64 bouldy

warm nimbus
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well td64 is just physically imposs8ble

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actually wait

vague mesa
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anyone know any uhh, not obvious tips for dodging attacks?

warm nimbus
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td64 you splash dash start and time dashes ro not get hit by td

latent moon
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frame perfect dashes lmao

warm nimbus
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play gilga for dashes and rr

patent mesa
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unless they're splitters lol

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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wrong

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dodging attacks requires pixel and frame perfection

warm nimbus
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pixel? hmm

patent mesa
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that's why no hades run has ever been completed by an unassisted human

warm nimbus
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lmao

patent mesa
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you suggested FO21 right?

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let me try it

warm nimbus
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try cp63 td1

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free 64 heat ngl

patent mesa
warm nimbus
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dude i wonder what the highest heat you could do with aspect fusion is

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i think i could easily do like high 50s

patent mesa
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FO21 is god tier bruh

mint coral
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the beyblades zaglol

latent moon
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jesus christ lmfao

safe tinsel
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Imagine losing a run to the furies

warm nimbus
safe tinsel
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All I can say to this person is 'bruh chill'

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They're going so close to alecto

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So she's just piling on the damage

latent moon
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issue is that beowulf needs to charge and putting in more distance means longer charge

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you need to get relatively close in order to actually shoot and hit the shot

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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indeed it was

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should've taken the block buff one

warm nimbus
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yeah

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wouldve been free additive lol

latent moon
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did you have the faster charge for bull rush hammer?

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sudden rush or whatever

rustic vale
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Best part about ferocious guard isn’t the free damage, it’s the move speed

patent mesa
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nope

patent mesa
signal aspen
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Lmao

latent moon
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would sudden rush help so you can actually hit the shot or no lmao

warm nimbus
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no

rustic vale
warm nimbus
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sudden rush isnt helpful there

warm nimbus
patent mesa
rustic vale
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🧠

patent mesa
gray apex
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I wanna complete a run with this

patent mesa
latent moon
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nice world record

mint coral
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There is a run history wipe in the speedrun server iirc

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Or in resources in src

warm nimbus
lean timber
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nice 64 heat unseeded clear bro

warm nimbus
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also wtf is that pstatus

patent mesa
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PS >>> FF in this case

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since every enemy was boss hp getting multistatus was trivial

warm nimbus
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oh true

patent mesa
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I had forgotten how satisfying the sound design for PS is tbh

latent moon
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do cp 64

patent mesa
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really nice stuff

warm nimbus
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makes me want to run a fun build that could use pstatus

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like zap fists or smth

patent mesa
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wdym isn't chiron fun

warm nimbus
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no

patent mesa
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yeah true

warm nimbus
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lmao

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besides i only like hr chiron

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dio chiron is 🤮

patent mesa
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hm

warm nimbus
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its so boring

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like i love dot stacking in almost every game i play but in hades it sucks

lean timber
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i love chiron easily top 5 favorite aspects

patent mesa
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oh I know

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try gilgy PS

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aphro attack pos dash

warm nimbus
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hmm

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maybe

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get rupture?

patent mesa
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yep

warm nimbus
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the problem is i need to unlock gilgamesh for that lol

patent mesa
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you have RR so that'll tide you over until PS gets online

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bruh

warm nimbus
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lmao

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i dont have gilgamesh talos or hades unlocked

rustic vale
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Rupture, sea storm and jolted tidal dash gilgi

patent mesa
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jealous

warm nimbus
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ive unlocked and tried everything else

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but those three i just meh

patent mesa
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hades sucks so bad tbh

warm nimbus
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hades is awful

patent mesa
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the game right

warm nimbus
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its just a worse version of achilles

warm nimbus
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achilles is a great roguelike tbh

patent mesa
rustic vale
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No flurry on hades shadegrief 🔫

lean timber
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quick spin massive spin on hades spear gg ez wp shake my hand skill issue L rip bozo

patent mesa
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only actual hades build that the aspect doesn't downgrade relative to another one is exploding launcher tbh

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cuz then you actually get debuffed special

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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🧠

patent mesa
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lol can you even massive spin gy

lean timber
warm nimbus
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yes

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it becomes huge

lean timber
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yes you can it's funny

rustic vale
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huge

patent mesa
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bruh

warm nimbus
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try it

rustic vale
patent mesa
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I'm usually running gy AP2 and actively avoiding second hammer lol

rustic vale
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Reason being?

