#h1-discussion

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reef zodiac
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It’s hard to lose

tardy shard
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god i love the world building on this game, just got to bone hydra and remembered he named it lernie

icy knoll
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is minstral dash ever good

twin thistle
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probably not bouldy

strong ridge
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purple do 30 so like sometime

twin thistle
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maybe. something something unlocking artic blast for meme beams or proccing killing freeze

reef zodiac
tardy shard
reef zodiac
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Yep

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She has two good boons

hot reef
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the rarity upgrading one

reef zodiac
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Lmao no

hot reef
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well, situationally, yeah

reef zodiac
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Snow Burst and Killing Freeze

reef zodiac
hot reef
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you're gonna tell me you're not getting that at tartarus? that thing will be heroic by the time u hit hades

reef zodiac
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Lmao it will be Heroic by mid asphodel

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I’m aware of how it works

brisk trail
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hi

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wut is best build for zeus sheild?

reef zodiac
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Zeus special

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Jolted

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Ignore double strike (other than as a prereq for legendary), it does nothing

brisk trail
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jolted?

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the boon that gives jolted?

reef zodiac
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Static Discharge

brisk trail
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keepsake of zeus?

reef zodiac
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Of course

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Can’t expect to get Zeus boons otherwise bouldy

tardy shard
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ok how the HELL DO I UNLOCK COMPANIONS

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i have megs affinity maxed but it won’t let me give her ambrosia

reef zodiac
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You need to wait for a certain line of dialogue

twin thistle
twin thistle
reef zodiac
twin thistle
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double strike works for the first couple ticks doesnt it

reef zodiac
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No

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It actually doesn’t do anything

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The extra bolts will appear but they don’t do any damage

twin thistle
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like itll help a bit when yo yoing

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though ig if its like one or two procs at most

reef zodiac
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Oh alright

little ridge
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You want to know how good this game is ?

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When you want to play it while you playing elden ring

leaden birch
reef zodiac
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Nope Hades isn’t addictive squirtyay

  • Someone with over 1K hours in the game
leaden birch
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TRUE

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Wait let me check how much I have on it since I only got it last sunday

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50 hours
reasonable

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Also for the Queen's plan you uh

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Need to Max out the bonds on every Olympian god, right?

reef zodiac
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Nah

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I think it’s 5 of them

leaden birch
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Oh
I see

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Oh

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It's at least 6

reef zodiac
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Oh it is?

leaden birch
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Apparently so

slim geyser
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6 and demeter counts at the lock

leaden birch
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I see

lyric hatch
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So... I think that Helios' buffs could regard light

leaden birch
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Since he's the god of the sun

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Solar attacks maybe
I dunno

lyric hatch
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I wrote some concepts to a friend

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Daybreak Strike: Adds light-damage to normal attack

Judgement of Fate: Special attacks gets slight light damage and doom effect

Speed of Light: Dash is faster and has
slight light damage

Solar Flare: Throw turns in a Solar Flare that inflicts heavy light damage

leaden birch
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Also not doom since mixing multiple god things for another wouldn't work prob

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If light damage were just a damage add-on then it'd prob just add damage %
If it's magic damage it should have some unique property

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The cast could be sort of like a flashbang maybe?
Heavy damage but it also stuns/disorientates enemies for like 3-4 seconds

cursive ingot
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I have the 3 prong jab upgrade on the spear, would knock back or deflect be better on my attack?

cursive ingot
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Wow. I took the deflect and it’s trivialised every encounter so far. I’m up to the bull

cursive ingot
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Aaaand I just beat redacted for the first time with it

lyric hatch
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Sorry, didn't know effects were exclusive to some gods

leaden birch
leaden birch
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Light damage could probably rely on some kind of "blinding" effect

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or maybe a burn effect
Though that'd have to be a thing for a hestia concept too

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The special could maybe send out rays of light that "blind" enemies for a bit and deal decent damage

lyric hatch
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Yours is a good idea tho

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Maybe we should make our brains work together to get a nice debuff

leaden birch
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so sorta like stun + dollar store hangover

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wouldn't stack hence the bigger damage per second

lyric hatch
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You are a genius

leaden birch
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brain

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The special could also send out more rays of light with higher damage the bigger the level and rarity ofc

lyric hatch
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Indeed

leaden birch
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Now we could think of something for Apollo and Hestia maybe

lyric hatch
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Hmmm

leaden birch
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Apollo's would be sound/dance based
Gives every strike a different sound/note or whatever
Maybe the type of instrument for the sound/note changes every level or rarity

lyric hatch
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Right

leaden birch
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Like maybe electric guitar for heroic/legendary

lyric hatch
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I had an idea: Celestial Symphony as a sound based attack

leaden birch
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right

lyric hatch
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Ye

leaden birch
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What would it do though

lyric hatch
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It would be top tier

leaden birch
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Could be a basic damage up or a sound-up

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Oh

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in terms of a debuff/special thing

lyric hatch
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Like adds heavy sound damage

leaden birch
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yea

lyric hatch
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Also, for special I would say "Divine Crescendo"

leaden birch
lyric hatch
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Deafened

leaden birch
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Unsure what it could do though to not just be a copy of

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Blinded / or frozen

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Chilled*

lyric hatch
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Like, it makes enemies less likely to dodge attacks

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I think

leaden birch
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...Don't think they can dodge in the normal sense

lyric hatch
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Oh

leaden birch
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Well intentionally anyway

lyric hatch
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Maybe add more damage

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Now, for the dash I'd say "Scatto Allegro"

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Which means Allegro Dash in Italian

leaden birch
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Right

leaden birch
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Maybe a damage up and uhh
Enemies have a harder time locking onto you
Like, targeting you

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Also a 10-20% chance to mi- wait actually

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A chance to miss attacks would make more sense for blinded

