h1-discussion

[warm nimbus]

bc you stop firing at like 3 ammo to manually reload then cancel into a... cast i think?

[patent mesa]

delta eris is actually brainless

[lean timber]

i hate you now

[warm nimbus]

this is why i can never play hestia

[lean timber]

viscerally

[hollow sun]

lmao

[warm nimbus]

i cant reload cancel well at all

[hollow sun]

i get that a lot

[humble iron]

not because rama is good i just think its fun

[latent moon]

i thought rama was fun until i turned on fo2

[patent mesa]

what a coincidence that rama is also really good

nice

[hollow sun]

fair but there are so many more options

[lean timber]

me reload cancelling into both of my dashes and running directly into hades sweep attack lmaoooo

[lean timber]

keyboard mouse player detected

switch users have no such weaknesses

[mint coral]

Not a lot of options have that chunky dmg from a twin/perfecr power shots

[warm nimbus]

!??!?!

[latent moon]

well it's more like
utilizing triple/twin shot is just difficult for a slow draw time and when you have to get close
and those two hammers are objectively the best rama hammers

[hollow sun]

right but in general it feels like the other bow aspects have more to offer other than zag

[warm nimbus]

fo2 is really hard on rama lol

[mint coral]

Nah triple sucks

[latent moon]

twin is easier since you have some distance but triple shot you're literally on top of them

[lean timber]

triple shot is funny as h*ck sometimes but generally i prefer twin

[humble iron]

what is fo2

[mint coral]

Forced overtime 2

[hollow sun]

forced overtime 2

[latent moon]

everything is 40% faster

[humble iron]

ok

[latent moon]

20% per rank

spawning, projectiles, attacks

movement

[hollow sun]

but gives good heat

[lean timber]

twin shot power shot for rama. anything else is suboptimal. triple shot isn't great at heat for above reasons lmao

[mint coral]

I dont even remember how is fo0 lol

[patent mesa]

*repulse shot

[hollow sun]

triple shot is good if u know how to use it well

[humble iron]

yeah i know just didnt know what the acronym was

[lean timber]

slow as h*ck

[latent moon]

when you can get a perfect triple shot off on an enemy they just get deleted lol

[lean timber]

the game is witch timed essentially

[hollow sun]

right but it fells so rare

[lean timber]

erm

[patent mesa]

repulse shot best shot

[mint coral]

*relentless volley

[lean timber]

i hate this place lmao

my personal punishment

[warm nimbus]

sniper shot is so good

[latent moon]

"okay so if i see that hades is about to swing so i'll iframe dash. crap i dashed way too early because of no fo2"

[warm nimbus]

i love it\

[hollow sun]

lol

[warm nimbus]

best hammer

[mint coral]

Ok, too far

[latent moon]

so is that enemy you just hit with sniper shot

[mint coral]

🔫

[lean timber]

sniper shot is fun.

[hollow sun]

send him to the gallows

[warm nimbus]

sniper shot just sucks

lmao

[lean timber]

sniper shot power shot. brain: gone

[hollow sun]

sniper shot is ass cheeks

[mint coral]

Snioer and distant memory just exists

[lean timber]

sniper shot triple shot power shot ❤️

[warm nimbus]

distant memory second worst keepsake ngl

[hollow sun]

true

[patent mesa]

did you know that repulse shot is so op all the rama speedrun and heat players have collectively agreed to never take it during runs

check leaderboard if you don't believe me

[lean timber]

unfair advantage, yeah i figure

[mint coral]

Now where is that rama guide...

[lean timber]

pretty busted option

[latent moon]

just combine them, they're bound to be good together

[patent mesa]

yeah hades players are nothing if not honorable

[lean timber]

TRUE. i know i am

lol

[mint coral]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/

There it is

Enjoy

[hollow sun]

now we can all put our opinions to rest for the outdated guide

[lean timber]

is this satire

this is a certified TheGamer moment

[patent mesa]

no

[mint coral]

Idk, you tell me

[latent moon]

The best Rama build involves getting Ares attack and Athena Special+Dash for the duo Merciful End.
For hammer, you really want Repulse Shot.

honestly

based

[patent mesa]

it's straight facts

[mint coral]

For the truth, just a meme
Check their eris guide tho

That one is legit

[hollow sun]

the problem with merciful end is u can slap it on rly anything and its still good

[lean timber]

i can't take anything written by this human seriously

[lean timber]

merciful end rail. mmmm....

[hollow sun]

feels kind of brainless

ok besides that'

[latent moon]

just get dire misfortune lmao

[hollow sun]

exactly

[mint coral]

Legit a thing on spread fire zag rail

On others is more of a meme

[hollow sun]

case in point

[mint coral]

Can we go back in time and delete ME

[hollow sun]

even on the most unthinkable thing its still kind of possible

[lean timber]

merciful end shield sounds like hell

[mint coral]

MEus is great

[lean timber]

merciful end zag sword honestly is a lot of fun and one of my favorite builds

[latent moon]

the rama guide centers itself around "this weapon is just garbage" and it's hilarioius lmao

[hollow sun]

so true

it feels like all these guides are just either outdated or state the obvious

and very rarae few are usefull

[lean timber]

rail guide: "this weapon is good for distant play. stay from enemies and shoot them."
shield/beo guides: [ancient dialect and code snippets]

[mint coral]

I want to read the new fista guide but at the same time i dont wanna play fists

Still missing sword and fists sub 10

[warm nimbus]

ive been running rama wrong my whole life

ill try that build tmrw

[hollow sun]

gn im too tired to talk anymore

[warm nimbus]

but its so funny just putting it on everything

[latent moon]

ME chiron

[mint coral]

