#h1-discussion

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raw herald
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Pretty sure the em4 strat is to stay in the corner and spam cshot

icy knoll
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wait rly?
i was doing dashstrike-bullrush as my main attack combo

patent mesa
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lol same

icy knoll
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also is pulv blow good

patent mesa
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time to rethink my life

raw herald
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You can still do that, it’ll give mobility but you’ll output way more attacks doing standing strikes

raw herald
icy knoll
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neat

patent mesa
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I picked up poseidon dash, is that meta for zag shield?

raw herald
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Ehh

patent mesa
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no dash at all then

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since no dash strikes

raw herald
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Pretty much

patent mesa
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huh

raw herald
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Zag shield is a 1 boon and done build

patent mesa
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time to do zag shield 40 then

raw herald
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Divine dash is by far the best lol

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Blinding flash is alright

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Smoldering air op

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That’s aboht it

patent mesa
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muscle memory of dash strike charge inflicted by beo is gonna be hard to shake

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maybe for 40 I'll do aphro -> zeus then

heavy sigil
raw herald
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Aphro attack epic level 16

patent mesa
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aphro presumably

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sus

heavy sigil
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lmao

patent mesa
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actually ares is best attack boon according to reddit

raw herald
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Reddit bouldy

patent mesa
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or do they fetishize ares special on shield

raw herald
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Hades subreddit sucks

patent mesa
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I forgot

raw herald
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Yes

heavy sigil
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every subreddit about a game is questionable in terms of skill

patent mesa
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I saw a DF vs OF poll on there the other day and it was like 55 45

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truly distressing

heavy sigil
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what does those 2 mean

raw herald
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I got downvoted for saying that zag fists and sword were the worst zag aspects in the game for speedrunning

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And heat

patent mesa
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lol

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you'd get crucified if you expressed your fist hatred

raw herald
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“I got a really cool sword build and escaped but I’ve never escaped with the bow”

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Sword op then

patent mesa
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"fists are the best weapon because they were my first clear and now I beat hades a quarter of the time with exclusively zag fists plume"

raw herald
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Fr

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Victory screens looking like
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Oop

signal aspen
raw herald
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Yeah just realised 2.3 minutes ago

patent mesa
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I've been noticing the actual gameplay content on there is kinda horrific

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there's this pervasive addiction to the most highroll builds in existence to the extent that consistency is almost nonexistent in discussion

raw herald
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What is “flood flare”? I only know “trippy flare”

signal aspen
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Aren't they in love with pstatus

patent mesa
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yeah I died in asphodel after not getting any chaos bloodstones but 20 runs ago I got 5 stygian casts so trippy flare op

patent mesa
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idk it's kinda absurd

raw herald
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not as bad as btd6 reddit

patent mesa
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lol

signal aspen
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Now I'm gonna get reddit

patent mesa
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gun discussion on the subreddit is relegated to haha funny super soaker and recommending clockets for 32 heat

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which is sad imo

raw herald
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Eris clockets is the speedrun meta right???

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It’s certainly the eris meta

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So is frost flourish no dash

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Apparently

patent mesa
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the other thing I hate is the obsession over trash keepsakes

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namely butterfly plume and blossom

icy knoll
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if i get rd on zag shield does dashstrike-rush become better dps

patent mesa
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you ask what's best keepsake for styx and majority respond with blossom which is pure insanity

raw herald
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Maybe

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Rd isn’t gonna do a ton for your attack

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Assuming it’s a high rarity aphro

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But it’ll really help your call

patent mesa
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yeah so depends on how much flat damage you have right

raw herald
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Basically

elfin osprey
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This is so f scripted

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Dude im at the last boss

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And i cant dodge his spin

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And on top of that my 15% dodge chance form boons did not even trigger once!!!

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Wtf

fresh steppe
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dash away from it

slim geyser
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dash through him without attacking

fresh steppe
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yeah dash attacking removes i frames

slim geyser
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you have i frames

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so yeah dash towards him and dont attack

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also none of the fights are scripted? lmao

elfin osprey
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Dude

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Hold auto click boons thing

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+30% atk speed

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Whit like over200% buff dmg

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Also soom boons are really not wort it

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Like crit boons

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How u want todo crit?

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If it give barely any crit chance

signal aspen
latent moon
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no hades fights are scripted, each time you get there nothing changes other than the enemies it spawns during it's first phase

elfin osprey
latent moon
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wdym

elfin osprey
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.-.?

latent moon
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i dont know what you're trying to say

elfin osprey
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If you finish the game over and over

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You will just skipping the story

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Because there actually some of them that you have to die

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To progress toward the story

latent moon
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well the dialogue would probably come up eventually, even after you complete a run

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to trigger story dialogue the only requirement is probably just for an end to run, win or loss

elfin osprey
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I mean like .-.

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I just skip some of the story cuz

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I was supossed to win but i did not

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So next time i got to the last boss i was like

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Tf they talk about?

latent moon
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well that's what happens when you skip the dialogue lmao

elfin osprey
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I did not

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I was actually suposed to win there

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Like lets say you win you first first run

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You meet u mother butttt

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U dont even know it u mother

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So the story is completly upside down

latent moon
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i mean you'll figure it out eventually through dialogue back at the house

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it's not like you'll never figure it out

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also during that dialogue with his mother she'll probably mention something about zag being her son

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i mean either way, none of the runs are scripted in the game and any deaths are at the fault of the player, not because the game doesnt want you to win

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the only scripted ones are the first few runs, but not because they make you lose, but because they force you to pick up certain gods at the start

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like the first one is always athena, the second is always zeus i believe, and then with poseidon the game makes you take legendary catch

slim geyser
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literally not scripted
just harder

elfin osprey
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Eudt ou bbye hd f hm fzlic khrxidtg'gg

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P cgg

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Dude

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Im just getting the freaking same scenario

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Over n over

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Just cuz i cant pass it

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Fj je fkfkd'k'llg Mrrff hmk kr xd kfxjk des slodldkskskmfuldkirfp

