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You win a run you get a boss cell bc
After 5 you get access to the true ending along with extra content
Is fun but i def dont have enough patience to pratice the hardest mode just to get the ending 
Thats why i enjoyed Hades more ig
^
Also imo devs are now being a little indecisive
So I am just waiting until they decide enough is enough and finally stop adding to the game and” let it die”
Then I want to see what they have done with the game
Currently many agree the game is starting to get bloated now but regardless the general quality of it is still pretty good so it’s a bit hard to complain
I'd like dead cells a lot more if the game didn't laugh at you for getting hit one single more time than the combo reward allows for
and if the difficulty ramp wasn't like a flat line and then spiking at the last boss
imagine if hades had FO2 EM4 turned on by default
That sounds unpleasant
hot (lukewarm?) take you should've fought em4 on 10th run
would've been so much cooler
it can be a hidden fight that activates if you attack dad too much or stay in the arena too long
So far my favorite cast boon is still lighting rod
rod, my first carry
Now I wonder how viable it will be on 40+ heat
Maybe if I use nemesis build or Rama/zag/Chiron bow
Any bow that isn’t hera
High heat hera is playing bad zag bow
Really I thought It was good
To clarify bad zag bow is reg zag bow correct
Bad zag bow as in no natural crit chance
Oh
The tl;dr is that the higher you go it gets way harder to get poms/cast buffs
And enemies are more tanky so casts just get stuck
Wait around and time out
Beo also runs into the same problem of sometimes lacking poms but
- is a shield so its safe
- casts dont get stuck
Hera above 9 heat 
In other words doable but painful without some good rng

no but its true
Yea
I play rta hera at 15 heat
(I'm very talented)
wait a minute isn't that just TD
sus
y is the subredit so horny
ask supergiant
reddit moment
The better question is why is Reddit so horny
Also damn I will never underestimate true shot crits again
True shot 
anyone know why i cant access the full list of artifacts on the codex?
all i see are these
is that what i need to get the rest of the artifacts unlocked
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means the games modded
is that for all mods?
its for the speedrunning modpack
what the highest pom blessing one can get?
wdym
Highest I’ve seen is mid 50s
highest level of boon
ah yeah mid 50s
Yes
stop pinging me please
sorry
youre good
but you could get it above it i bet ive never seen anyone do it though
also after a certain point the increases become v e r y small
for most the upgrade falls off pretty damn hard after like level 7
there's usually no point in going past lv. 5
lvl 5 is already more than enough for most % scaling boons
Pom upgrades tend to reach their floor around Lv.4.
Getting only the minimum from an upgrade can still be decent enough though if it pushes you over the edge to hit damage breakpoints for any enemies. If it doesn't, it might as well do nothing.
If you have the Athena Artemis duo (i forget the name), does the attack that does the reflecting get the crit chance or only subsequent attacks
When deflect something, anything can crit for 2s, 20% chance
So specials, attacks, dashes, calls, doom etc
but let's say i have it on rail and i have deflect shot
does the shot that deflects get crit chance once it hits an enemy after deflecting
or is the crit applied once zag does the next attack
Yes, because everything gets crit chance
ok ty
The debuff is applied as soon as you deflect
You don’t usually hit and deflect in the same hit, usually
Any damage from Zagreus gets crit chance, to be clear. Doesn't apply to traps or summons.
From my Chiron clear with the duo, everything I deflected came back to Hades but none of them were critical so that probably means that the dmg you can reflect doesn't have the 20% crit buff into consideration yet
I can't say much more from my footage, my run has deflect on both dash and atk but it's not really convenient to attack while Hades wants to strike me as well so I don't have anything similar to your question
Feel free to watch if you want to see by yourself: https://youtu.be/qjXxf2niqWk
This took me a lot of practice but I finally was able to take down Hades at 50 Heat with a fightstick!
Shoutouts to the Hades community, especially the french crew: Astaos, Nitrostarch, NephiOH, Scr4tch, BSK.
Run done on PC
Fightstick model: PXN-0082
PS: Fiery Presence was a mistake, Chiron is optimal and should be used with Shadow Presence i...
I think the damage source of deflected attacks is still the foe. So it's only affected by Brilliant Riposte, Sweet Surrender, Maim, and Hunter's Mark.
petition to bring down charon's dmg -200% AT LEAST
I had an amazing run until I thought hey what if I do another duel
3 death defiances
and 1 full hp bar
100+ hp
to 0
😂
but I mean if they make him an unkillable god of gods
at least remove the borrow 300 money option
why's it there?
I can die by usual mobs anyway
It's not a borrow 300 Obols option.
It's a "borrow" 300 Obols option.
You tried to take his lunch money. That's what you get for that. 
welp gotta hope for another RNG Jesus blessing
maybe in 10 runs

I totally love wasting time
indeed
what an amazing run - ruined
You'll get better at the fight with practice, and you'll get better builds with more experience and knowledge.
Beat dad a second time let's goooo
Nice! Go go go! 
