h1-discussion

[tawdry fossil]

its the only fun hidden aspect to me, the rest feel too slow

[leaden birch]

The only future aspect left for me is

The bow

[tawdry fossil]

just grab every chaos gate early on

[leaden birch]

Haven't gotten it yet

[tawdry fossil]

same

i dont use artemis very often unless I just happen to come across it or im using nemesis sword for some reason

[strong ridge]

i dnt like spear hidden and rail hidden

[pseudo kernel]

does Chaos tell you about it?

[tawdry fossil]

yes

[tawdry fossil]

wait no

sorry

its zeus

[pseudo kernel]

And the Beo

yeah

[tawdry fossil]

im high

[leaden birch]

My favorite sword aspect is arthur

It's cool!!

[pseudo kernel]

arthur is my fav aspect so far

[tawdry fossil]

I unlocked it a few runs ago but havent given it a shot

[pseudo kernel]

just beat my best time with it again

27 minutes

[strong ridge]

yesir

[tawdry fossil]

a bit hesitant because the main reason I dont love sword is how slow it feels(when using the special, it opens up the enemy to a lot of free hits)

and arthur is just slower

[pseudo kernel]

arthur just destroys

[strong ridge]

tidal arthur is honestly a good time

[tawdry fossil]

mostly fine aside from the hades fight, i get hit a lot because I keep cancelling the special with an attack on accident or getting hit

[tawdry fossil]

tidal dash is always great

I use it along with zeus attack on eris rail mostly, very fun

[pseudo kernel]

i wanna see what lucifer is like with doom on it

[strong ridge]

like on the others

[leaden birch]

Idk what that's like but

[tawdry fossil]

i think you would need the doom stacking boon but that could be fun

[leaden birch]

Lucifer's uhhh

...what was it called

Super splasher build?

Oh super soaker

That one is fun

[tawdry fossil]

i love the beam with lucifer, I keep accidentally cancelling it because I'm used to firing a few bullets at a time but really fun

[leaden birch]

I wanna try it with Zeus' attack though

[tawdry fossil]

only downside to lucifer is that the hellfire is a bit too small imo

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah could be very fun

[strong ridge]

use the hellfire as mines

[leaden birch]

There's a hammer upgrade for it

[leaden birch]

Or you can sorta make it detonate on impact if you just

Put Thunder Flourish on

[tawdry fossil]

oh that oneee

i want to try it out

poseidon attack sounds amazing on lucifer

[tawdry fossil]

yeah thats mainly what I do

[leaden birch]

Nah I used Poseidon's attack

But Zeus' flourish

[tawdry fossil]

its just difficult to get them on the enemy

[leaden birch]

I had a pretty wild and fun build hold on

[tawdry fossil]

yeah no thats what i meant

[leaden birch]

Gonna try Zeus strike next time I get Lucifer

Lightning ray

[tawdry fossil]

that probably wouldnt be as great but atleast it would bounce to other enemies

[high island]

Hold Attack, mash Dash, press Special when reloading.

[gray apex]

You can also press dash while reloading

[leaden birch]

Oh right

I forgot it doesn't

[tawdry fossil]

yeah it doesnt strike them

[leaden birch]

Summon lightning bolts but instead makes chain lightning

Yea

[high island]

If you go for a meta build on Eris with Lightning Strike, Static Discharge, and Tidal Dash, things like evading hits are not really factors because you'll just kill everything before you can die if you play hyper-aggressive.

[tawdry fossil]

zeus strike is still useful on other aspects though

[leaden birch]

mhm

oh

[tawdry fossil]

yeah

[leaden birch]

Demeter strike with lucifer

[twin thistle]

zeus is best on lucifer too

[leaden birch]

Freeze ray

[tawdry fossil]

which is why i love eris rail so much

[strong ridge]

comon zeus strike = rail 2x damage

[high island]

Hestia wants a word.

[twin thistle]

poseidon attack luci is just terrible till you get seastorm

[tawdry fossil]

i kinda just keep pomming it as much as possible and get the boon which makes it bounce to more enemies(along with static discharge)

[strong ridge]

i will see if i have an opening

[tawdry fossil]

the result is the chain lightning doing more damage than my actual attacks

[gray apex]

Pom static discharge

[twin thistle]

and zeus attack means you can get jolted and tidal dash more consistently so not like seastorm is much better even if you get it

[gray apex]

I wouldnt pom the attack more than 2 times

[high island]

Yeah, pom Static Discharge.

[gray apex]

And storm lightning doesnt do anything

[high island]

Storm Lightning isn't very important. Barely does anything.

[leaden birch]

I don't find it that bad

[gray apex]

only reason you take it is splitting

[twin thistle]

all its good for is splitting yeah

[strong ridge]

i will pom to 20ish usually

if nothing better

[tawdry fossil]

its not too bad, obliterates some rooms

[high island]

No.

[twin thistle]

those rooms get obliterated anyways

[gray apex]

That's just your normal zeus attack bouncing

[high island]

Yes.

[gray apex]

you dont need it to bounce more

you'll barely notice it in fact

[raw herald]

Heroic storm lightning is up to 200% extra chain lightning damage

That’s multiplicative baby

[tawdry fossil]

man i guess im grabbing it for no reason

[raw herald]

Integral to your build

[strong ridge]

ok so jolted vs storm for 2nd zeus boon if both appear

[twin thistle]

only time it does anything is if there are like 10 enemies sutting right next to each other

[strong ridge]

is dis real

[tawdry fossil]

whenever I go for a zeus build, I just go for every zeus room I can find

[raw herald]

In all seriousness you get it to unlock the legendary and nothing else

[gray apex]

you should put maybe in there

[raw herald]

Yes but who cares

[raw herald]

Up to

[high island]

Static Discharge always.

[strong ridge]

that’s what i do but the temptation is alluring

[gray apex]

if its early I gamble but we've already been over the fact that it barely does anything

[raw herald]

If it’s like before Tartarus midboss I’m taking storm lighting

[tawdry fossil]

i used to mostly go for storm if it was atleast epic

[raw herald]

Storm lightning rarity matters only if you have underworld customs

[gray apex]

Static Discharge is just value right away and the earlier the better so you can pom it

[high island]

I mean, not only does Static Discharge actually do something, you also want something with good pom scaling asap so your early poms aren't wasted.

Yeah.

[twin thistle]

only reason to take storm lightning first is highrolling for splitting

[gray apex]

yea

[strong ridge]

is life nothing but a high roll

[high island]

No. You grab Static Discharge first, then Zeus' Aid, then Double Strike, then Splitting Bolt.

[raw herald]

High roll weapons are fun until you finally leave Tartarus with the full build

2 hours into the session

And it’s not sub 2:20

[umbral parrot]

man

this sucks

i have literally had my best run ever in the game

and then i waste 2 of my death defiances, being reckless

and i lose to dad because of it

[high island]

That's how we learn.

You'll have even better runs thanks to that experience and practice!