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The worst i have like so much op stuff

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And i cant pass it cus he hurt like a freaking truc

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Whitout even a debuff on me

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AND I HAVE MY 3life

reef zodiac
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What

slim geyser
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what weapon are you using

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what does your build look like

patent widget
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I need 10,910 more gemstones and my house of hades is complete shadesmile

candid sparrow
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So it would seem using Charm against Thesus the moment he goes into "God Mode" causes him to just attack himself. Was a good chunk of damage there.

elfin sinew
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shoud i trade 1 ambrosia for 500 darkness?

candid sparrow
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Probably isn't the worst trade, I'm practically swimming in the stuff.

elfin sinew
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i only have 1 tho and im probs not killing theseus with anything else any time soon

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also should i go stubborn defiance or death defiance?

candid sparrow
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To be fair you won't have a use for it until you knock out a lot of nectar, so in your early state I'd take that trade.

elfin sinew
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alr

candid sparrow
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When you first start out, stubborn can be more useful as you get more accustomed to the game's combat/boon system.

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Since it gives you a 30% health bar every chamber vs. 50% three times per escape attempt.

elfin sinew
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i usually dont die in normal rooms

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except in temple of styx

candid sparrow
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Even then if you end up with less than 30% health and the stubborn defiance is there, trap yourself to "death" and come back with more health.

elfin sinew
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aalr

slim geyser
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use death defy

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stubborn is only really for high heat

warm nimbus
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i think most people recommend using dd until high heat bc most of your deaths are going to be in bosses

candid sparrow
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But once you get comfortable with the game and load enough into the mirror, you'll likely switch back as having 50% is more useful, especially if you get a really messy room.

slim geyser
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yeah

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death defies are much more helpful, especially once maxed out

candid sparrow
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Running with the assumption this fellow doesn't have nearly enough darkness to max it yet.

warm nimbus
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like sd being a safety net in every room doesnt help if you die to champions all the time because you take too much damage from them

slim geyser
vast lodge
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oh man i finally beat hades at run 37, feel so stupid bc i didn't discover weapon aspects OR calls until run 30

warm nimbus
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well gg but um

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yeah that makes it considerably harder

vast lodge
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so now i feel better about not beating it faster lol, calls help so much it's insane

candid sparrow
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I think I was around the 30s when I first broke out.

vast lodge
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also this is my first actual proper combat game of any kind besides genshin so all in all, didn't do too bad

slim geyser
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gg

candid sparrow
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vast lodge
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candid sparrow
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Charged Shot + Lightning Rod + Beowulf. OH BABY.

vast lodge
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honestly what i love about this game is that the attacks are so well telegraphed, like it feels really balanced and fair

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it makes it easy to get better

candid sparrow
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Just wait until the Pact of Punishment comes into play.

patent mesa
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I just finished a FO2 run and disagree with attacks being well telegraphed lol

vast lodge
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i just did another successful run with tight deadline 9 mins but just looking at all the heat options makes me anxious lmfao

patent mesa
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speeder FO2 longspears are on some serious bs lmao

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swear their attacks come out frame 1

warm nimbus
candid sparrow
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I'd say one of them at the very least is more a benefit to you than it is a difficulty addition. (Jury Duty)

warm nimbus
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do you mean jury summons? because i would disagree with that

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just makes rooms way slower

candid sparrow
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Kills give coin. More things to kill is more coin.

heavy sigil
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jury summons sucks

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its like not bad enough to avoid at higher heats, but it sucks a lot

warm nimbus
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yeah its also just a pain

heavy sigil
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its worse then CP just bc u never use CP unless ur doing some crackhead run

patent mesa
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hidden mechanic of lightning rod is that it makes your casts harder to pick up

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so it literally nerfs you

heavy sigil
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plus u should be cycling ur casts 247 with beowulf so leaving ur casts to do mid dmg isnt rlly helping

slim geyser
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rod :(

candid sparrow
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Yeah. Following up on my previous statement, first escape was 35.

reef zodiac
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Well Rod ain’t too bad for CShot Beo

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If you have jolted or double strike

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But it’s definitely not great

umbral parrot
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Rod, is the one that makes bloodstones that havent been picked up, do damage right?

reef zodiac
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Yeah

fresh steppe
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I only really pick it up if it’s like, given to me and I want a bit of extras damage ig

umbral parrot
gray apex
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Yes

umbral parrot
gray apex
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Lightning rod also makes your casts harder to pick up

reef zodiac
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Especially with more Zeus boons

twin thistle
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eris plus ROD dusa

reef zodiac
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Actually sounds quite good

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If it’s not a speedrun

pale barn
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Im trying to learn doing a perfect run, (0 damage)

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I always make it to late asphodel where i run into lava or something xd

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or mess something up during the second phase of lernie

gray apex
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It's not that easy

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What weapon aspect are you playing

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Hestia is a very strong option, strongest arguably

pale barn
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i use the bow and the second aspect

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the lock on special

gray apex
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That's gonna be difficult yea

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Special locks you in place for quite a bit and your damage is strictly single target

pale barn
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Not if you get the hammer upgrade

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Special pierces and 400% to armor

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then you gotta line up with the last guy being targeted 😄

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ill try hestia

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its just a single shot that empowers?

gray apex
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Yes

gray apex
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In fact it lowers your range lol

upper drift
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Hello is a co op mod or multiplayer mod available for hades ?

gray apex
upper drift
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Okay thanks for answering

pale barn
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@gray apex What is the strat with the aspect of hestia? Just shoot-reload-shoot-reload?

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As if it was a bolt action rifle or something?

gray apex
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Well there is more depth to the aspect, especially if you have Tidal Dash, which you should, you use your dash to deal damage to enemies aswell as cancel those reload animations because they're too long, you also use your Special every other shot while also cancelling the reload animation, even better if you have Rocket Bomb

languid oriole
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is there any tip or tricks on how to make the bull trigger his line to unlock the hidden aspect of the Twin Fists ?