I swear my game is bugged or i am the unluckiest person ever
Ive never had a fish spawn in Hades lair
very bad luck imo
Yeah its pissing me off cause i want the achievement
Im geting close to perfecting the game
Steam achievement wise
did you already get credits
if not, look for fishing spots in all of greece water pools
also try getting poseidons huge catch legendary
if it was soooo good how did u not win 🤔
I did yeah, i read in the wiki that once greece is inaccessible then it should move to hades lair
Well i still havent gotten it. I hope i can find the boon
Just beat him boonless mirrorless.
with zag rail lvl 0
Heya I'm pre-queens plan
I just finished giving athena 6 nectar
and now I can give her more
unlike artemis and aphrodite
why?
each god has a "favor" you need to complete so you can gift them the rest of the hearts
so you completed athena's, but not artemis' or aprhodite's
Is there a place I can check for these favors, or even get some clues on them, within the game
I'm trying to resist the Wiki and whatnot
not really but some of them are prophecies, some will just happen naturally like by talking to that god a lot, some are a bit more obscure
alrighty thanks
I guess when resetting for good hammers, it would be reasonable. Otherwise I'd rather watch paint dry.
zagreus forgot how to aim

Which summons are the best ones?
I've maxed out meg because that's the only one I have, and I'm not sure which other ones to get
I've seen Sisyphus used a lot
I've rarely seen skelly and dusa
Meg is the most used in speedruns/high heat
meg for sure for sweaty stuff
for casual stuff where LC and CF aren't high bouldy is really nice for preserving DDs
for my first high heat run i used bouldy for extra health which was great
is hades multiplaya
No
I wish
Yes, just that player 2 character is invisible and does no damage.
I think SGG should buff P2 but no news so far. Ymmv.
yeah its because the game technically creates a new boon
like every time you level it up
thats why you see like lv4 passion flare in the run log
and if you have like absurd amount of poms and boons with poms in them it could theoretically overflow
never knew it could crash tho
tried it with codex menu
funny af
oneshotted skelly
that sounds like a terrible idea lmao
lmao yea
oh si
fresh file gamers too powerful
People got kinda good at it
just made a new save file

and alr close to asphodel
ff gamers op
you can technically die during a fresh file run and it will still be valid
you just won't be getting the top times
Isnt the WR like 25:00?
Yeah the 18s
@vale ocean going overtime hits you for 5 hp each second
oh neat
no
you have the shackle buff for attack special and cast if you don't have a boon in one of their slots on the very left
chaos, jerkies, urge to kill, hunter dash etc all leave shackle intact
bet
Do dash strike buffs from Artemis, chaos, daedalus affect adamant rail?
Ok thx
I tried it on hestia yesterday and tried to test but my tests just proved that I wasn't testing properly
Also got my fastest time so far so it makes sense (as I'd got decent strike upgrades from all 3)
Yea Hestia really likes Dash strike upgrades
From Chaos usually, because your dash slot is reserved for Tidal dash
Other rails don’t care about it because their damage sources are external and not the actual damage of the weapon
Like Eris
If you reset for Spread fire on Zag rail then you’ll also want dash strike damage, if you play it as bad Eris then it doesn’t do anything
Actually I think I had tidal dash 
I did it right after a nemesis run and must have had Artemis dash on that
Tidal dash is very good on Hestia
Really nice for cleanup so you don’t waste your Special/empowered shot on smaller things
You can also run it on Nemesis
But you really want Double Edge
If you plan on speedrunning the game I suggest you join the discord pinned in #self-promotion, lots of amazing guides and vod reviews etc can help you improve so fast
Thanks MiKe. I probably wont go that deep into speedrunning but will try to get through higher heats until I hit my ceiling so may check out the resources
what does crackling skewer do just seems like the normal spear throw
Much wider AOE and pierces enemies. Also better base damage.
i thought that fresh file takes an intentional death to do the run with bow
though i saw this in a very old haelian vid so it might be outdated
nah they use ME sword iirc
Yeah
bow was the old strat before ppl realized they could grind ME resets
wasnt it
I tried fresh file before, died on lernie, then said "never again"
I died to phase 1 Hades I think
I beat it but only with mods that guaranteed only Athena and Ares in tartarus
And a 2 sack

Without mods I got to the start of phase 2 I think
That was a long time ago
No clue, ff is rta so i never considered tge igt 
oh interesting
I got to Heroes on FF but that was after a lot of attempts.
How to unlock aspects ?
Buy all base weapons using Keys, do a run, interact with weapon slot after you pick it up at the courtyard
does anyone have good achilles spear builds, i dont know any
I bought Eris's aspect and Chaos's ones
You can start with Tidal Dash/ Deadly Strike and look for a cast to complement it like Slicing Shot -> Hunting Blades or Crystal Beam -> Crystal Clarity, other casts work well too because Achilles' buff is massive, you really want Flurry Jab from your hammer, aside from that just wing it, good dps calls are nice, Zeus Dio mainly, defensive Dash would be Divine Dash, your Special boon doesnt matter too much, use it to open Duos, and keep refreshing your buff, remember it lasts for the next 4 attacks/casts
It's up to you really, Chaos Shield is weak either way imo, Eris is fine at lower levels, the more the better obviously but it can start getting you easy wins already, the damage buff is Global
Hera another great aspect at low level
For the Bow
Wdym
I still don't know what you're referring to, the first god that shows up in the first chamber? And by resetting it do you mean dying if they dont offer you what you want?
your four main choices are deadly strike/flurry jab, hunting blades, crystal clarity, and ice wine
ofc you can combine flurry jab with any of the other ones
You can use a Keepsake to force a god of your choice as the first boon, that's usually how you start your run, you can reset if they dont give you what you want, it depends really, you can experiment with random things when starting out so I wouldnt recommend resetting too hard
Thank you
It's also more important to focus on enemy patterns, mechanics of the weapon, maybe trying out hammers, bosses etc
Some of these can transfer from weapon to weapon aswell
So it'll make it easier to branch out into different things
I had the best run ever with the gun
..