[umbral parrot]

But i was doing so much damageee..

[umbral parrot]

by the way, do i take greater reflex or ruthless reflex?

i did way more damage with ruthless reflex, though im not sure if it was only because of it

[high island]

Greater Reflex, generally.

[pseudo kernel]

greater reflex is really good. It gives you a bit more thinking space

[umbral parrot]

I have noticed something as well, though im not sure

There is a small moment when bosses are doing AOE attacks

where if you dash in that time

you dodge the attack

is that a bug or a feature?

[high island]

Zag is invincible during empty dashes.

For the full duration of the empty dash.

[umbral parrot]

[high island]

But if you do an Attack or anything during the dash, you're not invincible anymore.

[pseudo kernel]

dashes are Very VERY good

[high island]

So yeah, that's basically how you're supposed to evade a lot of attacks.

[umbral parrot]

i didnt know that, i will pay way more attention now

Thanks alot nyaanyaa!

[reef zodiac]

Empty dashes are huge

[high island]

https://tenor.com/view/tsundere-blush-lucky-star-blushing-shy-gif-5694397

[strong ridge]

can hermes affect empty dash

[high island]

Now that you know that, time to do 51 Heat!

[pseudo kernel]

Yes? What do you mean affect tho

[high island]

Nope. Well, he can give you more dashes.

[strong ridge]

cool

[pseudo kernel]

he can add more

[high island]

If you have Hyper Sprint, the sprint after the dash is not invincible. But you're sturdy.

[umbral parrot]

Hermes gives dashes

thats why i luvhim

especially when he gives 3+ dashes

[strong ridge]

i am a bad news enjoyer myself

[tawdry fossil]

i sometimes try to roll for it

extra dashes are soo useful

[umbral parrot]

yiss

[signal aspen]

rush delivery gud

[umbral parrot]

especially when im using serrated point

[tawdry fossil]

especially with fists and ME, i recently learned that if you dash and attack, you keep the attack chain on fists going for longer than usual

pair that with divine dash, attack and dash back and forth through the enemy and it does tons of damage

even more consistent

[high island]

When you have Fated Persuasion, you'll very often want to reroll for Hyper Sprint or Greatest Reflex. That's one of the uses that make Fated Persuasion so much better than Fated Authority.

[tawdry fossil]

ive never actually used fated authority

[strong ridge]

sucx except for pom heaven

[tawdry fossil]

when I unlocked it I just stuck with fated persuasion

[reef zodiac]

Bad news spaghetti code

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/813915216903405619.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[reef zodiac]

Good choice

[high island]

You kind of need to really know what you're doing to get a lot of value out of Fated Authority.

But even then it's not worth it over Fated Persuasion unless you're doing a run with a certain theme or something like that.

[strong ridge]

i think beo was part of the programming team

[tawdry fossil]

i feel like its only really worth it on meme runs

like "most possible health" or pouring a lot of poms into a single boon

[twin thistle]

its decent for stacking a ton of zeus boons

[tawdry fossil]

the only upside is that it takes less darkness

fated persuasion takes thousands

[twin thistle]

well authority has twice the numbers of upgrades

the overall cost should be about the same

[tawdry fossil]

yeah but you gotta save up a lot

i'd have to check but i still havent gotten the last upgrade for persuasion

[high island]

10k for Fated Persuasion. 11k for Fated Authority.

[tawdry fossil]

really?

huh

[umbral parrot]

so

i am playing with the sword

and this one seems like it has combos

way more various than the other weapons

is that true?

[high island]

It just has a 3-hit normal Attack combo. At high level sword player, that's virtually never used, though.

[twin thistle]

well it repeats the same combo over and over

but theres more animation variation in said combo

[high island]

Just Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat and sometimes with Casts.

[umbral parrot]

well i guess it just has more animations

[high island]

Fated Authority used to cost 115,500 total in Early Access. 😂

[pseudo kernel]

sword is still really good, i think i have only beaten the game once on Zag aspect with it tho, alothough i hear is very fast

[high island]

Errr... no, Zag Sword is not fast.

[twin thistle]

yeah zag sword is terrible

[umbral parrot]

im using nemesis sword

i think

[twin thistle]

nem gud. but dont do standing attacks with it

[umbral parrot]

Which attack is the best?

[high island]

Zag Sword is the only aspect that starts at E tier at Lv.1 and only goes up to C tier at Lv.5 in my aspect leveling guide.

[pseudo kernel]

HAHA i must have read something wrong sorry for the wrong info

[twin thistle]

aphro generally. can go ares for merciful end too

artemis only beats aphro in damage with a lot of chaos or a big hunter dash

[tawdry fossil]

huh

[high island]

Little guide I wrote for Nemesis. #h1-for-new-players message

[tawdry fossil]

i always went for crit strike on nemesis sword

[high island]

I mean that's not a bad strategy. Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish is a classic Heart Rend build on Nemesis.

[tawdry fossil]

ok your guide makes me feel better about taking loads of damage on nemesis sword

very fun but also risky

[high island]

Yeah, that's just how you play sword if you don't want to take forever lol.

[tawdry fossil]

yeah

[high island]

Or if you're Retrash, you just don't take damage in general with melee.

[tawdry fossil]

i prefer going fast with weapons

[twin thistle]

straight up, just aphro attack is generally gunna be more damage than arty

[tawdry fossil]

basically all of my runs are speedruns, despite having done about 50

[tawdry fossil]

well the weak should help

i didnt think about it before lol

[umbral parrot]

[high island]

Any run is a speedrun if you call it a speedrun.

[tawdry fossil]

well I guess they arent that fast anyways lol

[tribal drum]

wait

ive played the game for so long and i had no idea an "erebus" existed

how can i access it?

[mint coral]

Fight Charon/use erebus gates from the work orders

They need 5/10/15 heat depending on the biome to enter

[tribal drum]

do i have to beat charon

[twin thistle]

youre there if youre fighting him

[high island]

The Charon fight takes place in Erebus.

[tribal drum]

and what happens when u access the gate tp erebus

[modern hull]

You go to erebus

[high island]

You can get better rewards in Erebus (like a pom that gives +2 instead of +1 levels), but you need to clear the encounter without taking damage for that.

[leaden birch]

Infernal soul is better for Hera's bow right

[high island]

Depends on your Cast.

[leaden birch]

I mean

oh

Well for example uh

Aphrodite's cast

[high island]

Yeah, Infernal Soul for sure.