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I have all the other hidden but he keeps dodging those lines for me

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I always aim to go to chamber with the skull icon but whenever he shows up, he never talks about the fists lol. I always keep extreme measures on elysium on but that also doesn't help much

gray apex
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Do you have fists equipped

languid oriole
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yeah

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I'm fairly new to the game. I just got the epilogue, so I know there may be still story lines that have priority and need to come first, but still I have done 13 fist runs today and it's quite exhausting trying to trigger it lol

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he mentioned about the twin fists once, but according to guides you need him to mention about it a second time and I'm begging him to say the line but he always talks about Theseus haha

icy knoll
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yeah you need him to talk about fists twice, but it's rng based if you have other dialogue in the pool

mint coral
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There is only 1 mention of the fists needed tho? thanthink

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After he talks about the fists he can mention the phrase once you invest the titam blood needed

icy knoll
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talk to him about fists twice to unlock it, one to set it up, and a second for the waking phrase

patent widget
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Should I die if I get Poseidon in tartarus? Farming gemstones currently

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Not as the first boon but in a chamber

icy knoll
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poseidon gives you ocean's bounty so no

gray apex
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Why

icy knoll
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poseidon is the best god for farming because ocean's bounty and sunken treasure

icy knoll
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have you used all your ambrosia already?

chrome yoke
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nope

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havent used a single ambrosia yet this is a new run

icy knoll
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eh, i'd say worth

chrome yoke
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yeah i thought as much

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thanks

vale ocean
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wretched broker deals are always either god tier or "give 1 titan blood for 20 keys" level bad

umbral parrot
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1 titan blood for 20 keys doesnt sound bad Thonk

deep grotto
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it only depends on what youre looking for atm

icy knoll
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final chamber before hades
do i choose epic premium vintage or epic positive outlook

patent mesa
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technically depends on how many dds you have I guess

icy knoll
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just did the math vintage gives me slightly more hp

patent mesa
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it also gives you pom slice

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so that's kinda nice

heavy sigil
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and u passively gain it even when u dont need it

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unless u have like 100k darkness, but at the point u dont need either

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icy knoll
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no?

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that just gives you poseidon in your pool

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heh

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a million more chances to get ocean's bounty, without requiring you to use poseidon keepsake in aspho or get really lucky in tart

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what is this line of thinking

patent widget
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Good point

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Thanks for the help

karmic lily
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How to unlock contractor theme ?
It is not appearing on my new save

gray apex
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For most themes I think atleast

short glen
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You know, dash at cursor might help with my biggest problem where I dash into walls and lava all the time

deep grotto
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is that a thing

short glen
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I think I saw something like that

gray apex
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I mean ig it depends on you but personally I'm not very focused on my cursor at all so I can not use it for movement

deep grotto
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i play kbm and my game seems to not want to work when i want to dash S+D

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left down i mean

gray apex
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Is your dash on Space

deep grotto
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right down

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oops

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yes

gray apex
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Hmm

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I'm not totally sure but some keyboards have problems registering multiple keys being pressed at once

deep grotto
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i have to press s and d for a milisecond then let go and dash

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if i want to dash in that direction

deep grotto
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kinda old computer

icy knoll
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try putting dash on a mouse button

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(nkeyrollover is actually the solution, but nevermind)

warm nimbus
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yeah or sometines a different key on the keyboard can work

gray apex
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Yea it happens more if the keys are close to each other I think

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Not that you should split your movement keys because i think that would be kinda cursed bouldy

arctic field
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hi guys just wanting to check, there’s somewhere we can buy hades vinyl ? or the item doesn’t exist ?

void vigil
umbral parrot
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I have 3 boons. 2 random boons i picked up for no reason, and an epic flood flare.

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I pick ambrosia delight from eurydice so my flood flare gets heroic.

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The 2 random boons both get upgraded

umbral parrot
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@gray apex

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should i pick slicing flare over flood flare?

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Its heroic and i have mirage shot

signal aspen
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no

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slicing flare is very bad

fresh steppe
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Flood Flare

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good aoe

gray apex
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Slicing Flare is probably the worst cast for the aspect

umbral parrot
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Should i take flurry shot on hera?

signal aspen
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its pretty hard to use

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if you want to be a gamer then take it

umbral parrot
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Wait

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i cant

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i cant charge

signal aspen
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yeah

umbral parrot
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This is nice to use

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in tartarus at least

gray apex
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It's pretty nice

signal aspen
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stop lying mike youre on kbm

gray apex
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But yea hard to control and needs some practice

gray apex
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Only difference between me and controller players is that my hera pb is 15 minutes

signal aspen
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checks out bouldy

umbral parrot
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Im basically one shotting everything in tartarus bouldy

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it appears Hera is just a ranged beowulf without a block Hmm_Rem

signal aspen
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basically

umbral parrot
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and the game

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crashed

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😀

umbral parrot
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This weird thing with thanatos showed up..

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They talked a bit

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And a purple arrow thing showed up

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on the heart bar thing

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What is that?

signal aspen
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something to do with the ability to romance him

umbral parrot
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ohh

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do i take heroic true shot over flood flare?

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(Hera)

signal aspen
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both of them are kinda bad

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what are the other arty boons

umbral parrot
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ive had a nice time with flood flare idk

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hunter dash and aid

signal aspen
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on hera its not that good

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idk take aid

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for hera you want crush shot

umbral parrot
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I got mirage shot

signal aspen
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poggie

umbral parrot
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So.. i dont know why but the difficulty was way underwhelming than what i expected

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this was very easy for some reason i dont understand

signal aspen
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just a gamer

umbral parrot
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And.. i just got the awakening phase for arthur and gave orpheus an ambrosia

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The ambrosia apparently did nothing

indigo mason
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So should I just go ahead and buy hades or?

gray apex
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Why not

indigo mason
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The genre might not be for me ig

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That'd be the only reason that gives me second thoughts

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Also don't wanna spend money again and end up regretting it :/

gray apex
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Yea that’s fair

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You could look up a few things but there might be spoilers

signal aspen
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i wasnt a big fan of roguelites before hades

indigo mason
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Any idea if the game is good on ps4?

