#h1-discussion

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lean timber
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attack speed get you killed?

brisk trail
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no phase 2 where he calls on the gods to be fair i was at 1 life so there wasn't much of a chance of me to get to the surface

signal aspen
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No definitely don't use the special on the bow unless you are using chiron or rama

lean timber
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ah i see. a common issue the first few times with running rama is just mis-judging the attack speed and getting hit while drawing the bow

brisk trail
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fair but the special is pretty cool it's useless on anything but the bone hydra though

latent moon
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Beowulf is a dude from English legend who killed monsters that terrorized some kingdom or something (oversimplified story)

brisk trail
lean timber
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the rama special is literally one of the best specials in the game

brisk trail
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I'm probably just using it wrong

lean timber
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do you know what shared suffering is?

signal aspen
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60% attack damage is good

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To all enemies with shared suffering

lean timber
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hitting an enemy with shared suffering will multiply your damage to it by 1.6

brisk trail
rustic vale
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Yes but

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If you hit special on that enemy

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And hit the same enemy with your attack

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It’ll take the shared suffering damage too

brisk trail
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ok then

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if Herakles was a god in this game what would his boons do?

latent moon
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Prob damage increase lol

lean timber
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i assume it would feel like chaos. can't imagine him having his own unique effects

latent moon
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Same

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Like hermes

lean timber
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essentially

signal aspen
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Make you punch things hard

brisk trail
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ok makes sense

lean timber
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it would be interesting to see hera but i think she'd just be demeter 2.0

signal aspen
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That's good Demeter kinda sucks

lean timber
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L

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you know, for as much as the fable says, it's odd that not once does achilles mention he's literally invincible. although if he was taken by the styx, it would have washed off, so it makes sense

brisk trail
signal aspen
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Cast is ok

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Needs the duo boon from Artemis to do damage

lean timber
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cast is good with some builds, but most it's meh at best and garbage at worst

signal aspen
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Then once you get extra casts and damage it becomes very fun

lean timber
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but yeah needs artemis 100% useless without it

brisk trail
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ok then fair point also is rama with Poseidon good?

signal aspen
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Not really

lean timber
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nope

signal aspen
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You can get his cast and pair it with breaking wave for an easy styx

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Other than that nah

lean timber
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mmm posideon cast in styx mm

latent moon
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I really like Demeter call lol
Might be because every time Theseus uses it I get slapped a lot by it every time

lean timber
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why does cast throw enemies 300 meters back tho fr fr

brisk trail
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ah ok i just thought that the long attack and pushing away would be good

lean timber
latent moon
lean timber
latent moon
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When I used the bow before I got aspects I used Poseidon special to get enemies farther away from me lol

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That was before I realized casts were actually useful

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And also before I could actually make it to Styx lol

lean timber
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distance good lol

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i remember my first styx run. good times

short kernel
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god I hate chrion bow so much

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it's so slow

rustic vale
signal aspen
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That is based af

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Chiron stinky stinky poo poo

lean timber
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what

short kernel
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it's so unresponsive

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I swear the special takes like 10 years to unload

signal aspen
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That's facts

latent moon
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That's just bow special lol

short kernel
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yeah but like chiron forces you to use special to actually do damage
ughhh

latent moon
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I mean it can do big damage lol

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But also yeah it can be a drag

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Not everyone's cup of tea

rustic vale
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Wdym

short kernel
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yeah merciful end seems good with it

short kernel
rustic vale
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dio special and artemis special are the ones that are good on it

short kernel
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it also doesn't really have great aoe

latent moon
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ME Chiron absolutely based

short kernel
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I'll try out me chiron

latent moon
latent moon
short kernel
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oh lol

latent moon
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You're not procing the ME

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Ares special and then the doom stack boon

rustic vale
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Dionysus special or artemis flourish are the ones you want

signal aspen
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Just get this

short kernel
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well, doom on special and deflect on attack?
idk how to make this work

latent moon
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It doesnt

signal aspen
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Chiron ME is a big meme

short kernel
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oh ic

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alright deadly flourish ig

latent moon
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I had a theory that aphro atk ares special and their duo can deal pretty good damage as long as you get the doom stack boon

rustic vale
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Well

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Why aren’t you applying doom again?

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post it falling the first time

restive cave
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the fist weapon feels like im playing devil may cry 5 or somethin

latent moon
rustic vale
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Well

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The thing with aprho ares duo is it causes doom to fall again

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But just like

latent moon
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As long as they're afflicted with weak

rustic vale
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Provoke doom again at full damage

latent moon
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And does 75% of the damage

latent moon
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And when you have to atk again it could fall again

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I mean it's still a pretty bad idea

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But you could get pretty high doom numbers

warm nimbus
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even without impending the timing doesnt seem right

latent moon
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The time between the very first arrows? It seems like a second

warm nimbus
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well no because to actually do decent damage youre also going to be using dire misfortune

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so its the time between the last arrow and the first of the next special

latent moon
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Oh wasn't aware the timer reset with dire misfortune

short kernel
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also burned through all 3 dds bc td3 lmao

sullen yew
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how do i upgrade weapons?