[tawdry fossil]

ive had them unlocked for about 10ish runs and havent gone through one

[reef zodiac]

Unless you’re doing trippy flare (which tbh why would you) then yes

[pseudo kernel]

Finally beat the game with the rail

[high island]

[pseudo kernel]

man that is a fun weapon

i just needed time to understand it

[reef zodiac]

Rail is great

[tawdry fossil]

yeah

i neglected it for far too long

[reef zodiac]

I like that Eris and Hestia are both really good and play completely differently

[tawdry fossil]

when i gave it a shot for the first time it instantly became one of my favourites

[reef zodiac]

Eris is a melee weapon and Hestia is a sniper

[slim geyser]

hestia is hard for me to get used to tbh but its really good

[tawdry fossil]

i should try hestia out probably

but i'd have to play completely differently

basically reloading every single shot

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[tawdry fossil]

ill probably switch the bindings for reloading and the codex to make it easier to reload

[reef zodiac]

To start with Hestia, you want to just reload, shoot, reload, etc

And practice dashing to cancel the reload animation

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that’s an important remap

[tawdry fossil]

do you want to be keeping your distance with it? It would be difficult to reload every single shot consistently if im surrounded by enemies

[reef zodiac]

Once you get this down, you want to try integrating specials and casts during reloads

[reef zodiac]

Yes keep your distance

Empowered shot has increased range

The range is massive

[tawdry fossil]

time to pour 10 titan blood into hestia and realize I hate it

is it important to upgrade it?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

150 base damage is a lot different from 50

[pseudo kernel]

I…. Wow okay so EM3 is not to be messed with

i will have to try that again

[tawdry fossil]

thanks for the heads up

ill leave it alone

[pseudo kernel]

its pretty good heat tho

i am sure i could learn it

ahaha and now that i know how to use Hestia i will probably try it with that

[high island]

Now imagine EM3 with HL5 and FO2.

[pseudo kernel]

Nope cant

[high island]

Solo Asterius has ended plenty of high heat runs.

[pseudo kernel]

brain cant even wrap around the chaos of that

[slim geyser]

fo2 asterius is hell

[high island]

No.

But he is in hell.

Or well, the afterlife anyway.

[slim geyser]

hell²

[strong ridge]

he just chillin

[flint breach]

Do we count Elysium as hell? I mean they have luxury and everything they ever want supplied to them

[high island]

Well, hell is from a different religion anyway. You can count it however you like.

[strong ridge]

per gogle hell is generally regarded as a spirtual realm of evil and suffering

[high island]

They're suffering under King Theseus's rule.

[slim geyser]

i dont think hes still king in elysium, he just kept the title because he was king of athens?

[strong ridge]

big if true

[strong ridge]

im thinking he is king thessus champion of elysium

[high island]

Now he reigns in this heaven hell of ours much as I understand he reigned in life; with pride and confidence both in abundance.

[slim geyser]

interesting

[high island]

I suspect Asterius calls him King because he was King of Athens in life, but he reigns over Elysium because he's the Champion.

[brisk trail]

does shattered shackle work with hermes attack/special/cast speed?

[gray apex]

yup

The core slots are the only thing that affect whether shackle is working or not

[brisk trail]

thats good to know thanks

[tawdry fossil]

any good build ideas for hestia? first time trying it out

[gray apex]

Beeg beefy % on attack
Beeg beefy % on special
Tidal dash gud for damage, hunter is okay once you’re consistent at dash striking, divine dash for safety as usual
Hestia isn’t really a demanding aspect you can just shackle if you don’t find an attack even, Hermes + dashes or RD always good, look for Rocket / Cluster / Ricochet/ Piercing / Targetting/ Hazard

hammers not in order

But clockets always good

Or like above the rest you could say

[wind violet]

if u do get clockets should you just default to using that?

[tawdry fossil]

im testing it out against skelly and im barely ending up using the special

[wind violet]

bc i usually end up having trouble balancing using the reload mechanic and clockets bc clockets is so good

[tawdry fossil]

ill probably go for crit special and aphro attack, and look for cluster

[gray apex]

You still wanna make use of everything, your attack and dash are very strong sources of damage aside from clockets

However if your Special is big enough you can definitely just rely on clockets fully

The point is, Hestia is just very safe so you can use the rest of the kit rather easily

[gray apex]

An important part of the special is that if you press if right after reload you end up cancelling your reload animation

The base hammerless special is kinda sad yea

But with cluster / rocket / hazard you ideally want to use it every other attack

Dashing also cancels the reload animation

Becoming more consistent at cancelling the reloads will make the whole aspect flow better overall

And dash striking is also quite nice so you can scale with chaos lunges as opposed to just strike

Balancing the attack / special / dash ratio is quite difficult so you’ll have to practice a lot for it and maybe even watch some top players to see how they do it effectively

[sweet pivot]

Are fists the worst weapon?

[high island]

(1) If you play on pad, remap Reload to a shoulder button (most commonly L1/LB) if you haven't already done that; and (2) get in the habit of just pressing Reload + Special together whenever you reload.

[raw herald]

Fists are probably the easiest weapon for beginners

And are a lot of peoples favourites

But they’re the worst for speed

Easily

[tawdry fossil]

speed?

really?

i got my pb on them

[gray apex]

That is more on the high end tho, same for heat

[raw herald]

Yeah the only build that is really fast is ME

[high island]

I'd say probably rail for beginners, but Malphon is easy to figure out how to get good damage with.

[raw herald]

Which isn’t fun to obtain

[tawdry fossil]

damn fists are my favourite

i got 12 min in game time on them

[raw herald]

You can still get very quick times on them

But you can get very quick times on every aspect

[gray apex]

Yea

[high island]

Hey, if you makes you feel any better, Malphon was in a great place in Early Access. Then other weapons got buffed to get to the same level, and they... overshot the target a bit. But that's not Malphon's fault.

[gray apex]

[raw herald]

And then they nerfed the best fist build

[high island]

They nerfed the hell out of my build in EA lol, and then the Divine Dash/Merciful End nerf later.

[tawdry fossil]

i always heard that they were the best but ig those articles were outdated

[high island]

And they also decided, "Hey, how about we make EM4 100x more difficult for melee with mechanics that have virtually no effect on ranged aspects?"

Malphon was never the best.

[abstract epoch]

gonna assume king vermin is the exact same, even with middle management on

[high island]

Yeah, Tiny Vermin doesn't change.

[abstract epoch]

still died on hades, as expected

EM4 is insane

[tawdry fossil]

wouldnt reload+dash be better(with the occasional special)?

[high island]

Hmmm probably not, no. There are times when you'd want to do that, sure, but most of the time it'll be Reload + Special > Dash-Strike > repeat.

You can also very quickly cancel your Special into a dash anyway.

[tawdry fossil]

yeah i gotta practice that then

i keep pressing the special early and messing up the reload, which makes me lose a lot of time

[high island]

Hmm? You can do Special first and press Reload during the animation, that's perfectly fine, too.

You can even hold Special and reload while you're aiming.

[tawdry fossil]

ohh nvm ive been doing it right, its just the few frames after using ur special where you cant attack which is what was slowing me down

im just doing a mix of both specials and dashes now(mostly specials especially with crowds)

[high island]

Well, you don't get the reload animation, but you still have to wait for the reload bar to fill like normal.

[tawdry fossil]

that still saves time right?

if not, whats the point of it?