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Since they're "blind" and can't see where they're hitting

lyric hatch
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Right

leaden birch
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We now have stun available for the sound thing

lyric hatch
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You are very intelligent

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We may work together: I create the ideas, you help me realize them

leaden birch
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Meh I guess just
Discussing random ideas is fun

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Ok anyway I came up with

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A thing for the debuff

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Deafened

Deafens foes temporarily, stunning them for 2-3 seconds. Enemies need 50-70% more time to target/lock onto you

lyric hatch
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Also, a throw attack for Apollo

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Pick Boomerang

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Like the throw becomes a guitar pick that comes back to you like a boomerang

leaden birch
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Maybe

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Or something different

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Sound amplifier
Upon using cast, you spawn a zone in which your inflicted "Deafened" effects are more prominent, longer-lasting.
Damage up too, I guess.

lyric hatch
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Nice

arctic flax
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bouldy battie or skelly?

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which companion is best in yalls opinions

reef zodiac
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Batty is so good

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Definitely the best one

modern hull
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I just had a crazy run with apsect of hera, aphro attack, phalanx shot and parting shot

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I only got it bc i wanted to get parting shot for the prophecy but its turned out amazing and i broke my record (i also defeated dad without god mode)

pseudo kernel
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Wow

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well done

lyric hatch
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What other god could be cool for Hades?

tough pelican
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I feel like Pan could be cool as a deity not only for lore but also because he could have something to do with Fauns in the last part of the run

rich gulch
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a secret boss

tough pelican
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Whoa

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He did have some beef with Athena in the original myth I think

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Pan wanted to be with her because he was blinded by her beauty so he chased her around so to hide from him she turned into a reed and out of sadness pan made his famous flute out of a reed

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He also had some beef with Apollo (god of the Sun) but sadly enough he's not in the game

tough pelican
tough pelican
dawn shard
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I would have also loved to see Hera or Hephaestus, he could have been like the way to upgrade your weapons instead of it just being „here! Titan Blood!“ even though I think it‘s totally fine the way it already is.

tough pelican
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Exactly

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Or the thing with the hammers for upgrades for your weapons within the run idk

dawn shard
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Yeah idk I do like the idea of Daedalus but it would have made more sense imo if it were Hephaestus but more people know about Daedalus I think

tough pelican
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Oooooh Daedalus

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Yeah Daedalus seems to be more popular in general

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Or wait no ICARUS

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Everyone knows Icarus (I think)

dawn shard
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Well yeah and that‘s why more people know Daedalus than Hephaestus, he‘s not one of the really known gods like Zeus or Athena but everyone know about the story of Icarus and Daedalus so I see why they chose to use him as the one to make stuff in the underworld and leave the hammers behind

tough pelican
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Yeah, fair enough

reef zodiac
tough pelican
dawn shard
reef zodiac
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They’re not basically boons though

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You can only get two a run

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And you can’t reroll them

tough pelican
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Really?

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I didn't know that

reef zodiac
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And there’s no rarity or duos or legendary

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And the game actually tries to make you get two per run

dawn shard
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I‘m saying from a gameplay perspective. Like yes they aren‘t boons but their purpose is very similar

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And if they were to make a Hephaestus character the closest thing I can think of that would be accurate is to also make him change your weapon in some way for the run

reef zodiac
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The part where you can’t reroll hammers is key here

tough pelican
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I'm thinking they could introduce Hephaestus as god of fire cause he was technically also the god of fire

reef zodiac
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You can’t persuade a hammer to give you different options

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If it was Hephaestus, then that wouldn’t make sense

tough pelican
dawn shard
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It isn‘t for the discussion imo, we‘re talking about potential characters and what they could have been and why they weren‘t chosen/ changed and you are making a case for why one is better. They could have just as well called the hammer Hephaestus hammer too but they also didn‘t choose to do that

tough pelican
tough pelican
reef zodiac
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It serves a purpose

dawn shard
# reef zodiac It’s party to signify it’s uniqueness from boons

Yes but that is not the point we were discussing, we weren‘t talking about the difference between hammers and boons, and yes there is obviously a difference but the difference did not matter for the topic, because again they could have kept the whole hammer thing the same but with a different name

reef zodiac
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I guess

dawn shard
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Anyways, Prometheus would have been cool too I think

tough pelican
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Definitely

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Maybe something to do with Zagreus helping Prometheus and Zeus punishing him for doing so

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That'd be interesting to see

dawn shard
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Trying to beat Zeus would have been fun in general I think

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Like as a friendly fight in theory, makes no sense for the story but I would have loved the challenge I feel

tough pelican
dawn shard
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I remember a boat and great flood in greek mythology too but I don‘t remember much else. I just remember it because i was so fascinated that they would have a great flood too like Christianity does.

tough pelican
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I think they might have had two of them

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I could be wrong though

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I need to look into it again

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There was also a legend about a man who had this party at his house
And Zeus disguised himself as a man and went to the party
So the man decided to have some fun and fed him a servant's meat
Obv Zeus being Zeus knew about it
So he was so enraged he demanded an offering
And the man offered his son
And Zeus was so enraged at the man offering his own son like that that he put a curse on the man and his family

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But it gets better

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The man is then furious at Zeus
So what does he do? He goes and tries to murder Zeus himself. 200 IQ
Zeus obv doesn't get murdered and turns the man into some sort of wolf-ish creature that goes around killing people

mint coral
high island
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Why talk about lesser gods when you should be praising Lady Aphrodite.

tough pelican
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And the man's son then spends his life trying to hunt his father down

high island
tough pelican
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I don't remember names but that was some wacky story

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Hehe I think we all know why lady Aphrodite is venerated in this game

mint coral
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Her boons are great

tough pelican
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True

high island
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Lady Aphrodite is perfectly perfect in every way.

