#h1-discussion
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wait rly?
i was doing dashstrike-bullrush as my main attack combo
lol same
also is pulv blow good
time to rethink my life
You can still do that, it’ll give mobility but you’ll output way more attacks doing standing strikes
It’s pretty decent yeah
neat
I picked up poseidon dash, is that meta for zag shield?
Ehh
Pretty much
huh
Zag shield is a 1 boon and done build
time to do zag shield 40 then
Divine dash is by far the best lol
Blinding flash is alright
Smoldering air op
That’s aboht it
muscle memory of dash strike charge inflicted by beo is gonna be hard to shake
maybe for 40 I'll do aphro -> zeus then
whats that one boon?
Aphro attack epic level 16
lmao
actually ares is best attack boon according to reddit
Reddit 
or do they fetishize ares special on shield
Hades subreddit sucks
I forgot
Yes
every subreddit about a game is questionable in terms of skill
I saw a DF vs OF poll on there the other day and it was like 55 45
truly distressing
what does those 2 mean
I got downvoted for saying that zag fists and sword were the worst zag aspects in the game for speedrunning
And heat
“I got a really cool sword build and escaped but I’ve never escaped with the bow”
Sword op then
"fists are the best weapon because they were my first clear and now I beat hades a quarter of the time with exclusively zag fists plume"
Wait actually?
Yeah just realised 2.3 minutes ago
I've been noticing the actual gameplay content on there is kinda horrific
there's this pervasive addiction to the most highroll builds in existence to the extent that consistency is almost nonexistent in discussion
What is “flood flare”? I only know “trippy flare”
Aren't they in love with pstatus
yeah I died in asphodel after not getting any chaos bloodstones but 20 runs ago I got 5 stygian casts so trippy flare op
yep, something about the sound it makes?
idk it's kinda absurd
not as bad as btd6 reddit
lol
gun discussion on the subreddit is relegated to haha funny super soaker and recommending clockets for 32 heat
which is sad imo
Eris clockets is the speedrun meta right???
It’s certainly the eris meta
So is frost flourish no dash
Apparently
the other thing I hate is the obsession over trash keepsakes
namely butterfly plume and blossom
if i get rd on zag shield does dashstrike-rush become better dps
you ask what's best keepsake for styx and majority respond with blossom which is pure insanity
Maybe
Rd isn’t gonna do a ton for your attack
Assuming it’s a high rarity aphro
But it’ll really help your call
yeah so depends on how much flat damage you have right
Basically
This is so f scripted
Dude im at the last boss
And i cant dodge his spin
And on top of that my 15% dodge chance form boons did not even trigger once!!!
Wtf
dash away from it
dash through him without attacking
yeah dash attacking removes i frames
you have i frames
so yeah dash towards him and dont attack
also none of the fights are scripted? lmao
Dude
Hold auto click boons thing
+30% atk speed
Whit like over200% buff dmg
Also soom boons are really not wort it
Like crit boons
How u want todo crit?
If it give barely any crit chance
Scripted 
no hades fights are scripted, each time you get there nothing changes other than the enemies it spawns during it's first phase
Ye sure other wise ppl would just zoom into the story .-.
wdym
.-.?
i dont know what you're trying to say
If you finish the game over and over
You will just skipping the story
Because there actually some of them that you have to die
To progress toward the story
well the dialogue would probably come up eventually, even after you complete a run
to trigger story dialogue the only requirement is probably just for an end to run, win or loss
I mean like .-.
I just skip some of the story cuz
I was supossed to win but i did not
So next time i got to the last boss i was like
Tf they talk about?
well that's what happens when you skip the dialogue lmao
I did not
I was actually suposed to win there
Like lets say you win you first first run
You meet u mother butttt
U dont even know it u mother
So the story is completly upside down
i mean you'll figure it out eventually through dialogue back at the house
it's not like you'll never figure it out
also during that dialogue with his mother she'll probably mention something about zag being her son
i mean either way, none of the runs are scripted in the game and any deaths are at the fault of the player, not because the game doesnt want you to win
the only scripted ones are the first few runs, but not because they make you lose, but because they force you to pick up certain gods at the start
like the first one is always athena, the second is always zeus i believe, and then with poseidon the game makes you take legendary catch
Haven't even processed this yet. Maybe I'll update this description in a couple days when it feels real.