[high island]

The point is that you can't use your Attack anyway during reload, so you use your Special then to get more damage in.

[tawdry fossil]

I thought it would just let you attack after reloading without having to wait

[strong ridge]

indeed after your reload you can attack

[high island]

Also, you'll only be able to actually use your Special every other reload since your Special has a cooldown.

But since you can just press both anyway and your Special just won't come out when it's still on cooldown, you can just do that and don't have to pay attention to whether it's up or not.

[desert tundra]

❓ but if you don't have it up then you're not benefiting from it at all lol, might as well just not take it if you're not trying to dodge things

its a waste of a slot otherwise

[high island]

Waste of a slot?

What?

Virtually every speedrun uses High Confidence, and I assure you they don't care about evading attacks unless it happens to save time.

If you don't need the additional HP from Thick Skin to clear a run, then the value it offers is just 0 whereas High Confidence will give you more damage at least some of the time.

[desert tundra]

It just seems inconsistent to me is all, I understand you can get it back up sometimes but if you're not gonna care about getting hit anyways then might as well take the extra hp to beef yourself up a bit

that's the way I see it

[sweet pivot]

Which of Eurydice foods is the best ?

[desert tundra]

Refreshing Nectar 9 times out of 10

other 2 are situational, if you want to upgrade your already owned boons and if you have a good build going or something like that

[sweet pivot]

Also is flurry strike delta chamber or seaking fire better with default gun

[slim geyser]

depends but usually refreshing nectar

[twin thistle]

flurry good for dps especially with splitting bolt. delta chamber retains i-frames during dash strikes and gives a bit of ease of use since you dont have to reload but the later isnt very important. seeking fire is pretty much completely useless unless youre on mnk and have auto aim turned off

[desert tundra]

Question, if I sell all my boons from one god, will it give me the chance to get boons from other gods? Or no

[high island]

No, you can't remove a god from your god pool once they're in it.

[desert tundra]

Shiettttt

unfortunate

thanks for telling me anyways

[umbral parrot]

Good moinn

[pseudo kernel]

Hello

i had a question bc i never do it and i am just wondering, is it ever a good idea to go for the anvil in styx

[desert tundra]

Guten morgen

[desert tundra]

Not really sure if it's optimal or not since it's random what you get, but if you have any hammer upgrades you don't really care about then sure go ahead lol

[glacial adder]

hi nyana,,, i;ve been playing hades again recently, glad to see your still talking games everyday 😄

oh nooooo, s/he still has me blocked for being lithua,,, racis prolly

[tall lotus]

It thising my friend for sure, Yea! it been long time and I seeing this sever active mainly

I playing it mainly today for sure, and I using sheild lot more this time

I have game this, las ltime I watching streamer, but now i wonder if it good or spear better?

@rough token IT be en long time!, I see ing a thing on hades where I telport when gloves are use. It this common or olding bug this time?

[glacial adder]

yesssing.. it only a feature for now, unless it for removing by the creators>? you can ask them they are in this server /^

[tall lotus]

@pure hamlet @chilly stump @vale drift HEllo!!@modest dirge @cloud arch !!! It been longing time from saying hello in Lithua. Las t time I not having hade, but now I have and playing many hour!, IT going well around world, hoping for sure, good things toward you and staying safe! Tahnk for all gaming for this time!

[leaden birch]

lithua,,,

lithuanian??

[glacial adder]

[tall lotus]

YES!! Lithuanian for, for this culture for me is 100 %

[leaden birch]

no way

sw

[tall lotus]

For getting this one and on topic this time. I thinking that when using large sword, it good but not good as shield

[leaden birch]

big sword

[pseudo kernel]

[leaden birch]

[brisk trail]

whats the chance of running into sisyphus, eurydice and patroclus

[leaden birch]

I've been running into patroclus the most

[brisk trail]

same

and eurydice the least I think

[compact dawn]

What Staurlite already said but also, do not go for the anvil in Styx if you're using the Stygian blade, you have a chance of getting a Daedalus hammer upgrade that reduces your health by 30%

[pseudo kernel]

okay thanks

[desert tundra]

Ah yeah the lifesteal one

lol

[brisk trail]

I mean it's alright with flurry slash innit?

[desert tundra]

Could be? Lowers your health so much that you can get one shot a lot though

which is not ideal lol

[reef zodiac]

Mmm no

Flurry slash is awful because it forces you to dash strike after attacking

Hold on let me pull up Nyaa’s explanation of it

[brisk trail]

sure

[reef zodiac]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[desert tundra]

btw is there a way to get certain hammer upgrades? or is it just always rng

[brisk trail]

whoops

I see, thanks, that's pretty bad then

[reef zodiac]

It’s RNG

[brisk trail]

what weapons have the best and worst hammers

I feel like swords aren't that great mostly

[reef zodiac]

Sword has the worst for sure

[brisk trail]

welp they ya go

[reef zodiac]

It has Double Edge which is incredible. And the rest are mediocre, useless, or actively hurt you

[left brook]

bow probably has the most nice strong set

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Bow and Rail have great hammers

[brisk trail]

is cruel thrust any good

[compact dawn]

Can confirm, I love the bow and rail

Favourite weapons

[left brook]

nah, doesn't apply to dash strikes so you'll only get to use it very occasionally

[reef zodiac]

I love Hestia because it has so many fantastic hammers:
Rocket Bomb, Cluster Bomb, Ricochet Fire, Piercing Fire, Hazard Bomb

[compact dawn]

I notice not a lot of people like Chiron but for me I'm really comfortable using Chiron with the Daedalus upgrade that increase number of arrows per special

[brisk trail]

problem with chiron is it's rly slow to clear rooms

[reef zodiac]

Chiron is one of the best beginner aspects in the game

It just falls of hard when it comes to speed or heat

[brisk trail]

which is bad for high heat since you cant take td3

and more enemies=bad

[reef zodiac]

Chiron starts to feel like very bad Hestia at high heat

[brisk trail]

it's pretty good at singular high hp enemies but awful against groups

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but even for the singular enemies, it needs a lot more than Hestia does and still does it slower and less safely

[brisk trail]

fun aspect tho

[left brook]

yeah i used to play it loads, v satisfying

[desert tundra]

Sadge

ty though

[reef zodiac]

I got all my early clears with Chiron

[brisk trail]

are any stock aspects good

zagreus aspects

had to check the name

[left brook]

zagbow's pretty good

[gray apex]

Bow is quite nice

[reef zodiac]

Zag bow and zag shield are good

Zag shield is a lot worse if it can’t have charged shot though

And Zag rail is decent with spread fire

[short glen]

Gilgamesh is obviously the best aspect in the entire game no possible way to surpass it with any weapon /j

[reef zodiac]

True

Why attack and special when you could hold the dash button

[short glen]

Exactly

[pseudo kernel]

what is gilgamesh’s power?