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Also uh

patent mesa
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serrated = gg

rustic vale
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Run AP3 guan-yu like a chad instead

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Ngl seastorm guan-yu is one of the funnest runs I’ve ever had

patent mesa
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gy is probably one of the better AP3s

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actually does AP3 remove fixed hammer

rustic vale
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Just had the best idea

warm nimbus
rustic vale
warm nimbus
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why

rustic vale
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idk

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Building for getting hit seemed really stupid

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Hence why I called it

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a good idea

warm nimbus
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vengeful mood doesnt need you to get hit

rustic vale
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Yeah but

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Nevermind

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I had a brain deaden

lost ermine
lean timber
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i have all bow and shield aspects maxed, the other weapons have at least one aspect maxed

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pretty close to 100%ing tho

acoustic bolt
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aspect of zagreus spear. i have artemis special and demeter spell

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what do

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i'm not really sure where to build from there

patent mesa
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aphro attack

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then go for heart rend

lean timber
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mmmmm

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true

patent mesa
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also if you don't have exploding launcher it's gonna suck

latent moon
#

i had to use zag spear the other day to finish the hammers prophecy and dear god it was terrible without exploding launcher lmfao

lean timber
#

i have never ever ever taken zag spear on a run

#

i simply do not use standard spear special

latent moon
#

the ones that i were missing aren't compatible with guan yu or achilles beacuse they were chain skewer and something also special related

rustic vale
#

I can’t run the spears that aren’t guan-yu without remembering the good times

latent moon
#

lmao

#

achilles hunting blades is nice because you're doing minimal effort lol

rustic vale
#

I’ve had good achilles runs but none stand out

#

Super soaker but on guan-yu though

lean timber
#

don't even have the aspect

rustic vale
latent moon
#

high roll builds are the best whenever they work out lmao

lean timber
#

most of my builds end up high roll. legacy who?

latent moon
#

i think i've tried trippy beo once but i only got like +1 cast, no extra cast damage from chaos, and no mirage shot

#

so it was a splendid run lol

lean timber
#

when i play beo i will never not fiend chaos

#

every single well. mmmm light of ixion my beloved

latent moon
#

flashback to the time i got 8 casts in a run with beo but didn't know mirage shot made it deal double damage

#

i actually posted it on reddit and i looked back on it recently because we were talking about cast numbers somewhere and saw that @mint coral commented on it lol

lean timber
#

so i know the mirage shot oversight, what's the deal with poms? cuz i heard those are busted too... i think

rustic vale
#

Only on trippy flare

latent moon
#

poms are doubled on trippy yeah

mint coral
lean timber
#

oh.

#

oh my God.

mint coral
#

on trippy flare beo to be specific

#

hera doesnt get messed up pom scaling

latent moon
#

just beo things

lean timber
#

interesting.

rustic vale
#

Beowulf gaming

lean timber
#

beowulf gaming.

