#h1-discussion
gray apex
gray apex
my damage is gonna feel ass
even if i get a cracked build
ill just play safe beo because 80% FO is not gonna be fun
@devout terrace try this
patent mesa
challenge: highest heat where every heat is just DC
mint coral
Dc4 is a thing lmao
mint coral
Die
devout terrace
DC :zagsad:
mint coral
Td0 pacts would be the meta
devout terrace
CP4 oof
patent mesa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/976218245864513606/Had...
where EM5
gray apex
okay
honest current
My problem yeah, might be the fact that I have over 800 hours between isaac and sts... And just 50 on Hades... But I mean... I am never thinking at hades atm... My reasoning (in order) its like:
See hammer? go brr
See any boon? go brr
See any money/shop? go brr
See anything else? meh
And thats how I am winning 99% of the time
mint coral
Charon on cp4-hl10-fo4 sounds fun
honest current
I mean... Isaac and sts neither... they are more like... "yeah there is this broken strategy that will win u the run but here are the requirements: list of 30 items/cards"
patent mesa
My problem yeah, might be the fact that I have over 800 hours between isaac and ...
you'll quickly realize that that kind of strict flowchart isn't sufficient to do as well as you can
honest current
I mean... Isaac and sts neither... they are more like... "yeah there is this bro...
So u gotta have knowledge to find any strat viable for ur run
pseudo kernel
howdy
honest current
hi beaver!
mint coral
Tbh even on 32 heat you can clear with basically anything
devout terrace
My problem yeah, might be the fact that I have over 800 hours between isaac and ...
I mean its not like you can choose between a boon and gems/keys/darkness
gray apex
ngl i kinda want to speedrun this with fo4
devout terrace
thats literally not how the reward system works
mint coral
But that says more about how balanced is around that heat for me
Just dont look at 50+
honest current
I think that Hades is a game that u can beat with just skill, u cannot beat Slay the Spire or Isaac with the basic deck/the naked character
thats my take
pseudo kernel
Just dont look at 50+
50+ PSSHH i do that in my dreams…
mint coral
I managed 50 recently
pseudo kernel
only ever do it in my dreams 😩
honest current
I think that Hades is a game that u can beat with just skill, u cannot beat Slay...
U may beat isaac without items if u are a bot... okay... But sts? No way
mint coral
Im not touching higher tho
pseudo kernel
i tried 50 and hated it so i just dont do it
pseudo kernel
but Beo?
devout terrace
I remember thinking to myself once that even if heat was limited to just 40, we'd create mods to go higher
mint coral
40 heat streak lets go
pseudo kernel
im rusty as hell
i tried just to do a few runs and just couldnt, so i just stopped
pseudo kernel
I cant do randoms any more its built into me what build to try for with each weapon
mint coral
Mood
pseudo kernel
tried to do anything other than Aphro on Arthur and i just lost so i had to do Aphro
signal aspen
Congrats bro hopefully you can get your first win soon
tight aurora
currently made the jump to 55 heat after beating 45. however i have a question about how seeds work. right now my first room gives me a hammer, a hellgate to an artemis boon and a poseidon boon.
i realize this remains the same everytime i reset. but what about the gods i encounter later? will gods get randomized later on? or are they set aswell.
gray apex
Yes
They will be randomized
The seed changes in every chamber based on a mathematical equation iirc
also
jumping from 45 to 55 is insane
icy knoll
currently made the jump to 55 heat after beating 45. however i have a question a...
bad idea bad idea bad idea bad idea
i am currently stuck in a spiral of fire known as jumping from 45 heat to 50 heat
the jump there is easily as big as 0 to 32
55 heat you'll likely have to play with ap2, half your mirror gone, and em4
tight aurora
thats the good part :D a big leap is more satisfying then baby steps
icy knoll
45 to 50 is in no way baby steps
like i said, it's like jumping from 0 to 32
55 will be exponentially harder than that
but hey, i'm not your dad
do what you want, but you've been warned
gray apex
45 to 50 is harder than 32 to 45
icy knoll
oh definitely
icy knoll
what were the bp perks
icy knoll
lol
icy knoll
wait em4??
mint coral
Nice summons?
mint coral
Or just ok
gray apex
3 bballs
icy knoll
did you just casually do hl10 cp4 em4 bp4??
and nearly beat it????
mint coral
B.balls moment
icy knoll
you're insane
mint coral
did you just casually do hl10 cp4 em4 bp4??
and nearly beat it????
Mike is a gamer™
icy knoll
oh yeah and js6
gray apex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/976225241103753256/Had...
^
my build was insane tho
pseudo kernel
build looks solid
gray apex
pseudo kernel
lasting consequences 10
instead of healing it damages you
that would be painful
heavy sigil
FO4 
gray apex
the em4 is monstrous lol
gray apex
me messing with mods
pseudo kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/976229487081582632/vlc...