[raw herald]

Minimal

[reef zodiac]

None, it sucks

[short glen]

It's not very good, but I enjoy it

[pseudo kernel]

wait

[short glen]

I don't use the effect thingy but I can't consistently trigger that attack anyways so

[pseudo kernel]

so there is nothing special?

[compact dawn]

So glad I got Demeter instead

As in fully upgraded

[raw herald]

You get 2 extra dashes but they’re shorter and can’t be spammed

[left brook]

and its dash-upper inflicts a debuff that makes enemies deal and take extra damage, then take a big burst of damage after a delay

[pseudo kernel]

Doesnt sound fun

[short glen]

I enjoy it

[pseudo kernel]

i dunno tho

[left brook]

it's definitely Unique

[pseudo kernel]

i thought i would hate Guan Yu but i love it

[reef zodiac]

Your attacks and specials are insanely unsafe and leave you very vulnerable

[short glen]

Personally I just think the effect's values should be tweaked to make it worth using

Rn the damage taken increase is not worth the damage dealt increase

[pseudo kernel]

i am planning on trying to beat the game with something other than Arthur repeatedly bc i am very biased towards it

think imma try Hestia next dunno

[reef zodiac]

Hestia is great

Love that aspect

Beo and Hestia have to be my top 2 aspects

Although 50 heat Hestia has been a bit painful tbh

[brisk trail]

doesn't matter how bad something is, if you enjoy playing it, that's all that matters

[pseudo kernel]

so far my top 2 are Arthur and Guan Yu

[brisk trail]

SAME

[pseudo kernel]

funny how the weapons i thought i wouldnt like i like alot

[left brook]

guan yu has such high style points

i'm an avid facetanking enthusiast tho so it causes me problems

[gray apex]

You can facetank with Guan yu

Just spin right?

[left brook]

lmao

[reef zodiac]

Very true

[gray apex]

I like Guan yu

Pretty fun

Very safe too

[pseudo kernel]

i am planning on trying to do EM3 soon

[pseudo kernel]

Mmm i wouldnt use those words perse but sureee

[reef zodiac]

I would not either

It’s like less safe Hestia

[pseudo kernel]

its not safe at all

[reef zodiac]

The special kinda locks you in place for a kinda unsafe amount of time

[reef zodiac]

Nah it’s kinda safe

You can keep your distance

[pseudo kernel]

yeah fair enough

[gray apex]

Well I’m assuming Charged Skewer

Spinning is not safe at all yea

[reef zodiac]

But CSkewer still isn’t that safe

I tried it for hitless runs

[pseudo kernel]

Cskewer is considerably more safe tho

[reef zodiac]

Being locked in place while charging is kinda rough

[reef zodiac]

Definitely

[gray apex]

Was my easiest 50 out of spears

[pseudo kernel]

i cant even imagine doing 50 its beyond my brain space but maybe one day

[reef zodiac]

50 is hard

Don’t think about it at least until you’ve done 45 I think

[pseudo kernel]

no i know

i am not even thinking about 45

[gray apex]

I actually did Guan yu before Eris and Hestia

[desert tundra]

Fellow Arthur enjoyer

[pseudo kernel]

whats the fastest someone has done an arthur run?

[desert tundra]

I also just like the sword in general, but Arthur just gives me that balls to the wall and I can kill anything feeling

lol

[left brook]

6:34 by bablo

or i think 6:36? unmodded by magnil

one of the 4 *aspects to not have a sub-6:30

[keen drum]

Is there a Hades speedrunning discord?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[keen drum]

Can someone DM it to me?

[reef zodiac]

Pinned in self promotion

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah, i am the opposite i dislike the sword ingeneral but arthur is fun

[reef zodiac]

Hestia is like Arthur but with range

Kinda

[pseudo kernel]

is hestia level dependent or not?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s pretty level dependent

[pseudo kernel]

right

so i should invest some blood into it

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

It’s a fantastic aspect

Very safe, very strong

It’s both the best hitless aspect and the best boonless aspect by far

Arguably both a top 5 speed aspect and a top 5 heat aspect

[pseudo kernel]

okay ill give it a shot

[compact dawn]

Just platinumed Hades on PS4

What a game, 10/10 for me

You can tell the developers had a real vision when making this game and they nailed the execution

[brisk trail]

it's pretty epic

[compact dawn]

Just chilling out to the Hymn of Zagreus after the rush of beating my second third attempt at 16 heat

[brisk trail]

nicely done

what heat are you gonna go for next?

[pseudo kernel]

Go the full nine yards and jump straight to 50

[compact dawn]

twenty one

Nah, I'm gonna be taking a break from Hades to platinum some other games but I'm definitely coming back to it

Damn, the Bat Cage upgrade for the Lounge is so cool!

[brisk trail]

does anyone have knowledge or a guide on how boon rarity boosting conditions (chaos favour, god keepsakes, refreshing nectar etc) interact with eachother. Like can you get guaranteed purples? is there anything outside of gods legacy that improves leg/duo chance and if so by how much? Also are the only ways to get heroic boons replacing epics, ambrosia delight and rare crop?

[compact dawn]

I'd also be interested to know the answer to that

[twin thistle]

boon rarity increases are additive with each other. chaos rarity buffs add 10% to duo/legendary chance, refreshing nectar and yarn of ariandne do too though nectar and yarn dont stack. god keepsakes also increase chances for their respective boons to be duo/legendaries by 10% and pretty sure theres also some increase to epic chance. and yeah those are the only three ways to get heroics @compact dawn

[brisk trail]

thank you so much, also I forgot to add, what are base chances of blue and purp (no mirror of night upgrades), iirc leg/duo is 10% base chance?

[reef zodiac]

10% for Epic and 20% for rare I believe

No

No it’s double that

Nvm

20% for epic and 40% for rare

And for Hermes it’s 3% for Epic

And 1% for legendary

I don’t know the odds of rare though

But that’s part of why God’s Pride is so good

Because Hermes epic odds go from 3% to 23%

[twin thistle]

miniboss rooms/sparkly styx boons also guarantees rare and increases epic chances by idk how much though leg/duos have 10% base chance in them while regular boons have 12% or something from what i remember

[brisk trail]

awesome, thanks guys

[compact dawn]

So in other words, the best way to maximise your chance of getting a legendary/duo boon from a specific god is: chaos rarity buff + refreshing nectar or yarn of ariadne + god keepsake= 30% chance of legendary from a specific god

[short glen]

Do yarn and refresh not stack?

[twin thistle]

52% total after adding to legacy and the base chance

[short glen]

Oh I see the other message had that

[twin thistle]

though the actual chance of getting a duo/legendary from a boon is higher since it rolls individually for each slot unless its taken by a priority boon

[brisk trail]

is each slot always rolled separately? does each slot get rolled for all rarities then the highest is chosen? What determines if a replacement boon is rolled?

[twin thistle]

.

[short glen]

Wouldn't having more boons from a god increase the odds assuming none of them unlock others? Since I'm pretty sure the game can't not fill a slot unless there's physically not enough boons in the list, right?