#

i'll have to try that

#

so... what, uh, what happens when you get the aphrodite/posideon duo with that build... 3x? or 4x?

warm nimbus
#

i mean with trippy beo as long as you get a few casts, mirage, and a good number of poms each volley can easy do a ridiculous amount of damage

lean timber
#

i need more power

warm nimbus
#

but thats a big as long as you get it

#

trippy beo is notorious for being a very highroll build

rustic vale
#

like

#

Ice wine or scillianting feast as well

#

Both and then prok priviledged status

lean timber
#

i don't know the meta very well

latent moon
#

i mean

#

you need more casts in general, mirage is gonna be a pain to get if you're not starting with pos/arty

#

poms are probably the least of your worries

lean timber
#

makes sense

rustic vale
#

Isn’t higher rarity worse on trippy flare

latent moon
#

trippy beo is probably like the one time you'd be upset to find +high cast dmg% instead of +cast from chaos lol

acoustic bolt
#

if i don't have the last spear what spear should i have taken?

latent moon
#

achilles

rustic vale
#

achilles

acoustic bolt
#

is that the dash one?

warm nimbus
#

mainly bc youre running stygian

#

so you literally have no casts to start lol

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

what's the plan for that one?

latent moon
#

generally cast builds

#

a good one is hunting blades

acoustic bolt
#

how does the dash interact with casting?

latent moon
#

crystal beams from demeter + one of her duos is good i think

rustic vale
#

+150% cast damage

latent moon
acoustic bolt
#

oh is that just text i missed entirely ok lol

rustic vale
#

Next 4 attacks or casts iirc

latent moon
#

so your casts are gonna do a bunch more damage

#

oh is it only those two

rustic vale
rustic vale
latent moon
#

generally cast builds are good with achilles because casts tend to deal a good chunk of damage to begin with

#

oh athena + zeus duo with athena cast is solid

#

athena's cast does considerable splash damage and damage to begin with, the zeus duo will let it bounce around for more damage

acoustic bolt
#

when doing cast builds do you just use the talent that regens it instead of having to dislodge the charge?

rustic vale
#

Uhh

latent moon
#

depends

rustic vale
#

Generally it’s more casts unless trippy flare beowulf

latent moon
#

for achilles i honestly don't know, but the dislodge one is better i think

rustic vale
#

plus hunting blades isn’t dislodge from anyways

latent moon
#

i think they mean like

#

the drop

#

instead of regen

#

waiting for the cast to drop/dislodge

rustic vale
#

Generally more cast start > recharge unless trippy beo

latent moon
#

makes sense

#

i forgot the name for the drop one, i think it's infernal

#

ik the regen is stygian lol

rustic vale
#

infernal versus stygian yeah

acoustic bolt
#

so you just cast and then melee until you can cast again

latent moon
#

special, recall the spear or rush to it, then cast

#

and since you have 3 casts and it boosts 4 of whatever, you can stab for a bit of extra damage lol

#

while your casts are going you can also special/attack whatever

acoustic bolt
#

dislodging is based on damage right?

latent moon
#

wdym

rustic vale
#

No

latent moon
#

the casts drop after a few seconds, idk how long

rustic vale
#

They fall out after a set period of time

acoustic bolt
#

ohhhh

#

i thought you had to do some amount of damage or they had to die

rustic vale
#

Set period of time or death

#

Whichever comes first

viscid snow
#

The duo boon that heals you 1 hp every 1 second is just nuts. Sit back relax and never die.

acoustic bolt
#

is cold embrace any good?

#

i could reroll and try to get heart rend instead but it just came up

lean timber
#

cold embrace is kind of

#

well it exists

#

and it helps if you like to position yourself between the crystal and your enemies

#

it's helpful if you don't have crystal clarity, but it's still nothing gamebreaking

acoustic bolt
#

i'm trying it and i hate it 😄

latent moon
viscid snow
#

Thats what I did. Sat behind the pilliars dashing around any attacks and just using cold cast and chill.

latent moon
#

How long was that run lmao

#

Because I don't think Demeter's cast does that much damage

rustic vale
#

It’s like

#

10 or something every not fast enough

viscid snow
#

It doesn't. I just am horrible with the rail and hate using it. It took 40 minutes.

latent moon
#

Based run

viscid snow
#

Who needs to use the weapon anyways?

rustic vale
latent moon
#

People who want to have their run less than 15 minutes

viscid snow
#

Most runs I have are faster.