THATS INSANE
i love it
icy knoll
wouldn't flood shot mirage shot be better since there's no ap or ri?
icy knoll
fair
gray apex
And still couldnt keep up
heavy sigil
does lave like insta kill u?
heavy sigil
mint coral
How much for styx traps?
mint coral
Do it for science
gray apex
gray apex
Do it for science
gotta get all the way back up there
🗿
but yea
bp4
kinda garbage
FO4 actually messes with the meg summon
The bball and power couple are so fast
and there's no windup for asterius spin
mint coral
I asummed asterius was gonna be dumb lol
signal aspen
Do it I wanna see that
signal aspen
both dad
signal aspen
Like 5 million
gray apex
okay nvm internet is gonna explode either way
Ill upload it tomorrow because I need sleep
signal aspen
wind hare
i want the secret aspect for the bow but which aspect do i do first
sand pulsar
can you use a pro controller for hades
amber bluff
yeah
latent moon
i want the secret aspect for the bow but which aspect do i do first
to unlock any hidden aspect you need to unlock the spear's hidden aspect first, and then there's a couple of conditions that you have to fulfill to get it
someone said there's a guide to unlock hidden aspects pinned somewhere
amber bluff
pinned in #h1-story-discussion
latent moon
right
amber bluff
as long as your pc has bluetooth yeah
sand pulsar
as long as your pc has bluetooth yeah
do you have to use the steam big picture thing or can you immediately use it
amber bluff
not sure
icy knoll
when you google "hades 64 heat" the first thing that pops up is a redditor theorycrafting a perfect 64 heat run that involves using eris and pom blossom for tart and aspho
slim geyser
could you theoretically beo 64 heat
icy knoll
- the one saving grace about this run is that we get very few boons at the beginning. Yes, you heard right, few. This means that if we get the core boons for the strat early, we're guaranteed to have them upgraded by Persephone. Again, this is 64 heat. ANY upgrade is welcome, especially if it's free like this. 2) Upgraded boons give extra money when sold, and we're obligated to sell boons. 3) We can safely skip pom rooms for something else. With all this to gain, I honestly can't think of a better keepsake. Even with something like Thanatos, which in this run is also guaranteed to ramp up our damage, it only lasts while it's equipped, same for Hermes, while Persephone lasts for the entire run. She provides so much value in a 64 run that I kinda think it's ridiculous, really.
i ❤️ pom blossom
patent mesa
that kinda makes sense doesn't it
twin thistle
could you theoretically beo 64 heat
sure theoretically. youd need to get back your bloodstones you lost from ri4 from chaos or wells though and get all the poms to hit so youll do any damage
icy knoll
that kinda makes sense doesn't it
no
you already get very few boons from losing your dark foresight, so there isn't much benefit there
if you get divine dash and as many athena boons as possible like this guide says, pom blossom is just going to pom that
you can't ignore pom rooms if you're going for as few gods as possible, the alternative is a god room a large amount of the time
and also what's there to buy with your incredible upgraded boons when pommed boons sell for so little extra and also you have cf2 and no deep pockets
icy knoll
well there's egg, coin purse (used in baj's 64 heat run), hourglass
icy knoll
also the reason this person wants so much athena boons is to use skelly keepsake in both ely and styx to highroll both athena dds
twin thistle
only a little
fast willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/976218245864513606/Had...
wtf
fast willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/976229487081582632/vlc...
how tf did you reach styx in 11min on cp4
fast willow
> 1) the one saving grace about this run is that we get very few boons at the be...
lmao so hes just going to reset until he gets AP2 drunk/lightning strike without god keepsake
fast willow
Lightning isn't buffed as much
if mans is willing to reset for AP2 keepsakeless strike boons then hes probably willing to reset for ap2 jolted
and then highroll jolted poms
gray apex
modern garden
Random question but
What does blood and darkness mean in hades
ok thanks dyno
sounds like its used as the f word
slim grail
Is there an online version of this game?
brisk trail
Finally beat 32 heat last night
Using god mode ofc… never doing it again
Plus I’m never doing 32 heat again
gray apex
Is there an online version of this game?
There isn’t no
Not officially at the very least
There is a co-op mod in the works, can ask more about it in the modding server pinned in #self-promotion
brisk trail
Using god mode ofc… never doing it again
forgot to say but i feel cheap every time i look back to it
tight aurora
upgrade the mirror
rose niche
i have some maxxed upgrades
like i can get to heseus and Asterius but i usually die in that fight
somber rapids
make sure you have all your death defiances up until that point
then just focus down the bull first and try to dodge the spears of theseus by hiding behind the pillars
strange skiff
I found collecting as much max health as possible really helped when I was just trying to complete the game.
And then ensuring that you pick up boons that improve your damage (usually attack, or cast, maybe special for some weapons)
weary jackal
What does blood and darkness mean in hades
it’s basically a swear
icy knoll
"it's a curse, boy"
mint coral
Gaming
midnight cape
Finally beat ||hades||
Aw man I didn't realize I wasn't in the new chat
fossil sphinx
What
midnight cape
What
I'm not in #h1-for-new-players and you can guess the rest
fossil sphinx
Oh shii my bad its a spoiler?
wind violet
not in here
but unfortunately someone from the new chat accidentally peeked in here :(
fossil sphinx
Oh noo I'm so sorry 
vale ocean
Is there any unique dialogue from hypnos for dying to your own hazard bomb
vale ocean
Thanks I was wondering but I didn't want to throw a run just for some dialogue
sand pulsar
What upgrade increase the pom of power level increase from +1 to +2
slim geyser
sweet nectar duo boon
fluid current
bro who am i missing
only one who I haven’t gotten a boon from
Aphrodite
Poseidon
Chaos
Hermes
Ares
Zeus
Artemis
Dionysus
who am I missing???