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And she's the main character.

tough pelican
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What-

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How

high island
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What?

leaden birch
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holy

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just unlocked the aspect of lucifer

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this thing is BADASS

tough pelican
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What does it do

mint coral
leaden birch
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it shoots a LASER OF HELLFIRE

high island
mint coral
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There it is

leaden birch
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and for the special it shoots a fire orb bomb thingy

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that explodes in like 3-5 seconds

tough pelican
leaden birch
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big explosion!!

tough pelican
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For what weapon is this

mint coral
high island
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There's also canon dialogue between Zag and Dusa where Dusa tells Zag that Lady Aphrodite is the main character.

tough pelican
high island
leaden birch
mint coral
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Oh never saw that one lol

leaden birch
modern hull
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I have all hearts maxed with dusa when can i ask her out? (I know she will reject and give me back my gifts)

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I just want those nectars back

high island
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After... more dialogue.

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Dialogue dialogue dialogue. dusa

tough pelican
reef zodiac
tough pelican
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Thanks

rich gulch
tough pelican
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Ares*

reef zodiac
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S: Zeus, Aphrodite, Artemis
A: Athena, Poseidon
B: Ares, Dionysus
C: Demeter

modern hull
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Zeus is not really an S class

tough pelican
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Although the Poseidon dash is super op

reef zodiac
signal aspen
tough pelican
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Lmao

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Hermes sucks ass

reef zodiac
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What

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Bruh

tough pelican
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Idk to me at least he's not super useful

reef zodiac
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5 dashes sucks ass apparently

signal aspen
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bruh moment

reef zodiac
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And 100% global damage increase

signal aspen
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double damage too

reef zodiac
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Totally garbage

tough pelican
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Ok fair enough

signal aspen
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me when somebody says greater recovery sucks 😔

mint coral
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Isnt that quick recovery?

signal aspen
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frick

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got confused with greater recall

reef zodiac
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Quick recovery is not great tbh

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Not awful

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But I’m not really a fan

tough pelican
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Idk my guess is I just usually don't use Hermes that much
Different builds ig

reef zodiac
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Uhh

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Pretty much every single weapon and aspect can benefit from Hermes

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Some more than others, but all are able to get hyper delivery and hyper delivery is insane

signal aspen
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what about greater delivery

reef zodiac
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Eh

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Less broken but still always good

high island
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Lord Hermes shows up in every run.

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So every build uses his boons in some way.

tough pelican
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Fair

high island
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He has some boons that do little to nothing, though, depending on your build.

reef zodiac
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Yeah he’s usually worth saving rerolls for

high island
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So you usually wanna make sure you have some Persuasion rerolls on hand for his boons.

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You can set your roles in #bot-commands by the way. dusa

tough pelican
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Oh crap I forgot about that lol

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Thanks

reef zodiac
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Nope I’m good

glossy remnant
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jokes aside the auto charge of your ultimate? I love him for that

gray apex
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Just get smoldering air for that

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Gods' Favor is quite slow

glossy remnant
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How about both

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both is good

reef zodiac
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Lol

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Smair giving you 5% every second and quick favor giving you 0.5% every second

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Wow

twin thistle
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aint it quick favor

reef zodiac
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Yeah

signal aspen
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quick favor pretty pog

reef zodiac
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Quick favor is okay

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Did you know that blade dash is basically quick favor

twin thistle
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but yeah stuff like hyperdelivery and greatest reflex are great for any build

reef zodiac
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GR is honestly not too helpful for shields but even then it’s not bad

slim geyser
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poseidon could honestly be b tier though
if not for splash dash and his teir 2 boons

reef zodiac
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Yes

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Absolutely

raw herald
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My list is the only valid list

pseudo kernel
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which is your list?

raw herald
pseudo kernel
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It is the only one that everyone can agree on

raw herald
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See

reef zodiac
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I’d give up one Hermes for Tartarus Demeter in my 50+ heat Beo runs

raw herald
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Dem is probably the second best god in high heat

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Joint second id say with Aphrodite

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Oh yeah hermes

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Joint 3rd

hot reef
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dio so low 😭

reef zodiac
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Nah dem is only good because snow burst

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Dio is bad Zeus

hot reef
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strong drink is one of my favorite boons

reef zodiac
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Why

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Lmao

raw herald
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Attack, killing freeze

hot reef
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because im bad at the game

reef zodiac
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That doesn’t explain it

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The global damage is not very much tbh

raw herald
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Premium nectar is very good

hot reef
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yeah that too

reef zodiac
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Vintage is his best boon yeah

pseudo kernel
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i would like to understand aswell Isnt the global damage terrible

raw herald
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Hangover on attack/special is very viable

hot reef
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trippy flare is pretty good too

reef zodiac
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But even that is an unsellable boon that doesn’t actually contribute to your build

reef zodiac
raw herald
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It’s not good at high heat

reef zodiac
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It’s not good in any challenging situation tbh

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The only places it’s good is where anything is good

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So… it’s kinda not good

raw herald
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It’s the easiest way to instaphase dad

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And heroes

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And lernie

leaden birch
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still sorta think the garden was like

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a missed opportunity for house contractor stuff

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garden customization would've been nice

raw herald
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Yeah i agree

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It’s just kinda there

brisk trail
pseudo kernel
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Finally got Beo tomorrow i will do a beo run

high island
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You got Beo tomorrow? Congrats.

gray apex
hot reef
abstract epoch
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i was thinking some attacks other than aoe's would be unblockable

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but nope

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can even block dad's super laser move

frosty bluff
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Out of curiosity, is there any data showing what the average heat runs are? I am feeling pretty good about the fact that I can clear 20 heat runs but I am not sure if that is actually much of an accomplishment.

narrow hemlock
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tbh i would wager most of the playerbase doesnt consistently play higher than like maybe 8-12

