#h1-discussion

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warm nimbus
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45+

signal aspen
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then you wont be able to get clockets

warm nimbus
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yeah true

patent mesa
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good

pastel monolith
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im trying different heat settings to get 32 in each aspect, i thoufht i might get lucky

warm nimbus
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clockets is so good

patent mesa
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clockets is just bad charged volley change my mind

pastel monolith
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i was feelin good about the run till that point too

signal aspen
warm nimbus
signal aspen
patent mesa
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also ME is super overrated

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like just wait one second

lean timber
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literally

warm nimbus
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ME sucks

signal aspen
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so true

warm nimbus
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except when you make funny builds out of it\

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like ME arthur

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haha so funny

pastel monolith
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seems to be the speed run choice for some aspects

lean timber
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merciful end more like merciful ego boost for people that say it's good

patent mesa
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yeah bottom 5 duo tbh

lean timber
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skill issue! i stay on zag sword 🗿

pastel monolith
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but i can bever rly get me or work that well, i usualy get it too late

warm nimbus
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we all know best duo is curse of drowning

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nobody needs to say it

pastel monolith
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which is curse of drowning again?

lean timber
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as if it's not ingrained in everyone's heads

patent mesa
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it's broken that's what it is

lean timber
warm nimbus
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lol i was about to go from speedrunning to high heat and almost forgot to swap dds and hc

patent mesa
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sucks that it's leaderboard banned

lean timber
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no way 💀

warm nimbus
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yeah lmao

lean timber
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must be too good...

patent mesa
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all the sub 6s are curse of drowning so I get why it was banned

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still sucks

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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yeah exactly

signal aspen
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pre nerf cod was so busted

lean timber
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those kinds of bans are lame. let us destroy the game. it'd be like allowing performance drugs in the olympics. like i want to see JUST how good we can get

warm nimbus
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like legit though it instaphased every boss and was god tier at clearing

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only viable build and kinda just killed the game

patent mesa
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wait fr it was nerfed?

warm nimbus
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yeah

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last patch

lean timber
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hardly. still busted

patent mesa
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oh yeah I see

warm nimbus
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they nerfed its damage from 1700 to 50

patent mesa
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meh still easy sub 6 for me

pastel monolith
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i wish there was some kind of marathon mode where u can restart the rub with ur existing build and do another lap, maybe just u stop getting boons or u have to add a bunch more heat every time

lean timber
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seeds

warm nimbus
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honestly i wish i could use clockets earlier than elysium

signal aspen
warm nimbus
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ooh and triple and hazard too

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triple hazard clockets

signal aspen
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cluster rocket hazard bombs 😳

daring lantern
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🤨

lean timber
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aspect of ERIS

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mmmm

daring lantern
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which weapon is that again

rustic vale
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delta rockets

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rail

mint coral
patent mesa
warm nimbus
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delta fire spread fire op

daring lantern
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the gun

lean timber
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the gun

signal aspen
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your mom

rustic vale
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delta chamber but it's on rockets

patent mesa
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I wanna mod that lol

warm nimbus
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ricochet bomb

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ok wait thought experiment

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if you could take one hammer from any weapon and put it on another weapon which would be the most busted

patent mesa
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charged shot on fist

warm nimbus
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cursed slash would actually be good on zag rail for high heat

patent mesa
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fr though

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draining cutter

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on like idk

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chiron?

warm nimbus
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ye

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wait its still the same

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so idk if itd be that good

patent mesa
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yo cursed slash on zag rail would be wild

warm nimbus
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yeah thats what i said

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add on flurry fire and hermes attavk boon and op

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instant hp

patent mesa
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cursed slash on lucifer bruh

warm nimbus
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with eternal chamber?

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invincible

patent mesa
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of course

lean timber
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mmm gaining 2hp per tick as long as i fire mmm i love WINNING

warm nimbus
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dude 64 heat would be so easy then

patent mesa
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cluster bomb on chiron

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nice

warm nimbus
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rocket bomb on chiron?

patent mesa
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idk how that would work

warm nimbus
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8 homing rockets

rustic vale
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hazard bomb on chiron

warm nimbus
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what about chain skewer on eris with rocket bomb

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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hazard bomb on fists

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can't dodge the self damage anymore

warm nimbus
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lmao nice

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what about

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dedge on zag spear

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useful?

patent mesa
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extremely

lean timber
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better than serrated lol

warm nimbus
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maybe zag spear would actually be good then

patent mesa
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hestia dedge too

lean timber
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mmm

warm nimbus
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mmmm yes

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lucifer degde

signal aspen
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imagine if sword had dedge 🤯

lean timber
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twin shot fists

patent mesa
signal aspen
warm nimbus
patent mesa
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lucifer dedge + hunter dash

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op op op

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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hazard bombs on gilgamesh

signal aspen
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🗿

lean timber
signal aspen
rustic vale
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or demeter

patent mesa
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but just the self damage part

warm nimbus
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cursed slash on arthur lol

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wait thats a sword hammer

patent mesa
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bruh

rustic vale
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hoarding slash on rail

warm nimbus
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also if you like arthur so much wheres that arthur 50 hm?