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i beated the game like 4 times and have around 15 titan bloods but still dont know how to upgrade them

latent moon
short kernel
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memes

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oh

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ok

latent moon
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It should say "inspect"

short kernel
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I had 150 spare cash in styx and was liek "why not"

latent moon
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From there you can upgrade

latent moon
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Aphrodite and Artemis duo

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Make you crits do 150% more dmg

short kernel
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oh I forgot that heart rend exists

sullen yew
latent moon
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Np

latent moon
short kernel
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welp time for a beo run because I need to get better at this weapon

latent moon
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Beo is good

short kernel
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yeah it's my favorite shield aspect probably

latent moon
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Poseidon cast Artemis atk get mirage shot

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Then win

signal aspen
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Not a win unless you sub6

latent moon
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Damn I've never won with beo then

signal aspen
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Same 😔

latent moon
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I'm 3:30 off from winning

signal aspen
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Looks like I just won

latent moon
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Nice win

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Nice cheat code too

signal aspen
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This is crovens new pb that he literally just posted hopefully he doesn't see this

latent moon
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Lmfao

short kernel
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idk how people go so fast with beo

latent moon
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Just nuke the room lol

signal aspen
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Big booms kill bosses

latent moon
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Through Tartarus you need like 1 cast per enemy

short kernel
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I'm just really bad at managing where my casts are

latent moon
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For the boss you need like 5 or 6 if you don't have mirage

latent moon
short kernel
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like sometimes I'll just leave all three of my casts halfway across the room

signal aspen
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Well don't do yhat

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That

sullen yew
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what is the best build for spear?

latent moon
sullen yew
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i unlocked aspect of achilles

latent moon
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Hunting blades if you don't care how fast you go lol

sullen yew
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i just need a clear on spear

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xd

latent moon
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Hunting blades will work then

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Ares cast Artemis special get hunting blades and then get ares boons that help your cast

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I don't know which cast you should use for the mirror tho

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Both definitely work but idk which one is better

sullen yew
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ok ty

short kernel
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it's like, my casts take a really long time to pop out and then I need to kill this enemy over here, so then I charge towards that enemy, and then there's more enemies here, and then I charge there, and that original cast just ends up left behind a lot

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and then I have to go back and get it

signal aspen
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Have you watched any beo speedruns

short kernel
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also when enemies move away from my cast and then it's just wasted and I'm like "ok, how long am I gonna sit here waiting for these to pop back out"

short kernel
signal aspen
short kernel
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no

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but it's a combination of what I said above, where I leave my casts behind and suddenly now I only have 2 casts to work with

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I love beo but I'm terrible at it lol

signal aspen
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I guess it's just practice bouldy

latent moon
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Triangle pathing works well for me if you use 1 cast each time

signal aspen
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Definitely hard to manage all of your casts well

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But once you get the hang of it you can sub5 all the time

latent moon
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Either that or plan quickly how to clear the wave in 3 casts and pick the casts back up while they're spawning

signal aspen
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Just make every room this

short kernel
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seems like trouble if you can't oneshot the enemy though

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unless they're all grouped up

latent moon
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Oh also some enemies you won't even need a cast to kill

short kernel
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I mean my tartarus is still really slow anyway so yeah

latent moon
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Well the 1 atk thing will speed up Tartarus

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But in elysium 2 casts should be a kill

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Maybe 1 if you get good poms

restive cave
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this game inspired me to play vampire survivor

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and i love it!

slim grail
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May I know who is skelly a reference to in the Greek mythology??

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I can't find him

rustic vale
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uh

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misc skeleton

slim grail
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No I mean like in Greek mythology

rustic vale
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I'm joking

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I have literally no clue if they're an actual greek mythological reference

restive cave
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its weird hearing Persephone being pronounced "purse-a-phony" after playing this game for a long time

acoustic bolt
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if i replace a boon will it still count towards a duo requirement? i mean is the requirement to have the boon or to have at least had it at one point?

rustic vale
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to have it

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not to have had it

acoustic bolt
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dang alright

quaint pier
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do exclusive access and refreshing nectar stack

gray apex
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Epic is the highest rarity you can get there is nothing after that

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There is Heroic but you can only get it through replaces and both EA and Nectar dont affect those

acoustic bolt
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how exactly does lambent plume work i'm clearing encounters in just a few seconds and it still says 0%

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maybe that's a mod display error

gray apex
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There is a counter right under it

short kernel
acoustic bolt
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pretty sure that's right

stoic lintel
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Can someone explain to me how do duo boons work? i have looked thorugh the codex and i cant understand much.

ornate wyvern
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You need 2 specific boons and then those gods have a chance to give you a duo boon

rustic vale
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well

quaint pier
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what boon should i get on my special for hera bow

stoic lintel
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So i dont need all of those boons that appear in the codex?

quaint pier
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nah

stoic lintel
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only 1 from each god?

quaint pier
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one from each list

short kernel
quaint pier
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fair

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and its j trippy shot for cast ??

rustic vale
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so like

short kernel
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or trippy with stygian soul

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but I like crush shot

rustic vale
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artemis+ ares is specifically you need blade cast and then an artemis core boon aside from dash iirc

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etcetera etcetera

acoustic bolt
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can someone explain the strategy for defeating ||hades|| to me. i was able to do it with ranged builds, but melee has been very difficult

rustic vale
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uh

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you do it a lot

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and then

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it clicks

acoustic bolt
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i'm just not understanding his attacks work

rustic vale
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?

acoustic bolt
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like the spin, is it a fake and then you dodge the second one?

rustic vale
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how

stoic lintel
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HE doesnt have attacks to deflect

rustic vale
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ngl

acoustic bolt
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considering i keep losing with melee, telling me melee is easier is actually remarkably discouraging

rustic vale
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no offence but not sure if you should be handing out advice if you didn't know how duo boons work

stoic lintel
stoic lintel
rustic vale
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that's

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2 more than 1

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wow

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I mean my win percentage is scuffed but

stoic lintel
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Also what do duo boons have to do with fighting hades?

rustic vale
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it's uh

stoic lintel
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Once you beat him it becomes easier and at that point doesnt matter how many clears you got

rustic vale
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once you start messing with heat I'm not too sure I agree with that

stoic lintel
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I am messing with heat

rustic vale
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I mean like

stoic lintel
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and its still easy

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hardest boss imo are the heros

acoustic bolt
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i don't think this conversation is becoming very production

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productive*

brisk trail
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Why cant I give cerberus more nectar? He deserves all the nectar, but the next heart has a lock

gray apex
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The first few points of heat dont really matter

rustic vale
stoic lintel
brisk trail
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Rip

rustic vale
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ambrosia

brisk trail
gray apex
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You'll get there

brisk trail
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Tbf, I've only challenged the Minotaur alone once, then again with Thesius aiding him

rustic vale
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it was something like