No

[warm nimbus]

i really wish there were more aspects that worked differently to try stupid ME builds

i still need to try dire misfortune lucifer

actually ill do that rn

so sad that you cant pom misfortune

[patent mesa]

wait I was thinking of doing that too

[warm nimbus]

yoo

[patent mesa]

what heat you thinking

40 sounds rough

[warm nimbus]

im just doing fo2 em2 lol

[patent mesa]

smh

[warm nimbus]

then i might try heat

[patent mesa]

I'll do 32

do we meme with eternal

I think so

[warm nimbus]

yes

actually ill also do 32

sounds funny

[patent mesa]

race you

[warm nimbus]

alr im going lol

maybe i shouldnt do td3

doing it anyway though

[latent moon]

lmfao

[patent mesa]

are you doing DD

[warm nimbus]

no

only running hl1

strong drink lc4 gaming

actually aid not bad

common misfortune 😔

[lean timber]

hate hate hate hate hate

[patent mesa]

I got epic doom and misfortune

cracked

[warm nimbus]

dude this is a dysfunctional build lmao

im probably going to time out at some point

[patent mesa]

man I'm zooming though

epic boons good

3:22 left leaving tart

[warm nimbus]

4:27

[patent mesa]

oh I'm also gonna do no special boon

and ddash

[warm nimbus]

im going for me lol

[patent mesa]

wtf

not cool

running high heat SD makes you so reckless

[lean timber]

stubborn defiance after party gaming

[patent mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/CQAoSwO.png lol 716d dooms

I love low heat

[acoustic bolt]

damn i just lost that eris rail sea storm run with second phase hades at like 5%

[warm nimbus]

7:51 leaving aspho

[acoustic bolt]

-sigh-

[warm nimbus]

lucky rarity you bastard

[patent mesa]

lmao ik

epic attack, dire, impending

broken

[latent moon]

lmfao that's amazing

[warm nimbus]

i died in elysium

lets go

[patent mesa]

bruh

[lost ermine]

did you have fun running me

[warm nimbus]

that was less fun than i was expecting

i think itd be better if aim at cursor was on actually

so im going to try that

[patent mesa]

I was considering that

but cursor off lets you do funny big doom easier

[warm nimbus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/995937131094614056/unknown.png?width=854&height=670

i love gods pride

[lost ermine]

just reset lmao

[warm nimbus]

and keepsake

it totally works

[lost ermine]

30% for rare on each slot and 25% for epic on each slot for pride

good odds

[warm nimbus]

yeah but also like i have the keepsake

so thats 50% and 45%

[lost ermine]

rare is actually 10% base odds

[latent moon]

just take OF instead of DF so you have a greater chance at rare boons duh

[lost ermine]

i think

[patent mesa]

yo this build is hilarious

[latent moon]

putting ME/doom on any build is hilarious ngl

i put doom on chiron earlier today and it was great

[lost ermine]

try speed builds

[lean timber]

the mere thought of merciful end lucifer makes me violent.

[patent mesa]

it's not even ME

[lost ermine]

403.2% base movement speed

[patent mesa]

it's literally just dire misfortune gaming

[latent moon]

big doom numbers go wheee

[lean timber]

my first lucy run was misfortune

[patent mesa]

let me share a vid

[warm nimbus]

this is like anti fun lol

[latent moon]

i just feel i'd walk right into traps at that point

[patent mesa]

just you wait

[lost ermine]

i got that in aspho and my game can't keep up with my speed

too bad no RD

would've been a fat sub9 or even sub8 if i got it in ely

[patent mesa]

https://streamable.com/21jvj1

[lost ermine]

i was 180% faster than normal speed without ichors

[latent moon]

big doom numbers

[lost ermine]

32 with DD

[patent mesa]

I like DD on 32

safer vs dad

[warm nimbus]

ok youre clearly cheating

my doom was proccing for like 400

[lean timber]

NO NO NO NO

i just took an erebus gate and the EXIT GATES ARE LITERALLY ASYMMETRICAL

i'm sobbing.

[acoustic bolt]

to be honest i was getting a cramp with the dashing lol

maybe i need to change my controller setup

[strong ridge]

play too much syndrome

[lost ermine]

play on kbm 😎

[acoustic bolt]

more like worked in data entry for a decade syndrome

[latent moon]

having the dash at a convenient button is generally a good idea lol

[lost ermine]

(don't play on kbm)

[warm nimbus]

kbm is so good tho

[acoustic bolt]

you would have to pay me to kbm

[latent moon]

default for kbm is space i believe but i rebound it to shift at the start for some reason and i like it

[warm nimbus]

shift is way bette

[acoustic bolt]

my dash is RT

[warm nimbus]

r

[acoustic bolt]

which is where i put it in most games

but you don't dash quite as much in other games XD

[latent moon]

okay cool i thought that was weird because like the space bar is a huge button so it would make sense logically

[warm nimbus]

???

that doesnt even make any sense

[strong ridge]

it does

i get it

[latent moon]

big button = important feature
important feature = dash

[strong ridge]

makes less now

[latent moon]

yeah i thought about it a bit longer after i sent it and realized it was worse

[strong ridge]

my logic is hard to miss button

[warm nimbus]

if thats the case you should put attack on spacebar

[strong ridge]

also space generally being jump

[patent mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/4Z37asM.png lol

[warm nimbus]

nice lmao

[latent moon]

yeah that's what i was going for lol

[latent moon]

honestly i want to try a run with just keyboard and see what happens lol

[warm nimbus]

i got common attack like 5 times in a row so i gave up

another reason i hate ME builds is that theyre duo based and rarity based which is awful

[acoustic bolt]

is support fire bad?

i had it on this sea storm build, and it hit a lot but i'm not sure if it was really that much damage

[warm nimbus]

its ok, can add some dps to your build but its not necessarily amazing

[acoustic bolt]

what about pressure points

[warm nimbus]

pressure points is ok, again, adds damage to your build but never an amazing amount

[strong ridge]

prple pp is cool stuff

[latent moon]

those are nice if you want to get fully loaded tho lol

[warm nimbus]

yeah but the only time you want fully loaded is on cast builds

and that never happens anyway

[patent mesa]

pressure points kinda good

some aspects can abuse pp + mark for big damage

[warm nimbus]

true

[lean timber]

me using and abusing my 4% chance into an epic marked for a never ending string of crits at least once a play session

do hammers follow a distribution table or are they random like all the other boons?