rustic vale
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um

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my highest heat isn't even 16 yet

patent mesa
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I had one

lean timber
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you mean arthur 60? ez

patent mesa
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then I threw vs dad

warm nimbus
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actually?

patent mesa
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turned me off arthur for a while

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yeah

warm nimbus
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damn

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so close

patent mesa
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very sad

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just needed athena dd

lean timber
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on that note, do ppl actually run artemis on arthur? feels like a trap

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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arthur dad is actually awful

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dumpster frame data

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can't dodge crap

warm nimbus
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yeah

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welcome to arthur

patent mesa
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what really depressed me though was that it was an RI2 AP1 smair run

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so super highroll already

rustic vale
warm nimbus
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have you tried em4?

patent mesa
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lol

warm nimbus
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em4 arthur easy

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free heat

rustic vale
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dedge on rama

patent mesa
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what damage?

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just damage reduce bro

warm nimbus
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yknow i hated rail for so long

rustic vale
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flurry shot on hera

warm nimbus
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then i realized you were supposed to turn off aim at cursor

warm nimbus
signal aspen
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flurry shot hera 😱

rustic vale
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

patent mesa
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so much sweaty aiming

rustic vale
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it's not like you can literally get that on it

signal aspen
patent mesa
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yeah it was hard

rustic vale
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relentless volley on gloves

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triple shot on shield

signal aspen
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charged shot on beo 😱

patent mesa
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no way bro

rustic vale
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sniper shot on gloves 😱

patent mesa
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sniper shot on gloves 😱

signal aspen
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imagine point blank on gloves

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so your low base damage attack

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can do more damage

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crazy

patent mesa
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then r/hades would have the right idea with arty attack fists

signal aspen
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do they actually use that

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and think its good

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do they pair it with privileged status too

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and then complain about tight deadline being too hard

rustic vale
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targeting system on chiron

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hazard bomb on arthur

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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yeah that's just part of the trend of the rule of thumb of flat damage for fast attackers not being common knowledge there

warm nimbus
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weird...

lean timber
mint coral
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but ngl props for them for reaching styx (32 heat) with that

patent mesa
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lmao poseidon attack fists would obliterate styx at least

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and would have competent damage with sea storm vs dad

mint coral
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guess what they didnt have

patent mesa
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wait did I just talk myself into poseidon attack fists

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lmao what

mint coral
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they got a drunken strike replace to help with their dmg at dad

lean timber
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death.

patent mesa
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no shot

mint coral
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cuz tempest strike was being awful lmao

patent mesa
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cracked

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did they win though

mint coral
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yup

lean timber
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me entering greece with heroic drunken strike fists and literally no other boons

mint coral
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like i saw the victory screen and saw drunk strike and went "congrats!" then they told me about tempest strike before styx lol

patent mesa
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ok I'm gonna try poseidon attack fists 32

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gonna be insanely op

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it's called the super fister build

mint coral
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wait im seeing the post again and is an em4 pact lol

signal aspen
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did it have ap2 too

mint coral
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ap1

signal aspen
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olympian favor gods legacy dusa

patent mesa
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oh it's god mode

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nvm

mint coral
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hold up "i didnt realize there was a third phase"

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was that their first em4 dusa

patent mesa
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80% god mode too

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nice

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if that was non god mode I would've lost my mind

warm nimbus
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
patent mesa
warm nimbus
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oh ok lol

patent mesa
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40 with poseidon attack fists is pushing it right

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I'll just do 32

warm nimbus
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one thing that drives me mad on the subreddit is how they call hades [REDACTED]

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idk why its just really annoying

patent mesa
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you get relentlessly downvoted if you question it or don't follow it

warm nimbus
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really?

patent mesa
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which is annoying yeah

warm nimbus
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dear god

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also there are a ridiculous number of new players on that sub

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like ones that havent even beat the game yet

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like bruh stop youre going to get spoiled

patent mesa
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yeah which is great on one hand

mint coral
warm nimbus
patent mesa
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but also when 90% of statements on the viability of something is from someone that hasn't even beaten dad before

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that's just bad

mint coral
patent mesa
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other new players get shafted by that

warm nimbus
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legit though yeah

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anyway they do realize if they dont want to spoil who the final boss is they can just but the spoiler thing on it?

patent mesa
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indeed

warm nimbus
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like they dont need to just be like [REDACTED]

patent mesa
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as a joke it's fine whatever

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but berating people for not doing it is so obnoxious

mint coral
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i barely see that happen but tbf i just browse new there

warm nimbus
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yeah i rarely browse the sub

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whenever i do though its like 80% good and 20% wtf wack

latent moon
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there is some pretty good art on there sometimes tho

warm nimbus
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but that 20% feels like a lot more than 20%

patent mesa
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oh as a community it's great imo

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avoids 90% of toxic gamerism that other game subs have lmao

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but sheesh go there for gameplay tips and come back an arty attack fists main on privileged status

mint coral
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most of the posts are questions like "hidden aspects/X character bond"

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the hidden aspects one is always funny cuz is easy to mess up the "zag aspects dont count" thing

latent moon
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wait this guy has hardly any clears and is using em4 without a full mirror holy hell

patent mesa
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game should do a better job with locked hearts and hidden aspects imo