signal aspen
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its good on all platforms

indigo mason
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Oh

indigo mason
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So ye def don't wanna do it again

void vigil
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i dont know how it works on ps4, but you could play a bit and if you dont like it, refund it

heavy sigil
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^^

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on steam if u have less then 2 hrs, u can refund it

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tho i dont think 2 hrs is enough, but its enough for a taste

void vigil
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i enjoyed it very much and i have not played other roguelites before - it also has the god mode feature if youre more interested in the story than the gameplay, or want a more chill experience, or for whatever other reason

fervent turtle
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uh so... i launched hades today and steam told me the game was updated? there is no news i could find though, and searching discord chat didn't help either. anyone have any idea what's going on?

void vigil
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no update for me

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steam does that sometimes

indigo mason
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I don't think I can refund

fervent turtle
indigo mason
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I bought it rn btw. It's downloading so I need to figure out what to do for the next 20 min or smth. But ye i hope I'll like it

void vigil
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if there was a significant update though, you would see it in #hades-patch-notes and the steam forums. otherwise its just bugfixes

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i hope you like it too! its a really fun game, and dont give up even if its difficult at the start shadesmile

fervent turtle
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i figured even if there was a real update it would be a bugfix but apparently i was just Deceived anyways

fervent turtle
void vigil
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i have actually never tried clearing fresh file before... still sometimes coming back to my main file to grind completionist stuff

indigo mason
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Uh question. Based on Greek mythology Zagreus is supposed to be the son of Zeus. So why is it that in the game he is the son of hades?

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Or is the answer to my question a spoiler or smth?

icy knoll
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some versions of the myth have zag connected to hades

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and the zeus thing is referenced, you'll find out

indigo mason
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👍

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Actually will I find out? I heard that every run will be different so r u sur?

icy knoll
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every run is different, but there's a story that runs through all of them

patent widget
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+156% total in darkness and gemstones, oceans bounty all I need

indigo mason
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What are gemstones? Also should I be asking questions here or in the new players channel?

reef zodiac
indigo mason
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Oh

fervent turtle
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you can use them go get items from the house contractor (if you don't know who they are worry not, they will show up in house of hades soon)

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they are mostly cosmetic, but some have some utilities which i'll let you discover for yourself:)

indigo mason
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Ty. So ig spending gold to get sm isn't a bad choice

reef zodiac
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Well it gives you a very low number. So it’s up to you whether it’s worth it

fervent turtle
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depends, really. i find it more useful to buy any sort of stat upgrade because you know, rewards for winning are better than gemstones

reef zodiac
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But no, it’s never a bad choice (when you’re starting out), since you’re buying something that permanently matters outside of that single run

fervent turtle
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but then again lately i've been buying darkness due to farming reasons so... your choice in the end

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also 100% what UnholyPancake said

indigo mason
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So there can be bad choices in what u r buying?

fervent turtle
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nothing really hinders you (unless some edge cases) but some options are better than others

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playing more and understanding how things work will make you better at judging whether you need to buy something or not

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but if you're starting out, which i'm assuming you are, there is no harm in just trying out stuff. i found the experimentation in the beginning very fun and trying to play "optimally" from your first run just ruins that enjoyment for me

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(no hate obviously, just personal preference)

indigo mason
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Ye but I can be very picky Abt stuff lol. I'm just starting out indeed bought the game half an ur ago. Tried playing with the bow and I did reach further but I think I prefer the sword at the end. I died bc of a spike trap ._.

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It does not matter how many times u die right?

fervent turtle
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nope!

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in fact it's better to die often in the early game both for story and for metaprogression reasons

patent widget
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For the house contractor it can be very….”grindy”

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But there’s a strat that I found that can get you 600-800 gemstones per run

patent widget
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Btw it’s not something you have to do, don’t feel like your forced to grind out gemstones

indigo mason
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Hmm. I won't worry abt gemstones for now ig. I won't be spending them either. Abt the weapons I don't hav the spear. It is a spear right? Also I died twice to Hercules's wife so I'ma try that again

mint coral
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Thats a different Meg

indigo mason
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Oh

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Bruh

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Who is she? Also why hav they changed Greek mythology so much?

slim geyser
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they.. havent?

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and shes a fury

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shes like the embodiment of jealousy in the mythology

signal aspen
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theyve changed small parts of greek mythology

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not much

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like they dont have guns in the underworld

slim geyser
#

punishes people and stuff

#

also it would be heracles anyway lmao

#

well we dont know for sure dusa

indigo mason
signal aspen
#

maybe

indigo mason
#

Bruh

indigo mason
slim geyser
#

but yeah the person youre thinking of is megara

#

this is megaera

slim geyser
indigo mason
#

Well I'm Greek so I didn't rly know the difference in the English pronunciation. I just thought Herucles is Herucles

turbid notch
#

Me: Sweet, I've finally unlocked companions! Those should give me that little edge I need for EM4 Hades!
Me when I get to the fight: Well... 💩

#

(Though to be fair it was probably not the time to take the freshly-unlocked Aspect of Lucifer)

mint coral
#

what companion did you get?

turbid notch
#

Dusa

mint coral
#

gotta need permission from dad first then

turbid notch
#

Yeah that was the unpleasant surprise

icy knoll
#

you're trying to fight em4 without your things maxed
ouchies

mint coral
#

i did em4 fine before having permission to use summons vs him lol

icy knoll
#

did em4 once with max rama bow and was too afraid to do it again for so long

#

he's just so strong

mint coral
#

em4 fun till he brings up the triple sneak/B.ball

#

then is pain

merry root
#

I always forget I have companions until after I complete the run

#

"Alright this time I'll definitely use the companion!"