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0:00 Tarta...
literally not scripted
just harder
Eudt ou bbye hd f hm fzlic khrxidtg'gg
P cgg
Dude
Im just getting the freaking same scenario
Over n over
Just cuz i cant pass it
Fj je fkfkd'k'llg Mrrff hmk kr xd kfxjk des slodldkskskmfuldkirfp
The worst i have like so much op stuff
And i cant pass it cus he hurt like a freaking truc
Whitout even a debuff on me
AND I HAVE MY 3life
What
I need 10,910 more gemstones and my house of hades is complete 
So it would seem using Charm against Thesus the moment he goes into "God Mode" causes him to just attack himself. Was a good chunk of damage there.
shoud i trade 1 ambrosia for 500 darkness?
Probably isn't the worst trade, I'm practically swimming in the stuff.
i only have 1 tho and im probs not killing theseus with anything else any time soon
also should i go stubborn defiance or death defiance?
To be fair you won't have a use for it until you knock out a lot of nectar, so in your early state I'd take that trade.
alr
When you first start out, stubborn can be more useful as you get more accustomed to the game's combat/boon system.
Since it gives you a 30% health bar every chamber vs. 50% three times per escape attempt.
Even then if you end up with less than 30% health and the stubborn defiance is there, trap yourself to "death" and come back with more health.
aalr
i think most people recommend using dd until high heat bc most of your deaths are going to be in bosses
But once you get comfortable with the game and load enough into the mirror, you'll likely switch back as having 50% is more useful, especially if you get a really messy room.
Running with the assumption this fellow doesn't have nearly enough darkness to max it yet.
like sd being a safety net in every room doesnt help if you die to champions all the time because you take too much damage from them
i mean yeah but its still better then stubborn ¯_(ツ)_/¯
oh man i finally beat hades at run 37, feel so stupid bc i didn't discover weapon aspects OR calls until run 30
so now i feel better about not beating it faster lol, calls help so much it's insane
I think I was around the 30s when I first broke out.
also this is my first actual proper combat game of any kind besides genshin so all in all, didn't do too bad
gg
If you like this, might I suggest Bastion sometime then? Same developer, fun for me.
I’m probably just gonna keep farming until I reach that amount
transistor is next on my list but i'll add bastion too!
Maybe I’ll even get the prompt for the epilogue
Charged Shot + Lightning Rod + Beowulf. OH BABY.
honestly what i love about this game is that the attacks are so well telegraphed, like it feels really balanced and fair
it makes it easy to get better
Just wait until the Pact of Punishment comes into play.
I just finished a FO2 run and disagree with attacks being well telegraphed lol
i just did another successful run with tight deadline 9 mins but just looking at all the heat options makes me anxious lmfao
speeder FO2 longspears are on some serious bs lmao
swear their attacks come out frame 1
a lot of them arent bad. you can reasonably get up to 20 heat without it starting to pressure you very much
I'd say one of them at the very least is more a benefit to you than it is a difficulty addition. (Jury Duty)
do you mean jury summons? because i would disagree with that
just makes rooms way slower
Kills give coin. More things to kill is more coin.
jury summons sucks
its like not bad enough to avoid at higher heats, but it sucks a lot
yeah its also just a pain
uh no
its worse then CP just bc u never use CP unless ur doing some crackhead run
also lightning rod is really bad with beowulf
hidden mechanic of lightning rod is that it makes your casts harder to pick up
so it literally nerfs you
plus u should be cycling ur casts 247 with beowulf so leaving ur casts to do mid dmg isnt rlly helping
rod :(
Yeah. Following up on my previous statement, first escape was 35.
Well Rod ain’t too bad for CShot Beo
If you have jolted or double strike
But it’s definitely not great
Rod, is the one that makes bloodstones that havent been picked up, do damage right?
Yeah
I only really pick it up if it’s like, given to me and I want a bit of extras damage ig
Then, wouldnt it be kind of weird on Beowulf?
Yes

Lightning rod also makes your casts harder to pick up
It’s pretty good on non-cast centered aspects
Especially with more Zeus boons
eris plus ROD 
Im trying to learn doing a perfect run, (0 damage)
I always make it to late asphodel where i run into lava or something xd
or mess something up during the second phase of lernie
It's not that easy
What weapon aspect are you playing
Hestia is a very strong option, strongest arguably
That's gonna be difficult yea
Special locks you in place for quite a bit and your damage is strictly single target
Not if you get the hammer upgrade
Special pierces and 400% to armor
then you gotta line up with the last guy being targeted 😄
ill try hestia
its just a single shot that empowers?