slim geyser
you have to get to the surface to meet them
fluid current
damn
my ass still hasn’t even cleared asphodel
very aware there are spoilers here btw
icy knoll
dude don't spoil for them
slim geyser
yeah
spare tartan
My bad sry
amber bluff
My bad sry
delete your message before they see, or at least spoiler tag it
slim geyser
something around 80 actually
spare tartan
I think mine was my 11th iirc
mint coral
45+ iirc
warm nimbus
got it on my 20th
amber bluff
27th for me
nimble glacier
when fists buff
spare tartan
Never
nimble glacier
pale barn
34th run for me with the adamant rail
strange skiff
38 for me
raw herald
46
gray apex
15
somber rapids
24
fast willow
15
flint dirge
guys
how do I enable exagrypth's beam mode?
I already unlocked aspect of lucifer
but I don't get the beam
raw herald
Have you selected the aspect?
raw herald
Well, at least it was an easy fix 
flint dirge
Well, at least it was an easy fix <:dusa:522248771409543188>
I thought you unlock other stuff which adds to the wep
and you shouldn't select it
was wondering what that icon meant
raw herald
Yeah each aspect is seperate
It would be cool to add loads of different things to one weapon but it might not be balanced
flint dirge
It would be cool to add loads of different things to one weapon but it might not...
which boon makes it so you don't have to reload?
flint dirge
I DID ITTT
first 
?
modern garden
raw herald
which boon makes it so you don't have to reload?
That’s a hammer, called delta chamber. The aspect of lucifer variant is called eternal chamber, but isn’t as good as delta chamber
modern garden
Death by styx
Woah wait I just made zagreus dissapear from the screem
Hes not even visible
I dashed into the flowers and moved into the small pillars
buoyant elk
Well then
heady quiver
a
pale barn
Watching my co worker who has never played before struggle in tartarus and being happy for defeating meg
Oh he has no idea
strange skiff
I was too. Think I finally got meg on attempt 15. She had the highest zag kill count until I started reaching dad.
somber rapids
i love how fast you learn though
buoyant elk
Ladies and gentlemen and people of the androgynous nature... I have finally kicked dad's ass
heavy sigil
🙏 nice
buoyant elk
With the added help of grandma demeter but I finally beat him
All it took was numerous boons and the lucky tooth
mint coral
Gaming
buoyant elk
Indeed
somber rapids
i was trying to get merciful end earlier and then had to face hades with an awful fists build lol
i swear every time i use a bad weapon i get terrible luck
and then i pick the bow and get like 4 duo boons
trail citrus
ight, so, I got the lucifer aspect going with seastorm build and the ares/aphro build. Is it me, or does this aspect just suck?
heavy sigil
seastorm build is not bad once u get 2 legendaries 20 zeus boons and 10 posi boons
trail citrus
seastorm build is not bad ~~once u get 2 legendaries 20 zeus boons and 10 posi b...
yes. Without that...
trail citrus
it was useful to me plenty of times
heavy sigil
Sea storm was always a meme
^^
artemis speical is also juicy
zeus attack aphro speical into smoldering also seems fine
trail citrus
yeah, I'm more into shackle builds, since I'm at the end game just farming
just gotta get all the bounties and after that will probably be 0 heat hestia with shackle and taking every chaos gate I can with fated persuasion to get those damn titles
then, after that, modding. So I don't have to rely on godamn lucky boons all the time
specially for lucifer.
I ask for when I stasrt modding, in case somebody may quicly answer this: can you mod guns themselves? Like, change aspects stats and so on?
trail citrus
ty. Will look into that after completing the game
just top recap, the optimal farming startegy would be what I said, perhaps? Like, hestia with shackle, take all the chaos gates and lights of ixion with fated persuasion to get boosts for darkness and gems, save money to buy the special item at styx?
gray apex
You dont really have to go with shackle for low heat runs
trail citrus
yeah, but even faster kills
I'm just trying to min-max for the farming, cause, well, that'll be a few hundreds of runs to buy all the titles, I suppose.
gray apex
If you want to farm resources quickly I'd just look into finishing runs as quickly as possible
And if you do happen to come across some Poseidon or Chaos gates you can take resources buffs
The titles cost like 325K darkness
So yea this isnt usually something you actively farm
You just get it after a lot of attempts
trail citrus
yeah, I just wanna "complete" (quotes cause there will be lines of dialogue I'll surely miss. Like, seriously, how do u make the minotaur give u it's autograph for hypnos? O.o) the game, have somne fun modding it, and then throw it in the shelf to jump to xenoverse 2. So, farming I go, after I'm done with the aspects
ALmost done getting the exagryph aspects, I was thinking about coing with stygius next. Wonder if the optimal there would be arthur with shackle (I know boons can get op, but I don't wanna be hunting them eacha nd every run
And from what I saw, I suppose I gotta give zeus lucifer a try
gray apex
Boons have some rng to them but you dont need crazy builds to win
And getting a few cores or playing around a duo is fairly easy and consistent
trail citrus
fair. Guess I gotta find just what works for lucifer, then
what about the sword, then? WHich aspect and amulets/boons for optimal run times?