#

forgets again

heavy sigil
#

i always dont remember to use companion until i reach heros

mint coral
#

just speedrun for a while and it kinda became second nature

slim geyser
#

yeah

heavy sigil
#

where do u even use it

slim geyser
#

mini bosses, champions, hades

heavy sigil
#

oh yeah i also always use it for the mini boss where its the face and the crusher thingy

slim geyser
#

usually you use it on the mini bosses for each region then the other two bosses after that

#

if you have extra you could use it on styx bosses too

patent mesa
#

tbh I don't relate to forgetting companions at all

#

never really have, they're too crucial tbh

mint coral
#

dusa can also help in Erebus gates a lot

green lion
#

what boons should i go for using a sword

dull dew
#

how do you romance meg

#

i got to her bossfight and she wasnt there, one of her sisters were

latent moon
latent moon
#

beating asterius and theseus

dull dew
#

i did that once

latent moon
#

then you should've gotten a bottle of ambrosia

dull dew
#

theyre the guys in the 3rd area right? minotaur and the other guy

latent moon
#

yes

slim geyser
#

you dont have to reach the credits

latent moon
#

first clear then?

slim geyser
#

not really

dull dew
#

then?

slim geyser
#

just give her a ton of nectar in the lounge until its maxed out and eventually a dialogue option will pop up and you can give her ambrosia

#

the clear count doesnt matter for maxing out bonds with characters (except mom and dad)

#

i actually had her companion on my second clear

latent moon
#

i thought that dialogue option showed up only after credits but guess not

slim geyser
#

nope

dull dew
#

shes in the lounge? where

slim geyser
#

sometimes after you beat her she shows up in the lounge

latent moon
#

she'll just show up there sometimes

#

just check for her every time you die

slim geyser
#

she wont show up unless you made it out of Tartarus (aka beating her or her sisters) first though

warm nimbus
#

darren korb has a beautiful singing voice

slim geyser
#

fr

umbral parrot
#

I dont have it

#

I have 100+ runs

#

Now

#

I havent gotten any companions

amber bluff
#

hades good

patent mesa
amber bluff
#

true

#

lost a streak to that

zealous granite
#

can you still get aphro favour if you decided just to be friends with than?

lyric hatch
#

Heyo

#

Most of the time, I die at Megaera

strong ridge
#

acorn b4 dodge or dodge b4 acorn

indigo mason
#

Oof managed to reach hydra for the 1st time and almost slained her

#

It's a her right?

#

I'm making program alright. But tbh I feel bad that I'm burning out the game cause I'll end up finishing it quickly. Not that it's ez ofc but ye u get I believe

paper owl
#

what's the easiest heat conditions

#

i just unlocked pact of punishment

gray apex
#

Later on LC4+SD / EM3 / TD3 / FO2 or HL5 or both depending on your goals etc

paper owl
gray apex
#

It's just gonna be a few patterns to watch our for from the other sister(s)

#

But it's the same thing so yea

#

Pretty easy still

paper owl
#

what aspects should I get? I only have nemesis rn, but i've cleared with it

gray apex
#

Eris Hestia Demeter Zeus Shield Achilles are all top tier aspects

#

And if you have Hidden ones too then the Bow and Shield are very strong

paper owl
#

what's the best sword

icy knoll
#

arthur is the easiest, nemesis is the best

paper owl
#

i'm guessing nemesis is kinda difficult to use then

#

i kinda like it tho

gray apex
#

It's hard yea

paper owl
#

special and dash strike combo just kinda feels good

gray apex
#

Takes practice and precision

icy knoll
#

all the swords are pretty bad tho lol

paper owl
#

i like sword tho

gray apex
#

They're not really no

#

That's not accurate

icy knoll
#

play what you enjoy, that's the most important part

#

(play gilgamesh)

paper owl
#

should I upgrade aspect of nemesis or buy more aspects

raw herald
#

Do you like nemesis

#

And do you like the look of other aspects?

#

Titan blood will come

paper owl
#

i like nemesis

#

i think i'll upgrade it one level

pale barn
#

Well, i got further in my 0 damage challenge. This time to the Minotaur mini boss in Elysium

#

One day i will beat the game like this XD

umbral parrot
#

Which duo boons do i go for hera?

#

I have crush shot

gray apex
#

Only one you could potentially want is Mirage shot but you rarely force it

#

You don't really need Duos on hera

umbral parrot
#

I just got mirage shot

#

Lets see if i insta phase lernie!

#

I diddd!!!

livid quest
#

is it possible to use the codex menu mod to test out aspects that are not unlocked and without having titan blood?

umbral parrot
#

Flurry shot is just too easy

#

I maxed bonds with orpheus!

frigid totem
#

Does Aspect of Arthur still do dash-thrust damage? 🤔

#

Or does it count is as another type of damage source? I'm not sure it's getting damage increased by hunter dash and other similar boons.

gray apex
#

Yes

#

All aspects have dash strikes except Lucifer

paper owl
#

theseus is the most annoying enemy

short glen
#

Yes

paper owl
#

both to fight and to interact with

short glen
#

Yes

paper owl
#

Blocked, Blocked, Blocked, Blocked

short glen
#

Second most annoying is shield guys

#

For the same reason

paper owl
#

honestly theseus is only more annoying because he's a boss and his narcissism

#

just give me like a super roided up asterius to fight

#

at least sometimes

chrome yoke
#

I like Theseus

#

But only because he and asterius are dating

warm nimbus
#

what keepsake should you run in asphodel if you dont need to force a god for anything? playing rama

#

sigil, i guess? idk

chrome yoke
#

whichever one you like

signal aspen
#

what boons do you have

gray apex
warm nimbus
#

yes

#

i mean i guess i could do poseidon for styx shredder

signal aspen
#

coin purse kinda good

patent mesa
#

pom is worth... 3 slices maybe? idk

umbral parrot
#

The way he gets sad and all

icy knoll
paper owl
paper owl
#

I do not like theseus because he is annoying to kill

heavy sigil
#

lmfao based

signal aspen
#

heroes fight fastest boss fight tho

pale barn
#

The only time i got close to that time was with the Hazard Bomb upgrade for the Rail

icy knoll
#

evreyone loves beowulf

#

try cluster bomb+rocket bomb if you get it

signal aspen
#

||real gamer afterall||

patent mesa
#

flood flare gang

pale barn
#

ive abandoned all my endgame activities cause im so fixated on getting this perfect 0 damage escape attempt

#

its draining my soul

patent mesa
#

all the homies hate trippy flare

signal aspen
#

trippy flare good tho

heady quiver
#

i cant find achilles in the palace

#

help meh

gray apex
#

I like Trippy but it's a pain to get going

paper owl
#

what weapon should I try out

umbral parrot
#

Mike apparently had 6 casts and mirage shot with lvl 8 flood flare and meg companion?