Yes
That hammer doesnt really help with aoe
In fact it lowers your range lol
Hello is a co op mod or multiplayer mod available for hades ?
You should ask in the Modding Server pinned in #self-promotion, I remember there is one that's still in the works, but not much aside from that
Okay thanks for answering
@gray apex What is the strat with the aspect of hestia? Just shoot-reload-shoot-reload?
As if it was a bolt action rifle or something?
Well there is more depth to the aspect, especially if you have Tidal Dash, which you should, you use your dash to deal damage to enemies aswell as cancel those reload animations because they're too long, you also use your Special every other shot while also cancelling the reload animation, even better if you have Rocket Bomb
is there any tip or tricks on how to make the bull trigger his line to unlock the hidden aspect of the Twin Fists ?
I have all the other hidden but he keeps dodging those lines for me
I always aim to go to chamber with the skull icon but whenever he shows up, he never talks about the fists lol. I always keep extreme measures on elysium on but that also doesn't help much
Do you have fists equipped
yeah
I'm fairly new to the game. I just got the epilogue, so I know there may be still story lines that have priority and need to come first, but still I have done 13 fist runs today and it's quite exhausting trying to trigger it lol
he mentioned about the twin fists once, but according to guides you need him to mention about it a second time and I'm begging him to say the line but he always talks about Theseus haha
yeah you need him to talk about fists twice, but it's rng based if you have other dialogue in the pool
There is only 1 mention of the fists needed tho? 
After he talks about the fists he can mention the phrase once you invest the titam blood needed
talk to him about fists twice to unlock it, one to set it up, and a second for the waking phrase
Should I die if I get Poseidon in tartarus? Farming gemstones currently
Not as the first boon but in a chamber
poseidon gives you ocean's bounty so no
Why
poseidon is the best god for farming because ocean's bounty and sunken treasure
have you used all your ambrosia already?
eh, i'd say worth
wretched broker deals are always either god tier or "give 1 titan blood for 20 keys" level bad
1 titan blood for 20 keys doesnt sound bad 
it only depends on what youre looking for atm
final chamber before hades
do i choose epic premium vintage or epic positive outlook
I vote vintage
technically depends on how many dds you have I guess
just did the math vintage gives me slightly more hp
prob always worth, at the time when u need ambrosia, its extremely farmable
and u passively gain it even when u dont need it
unless u have like 100k darkness, but at the point u dont need either
But in Tartarus? He’s probably gonna give you his attack, dash, cast, or special. Meaning you will have a less chance of getting oceans bounty or sunken treasure
no?
that just gives you poseidon in your pool
heh
a million more chances to get ocean's bounty, without requiring you to use poseidon keepsake in aspho or get really lucky in tart
what is this line of thinking
How to unlock contractor theme ?
It is not appearing on my new save
You have to buy all upgrades in the Work Orders tab
For most themes I think atleast
You know, dash at cursor might help with my biggest problem where I dash into walls and lava all the time
is that a thing
I think I saw something like that
I mean ig it depends on you but personally I'm not very focused on my cursor at all so I can not use it for movement
i play kbm and my game seems to not want to work when i want to dash S+D
left down i mean
Is your dash on Space
Hmm
I'm not totally sure but some keyboards have problems registering multiple keys being pressed at once
i have to press s and d for a milisecond then let go and dash
if i want to dash in that direction
it might be that idk
kinda old computer
nkey rollover is a thing, it's bad
try putting dash on a mouse button
(nkeyrollover is actually the solution, but nevermind)
yeah or sometines a different key on the keyboard can work
Yea it happens more if the keys are close to each other I think
Not that you should split your movement keys because i think that would be kinda cursed 
hi guys just wanting to check, there’s somewhere we can buy hades vinyl ? or the item doesn’t exist ?
the merch store is temporarily closed but should return this year, you can find it in this link https://store.supergiantgames.com/
oooh tanks ❤️
I have 3 boons. 2 random boons i picked up for no reason, and an epic flood flare.
I pick ambrosia delight from eurydice so my flood flare gets heroic.
The 2 random boons both get upgraded

@gray apex
should i pick slicing flare over flood flare?