#

I just hate the Rail.

rustic vale
#

but but but

#

Gun go pew pew

viscid snow
#

Needed to get it for the prophecy but now I can go back to punch 🙂

latent moon
#

did you have the right boons for the rail lmao

viscid snow
#

Don't know what they are

latent moon
#

generally the goal for rail is every zeus boon that aren't duos

#

zeus supporting boon*

viscid snow
#

I got Thunder Dash and Double Strike. Didn't find any other Zeus boons.

rustic vale
#

Clockets doesn’t use zeus boons I think

latent moon
#

that's why i corrected to zeus supporting boon

rustic vale
#

Not on special whoops

latent moon
#

zeus atk + every other zeus boon that isn't core

#

call is fine tho

#

i'd assume it'd be like zeus atk, aphrodite something, smair, and every zeus boon in existence

rustic vale
#

aphro special for those clockets bruh

latent moon
#

i mean that's not guaranteed

#

obv special would be ideal but if you dont get it just slap it on cast or something just to get smair

latent moon
viscid snow
#

I mean I finished the run either way. It did take to long but what can you do. Now I can just go back to Fists.

latent moon
#

lmao fair

#

what heat are you on for fists

#

and what general build

rustic vale
#

which fists are you using as well

viscid snow
#

I think 4 still newish to the game.

latent moon
#

that's cool

viscid snow
#

I like taking Artemis stuff especially Support Fire.

rustic vale
#

that’s fine

#

Uhhh

analog plover
#

Who plays keyboard here ?

latent moon
#

i do

analog plover
#

Havent tried controller yet

rustic vale
#

Artemis isn’t exactly… great on fists I think

lean timber
rustic vale
#

Take it once

#

Purely

#

For the prophecy

#

That’s the aphro/dem duo right?

latent moon
rustic vale
lean timber
#

artemis is kinda whatever on fists

#

not the proper goddess for it by any means but it works i guess

latent moon
#

specials might crit for big damage but there are better options imo

viscid snow
#

I'll start getting into better builds once I reach higher heats.

latent moon
lean timber
#

honestly my choice for fists? demeter

latent moon
#

the only choice tbh

rustic vale
#

Generally on demeter aspect fists I try to go dio atk/aphro special and arte cast to try to get all 3 duos

rustic vale
latent moon
#

lmao

lean timber
#

gilgamesh are not fists. they are their own beast lol

#

but yeah. love demeter for fists. goes so hard

rustic vale
#

gilgamesh 💪💪💪💪

latent moon
rustic vale
#

Chaos shield if it was one eigth as strong as demeter fists

latent moon
#

if only

viscid snow
#

I mean are there any good resources for best boons for each Aspect etc etc?

latent moon
#

there's a guide somewhere

rustic vale
#

uh

lean timber
#

no they do not exist

rustic vale
#

Yes

latent moon
#

i dont have the links for it tho lol

rustic vale
#

And I deleted it by accident from my safari on my phone

latent moon
#

but either way you're always welcome to ask here and someone can happily explain it for you

lean timber
#

except me. because apparently everything i do is wrong

latent moon
#

just dont go to reddit for help

lean timber
#

don't ask me

#

if i answer your questions i am joking

latent moon
#

i mean you probably have some idea of what's right lol

lean timber
#

i think by saying i enjoy hades spear that my advice becomes null and void

rustic vale
rustic vale
lean timber
#

reddit is good for one thing and it's not related to this server at all

rustic vale
latent moon
#

i remember seeing someone with tempest strike on sword lol

lean timber
#

me who not too long ago experimented with tempest strike beo and missed literally every single cast and lost because of it:

latent moon
#

based

rustic vale
#

Wait until they find out the pure joy of tempest strike sea storm guan-yu

lean timber
#

no i'm still salty about that because it was a run for heat and now i gotta do the ENTIRE THING AGAIN just to get a stupid blood