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the people that do 20+ are a minority, and ones that clear 32+ smaller still

frosty bluff
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Ok

narrow hemlock
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supergiant had the player data during early access for what sort of heat levels, boons and such players used on their runs, theyve never released that ofc but the implication has been that most of the playerbase doesnt really climb heat much

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dont think that changed much after release bc a lot of people that got pulled in are pretty casual lol

frosty bluff
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Yeah, and I think hades extremely accessible gameplay leads to more casual play which is cool

narrow hemlock
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its really easy to get an impression on this server that 20 heat isnt much bc theres a lot of high 40+ heat players here but tbh i would still say thats pretty good. i dont enjoy the heat climb myself, i dont think i really bothered past like 16-20 honestly

twin thistle
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if you go by steam achievements only like half of people with the game have completed a run, half of that ten runs, then half and half again 8 and 16 heats

narrow hemlock
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13.3% have cleared 8 heat and 6.9% have cleared 16 heat, so yeah the vast majority of players just do not climb heat

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statistics on other platforms are probably going to be really similar

crude surge
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oh wow didn't know it was that small

slim geyser
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does anyone know where Nyaanyaa’s beginner guide on aspects went

hot reef
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do y'all like the bouldy companion?

reef zodiac
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No

hot reef
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damn

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i don't use companions a lot anyways so i think im gonna keep it on just because it's really funny to look at

slim geyser
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yes

hot reef
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utility? don't need it
bouldy slamming onto someone's head? require it

reef zodiac
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I like starting champions with 5000 free damage

hot reef
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i like having a giant boulder with a face on it hit my opponents

reef zodiac
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Fair enough

high island
pseudo kernel
fast willow
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then hes good zeus

crude surge
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is he tho thanthink

fast willow
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yeah

leaden birch
brisk trail
leaden birch
iron oyster
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good god i'm absolutely terrible at ranged weapons

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i really should stick to melee

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chiron didn't work well

pseudo kernel
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chiron is hard tho at low levels

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the only weapon i cant get right now is fists

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not once have i gotten to the surface with them, its just too difficult for me

brisk trail
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I have like 35 attempts, and I won only 2 or 3 times, with the same build: zagreus spear super buffed with explosive hammer. I want other good builds, not necessary for other weapons, just good stuff in general

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this is a good game and I want to play it again

wind goblet
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does getting a dash strike ugrade void my dash upgrades?

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what i mean is, if i get a dash strike upgrade does the game think that i already have dash upgrades?

reef zodiac
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What

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Are you referring to Hunter Dash?

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If it goes in your core boon slot then yes, it is the only dash boon you can get

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If not, then no

wind goblet
reef zodiac
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Hunter dash goes into your core boon slot

leaden birch
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Okay

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what are themes

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and why do they cost so much

reef zodiac
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They’re purely cosmetic

leaden birch
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ooho

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oh

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I see now

leaden birch
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Is the aspect of Beowulf good?

raw herald
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Very

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It’s hard to play well but it is one of the strongest in the game when build right

iron oyster
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Should I go for Hera

wind goblet
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i caught a fish for the first time!

iron oyster
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Or keep on trying to go for Chiron

compact dawn
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Do the effects of every Keepsake remain after you switch to another Keepsake mid escape attempt? Please ping me if you know

iron oyster
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They’re disabled after you switch

compact dawn
compact dawn
iron oyster
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No problem

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Made the same mistake when I started out

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Grave mistake, assuming that I could survive the first few hits from hades

brisk trail
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you keep the pom blossom upgrades tho

iron oyster
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Debuff boons*

raw herald
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And the coin purse

compact dawn
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Debuff poms? What do you mean

raw herald
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You don’t lose the money from that

compact dawn
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Oh right

brisk trail
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ye ik, I just thought it was worth mentioning

iron oyster
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But yeah those 2 you keep the buffs

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For the Pom, it would make people mad
For the purse, it’s a one time buff

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Well, to be fair both would make people mald if it just took off like 5 levels or 150 coins

raw herald
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I’d be pretty mad if I suddenly lost 150

iron oyster
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Yeah

compact dawn
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How do I unlock the hidden aspects for the shield, bow, fists and adamant rail?

pseudo kernel
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I dunno how i did it i think you have to unlock all the aspects prior to the secret ones and then talk to specific people. like for shield i spoke to chaos for the bow i spoke to artemis etc. I havent got them all yet but thats as good advice as i can give

leaden birch
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And then you should

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Get the task eventually

compact dawn
leaden birch
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The phrase

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oh

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Then it'll come eventually

pseudo kernel
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it takes time

leaden birch
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Just make sure to

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Keep talking to the npcs

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I guess

compact dawn
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I saw on some guides it said that you need to have specific weapon equipped when talking to the relevant NPC

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Is that true?

leaden birch
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I don't think it is

pseudo kernel
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no

leaden birch
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I got 2 secret aspects left

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The fists and the bow

pseudo kernel
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same here

leaden birch
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Wonder what it's gonna be

pseudo kernel
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fist and rail

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bow is fun

leaden birch
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Though if I were to guess who's gonna give me the

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Awakening phrases

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I'd guess Demeter for fists and the huntress person for the bow

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I forgot

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The name

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💀

pseudo kernel
#

artemis

leaden birch
#

Artemis

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Of course

pseudo kernel
#

haja

tough pelican
#

All hail the huntress person

compact dawn
#

Is 16 minutes 07 seconds considered a fast time for Hades?

reef zodiac
#

It’s all relative

#

If you’re proud of it, that’s all that matters

compact dawn
#

Yeah I'm proud of it, I'm pretty sure the speedrunners do it in like 5 minutes somehow