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like even just some flavor text that hints at what to do

patent mesa
warm nimbus
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honestly i see most people there recommend ff tbh

mint coral
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locked hearts just feel bad

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specially Poseidon lock

warm nimbus
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but olympian favor man 😔

mint coral
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or hypnos/than 🗿

patent mesa
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ever since apparently speedrunners dropped PS

warm nimbus
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towards ff or away?

patent mesa
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now FF superiority is starting to seep through

warm nimbus
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since when did they use ps

patent mesa
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idk that's what I heard

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like at some point in the past people ran PS but then realized FF was better 90% of the time

mint coral
patent mesa
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lmao

mint coral
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also what are the opinions on the of speedrunners

patent mesa
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if they aren't nonexistent I'll make sure they are

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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ask @raw herald

warm nimbus
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@raw herald when was it

mint coral
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charon wells good

warm nimbus
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of?

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why not df

mint coral
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more keys = more rolls for charon wells

patent mesa
warm nimbus
lean timber
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wellmaxxing is my favorite strat that i will never ever be patient enough to use

mint coral
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well casts are so funny on cast weapons tbh

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take +50% cast dmg for 20 coins

patent mesa
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wellmaxing is a hoax invented by big housecontractor to sell us more fated persuasion

warm nimbus
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yep yep

lean timber
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charon bond should have a 20% price decrease lmao

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just for fun and screw balance

mint coral
lean timber
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what little balance the well even maintains

mint coral
lean timber
patent mesa
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my favorite is how wells can either triple your damage or sell you 0 health, gemstones, and special +%

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best rng source

warm nimbus
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ugh i always hate when you have to choose between charon and that boon you really need on high heat

patent mesa
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esp on RI2

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can't buy jack

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you know I just thought about it for a moment and I'm pretty sure you can make an argument that touch of styx is the strongest well item out of all of them

warm nimbus
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yeah i chose charon and got the boon i wanted anyway

patent mesa
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it's the item that I'm guaranteed to buy every time I see it

warm nimbus
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so yeah ez thats how you play hades

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just get the stuff you want

latent moon
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just don't get 5 sacked

patent mesa
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hypnos moment

warm nimbus
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lol i love when something went wrong with my save data in the middle of a good run

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we love backup saves

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bruh

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i forgot to reset my sd before going into lernie and died from it

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ez

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and i had like almost everything 😔

final plaza
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What are the best Mirror of night upgrades?

rustic vale
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abyssal blood /j

warm nimbus
final plaza
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Mike is very knowledgeable

warm nimbus
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meh

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idk he kinda sucks ngl

final plaza
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Do you ever not take a chaos portal?

mint coral
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at high heat were ap2 can make you take some awful curse/gate too close to the boss

final plaza
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Cool

warm nimbus
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yep pretty much

latent moon
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at lower heats you pretty much want to always take it tho unless it's too close to a boss and you dont think you can handle a boss and a curse at the same time

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unless you're speedrunning and then you always take the chaos gate for a free room

rustic vale
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What influences call charge speed?

latent moon
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Getting smacked and smacking them I think

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And various boons

rustic vale
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Like

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Is it purely how many times your are attacking and get hit back? Nothing to do with damage dealt per hit

latent moon
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Oh hm

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No clue then

high island
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Damage matters.

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But 10 × 10 damage will build more god gauge than 1 × 100 damage.

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That's why weapons that hit hard but slow build god gauge only slowly.

rustic vale
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Hmm

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Tight deadline 2 is really pressuring me to speedrun

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This is fun

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Speedrun* compared to my normal pace

median spear
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damn i just finished hades and i freaking love it

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is it fine to ask "any other games like hades you guys played"?

rapid tide
median spear
rapid tide
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aight thx

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lmao

median spear
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tell us what happens ight?

rapid tide
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sure

gray apex
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It can definitely win

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Should be close to effortless at this point

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I would recommend you use a different heat modifier for next time tho, and don’t use pstatus unless you’re gonna build around it, which is not worth it most of the time

rapid tide
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ite

rustic vale
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Anything can win

rapid tide
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died

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F

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half thru second phase

rustic vale
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Damn

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Close though

rapid tide
rustic vale
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Extreme measures 1

rapid tide
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k

rustic vale
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it just makes the furies slightly difficulter

rapid tide
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I see

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and for heat 2? I want some more titan blood, ambrosia and etc

rustic vale
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I can’t tell you how much more difficult because I haven’t played without it in so long

rapid tide
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i see

gray apex
rustic vale
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Think tightdeadline or middle management

rapid tide
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Okay

rustic vale
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Tight deadline 1 essentially means you gotta finish the run in 36 minutes total

rapid tide
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yeah

rustic vale
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Wait I’ll find you the guide

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I’ve been using it

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It’s really helpful

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save it and then you don't really have to ask anymore

rapid tide
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ty

median spear
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it sounds interesting as hell

rustic vale
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Potentially

median spear
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potentially?

rustic vale
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I’m not sure if there is more due to not looking into farther since I’m almost halfway through the list rn