[patent mesa]

should be random

if eligible all have equal likelihood

ok I recorded dire memefortune styx

it's hilarious

[acoustic bolt]

mark?

[patent mesa]

https://streamable.com/a463js

dad fight at 2:30

[acoustic bolt]

what is happening

[warm nimbus]

ok wtf is that meg

you do realize youre supposed to dash on top of it to meg, right?

not wait for it to ram you in the face lmao

[patent mesa]

I'm stupid and bad at meg

missed both in vid lol

[warm nimbus]

bruh that second one is even more painful

i hate when that happens lol

[patent mesa]

you know somehow I think HL3 would've been better than DC2

[warm nimbus]

yeah dc was worse than i was expecting with no zeus lol

also no damage ramping sucks lol

lucifer is definitely my least favorite rail

[patent mesa]

:(

you take that back

[warm nimbus]

no

eris best <3

[patent mesa]

fine

[warm nimbus]

lucifer worst

[patent mesa]

but lucy >>> zag

[warm nimbus]

eris>hestia>zag>>>>>lucifer

lucifer is like down in hell compared to the others

[patent mesa]

@ Mods

ban for lucy slander

[lost ermine]

lucy bad but the funny water gun is funny

[patent mesa]

lucy good >:(

[warm nimbus]

@ mods ban snap nova one hundred and twenty nine for liking the most uncomfortable aspects in the game

[patent mesa]

triple bomb tho

[warm nimbus]

so based

[patent mesa]

what's more comfortable than instaphasing furies with one hammer and special boon

[warm nimbus]

instaphasing furies with a rocket crit to the face for 900 damage

[patent mesa]

that's a crit smh

[warm nimbus]

NO WHAT IS THAT NAME

WHY\

[patent mesa]

lol

[warm nimbus]

anyway instaphasing furies with beo p comfy

instaphasing furies with hera p comfy

[patent mesa]

better?

[lost ermine]

more based takes from val herself:

-rama sucks
-nem is the best weapon in the game and i don't take any suggestions
-zeus shield sucks unless you're angel or baj
-people only use hestia for hitless these days
-every fist aspect is the same but talos is still bestlos
-guan ME > normal guan yu

[warm nimbus]

yes

zeus shield kinda fun tho

[patent mesa]

those aren't based takes

[lost ermine]

time to get cancelled playing hades

[patent mesa]

they're just sus

[lost ermine]

what

lmao

[warm nimbus]

yeah those are weird takes ngl

[lost ermine]

i'm just a nem main

i mean uhhh

[warm nimbus]

although angel is pretty based

i hope she fell asleep

[patent mesa]

always has been

[lost ermine]

plot twist angel is running 62heat zeus again

wait that's not a plot twist that's what she's always doing

[patent mesa]

how many unseeded 62s are there

[warm nimbus]

i wonder if any mods are watching us rn

hi mods

[lost ermine]

3

i think

or 4

baj had one a chinese speedrun had one, angel had a couple at least

[patent mesa]

how many non zeus?

I heard zagshield did one

[warm nimbus]

uhhhhhh lets see theres angel 62 zeus angel 62 zag angel 62 zag mirrorless angel baj 62 zeus and then an unmodded one somewhere i think?

[lost ermine]

lmaoooooooo

[patent mesa]

unmodded 62

bruh

[warm nimbus]

angel has 3 62 clears i think lol

[lost ermine]

you're just asking for it at this point

[lost ermine]

5 in total in the world then

[warm nimbus]

maybe?

i feel like theres more

[patent mesa]

is unmodded zeus as well

[lost ermine]

unless there's a hades prodigy somewhere who cleared max heat in a month of playtime and then said "easy game" and just uninstalled it

[warm nimbus]

anyway that mirrorless one is damn impressive

[patent mesa]

agreed

CP1 LC3?

[warm nimbus]

lc2

[patent mesa]

damn

[warm nimbus]

need healing with no sd lol

[lost ermine]

seeded 64 heat though

wait how many 64 seeded runs are there

just 1 i think?

[warm nimbus]

ah ykc is the person who did unmodded 62

[short kernel]

anyone know why this might happen? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743191604935917684/995946206423425024/Screen_Shot_2022-07-10_at_11.54.25_PM.png

[warm nimbus]

yeah just 1 lol

[warm nimbus]

forced event

[patent mesa]

zeus right

[short kernel]

ohh
is it the fishing one

[warm nimbus]

happens once ever

yes

[lost ermine]

story progression i think

[short kernel]

ic

[warm nimbus]

yeah lmao

[patent mesa]

so at 62 the only weapon left is shield

interesting

not unexpected

[lost ermine]

imagine if baj comes back one day randomly and then just post a screenshot of a 64 heat clear

[short kernel]

posts 64 heat clear
refuses to elaborate
leaves

[patent mesa]

is there any diversity at 61

[lost ermine]

what do you expect bullrush gives you iframes and blocking negates almost everything damage source

[patent mesa]

maybe eris?

[lost ermine]

people don't do 61 i think

too awkward

[warm nimbus]

i think so lol

[patent mesa]

surely CP1 makes a difference

[warm nimbus]

rama has 61 i think

rama close

[patent mesa]

oh rama yeah

[short kernel]

is 62 everything except the last RI?

[patent mesa]

handling DC2 good

[lost ermine]

yeah

[short kernel]

makes sense

[lost ermine]

and the 2nd mirror healing upgrade is useless anyways so you get backstab/first strike buff and sd

[patent mesa]

wtf no

dark regen is op

[lost ermine]

oh nvm

[patent mesa]

in fact the only reason RI4 is hard is you lose epic healing with bouldy darkness

[lost ermine]

i forgot about that totally

only?