#

IGT of course

gray apex
#

Yea

reef zodiac
#

Someone’s always* gonna be able to do it faster

gray apex
#

There’s lots of rng to it aside from the skill and decision-making required, so people cant get sub6s on any run

compact dawn
#

I'm proud of this time in particular because I went from a PB of 21 minutes 55 seconds to 16 minutes 07 seconds

compact dawn
gray apex
#

Yea that’s a good time then

#

Sub20 is within TD3 pace aswell so that’s kinda nice if you plan on pushing heat and become more and more consistent at handling multiple pacts and still getting sub20

compact dawn
#

TD3?

gray apex
#

Tight Deadline 3

#

So 5 minutes per biome

fast willow
#

:croven:

gray apex
#

The Beowulf gang is gonna bop Croven

#

Soon™️

modern hull
#

Do i need the shield equipped for chaos to tell me about beowulf and the fists for asterius? Those are the only secret aspects i dont have

#

I have met them so many times but neither of them will comment dusa

gray apex
#

Yea

modern hull
#

Really? None of the other aspects needed that

gray apex
#

You need to have the weapon equipped until they comment about it

#

Then you can remove it

reef zodiac
leaden birch
#

which aspect of the spear is the best

#

including guan yu

raw herald
#

Achilles

pseudo kernel
#

And Guan Yu is just

signal aspen
#

Zagreus

strong ridge
#

achilles cast niceu

leaden birch
#

Ok now that I actually understand what achilles does

#

Yeah this is a good aspect

pseudo kernel
#

what does it do?

reef zodiac
#

250% cast damage

leaden birch
#

what

pseudo kernel
#

so you arent playing Spear you are playing cast

strong ridge
#

yes

leaden birch
#

no

reef zodiac
#

I mean you definitely emphasize the cast

leaden birch
#

Post-Rush Bonus Damage
(+50% / +75% / +100% / +125% / +150%)

for next 4 Attacks / Casts

Not listed: decrease Special range by 10%.
Special is charged now. The longer you hold it the farther it'll go.

reef zodiac
#

Unless you have flurry jab

leaden birch
#

spear

reef zodiac
#

+150%

leaden birch
#

up to +150

reef zodiac
#

Aka 250%

strong ridge
#

+150 + base

raw herald
#

How is it 250%

leaden birch
#

I understand how to use the rush now

#

didn't really think it was that good when

strong ridge
leaden birch
#

I first used it

reef zodiac
raw herald
#

Oh

#

Just say +150% lmao

strong ridge
#

fair

reef zodiac
#

No squirtyay

raw herald
#

It’s not a multiplicative increase

#

So it’s not 2.5x

reef zodiac
#

Just like how speeder FO2 enemies are 210% of their normal speed

pseudo kernel
#

why would you say +150% when its added to base like doesnt it just make sense to say 250%

reef zodiac
#

Either makes sense

#

Obviously

#

But tbh +150% is simpler

#

And more clear

strong ridge
#

it is

#

however its good to know why its simpler

pseudo kernel
#

so it really is just preferance

reef zodiac
#

No, +150% is more clear

#

That it’s additive

raw herald
#

It says +150% in the description

#

Any amount of additive damage makes it not 250% anymore

#

Whereas +150% is always +150%

alpine sierra
#

oh my g

#

the boss room in the Styx with the giant rat and giant botherer thing

#

absolutely AWFUL with fists and that heat thing that makes you take more damage from traps

#

that was such an unnecessary death defiance loss

strong ridge
#

ahem
skil isue

alpine sierra
#

okay 20 heat redacted with no death defiance left here we go

compact dawn
# gray apex Then you can remove it

Hmmm, Chaos and Asterius have made their relevant comments on Shield and Fists ages ago but I still haven't got the words for their hidden aspects

pseudo kernel
#

Wait… i found styx easier with fists

alpine sierra
#

ordinarily yes

#

but not in that boss room

signal aspen
reef zodiac
alpine sierra
#

two heavily armored boss enemies that fill the entire screen with attacks that you have to get close to to damage is

#

ow

raw herald
#

HS sucks

strong ridge
#

fr!

reef zodiac
#

Yeah wait do not use Hs at 20 lmao

raw herald
#

HS is really good though

alpine sierra
#

Well I don't know

reef zodiac
#

Enjoy eating 150 to a hades pot

strong ridge
#

scrumptous

alpine sierra
#

this is fine

signal aspen
alpine sierra
pseudo kernel
#

should be fun

strong ridge
#

when hades battle pass

pseudo kernel
#

burning i mean

raw herald
#

Just get sure footing

alpine sierra
#

I would if Athena let me have it lmao

#

got blocked by ANOTHER one of my heat things

#

as did Long Knuckle making that Styx fight even HARDER

#

it's just been a struggle of a run through and through

raw herald
#

Don’t use approval process lmao

#

It also sucks

reef zodiac
#

Bruh

#

Why

strong ridge
#

chad pact

reef zodiac
#

Why AP at 20

strong ridge
#

inb4 em4 no dd clear

raw herald
#

Chad pact is RI0AP0 50

signal aspen
#

Madlad

raw herald
#

AND EM4

#

You gonna die

alpine sierra
#

bruh I don't know what I'm doing I'm winging it lmao

#

it's been working so far

compact dawn
pseudo kernel
#

fair enough

signal aspen
#

Nice

pseudo kernel
strong ridge
#

i mean the game does start with a ri4 so \0/

raw herald
#

Why bother optimising life tbf

#

More fun

reef zodiac
alpine sierra
#

okay redacted was going fine until he threw about seven green skulls at once

strong ridge
#

now its goin betr

signal aspen
#

Might as well turn on ap2 since you have ap1

alpine sierra
#

phase 2 with 51 health easy peasy

raw herald
#

Just do em5

strong ridge
#

i wish ther was a taunt button

#

for zag to taunt

signal aspen
#

Fortnite emotes in hades

strong ridge
#

pls

pseudo kernel
#

And it would add to your god gauge

#

like heat in a yakuza game

signal aspen
#

Gain 25% god gauge lose 40 hp

alpine sierra
reef zodiac
#

Yep

#

Heightened Security

signal aspen
#

HS moment

compact dawn
#

Heightened security is 400% damage from traps right?