Its heroic and i have mirage shot
Slicing Flare is probably the worst cast for the aspect
yeah
It's pretty nice
stop lying mike youre on kbm
But yea hard to control and needs some practice
I'm a flurry shot gamer afterall
Only difference between me and controller players is that my hera pb is 15 minutes
checks out 
Im basically one shotting everything in tartarus 
it appears Hera is just a ranged beowulf without a block 
basically
This weird thing with thanatos showed up..
They talked a bit
And a purple arrow thing showed up
on the heart bar thing

What is that?
something to do with the ability to romance him
poggie
So.. i dont know why but the difficulty was way underwhelming than what i expected
this was very easy for some reason i dont understand
just a gamer
And.. i just got the awakening phase for arthur and gave orpheus an ambrosia
The ambrosia apparently did nothing

So should I just go ahead and buy hades or?
The genre might not be for me ig
That'd be the only reason that gives me second thoughts
Also don't wanna spend money again and end up regretting it :/
i wasnt a big fan of roguelites before hades
Any idea if the game is good on ps4?
its good on all platforms
Oh
Btw I said this bc I bought p5 royale and played for like an HR or 2 and then stopped playing. Also bought a bundle with 3 ac games and didn't rly play much
So ye def don't wanna do it again
i dont know how it works on ps4, but you could play a bit and if you dont like it, refund it
^^
on steam if u have less then 2 hrs, u can refund it
tho i dont think 2 hrs is enough, but its enough for a taste
i enjoyed it very much and i have not played other roguelites before - it also has the god mode feature if youre more interested in the story than the gameplay, or want a more chill experience, or for whatever other reason
uh so... i launched hades today and steam told me the game was updated? there is no news i could find though, and searching discord chat didn't help either. anyone have any idea what's going on?
I don't think I can refund
ahh gotchu. thanks!
I bought it rn btw. It's downloading so I need to figure out what to do for the next 20 min or smth. But ye i hope I'll like it
if there was a significant update though, you would see it in #hades-patch-notes and the steam forums. otherwise its just bugfixes
i hope you like it too! its a really fun game, and dont give up even if its difficult at the start 
i figured even if there was a real update it would be a bugfix but apparently i was just Deceived anyways
no kidding btw! after playing 100+ hours i thought i was ready to give a shot to fresh file runs but boy was i wrong
i have actually never tried clearing fresh file before... still sometimes coming back to my main file to grind completionist stuff
Uh question. Based on Greek mythology Zagreus is supposed to be the son of Zeus. So why is it that in the game he is the son of hades?
Or is the answer to my question a spoiler or smth?
some versions of the myth have zag connected to hades
and the zeus thing is referenced, you'll find out
every run is different, but there's a story that runs through all of them
+156% total in darkness and gemstones, oceans bounty all I need
What are gemstones? Also should I be asking questions here or in the new players channel?
There may be spoilers here so #h1-for-new-players is safer if you want to avoid those
Oh
you can use them go get items from the house contractor (if you don't know who they are worry not, they will show up in house of hades soon)
they are mostly cosmetic, but some have some utilities which i'll let you discover for yourself:)
Ty. So ig spending gold to get sm isn't a bad choice
Well it gives you a very low number. So it’s up to you whether it’s worth it
depends, really. i find it more useful to buy any sort of stat upgrade because you know, rewards for winning are better than gemstones
But no, it’s never a bad choice (when you’re starting out), since you’re buying something that permanently matters outside of that single run
but then again lately i've been buying darkness due to farming reasons so... your choice in the end
also 100% what UnholyPancake said
So there can be bad choices in what u r buying?
nothing really hinders you (unless some edge cases) but some options are better than others
playing more and understanding how things work will make you better at judging whether you need to buy something or not
but if you're starting out, which i'm assuming you are, there is no harm in just trying out stuff. i found the experimentation in the beginning very fun and trying to play "optimally" from your first run just ruins that enjoyment for me
(no hate obviously, just personal preference)
Ye but I can be very picky Abt stuff lol. I'm just starting out indeed bought the game half an ur ago. Tried playing with the bow and I did reach further but I think I prefer the sword at the end. I died bc of a spike trap ._.
It does not matter how many times u die right?
nope!
in fact it's better to die often in the early game both for story and for metaprogression reasons
It’s a endgame player thing to do after you’ve beaten hades at least 5-6 times I think. Don’t start grinding gemstones until you’ve beaten him that amount of times and have unlocked all weapons.