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Almost at 16 heat on some weapons

rapid tide
high island
violet jasper
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I made a sheet, it's kinda sorta old, has some builds fleshed out and others that I started working on and then didn't

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Feel free to check it out and take a look if you have any questions but I think at this point the most important thing is that heat guide

rustic vale
rapid tide
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I see

short kernel
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also fighting only 1 fury is boring after you get used to em1

rustic vale
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I uh

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The furies die too fast for me to remember that there are more than 1 of them

upbeat shore
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I got all the bonds, now what?

high island
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Now do 40 Heat. dusa

upbeat shore
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But I haven't even done 20 heat shadefear

high island
upbeat shore
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How many heat is the third Skelly prize

gray apex
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32

upbeat shore
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Oh no, I thought it would be 24 shadegrief

honest citrus
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Demeter and Athena Duo is so busted lmao

gray apex
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It can be early on

honest citrus
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idk it carried my first winning attempt

signal aspen
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its meh

honest citrus
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my dps was disgustingly low but i won after a 15 minutes hades fight lmao

signal aspen
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def a lot better if you are newer to the game

gray apex
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Yea that's what I meant

honest citrus
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yeah i guess

gray apex
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Having to use all your Defiances for it to work is a big drawback

honest citrus
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yeah ig

signal aspen
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having it on sds at high heat is very nice tho

patent mesa
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I had it for a 50 and it kinda sucked tbh

honest citrus
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i probably just tend to get destroyed way more because im still new to the game i just have 4 wins

patent mesa
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FO2 HL5 made it seem all but worthless and I sold it in styx

gray apex
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It wont outheal most attacks

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If any

signal aspen
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its nice

patent mesa
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yeah just not enough healing

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in normal encounters it was like +5-10 hp afterwards at best

honest citrus
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but yeah so far ares and artemis have carried a lot of my runs

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slicing shot is insane

signal aspen
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its good

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a lot better if you use it with aspect of achilles

patent mesa
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I wish hunting blades wasn't worthless pre duo

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but at least achilles can do damage with attack buff beforehand

signal aspen
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hunting blades is the duo

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smh

patent mesa
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yeah yeah I mean hunting blades the build

signal aspen
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🗿

gray apex
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It's not worthless

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You're probably just not using it well

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Which is most people

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Because Achilles hard

patent mesa
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achilles hard can confirm

honest citrus
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yeah slicing shot can quickly deal 1000 damage without any upgrades

signal aspen
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idk about that

gray apex
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=sharing there is some info about how to use Slicing shot here

Google Docs
Achilles Spear Guide Addendum: The Mechanical Guide

The Achilles Spear Mechanical Guide By CardDweeb Foreword Hey everyone! This is meant to be an add-on to the current Achilles Guide by 185in, which can be found here. The original guide is a little outdated, but it is still a good starting point for Achilles. Purpose What is the purpose of this...

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pre hunting blades

patent mesa
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oh so you special after dstrikes

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just like swords

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that's nice

honest citrus
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Aspect of Chiron on the bow feels

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ridiculously op

patent mesa
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yeah it's good

signal aspen
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its good

patent mesa
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I remember abusing it to cheese early hell mode clears

honest citrus
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alr i just started a run with it and the first hammer is concentrated volley lmao

high island
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And Chill + Deflect is just generally very safe.

deep pivot
void vigil
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got a diamond from sunken treasure omg

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upbeat shore
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I didn't know it could do that

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Also please gib some of your nectar squirtooh

gray apex
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Is this a Hera enjoyer I'm seeing

void vigil
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I have been enjoying hera lately

void vigil
upbeat shore
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"Look at all that blood. That's a lot of blood."

safe tinsel
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Why do you need all of that

void vigil
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i have nothing to do with it

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ive upgraded everything already except for the resource director, which i am saving the darkness for

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it needs 325k

umbral parrot
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325 thousand?!?!?

gray apex
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Yup

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Lategame resource sink

void vigil
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as you can see im about halfway there

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bit over

gray apex
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The problem is you can't buy them all at once once you have enough darkness lol

void vigil
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true, ill need to do 50 more runs

safe tinsel
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Has enough resources to 100% the game like 3 times over

pastel monolith
upbeat shore
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Oh is 325k the grand total of all of them?

devout terrace
honest citrus
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Why did you have 4 boon choices?

latent moon
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mod

honest citrus
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oh alr

latent moon
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it just removes rng because normally you're guaranteed the 3/4 core boons and if you dont get the one you want you have to waste a reroll and still might not get it

signal aspen
upbeat shore
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Is Cerberus a Call or a Cthonic Companion? thanthink

signal aspen
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neither

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hades summons him in the em4 fight

upbeat shore
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No I know

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I mean for Hades

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Is it a Call or a Cthonic Companion

devout terrace
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Companion

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You can use calls multiple times in the same encounter

upbeat shore
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Makes sense

devout terrace
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But companions only once

mint coral
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Ceberus plushie is oficial

high island
upbeat shore
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Oh cool

vale ocean
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theseus reminds me of logan paul

brisk trail
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shuuussshhh

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noo

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please because you’re not wrong 😭

rustic vale
brisk trail
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like they’re both pretty bad people

vale ocean
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oh and on the note of theseus being bad, why does he say blackguard like a slur

rustic vale
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Look up the definition real quick

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a man who behaves in a dishonourable or contemptible way.