[brisk trail]

groovy, thanks

[gray apex]

Not any boons, core boons, status curses and T2s only, technically what you said is true but you’re never gonna get to the point where the god literally has nothing else to give

[brisk trail]

when the game chooses a leg/duo is the pool of available boons weighted equally?

available meaning you have the required boons for the leg/duo

[twin thistle]

probably. idk

[brisk trail]

aight

well thanks for your help

[gray apex]

If you mean like you have 2 duos open then it’s 50/50 between those 2 if a duo gets rolled

Which is why you don’t want to open multiple duos when you’re aiming for 1 only

It reduces your chances by a lot

[brisk trail]

[gray apex]

If you watch any speedrunners, some builds revolve around certain duos like Mirage shot or Merciful End, they’ll avoid opening up other stuff like Deadly Reversal or Curse of Drowning before they actually get their duo, and you can also notice that they don’t accept every god into their pool if they have the option to, like Zeus is a nice god for ME, and not so nice for Mirage shot (beowulf) etc

[brisk trail]

[lyric hatch]

Zorro be like: Hello young fellow, I am Zorro, a paladin of justice who is also the god of swordsmen, which powers do you wish?

[fast willow]

wish Hermes just had normal rarity

so I could have a good purp rd run once in like 10 hours instead of once in 30

[gray apex]

Imagine seeing a purple rd

common best I can do

[high island]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[devout terrace]

True

[ivory oyster]

i wish dodge chance was additive so i could get 100% dodge
that would be funny

[reef zodiac]

I’m pretty sure it is

[brisk trail]

it is innit?

[strong ridge]

it b

[ivory oyster]

i mean ive gotten pretty close to 100% and was still getting hit most of the time
which means its either multiplicative or im just astronimcally unlucky lol

or capped or smthn idk

[strong ridge]

what is pretty close to 100

[reef zodiac]

most of the time?

[ivory oyster]

like 75%ish
i guess not super close but still enough that i shouldntve been being hit as much as i did

[reef zodiac]

Looks like you’re unlucky

Sucks to suck

[ivory oyster]

lol

[strong ridge]

75 isnt enough to rely on imo

[brisk trail]

whats highest amount you can get from plume

[reef zodiac]

Next time you could try getting luckier

[brisk trail]

like 50%?

[reef zodiac]

No no

Like 38ish

[brisk trail]

gotcha

15 from fists

20 (25??) from hermes

[reef zodiac]

Actually max might be over 40 but not by much

[ivory oyster]

lets see i know i got about 30 to 40% from plume
15 from fists
and 20 from hermes

[reef zodiac]

I’d have to do the math

[brisk trail]

can u upgrade hermes to red?

[ivory oyster]

i also got the thing that increases dodge by like 30 after a call

[reef zodiac]

25 with Heroic, plus heroic second wind for 42? I think

[brisk trail]

wiki says 39

idk how accurate hades wiki is tho

[reef zodiac]

39 on Heroic

Yeah that seems right

[ivory oyster]

39 feels like a really weird number to have for that

[brisk trail]

actually, is hades wiki reliable?

[reef zodiac]

30, 33, 36, 39

[reef zodiac]

Usually?

[brisk trail]

aight cool

[reef zodiac]

Idk I don’t use it much because I have my own resources

[brisk trail]

I just ask cos like I've been around game wikis that r rly trash

[reef zodiac]

I actually have a private server for just dumping different Hades resources lmao

[ivory oyster]

im gonna do another dodge run later cuz i wanna test it again
see just how high i can get

[strong ridge]

it would not be for hyper advanced stuffs but for general stuff it is

[brisk trail]

oh nice

[reef zodiac]

I mean it’s not just Hades but it’s mostly Hades

[ivory oyster]

i wish there was an endless mode for stuff like this, so i could get the perfect build

[brisk trail]

ok so 100% is possible but not permanently

[ivory oyster]

cant you get batter dodge chance from one of the other weapons

its been a while since i played but i think there is

[brisk trail]

yes

zag fists 15%

[ivory oyster]

right but i thought u could get dodge from something other than fists

[brisk trail]

mmmmmm I don't think so?

[ivory oyster]

oh wack
maybe im thinking of shield block or something

[brisk trail]

fists/plume/greater evasion/second wind

[reef zodiac]

No

Just Zag fists

[mint coral]

Ruthless reflex on the mirror

[ivory oyster]

ideally a dodge run would have the 30% dodge after call, then that duo boon that auto fills god gauge super fast
and then like artemis call or something cuz it has 5 charges instead of 4

[ivory oyster]

thats what im thinking of

[brisk trail]

oh yeah

is that 50% dodge chance?

[mint coral]

For 2 secs after barely dodging an attack ye

[brisk trail]

nice

well you can get ~70-80% permanent dodge chance which is huge

[ivory oyster]

is it possible for an endless mode to be made through mods or something

[reef zodiac]

Sure

I don’t think one exists but you could make one

[ivory oyster]

i dont know how to code lol

[reef zodiac]

Then idk what to tell you

You could try the modding server?

[mint coral]

There is one iirc

[ivory oyster]

ye ill ask them later when im out of class
cuz endless would be super dope for builds like this

[mint coral]

Or at least a beta existed

[ivory oyster]

wizard of legend has prolly my favorite endless
enemies get better stats like attack and speed, bosses become ridiculously fast especially
its quite funny to watch
but 100% dodge is too easy to get in that game and i like the combat better in hades

anybody else not enjoy using heat very much
i used it for a while to unlock upgrades, but eventually realized it was just more fun to play on 0 heat, or maybe like only the harder bosses heat
i really enjoy the feeling in roguelikes/lites where throughout the run you get more and more powerful until by the end ur just incredibly broken

[brisk trail]

I like taking on challenges while being incredibly strong, so I feel like a god but it's still challenging

[ivory oyster]

only harder boss heat i dont like is elysium
cuz the slam hitbox for the minotaur stays out for a lot longer than the animation lets on

[fast willow]

I honestly don't remember runs that I played without heat on after unlocking it

except to get the 0 heat reward on rail since 0 heat rewards work differently

[ivory oyster]

if im playing bow ill do some extra heat cuz bow is wicked broken all on its own lol
crit bow being able two shot hades second phase is kinda nuts

[iron oyster]

Wait really?