For the house contractor it can be very….”grindy”
But there’s a strat that I found that can get you 600-800 gemstones per run
Btw it’s not something you have to do, don’t feel like your forced to grind out gemstones
Hmm. I won't worry abt gemstones for now ig. I won't be spending them either. Abt the weapons I don't hav the spear. It is a spear right? Also I died twice to Hercules's wife so I'ma try that again
Thats a different Meg
they.. havent?
and shes a fury
shes like the embodiment of jealousy in the mythology
theyve changed small parts of greek mythology
not much
like they dont have guns in the underworld
punishes people and stuff
also it would be heracles anyway lmao
well we dont know for sure 
There r guns in the game?
maybe
Bruh
Wdym?
hercules is the roman name
heracles is the greek one
Well I'm Greek so I didn't rly know the difference in the English pronunciation. I just thought Herucles is Herucles
Me: Sweet, I've finally unlocked companions! Those should give me that little edge I need for EM4 Hades!
Me when I get to the fight: Well... 💩
(Though to be fair it was probably not the time to take the freshly-unlocked Aspect of Lucifer)
what companion did you get?
Dusa
gotta need permission from dad first then
Yeah that was the unpleasant surprise
you're trying to fight em4 without your things maxed
ouchies
i did em4 fine before having permission to use summons vs him lol
did em4 once with max rama bow and was too afraid to do it again for so long
he's just so strong
I always forget I have companions until after I complete the run
"Alright this time I'll definitely use the companion!"
forgets again
i always dont remember to use companion until i reach heros
just speedrun for a while and it kinda became second nature
yeah
where do u even use it
mini bosses, champions, hades
oh yeah i also always use it for the mini boss where its the face and the crusher thingy
usually you use it on the mini bosses for each region then the other two bosses after that
if you have extra you could use it on styx bosses too
tbh I don't relate to forgetting companions at all
never really have, they're too crucial tbh
dusa can also help in Erebus gates a lot
what boons should i go for using a sword
how do you romance meg
i got to her bossfight and she wasnt there, one of her sisters were
once you reach the credits, you have to giver her ambrosia i believe
that's normal
how do i get ambrosia
beating asterius and theseus
i did that once
then you should've gotten a bottle of ambrosia
theyre the guys in the 3rd area right? minotaur and the other guy
yes
no
you dont have to reach the credits
first clear then?
not really
then?
just give her a ton of nectar in the lounge until its maxed out and eventually a dialogue option will pop up and you can give her ambrosia
the clear count doesnt matter for maxing out bonds with characters (except mom and dad)
i actually had her companion on my second clear
i thought that dialogue option showed up only after credits but guess not
nope
shes in the lounge? where
sometimes after you beat her she shows up in the lounge
she wont show up unless you made it out of Tartarus (aka beating her or her sisters) first though
darren korb has a beautiful singing voice
fr

I dont have it
I have 100+ runs
Now
I havent gotten any companions
hades good
hades spear bad
can you still get aphro favour if you decided just to be friends with than?
acorn b4 dodge or dodge b4 acorn
Oof managed to reach hydra for the 1st time and almost slained her
It's a her right?
I'm making program alright. But tbh I feel bad that I'm burning out the game cause I'll end up finishing it quickly. Not that it's ez ofc but ye u get I believe
MM UC TD2-3 EM1-2 BP1-2 are probably the best ones to start learning
Later on LC4+SD / EM3 / TD3 / FO2 or HL5 or both depending on your goals etc
might try em1, might spice up the meg fight a bit seeing as it's kinda free without heat
It's just gonna be a few patterns to watch our for from the other sister(s)
But it's the same thing so yea
Pretty easy still
what aspects should I get? I only have nemesis rn, but i've cleared with it
Just pick whatever sounds fun and give it a go, you can Give up and reload the save if you dont like it and your titan blood would be back
Eris Hestia Demeter Zeus Shield Achilles are all top tier aspects
And if you have Hidden ones too then the Bow and Shield are very strong
what's the best sword
arthur is the easiest, nemesis is the best
It's hard yea
special and dash strike combo just kinda feels good
Takes practice and precision
all the swords are pretty bad tho lol
i like sword tho
should I upgrade aspect of nemesis or buy more aspects
Do you like nemesis
And do you like the look of other aspects?