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I don't know how to say this without being a level of condescending that I can't justifiably use

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so I won't

rustic vale
gray apex
acoustic bolt
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it's just funny because my only wins were with the bow and with the shield taking advantage of the special that just floats there and does damage and the artemis/zeus duo

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but i can't seem to time melee dodges correctly

gray apex
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Melee is always riskier

rustic vale
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zeus shield best shield other then beo

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pushing heat on my spear with super soaker but instead of lucifer it's guan-yu

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this is

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going to work so well

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lets go sea storm on attack before sisters

umbral parrot
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me walking towards the door that opens to the surface

rustic vale
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yoh

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same

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but

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I'm using the best spear aspect

south mountain
acoustic bolt
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wow another lost melee run

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i just can't avoid his stupid attacks

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i had 4 death defiances

rustic vale
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What were you running?

lost ermine
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sounds like ME fists

rustic vale
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It could be anything from the sounds of it since they didn’t give any details

lost ermine
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true

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but 4 dds sounds like athena so that's my guess

acoustic bolt
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Zeus/Athena/Aphrodite/Artemis fists

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Lightning attacks, 8% crit, athena call with multiple ways to speed up filling up the gauge

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3 dds and the keepsake that brings you back

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Had about half of his health in second phase left

lost ermine
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usually people don't put lighting on fist attack, it doesn't have good enough scaling for later biomes

acoustic bolt
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That explains why even with support fire things didnt melt how I was expecting

lost ermine
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and for fists(assuming you haven't unlocked aspects yet) it's usually better to focus on a couple gods instead of having a 4 god build for consistency
1 example is the famous Merciful End which is a super good and one of the (only) viable builds on fists, which needs you to take ares attack, athena special and dash, along with the Merciful End duo boon and impending doom

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it's a super safe build as well since divine dash makes you basically invulerable

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you want to use god keepsakes to force ares then athena and try to find the duo in asphodel if possible

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i think there's a guide for it somewhere hold on

acoustic bolt
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The keepsake doesnt refresh right? It just works once

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Per run I mean

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I had the 12 hit double special aspect on

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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I did use them until styx

rustic vale
lost ermine
lost ermine
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i timestamped this so just take a look at the build section and you're good

rustic vale
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on demeter you want aphrodite special

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kinetic launcher

lost ermine
rustic vale
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dio attack

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merciless end demeter oh god

acoustic bolt
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As it happens I had aphrodite special

rustic vale
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well

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merciless end probably works better than aphrodite

lost ermine
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probably

rustic vale
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I should remove the probably

lost ermine
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once you get full build the game becomes "how fast can i clear this room"

rustic vale
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yup

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I like getting dio attack, aphro special and arte cast on demeter and try to hit all 3 duo boons

acoustic bolt
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I feel like it was doomed from the start since I didbt know lightning fist was bad

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Does flying kick change anything? Or is it essentially just a damage boost

lost ermine
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totally not recommending this because i got like insane rng for aspho and tart during a casual fists run and then got totally screwed in ely and missed the sub10

rustic vale
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flying kick is a damage boost on demeter

lost ermine
rustic vale
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basically

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breaching cross > kinetic launcher > flying kick > everything else

lost ermine
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just watch the video for like 5 minutes and you'll get the fist build

rustic vale
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unless I forgot something

lost ermine
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then you can reset for good rng/chaos/early duos and go for it

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don't forget to hard pom ares boons

acoustic bolt
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Hard pom?

rustic vale
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like

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pomegranates of power

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the fruits that level your boons

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put them all

lost ermine
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after you get full build, pom ares attack and impending doom as much as possible

rustic vale
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into your doom effects

lost ermine
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so take them over other rooms IF you have nothing you desperately need like health

acoustic bolt
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Ah

lost ermine
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oh also always take free rooms if you aren't doing that already

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getting hyper sprint and then rush delievery from hermes helps a ton as well but if you're just going for a clear that's not important

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you should end with something like this ideally

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(don't mind the non maxed save it's an old save before i started to speedrun the game)

acoustic bolt
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Whats a free room

rustic vale
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Shops

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and chaos rooms

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Etcetera

lost ermine
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shop/sisyphus/pally/eury/chaos

acoustic bolt
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Oh why

lost ermine
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you don't have to fight people

acoustic bolt
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I skip a lot of shops because ill just spend money later

lost ermine
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you don't have to spend money on shops to take them

rustic vale
lost ermine
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i mean, if you have like a 3 door exit out of a room then you can consider taking midboss if one is shop to get that specific boon

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but in all other scenarios with 2 exits just take the shop

acoustic bolt
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Oh I just want to clear i dont really care about speed

lost ermine
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also, if you have fated persuasion rolls spend them on finding crucial boons like Impending Doom and Merciful End

lost ermine
acoustic bolt
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Doesnt skipping a real room mean im weaker?

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I guess if your build is done it doesnt matter

lost ermine
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also story room and chaos rooms gives you good buffs

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these buffs usually are wayyy better than the rooms

lost ermine
acoustic bolt
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You take chaos vs ares/athena before the build is done?

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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Sorry I was more talkibg about a shop where im not buying anything

lost ermine
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yes still, because after shop you will get the same room

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typically

rustic vale
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bouldy buffs are with you for the whole run

lost ermine
acoustic bolt
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I have not unlocked that yet

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Or rerolls

lost ermine
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oh

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yikes

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uhhh use god's legacy then

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you should be fine just open up ares and athena rooms after you get the prereq for ME

acoustic bolt
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Im just ignoring other gods? Like taking darkness rooms over them?

lost ermine
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if you're offered pom/coins, then ignore them

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if you're offered blue laurel rewards then take them, and sell them later if they don't affect your build

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generally it goes

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chaos/story rooms > (for fists)gods for the duo(before you get the duo, after full build you take hermes over them) > hermes > 2nd hammer > poms/coins/hearts > gods you don't want in your build > keys > nectar > gems/darkness

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for story rooms depends on what room it is

humble iron
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is there any point of going to patrocoles if i have stuburn defiance

acoustic bolt
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I really appreciate the thorough answer thank you

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I'll try again in the morning night all

gray apex
lost ermine
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yes his buff is insane

gray apex
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He makes it heal for 50% more

lost ermine
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shame he disappears everytime i turn the heat up bouldy

gray apex
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so 80% total

humble iron
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ok nice

lost ermine
rustic vale
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Is hoarding slash bonus damage factored in after boons?