#

Thats a lot of stuff

#

I havent gotten to insta phase them both at the same time, yet

signal aspen
#

he was also cheating

umbral parrot
#

I insta phased the fury sisters and lernie, though!

#

Im getting there

gray apex
#

That's good

patent mesa
#

wait why SD

#

I assumed that would be worse for HC

gray apex
#

Worse if you get hit

signal aspen
#

sd for faster resets unmodded

patent mesa
#

oh wait that's unmodded

#

wild

pale barn
#

the special killed everything xd

icy knoll
#

also is there a way to edit the reset combo

#

i can't do it on this keyboard

gray apex
#

Just change your binds

#

So instead of having 4 buttons on keyboard have 3 and put 1 on your mouse

#

Also make sure you have it turned on

#

It's not on by default

icy knoll
#

i'll try that

merry root
signal aspen
devout terrace
#

amir ite

gray apex
devout terrace
#

@ amiracleresidentzag

tidal raft
#

is spear the best weapon

gray apex
#

There is no best

tidal raft
#

im having a hard time choosing 1 thats best for me

#

each has a weakness

gray apex
#

Just try each of them in a couple of runs with different builds etc you'll figure something out

#

You dont have to main a certain aspect

tidal raft
#

im lking shield, spear i transfer between them, but seeing alot of people like the gloves

tidal raft
#

the boons i choose?

gray apex
#

Yes

tidal raft
#

lol i would randmly choose

gray apex
#

It's good to lean synergies and what works best for each weapon

tidal raft
#

ah ill try that then hydra is a beast

#

hard to get past it

vale ocean
#

I honestly like every weapon equally

#

Except for gun

#

I don't like the gun

spare tartan
#

The gun is not fun fr

reef zodiac
#

I strongly disagree

#

Rail is probably my favorite weapon in the game

#

Up there with shield

spare tartan
#

Mine is the spear

reef zodiac
#

Eris and Hestia are both extremely good and play in completely different ways

vale ocean
#

I'm not the biggest fan of the spear but I still like it

reef zodiac
#

I only like spear with specific hammers

vale ocean
#

Its just the spear throw that ruins the weapon for me

reef zodiac
#

then don’t use that attack?

vale ocean
#

But because that attack exists it makes you get more useless boons

#

One time I got 3 hammer upgrades that only affected the spear throw in 1 run

reef zodiac
#

Spear is fun for me but only when I get the exact hammer I want

#

Zag and Hades it’s Exploding Launcher
Achilles it’s Flurry Jab
Guan Yu it’s Charged Skewer

#

Achilles is also strong with cast builds but not enough for the types of challenges that I go for

patent mesa
#

I think zag still sucks with exploding launcher

reef zodiac
#

Ok but you’re wrong

patent mesa
#

not enough damage, you need both that and charged skewer to make it work

reef zodiac
#

Maybe for speedrunning or very high heat

vale ocean
#

Rail probably has the most interesting hammer effects but without those effects rail is sooo boring

reef zodiac
#

How

#

You ever played Hestia or Eris?

patent mesa
#

for 32 heat I couldn't make TD3 consistently with just exploding launcher

vale ocean
#

I don't like hestia that much and eris is cool I guess

reef zodiac
gray apex
patent mesa
#

yeah true

gray apex
#

32 heat isnt the difficult lands yet

reef zodiac
patent mesa
#

but the special does like 200 damage with exploding which isn't really enough imo

#

compared to hestia

reef zodiac
#

It’s 50 base

patent mesa
#

or guan yu charged skewer

reef zodiac
#

But it’s way faster

#

Than GY

#

Still obviously way worse than Hestia but that’s not a fair comparison because Hestia sets the bar too high

vale ocean
#

Also I don't get poseidon aspect of sword like ??? Why would I grab an aspect that gets rid of the 50% damage to enemies with a cast in them

patent mesa
#

lol I guess I'm too biased by hestia

reef zodiac
#

Imagine for a second that your cast is doing a lot of damage

patent mesa
#

and then you don't use boiling blood damage almost at all

reef zodiac
#

You throw 3 phalanx shots at a boss, hit them for 700, then special to get them back and do it again

vale ocean
#

Oh yea I forgot there are a couple good casts

reef zodiac
#

Bruh

patent mesa
#

in fact poseidon is only aspect I use abyssal

vale ocean
#

I forgot about hunting blades

reef zodiac
#

What

#

Why would you

patent mesa
#

oh no you don't want hunting blades on poseidon

vale ocean
#

Wait nvm it doesn't work with hunting blades

#

I also forgot

reef zodiac
#

The whole point of Poseidon is that it dislodges any lodging casts

vale ocean
#

I just don't like casts usually

reef zodiac
#

Phalanx Shot Poseidon is actually really fun

patent mesa
#

I mean you can run blades/beams/ice wine on poseidon I guess

reef zodiac
#

It would be bad though

patent mesa
#

it would be strictly worse than achilles but

reef zodiac
#

Way less damage

#

And less movement

patent mesa
#

yeah

reef zodiac
#

And worse moveset

patent mesa
#

hammers are almost all jokes

slim geyser
#

pos sword good

reef zodiac
#

Pos sword is pretty decent, yeah

#

It’s nice if you want to do something with sword but don’t want to play sword

patent mesa
#

that's the main thing I like about it tbh, you can kinda ignore hammers

vale ocean
#

I for some reason when I played hades for the first time I didn't like bow like what was I thinking

patent mesa
#

only one I go for is the bigger special one

reef zodiac
#

You probably weren’t dash striking

slim geyser
#

i liked chiron (ew)

chrome yoke
#

I have 100 hours on Hades and i still hate the bow

slim geyser
#

now im team rama

chrome yoke
#

impossible to use for me

reef zodiac
slim geyser
#

talos fun

reef zodiac
#

I now despise both of those aspects

#

Talos is my least favorite aspect in the game I think

patent mesa
#

talos has got to be the biggest noobtrap aspect

fresh steppe
#

Really?