arthur seems to do a lot of damage, but haven't tried it in the field yet
gray apex
Nemesis is very strong
You can pair it with Merciful End or start with Artemis and try to go for heartrend somehow
Or rod smoldering air etc whatever you can get to do damage
ME is less reliant on Dedge
Arthur can do big numbers but it's also very slow and clunky
trail citrus
if it is possible to mod aspects, I can't wait till I give arthur a faster speed XD. That'll be op
Still, a few days of farming till then
I'll give arthur a try for the fated prophecies, at least
also, dedge?
trail citrus
I am still to get the hang of using only the dash attach for the sword. I fear that I'm gonna break my joystick with that XD
icy knoll
Anyways how many runs did it take yall to beat the game for the first time
56 iirc
tempest fluorish hazard bomb 😎
icy knoll
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929366230836600885/976791940274212894/2...
a 20 minute first clear?
that is incredibly impressive
good job
oh i'm sorry for the ping
flint dirge
petition to make the bow better, because it's a garbage weapon
buoyant elk
How are you using it?
buoyant elk
No I meant gameplay wise
flint dirge
No I meant gameplay wise
what exactly do you mean?
buoyant elk
What aspects do you have for the bow? Are you timing the attack right? Do you mostly dash attack? How often do you utilize the special that sort of thing
icy knoll
the bow is very good
only weapon where every aspect is great
i mean maybe rail but lucifer is just worse eris
buoyant elk
It's based off preference
icy knoll
rail's still a good weapon tho
signal aspen
petition to make the bow better, because it's a garbage weapon
So true
icy knoll
anyway, mr justine,
to play zag bow: dash strike (full charge, power shot). that's it. just dash strike into dash strike into dash strike
hera: don't play hera on kbm, it's very good otherwise
chiron: mark with dash strike, then spam special. should probably get priv status with heart rend
rama: mark as many enemies as possible then do a full charged dash strike
signal aspen
The special does no damage
icy knoll
that's true
icy knoll
i love hitting for 1k with rama
buoyant elk
Next to the hex
icy knoll
hex?
buoyant elk
The gun
icy knoll
ah
buoyant elk
I can't remember how to actually spell it's name so it's just hex or gun
warm nimbus
anyway, mr justine,
to play zag bow: dash strike (full charge, power shot). that...
hera is completely fine on kbm lol
icy knoll
why would you play kbm hera when you can play kbm beowulf
signal aspen
Kbm hera is not completely fine
trail citrus
ight. Went with lucifer agin for zeus strike
First, he was being bothersome and only gave me the strike the third time we met
then, even with smoldering air, quick recharge from hermes and constantly firing aphrodite's call (without the boon to gibve more damage after call, so there's that), I was still getting pummeled
even the first aspect is miles better than this. I'd rather play with fists without boons nor hammers than keep throwing myself at the wall with this thing
This is a pathetic excuse for a final upgrade. ANd worse of wall, if I'm firing at a prism stone, I can't see the stone charge it's laser to attack me, ending in me getting caught.
patent mesa
welcome to lucifer
it's better than you give it credit for but it's not good relative to other guns
trail citrus
it«s a godamned final aspect. I get that an aspect is meant to change the way a weapon works, not make it better. But any other aspect is better than this
patent mesa
eh it's better than the fists at least
trail citrus
I can't wait to start modding and then increase the fire rate on this thing, cause, u know, it's a freaking laser.
I get around a lot more easily with the fists than with this...
patent mesa
yeah just because you don't vibe with lucifer doesn't mean it's an embarrassment of an aspect
heavy sigil
like jolted, double strike
patent mesa
I mean it is compared to the other hiddens but that's irrelevant
trail citrus
I played with sea storm coupled with double strike. I went right away with a strike zeus and later on picked up the upgrade for ricochet (he was too stingy to give me the jolted boon. Maybe that's what I was missing?). And I also played it with ares/aphro duo. either I got spoiled from my hestia runs, because I don't remember being this bad with the zag aspect
maybe wrong mirror buil?
heavy sigil
well sea storm also needs 2 legendaries to become good so uh
sea storm is a meme build
whats ur mirror?
patent mesa
better not be privileged smh
trail citrus
I'm using the hestia buil. So, yeah
gotta go back to backstab bonus, remove high confience an so
heavy sigil
._. hestia is better with fiery
gray apex
Much better
heavy sigil
also i dont suggest running high conf unless u are, highly conf
trail citrus
ight, I got poiled when playing with hestia
I don't see lucifer being a ultrafast killing weapon, though :/
trail citrus
a pretty expensive one
heady quiver
what does aspect of rama do
devout terrace
Have you tried reading
signal aspen
whats that
heady quiver
nah bro i did but i didnt understand the mark on foes heads
mint coral
Rama is reverse chiron
signal aspen
so basically on rama you shoot things
mint coral
Anyways
The mark makes enemies take a % of your original dmg (60% at max lvl)
So if you hit enemy for 100 then the mark also adds a 60 hit
patent mesa
each weapon at least has one really good aspect
besides fists
south comet
besides fists
how are fists not good
patent mesa
how are fists not good
they're the worst weapon by far since they can't handle high heat
signal aspen
besides fists
gilgamesh is an aspect of the fists tho
signal aspen
exactly
patent mesa
gilgamesh has built in maim
maim is stronger doom
doom is ares status effect
ares is the best god
-> gilgamesh is the best aspect
signal aspen
it also has global damage
and extra dashes
that are definitely not shortened and have 70% of the original iframes
gray apex
The idea of fists being worse than the rest of the weapons is only at the top end of heat and speed
Otherwise I dont think it's worth mentioning
Because it's not relevant
devout terrace
Fists are unironically easier than sword at high heat
patent mesa
tbh I think at lower heat it's still the worst weapon by a fair amount
signal aspen
sword 60 when
devout terrace
No
devout terrace
patent mesa
sword 60 is easy just run arthur
signal aspen
get all of the damage resistance
south comet
60 heat easy just don't get hit and go fast 4head
flint dirge
anyway, mr justine,
to play zag bow: dash strike (full charge, power shot). that...