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(I already know it sucks but I want to know how bad it sucks)

lost ermine
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i think it's listed on the hades wiki

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hold on

rustic vale
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I picked it up a few runs back and it just felt really off

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since I had +100% from aphro strike and some 2000 obols

gray apex
rustic vale
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Figured

gray apex
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I'm pretty sure it is

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Which is what makes it so garbage

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Aside from incentivizing you to save gold instead of buying stuff

lost ermine
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it's not like dedge does that with scaling or anything

rustic vale
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I don’t want to talk about that run

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It was a win but

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I was omega disappointed by hoarding

lost ermine
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i remember helian did a video on that and he got like 9k obols just to get 500 damage per attack

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that's equivalent to a good nem build

rustic vale
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Damn

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Thats a lot of obols

rustic vale
gray apex
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Yea it's a big meme

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It's basically doing something

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Which is better than a lot of sword hammers already bouldy

lost ermine
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i've been dodging 2nd hammers playing nem for quite a while i've forgotten what the other hammers that does something on sword are

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there's like breaking wave

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and uhhh

gray apex
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Piercing wave

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I mean I think for anyheat just go for it if you have to

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yolo

lost ermine
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ohyeah it's called pwave

gray apex
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for high heat pretend it's not there

lost ermine
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i run modded now remember bouldy

gray apex
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Because AP is gonna screw you

lost ermine
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oh right super nova is ok i think

gray apex
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Another one of those that don't actively harm you

lost ermine
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sword, the only weapon with not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 terrible hammers that makes it harder for you to play game!

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5 if you count cruel thrust

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that's like half the hammers lmao

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12 in total

rustic vale
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Cruel thrust is the one which makes your thrust (not dash strike) deal 200% damage and have like 40% to crit?

lost ermine
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yes

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thrust is horrible though

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by the time you dealt the damage you could've done way more

gray apex
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It's not harmful atleast

lost ermine
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yeah

gray apex
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Harmful ones are basically Dash Nova Flurry and Cursed

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I think those are the only ones

lost ermine
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i would count world splitter

rustic vale
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The rest are just bad

lost ermine
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but i know some people actually play with them so idk

rustic vale
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Like on sword it’s “did I get actively detrimental options? Or did I bad options”

lost ermine
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just play modded

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no more pain

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only splash nem asphodel pain

restive cave
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if im using aspect of hestia, would piercing fire go okay with spread fire?

raw herald
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Spread fire does nothing

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Piercing fire is alrifht on its own

restive cave
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ive got piercing fire already but now i can choose between spread fire and rocket bomb

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havent even got any boons for special cuz im holding out for aphrodite

lost ermine
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Ok, i have a chaos aspect rework idea that actually sounds pretty good in my head

Aspect of Chaos: your special is faster and applies a random status effect on hit

Special speed: +30/35/40/45/50%

when i say status effect i mean the unique effect each god has, so a total of 8 that includes ruptured, marked, jolted, weak, hangover, exposed, chill, doom.

gray apex
restive cave
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which olympian is notorious for having the worst boons?

raw herald
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I mean there isn’t really one

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Maybe ares?

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But he’s not bad at all

restive cave
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ah i was thinking demeter

gray apex
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Yea there isn't one

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It depends on the weapon and build

raw herald
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All gods have a few stinkers

gray apex
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If you're playing Flood Flare Beowulf for example you dont wanna see Zeus

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If you're playing Eris all you want is Zeus bouldy

raw herald
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Yeah

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Meanwhile Demeter is prob the second best support god for Beowulf

gray apex
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So if you look at it that way basically every build has subpar gods that really cant offer you much

south mountain
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I picked up the shotgun upgrade for the rail

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I regret everything

lost ermine
#

i still feel like dio and demeter are the most meh gods

#

there's like no builds around them except dio beo

south mountain
raw herald
#

Dem has snow burst and killing freeze

#

Chill is also very good at high heat

gray apex
#

Because Hangover pom scaling is gud

#

So you can just rely on it

#

Because it's enough to get by

lost ermine
#

fair enough

restive cave
#

i think aspect of hera with sctin feast is my favorite

royal fern
#

spread fire or ricochet fire or targeting system?

gray apex
#

What weapon what build

royal fern
#

using hestia

#

zues aid only

gray apex
#

Zeus Aid is all you have?

royal fern
#

yeah

#

early hammer

#

well also jolted thing but that doesnt matter

gray apex
#

Ricochet is probably what I'd pick, Targeting is fine tho

#

Spread Fire does nothing on Hestia

royal fern
#

thanks bro

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also guan yu sucks imo

rustic vale
#

What level are you using it ay

gray apex
#

Guan Yu is really good with the right hammer

#

Has a bit of a learning curve when you first pick it up

lost ermine
#

play guan ME it'll change your mind

lost ermine
rustic vale
#

Play super soaker guan-yu it’ll change your mind

south mountain
#

is it just me or is Clouded Judgement very underpowered?

humble iron
flint ledge
#

Is the game RNG hell? My friends keep telling me to play the game despite them knowing I HATE the roguelike genre since I can't beat them due to RNG always screwing me over.