strong ridge
#

yer

alpine sierra
#

yeah it's hard

pseudo kernel
#

woah

compact dawn
pseudo kernel
#

thats alot oh damage

alpine sierra
#

especially in Asphodel. and Elysium. and well everywhere

signal aspen
#

Perfect pact for 20 heat

strong ridge
#

after ely traps can end u run it’s a good time

pseudo kernel
alpine sierra
#

look okay when I read it I thought "that's fine I don't get hit by traps much"

signal aspen
#

It's not that bad just don't get hit

alpine sierra
#

and this Pact makes me realise I in fact, do.

pseudo kernel
#

and god forbid you make a mistake fighting hades

#

🙃

strong ridge
signal aspen
#

I didn't start using HS until 40+ heat

alpine sierra
#

I took 100 damage from two separate elysium traps in the same room it was not pleasant

reef zodiac
#

HS is for 40+, yeah

alpine sierra
#

again, another enemy that's hell without Long Knuckle

#

goddamn flame wheels

#

"alright ill just bait them into walls" faceplants an arrow

pseudo kernel
#

Pain

alpine sierra
#

I love the fists but boy

sometimes they've got some shortcomings

reef zodiac
#

Yeah like first off

#

They suck

pseudo kernel
#

they really are just

#

oof

#

they got me my fastest run so far yesterday

alpine sierra
#

they're so much fun but man when they're not working

pseudo kernel
#

i think it was like sub 20 but damn was it a luck out

alpine sierra
#

they're REALLY not working

pseudo kernel
#

at high heat i can imagine all the pain

reef zodiac
#

They’re so bad

#

It’s rough

#

Definitely worst heat weapon

alpine sierra
#

but

#

fun :)

reef zodiac
#

Eh, I personally like not dying so they’re not for me

#

I did actually use fists when I was first starting out

signal aspen
#

skill issue

reef zodiac
#

Talos went from my favorite aspect to my least favorite aspect

pseudo kernel
#

i much prefer the sword on Arthur

#

man that was so fast

signal aspen
#

Arthur residentzag

reef zodiac
#

Lmao

#

Did you call Arthur fast

pseudo kernel
#

wellll

reef zodiac
#

Isn’t it like the literal slowest aspect in the game

pseudo kernel
#

yeah 😭

signal aspen
#

It fast tho

pseudo kernel
#

i played it fast

#

it can be fast

reef zodiac
#

Can it

#

I guess it depends on how you define fast

pseudo kernel
#

but damn that attack wind up

signal aspen
reef zodiac
#

Depends on your definition of fast

#

Faster than other players play the aspect? Yes

#

Still a minute and 20 seconds behind Hera

#

Aka behind Croven

#

Wait now that sounds like I’m trying to say Croven is better than Magnil which isn’t what I’m trying to say

#

On modded the gap is even bigger

turbid scroll
#

yo

#

is it just me or is the bow kinda bad?

#

like its too slow

reef zodiac
#

Literally less than 5 messages above, I mention that bow has the speedrun anyheat world record

gray apex
#

That doesn't help bouldy

reef zodiac
#

So no, it’s not particularly slow I would say

gray apex
#

Hammers are also a big portion of your scaling

#

Twin Shot / Triple Shot / Perfect Shot / Point-Blank are the go-tos usually

#

Explosive and Flurry good second hammers

pseudo kernel
#

man i have had fun with all the weapons really but the bow takes some getting used to i must say

signal aspen
reef zodiac
#

Or Hera

#

Or even just heart rend Chiron

pseudo kernel
#

i havent gotten a clear with rama yet but i have had alot of fun with it

reef zodiac
#

you’re not doing special only are you

pseudo kernel
#

have gotten my clear with Hera tho

raw herald
#

Special only is good 😦

pseudo kernel
#

pardon?

raw herald
#

Using only the special on Rama

reef zodiac
#

A lot of newer players just spam special and ignore the attack that can power shot for nearly 200 on enemies with shared suffering without any boons

raw herald
#

It only needs a million Zeus boons

#

To be good

signal aspen
#

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

pseudo kernel
#

bruh

brisk trail
#

copypasta

signal aspen
#

nah i typed all of that

reef zodiac
#

That’s why if you search for it in this server you’ll only find it that one time bouldy

brisk trail
#

indeed

strong ridge
raw herald
#

Special only lucifer bouldy

pseudo kernel
#

that message is so long its glitched my screen

reef zodiac
strong ridge
#

capmongus

reef zodiac
#

Lucifer is extremely mid tier

#

It beat 60 heat

#

So

raw herald
#

No it didn’t

reef zodiac
#

Oh

#

Right

signal aspen
#

damue

reef zodiac
signal aspen
strong ridge
#

lucifer more like sucks

raw herald
#

L ucifer

reef zodiac
#

Still a good aspect. Worse than Eris and Hestia, but still better than most sword/spear/fists

#

It’s probably in the upper 50% of aspects

high island
#

Lucifer Aspect is very good. thanthink

raw herald
#

All rail aspects are

reef zodiac
#

Yeah Rail good

#

Lucifer isn’t amazing but it’s extremely far from trash

raw herald
#

There are 5 aspects that are just so far ahead of the game

#

For speed

reef zodiac
#

Hera, Achilles, Beo, Eris…

raw herald
#

Gilga, Arthur, zag fists, talos and Chiron

reef zodiac
#

Hestia?

signal aspen
#

rama

raw herald
#

Hestia yeah

reef zodiac
raw herald
#

Me when the so called “meta” aspect has one run under 6:40 😅😂

reef zodiac
#

Wait which one

#

Hestia?