#

anger

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
#

it just knocks them out of the spinning thing and the sea storm goes off once

rustic vale
lean timber
rustic vale
#

It’s really good against bosses though

latent moon
#

the issue is getting to the boss

rustic vale
#

in my experience

latent moon
#

bosses dont get knocked back much so ofc it's fine

rustic vale
#

Why are you using the spin to clear rooms

lean timber
#

literally guan yu is built for big boss crushing

#

mmmmmmm....

latent moon
#

because i didn't have a good special

rustic vale
#

The special and dash strikes are there for you to get through rooms

latent moon
#

and also spin clearing rooms made sense because the spin was the thing that did big damage

latent moon
rustic vale
#

You spin clear if you have massive spin and quick spear

lean timber
#

at that point you're unstoppable and invincible

latent moon
#

or just dont use guan yu lmao

#

or spear in general

#

i think i have like 9 heat cleared on spear

rustic vale
#

guan-yu best spear

#

I have it cleared to like

#

11 or 12 heat

lean timber
#

🤨 🤨 🤨

#

what

#

i thought you guys were gamers

#

11 heat??

rustic vale
#

I am gamers

#

I don’t use spear

latent moon
rustic vale
#

imagine being a spear gamer

lean timber
#

fair enough i suppose

#

my highest is 6, which is my current lowest

#

lol

rustic vale
#

And also imagine not looking at the victories I post in victory gaming

latent moon
#

i was a bit set back because i sold my mirror for the chaos theme and i had to get my darkness back but now that that's done i can go back to bounties lol

lean timber
#

could not be me. all my victories are on my switch waiting to be sent somewhere

rustic vale
#

and seeing my highest heat is like 18, I just absorb info like a sponge so I can regurgitate it back out

lean timber
latent moon
#

lmfao

#

i wanted the theme

rustic vale
lean timber
#

small price to pay for chaos theme...

latent moon
#

i mean i got the same result just a bit backwards process

rustic vale
#

I just saved up my darkness for it

latent moon
#

i've maxed out the relevant stuff for mirror

rustic vale
#

I’ve maxed everything on mirror other then the dice

latent moon
#

which is everything except the opposite of dark foresight and fated authority

rustic vale
#

d4 and d20

latent moon
#

but now i'm in the dilemma of either finishing bounties or trying to finish the darkness sinkhole

#

the house inspector or whatever his name is

rustic vale
#

uhhh

#

Waiting so I can trade my titans blood for actually useful stuff from the trader now

latent moon
#

im on 20 heat for sword, then all i've got left is spear and rail for bounties

#

did you get the theme already?

rustic vale
#

Think so

#

Let me check

latent moon
#

i dont think there's anything else then

#

if not it'd probably be better to use the 10 titan blood on your aspects lol

rustic vale
#

I’ve got all my aspects maxed 🤨

latent moon
#

i will say that it's satisfying to have your aspects all maxed

#

oh wasn't aware lol

#

then at that point titan blood is useless

#

i think

lean timber
#

mmm been getting lucky with fishing in greece. two in a row babey

latent moon
#

after the theme there isn't anything else

latent moon
lean timber
#

bass, trout, sturgeon

latent moon
#

i'm missing the sturgeon

rustic vale
#

The only fish I don’t have maxxed is the chaos legendary

lean timber
#

ah the perfect catch fish huge L

latent moon
#

i got a damn voidskate from CHAOS before i got the sturgeon

lean timber
#

i don't have the chaos basic fish (mati)

#

i simply must fiend chaos even harder and intentionally fail to catch in time... fun...

rustic vale
lean timber
#

same

latent moon
#

oh i need to check my codex for that stuff

lean timber
#

i need to catch two more matis

latent moon
#

but tbh i'd be happy if it doesn't have the ????? anymore

rustic vale
#

Voidskate

#

That’s what it iss

lean timber
#

yeah the top tier fish

#

mmm

latent moon
#

i got that before sturgeon and i'm actually pissed lmao

lean timber
#

my codex is maxed except for the mati fish, erebus, red onion, loyalty card, and king vermin