wide marsh
#

RNG to my experience can't really screw you over. The game is quite skill-based for me

humble iron
#

once you get god keepsakes the rng can be minimized

flint ledge
#

UGH I have to unlock the ability to not have RNG to screw me over

humble iron
#

i can say this is the build i want before i start and 9/10 times i get it

#

its also veryquick to unlock just 1 necter per god

#

also if you want a rouglike you can relable beat its this one

mint coral
#

There is also god mode which gives you dmg resistance if you still wanna enjoy the story (and you consider the game being too hard)

humble iron
#

what do you think is the best specal for chaos aspect

mint coral
#

Zeus special but honestly best special is not having one and just use attack bouldy

#

Cshot for life

humble iron
#

at that point i should just use zag sheild

mint coral
#

Exactly dusa

humble iron
#

what about zeus sheild what specal do you like for that

signal aspen
#

zeus

wide marsh
#

Random question for you guys but, favourite weapons?

signal aspen
#

i like shield

humble iron
#

either hera or chiron bow for me

wide marsh
#

Interesting

#

Call me basic, but I like the sword. I completely forgot it's name

humble iron
#

beat 40 heat with chiron

signal aspen
#

i beat 51 heat with zeus shield dusa

humble iron
#

nice

raw herald
#

I beat 9 heat with zag sword dusa 🗿

signal aspen
#

thats pretty high

raw herald
#

The time was

signal aspen
#

🗿

humble iron
#

best sword for me is nemisis on 32 heat

deep vine
#

how do i finish "The Gift of Song"?

humble iron
#

spam the lyre

deep vine
#

just keep playing it?

humble iron
#

then talk to orphy once it sounds good

#

can you get explosive return with chaos sheild

signal aspen
#

ye

humble iron
#

whats everyones most hated pact mine is approval prosess

signal aspen
#

routine inspection

patent mesa
#

routine inspection

rustic vale
deep vine
#

Can it be in 1 sitting?

gray apex
#

Yes

humble iron
#

i think

deep vine
#

Tysm

chrome wharf
#

You need to talk to Orpheus at certain breakpoints

south mountain
#

how do you unlock the secret fight with the narrator?

humble iron
#

if you keep a god keepsake on between zones does it still garente another boon

gray apex
humble iron
#

ok

gray apex
#

There is a small counter under the keepsake

#

Which says 1 before it's used

#

Once it's gone that's it for the run

#

It becomes just a rarity boost

#

Which is not worth it

#

So you just swap it

chrome wharf
rustic vale
gray apex
#

Yea ig that can happen bouldy

humble iron
#

ok another question ive never seen a duo oor legendary in a double boon room is that a thing or am i just unlucky

gray apex
#

Duos not possible

#

Legendaries are possible

rustic vale
#

Duo’s wont be in double boon rooms

humble iron
#

ok thx

chrome wharf
gray apex
#

They all have requirements

humble iron
#

i know they have requirements

gray apex
#

Yea it's up to rng from that point

rustic vale
#

Guess you’ve just got bad rng then

gray apex
#

Having full cores helps with your odds

rustic vale
#

The more boons you have the less boons they can pick from 🧠

humble iron
#

also how do i get meg to come to my room ive been locked on her for ages

mint coral
gray apex
#

Yea that logic doesn't fully work here because of the way boons are rolled

rustic vale
#

Uh

#

Just have all the boons

#

It’s that easy

mint coral
#

Fated authorithy strats

gray apex
humble iron
#

ok thx

chrome wharf
#

Sometimes restarting the game can help with stuck flags

humble iron
#

oh that might be i dont think ive ever closed the game lol

#

is there a requirement to be offered flame wheel release

signal aspen
#

be in elysium

humble iron
#

thats it

signal aspen
#

yeah

deep vine
#

I have got max hearts with Dusa yet I don't have a Chibi next to her keepsake?

humble iron
#

did you romance her yet

deep vine
#

I have the 3 hearts to the right of the arrow?

humble iron
#

then idk whats wrong

mint coral
#

There is other convo you need first

deep vine
#

do i need to max her cthaolic companion?

mint coral
#

You need to wait till you talk with her in zag room

deep vine
#

thank you

#

also 1 more question - how hard is it to find a very rare fish?

#

Caught over 250 fish as per acquarium but still not the rarest in any location

rustic vale
#

It’s timing

deep vine
#

150*

rustic vale
#

Basically if it’s a normal catch you have a 50/50 chance to get common/rare fish and if it’s a perfect catch it’s 50/50 rare/legendart

deep vine
#

how do you know if it's perfect?

rustic vale
#

The game will say it was a perfect catch where it otherwise would just say catch

#

The timing for it is right as it bobs under with the flash and the sounds

deep vine
#

ok

#

will have to try for htat

rustic vale
#

+if it’s already bobbed up and down thrice without being the fish then the 4th one will be the fish so that helps with timing

deep vine
#

good to know

rustic vale
#

I’ve heard people say it helps to just close their eyes and listen for the ding but I haven’t found it more effective than with my eyes open

latent moon
#

the closing eyes part helps if you always end up fishing too early

south mountain
#

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

#

almost perfect hades

#

took 1 hit in the last millisecond =/

rustic vale
humble iron
#

em4?

south mountain
humble iron
#

oh i just cant prefect em4 always loss 1 death defiance at least

south mountain
#

I meant not getting hit once

humble iron
#

i know

south mountain
#

ah ok

wise pecan
#

if you tie with thanatos do you still get the heart?

raven cipher
#

I just read about "Charon's favor requires spending at least 10,000Obols in total at his shop."
Is there anywhere i can check how much gold ive spent so far?

humble iron
#

no but its realy easy to spend that much

warm nimbus
#

yeah you probably spend like around 1000 per completed run

latent moon
#

it's essentially buy 100 things in his shop

#

it's easier than it seems lol

warm nimbus
#

not even 100 lol

latent moon
#

true

warm nimbus
#

but yeah you just need to play the game a bit more if you dont have it already, its very easy to get

latent moon
#

the only things worth less than 100 is the pom slice and food

#

oh and the meta game currency as well like darkness and gemstones i suppose

raven cipher
#

If i get "Blown Kiss" for the prophecy, can i sell it in the same run and still have the prophecy completed?