[warm nimbus]

actually wait rama might be 60

[lost ermine]

SD?

[warm nimbus]

idk

[patent mesa]

SD sucks, bouldy dark regen healing best healing

[lost ermine]

based

now do lucifer 62 heat run

[patent mesa]

lol I wish

[short kernel]

when I was watching the 64 heat routed I was like "so do they just not take damage"
watches to end of video
"...yes"

[patent mesa]

baj good?

[warm nimbus]

anyway if theres anyone who is looking back at this how many 62 heat clears are there

[patent mesa]

let's get the british guy in here

@raw herald how many 62s and 61s are there

[warm nimbus]

is he awake?

and is he british?

and also jesus christ its 3am i need to sleep

[patent mesa]

idk I just like pinging him

[warm nimbus]

anyway i should just ask in speedcord lol

[patent mesa]

true

[lean timber]

just got my first sub 20, 7 heat. cool to see i'm capable anyway

[raw herald]

I think there’s 6 or 7 unmodded

[lean timber]

does COL have any effect at all when using merciful end? if the doom is activated right away, it's not going to work. any bonus for having it or anything?

[lost ermine]

COL?

[raw herald]

No bonus whatsoever

[raw herald]

Curse of longing

[lost ermine]

i have no idea what that is lmao

[lean timber]

it's a garbage duo boon that i can never find any use for

gets overshadowed by nearly every boon at its caliber so badly that it's pretty actively avoided usually

it's good to sell tho

[lost ermine]

try curse of drowning

[quartz tendon]

What does it do?

[lean timber]

curse of drowning is a joke

[lost ermine]

i got it while going for beo pb once

it does damage? i guess?? but the radius is like so small you have to put yourself in the face of people to hit them

also damage comes out so slow

[lean timber]

curse of longing keeps activating doom effects against weak opponents. so if your doom damage is 100, it will activate at 100, then 50, then 25 automatically. it's okay in some instances but other duos just kind of make it garbage

i thought curse of drowning would be funny for a sword build but even then it's almost useless

[lost ermine]

love how hades have like some duo boons that break the game and others are absolutely garbage

[lean timber]

honestly i think all the duo boons are in check

sure merciful end can be made extremely strong and smoldering air can be abused righteously, but they're the combined might of the olympians. i think it's fair that they're a little broken

[lost ermine]

??? mirage shot???

best duo in the game super broken just because beo exists

[lean timber]

i didn't say some weren't garbage lmao

yeah it's broken in that specific instance but other aspects it's kind of meh. that one's not an issue on the whole of it

[quartz tendon]

Also because of the bug that makes the second shot deal full damage instead of 30%

[lean timber]

that's on beo that's what makes it good

[lost ermine]

that's what i said

beo

and hera i guess if you're running dio hera but who does that except me

[lean timber]

i mean dio hera is objectively a strong build but i won't run it lol. i'll stick to dem fists and rama

[lost ermine]

play nem pls

it's like fists but with crits

[lean timber]

nemesis goes hard in theory i've never played it tho

i haven't even maxed it tbh

i'm working on maxing zeus shield rn

[lost ermine]

nem is good in practice it's just that sword is hardest weapon to master in hades

[lean timber]

*is the least effective

[lost ermine]

sword slander

[quartz tendon]

Arthur best sword

[lean timber]

maybe if the sword attack sequence wasn't slow as sin, generally underpowered, extremely un-potentialed in comparison to the other weapons, didn't have garbage hammers, could make use of more builds than merciful end, and wasn't a constant risk due to a lack of a solid ranged option then MAYBE the sword would be good

[short glen]

Yes

[lost ermine]

uhhh you're playing sword wrong

[short glen]

Consider: Aphrodite attack Arthur. Not underpowered, uses a different build than merciful end, has surprisingly long range, more hp, multiple options for damage reduction and is basically an aoe weapon. I can't comment on "un-potentialed' because I don't really know what that means

[lost ermine]

nem is a fast weapon, only slower by the likes of achilles, clockets eris, aphro hera and splash beo

and those for are the contender for wr times and nem is only behind by like 20 seconds

not slow you're prolly playing it wrong

[lean timber]

nem is also very prone to RNG and all that. but as far as slow, there's no way you to the whole swipe -> overhead -> thrust combo each time you attack do you?

that's what i mean. it's too slow to use the entire thing

[short glen]

I mean I do, but it works better on Arthur

[lost ermine]

good swordplay is doing the "cycle"

special -> dashstrike -> dashstrike

this is what you do for chunky enemies

for weaker enemies it varies but the general idea is for sword the viable movesets are special and dashstrike and cast

so yes good sword players almost never use the actual attack on that thing because the base damage is lower and thrust endlag hurts

[south mountain]

the sword has an attack?

[lost ermine]

?

[raven cipher]

I can't seem to get the Zeus legendary (Splitting Bolt) is there anything im messing up?
Am I picking too many lightning boons or something? is there any other boons that arn't compatible with it or something?

[raw herald]

As long as you have either storm lightning, double strike or high voltage, you can see it

Try to fill out your core boon slots and make sure you have static discharge to increase your chances

Apart from that, having gods legacy and dark foresight maxed really helps

[gray apex]

Dont open duos

[raven cipher]

Do i have to pet Cerberus in separate runs? Or can i pet him 20 times back to back for his favor?

https://i.imgur.com/Q5QO2ls.png
I have pet him way more than 20 times, but maybe im missing something

[royal fern]

heroic great reflex

[royal fern]

say whos a good boy

[gray apex]

It wont just unlock right away you have to do a run

[raven cipher]

ok thank you

[royal fern]

whats the best spear aspect?

and how do you make a spear build?