Infinite ammo, 45% critical chance +200% damage, dash reflects
But i had to fight the green sister as the first boss
I had 1 chance out of 3
..
🥲
damn spinny things
With a shield
Agreed
Also how do curse of longing and merciful end interact?
Or do they just not interact at all
Well tbh even if you could somehow it doesn’t sound that amazing
i love chiron bow
the satisfaction of getting the volley hammers
and a status curse on the special
i got to hades but i keep dying really quickly
like i dont know his move se
t
he just destroys me so qickly 💀
if you see the white circle
dash twice
or as many times
thats his spinny thing
at 66 and 33% hp he spawns stronger minions
like wringers and stuff
um
just dash whenever hes preparing an attack basically
always dash
if you get hit by boiling blood try extra hard not to get hit
Is there a good breakdown of armour mechanics in this game?
armor damage doesnt transfer to hp, and armored enemies cannot be staggered. im pretty sure that is it
armored enemies have a higher difficulty value than their unarmored counterparts
so if the room needs to spawn in a 1000 difficulty value, it might spawn 20 unarmored swords or 10 armored swords
theres a sheet that breaks it down
Ah cool thanks both
Being armored makes enemies more aggresive too iirc
Best example being the witches that get some form of multi shot
dad archers shooting 7 arrows in a row is some serious bs tbh
my acorn whimpers
Broken spearpoint! 
Elites have different attacks but their AI is generally the same as their non-elite counterpart, pretty sure. I think only some superelites have different AI, e.g. Superelite Witches are a lot more evasive; but that might just be the same AI with faster movement speed and less delay between actions.
Ah, didnt know how to describe it 
Basically you can exploit the AI of elites the same way, just they have some new attacks (typically just stronger versions of the non-elite attacks).
Hi
was the aspect of nemesis nerfed, or something?
I was tyold it is the best to speedrun the sword rewards, but in all my attempts, it just lacks damage no matter what
I mean, I get u gotta be precise, and stuff, but I'd like to think I am not that bad at playing this game for me to have made it to this point
how are you building it?
Nope.
Short little guide I wrote for Nemesis: #h1-for-new-players message
I'm at 20 heat, btw
More frequently than I did before. Chaining them is another story altogether
i think if you google some nemesis speedrun and if your dash strike is not as fast/precise than theirs then i think it's your dash striking combo that might be it, not the build.
This time I managed to make it to asterius and the other guy, at least. Before I was curbstomped with some bull runs and FCKNG HERMS doesn't give me a godamn dash upgrade
blood and darkness
And way longer
Ight, so I guess I gotta learn to use only dash strikes when using a sword, I suppose
length isn't the problem, it's how you use it
Well, next obejective then
I mean way slower in clear speed.
I'd say the easiest sword to be speedy with early on is Poseidon.
Me, getting about 4 minutes with artur and way more with nemesis...
4 minutes what? Tartarus?
14:22 Real Time (RTA)
00:00 - Pre Run Death
00:55 - Tartarus
05:28 - Asphodel
08:50 - Elysium
12:45 - Temple of Styx
14:20 - Hades
15:35 - Victory Screen
LOL @ barge. Good run though. Biggest mistake probably rolling that Athena and then missing Impending in the C35? Bad heroes fight but not sure if my fault.
Watch some of these, I guess.
Maybe my main mistake is putting points in hard labour?
I suspect you probably just need a lot more practice tbh. Sword isn't an easy weapon to be fast with because it's very high-risk.
Yeah, but I wreck with artur in these same heat settings...
Practice may be it though
I don't know what you consider "wrecking" tbh. Excalibur is easy to play because you have a lot of room for error. But it's not a good speedrun aspect.
Specially learning to deal´~ with theseus and the other guy (em3)
Still my best with any other sword aspect in 20 heat. So, lack of practice I guess
Best in terms of clear speed?
Arthur is pretty slow
What's your IGT record with Excalibur?
Compared to Nem
best as in the only successfull one. Several times at that
Ah. Yeah, if you're just looking to get the win at all, Excalibur is for sure the easiest sword.
I see how it can be pretty slow. Guess I just gotta learn how to chain dash without murdering the left stick
ight. Nemesis is the fastest, assuming the gods aren't stingy and one learned to chain dash attack after dash attack, I guess
If you're aiming for clearing in 10 minutes or less or anything like that, Excalibur is one of the worst aspects in the game for that tbh.
You have to be very hyper-aggressive and also very precise with your Dash-Strikes when playing Nemesis in order to get the most out of it. But if you tried to do the same with Excalibur, you'd be way slower generally.