humble iron
#

yes

raven cipher
#

thanks

patent mesa
wise pecan
safe tinsel
#

Ok

south mountain
#

I find it kinda funny you want to miss with floodshot cast

#

if you constantly hit the wall you can cast without ever stopping

broken cargo
#

I just joined the game today, and it takes so many tries to leave Tartarus 😭

mental vale
#

can someone explain the beowulf mirage shot glitch to me

mint coral
#

if a cast says flare instead of shot then mirage wont reduce the dmg for the second cast

#

so any cast from beo and dio cast on hera

mental vale
#

wack

#

did they just like forget to implement it when those aspects were added

rustic vale
mental vale
#

doesnt it become lightning instead of chain lightning

mint coral
#

but it doesnt have cast dmg so mirage doesnt work there

rustic vale
#

When I said normal I meant mirage shot working unbuggged

signal aspen
#

It might be bugged

#

Probably us

#

But it doesn't do anything since it deals 0 cast damage

hard cedar
#

Speaking of bugs, is Aphrodite's favour still bugged? It hasn't given me either Thanatos or Dusa dialogue options, even though I have both favors maxed.

gray apex
hard cedar
#

Yep-

#

Meg, Than and Dusa, all done.

#

Keepsake maxed, too.

#

And the dialogues she gives me now are the ones you get after maxing hearts.

#

The very generic ones.

patent mesa
#

just keep taking her keepsake and killing yourself

hard cedar
#

Been doing that

#

Both favours maxed, and it still won't trigger. Like there is nothing to even add to the codex for Meg, Than or Dusa-

#

And it still. Won't. Trigger.

#

What could I possibly be missing?

latent moon
#

rng probably lmao

hard cedar
#

I've legit exhausted the dialogue options.

latent moon
#

the only req is to max their bonds and if you've got that done then it's just rng

hard cedar
gray apex
#

Are you actually resetting

#

If you use the give up option you get the same dialogue every time

hard cedar
#

No, legit suiciding.

#

Even took out all my mirror upgrades and using Quan aspect to + pact to instadie to spikes.

#

So I can get out faster.

latent moon
#

bad rng or you didn't actually get max hearts with the bonds lol

hard cedar
#

Nah it's all max hearts.

#

I've had all the scenes where I can choose with Dusa, Meg and Than.

#

And for Aprhodite it's just the last, locked heart.

#

All the dialogue from her now are just the very generic ones.

#

I'm just gonna' verify game files and see what happens then, there is no way I go 30+ runs with all the prerequisites met and don't get the dialogue.

#

Nope, did nothing. Still the same generic dialogue options, there is no way this is normal.

latent moon
#

when i was getting bonds completed a while back i never really tried to force it, i just did runs based around that god and got it eventually so maybe try that

#

even though i dont think it does help and really just wastes time, at least it'll help take your mind off the frustration of not getting the bond

hard cedar
#

She is the last bond I need to have all Gods favors and I am just losing my mind.

latent moon
#

if you haven't already play 32 heat so you'll lose your mind at something else lol

hard cedar
#

I mean high-heat runs are different kind of frustration, at least I can see what I'm doing wrong-

#

Here I have no idea what the issue is.

lean timber
restive cave
#

whats the best boon to put on your special with aspect of chaos?

hollow sun
#

zeus is pretty good

latent moon
#

not using chaos aspect is also a good option lol

#

but zeus or dio

rustic vale
#

Zeus flourish has internal cooldowns though

#

So it won’t work like a mega shotgun

mint coral
#

is still more AoE tbf

rustic vale
#

Maybe like athena special for merciless end tbh

#

You’re playing aspectless anyways so might as well make the most of it

mint coral
#

ME is boring tho

rustic vale
#

posiedon special 🧠

mint coral
#

dash only build dusa

rustic vale
#

No dash build

#

You aren’t allowed to dash

signal aspen
#

hunter dash only

rustic vale
#

You just

mint coral
#

Lucifer hunter dash only

rustic vale
#

The button to dash is removed from your controller/ keyboard

lean timber
lost ermine
warm nimbus
#

idk i think it sounds better than how chaos is rn

#

and also sounds more chaotic

patent mesa
lost ermine
lost ermine
patent mesa
#

probably yeah

#

but rng bad design imo

warm nimbus
#

or even better: you get a different chaos curse and a different chaos buff in every encounter

patent mesa
#

lmao

warm nimbus
#

each level of the aspect gives you an extra curse and an extra buff

patent mesa
#

imagine like 5 dash debuffs

warm nimbus
#

so who knows, you could get epic cshot gaming or like no dash distance and no movement speed

latent moon
#

sounds amazing

lean timber
#

so the

#

you're saying that you can get little tiny buffs from bouldy by giving him a permanent currency, and there's a dud chance

#

thanks

latent moon
#

I mean the permanent currency isn't useful after a while lmao

#

But even if it's a dud

#

It's always a bouldy carry

celest shell
#

I used to love the fists but now that I'm using Gilgamesh fists, I LOVE them

signal aspen
#

Yeah same I love Gilgamesh

acoustic bolt
#

@lost ermine so i finally got the pieces of the build but it doesn't seem to work with aspect of talos

#

i think i messed it up

patent mesa
acoustic bolt
#

merciless end

#

ares attack athena special'

patent mesa
#

did you get the ares boon that boosts doom damage by a metric ton

acoustic bolt
#

i had to take the duo over it 😦

patent mesa
#

did you get it after that point

acoustic bolt
#

i'm still in the run

#

pausing for dinner

#

but not yet

patent mesa
#

therein lies the problem with ME builds

#

most rely on getting two athena cores with one of them needing to be gotten first but not really helping you (special)

acoustic bolt
#

i'm confused though because i thought the dash strike would trigger and explode doom but it doesn't seem to be

warm nimbus
#

lol me builds needing like 20 specific boons

patent mesa
#

after that you need impending doom or the build does about as much damage as a common lvl2 flood flare beo build