reef zodiac
#

Probably

vale ocean
#

What is chiron I forgot

patent mesa
#

I think it's awful

#

not sure if it's worse than gilgamesh

reef zodiac
#

I also still do not understand why so so many people gravitate towards Chiron but so few gravitate towards Hestia

#

Even though Hestia is just much more damage and much safer

patent mesa
#

chiron just has a really low skill floor

reef zodiac
#

Yeah true

patent mesa
#

and it's consistent if low dps

vale ocean
#

Oh wait is chiron the cast bow

reef zodiac
#

But Hestia can clear up to 20+ heat by just pressing reload and attack

#

And one-shotting everything

vale ocean
#

I'm at a restaurant rn I cant check

patent mesa
#

it's naturally harder to use because it requires cast management

slim geyser
reef zodiac
#

And every single animation can be canceled into a dash

patent mesa
#

oh wait hestia lol

#

hera vs hestia smh

#

yeah idk why people like chiron over hestia

reef zodiac
patent mesa
#

guess it's just people picking up zag gun and hating it

#

that's my guess

reef zodiac
#

Possibly

#

Zag rail is super boring without some good hammers

patent mesa
#

I tried it with that spread fire hammer

#

it was okay

reef zodiac
#

Spread Fire Zag is so fun

#

I got all my early speedrun pbs with SF Zag

vale ocean
#

Oh I googled it chiron is mediocre imo

patent mesa
#

on the other hand it was one of my first few 32s before I knew how to play bow

#

since it's very safe with FO1

chrome yoke
#

Talos are the fists right

#

what do they do

#

cant check rn

patent mesa
#

special pulls in enemies

#

then you gain attack and cast +% on pulled in enemies

chrome yoke
#

Doesnt sound that bad

patent mesa
#

it just doesn't compare at all to demeter I think

vale ocean
#

It hardly does anything

reef zodiac
#

Ok I know this is a hot take but I prefer lvl0 Zag fists over Talos

#

The delay on the special is so egregious

patent mesa
#

lmao that's a scorching take

#

and I can't disagree

reef zodiac
#

Dash strikes are no longer a fast option to hit breakpoints

patent mesa
#

go post that on the sub and get crucified

#

"but poseidon flourish talos!!!"

mint coral
#

Yoyo talos is fun tho

icy knoll
mint coral
#

till you reach a boss

mint coral
reef zodiac
#

Yeah low level Chiron also sucks

icy knoll
#

with chiron, you're always marking opponents and can get a good hangover build going even at level 1
with hestia it needs to be at least level 3 for it to be that much different from just zag rail

patent mesa
#

it's much better relatively than hestia though to be fair

vale ocean
#

Talos is alright imo I think gilgamesh is worse

reef zodiac
#

They’re both extraordinarily bad

patent mesa
#

lvl1 hestia is 3x weaker (?), lvl1 chiron is less than 2x weaker due to hangover and that special hammer

reef zodiac
#

Fists really got screwed in this game lmao

#

They’re so incredibly bad

patent mesa
#

facts

#

too unsafe

icy knoll
#

if you could fix fists what would you do

patent mesa
#

split the difference with long reach hammer

vale ocean
#

I used to like fists for some reason???

reef zodiac
icy knoll
reef zodiac
#

Because they’re both unsafe and also do very low damage

mint coral
vale ocean
#

Still more fun than rail

patent mesa
#

well they're like the highest dps weapon with no boons right?

icy knoll
#

rama?

reef zodiac
#

Definitely definitely not

patent mesa
#

first time I used fists I was the same way, wow look at how much dps it has

icy knoll
#

any of the bows?

patent mesa
#

oh I mean like lvl0 zag aspect

reef zodiac
#

Fists might be the lowest dps weapon with no boons

icy knoll
#

arthur gets decent dps and it's arthur

reef zodiac
#

Maybe zag rail is lower

icy knoll
patent mesa
#

true, but zag bow requires dash striking hence being lower dps for a new player

vale ocean
#

Guys who gives the secret phrase for shield its the one I don't have

reef zodiac
#

Zag bow, zag shield, even zag spear and sword do more dps than fists

mint coral
#

Also is not like comparing aspects at 0 boons is worth

icy knoll
#

secret shield is so much fun, you'll love it

patent mesa
#

I guess my point is that zag fists have high dps if you're using all the weapons poorly

patent mesa
#

hence new players tend to fixate on them

mint coral
#

BeOwOlf my beloved

vale ocean
patent mesa
#

idk it was true for me at the very beginning

icy knoll
#

fists should have concentrated knuckle built in

patent mesa
#

I quickly learned to drop fists from talking to others

reef zodiac
#

Fists should be replaced with a more interesting weapon idea

icy knoll
#

that + more range would probably make them more fun

patent mesa
#

but you get my point

reef zodiac
#

Like a scythe or a hammer or something

icy knoll
#

flamethrower would be so cool

vale ocean
#

What are you guys' opinion on the rama special

chrome yoke
#

I was fighting asterius today and the first thing i thought was ''i wish we could wield his axe''

#

there should def be more weapons

icy knoll
chrome yoke
#

will there ever be a dlc?

patent mesa
#

yo that would be cool

icy knoll
mint coral
patent mesa
#

kinda like arthur attack but on a base weapon

#

very wide reach

reef zodiac
#

Yeah axe would be sick

#

Replace fists with axe

chrome yoke
#

I agree with that

patent mesa
#

I saw someone before sixth weapon was added hypothesize that it was a torch

#

which sounded interesting

chrome yoke
#

Battleaxe could have an asterius aspect

vale ocean
#

There is an axe decoration too yet no axe weapon

patent mesa
#

aspect of minos gives you some variant of his charge attack

#

hey that would be sick

reef zodiac
#

Minos?

chrome yoke
chrome yoke
reef zodiac
#

Yeah but why Minos

#

He didn’t even fight did he?