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It shouldn’t even be in his vocabulary due to timing but it fits

warm nimbus
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@ supergiant why isnt the game in ancient greek??? hm???

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why

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why discord

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ok this is even worse wtf

narrow hemlock
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an attempt was made

warm nimbus
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fixed

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lmao that was a disaster

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sorry to that random person who was pinged

rustic vale
#

It’s fine

vale ocean
#

also why does antos exist it is worse in every way than mort

latent moon
#

why do any of the keepsakes exist when everyone uses meg's personal preference i suppose

vale ocean
#

i dont even have meg's is it really that good

strong ridge
latent moon
#

and it can hit more because it hits in a straight line

patent mesa
latent moon
#

you can hit all -1 of the witches in the witches circle miniboss with meg's

strong ridge
#

certain buffs can make it do 3750

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idk what but i have done it i think targeting sys ? dk

patent mesa
#

targeting system and sweet surrender boost companion damage yeah

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idk what else

vale ocean
#

i think i have missed with mort like twice in my whole career

patent mesa
#

are you on FO2

vale ocean
#

nah

patent mesa
#

well there's the reason

latent moon
#

turn on fo2 and you'll miss more lol

patent mesa
#

mort is god awful on FO2

rustic vale
rustic vale
strong ridge
#

the day i crit with meg is the day i wr

rustic vale
#

So hunters mark works out

patent mesa
#

huh that's cool

strong ridge
#

how come it never crits then

#

scam

rustic vale
#

or like the artemis+dio duo also works for getting crit % on companions

#

I think

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Huntersmark still works better

vale ocean
patent mesa
#

that's weird because I don't think I've ever seen a companion crit personally

vale ocean
#

i mean a companion critting doesnt really do much bc of bosses becoming impervious

latent moon
#

instaphasing a boss would be nice tho

#

esp the champs battle

rustic vale
#

I think I have

vale ocean
#

well its not really insta since he still usually has a sliver of health left but still

latent moon
#

i always play with fo2 tho so that's an issue

vale ocean
#

even then i think it still works bc theseus stays still for a while after becoming impervious

latent moon
#

the issue is hitting him with mort

patent mesa
#

the best way to mort vs heroes is use it on solo theseus

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which means 3500 damage vs 5000 from meg

#

so yeah

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meg supremacy

vale ocean
#

i usually use mort during theseus' voice lines which makes an audio mess

latent moon
#

also i get the feeling that with a good beowulf build i'd get one of them down to their impervious state before it actually lands and it'll get wasted lol

gray apex
#

Mort’s tradeoff is that it’s so slow for a bit more damage

#

Beowulf could probably kill both heroes before it lands

vale ocean
#

jesus

warm nimbus
patent mesa
#

RD moment

latent moon
#

are those all +50% cast damage on the side?

#

or is that movement speed

gray apex
#

Movement speed

latent moon
#

oh that's a big rush delivery then lol

#

how'd they get all of them from the same well? they're all at 16

vale ocean
#

rerolls

gray apex
#

It is a seeded savestate

warm nimbus
latent moon
#

where's my good rng smh

warm nimbus
#

caps lock lmao

gray apex
#

But you can get them from the same well, just have to be incredibly lucky

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And you need atleast 1 reroll

latent moon
#

mfw i get +special damage three times

gray apex
#

There are other ways to scale this was just easy to setup

#

But yes it’s a ton of damage

#

Can substitute some if for braids or a 5th stone, chaos shots etc

upbeat shore
#

The game said my EM4 clear with the bow was all a dream shadegrief

gray apex
#

Beo Shreds heroes regardless, Hunter’s mark is really good there

short kernel
#

dash towards the one that's alone, attack towards it with your weapon, then meg once the furthest one moves towards you enough

gray apex
#

Yup

signal aspen
warm nimbus
#

beautiful diagram

signal aspen
#

Thanks

patent mesa
#

good setup

signal aspen
#

Thanks

gray apex
#

np

latent moon
#

ah i've only seen the set up to hit all -1 where you rush the center one to make it line up with most of the others

gray apex
#

This setup is just way better because it groups them up

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Even if you don’t hit 4

latent moon
#

yeah i'll be using this one now

gray apex
#

Just easier to clean up

signal aspen
#

I've gotten a 1 witch meg before

warm nimbus
signal aspen
#

Very poggers

latent moon
signal aspen
warm nimbus
#

wow

signal aspen
#

3 years ago

warm nimbus
#

how epic gamers poggers was it when it happened?

signal aspen
#

When they were still making the Speedrun meta

warm nimbus
signal aspen
#

Back when hades spear with lightning strike was meta

signal aspen
rustic vale
patent mesa
rustic vale
short kernel
warm nimbus
#

yeah lightning strike used to do 80 damage

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and hades spear ability was built in flurry jab so it was really good

#

but then they nerfed it to the ground, hooknows why

short kernel
#

oh
how did hades spear work before?