Titan blood will come
Well, i got further in my 0 damage challenge. This time to the Minotaur mini boss in Elysium
One day i will beat the game like this XD
Only one you could potentially want is Mirage shot but you rarely force it
You don't really need Duos on hera
is it possible to use the codex menu mod to test out aspects that are not unlocked and without having titan blood?
Does Aspect of Arthur still do dash-thrust damage? 🤔
Or does it count is as another type of damage source? I'm not sure it's getting damage increased by hunter dash and other similar boons.
theseus is the most annoying enemy
Yes
both to fight and to interact with
Yes
Blocked, Blocked, Blocked, Blocked
honestly theseus is only more annoying because he's a boss and his narcissism
just give me like a super roided up asterius to fight
at least sometimes
what keepsake should you run in asphodel if you dont need to force a god for anything? playing rama
sigil, i guess? idk
whichever one you like
what boons do you have
Do you have an attack and Hunter Dash
coin purse kinda good
purse is my vote
pom is worth... 3 slices maybe? idk
I wouldnt say that for fighting, but i kinda find him cute 
The way he gets sad and all
if you see ixion in the shop egg can be good for those dashstrike bonuses
never seen that dialogue because I skip it
I could not care less tbh
I do not like theseus because he is annoying to kill
lmfao based
heroes fight fastest boss fight tho
I dont....what?
The only time i got close to that time was with the Hazard Bomb upgrade for the Rail
I'm a gamer what can I say
||real gamer afterall||
flood flare gang
ive abandoned all my endgame activities cause im so fixated on getting this perfect 0 damage escape attempt
its draining my soul
all the homies hate trippy flare
trippy flare good tho
I like Trippy but it's a pain to get going
Pretty rare i think
what weapon should I try out
Mike apparently had 6 casts and mirage shot with lvl 8 flood flare and meg companion?
Thats a lot of stuff
I havent gotten to insta phase them both at the same time, yet

he was also cheating
That's good
Worse if you get hit
sd for faster resets unmodded
Yeah, Hazard bomb upgrade + lots of artemis boons
the special killed everything xd
Just change your binds
So instead of having 4 buttons on keyboard have 3 and put 1 on your mouse
Also make sure you have it turned on
It's not on by default
i'll try that

amir ite

@ amiracle
is spear the best weapon
There is no best
Just try each of them in a couple of runs with different builds etc you'll figure something out
You dont have to main a certain aspect
im lking shield, spear i transfer between them, but seeing alot of people like the gloves
what do u mean by different builds
the boons i choose?
Yes
lol i would randmly choose
It's good to lean synergies and what works best for each weapon
The gun is not fun fr
I strongly disagree
Rail is probably my favorite weapon in the game
Up there with shield
Mine is the spear
Eris and Hestia are both extremely good and play in completely different ways
I'm not the biggest fan of the spear but I still like it
I only like spear with specific hammers
Its just the spear throw that ruins the weapon for me
then don’t use that attack?
But because that attack exists it makes you get more useless boons
One time I got 3 hammer upgrades that only affected the spear throw in 1 run
Spear is fun for me but only when I get the exact hammer I want
Zag and Hades it’s Exploding Launcher
Achilles it’s Flurry Jab
Guan Yu it’s Charged Skewer
Achilles is also strong with cast builds but not enough for the types of challenges that I go for
I think zag still sucks with exploding launcher
not enough damage, you need both that and charged skewer to make it work
Maybe for speedrunning or very high heat
Rail probably has the most interesting hammer effects but without those effects rail is sooo boring
for 32 heat I couldn't make TD3 consistently with just exploding launcher
I don't like hestia that much and eris is cool I guess
You don’t need CSkewer for it to be fine for hitless or <45 heat
That could be mostly on you tbf
yeah true
32 heat isnt the difficult lands yet
Not a fan of sniping enemies for 500 from across the screen with only 3 boons?