#

He was just some king

patent mesa
#

aspect of asterius sounds good too

#

I was just deriving from the name bull of minos

reef zodiac
#

Minos was a king and he basically enslaved Asterius

patent mesa
#

oh man if that was hidden aspect and he gave you awakening phrase

#

so cool

chrome yoke
#

What mythology would the hidden aspect be based off

reef zodiac
#

It bothers me when people say Minos instead of Asterius

patent mesa
#

gotcha

#

forgot minos was a character in myth too

chrome yoke
#

A lot of people have similar names lol

icy knoll
patent mesa
#

I forgot, is norse mythology represented in hidden aspects

#

don't think so right

icy knoll
#

no

patent mesa
#

although I know nothing about norse myth, is there a famous axe from there?

chrome yoke
#

but apparently not

patent mesa
#

tbh I do really love the gilgamesh "storyline" with asterius

chrome yoke
#

If there was a Warhammer the hidden aspect could be Thor's aspect

patent mesa
#

his parallel to enkidu and the dialogue with him and theseus when you bring gilgamesh to them

chrome yoke
#

and a daedalus aspect

reef zodiac
reef zodiac
chrome yoke
#

That would be funny

patent mesa
#

new weapon is daedalus hammer, picking up extra daedalus hammers just adds a hammer to your attacks

#

so each one is +100% base damage

chrome yoke
#

Byeah adding a Warhammer and Battleaxe to hades would be cool

#

they missed out on adding more unique weapons imo

patent mesa
#

and fixing fists lol

#

but yeah I think the first thing I'd do to try and fix fists is to give them half the range that long reach gives

vale ocean
#

Hades is so dumb he should just make elysium the first floor

mint coral
#

I mean i wouldnt throw "the best people" at the bottom of the underworld

vale ocean
#

Hades is so dumb he should be the first boss

vague mesa
#

Hades is so dumb just spawn camp zagurus

terse pendant
#

let us fight ceberus

#

hate that dog

vale ocean
#

Hades should just make than the final boss so zag doesn't wanna fight him

#

Hades should make skelly the final boss because you could never beat him he would just respawn

terse pendant
#

that isnt a fight anymore

latent moon
#

didn't skelly say that he can't physically move or something

#

so you could just walk right out of that fight lol

icy knoll
#

wait a sec
hades isn't big enough to fit through that door outside
why doesn't zag just walk out there

latent moon
#

maybe the door is bigger than it looks

icy knoll
#

even if hades could fit there, what's stopping zag from just running out and meeting persephone with hades behind him

vale ocean
#

why does hades even have that door if he doesnt ever leave

slim geyser
slim geyser
#

also than is literal death so

terse pendant
#

thanatos is edgyness incarnate

#

blade rifts are death incarnate

slim geyser
#

blade rifts kinda bad

#

at least without hunting blades

vale ocean
#

now that i think about it hades can force than to just immediatly kill zag

terse pendant
terse pendant
#

what father would do that

chrome yoke
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Hades fights his own son to the death at the end of every single run

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safe to say he would do that

mint coral
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I mean Than can just ignore him

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Not like hades work depends on Than more than anyone

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(or nyx just says no lol)

vale ocean
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Let's gooo i got triple bomb on aspect of lucifer

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Let's gooo i am able to give than ambrosia now

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Let's not gooo I lost my death defiance to extreme measures hydra bc this is my first time fighting them like this

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Lets goo I beat charon

merry root
vale ocean
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I got all my dd back but I lost them again by the end of elysium

slim geyser
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early pat?

vale ocean
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Yea

patent widget
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Does anyone know why asterius is not saying the line so I can unlock the hidden aspect for the fists? I encountered him alone at least 4-5 times and he hasn’t said anything about them

mint coral
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Rng whetever he talks about the fists and then rng if he says the phrase

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Ofc also need to invest the titan blood for the phrase too

patent widget
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Yea I invested at least 6 into them, I guess I’ll just have to keep going until I get it

chrome yoke
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managed to buy some blood

patent widget
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Nice

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After my gemstone farming I should start farming titan blood

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So I can upgrade my main aspects

vale ocean
merry root
vale ocean
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With 2 dd to spare

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And I got a bass for my efforts

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Oh and it was my 20th win i think

terse pendant
indigo mason
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So the physical version of hades contains a character compendium and it has sm sick art with the hades cast. But I bought the digital version ._.

fresh steppe
vale ocean
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Does nourished soul affect guan yu

restive trout
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Yes, and god bless if you find it

vale ocean
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I just did so gg

signal aspen
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lmao no it doesnt

restive trout
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All regenerative effects. Pools, health purchases, in-between room regen, even the hammer effect for fists to regen at special kill

vale ocean
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I googled it and it says it does so its 2-1

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Wait no it doesnt

signal aspen
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yeah

vale ocean
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Everything still heals 1

signal aspen
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it doesnt affect lifesteal

vale ocean
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32% of 1 isn't enough to make it round up

vale ocean
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I won with 10 health on my last death defiance I am sweating bullets here

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Shout out to skelly who saved me several times

little mountain
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Hello, quick question:

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Can i still romance a character after i say that i want to stay freinds with them?

mint coral
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Nope

vale ocean
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I got mort!!!!

vale ocean
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I am having awful luck this run

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Aspect of poseidon and I have only gotten ONE boon that isn't from dionysis or ares

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And the 1 boon wasn't even a cast

green lion
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btw how many people can u romance i only know that u can romance meg

late ocean
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Personally don’t consider cast that major

slim geyser
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not reallt its pretty great

late ocean
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I mean don’t get me wrong it’s part of the regular rotation but I usually boon the cast last