#

as well as all bonds forged

latent moon
#

apparently i'm in the same bait with 2 more mati

lean timber
#

i need 1 more

#

mmmmmmmm chaos mmmmmmm

rustic vale
#

Sword thrust knocks back so hard it’s unusable

latent moon
#

just dont use the thrust lol

#

dash strike only

rustic vale
#

What am I supposed to do during that slim period where dash is on cooldown

#

Not hit the attack button

latent moon
#

special

#

esp if you're using nemesis

rustic vale
#

You don’t even want to know what aspect I’m using

latent moon
#

it's arthur isn't it

rustic vale
#

I was about to say I think I gave it away but

#

I didn’t

latent moon
#

what aspect are you using then

rustic vale
#

using 2nd best sword rn (behind arthur)

latent moon
#

pos sword?

#

based??

rustic vale
#

opposite of arthur

latent moon
#

lucifer

rustic vale
#

where arthur slow…

#

💀

latent moon
#

oh god zag sword lmfao

lean timber
#

ZAGREUS SWORD!!!

latent moon
#

honestly based

lean timber
#

zag sword my beloved

#

favorite sword aspect. if i may be so bold, i left all the others at level 1

latent moon
#

honestly it just sounds like you got scammed by skelly

lean timber
#

well i really ended up liking it

#

and the others use the special

#

i absolutely hate the sword special except in a few cases

latent moon
#

just do the weird thing with the special where you land where you dash lol

#

think of it as a weird dash strike

lean timber
#

nah i can't execute that well in the heat of battle

latent moon
#

it's easier than you think
hit the special and then spam the dash

rustic vale
#

I have purple greater haste rn w zag sword

latent moon
#

ayo where flurry slash

rustic vale
#

Who needs dash when you can just

#

go fast

rustic vale
latent moon
#

rip

rustic vale
#

It was flurry slash, hoarding slash or cursed slash tbf

latent moon
#

i mean flurry would've been funny at this point

#

but fair choice still

rustic vale
#

Tbf

#

I would’ve taken it if I had known +10% attack speed would show up later in the run

lean timber
#

WHY IS THE GAME GIVING ME BARGE OF DEATH OVER AND OVER

#

I HAVE HAD

rustic vale
#

/j

lean timber
#

the BARGE OF DEATH

#

EIGHT TIMES IN A ROW

rustic vale
#

Getting angry why?

celest sedge
#

when do i get aspects

#

pls

#

tell

#

need help

rustic vale
#

At some point

lean timber
#

i hate the stupid barge.

celest sedge
#

i have 3 blood titan

lean timber
#

you have to leave twice

#

i think?

rustic vale
#

Uhhh

celest sedge
rustic vale
#

I don’t think you actually have to win to unlock aspects

#

Aspects become available one run after the Adamant Rail/Exagryph/the gun has been unlocked and the player has collected at least one Titan Blood.

lean timber
#

ah

#

never mind then!

celest sedge
#

SO CLOSE FOR ASPECTS

#

THEN

rustic vale
#

ngl

#

I legit quick looked that up

#

on the wiki

celest sedge
#

lol

#

but thx

#

@rustic vale i just need 2 more keys for the rail

#

and i have 4 blood

rustic vale
#

Great

#

Gun go pew pew

celest sedge
#

lol

#

ok grinding time

lean timber
#

gun

celest sedge
#

btw what should i upgrade with the titan blood? wich weapon?

lean timber
#

that entirely depends on what you are good at

rustic vale
#

Obviously zag sword gets maxed first /j

celest sedge
#

mhm

celest sedge
lean timber
#

ah yes. one of my own kin.

rustic vale
#

No no no no no

#

Not seriously

lean timber
#

zag sword is a GREAT first introduction to aspects.

latent moon
#

Zag sword is just worse nemesis

lean timber
#

i highly recommend it.