or I just don't bother with the weapon and play something that is well made like the other weapons
it surprised me how bad the bow was first time I played it
gave it more tries
still disappointed
gray apex
That's really more of a you problem rather than the weapon
flint dirge
That's really more of a *you* problem rather than the weapon
crazy how other weapons are more liked for a reason
devout terrace
Rama is reverse chiron
Wait I really like this
gray apex
crazy how other weapons are more liked _for a reason_
ikr crazy how bow is really liked
slim geyser
something something hera something rama
signal aspen
I don't have a sub6 on bow therefore it's bad
trail citrus
ight
so, at a previous time, I was bashing the lucifer aspect
Now2, I changed my dash button to one fo the shoulder buttons, and it wrecks (got past the first boss in a bit over 4 minutes, with me still getting used to the new dash button)=
slim geyser
not bad!!
gray apex
Dash on Shoulder is pretty gud
trail citrus
In short, lucifer aspect is actually good from the fact that you can keep the beam while dashing. You have to quite probably change the control config
south comet
I like lucifer rail, it's fun
trail citrus
I'd keep going, but the new config is hurting my brain XD
trail citrus
Thing, is, this was with me not used to the new dash button. After getting the hang of that, I bet I could do times similar to hestia's with this aspect
signal aspen
😳
trail citrus
I kinda feel trolled by the devs, though XD
patent mesa
lucifer is good because your chaos boon pool is smaller
trail citrus
"here's this new aspect. It is pretty good, but you gotta achange the dash button if u didn't before to actually play it properly"
patent mesa
tbh I don't think how you dash should be aspect variant
at least not at the lower level
gray apex
You're vulnerable and your special is a lot of damage, also have to reload
slim geyser
yeah and the ramping damage is pretty good so getting rid of that for infinite ammo is funny but not as good
special big damage
trail citrus
hmmm, if I am not mistaken, the lucifer aspect works based on the time you've been firing (not sure if it has to be at the same enemy). And lucifer is the only aspect I know off that allows you to keep firing while dashing instead of caneceling the attack.
slim geyser
all aspects do that im pretty sure
gray apex
You can do that with a lot of weapons
With Lucifer it's seamless because it has no dash strike
patent mesa
they just insert a dash strike
trail citrus
So, one is basicaly obligated to change the dash button for this
patent mesa
uh no
slim geyser
not really
trail citrus
Yeah, but thing is, with dash strikes or special into dash, you can just press the special buttons and then quickly move the tumb to the dash button
slim geyser
who else plays with attack and special on lt/rt
out of curiosity
trail citrus
With luycifer, if you do that, u stop firing and lose the scalating damage, having to restart from the lowest.
south comet
idk I play on kb/m
signal aspen
Yes
gray apex
That shouldnt be your main concern
slim geyser
who else plays with attack and special on lt/rt
out of curiosity
my fingers dont like pressing the buttons so close together so its nice for me
gray apex
Losing the ramp up is no big deal if you're literally interrupting it to use the thing that does more damage
Which is your Special
trail citrus
Yeah, just need to properly land the special XD
trail citrus
maybe with it's hammer upgrade. Otherwise, I've not made proper use of it yet aside for lucky hits
I don't play an aspect without it being maxed
I've been saved all that blood XD
mint coral
who else plays with attack and special on lt/rt
out of curiosity
I use triggers for attack on beo, and special on the rest of them
Way easier to hit special on rail/achilles for me
trail citrus
QUick ask for a tip: zeus strike on luciufer with jolted. What now?
go for demeter duo?
latent orbit
need some tips on what i should choose
i already have the req for the cerbrus thing
patent mesa
that depends on a lot of factors
will you win if you go to dad right now?
are you a little short of the meta currency and still need that stuff?
can your build handle styx chambers without losing a lot of health?
latent orbit
will you win if you go to dad right now?
first time coming her so im a bit nervous
so i wanna prepare to fight dad
and i have like no obol
but i shuld be able to get through the chambers without loosing much health
late ocean
2 of those are miniboss chambers tho
late ocean
Mini bosses
latent orbit
Mini bosses
what type of minibosses
late ocean
“Tiny vermin” which is a rat that teleports around and has a gigantic health pool, some beefed up satyr, and a beefed up snake stone iirc
heavy sigil
mini bosses r usually much easier then the normal final rooms
only thing that can be harder is tiny rat
but still not as hard i think
wait u alr got the sac
go to dad
late ocean
^
latent orbit
only thing that can be harder is tiny rat
cant i pass that with cast?