#

so that's 5 boons from 2 gods already

#

no bueno

acoustic bolt
#

ok but i just want to know if dash strike is supposed to put doom on and explode it or if it doesn't work with talos or what

patent mesa
#

are you using divine dash into enemies

acoustic bolt
#

yeah

patent mesa
#

then it's working fine

acoustic bolt
#

shouldn't i see the doom icon and a big number

patent mesa
#

you should see a brighter red sword and a slightly bigger number than regular doom

acoustic bolt
#

so i'm not seeing that happen with dash strike

patent mesa
#

idk you're doing something wrong then lol

acoustic bolt
#

i'm curious if it's because aspect of talos changed the special and it made dash strike weird

patent mesa
#

nope

warm nimbus
#

what youre supposed to do is just hold down attack and dash into enemies while holding down attack

patent mesa
#

oh yeah that's the other thing

warm nimbus
#

youre not specifically dash striking

patent mesa
#

ME kinda needs +dash

#

no bueno

warm nimbus
#

yeah good ME builds require a lot to fall into place really quickly

acoustic bolt
#

tbh this was pretty easy to put together

patent mesa
#

yeah but harder than other builds that can be just as if not even stronger

#

eg mirage beo, every hestia build

acoustic bolt
#

is there a list somewhere

warm nimbus
#

beo legit just needs a few poms, mirage, and good chaos/wells

acoustic bolt
#

i really don't know what i'm doing and val was just helping me cause i kept having trouble with hades. i had a really good fist run that i thought was good but lightning attack fists apparently doesn't scale well enough

patent mesa
#

you need jolted and/or legendary to make zeus attack dps work

warm nimbus
#

ananke released a fists guide today lol

#

37 pages though\

patent mesa
#

hence why zeus fist builds like smoldering air to get scaling in

warm nimbus
#

so im not sure if you want to read that

acoustic bolt
#

lol

warm nimbus
#

its also speedrunning focused

acoustic bolt
#

which one is smoldering air

patent mesa
#

zeus aphro

#

honestly if you wanna clear with fists in general do demeter

acoustic bolt
#

i actually think i had jolted at the time

patent mesa
#

dem aspect actually has dps to back it up

#

even without ME or zeus highroll

#

talos just sucks

acoustic bolt
#

i really like it against certain enemies. yesterday i was running the aspect that gives extra specials

patent mesa
#

that's demeter

#

widely regarded as best fist

latent moon
#

If you don't get ME at least you'll have a special that'll do decent damage

#

Although the other issue with ME Demeter is that you're mainly pouring your poms into the atk and not the special so if you don't get ME your backup damage dealer is lacking a lot

patent mesa
#

true

#

at least doom poms are always good

latent moon
#

True

lost ermine
acoustic bolt
#

yeah

#

i got it working with that and attack, but i thought it was supposed to work with just dash special too

patent mesa
#

why would it work with dash special

#

special is athena, dash is athena

acoustic bolt
#

i think it's supposed to be because with fists they have that dash upper which is dash special button

patent mesa
#

and that uses your special

#

which is athena in this case

acoustic bolt
#

i see where my confusion was. you needed the special to qualify for ME

#

@lost ermine ok that did get the kill.

you guys were right about impending doom. it just became nonsense after i got that

#

do people usually use fated persuasion or the other one?

latent moon
#

always fated persuasion

#

only time fated authority is used if you want to do a boonless run i believe

patent mesa
#

boonless / meme run like max poms/gold/health

#

for serious play with no arbitrary restrictions or success conditions it's extremely rare that authority compares with persuasion

acoustic bolt
#

oh ok

#

is there a collected list of builds somewhere

#

or at least common configurations

patent mesa
#

there's this guide that someone always spams in reddit comments

#

it's pretty good

latent moon
#

what's the guide?

hollow sun
#

is it just me or are all of the secret weapon aspects either goated or kind of underwhelming

#

the only thing that is kind of middle of the range is rama i feel like

patent mesa
#

the only one I'd call legitimately underwhelming is gilgamesh

hollow sun
#

well guan yu is hammer relient

patent mesa
#

yeah but the best of the spears

#

since the rest are just as hammer reliant

hollow sun
#

nah achilles is better

#

cuz u can build a lot more off the damage buff

patent mesa
#

meh guan yu special is op

#

better for heat

latent moon
#

with gy dont all you have to do is spam the special

hollow sun
#

ok the special is good but u kinda need charged skewer

#

yes

#

but hammer

#

makes it a lot better

#

also lucifer is like the worst rail

patent mesa
#

better than zagrail

hollow sun
#

nah cuz with zag u can pretty much just slap on zeus atk and be done

patent mesa
#

I mean that's not actually the best way to use zagrail

hollow sun
#

true but its pretty simple and has a decently good sucsses rate at medium heat

patent mesa
#

lucifer isn't on the caliber of eris or hestia but that's because eris and hestia are both top 3/5 aspects

#

lucifer is easily top half of aspects imo

hollow sun
#

true

#

than whats bottom 3

patent mesa
#

my bottom 3 is hades, gilgamesh, talos

hollow sun
#

bro talos is mad fun wut u mean

lean timber
patent mesa
#

maybe

#

but it sucks

lean timber
#

i have never used talos

latent moon
lean timber
#

demeter is just too fun for me to not use every single time

hollow sun
#

are we talking like on a scale of fun or viability or both

latent moon
#

i've tried talos with poseidon special for ping pong and i just hated it

patent mesa
#

viability

#

fun is too subjective

hollow sun
#

oh ok then u might be right

#

fair

lean timber
#

that sounds atrocious

latent moon
hollow sun
#

true

patent mesa
#

I love fun as much as the next guy but the truth is not all aspects are made equal

#

and in some cases it's not even close

latent moon
hollow sun
#

well we can prob all agree that hades is the worst aspect period no matter what

lean timber
#

on that note, currently in a 3 heat super soaker run... not quite my cup of tea, but it certainly is a possible combination of boon effects.