[fast willow]

yeah

[strong ridge]

i like the difficulties that make the enemies/enviorn more harder but i dont like the ones that affect zag's build very much for that reason plasma

[fast willow]

if you never beat 0 heat on a weapon you won't get that reward for beating a higher heat like you normally would

[iron oyster]

Oh I didn’t know that

I just farmed up the stuff I could get (basically everything but that last Titan blood) and beat 0 heat later with that weapon

[fast willow]

so after getting the rewards up to 20 I had to do a 0 heat run to get the last reward

[iron oyster]

Also how the hell am I supposed to use rail

[ivory oyster]

ye like the one that disables the mirror is cringe
and the ones that remove boons

[iron oyster]

The damage is absolutely ass

[fast willow]

Zeus attack + static discharge Zeus boon

[iron oyster]

I can’t move

[ivory oyster]

rail is only useful if you get the version that does extra damage on the first shot
then just spam first shot and kill everything lol

[iron oyster]

Oh I never really used Zeus before

Thanks

[brisk trail]

I like buffing enemies over nerfing myself

games more fun that way imo

[ivory oyster]

zeus is epic
i like running zeus with fists

[fast willow]

not really since eris is one of the strongest aspects in the game

[ivory oyster]

which one is eris

[strong ridge]

zactly

[fast willow]

the one that gives you 75% global damage for 4 sec if you stand in the explosion

[ivory oyster]

oh
i never used that much cuz using the giant explosion radius hammer is funny lol
and of course u cant stand in the explosion for that

[strong ridge]

its 75% global buff

so boons count

which is big

[iron oyster]

That seems busted

[ivory oyster]

oh, i see
maybe ill give it another shot then

[fast willow]

yes like I said it's very strong

one of the best in the game

[iron oyster]

Rama is pretty good too from what I’ve heard

[brisk trail]

rama is

[ivory oyster]

ye i like rama

[brisk trail]

you can chunk healthbars with it, same with arthur

[ivory oyster]

do people use aspect of lucifer much
it seems kinda
bad lol

[iron oyster]

Good for speed running due to the shared suffering thing

[strong ridge]

correct @ivory oyster

[iron oyster]

I think?

[iron oyster]

I imagined a 1000 damage thrust

[brisk trail]

I've had over 3k dmg swing with arthur

[iron oyster]

Jesus

Crit?

[brisk trail]

it's meaty af

yes

[fast willow]

it's worse than eris and hestia but still overall a good weapon

[brisk trail]

crit+backstab+demeter/aphrodite

even more if you add cast

[iron oyster]

I’m imagining a hoarding slash build for Arthur

Idk how that would play out

It’s probably stupid

[ivory oyster]

eugh
i tried hoarding slash once
i got 2k gold and still felt extremely weak

it wasnt on arthur tho so its worth a shot

its just so weird that it only does 5% of gold
thats so low

[brisk trail]

Don’t use that with arthur

[strong ridge]

hoarding sucks a lot

[ivory oyster]

whats best for arthur anyway
should i go for crit or flat damage ups

[brisk trail]

Flat damage

Demeter or aphrodite

[ivory oyster]

aphrodite gets highest damage stat right

ah

[strong ridge]

weak also exaggerates the arthur hp buff

and opens up potential smairtivity

[brisk trail]

Worth noting that weak is great since you’ll probably be taking damage with arthur and chill is great to make enemies hit you less

Tho building it is slow

But the payoff is very noticeable on bosses

[ivory oyster]

tankiness in roguelikes always feels funny to use
roguelikes are usually focused on player skill and being able to narrowly dodge stuff
and then u just go in covered head to toe in titanium armour and ur like HIT ME WITH UR BEST SHOT

i need to unlock the rest of the hammer upgrades for arthur anyway so imma run it later

[umbral parrot]

Zeus' call is th3e best

out of whatever he gives

for me

[ivory oyster]

zeus call is alright
i feel like dionysus call is better tho unless u get a ton of upgraded lightning boons

[strong ridge]

standalone dio has higher dps upon call however zeus call opens up smair where dios doesnt

and zeus dmg is comparable

but theyre both basically good

[ivory oyster]

what is smair lol

[strong ridge]

smoldering air

duo

make gauge go brr

[ivory oyster]

ah
yeah that one is good
rare tho

[strong ridge]

no morsso than any other duo

[ivory oyster]

true
i just swear i never get duos lol

even with the +20% chance thing from mirror

is lightning rod good
is there a hidden use that i havent seen or is it kinda just useless

i want to keep my casts in the enemy so i can get extra damage

[strong ridge]

make sure u have their pre rq

lightning rod is basically neme

though its how i got my first W so

\o/

[ivory oyster]

how do u win because of lightning rod haha

i guess maybe hermes boon that makes casts fall out fast?

[strong ridge]

i did not pick them back up

and ran around

ezpz

[ivory oyster]

i dont remember how i got my first win
mightve been merciful end, but its been too long for me to remember for sure

[strong ridge]

fair tbh

i only remeber it bc of how anticlimactic it was

[ivory oyster]

yeah i imagine it would be haha
i similarly got my first victory vs theseus because i ran around the arena and spammed demeter cast

didnt work quite as well against hades tho

[umbral parrot]

[signal aspen]

It's pretty good but don't take it on cast builds because it makes it harder to pick up your casts

[ivory oyster]

i dont usually run cast builds anyway
unless im doing Beowulf, which i dont run a lot cuz it feels weird to use
i much prefer the fast weapons like fists and sword

[signal aspen]

Beo is fast

[gray apex]

You should learn Beowulf if you like fast weapons

[ivory oyster]

i mean the run itself is fast but like
i gotta charge up and just do a slam
then wait for the casts to hit the ground and rinse and repeat

[brisk trail]

What de best fist aspect for 32

[gray apex]

Demeter is a tier above others no matter what you're doing

[brisk trail]

[signal aspen]

Don't fully charge your bullrush and don't load all your casts in one rush

[ivory oyster]

ye i dont need to fully charge but i like using block with shield, and it doesnt feel great to use with beowulf
fist is just
i can dash around and smack stuff right away and stun lock and stuff
punchy :)

[signal aspen]

No need to stun lock when you can just kill them

[ivory oyster]

true i guess
beowulf is definitely very good, one of the best for sure
but meh fist more fun to me

kinda like rama
insane damage but pretty slow to hit stuff

[signal aspen]

Yeah rama takes some getting used to

[brisk trail]

Hey, how do I get the big yoshi?

[gray apex]

the what

[brisk trail]

Beeg

Yoshi

[analog dew]

I wonder if Dunkey has played Hades

[fickle dew]

what is big yoshi 💀 💀

[analog dew]

80% sure it’s a meme by VideogameDunkey

Or popularized by him at least

[fickle dew]

oh ok 👍

[analog dew]

But yeah, it’s completely unrelated to Hades

[brisk trail]

Damn it!

I got caught.

Mission failed we'll get em next time

[high island]

Yeah, Lightning Rod is pretty good. Even at its worst, it's a much better Exit Wounds.

[ivory oyster]

Bleh exit wounds

[high island]

It's not something you specifically build for, but it can add some pretty decent DPS.

[ivory oyster]

I just like using casts for extra damage when it's lodged in foes
Leaving the casts on the ground for lightning rod makes me play bad cuz instead of being optimal I try and specifically avoid picking them up and I end up running into dumb stuff a lot

Especially into lava

[high island]

You don't really need to go out of your way to make Lightning Rod do decent damage. Just do what you normally do.

You can just think of it as free damage any time your bloodstones drop.