I don't think Alecto is a problem for Nemesis, that's just a matter of learning the fight. She actually gives you enough room that you can attack pretty much constantly.
that's the only way for me to lose a death defiance in that fight, though. When she starts doing that enraging thing I gotta stay away shooting stones till she stops
May be just because of the labour 4 thing, I guess
Nah, it's practice. I usually fight her with HL5 FO2 in high heat. 
HL isn't much of a factor if you don't get hit. 
Yeah, how do u keep the heat on her without getting hit by her shots she starts charging basically instantly? Is there some tell I'm missing?
I mean, I know the tell and how to dodge any other of her attacks along with any of the other furie's support. That is the one that still gets me
You pretty much just keep going back and forth through her and stay away from her attacks. All of her attacks are pretty linear and very telegraphed.
and when she starts spinningn and shooting? That's what gets me the most
Do you have Forced Overtime on
Alecto fires her projectiles in just a v shape, no? So just stay outside of that.
Well that doesn't affect her, I think it's gonna be practice mostly, and maybe more deliberate inputs
Might be mixing it up, yeah, I haven't played in a couple months and I don't really think during the fights anymore, it's just instinct at some point. But you pretty much you just get better at handling it. Plus she should only be enraged during the very last phase, so you just kill her asap before she kills you, and then you move on.
If you lose a DD during that, it's whatever.
I'd say as you get better, you learn to do the fight without losing DDs, then how to do the fight fast, then how to do the fight fast without losing DDs... and then how to do the fight the fastest regardless of whether you're losing a DD in the process or not.
achilles tips any1?
for high heat
as i play more and more i realise that hestia is such a op aspect for high heat compared to other aspects
#h1-high-heat-strategies for high heat tips. 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18uZziGYDyVCwc-XgcveoY8MXp6Lwq0BD6xDV38cuYWo/edit?usp=sharing This is worth reading, it covers the mechanics and rotation of the weapon throughout the earlier parts, later it talks more about speedrunning stuff which is not as relevant in this context, high heat Achilles is just rough 
The Achilles Spear Mechanical Guide By CardDweeb Foreword Hey everyone! This is meant to be an add-on to the current Achilles Guide by 185in, which can be found here. The original guide is a little outdated, but it is still a good starting point for Achilles. Purpose What is the purpose of this...
🙏 thanks
oops thats mb
I'd say high heat Achilles does best with Cast builds.
What pact of punishment conditions are best after just unlocking it
MM UC BP1 TD1-2 EM1-2
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@latent moon
Extremely high HP revenge build vs Hades.
If you wanna watch
There is also some with em4 instead
Oh dang lmao
i've seen videos like that, i'm pretty sure you just stack up on revenge boons, right?
Unsure where it goes, but Hades' Avatar frame isn't available separately in Steam Points shop is it? You have to buy the whole game profile for that?
game profiles are specifically a package offer, yes
Ahh, I only needed the frame, but thanks for replying! 
yeah unfortunately it's how steam has the profiles set up. even if you purchase a game profile, you can't equip part of it, its all or nothing
so cosmetics part of the game profiles are unique to those profiles and cant be obtained separately
actually looking further in you may be able to equip other things, idk i'm not going to blow points on one and check lol but yeah to answer the original question the hades frame is unique to the profile
You can equip other things, I also only got it for the frame but then I found out it turns your profile red so I kept that as well because it looks really cool
why did you spoil 🥲
Its a spoiler channel
Stick to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-for-new-players for spoiler free stuff
ok ty
why does nobody expect to fight hades in a game called hades
Expecting and knowing are different things.
hades is also called hades because the underworld is referred to as hades as well
doesn't really fit supergiant's naming conventions for their titles though. they never name their games after a character, they're more named for a specific thing in the game that's important to the story
which is why I'm personally inclined to believe the game is called hades because it refers to the underworld as a whole that the game takes place in 
hadeez

is the underworld even called hades ingame?
i think they just call it "the underworld"
but idk
hades is the name of the domain the god hades rules
but that leads to a lot of confusion so i doubt supergiant would do that
most of the time things like "in the name of hades" or "house of hades" refers to hades the god himself, but cerberus has been referred to as "beast of hades" which can both mean the beast hades owns, and the beast that guards the realm of hades, the underworld
i think yall maybe looking too deep into this
like hades sounds cooler then underworld as a video game name
and no one know what zagreus is
In Greek mythology the Domos Haidou (House of Hades) was the land of the dead--the final resting place for departed souls. It was a dark and dismal realm where bodiless ghosts flitted across the grey fields of asphodel. The Homeric poets knew of no Elysian Fields or Tartarean Hell, rather all shades--heroes and villians alike--came to rest in th...
Yeah, this dual name thing is just how Greek myth is, they didn't do it for the game
im just saying supergiant tends to not do things "just because" yall 😭
theres probably a reason they chose the name they did beyond "well no ones heard of zagreus before this"
given how they chose to name their previous games
Is there a limit in the amount of nectar you can give bouldy? I'm done with using it for relationships so I have a ton of it and I love giving it to the big guy every run I get to him.
You can give him infinitely
LETS GOOOOOOO
Good boy deserves it all
bouldy believes in you
:)
So we have the hades soundtrack. It's pretty good.