but the special does like 200 damage with exploding which isn't really enough imo
compared to hestia
It’s 50 base
or guan yu charged skewer
But it’s way faster
Than GY
Still obviously way worse than Hestia but that’s not a fair comparison because Hestia sets the bar too high
Also I don't get poseidon aspect of sword like ??? Why would I grab an aspect that gets rid of the 50% damage to enemies with a cast in them
lol I guess I'm too biased by hestia
Lmao
Imagine for a second that your cast is doing a lot of damage
basically you use poseidon to get the casts back so you can use them again
and then you don't use boiling blood damage almost at all
You throw 3 phalanx shots at a boss, hit them for 700, then special to get them back and do it again
Oh yea I forgot there are a couple good casts
Bruh
in fact poseidon is only aspect I use abyssal
I forgot about hunting blades
oh no you don't want hunting blades on poseidon
The whole point of Poseidon is that it dislodges any lodging casts
I just don't like casts usually
HB is for Achilles. Phalanx Shot is for Poseidon
Phalanx Shot Poseidon is actually really fun
I mean you can run blades/beams/ice wine on poseidon I guess
It would be bad though
it would be strictly worse than achilles but
yeah
And worse moveset
hammers are almost all jokes
pos sword good
Pos sword is pretty decent, yeah
It’s nice if you want to do something with sword but don’t want to play sword
that's the main thing I like about it tbh, you can kinda ignore hammers
I for some reason when I played hades for the first time I didn't like bow like what was I thinking
only one I go for is the bigger special one
You probably weren’t dash striking
i liked chiron (ew)
I have 100 hours on Hades and i still hate the bow
now im team rama
impossible to use for me
I liked Chiron and Talos LMAO
talos fun
I now despise both of those aspects
Talos is my least favorite aspect in the game I think
talos has got to be the biggest noobtrap aspect
Really?
Probably
What is chiron I forgot
I also still do not understand why so so many people gravitate towards Chiron but so few gravitate towards Hestia
Even though Hestia is just much more damage and much safer
chiron just has a really low skill floor
Yeah true
and it's consistent if low dps
Oh wait is chiron the cast bow
But Hestia can clear up to 20+ heat by just pressing reload and attack
And one-shotting everything
I'm at a restaurant rn I cant check
it's naturally harder to use because it requires cast management
hestia harder to play
is that the rail
And every single animation can be canceled into a dash
Yes
Oh I googled it chiron is mediocre imo
on the other hand it was one of my first few 32s before I knew how to play bow
since it's very safe with FO1
Doesnt sound that bad
it just doesn't compare at all to demeter I think
It hardly does anything
Ok I know this is a hot take but I prefer lvl0 Zag fists over Talos
The delay on the special is so egregious
Dash strikes are no longer a fast option to hit breakpoints
Yoyo talos is fun tho
hestia isn't that good (unique) without high titan blood
till you reach a boss
Chiron isnt that good at low lvl tho 
Yeah low level Chiron also sucks
with chiron, you're always marking opponents and can get a good hangover build going even at level 1
with hestia it needs to be at least level 3 for it to be that much different from just zag rail
it's much better relatively than hestia though to be fair
Talos is alright imo I think gilgamesh is worse
They’re both extraordinarily bad
lvl1 hestia is 3x weaker (?), lvl1 chiron is less than 2x weaker due to hangover and that special hammer
if you could fix fists what would you do
split the difference with long reach hammer
I used to like fists for some reason???
Tbh idk
well you can't deny it's fun punching dad in the face
Because they’re both unsafe and also do very low damage
Everything works casually so 
Still more fun than rail
well they're like the highest dps weapon with no boons right?
rama?
Fists??
Definitely definitely not
first time I used fists I was the same way, wow look at how much dps it has
any of the bows?
oh I mean like lvl0 zag aspect
Fists might be the lowest dps weapon with no boons
arthur gets decent dps and it's arthur
Maybe zag rail is lower
i still think it gets beaten out by zag bow
true, but zag bow requires dash striking hence being lower dps for a new player
Guys who gives the secret phrase for shield its the one I don't have
Zag bow, zag shield, even zag spear and sword do more dps than fists
Also is not like comparing aspects at 0 boons is worth
chaos
secret shield is so much fun, you'll love it
I guess my point is that zag fists have high dps if you're using all the weapons poorly
hence new players tend to fixate on them
BeOwOlf my beloved
Oh that explains why I have it last
I really do not agree though
idk it was true for me at the very beginning
fists should have concentrated knuckle built in
I quickly learned to drop fists from talking to others
Fists should be replaced with a more interesting weapon idea
that + more range would probably make them more fun
but you get my point
Like a scythe or a hammer or something
flamethrower aspect of hephestus
flamethrower would be so cool
What are you guys' opinion on the rama special
I was fighting asterius today and the first thing i thought was ''i wish we could wield his axe''
there should def be more weapons
very good
will there ever be a dlc?