[rustic vale]

Guan-yu 💪💪💪

Or achilles

Take flurry jab if you see it

since flurry jab makes your dash strike hit a second time as a normal attack

[rustic vale]

Talk to chaos till you get the dialogue

I think chaos is the right npc

yeah

[void vigil]

just dont press give up, it resets the run

[acoustic bolt]

Does filling out your core slots increase the chance of none core abilities showing up? Im not sure how the math works

[rustic vale]

Yes

Your odds of getting core boons are either way higher than those of getting non-core boons, or straight up guaranteed to get atleast 1 core boon, I can’t remember

[acoustic bolt]

Is that until the slots are filled the first time or checked on every boon?

I mean can I sell a dash and not worry about changing the math

[rustic vale]

Still worry about changing math

Checked on every boon

[tired karma]

what is the mod that makes it always only 2 styx rooms called

[acoustic bolt]

Oh kinda sucks if you had bad luck finding the right god for your build early

[signal aspen]

speedrun modpack

[signal aspen]

if you sell your dash the game will try to give you a dash

[tired karma]

I get it from here?
https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources

[signal aspen]

yes

[tired karma]

ok ty

[signal aspen]

if you have any trouble installing it i recommend going to the modding or speedrunning server pinned in #self-promotion

[random nymph]

guys i cant get meg to spawn i need her to spawn and whenever she does spawn shes talking to someone

[gray apex]

Just do a couple of resets

[random nymph]

wdym

@gray apex

[gray apex]

Die a few times to refresh the house

[somber kiln]

yo is there a bug where the thing doesnt drop?

[random nymph]

if u die alot does it mess something up

[hollow sun]

die and go to lounge

[somber kiln]

wait nvm

just broke a vase and it fixed

wtf

[hollow sun]

no it just resests everyone positioning

[random nymph]

ok

[hollow sun]

so like turn up the heat and if u have guan yu take it and just die a bunch

[random nymph]

heat?

wdym

[hollow sun]

oh nvm

have u completed a run

[random nymph]

not yet

[hollow sun]

ahhhh ok youll learn about it later

for now i would stick with the sheild as a good starting weapon

[random nymph]

i use the bow with chiron aspect

i cant get past the third bosses though

is my set up good though

[hollow sun]

try using artemis keepsake on the special

for bow

chiron

[gray apex]

It's probably a pest

[hollow sun]

its a good combo for single target damage

[gray apex]

Which is an enemy

lol

[random nymph]

i use skelly keepsake

should i replace

[gray apex]

Use skelly for later biomes not for Tartarus

[hollow sun]

thats good but only put it on later in the run because u can reap the benefits of others like the coin purse and then put on skelly later

[random nymph]

ok

i got like 6 nectar

i gave like 3 to meg

who should i get next

[hollow sun]

i used the coinpurse in my earlier runs because it helps getting more stuff in the earlier stage so you can do other stuff later

[gray apex]

Gift Eurydice and all of the Olympian gods

[hollow sun]

do u have most of the keepsakes

[random nymph]

no i only have a few

[hollow sun]

give one to eurydice

[random nymph]

what does she give

[hollow sun]

she has a good keepsake

basically everytime you get hit for the first like 4 times in an encounter(i forgor when lower rank) it doesnt hit and u dont take damage

[gray apex]

It's 3/4/5

[hollow sun]

ok so yeah

its a very good keepsake for survivability

[random nymph]

which olympian god

[hollow sun]

artemis is great for raw damage

but u shud get all of them because they help shape builds

ur using death defiance right not stubborn defince

[random nymph]

yeah

i am

also what keepsake should i equip first

for tartarus

[patent mesa]

god you wanna start out with

[hollow sun]

depends if ur going for a build if not then find what u think works well for u

[hollow sun]

Ik everyone says that Stygian soul is better for Beowulf builds but I feel like infernal is better

Or am I just crazy

[rustic vale]

Stygian is only better on trippy flare

otherwise you go infernal

I think

[hollow sun]

K

[latent moon]

yeah that's right

[hollow sun]

If u get the Hermes legendary infernal is better right

[rustic vale]

wdym

[latent moon]

generally only use infernal soul because trippy flare is just too high roll to use in the first place

[hollow sun]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

🤨

[hollow sun]

Where it returns to u after no time

[latent moon]

well technically bad news is better because you're not lodging casts

but also like

[rustic vale]

Only if you have charge shot hammer would you take hermes legendary

[hollow sun]

True

[latent moon]

the hermes legendary isn't something to shoot for tbh

[hollow sun]

Yeah

Its more of a quality of life thing

[latent moon]

rather get rush delivery

true

[rustic vale]

Rush delivery beowulf 💪💪💪

[hollow sun]

Yeah

[latent moon]

rush delivery beo + hades keepsake = instaphase

[rustic vale]

You’re able to get hades keepsake charged before the boss is dead?

[hollow sun]

Do people get aphro call or is it only really good for the max call damage

[rustic vale]

Nvrmind I only play trippy beo

[hollow sun]

Same

[latent moon]

to be fair it has phases so you have some time lol

[random nymph]

how do you get hades keepsake

[latent moon]

you can probably get like 2 off if you have hyper delivery

[latent moon]

after the credits

[hollow sun]

Ur new u have a long way to go

[rustic vale]

hyper delivery gaming

[latent moon]

i've yet to get epic rush delivery and it makes me sad

[random nymph]

what does it do

[hollow sun]

Gives u a new call

[random nymph]

should i gift him rn

[rustic vale]

Why not?

[hollow sun]

Sure but u won’t get anything

[random nymph]

does he say anything

[rustic vale]

Uhh

Yeah

I feel like thats a given

[latent moon]

just play the game and find out lol

[hollow sun]

Eh something about contraband idk

[mint coral]

You need to use hermes keepsake for infernal soul beo

If you want his legendary

[patent mesa]

lol

where flurry cast beo 🥺

[acoustic bolt]

Someone mentioned a guide that keeps getting posted in reddit.