But I like some of the in-game mixes better. I'd like to listen to some of them outside of the game.
Ideally, I just get some of the tracks as layers.
Anyone know where to get this?
(specifically Out of Tartarus)
I love the balance in this game.
Some boons and aspects are much better than others sure.
But every weapon has a good aspect and every god is useful in some builds.
Each weapon feels unique and the boon mechanics match the gods' aesthetics.
There must be some on-point game design, maths, and testing behind all this.
Hi
I’ve had hades for like a year and just now restarted it cuz I never finished it and I swear I’m obsessed
it do be like that
Yah
hi gamers!
I just played a bit of Hades (not even a full run) after like 2 weeks of not playing
and tried the... the hidden aspect of the fists
and... iirc the other aspects... are pretty meh?
but the hidden aspect is pretty meh too?
like...
idk
opinion on the fists?
or vision about them?
Gilgameh
because the hidden aspects attacks too slow for taking 100% of the potential that... Artemis? the green God... the one with a bow boons... and also when u start ur attack animation u cannot cancel it... and its like also meh...
Dem is their best aspect but they are still fists 
u just... dash a lot
fists is just kinda meh
I mean... when we talk about base aspects... my tier list of weapons would be like:
Shield > Spear > Fists > Bow > Sword > The minigun
Base sword 
but when u unlock other aspects is like...
Shield and Spear > Bow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fists, minigun and sword
because I play with no mouse or controller, just keyboard... and launching the missile with the minigun is so annoying...
buy me a mouse then 
I play with the thing that all the laptops have
oh lmao
Like, I played CS:GO, League of Legends, Portal and another things with that thing lmao
Terraria too
And... I have a controller because I had to buy it because of a hand problem after playing too much platformers but......meh....... I am not used to controllers after having played with just keyboard for 7 years
uh you should definitely play with the controller 
its a purple controller... there was no pink on the store and my gift card was about to expire... :C
mehhhhhhhhh
anyways, I think the minigun isnt fun even with having the chance to aim the projectiles
Cant you let auto aim do the work anyways?
its like... dash, shoot, reload -> repeat
no
@ croven
doesnt work even half of the time when no keyboard and no mouse... its okay tho, I mean, supergiant doesnt have the... idk english... the........... they dont have to think about accesibility of someone who plays with potatoes and wires and they activate inputs by crushing a screwdriver into the potato
croven also the guy to play at like 5 fps
I know that one lol
omg it seems like I am croven
wr holder????
Good ol "frames give you advantage, blah blah" copypasta
hera sub 5 guy???
oh idk about the speedrunning scene of hades but yeah I also play at 5 fps lmao
Like, for hades to run at 30 fps those are my steam launch parameters: /UseSwapEffectDiscard=true /DrawBlendMax=1 /DrawLights=false /UseAnalytics=false /AutoDetectLowResAssets=true /UseLowResAssets=true /DrawBloom=false /DrawColorGrading=false
and it crashes half the time I enter a boss room
isnt switch also at 5 fps in some rooms
Just dont play high heat js/bp2
Or dont get those enemies ig
The tl;dr is mainly cloners or a lot of flamewheels
okay i'm a bit late to the party but if you have a controller you should probably use it if you're only using keyboard right now lmao
Use both kb and controller 
ik some Celeste speedrunners that does that lmao
the thing is... I dont have a desk neither
so...........
Peak laptop gaming
its much more comfortable... for the screen distances and the cables... to just use the kb
Idk english... should that be a "neither" or a "either"?
either
oh tysm
Deskless%
anyways, gotta eat some bread... today I had an 8 hours math olympics and I am hungry
good bye... fellas? is fellas like saying "bro" or smth, right?
and smth is like saying something, right?
yeah
I should ask those things somewhere else... anyways, Zeus shield best shield, good bye
zag shied best shied
Beo can take 2nd place, as a treat
Beo? worse shield
its main mechanic consist on the shield dash... and I cant aim that without a mouse/controller
0/10
routed
not even sub 2
I should watch some Hades speedrun...
iirc IGN made an... "Hades devs reacts to hades speedrun", right?
or I am being confused
yeah I remember watching that some years ago
watch this its played by a really good gamer and totally not cursed
https://youtu.be/2sLMM21vN44
pathetic modded players getting charged shot every run
its unseeded? because I watched a seeded run at GDQ and I didnt like it tbh
https://youtu.be/BmSBaC4-Kds or this to have a funny laugh (this is routed just in case)
This was a big one. Sad we miss the 0-cycle Power Couple, but this run was pretty insane otherwise. Thanks to Pseudonym7777 for creating this route, Paradigmsort for making the tools he used, and Wmic, Latt, cgull, and Museus for optimizing manips and competing to push the time down alongside me.
There's more time to save, but sub-2:50 was my g...
oh yeah you can watch this cheated run 
good to know
and the thing about completing the stages fast is just for fun? or is sometimes faster to take those "doors" that require a certain amount of heat to enter?
taking erebus gates are almost always slower
The fastest the game ask you for is under 20 mins with tight deadline 3
And you still can go overtime and win so 
also... do u people... see the boon name and immediately know what they do?
i look at the pictures of boons
It wasnt seeded, it was modded thats different
i dont read
Purely for consistency reasons
that seems even crazier lmao
reading is overrated
because for me with over 500 hours at the binding of isaac.. I know every item name, aspect and description but because the game almost forces u to learn them...