latent moon
lean timber
#

ratio

latent moon
#

I mean it's not bad but like

#

The fun part of aspects are the gimmicky new stuff imo

lean timber
#

remember that convo we had 30 minutes ago about how i'm always wrong? bouldy

latent moon
#

Anything not zag is fine tbh

latent moon
#

If you're good at zag sword then nemesis is probably something you'd want to try out if you want a new aspect

#

Zag sword makes your attacks faster but you're not attacking you're dash attacking so it's just not useful lol

rustic vale
#

Oh

#

Btw

#

Demeter is the only fists aspect worth anything

latent moon
#

True

rustic vale
#

aside from gilgamesh but that’s a different story

lean timber
#

kind of true

latent moon
#

However

#

With Talos you can give skelly a nice view

lean timber
#

this mf is probably looking at the convo not understanding a single bit of it atp

latent moon
#

Heck yeah buddy

#

This is why you join the discord and ask questions after you've finished the game lmao

rustic vale
#

Just like me fr

lean timber
#

just like me...

rustic vale
#

…?

celest sedge
lean timber
#

so true

celest sedge
#

what ever u enjoy

#

and what ur good at

lean timber
#

don't listen to any of us. read the descriptions of the aspects, ask questions about it if you're confused, and let you decide for yourself

latent moon
#

Yeah exactly lol

rustic vale
#

Well

#

some stuff is objective

lean timber
#

no

rustic vale
#

zag sword isn’t helping you more then nemesis

#

Guan-yu is the best spear objectively

#

Etcetera etcetera

latent moon
#

like everyone agrees chaos, talos, and hades aspect aren't good

#

zag sword is probably in there too

lean timber
#

um

#

erm

latent moon
#

hey just because you enjoy it doesn't mean it's good lol

rustic vale
latent moon
#

lmfao

lean timber
#

yet another day of being discriminated in the supergiant games discord...

celest sedge
rustic vale
#

It’s special spear

#

Spoilers

celest sedge
#

oh ok

#

no i rember i used to play hades but i quit

latent moon
#

did you restart

rustic vale
lean timber
#

but it's

#

it's an opinion bouldy

#

opinions can't be wrong that's what my mommy told me!!

celest sedge
latent moon
#

there are multiple instances where opinions can be wrong lmao

latent moon
celest sedge
lean timber
#

name one

celest sedge
latent moon
lean timber
latent moon
#

because there are some opinions in the world that are not very savory lol

#

anyways

latent moon
#

you're never using your normal atk so zag aspect isn't really useful

celest sedge
#

MY ASPECTS UNLOCKWED

latent moon
#

nice

celest sedge
#

I HAVE 4 BLOOD

#

nemisi or posiden

lean timber
#

only need one more for z

latent moon
#

nemesis

#

poseidon isn't bad

#

it's just

celest sedge
latent moon
#

not your typical sword lol

celest sedge
#

lvl 2 sword

#

les go

latent moon
#

arty atk, aphro special, heart rend, then win

#

get those big boi crits

rustic vale
celest sedge
#

mhm i used to love nemsis

lean timber
#

nobody disrespects my mother but me.

rustic vale
latent moon
#

i used to only play poseidon until i realized i had enough titan blood to level up nemesis and found that nemesis works better lol

celest sedge
latent moon
celest sedge
#

gtg

latent moon
#

but arty atk gives you more chances to crit

celest sedge
#

I GOT ZEUS

#

MF

latent moon
#

someone didn't change their keepsake

lean timber
#

just switch weapons bouldy

latent moon
#

or that

rustic vale
celest sedge
rustic vale
#

Uh

#

Aphrodite or artemis tbh

latent moon
#

artemis or aphrodite

#

then switch to the other in asphodel

celest sedge
latent moon
celest sedge
#

thx for help i am trash

latent moon
#

but a 45% chance to crit on the attack is a lot

rustic vale
#

or try shackle nemesis gaming