heavy sigil
fountain just before dad is worth more then almost anything
late ocean
Like unless there’s something you desperately need from the obol/boons I don’t see why you would risk losing health
late ocean
Especially your first time
latent orbit
thanks
icy knoll
crazy how other weapons are more liked _for a reason_
bow is easily like the 2nd most liked weapon, behind rail and mayyyyybe fists with new players
everybody loves chiron
just because you don't like a weapon (you haven't played it well) don't say that everybody also has the same opinion as you and if they don't they're wrong
heavy sigil
bow is rlly damn good
hera rama
zag bow is also a rlly good weapon for a zag aspect
and chiron uh
at least ppl also like chiron
zinc idol
Does anybody know why if its harder to find orpheus and eurydice after freeing orpheus
Ive been playing around 12 hours now and still cant find them
And can that block other reunitions
I havent been able to get nyx and chaos together and they just repeat voice lines
amber bluff
nah that's just rng being rng
zinc idol
nah that's just rng being rng
Took me about 100 hours of playtime on my first save to find patroclus and achilles
spare tartan
Whats the cap on godmode?
patent mesa
Whats the cap on godmode?
80%
latent orbit
post build now 🔫
alr alr
latent orbit
post build now 🔫
didnt get victory page screenshot but here is the records screenshot
latent orbit
oh you got smair
smair?
icy knoll
smoldering air, the auto-charge for the call
icy knoll
one of the best duo boons
not quite so on aphro aid tho
latent orbit
helped deal dps to dad rlly quickly tho
icy knoll
(thick skin is generally better if you're not speedrunning)
latent orbit
so i can complete the mirror
icy knoll
stub def for first win, huh
latent orbit
(thick skin is generally better if you're not speedrunning)
but its only +5
icy knoll
eh, levels up to +50
latent orbit
oh wow
icy knoll
also chthonic vitality is much better than dark regeneration
heavy sigil
ehh
patent mesa
all the homies hate dark regen
heavy sigil
60/40 in the side of chthonic vitality
latent orbit
stub def for first win, huh
kept me alive in elysium
heavy sigil
maybe 70/30 even
heavy sigil
actually wth am i saying its like
00/10
90/10
bc fountain after bosses is a thing
heavy sigil
lol yeah the more i theory crafted the more i realized how useless it is
heavy sigil
^^
patent mesa
dark foresight is super broken
heavy sigil
family fav is free 20% to 25% global dmg
heavy sigil
what aspect r u using/plan to use?
icy knoll
generally firey presence is better but with fists it's shadow
and also use dds if you're not doing high heat, probably
and chthonic vitality
latent orbit
what aspect r u using/plan to use?
talos
nimble glacier
are the other bows worth using besides chiron
icy knoll
~~talos user! laugh at this person 
~~
latent orbit
~~talos user! laugh at this person <:zaglol:725043931867512903> ~~
should i though?
b/c i havent spent my blood yet
icy knoll
demeter is way better
heavy sigil
usually mirror is smth like
red/green depending on aspect
red 95% of the time
red, but if u have LC4 then green
red always
red always
red always
red unless speedrunning
green always, some builds run red maybe?
green always, op af
latent orbit
demeter is way better
aight
nimble glacier
crazey
patent mesa
demeter fists gang
heavy sigil
i have 0 wins on fists lmao
or spear
and also have a 50 heat run done
kind of funny
patent mesa
what about guan yu smh
heavy sigil
😩
icy knoll
achilles is fun
heavy sigil
never even touched that aspect
latent orbit
what about guan yu smh
trying to reveal that one
icy knoll
trying to reveal that one
don't touch it until you have max titan blood
thank me later
heavy sigil
i tried achilles, half way through i was like this is boring
latent orbit
don't touch it until you have max titan blood
aii
heavy sigil
some aspects that are pretty popular and liked by most is
latent orbit
is aspect of hera good?
heavy sigil
yeah
latent orbit
i normally main bow and fists
icy knoll
don't use it on kbm
heavy sigil
hera is rlly good, rama is also rlly fun
icy knoll
rama goat
heavy sigil
hera kbm is alr, but u just have to be good
mint coral
rama 🙏
latent orbit
hera is rlly good, rama is also rlly fun
how do you reveal rama
heavy sigil
pins in story
heavy sigil
hera is rlly good, rama is also rlly fun
also this might imply that hera is better then rama, its not
patent mesa
beo >>>
heavy sigil
rama takes a bit to get used to, but once u do its rlly fun
latent orbit
don't use it on kbm
wait whats kbm?
heavy sigil
i hated rama until i spent more then 5 mins on the weapon
heavy sigil
wait whats kbm?
keyboard and mouse
latent orbit
keyboard and mouse
ohh
heavy sigil
yeah hera is janky on kbm
heavy sigil
unless ur aim is rlly damn good then u miss quite often
patent mesa
tbh what bugged me most about rama on my 32 was how unsafe the special felt
icy knoll
zag bow is really fun
patent mesa
how do I fix this
icy knoll
cancel it with dash
heavy sigil
dash special dash
patent mesa
huh ok
icy knoll
and/or dashstike
heavy sigil
i wouldnt usually do special and attack together without dashing in between
actually i would never
patent mesa
yep yep
heavy sigil
bc u want dash strikes
heavy sigil
its only good with triple but its good if u get both
patent mesa
wait is twin explosive bad
heavy sigil
bc u just spam minimum change shots
icy knoll
this is true
but seriously is there any real argument that beo isn't the best weapon in the game?
it's super easy to play, great for speedruns, great for high heat, easiest bossfights in the game
beo is just the best
heavy sigil
wait is twin explosive bad
prob still good
patent mesa
but seriously is there any real argument that beo isn't the best weapon in the g...