Since you literally have no way to impact that
Game design issue 
sack -> the thing that u have to give to the best dog at the final stage?
I should really improve my english
yeah
Once you unlock the codex upgrade there isnt really a need to memorize
Tho if you play a lot it still happens
i know what every boon does and how to unlock every duo boon and legendary boon 
I still confuse some dio boons 
demeter boons 
thats the thing... I put 0 effort at reading the names/looking to the pics... I just read the description because its there
Nah those i still recognize it them
cuz either they are bad that i get annoyed or the few good ons
on isaac if u dont know the things before the run starts... u are dead... or u have to open a wiki and search every item pic to find the one u want
I still confuse agony/whatever the special is called for doom
I am not saying that isaac > hades, just that Hades pros seems like they put a lot of effort on learning things
Playing on switch i confirm i have wiki 24/7
But at the same time it has too many items and then being kind of"mess around and find out" is not fun for me 
Anyways hades
I had to finally turn on god mode for the first time today. I’ve only done about 40 attempts so far and I can make it to hades but I always make it there with like no death defies left after fighting Theseus
😭
40 runs is not an abnormal level of runs to be at that point
Nothing wrong with god mode too
before turning on god mode I'd see if there are any simple things you can change to improve
eg mirror, boons you go for, aspects used etc
Hi there!
Can someone tell me who should I contact if I want to talk about reviewing a game on my channel?
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also i dont particularly see why a player should seemingly exhaust all options before opting to god mode. its literally there to help people if they need it, whenever they need it. theres no shame in doing so, and if they do you dont really need to tell them they should do other things first before trying it
mentalities like that are why some people see resorting to god mode as a mark of shame as it is
I'm not saying exhaust all options, I'm saying see if there are any basic things they can change
in any case I think god mod often becomes a crutch for people that want to escape it as they start pushing heat
yeah thats fair but if someone didnt ask for advice on how to improve their gameplay you should leave them be
god mode is for some people but I think it's worth making sure you're part of that group
a lot of people turn it on due to gameplay frustration that can also be resolved by learning about the game
i just think people on this server tend to forget that a huge chunk of the playerbase is quite casual and not looking to play optimally
I mean fair but I think just seeing if your mirror is holding you back is a reasonable first step
I understand that supergiant games has a kind of "ship a finished game then make another" ideology. But Hades reinvigorated my childhood. When I was about 10 bastion released. And. I had put hours and hours into that game. It was my favorite for years. And. After playing transistor and. Not liking it much. I joined playing hades about a year ago, when the game was well released. But. I loved it. It genuinely made a somewhat emotionless me cry. But. Aside from that. I wanted to know if supergiant had any plans on expanding on the game. Something to continue on the story of zagreus and his family. Or if I just missed something and never heard that something is in the works.
Thanks.
Someone told me that it wasnt getting any more updates
I wish it would tho
Itd be epic
yeah thats what i had heard too.
i see you skipped Pyre, sad
but yeah game is done
i. eh. didnt even pay any atteniton to it
guessed as much 
i have genuinely no idea what it is but it seems interesting
How do people get level 10 boons and stuff btw?
luck out on poms/early sweet nectar most of the time
also pom blossom runs + fated authorithy if you wanna meme on the highest lvl boon
and ofc dark foresight on the mirror, that nectar work order helps
There hasn't been any official word, but we are approaching two years since the full release of the game later this year and the giants have not really done anything with the game beyond post-launch fixes, so at this point it's a really good chance they are working on another project. we don't know what they're working on at current, but their track record tends to be three years between each game so maybe there will be some news at the end of the year or next year as to what they're up to.
the closest we have to whether they will work on hades further or not is this interview snippet
https://www.comingsoon.net/games/features/1190326-interview-hades-greg-kasavin
It’s not one of those things that’s written in stone like, “We will never make DLC!” It’s just not yet made sense for us to do since the Bastion one-off, which was something we experimented with at the time. Today, that would have been a patch.
I think a big part of it is that we’re so committed to the endings of our games and to paying off the player’s time if they get all the way to the end. We’ve put in all of our best ideas in the thing we’ve shipped and we’ve set out with a goal of making a complete experience. So to make DLC on something that, by our own definition, is complete, something about that has felt off. It’s like you’re contriving stuff. If it was so important, why wasn’t it there in the 1.0 version? That’s a very broad statement about it.
In the particular case of Hades, it’s also a game with a lot of intricately connected parts in a story and everything. It may sound straightforward to dump in new Boons, gods, or weapons, but it would have a massive impact across all aspects of the game.
Due to the nature of the Early Access development, from our perspective, we did a whole bunch of updates. It’s just only Early Access players who experience a game that way. We even had unique content in Early Access that we never intended to ship in the 1.0 version that was self-aware about the nature of Early Access.
We did that for three years. And we gave it everything we had and thankfully it got this amazing response. We weren’t eager to then go and start messing with it. It doesn’t rule anything out by any means. We really appreciate that there’s interest and that players want more. But also that there is so much understanding in our community as well. Folks point out that it isn’t our style and they’ll give us a break.