raw herald
#

God no

#

Rama

reef zodiac
#

Oh

#

Yeah no Rama is not meta at all

#

It’s just Ocaml

strong ridge
#

shared suffering is a gimmick at best

high island
raw herald
#

Nah without it Rama would be ass

reef zodiac
#

I assume that was sarcasm

strong ridge
#

callback

reef zodiac
#

Probably a quote from the copypasta actually

#

Yeah

#

Figured

high island
#

Such a first-aspect-to-do-60 gimmick... like half a year before any other aspect.

raw herald
#

Hestiass

high island
#

#buffRama

raw herald
#

Ramawful

reef zodiac
strong ridge
#

zzz (me playing rama)

high island
#

The main issue with Lucifer Aspect is that Hestia and Eris exist.

strong ridge
#

real

reef zodiac
raw herald
#

Me playing Rama 🐪

reef zodiac
#

🐫🐪

brisk trail
#

whats the timing for hitting the shade? miniboss in tartaru with battie

raw herald
#

Sneak?

gray apex
#

Right as he teleports

raw herald
#

Summon as soon as it teleports

reef zodiac
#

As soon as it comes back after teleporting I thought?

brisk trail
#

as soon as he vanishes or re-appears?

gray apex
#

reappears

brisk trail
#

thank you

reef zodiac
#

Yeah he does a fake out at the beginning so just summon when he comes back from that

#

On FO0, the window is actually very lenient

brisk trail
#

what about FO1

reef zodiac
#

It’s still consistent on FO2

strong ridge
#

i always try it

reef zodiac
#

Just a bit more precise

#

Still pretty easy though Imo

brisk trail
#

alright thank you

#

chiron sucks against this thing lol

strong ridge
#

u can’t hesitate on the call is the biggest thing

reef zodiac
lyric hatch
#

"This is the tale of a time long ago...
The ancient gods were cruel and petty.
Only one man decided to challenge their might...

ZORRO!

And sometimes, Hercules too."

#

Now, imagine if Zorro was a support character in Hades
XD

strong ridge
#

aspect of zorro

lyric hatch
#

It would be a pointed sword

strong ridge
#

honestly kinda sad stygian doesn’t have a rapier archtype

reef zodiac
#

*stygius

devout terrace
reef zodiac
#

I forgot shadegrief

manic bobcat
pseudo kernel
#

yes

fast willow
#

the only uneasy one is bombers

#

because somehow the setup fails 50% of the time

#

and I have no idea how

#

I'm doing the exact same thing every time

#

but it just doesn't work sometimes

strong ridge
strong ridge
reef zodiac
#

Forgor isn’t funny bouldy

strong ridge
#

forgor bout it

reef zodiac
#

I don’t even try anymore

manic bobcat
#

I think Curse of the Dead Gods has rapier archetype?

#

Not sure though maybe I forgor 💀

strong ridge
#

hmmm

gray apex
#

bombers meg is the most garbage meg in the game

signal aspen
#

wait what

fast willow
#

the others are all super consistent

#

I still mess up power couple sometimes but that is totally my fault

manic bobcat
#

Bomber meg?

#

What

gray apex
#

I gotta learn the one in the middle of the arena instead

strong ridge
#

i have found moderate success getting the bombers to cluster by pillars

gray apex
#

kbm tech isnt consistent

signal aspen
#

i dont have a hard time with bomber meg

#

its pretty easy imo

gray apex
#

Which one do you use

manic bobcat
#

Tf is bomber meg

strong ridge
fast willow
signal aspen
#

this

gray apex
#

yea

reef zodiac
manic bobcat
#

Yeah but what does Meg has to do with it

gray apex
#

that one is consistent if you get it right

reef zodiac
#

Battie

fast willow
manic bobcat
#

Ty lmao

strong ridge
fast willow
#

it just doesn't work half the time

strong ridge
#

i try

manic bobcat
signal aspen
gray apex
#

I use the one where you dash straight up twice

fast willow
gray apex
#

That's the one im referring to

#

it's bad

#

just jump rng

fast willow
#

oh wait yeah this is a diff onethan the one I use oops looked at the diagram wrong

#

I use the one Mike described

manic bobcat
#

I just don't use Meg

fast willow
#

the second guy jumps correctly sometimes and sometimes he doesn't

signal aspen
#

i used to use that one

#

but i started to use the one in the diagram and got it a lot more

gray apex
#

op meg

fast willow
signal aspen
#

kbm

manic bobcat
#

Are we all speed running today or what

strong ridge
#

every day all day

fast willow
signal aspen
#

idk

#

ill make one bouldy

gray apex
#

there is

strong ridge
#

no stops
no gain without pain

gray apex
# fast willow is there a tutorial for this meg

https://youtu.be/8sNpMfJ5Tdw

YouTube
Dominic Sanders
Easy 4 witches + bombers meg setup for controller/mouse + keyboard

Important note on the savestates: make sure you keep them in the separate folders that they are in after unzipping because the save manager only deals with one "run" per folder.

SatanIsAChillGuy's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8
Speedrun.com's Hades resource page where Museus's SaveManager can be found: https://www.speedrun.c...