Is there a collected source for the most common builds for each weapon? So I dont need to search individually for each one?

[mint coral]

Where quick reload

[patent mesa]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide this thing

[signal aspen]

dont listen to reddit

[patent mesa]

I think some of it is sus but it's overall a decent guide

[acoustic bolt]

Im asking here not there someone just mentioned a guide and I just wanted a convenient springboard

Thanks dire

Lol first line I read i have a question about. It says fast attacks want boons that confer a new damage source whereas slow attacks want percentage increases

Makes sense but then it lists ares for fast

Does doom care about speed?

[patent mesa]

doom is kinda in a weird place

[mint coral]

if you can dash strike fast you can abuse ME

[patent mesa]

it's a source of big new damage that doesn't do well with fast attacks usually

unless you have ME as said above or dire misfortune for very specific and usually meh builds like doom chiron

[warm nimbus]

it works on melee weapons so they can abuse divine dash and ME

[latent moon]

doom chiron is literally the best build in the game idk what you're on about

[signal aspen]

doom on arthur is pretty good

[patent mesa]

generally the best use case for it outside of ME is having ares naturally give you doom on an infrequent and nonessential attack source

such as doom special on achilles

[rustic vale]

Every gaming community I’ve ever been in says this

[mint coral]

revenge doom is nice

[rustic vale]

Reddit has to be like

[warm nimbus]

yeah, or doom on rama special

[rustic vale]

A cesspool of 4iq people

[patent mesa]

yep rama doom is good

also beo attack

[warm nimbus]

i prefer zeus on rama special though tbh

ez access to that one duo boon

[patent mesa]

basically whatever attack will hit the enemy somewhat frequently but its purpose is not for dps

[warm nimbus]

smair'

[mint coral]

i get why you say that but 🗿

[patent mesa]

rod

[warm nimbus]

thats what its called

[warm nimbus]

bruh

[signal aspen]

nah you use beo attack for the damage

[patent mesa]

yeah usually

[rustic vale]

Pos attack beo /j

[patent mesa]

but on builds where you can't expect arty attack having doom there instead is great

[mint coral]

what build you doing you arent expecting arty attack

or any % for the matter

[patent mesa]

passion

[warm nimbus]

dude i just remembered one of my first builds i thought was like crazy op lmao

serrated with pos attack

[patent mesa]

was it doom shield

rip

[rustic vale]

Megathwomp isn’t affected by seastorm because he can’t be knocked back right?

[mint coral]

yup

normal skull crushers too

[patent mesa]

this is why sea storm is F tier

[warm nimbus]

like this doesnt even make any sense, poseidon just knocks them out of it lmao

[rustic vale]

But bosses can so does that mean bosses can be pushed back ever so slightly

[patent mesa]

I think every new player goes through a serrated + something random phase

[mint coral]

they also arent affected by shoals

[patent mesa]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Serrated+dio 😎

[mint coral]

i hated serrated the moment i picked it

[patent mesa]

stuff like pos chiron and dem can make the knockback more obvious

[rustic vale]

Do specials knockback more than attacks do?

[mint coral]

have you seen when B.wave/whatever is the other knockback boon work weird and just destroy a boss health bar?

[patent mesa]

uh idk

[warm nimbus]

also fun fact shield attack already knocks back so its affected by sea storm without pos attack

[patent mesa]

but those aspects have a lot of knockback all at once which is why they noticeably push around bosses

[mint coral]

same works for sword combo finisher

[warm nimbus]

yeah but who uses that

[signal aspen]

me

[patent mesa]

sword dstrike mains in shambles

[acoustic bolt]

Im on a serrated knock back build right now

So its bad? Lol

[signal aspen]

i use the regular attack on sword

[patent mesa]

no built in sea storm

[warm nimbus]

the problem is that the knockback tends to knock things out of the other hits lmao

[signal aspen]

the special knockbacks without a boon

[rustic vale]

Also just

[signal aspen]

so there is built in sea storm

[rustic vale]

Serrated

[patent mesa]

uh

[signal aspen]

serrated gud

[patent mesa]

double nova users in shambles

[signal aspen]

rip

[patent mesa]

the two double nova users are very upset rn

[signal aspen]

i remember i got a sub 8 on sword with piercing wave and double nova

[mint coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/puu0he/am_i_allowed_to_deal_this_much_wall_slam_damage/

found it

[acoustic bolt]

And the knock back doesn't work on bosses?

[signal aspen]

it does

just by two inches

[warm nimbus]

ah, that bug

love that one'

[patent mesa]

lol talos meta

[signal aspen]

new speedrun meta

[acoustic bolt]

I was really going for a charm legendary but couldnt get an aphrodite attack

[patent mesa]

unhealthy fixation kinda meh tbh

idk if it's just me

[acoustic bolt]

i thought it would be better with serrated

[rustic vale]

Aphro special unhealthy fixation chiron 🤔

[signal aspen]

its pretty whatever

never aim for it

[patent mesa]

serrated probably does help it a lot

[signal aspen]

but if its there then take it

unless there are better boons

[patent mesa]

I once tried aphro attack endless lucy with fixation

it sucks so bad

[signal aspen]

nice

[patent mesa]

because you can't charm stuff that's already charmed

[acoustic bolt]

flurry slash, cursed slash, double nova first room of a nemesis run

i have no idea what to do with these lol

[latent moon]

Flurry slash and double nova are decent picks I believe

[patent mesa]

take double

you do damage with special so double is fine

flurry and cursed are both downgrades

[acoustic bolt]

thanks

[rustic vale]

Flurry and cursed slash

Atleast you didn’t get dash nova as the other option or whatever that one is

[patent mesa]

everyone loves hyper sprint which gives you movement + sturdy

dash nova gives movement + sturdy but everyone hates it

damn double standards

[rustic vale]

Yh

Hypersprint gives movespeed

Which is the important part

Dash nova makes your special worde

so

[latent moon]

Dash nova doesn't combo with rush delivery either

But it is funny tho

[acoustic bolt]

i won that double nova run 🙂 ended up getting supernova at some point. had athena special, ares/zeus duo and exit wounds from artemis. i did get hypersprint too

i can't seem to post pictures.

first sword win too

[south mountain]

ayy killed charon without even using a death's defiance

[acoustic bolt]

nice! i've only fought him once and was woefully unprepared

so TIL the first thin swing Hades does in phase 1 doesn't hurt you

this is why i coulnd't figure out how to dodge him i kept trying to dodge the thin swing and the actual attack 😐

[lean timber]

it's just a motion line to telegraph the attack

the swirl tells you he's going to spin attack

[acoustic bolt]

right, i just didn't know that. asked a couple of times before and didn't get an answer.