Yeah. I know that it's unlikely but. I'm holding out hope. I really really would love to see it expanded upon in. Literally any way.
I wish there were changes made that emulate what the speedrun modpack does
aka a lot of qol like removed/skippable intro/ending cutscenes and some heat balancing
one basic idea I'm sure a lot of people have had for the base game is that every TD reduces guaranteed styx sack by 1
yeah ppl might be like "ooooh man I am so bad I have 100 tries and cant complete a run" but its like... if u have been trying and trying it might mean that u are enjoying the game no matter the attempts and thats cool, hope u keep enjoying it
Not oficial but the files can be changed (check modding server in #self-promotion pins)
hi people!
how many runs have u completed?
Are you using a boon that actually opens it? (Special, dash, call, cast if using beowulf) filling your cores helps too, dont tske high voltage as thag opens his legendary too/using dark foresight in the mirror?
also, people, which was the moment where u laugh the most at Hades?
me when I realised I can use a minigun to kill enemies
I felt like playing Doom
Does anyone know?
how many runs have u completed
12 or sth
How much titan blood you got?
then just use it on the weapon u use the most
probably in the thousands 
1
Oh 
rlly? that experienced are Hades players?
I have like 40
How do I even put it
Ive played this game like 16 months so
oh... then u still havent unlocked that feature... have u beaten the game at least once with each weapon?
We also reset like crazy too
if not, try
Haven't beaten it with any weapon
Unlock all weapons, do a run to refresh the house, check the empty pedestal to see aspects
No need to beat
oh, just unlock? I didnt remember that, mb
Including the hidden?
But try ti defeat meg with each weapon as that gives you another blood
Different method for the hidden ones
(check pins in #h1-story-discussion
Currently I always get her sisters
just the 6 main weapons
Still works
there are like 6 pedestals so...
They are still counted as the first boss for the blood drop
But 2 don't have weapons
Do I need that thing from contractor
yeah... they will show up later
I dont think anything with the contractor is necessary for unlocking weapons
I might be wrong tho
(you need the list of minor prophecies for hidden spear)
I have it
But didn't get anything hidden
It's not the only requirement
600

that happens to the best of us
Guys I am going against Theseus and the bull with only 56 life and stubborn defiance
Any advice
That is 3rd time haven't won before
Anyone here?
kill them
Yeah, use DDs instead.
Because going in with 56 HP and 3 DDs is a little more comfortable than 56 HP and one SD.
Bigger hp pool yea
3 DDS?
I don't think I will afford them
SD allows you revival every round
.
You can replenish DDs, too. It's about having more HP when you need it, like in a boss fight that you haven't won yet.
Tbh 3 DDS is the best since you max die twice
3 DDs is max from the mirror.
Also use the Evergreen Acorn in Elysium if you have it yet.
What is it?
How to attach files?
You can't. You can upload images to something like imgur though and link them.
The Evergreen Acorn is a keepsake from Eurydice. Negates 3 hits from bosses at Lv.1 and 5 hits at Lv.3. Helps a whole lot with bosses 3 and 4.
Can I send in dm?
Which 3 hits exactly? The first 3?
Yeah.
Where can I find that guy
Ah those tortured souls
Also btw if you're new to the game, might be better if you stick to #h1-for-new-players since that's free of spoilers.
Yh I think so
Probably won't help too much since I have a maxed file and you're still working on like getting your DDs and stuff.
Then what do you recommend exactly, like 2 DDS 50% stab max cast damage max cast count extra dash?
Other than those what shall I do next
As for DMing me pics, you can do that but tbh I'd rather you just upload to imgur or to a private discord server (takes less than a minute to quickly create one) and then link the image from there if it's relevant to discussions here.
Still haven't unlocked the 20 key mirror
Yh I will do so just will do Imgur account and stuff
DDs, Greater Reflex, and Chthonic Vitality should be your main priority.
Since that helps your survivability the most.
All good.
Stick to #h1-for-new-players in the future. Lots of spoilers you might run into in the other channels. 
#h1-for-new-players message Here is a brief explanation of what your mirror should look like and why
Might wanna add a note about invincibility for Greater Reflex.
I'm going to slap whichever dev thought of a Skeleton Hydra as a boss
It was me <3
coming to slap you
Alright see you soon!
you can apply the Extreme Measures 2 on the Pact of Punishment, it makes you fight an alternative boss
It's supposed to be harder but it isn't
when i first applied EM2 only set back was the lava in the arena
got used to it pretty dast tho
Don't use hs it's awful
Oh
what was hs again
Heightened security
HS is a nightmare on DD imo
but on SD it's actually not as scary as it looks like except vs dad vases
I would regularly eat tartarus traps on my 50 attempts and it was no big deal
just use up the SD on more traps and heal up
Hs is nice so you dont lose as much time when popping the sd on purpose
Does anyone know if Pulverizing Blow nullifies the Sea Storm boon?