▶ Play video
fast willow
#

thanks

high island
gray apex
#

yea I dont use that Meg

#

Ill learn it at some point

high island
#

It's easy enough if you just keep in mind the bottom one will hop away if you're too far from him.

gray apex
#

It would probably be easier if I remembered to try it whenever I do get bombers bouldy

high island
#

Yeah, remembering things often helps, I've found.

floral sphinx
#

What favors must you do to unlock the olympian gods hearts?

mint coral
#

Depends on the god

#

They are in the wiki tho

fast willow
#

it's eris only

#

or any rail or bow ig

raw herald
#

Beo special

#

Or is this the bomber one

fast willow
#

yeah I'm talking about bomber

#

special would work but its like a 1s timeloss

wind goblet
#

you can fight charon? cool

gray apex
#

you can probably do it with just a standing attack

#

well atleast looks like it bouldy

flint breach
#

I hate this game sometimes, on a 34 heat run, got my build together in Tartarus but was missing Athena's dash, I entered fight with dad, still missing Athena's dash cause the game refused to give me it, used my keepsakes and authorities with 0 luck

signal aspen
#

are you going for ME or something?

flint breach
#

Yup

signal aspen
#

that makes sense lmao

flint breach
#

Oh well always a next time

#

Also what would yall say is the best aspect for fists? I'm between Demeter and hidden

signal aspen
#

dem is definitely the best

#

hidden is the worst

flint breach
#

Is it really that bad? I'd say with ME it would be awesome but haven't really tested

signal aspen
#

shortened dashes with longer cooldowns suck

#

and the attacks are way too clunky and slow

flint breach
#

Fair save myself some titan blood then

#

Thank you

signal aspen
#

and maim makes you take extra damage

tough pelican
#

What are the negative traits of the hidden aspect of the Adamant rail (Lucifer aspect)?

strong ridge
#

to get the good damage you need to stay on target since it is ramping damage
it also just doesnt do anything particularly great but like it works
but by virtue of being rail its not that bad

flint breach
strong ridge
#

rail and zeus r matchmade

flint breach
#

You get that and then all you need is infinite ammo hammer and you're good to go

reef zodiac
signal aspen
#

eternal chamber residentzag

reef zodiac
#

Eternal Chamber is not good

#

It can be decent

#

But it’s definitely not great

#

And in many situations is actually detrimental

strong ridge
#

worse delta chamber

flint breach
strong ridge
#

champ josh i recomend u take zeus eris out 4 a spin ; )

reef zodiac
#

It’s also not “very safe”

flint breach
#

Ye this is why you shouldn't take my advice

reef zodiac
#

Because you have no i-frames while pressing attack

strong ridge
#

-no iframes
-very safe
cope /s

reef zodiac
#

And the windup is quite bad so you get punished for releasing attack

reef zodiac
strong ridge
#

yes

reef zodiac
#

I don’t get it

strong ridge
#

its is very cool to say no iframes is safe

reef zodiac
#

How

#

Not having i-frames is the definition of unsafe

signal aspen
strong ridge
#

sigh

reef zodiac
#

I’ve been saying the whole time that it’s not safe because there are no i-frames

strong ridge
#

ok so i was taking his side since it is gigachad to say noiframes is safe even though it is very clearly not true
but like i didnt think it would get this derailed so oops

#

if it was unclear that is myb

high island
devout terrace
#

Shocking

pseudo kernel
#

only if it has a Zeus boon

crude surge
leaden birch
#

BRO

#

THE BLOOD RIFT FROM THE CAST ONCE I LOAD IT INTO BEOWULF'S SHIELD

#

THAT THING IS MASSIVE

mint coral
#

Slicing flare bouldy

crude surge
#

Slicing flare bouldy

twin thistle
#

slicing flare bouldy

signal aspen
#

slicing flare dusa

devout terrace
#

slicing flare zagluv

slim geyser
#

slicing flare thanthink

leaden birch
#

Flaring slice bouldy

limpid pecan
#

Hey! Can someone explain the "Dark Foresight" upgrade on the mirror?

abstract epoch
#

despite being a lot slower

#

the combo on excalibur i prefer

#

you get some big damage at least

twin thistle
limpid pecan
twin thistle
#

so boons, hearts, poms, gold, hammers

limpid pecan
#

Oh so you have a lesser chance to get darkness, gems, etc?

twin thistle
#

yeah

limpid pecan
#

Do you want that though?

twin thistle
#

darkness/gem rooms give pitiful amounts compared to bosses or troves

limpid pecan
#

Yea, that's true, I just see those rooms as "healing" though because I have the darkness healing upgrade

abstract epoch
#

yeah i think the best way to even farm darkness

pseudo kernel
#

10 darkness aint gonna get you far

abstract epoch
#

is just refight bosses on lower heat

#

since they always give decent darkness when defeated

twin thistle
#

3 health per room is much better

pseudo kernel
#

3 health per room is alot better

abstract epoch
#

the only flipside mirror ability i prefer is the bottom one

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where you can reroll boons

limpid pecan
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I'm taking dark regen and stubborn defiance,

twin thistle
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darkness rooms are especially useless if you have the upgrade that gives you rerolls from key rooms

abstract epoch
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stubborn defiance is not worth

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imo

twin thistle
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at low heat

limpid pecan
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Wait is deep pockets or golden wealth better?

abstract epoch
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i guess

twin thistle
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deep pockets

abstract epoch
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which one was that

limpid pecan
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I'm gonna swap out stubborn defiance and dark regen and see how it goes

twin thistle
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3rd from bottom

twin thistle
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fair enough

pseudo kernel
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how do bonds work. Like do they matter before i have gotten my 10 clears

abstract epoch
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no, since i think a lot of them require those 10 clears

twin thistle
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they dont do anything gameplay wise

pseudo kernel
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just story?

twin thistle
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yeah

pseudo kernel
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story now or after 10 clears

abstract epoch
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depends

twin thistle
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well they have dialogue attached to them and a couple are required for locked hearts. it isnt particularly related to story progression in general

abstract epoch
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i got my 10 clears, before i even advanced anyone to max bond

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mostly cause i was consistent with escaping

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and mostly cause the game is so dialogue heavy already

pseudo kernel
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i have maxed out 2 now and i love all the lil pieces of dialogue

abstract epoch
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that there is a "queue" before you can even advance past the "lock"

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only real bonds that stand out, are the ones you get companions from