hollow sun
#

not fun nor viable

lean timber
#

erm... ahem

hollow sun
#

for hades

#

no supersoaker is good

lean timber
#

throwing shade at hades are we?

hollow sun
#

indeed

lean timber
#

not while i'm online you're not

hollow sun
#

the aspect id terrible

latent moon
#

the best part of hades spear is being able to cover the whole screen with 1 sweep and that's about it lol

patent mesa
#

in terms of fun yeah it sucks so bad

#

being forced to spin feels incredibly clunky

hollow sun
#

exactly and the sweep is like the worst part of the spear no matter the aspect

patent mesa
#

and even with quick spin the payoff isn't worth it when you can't even flurry jab

lean timber
#

punishing sweep isn't fun??? in what world am i living

hollow sun
#

its so clunky

latent moon
#

the world where you aren't being slapped by fo2 probably lmao

hollow sun
#

lmao true

patent mesa
#

achilles gives you basically the same buff except it's snappy and a super strong movement option

#

all the homies hate hades spear

hollow sun
#

yeah also hunting blades is mad fun when u get it going

#

with achilles

lean timber
#

you apply the punishment at the beginning of the spawn cycle and don't bother afterwards unless you've got quick spin and favorable positioning. that's how you use it. and for bosses you can typically use it more

latent moon
#

but with achilles aspect you can do it more consistently

hollow sun
#

yeah but all the others are better

acoustic bolt
#

ok delta chamber is so much fun

latent moon
#

which objectively makes it better

lean timber
#

:P

#

you guys are weird

acoustic bolt
#

is it worth hitting myself with the special for the buff if i can just delta chamber and not stop shooting

latent moon
#

you can do both

lean timber
#

yes

latent moon
#

and yes always

hollow sun
#

yeah probably

lean timber
#

75% buff? why would you ignore

hollow sun
#

ur using eris right

lean timber
#

always do it

latent moon
#

even if you can shoot nonstop why not also buff your atk

hollow sun
#

if so totally

acoustic bolt
#

well it's like 30% right now

#

but ok

patent mesa
#

actually eris sucks

lean timber
#

ah

#

what

hollow sun
#

what

#

man wtf r u on

lean timber
#

i don't even PLAY rail typically and i know eris is really good

hollow sun
#

yeah ik rail is one of the most viable weapons but besides that it feels kinda boring

latent moon
patent mesa
#

eris is for losers who can't get consistent epic hyper RD

#

I get epic RD every single run I do

lean timber
#

allow me to edit my randomness real quick

#

skill issue i guess

latent moon
#

i've tried eris and it just feels too clunky for me
i prob need a guaranteed rocket bomb for me to be happy with it

hollow sun
#

hestia is prob like top 2 most viable aspects

patent mesa
#

hestia sucks too

hollow sun
#

but overaal rail is boring

patent mesa
#

it's arthur but no aoe

lean timber
#

hestia is not what i think of as viable

#

especially for high heat

latent moon
#

yeah whenever i use rail i use hestia just because it's a lot easier to manage
eris takes too much brain power by absorbing specials and maintaining ammo

patent mesa
#

yeah it sucks

lean timber
#

am i just wired backwards??? am i the crazy one here??

humble iron
#

just use lucifer with dio on attack

hollow sun
#

i think overall the rail is too complicated and can be a pain to keep track of

lean timber
#

delta chamber gaming

#

eternal chamber gaming?

hollow sun
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lucifer<zagrail

lean timber
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wrong

latent moon
hollow sun
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same

mint coral
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Delta chamber my beloved

latent moon
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delta chamber is absolutely based

lean timber
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my highest heat with rail is 3. i think i'm worse

hollow sun
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delta chamber is fun i wont lie

mint coral
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Iframes on dashes kinda good lol

latent moon
lean timber
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don't need them

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yeah, a shotgun instead of a repeating rifle. i'll stick with lucifer thanks

acoustic bolt
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so do i use a boon on tempest strikes or razor shoals for a sea storm build

latent moon
mint coral
humble iron
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i cant use sheild at all my best heat w/ sheild is 12

patent mesa
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bruh wait I thought we were joking about hating rail

lean timber
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hestia is the empowered first shot after reloading right?

mint coral
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Well depend on the weapon you wanna use tempesg strike

acoustic bolt
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well they're both level 2 i'm just not sure which one increases damage more

hollow sun
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sheild i think has the most fun factor

lean timber
acoustic bolt
latent moon
warm nimbus
acoustic bolt
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i'm already using tempest strike i'm just not sure if the boon should be on the rail or shoals

patent mesa
acoustic bolt
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tempest strikes or shoals i mean

hollow sun
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dude it was like 3 of us here now theres like 10

latent moon
mint coral
humble iron
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nah im bow gang any aspect is fub other than zag

latent moon
mint coral
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Shoals wont proc sea storm

patent mesa
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hm

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eris even without rocket is like the most brainless aspect imo

mint coral
hollow sun
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chiron is best bow hands down

mint coral
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Zag bow gud but boring

acoustic bolt
patent mesa
acoustic bolt
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tempest strikes is proccing sea storm and shoals

patent mesa
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wait

warm nimbus
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aim your special at enemies -> dash dash -> dash dash -> repeat

mint coral
warm nimbus
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if youre better theres some reload cancelling in there but i suck so

hollow sun
mint coral
humble iron
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i like rama and hera the best

mint coral
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Nothing big brain

latent moon
# patent mesa eris even without rocket is like the most brainless aspect imo

bold of you to assume i'm competent at this game
yeah ofc it can work fine without rocket bomb but the timing for the landing, keeping the bonus damage up, and maintaining ammo is just a lot of things to keep in mind for me and rocket bomb would take a bit of it off since it's much faster. delta chamber would also solve a bit of this problem too i suppose

hollow sun
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rama is rama

warm nimbus
mint coral
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Just mash ron

hollow sun
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rama exists and nothing more

patent mesa