[patent mesa]

that thing should stun you like tisiphone

dad is too easy otherwise

[lean timber]

what

[acoustic bolt]

^that was the kind of answer i got lol. "he's easy" k well i keep dying so yeah

[patent mesa]

did I stutter

[lean timber]

dad should have electric wind god fist

[patent mesa]

hm good idea

he should also come with a second ice climber

[acoustic bolt]

isn't there a heat option to make bosses harder?

[patent mesa]

yeah

[rustic vale]

Extreme measures

[patent mesa]

EM4 is also called superdad because he becomes way way stronger

[rustic vale]

Along with technically the more hp and more damage heat conditions

[lean timber]

hades and nana undefeated combo

[patent mesa]

dada and nana

[lean timber]

fear

[south mountain]

have you guys defeated the secret EM4 + Charon doubleboss?

[signal aspen]

Yes

[south mountain]

good

I just did my fastest run yet, 16:16.21

[rustic vale]

Amazing

[south mountain]

obviously I haven't tried to speedrun at all

just playing the game slowly trying to win 😅

[lean timber]

my fastest is 19:56

[south mountain]

my winning% is now up to 70% \o./

[gray apex]

My winning % is like 3%

[latent moon]

dad should use cerby call more often

[mint coral]

Cerb is a companion tho

Only 1 use

[acoustic bolt]

how do i post pictures? i can't snip+paste here but i can in other channels

[mint coral]

Post in other server and copy img link

Or imgur/img hosting site

Tho if its a victory screen you can post in #h1-victory-boasting

[signal aspen]

That's a little high for a Speedrunner and high heater

[warm nimbus]

true

[acoustic bolt]

thanks

[lean timber]

mike celebrating his yearly hades win lmao

[south mountain]

I swear

just tidal dash + 2 poms + epic hermes dash boon = win

doesn't even matter what your other boons are

[lean timber]

tidal dash is pretty good

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash + 2 poms = win 😎

[lean timber]

tidal dash = gg ez wp shake my hand

k i think i'm gonna jump from 8 right to 16 what should i use

[latent moon]

beowulf lmao

that or hestia

16 heat isn't too bad tbh

[lean timber]

nah i meant for the pact

[raw herald]

What time can you comfortably clear in

[lean timber]

comfortably? 25m. with some effort? sub 22

racing my heart out? could probably get sub 18 or less

[south mountain]

oh I just realized I'm now on a 20 game winning streak \o./

[lean timber]

[south mountain]

would've been 36 if I didn't completely mess up my first run with zeus shield 😦

[raw herald]

EM3 TD2 UC MM BP1 HL1

[south mountain]

I could've killed hades literally just standing in a corner blocking

[raw herald]

If you hate em3, swap it for TD3

[lean timber]

u got it i'll try it next run

[south mountain]

em3 minotaur is harder but I actually find the other dude easier 😅

[signal aspen]

if that doesnt work out do RI4 FO2 HS CP1

[lean timber]

no.

i will not be using that pact.

[raw herald]

I will

Brb

[signal aspen]

your loss tbh

[latent moon]

if i have smair on nemesis should i take epic second wind or epic swift flourish
i feel like both are pretty good

[raw herald]

Second wind

[latent moon]

very cool

[lean timber]

second wind 100%

smair + second wind + billowing strength = death

[latent moon]

i think my only zeus boon is literally the call lol

i also have the athena boon where you start with the gauge partially filled

so i always start rooms with a call lmao

[lean timber]

a bit redundant but yeah saves five seconds per room

very nice indeed

love call builds

[latent moon]

i think my other athena options weren't great to begin with lol

common holy shield and common bronze skin i think

[lean timber]

mmm saving two damage per hit during bosses mmm

i looooove common bronze skin mmm

[rustic vale]

💪

[warm nimbus]

yeah swift flourish doesnt do much if you arent like... on chiron i guess lol

but second wind + smair = calls all the time

[latent moon]

i just noticed that i was taking a lot of damage when i'm trying to special lol

[raw herald]

Swift flourish does nothing on nemesis

In fact if you are used to the rotation, it’s a downgrade

[latent moon]

fair

[lean timber]

i think i'm going to try merciful end on hades spear

[rustic vale]

Merciful end is good but why on hades spear

[lean timber]

for laughs

[signal aspen]

ME on hades spear is the speedrun meta for that aspect

still not that good tho

[warm nimbus]

oh indeed it is lol

[lean timber]

this feels bad

i don't like it

[rustic vale]

It’s not just pom tidal dash and you’re done?

[signal aspen]

no

that would be horrible against hades

[lean timber]

that's it's own category like super soaker

[rustic vale]

On a scale from 1 to 10 how bad of an idea is this

[lean timber]

it's broken

[signal aspen]

its not a bad idea

[lean timber]

7

[signal aspen]

just not the entire build

[rustic vale]

K so

Got it

[lean timber]

at zero heat it could be a fun thing to try

but at mid-high heat you'll get eaten

[signal aspen]

you can do pretty much anything at 32 heat

[rustic vale]

64*

[acoustic bolt]

does fated persuasion effect rarity?