I think I'll always feel this way
mint coral
Tho i kinda give that to croven enjoying hera a lot more
heavy sigil
but i dont think going for explosion when u have twin is smth u should do
patent mesa
probably only legitimate disagreement would be from mega heat sweats that want RI
since beo can't deal with it
mint coral
It still one of the best cast weapons for heat lol
patent mesa
yep yep
patent mesa
facts
latent orbit
should i reveal aspect of gy first or nah?
patent mesa
no brain
latent orbit
like not unlock it
heavy sigil
should i reveal aspect of gy first or nah?
u have to iirc
mint coral
You still want to learn cast management tbh
heavy sigil
i dont think u need to buy
mint coral
Only reveal
latent orbit
u have to iirc
you have to to unlock the other hidden aspects
heavy sigil
you have to to unlock the other hidden aspects
yeah
latent orbit
k then reveal asap so you can max out beo
is beo rlly that good?
mint coral
Beobug is good yeah
patent mesa
You still want to learn cast management tbh
I agree but I think the distinction is that even if you just spam all your casts you'll still do relatively great with beo
latent orbit
Beobug is good yeah
whats beobug?
mint coral
Turns out having mirage shot bugged in your favor + being a shield is amazing
patent mesa
aka its skill floor is through the roof
icy knoll
whats beobug?
beowulf is very buggy, nickname
mint coral
BeOwOlf
patent mesa
lmao beobug
latent orbit
beowulf is very buggy, nickname
ohh
icy knoll
most of the bugs help you tho
mint coral
Trippy flare poms 
mint coral
The only thing about beo is dont look at anything outside the 3 top flares
latent orbit
imma do it
patent mesa
to be fair lvl1 beo is broken relative to other lvl1 aspects
heavy sigil
wait
mint coral
They either are weird or just average
patent mesa
so you can just buy it and use lvl1 to farm blood for demeter
latent orbit
so you can just buy it and use lvl1 to farm blood for demeter
nah like i first have to reveal gy
then unlock beo
heavy sigil
to reveal gy
patent mesa
hm I see
heavy sigil
u have to unlock 5 apsects
patent mesa
then trying to bumrush hiddens might not be best
latent orbit
and i have 2 blood
heavy sigil
tbh ive never grinded for blood ever
the game just gives it to u if u just play
u get 2 every run, and if u can beat 0 heat consistently, u can beat like 10 heat pretty easily
latent moon
does em4 to get 10 heat
heavy sigil
patent mesa
like at 8 heat you lose your entire mirror
patent mesa
bounty system needs to be reworked for that reason, I shouldn't be expected to do RI4 EM4 AP1 just for max bounties
icy knoll
cp should really be 2 heat per point
patent mesa
that seems fair
heavy sigil
also dc has to be removed
patent mesa
tbh rebalancing heat sounds like a fun task
heavy sigil
RL3 should be the max
latent orbit
alr gtg gn
heavy sigil
AP2 shouldnt be a thing
raw herald
DN should be nerfed
latent moon
make em5 where hades joins every boss fight
heavy sigil
lmao
patent mesa
where's the heat website again?
heavy sigil
em6 ur in a 1 v 12 against every god
heavy sigil
where's the heat website again?
uhm
raw herald
patent mesa
thanks geraldo abuser
heavy sigil
raw herald
rofxic
heavy sigil
rof abuser smh
raw herald
Wonder what hestias flare would look like if she was a god in the game
patent mesa
rof
HL: unchanged
LC: unchanged
CF: unchanged
JS: 20% -> 15%
EM: EM4 4 -> 5 heat
CP: 15% -> 10%
BP: remove +DC perk
MM: unchanged
UC: unchanged
FO: unchanged
HS: +400% -> +200%, HS2 added
RI: 2 -> 3 heat
DC: idk, remove?
AP: AP2 removed
TD: unchanged
PL: unchanged
heavy sigil
tbh TD4 with 4 mins each would be fun
icy knoll
https://hadesheat.onrender.com/
randomized a 32 pact and it gave me the most optimal of them all
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506234269287448577/977046065410867230/unknown.png?width=962&height=990
raw herald
Wonder if people would take a stackable HS
patent mesa
oh good idea
raw herald
randomized a 32 pact and it gave me the most optimal of them all
https://media.d...