[ivory oyster]

yeah i guess so
maybe i just need some lightning upgrades to make it feel worth
like jolt and extra radius and stuff

[high island]

Well, it can also just be hard to see how much DPS it really adds since it's essentially passive and often off-screen.

[tawdry fossil]

what are the best hammers for hestia? I've been running clocket mostly, but are there better options?

[gray apex]

Not really

Clockets have very good damage and big aoe

All you need

If you cant get clockets however then you can take Piercing Targetting or Ricochet

[umbral parrot]

Are aspect levels capped?

[gray apex]

Max aspect level is 5

[umbral parrot]

i wanted achilles to do %500 damage post rush

my dreams are broken

[gray apex]

Hazard strong too but incompatible with Rocket or Cluster

[tawdry fossil]

i mean at a certain point it would be too easy

after pouring about a 100 titan blood or something into it, it would basically one shot bosses

[tawdry fossil]

oh yeah i might need to try that out if I dont manage to get clocket

been playing mostly eris rail so hazard was pretty much useless to me

[reef zodiac]

Rocket > Hazard > Ricochet > Piercing > Cluster
All are very good options on their own. And obviously Clockets is amazing

[tawdry fossil]

yeah i got clockets last run, basically destroys

reload, use clockets, and shoot the powered shot

just rinse and repeat

covers a huge area and makes up for the time I lose when reloading

[reef zodiac]

Clockets are always gonna be busted

Normal special: 50 base damage
Cluster Rockets: 400 base damage

[strong ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-sneaking-out-camouflage-serious-gif-5272373

zag when clocket

[vague mesa]

does anyone have a guide on using the aspect of arthur?

it seems like an interesting weapon

[strong ridge]

dash strike

[reef zodiac]

Really? I thought dash strikes were generally not the way to play Arthur

Well, they are for low hp enemies

But for many enemies it’s better to do the attack combo

And dash between the attacks

[fast willow]

if you want to dashstrike go play nemesis

[strong ridge]

idk i remember i read smth about arthur dash strike

[strong ridge]

maybe this

idr

[signal aspen]

You can spam dash strikes on Arthur but I feel like it's only good with dedge

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/908168128750567456.gif?size=48

[pure karma]

Good boons for zag spear?

[reef zodiac]

It’s not about boons it’s about hammers

[sweet pivot]

What hammer upgrades are best for fists ?

[signal aspen]

Tidal dash

[signal aspen]

Breaching strike or whatever it's called

[sweet pivot]

Ok so armor piercing and range are the best ?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

And explosive upper, especially for Demeter

[pure karma]

So? Which ones

[reef zodiac]

Exploding launcher

Or flurry jab

[signal aspen]

Flurry jab or exploding launcher

[pure karma]

Alright

what boons do I go for though?

At least complementary

[reef zodiac]

Depends on which hammer you get lmao

Idk how to play zag spear unmodded though

[mint coral]

Start tidal force the god depending in hammer?

[pure karma]

do I start with shackles then?

[signal aspen]

I started tidal dash and resetted until I got either flurry or exploding

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that seems like a good play

[mint coral]

Tidal good

[pure karma]

resetting takes too much time

I mean you have to die right?

[signal aspen]

That's how you play spear

Yeah

[pure karma]

man

this server

[mint coral]

If you wanna focus on resets quit then turn on RI4/HS

[devout terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/824123574955802644.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[pure karma]

I am doing low heat runs to farm blood

this is my hell mode file

[devout terrace]

gl

[pure karma]

Nice, forgot I dont have poseidon's keepsake

https://imgur.com/a/Mbci0ue

[mint coral]

Spear moment

[signal aspen]

Spin 2 win

[pure karma]

Maybe I can make Vicious Skewer work

WIth like, artemis special?

stacks?

[signal aspen]

Sure

[mint coral]

Spear special dmg is bad

Without exploding*

[gray apex]

dont bother

[sweet pivot]

What hammer is best for gun ?

[signal aspen]

Seeking fire

[mint coral]

Ceaese

[strong ridge]

cluster + rocket flurry + delta

[reef zodiac]

Flurry delta?

Is that even possible

[signal aspen]

Flurry + Delta

No

[strong ridge]

zag rail

can

[gray apex]

you cant even get both of those

no it cant

[signal aspen]

No

[reef zodiac]

[strong ridge]

why

i thought

foild

[signal aspen]

No

[gray apex]

one increases ammo and one removes ammo how does that make sense

and one makes you fire faster and the other makes you fire in bursts of 3

[pure karma]

Have you ever like, forgotten you have a brain, and you pick Hydraulic Might instead of Tidal Dash?

[signal aspen]

No

[gray apex]

I dont have a brain anyway

[pure karma]

Nice to see I am a pioneer.

[reef zodiac]

No, I don’t really like Hydraulic

[pure karma]

Who does

[mint coral]

Is kinda nice on hestia

[signal aspen]

Hydraulic is decent

[gray apex]

depends on weapon

[pure karma]

Hestia is Bestia

[reef zodiac]

Anyone who would pick it over the best dash in the game

[signal aspen]

Divine dash best dash

Idk man

[pure karma]

Not my fault, my brain switched off for a second

[mint coral]

As someone with-

[reef zodiac]

Copypasta incoming

[gray apex]

I wouldnt say it's best

[pure karma]

I just found out that Athena's call doesnt reflect

[reef zodiac]

Yeah, was just a joke.

[pure karma]

know what else is a joke?

[reef zodiac]

Uhh

[signal aspen]

You're mom

[pure karma]

picking jydraulic might over tidal dash

[reef zodiac]

Zag sword attack speed increase?

[pure karma]

I am a guy, I identify as a male, can;t be a mom

[sweet pivot]

What is rocket flurry?

[signal aspen]

Damn it

[signal aspen]

Rocket bomb and flurry fire

I think they meant cluster rocket + rocket bomb

[pure karma]

Tidal Dash (I got it next boon) does more damage than crit special

great weapon 10.10

[signal aspen]

No exploding moment

[pure karma]

I wish there was a chaos boon that makes you deal 1000% more damage but makes it so you die if you get hit by anything under any circumstances, and removes your revives

[mint coral]

Global dmg or attack/special/etc?

[high island]

That'd be a little too easy.

[pure karma]

Global

[reef zodiac]

Bruh

You could just 1-shot bosses

[pure karma]

Ok how about this, if you die, your save file is deleted

[reef zodiac]

How would you even manage to get hit

[signal aspen]

Easy hitless runs

[gray apex]

tiny rat in styx tunnel gonna end your whole career

[strong ridge]

all u would have to do is b good

[pure karma]

That is all you need to do anyway though

[strong ridge]

crosstraining

[pure karma]

Hey

lets see if I can take charon with this worthless build

Answer is yes

but rip my revives

[high island]

Get rich and die tryin'.

[sweet pivot]

I always prioritize other boons over Aphrodite boons because she creeps me out.

[pure karma]

Oh no

Oh god