warm nimbus
#

im kidding, afaik its always worked like this

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although youd have to ask one of the early access gamers to make sure

short kernel
#

I’ve never seen how hades spear gives built in flurry jab

warm nimbus
#

it doesnt

rustic vale
#

Majik

short kernel
#

oh

pastel monolith
#

have u seen the video where haelian did a revenge build and AFKd em4?

high island
lean timber
high island
#

Hades Aspect had the normal spin radius at one point.

lean timber
#

terrible. a crime against Hades

upbeat shore
#

What is considered 100%ing the game?

rustic vale
#

Being me

lean timber
#

maxing all aspects, keepsakes and companions, forging all bonds, and claiming all bounties. true 100% would be beating the game with 64 heat and getting max level rank from the director

icy knoll
#

(nobody has ever beaten the game at 64 heat just to clarify)

rustic vale
#

Really?

latent moon
#

i thought i remember someone mentioning a name here that did beat 64

lean timber
#

not without seeded

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unseeded would be hell

warm nimbus
#

yeah baj beat 64 heat seeded

#

ridiculous

lean timber
#

took nearly every free room he could kekw really cool run to watch

signal aspen
#

Literally everything in the run was perfect

icy knoll
#

which also means it's technically 59 heat since no ap2 bouldy

upbeat shore
signal aspen
upbeat shore
#

This is wild.

brisk trail
#

hey guys so i have found the hidden aspects of lucifer and arthur who do i pick first to unlock?

next compass
rustic vale
#

Arthur

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It’s the best sword aspect

brisk trail
#

Also a few days ago i got pranked by skelly with his quest.

#

i'm still upset

latent moon
#

The prophecy gives you back the titan blood tho doesn't it

#

So doesn't really matter too much lol

low nexus
#

hello. i m looking for weapon tier list pls

rustic vale
#

Every single other weapon or aspect > aspect of chaos on the shield

#

thats all you need to know tbh

low nexus
rustic vale
#

Nope

#

Absolutely not

upbeat shore
#

You mean to tell me Hades is better than Chaos?

rustic vale
#

Actually I have to reconsider now that you’ve brought hades up

upbeat shore
#

I completely forgot about Aspect of Hades earlier too zaglol

#

And then I tried it today

#

Was awful

rustic vale
#

hades, chaos, zag sword all fall into the same category

median spear
#

what's your record guys? fastest clear doesn't matter the heat

patent mesa
median spear
#

heat?

#

🙂

patent mesa
#

yeah

median spear
#

that's kinda impressive ngl

#

what's the max heat possible

rustic vale
#

64

patent mesa
#

62 has been done unseeded

median spear
#

interesting

patent mesa
#

with eris and zeus I think

rustic vale
#

apparently 64’s been done but only while seeded

latent moon
#

Fastest for me was 9:30 highest heat only 32

median spear
#

holy

#

ngl that's impressive

latent moon
#

Do keep in mind those metrics are separate from each other lol

median spear
#

lmao

latent moon
#

Also know that other people here are much faster and better than me lol

rustic vale
#

I got sub 18 the other day which was really cool

median spear
#

yeah dude it's fine
take pride in your acomplishments

median spear
rustic vale
#

Nope

#

Like

median spear
patent mesa
#

getting fast times at high heat kinda just comes down to luck and early snowballing with a good build and free rooms

latent moon
patent mesa
#

I have 32 heats pushing 20min then 50 heats sub 15min same aspect

#

just luck

signal aspen
rustic vale
#

13 heat

median spear
#

how though

patent mesa
#

both cheat engine

median spear
#

6 minutes runs?

signal aspen
rustic vale
patent mesa
signal aspen
#

Got me

patent mesa
#

ladies and gentlemen

#

we got him

median spear
rustic vale
#

we got him

median spear
#

was that level 3?

upbeat shore
#

I haven't unlocked the second Skelly prize yet. If I were to theoretically do a 32 heat run right now, would I unlock both the second and third prizes at once, or would I have to do a second 32 heat run?

signal aspen
#

Only one way to find out

median spear
#

wait skelly gives prizes?

rustic vale
#

I’m fairly certain that was hestia

latent moon
#

I think so

median spear
#

the sniper aspect

rustic vale
#

It’s level 4

#

sniper?

patent mesa
rustic vale
#

Wdym sniper

median spear
#

a single empowered shot

#

sounds like a sniper to me

patent mesa
#

hestia is the sniper aspect

rustic vale
#

Ohh

#

ohhhhh

signal aspen
#

It also increases the range

median spear
#

that too

patent mesa
#

good synergy with cheat engine

signal aspen
#

Not like we use that in speedruns tho bouldy

median spear
#

chaos shields?

upbeat shore
#

Hestia/Orph build time! zaglol

latent moon
#

Oh god

signal aspen
patent mesa
#

distant memory 🤮

rustic vale
signal aspen
#

It was the slowest aspect in the game for a while

brisk trail
#

sad fire duo?

patent mesa
#

wrong chaos aspect cracked

rustic vale
signal aspen
signal aspen
#

I think

#

By like 3 seconds

patent mesa
#

special = good
chaos = 5x special
chaos = good

#

math checks out

median spear
signal aspen
#

Yes

#

It's very good

median spear
#

i would have thought it would be slower than eris

patent mesa
#

consider this: it's bad

median spear
#

since you need to reload for every bullet

signal aspen
#

Wait no nvm

median spear
#

for every empowered bullet*

signal aspen
#

Lmao

patent mesa
#

lucy fastest?