Ri4 EM4 LC4 real
icy knoll
gonna be honest i feel that ap2 should just be removed from the game
heavy sigil
it should
patent mesa
BP2 to 4 heat?
raw herald
It’s fiiiiiiine
heavy sigil
in theory its a great idea, in practice its stupid
icy knoll
don't even try to balance it just cap ap at 1 and call it a day
patent mesa
you know what I'm in full agreement
heavy sigil
BP2 to 4 heat?
nah, BP is weird
slim geyser
bp bad
raw herald
Heat isn’t balanced past 40 atm
icy knoll
Ri4 EM4 LC4 real
js3 too
patent mesa
oh as in fiddle with certain BP combinations?
heavy sigil
sometimes BP is the most free thing in the world, other times it just kills ur run
patent mesa
aka remove +DC
heavy sigil
oh as in fiddle with certain BP combinations?
yeah
patent mesa
that thing is too unbalanced imo
raw herald
I’d prevent numbskulls from getting cloner and saviour perk if your aspect name begins with H
heavy sigil
also maybe having like one type armoured enemy have a BP assigned to it would be good
icy knoll
I’d prevent numbskulls from getting cloner and saviour perk if your aspect name ...
hades
heavy sigil
so it wouldnt be rng
raw herald
Actually perks double dipping would be cool
heavy sigil
like only thugs could get dmg, and such
raw herald
Not balanced but cool
heavy sigil
._.
patent mesa
also is it just me or is that ring BP really weak
patent mesa
I can't tell if it ever does anything
heavy sigil
it is
heavy sigil
oh yeah chariots
patent mesa
I kinda see it as just "here's a visual reminder you're on high heat"
if that makes sense
raw herald
Yeh
mint coral
Is the ring supposed to slow you or pull you to the enemy?
heavy sigil
but like dashes r a thing so it isnt too important
mint coral
On that context is em4 casts the same thing?
patent mesa
Puller (purple disk) - The enemy has a small 'gravitational' field around them that can not be escaped by walking. Usually takes several dashes to break free.
mint coral
half a dash
Play gilga, i got it
patent mesa
wiki says EM4 skulls just slow
would RI to 3 heat be good enough change?
I was thinking what if it let you remove mirrors of your choice
icy knoll
nah ri is good as is
heavy sigil
i think RI4 is stupid
icy knoll
one of the better designed pacts imo
heavy sigil
RL3 is fine but
patent mesa
huh really
heavy sigil
RL4 legit removes too much from ur kit
patent mesa
I think 2 heat removing DF is too problematic
heavy sigil
like double dash and dds?
patent mesa
aka RI1 should be more appealing instead of just instant RI2
icy knoll
yeah lc is fun
heavy sigil
i think thats the best in terms of design
icy knoll
fo2 is one of the best ones too
mint coral
I did R1 for my 50 heat lol
heavy sigil
ignore that sd just carries LC's design
patent mesa
my preference in casual is MM since it makes barge more fun
mint coral
MM is fun
patent mesa
I did R1 for my 50 heat lol
sus
heavy sigil
em3 is also fun
patent mesa
agreed
heavy sigil
unless u get like 20 charges in ur fight
patent mesa
EM2 kinda stressful though
mint coral
Tbh you can say most pacts alone are fine
patent mesa
but only becomes horrible with HS
heavy sigil
Tbh you can say most pacts alone are fine
true
patent mesa
as a tool for teaching you about strength of purging I agree
but I don't consider it fun at all
heavy sigil
i like that u need to keep it in mind as u make ur boon/room choices
patent mesa
very true
mint coral
EM as a whole is one my fav pacts
patent mesa
like getting three dumpster boons and choosing by rarity
mint coral
Mainly the dialogue changes/except lernie
mint coral
Wait fr?
heavy sigil
yeah never even tried it
patent mesa
EM4 FO2 is worth doing once on like beo
mint coral
patent mesa
insane adrenaline
patent mesa
surely with EM4 hestia it's basically 0 heat afterwards lmao
mint coral
Can Just do em4 alone mainly to see the changes too
heavy sigil
lol yeah u just slap on TD3 CF2 UC MM FO2 call it a day
patent mesa
😩 been meaning to do it with like a simple 32 heat hestia run but uh
https://i.imgur.com/GtzP84D.png here you go
mint coral
Unless you have a reaaaaaally awful build i say yes
patent mesa
I don't think it adds too much time
mint coral
Specially at 32
heavy sigil
hm alr
patent mesa
and the 4 heat makes earlier rooms a big joke
heavy sigil
doing that tmr ig
patent mesa
so you can basically speedrun pace into dad
heavy sigil
em4 shouldnt be too hard right
mint coral
I did at for my 45 heat run
patent mesa
well probably don't run LC4 HL5
heavy sigil
i usually end hestia 32 heat runs with like all my dds and 1/2 of my hp
patent mesa
cuz on SD I find it unpleasant
mint coral
Dc4 
heavy sigil
DC4
patent mesa
but yeah on DD with healing in play you shouldn't have any issues on dad even at FO2
just don't eat spears or dog on boiling
mint coral
Or be like me that eats 2 spins at the start of the fight
patent mesa
that 58 heat EM4 demeter fists fight was so beautiful
heavy sigil
i usually lose all my acorn before 1/3 of his first phase is gone
patent mesa
dude double dashed all of his spins perfectly
mint coral
Which one?
heavy sigil
and then im like oh shoot i gotta actually dodge