If you dont have pos attack yeah
just wanted to share this disgusting abomination of a build
just sat under hades and pressed special until he died
clockets are so cool
Hey I just finished the game and felt like joining the discord because I liked it so much
Hello there
i have successfully gayed with my fathers coworker
Poggers
what did he mean by this
He has successfully gayed with his father's coworker
he has successfully gayed with his father's coworker
fusa
im this close to copypasting spamtons entire dialogue
what is a spamton
nvm
ok 👍
i would be happy if they made hades multiplayer
it would be a bit easy though
also online stuff would be a bit weird
like with this game
so anyways
super soaker is so fun
but i died to meg with it 
and lernie
and in the big mob room in styx
and lost my run to hades
fun times
Imagine if hades had a twitch voting system on pc where chat can decide wat enemies the host will face in the chambers
Spawns hades in the first chamber
Cool idea.
The options for next room spawn could be a menu of 3 possible enemy groups (based on location and pact)
Just like the in-game boon options
I think I followed the requirements here (https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Adamant_Rail#Upgrades) for the upgrade, but I've talked to Zeus a number of times and nothing yet. Should I just take his item and keep giving up until I find it?
Giving up = same seed
You should have Zag die in one way or another
To reset the seed
If you keep giving up you'll just keep getting the same dialogue
I have maxed out the first thing with blood on my rail but not the others. That's enough right?
Huh, now that I can stop doing 32 heat, should I go back to fo2 on normal heats like I was doing before that or should I keep not using it
If you're used to fo2 you can just keep it on so you don't accidentally mistime things
do 40 heat
probably don't do that
do 40 heat
i'd recommend keeping it on, if you ever want to speedrun fo2 is required to reduce spawn times
plus it just makes the game more fun
fo2 buffs jolted
Yes and no, for guan yu you need to unlock 5 non zag aspects, but the others just keed you to invest 5 blood in the weapon
deadalus room 1, you love to see it
I just fought hades extreme and lol so goodddd
Just went into Hades battle with over 500 health and SURPRISE I won
anyone have tips for beating hades
oh boy, if you missed a single centaur heart you wouldve lost 
boil him, mash him, put him into a stew
or was that for potatoes...
thats what i want to do to myself after dying for the 100th time
please tell me you had death defiance and not stubborn defiance... 1500 health. miniboss status
Could do what the person above you did and get a stupid amount of hp
was that a hobbit reference
lotr but yeah
nah i thought you were referring to the giants scene, but nah its the gollum one isnt it?
Rewatching the Noclip doc and its so heartwarming to see them saying things like, “We hope fans like what we’re adding to the game 🥰” …And we did
yeah lol
Guys how.do you exactly process heat
Like I have beaten Hades once, shall I go beat him at one heat then two then three or what
Yes
yeah
That's the intended way to do it
Go straight to 64 heat. The only way.
you know what they say, the best way to learn is by doing it
so might as well learn it all at the same time
if you beat anything on a higher heat than the game intends you to, it only contributes to that number
so if currently the game wants you to beat the game on 1 heat
but you beat everything with 59
wait that wasnt a good example

if you beat everything with 15
the bounties will still go to the 1 heat thingy
and the intended heat will go to 2
im pretty sure
imma try that with shield since i havent beaten the game with any heat yet on it
yeah it works that way
except 0 heat for some reason
you can get 1 heat bounties without beating 0 heat
Is elysium the last area?
Exact. If you want to learn to swim, might as well try crossing the Atlantic and become become famous.
No
i would do 1, 2,3… until it becomes easy, as the earlier heats are very similar
then push it to like 10,15,18
and then like 22,25 once u get use to the _teens
it also depends what weapon ur using
like for hestia i jumped from 10 to 32 right away, while for achilles i had to do 18/25 before 32
some weapons are inherently easier to ramp up with heat compared to others
might just be easier to learn/use or you're just more familiar with it
is forced overtime really that much of a difficulty jump that it gives 3 heat
for some it pushes them to be faster, for others they can play casually and fit will into the time frame
wait im thinking of the wrong one
forced overtime makes you relearn the timing of attack patterns and think faster because everything is just faster in general
if not careful you could get wombo comboed pretty heavily
You mean td3?
it can get really nasty
but it's generally absolutely worth the heat
What are the easiest conditions, can I ask?
I think they're TD2-3, FO1(-2), MM, BP1, UC, EM1-3
if you're looking for just the easiest conditions and not the most valuable heat then EM1, TD1, UC, MM are good introductory conditions
Thx man
I sometimes forget how big aphro % is lmao
Hmmm
So if I am good enough to beat the game at 15, I can play and beat the game at 15 15 times and receive boss drops each time?
ye
What do I need to do to get the last aspect for my weapons?
pins in #h1-story-discussion
when selecting porridge at eurydice, if you only have 1 pommable boon, does it get 4 levels, or just one
One(1)
aww thats sad
Underworld Customs
Tight Deadline 1-2
Extreme Measures 1-2
Benefits Package 1
Middle Management
Those are the ones I’d start with
Then later on TD3 BP2 EM3 and maybe FO or HL LC
What are these exactly
I don't know the names
But does it include the blue heart
Seems pretty easy to deal with
The names are the pacts
You can check them once you have the pact open before you start a run
The blue hearts are Damage Control, they are very aspect dependent
And they are annoying no matter what, I would focus on learning other things first
The ones I listed are pretty much fundamentals for any high heat pact
I jus want 3
For the first time