#

better be

signal aspen
#

It was the fastest

rustic vale
#

zagrail fastest?

signal aspen
#

Eris at 5:0x modded rn

#

I believe

median spear
#

5:0x?

patent mesa
#

RD moment

signal aspen
#

Might be trippin

upbeat shore
#

Is there like a specific approved mod list for modded times?

latent moon
patent mesa
#

also used for high heat

median spear
#

is maxxed hestia really that powerful?

#

i have it on lvl 3 and eh

#

it's not that impressive

patent mesa
#

I believe it's the strongest aspect in the game

rustic vale
#

150 damage shot go pew pew

patent mesa
#

it's either that or eris or beowulf or zeus

#

but yeah it's insane

median spear
#

honestly im more of a bow guy

#

rama or chiron

rustic vale
#

Yup

patent mesa
#

oh yeah or rama that's good too

signal aspen
#

Yeah eris at 5:04

rustic vale
#

Modded means what for speedrunning

#

Like

#

What type of mod

median spear
#

where can i see the leaderboard for speedruns?

latent moon
patent mesa
rustic vale
median spear
latent moon
#

yeah ik it's slow i want to know the number lol

signal aspen
rustic vale
#

swing 1: 60, swing 2: 80, swing 3: 200

median spear
latent moon
#

oh right it's varying numbers

patent mesa
#

all 3 swings should be 200 damage tbh

upbeat shore
#

The Hades page on the Speedrun site should be the first result when you Google "Hades Speedrun"

signal aspen
#

Ngl

median spear
#

a rama user has the 2nd fastest clear

patent mesa
median spear
#

hera is no.1

patent mesa
#

wait wrong server

upbeat shore
#

That's because Hera is based.

median spear
signal aspen
#

It's fun yeah

#

Falls off at speedruns and high heat

median spear
#

all swords do that

patent mesa
#

eh curbstomping stuff on JS3 is funny

median spear
#

maybe except nemesis

signal aspen
#

Not as much as Arthur

patent mesa
#

but wow is it bad vs dad

median spear
signal aspen
#

I think 11th is nem

patent mesa
#

top 20 are all ME zag sword smh

upbeat shore
#

In Fresh File, sure

median spear
#

can't send pictures yet

signal aspen
#

11th is a 6:01 by lap right

median spear
#

number 20 is nem

patent mesa
#

fresh file meta needs to be balanced man

#

it's all ME sword abuse

median spear
#

the player is c_gull

rustic vale
#

Sea gull hehe

upbeat shore
#

Oh c_gull is the one who routed the 64 heat clear, right?

#

And Baj was the one who played it?

#

Y'all were just telling me earlier I think

signal aspen
signal aspen
latent moon
signal aspen
#

Hunting blades

rustic vale
#

baj played it

signal aspen
#

I played it

latent moon
#

ah

#

isn't ME easier to get tho because you start with athena

signal aspen
#

Joking

#

You have 1 cast bouldy

latent moon
#

idk man i'm dumb lol

#

oh right i forgot about that too

upbeat shore
#

I love that Super Soaker has its own category

signal aspen
#

Because it's ass

#

Needs its own category to keep up

dull niche
#

has to be separated from everything else because it’s too powerful

signal aspen
#

That's true mb

patent mesa
warm nimbus
dull niche
#

hesty besty

patent mesa
warm nimbus
#

ap2 scares me lmao

patent mesa
#

AP2 bad game design

daring lantern
#

bro i was doing extreme measures hades for the first time and almost beat him

#

but i choked at the end then died

hollow thunder
#

Can someone explain the boons system to me?

#

I have a feeling there's more to it than I'm getting, and that the boons you get aren't random

daring lantern
#

with some keepsakes the boon at the entrance will depend on whos keepsake you get

patent mesa
#

it's extremely complicated

daring lantern
#

yeah

hollow thunder
#

I found some charts

#

What do these charts mean?

patent mesa
#

but there are some basic rules

#

if you have all four core slots open the game will offer 3 of them on the first selection

#

if you have 1-3 core slots open the game will offer at least 1 of them or a replacement

#

you have a 50% chance of seeing a status curse if the god doesn't come with one by default

hollow thunder
#

May I send one of the charts so you see what I mean?