[raw herald]

Nope

[acoustic bolt]

so if one of them is epic the rerolled boon will also be epic?

[raw herald]

Not necessarily

[acoustic bolt]

ok so it does effect rarity

[raw herald]

That’s not quite how it works

[acoustic bolt]

i just wasn't sure if the boons kept their rarity or if that also gets rerolled

[raw herald]

The chance of rarity stays the same

The rarity does not necessarily stay the same

[acoustic bolt]

the key here is that it can change, i didn't know if it could at all

i should word better

[open hill]

dionysus is a homie

[patent mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/8OuEeAt.png it's gaming time

[rustic vale]

Gaming

Turn on tight deadline

You’ll lose

[patent mesa]

bet

[rustic vale]

Might actually be worth it to have the specials out for sustained dps

[patent mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/d91UDlK.png lol

[rustic vale]

Damn you’re actually doing it

holy

[patent mesa]

stupid hammer start

this is DC26 TD3 btw

[rustic vale]

Good hammer start because you need the sustained to deal with the hearts

[patent mesa]

no I need zeus dammit

[lean timber]

this goes hard, can i do this for my 16 heat run?

[patent mesa]

"best 16 heat pact?"
"DC16"

[lean timber]

this is phenomenal

[rustic vale]

Sure

[patent mesa]

I did FO4 to kill myself and holy crap

[latent moon]

how high can you crank the fo in the mod

[patent mesa]

just FO4

but I edited the file to crank up DC so I can do the same to FO presumably

[lean timber]

the unmodded modding server for today

[patent mesa]

god damn this run is hilarious

[latent moon]

i should get into modding it sounds fun to try stupid things like this

[patent mesa]

https://streamable.com/ouyqrx

[mint coral]

i suggest the aspect fusion mod that just released

[patent mesa]

forcing dio for hopefully peer pressure or whatever

[mint coral]

you can have 5 zeus shield specials at once

[patent mesa]

chaos but good

[mint coral]

it fuses all aspects of a weapon

[patent mesa]

yoooo this build is cracked

eternal chamber, zeus attack, ares dash, dio special, peer pressure

I'm busting shields like it's nothing

[latent moon]

that's like the first time i've ever seen ares dash be useful lmao

[patent mesa]

it's overhated imo

decent substitute to tidal dash

[latent moon]

seems great for countering normal dc2 as well

[patent mesa]

yep

[mint coral]

yeah blade dash is nice

also charges call fairly decent

[rustic vale]

sword aspects having 0 synergy

[patent mesa]

https://streamable.com/3ua1hu

[latent moon]

jesus christ lmao

[patent mesa]

ok yeah this game is a joke

I'm popping 26 DCs in like 2s

blade dash + both epic blade t2s is absurd

[latent moon]

i think you need to use boons/weapons that are gonna suffer more from dc26

try perhaps

me gilgamesh lmao

[patent mesa]

bruh

the problem is without zeus dio or blades I won't make tart TD3

https://streamable.com/klwrcz god damn this is so fun

https://i.imgur.com/XW8TI47.png bruh

[lean timber]

me in minecraft editing my gui with commands to give myself 500 health:

[latent moon]

what if you did this again but with jury summons lmao

[patent mesa]

maximum rats

[latent moon]

more rats with dc 26 means more satisfaction

i dont see any flaws here

[warm nimbus]

do dc64

free heat

be the first person to clear 64 unseeded ez

[patent mesa]

lmao

sadly DC64 would be really really easy

[warm nimbus]

indeed

do dc1000

lmao imagine fo21

63 heat

i need to download this mod lol

[latent moon]

Ah yes make everything 1260% faster

Make that duo boon where projectiles are slower slightly useful

[patent mesa]

ok I'm super confused

does stubborn roots need a defiance to show up

[latent moon]

Don't think so

[patent mesa]

then this makes 0 sense

I've rolled like 5 times for stubborn roots on RI4

[latent moon]

Get rng-ed maybe

Are all the core slots filled?

So no passive ap1

[patent mesa]

no but still

[latent moon]

amazing

[patent mesa]

wait

wrong image

too late it was patty on RI4

he gives you two choices

[latent moon]

oh lmfao

[warm nimbus]

it probably needsd you to have a slot

[patent mesa]

I swear stubborn doesn't show up on RI4

[warm nimbus]

or at least i would imagine

[patent mesa]

ugh yeah

who would know this stuff exactly that I can ping

that cgull person?

[warm nimbus]

cgull is pretty cool

@night rampart what do you think

[patent mesa]

save me

[mint coral]

Ye

[patent mesa]

ugh

does tooth count

[warm nimbus]

wait if you use tooth in an athena room can you get a dd?

hmm

i feel like if tooth counted that would work lol

[rustic vale]

Just have stubborn defiance 😎

[patent mesa]

I believe so

[warm nimbus]

seriously?

[patent mesa]

but also heard that there are some graphical glitches with it

[warm nimbus]

oh lol

[mint coral]

Tooth counts yeah

[rustic vale]

I’m gonna try a fresh file run

Is freshfile always seeded?

[mint coral]

You only can see ares/athena/dio/artemis on the first run

[rustic vale]

Hmm

I’m thinking really hard right now about my first boon because I want to win first try

[mint coral]

ME is safe but is though getting it

Prob hangover works, slowly but it does

[rustic vale]

it’s divine strike, phalanx shot or divine dash and I think I should go for ME but not sure which to take

[mint coral]

If you wanna go ME just take the dash

[rustic vale]

dash or strike

alright

[mint coral]

Is still a nice amount of dmg through deflects

Ah yeah first athena boon will never have special

Always attack/cast/dash

[rustic vale]

Pom room second room should I pom divine dash, divine dash or divine dash

😭

Hmm

Drunk strike(breaks me), trippy shot or positive outlook

All common

Wait

I’m stupid

Trippy shot it is