That would be cool
yo that would be cool
no
Nah
I agree with that
I saw someone before sixth weapon was added hypothesize that it was a torch
which sounded interesting
Battleaxe could have an asterius aspect
There is an axe decoration too yet no axe weapon
Minos?
built in poseidon's call 🥴
speculating on battleaxe aspects
Minos was a king and he basically enslaved Asterius
What mythology would the hidden aspect be based off
It bothers me when people say Minos instead of Asterius
Yeah same
A lot of people have similar names lol
arthur
no
although I know nothing about norse myth, is there a famous axe from there?
i thought so
but apparently not
tbh I do really love the gilgamesh "storyline" with asterius
If there was a Warhammer the hidden aspect could be Thor's aspect
his parallel to enkidu and the dialogue with him and theseus when you bring gilgamesh to them
and a daedalus aspect
That would be super cool
Gotta get my Daedalus hammer to buff my Daedalus hammer
That would be funny
new weapon is daedalus hammer, picking up extra daedalus hammers just adds a hammer to your attacks
so each one is +100% base damage
Byeah adding a Warhammer and Battleaxe to hades would be cool
they missed out on adding more unique weapons imo
and fixing fists lol
but yeah I think the first thing I'd do to try and fix fists is to give them half the range that long reach gives
Hades is so dumb he should just make elysium the first floor
I mean i wouldnt throw "the best people" at the bottom of the underworld
Hades is so dumb he should be the first boss
Hades is so dumb just spawn camp zagurus
Hades should just make than the final boss so zag doesn't wanna fight him
Hades should make skelly the final boss because you could never beat him he would just respawn
that isnt a fight anymore
didn't skelly say that he can't physically move or something
so you could just walk right out of that fight lol
wait a sec
hades isn't big enough to fit through that door outside
why doesn't zag just walk out there
maybe the door is bigger than it looks
even if hades could fit there, what's stopping zag from just running out and meeting persephone with hades behind him
why does hades even have that door if he doesnt ever leave
🔫 
he fights meg on the regular
also than is literal death so
now that i think about it hades can force than to just immediatly kill zag
yes only w hunting blades
YOU KNOW THAT IS HIS SON
what father would do that
Hades fights his own son to the death at the end of every single run
safe to say he would do that
I mean Than can just ignore him
Not like hades work depends on Than more than anyone
(or nyx just says no lol)
Let's gooo i got triple bomb on aspect of lucifer
Let's gooo i am able to give than ambrosia now
Let's not gooo I lost my death defiance to extreme measures hydra bc this is my first time fighting them like this
Lets goo I beat charon
Don't leave me in suspense like this, what happened next
I got all my dd back but I lost them again by the end of elysium
early pat?
Yea
Does anyone know why asterius is not saying the line so I can unlock the hidden aspect for the fists? I encountered him alone at least 4-5 times and he hasn’t said anything about them
Rng whetever he talks about the fists and then rng if he says the phrase
Ofc also need to invest the titan blood for the phrase too
Yea I invested at least 6 into them, I guess I’ll just have to keep going until I get it
Nice
After my gemstone farming I should start farming titan blood
So I can upgrade my main aspects
I almost beat hades but I choked

I clapped back this run
With 2 dd to spare
And I got a bass for my efforts
Oh and it was my 20th win i think
by his own hand yes
So the physical version of hades contains a character compendium and it has sm sick art with the hades cast. But I bought the digital version ._.
I mean, it’s not like it’s gonna stick
Does nourished soul affect guan yu
Yes, and god bless if you find it
I just did so gg
lmao no it doesnt
All regenerative effects. Pools, health purchases, in-between room regen, even the hammer effect for fists to regen at special kill
yeah
Everything still heals 1
it doesnt affect lifesteal
32% of 1 isn't enough to make it round up
I won with 10 health on my last death defiance I am sweating bullets here
Shout out to skelly who saved me several times
Hello, quick question:
Can i still romance a character after i say that i want to stay freinds with them?
Nope
I am having awful luck this run
Aspect of poseidon and I have only gotten ONE boon that isn't from dionysis or ares
And the 1 boon wasn't even a cast
btw how many people can u romance i only know that u can romance meg
Personally don’t consider cast that major
not reallt its pretty great
I mean don’t get me wrong it’s part of the regular rotation but I usually boon the cast last