#

Wait you can't send images

#

Here's a link anyway

#

It shows Aphrodite's boons organized into some sort of flowchart

#

Oh it does work!

latent moon
#

oh that's a guide on how boon tiers work

#

the column of 4 are core boons (tier 1), the column of 3 are tier 3 boons, the very last one is the legendary which requires some combination of them

rustic vale
#

Easy way to see what you need yo get to get other boons

patent mesa
#

lmao apparently hazard damage can crit

warm nimbus
hollow thunder
#

Understood

warm nimbus
#

how do you stand being locked out of tidal dash like 3 times in a row?

hollow thunder
#

So once you've selected four different "boon types", no other gods will show up

patent mesa
#

yeah that's why I avoid AP2 at all costs

hollow thunder
#

So, say I take a buff from Zeus, Poseidon, Aries, and Demeter

patent mesa
#

it's the least fun heat

hollow thunder
#

Then I will only ever see those four

warm nimbus
#

yes

rustic vale
#

Unless you force through trinkets

warm nimbus
#

yeah that too

warm nimbus
#

omg i just got locked out of +3 dashes

#

this is terrible

#

i wish it didnt show you the boons you could have had lmao

upbeat shore
#

Would AP feel less awful if it just didn't show you what you don't get to begin with?

warm nimbus
#

yes

#

its so sad seeing all these good options being crossed out

patent mesa
#

it would be same difficulty but less demoralizing

warm nimbus
#

yeah exactly

rustic vale
#

The demoralisation increases the difficulty

#

It’s intentional

warm nimbus
#

sgg knew what they were doing

upbeat shore
#

Have you ever lost a legendary to AP?

warm nimbus
#

meh, legendaries generally dont matter

honest citrus
#

just fought charon for the first time...

warm nimbus
#

only like fully loaded on cast builds but we all know that never happens anyway

upbeat shore
honest citrus
#

mf has stupid range

honest citrus
rustic vale
#

Imagine losing Huge Catch to AP

upbeat shore
#

Good

honest citrus
#

i had a broken fist build

warm nimbus
#

whats really bad is being locked out of tidal dash, jolted, etc

#

like crucial boons to your build

rustic vale
honest citrus
upbeat shore
#

I do not remember which one that one is

rustic vale
#

Broken fist build like apollo boons type broken? /j

rustic vale
honest citrus
#

yeah

upbeat shore
#

Oh

warm nimbus
#

r o d

upbeat shore
#

I remember now

#

Tbh Charon is a very predictable boss so once you know his attack patterns, he's not so scary

honest citrus
#

its kinda op tbh

upbeat shore
#

Hits like a truck tho

honest citrus
#

he also has the stupidest range imaginable

rustic vale
#

Its uh

#

Rod is not over powered in the slightest

latent moon
#

Charon is only strong because you hardly fight him

rustic vale
#

EM5 for charon fight when?

#

sgg I need to know

latent moon
#

Yeah he's got big range and hits hard but you only get the opportunity to face him like once every 5 runs and you might not even take it

#

Also the earlier you face him the harder it is so don't take it in Tartarus unless you get lucky and finish your build there

hollow thunder
#

I wonder if Spiffing Brit could make a video on this game
"Hades is perfectly balanced with no exploits whatsoever"
And then he breaks the game

upbeat shore
#

I'm going to start taking every mid-shop no matter what, and fighting Charon every time so I can practice.

latent moon
#

Taking every midshop is a good technique for having faster runs too lol

rustic vale
upbeat shore
#

I have up to this point been skipping them if I don't have the money to buy stuff there

rustic vale
latent moon
#

Always a good decision so you get a reward but it's just a strat for getting faster runs

honest citrus
latent moon
#

Also if you're trying to go fast then you probably won't need that 1 extra boon to make or break your build unless you really need that duo

honest citrus
#

is the shield really bad or am i using it wrong?

upbeat shore
#

Shield is good

#

How are you using it?

lean timber
#

shield is one of the best weapons in the game when you get into later game stuff and unlock ||aspects||

honest citrus
#

idk I just spam attack and bull rush most of the time

latent moon
#

Shield is good unless you're using chaos aspect

latent moon
lean timber
#

even chaos is good. give it CREDIT it's AWESOME

honest citrus
lean timber
#

i like hearing him talk to me

latent moon
#

Well it's just not great lol

upbeat shore
#

You probably just need to work on learning attack patterns and, as Hypnos says, try not being there when the attack lands

latent moon
#

Yeah you can get use out of it but the other aspects are just so much better

lean timber
honest citrus
#

is it just me or aspect of chiron on the bow is just straight up broken

latent moon
#

Try Beowulf if you think shield is bad lol

latent moon
#

Aphrodite atk Dionysus special, get the duo, and pom the crap out of the special

honest citrus
#

i usually go aphrodite attack and artemis special and hope for the duo

latent moon
#

Tidal dash and breaking wave for styx

latent moon
#

But you can stack more hangover with aphro Dio duo

warm nimbus
#

arty special is cool arty gaming though

patent mesa
latent moon
#

Also if you happen to see ares you can get curse of vengeance and then ares aphro duo with the other duo

honest citrus
#

concentrated volley is also insane with aspect of chiron

latent moon
#

What weapon is that for lol

patent mesa
#

hazard hestia

#

literally nothing I could do

latent moon
#

See you back at the house then lol

rustic vale
rustic vale
honest citrus
warm nimbus
#

dont know what youre talking about

rustic vale
#

Things that are broken are beowulf shield

warm nimbus
#

er wait those are speeder savior

#

still really awful

patent mesa
#

I honestly could've handled cloner savior since I had special

#

speeder savior is worse

#

because it speeds up DC regen

warm nimbus
#

on hestia? yeah

warm nimbus
#

youre kidding

latent moon
#

oh what

honest citrus
latent moon
#

yes

rustic vale
#

Yes