Is that the sqme as the "as someone with..." Thread?
#h1-discussion
mint coral
fast willow
and unshakable mettle
and freezing vortex but youre never getting that one offered anyways
devout terrace
Is that the sqme as the "as someone with..." Thread?
Yeah
raw herald
That was a real head scratcher
signal aspen
I can't tell if this is a joke or not
rich gulch
Actually, I just made my first jump from 17 to 32 heat and it came in handy towards the end. Still got killed by dad, but it was still useful.
Oh, and divine dash. Gods, I wouldn't have lived without it.
high island
It does have a secondary function, yes.
hot reef
Oh, and divine dash. Gods, I wouldn't have lived without it.
Athena Boons >>>>
brisk trail
how does chain shot work with status effects?
raw herald
It spreads them
But here’s a tip
Don’t put status effects on your attack on bow
Unless it’s weak or chill
brisk trail
really? huh never knew thanks
hot reef
ugh. stuck at work. hades on the brain
oak ibex
Mood
oblique isle
i need 3152 crystals for nyx and chaos reuniting 😭😭😭
brisk trail
wait so i have heard that you unlock rama with talking to artemis
how do you talk to artemis? is it just the normal boon that she gives? should i give her nectar or what?
gray apex
Yea it's just the normal boon
No nectar needed
When you pick up her boon she could mention it
brisk trail
i see
thank you
should i have the bow on?
brisk trail
brisk trail
just finally beat extreme measure theseus and asterious for the first time
severe agate
What's the easiest way to get titan blood?
raw herald
Kill the furies and the final boss with weapons you haven’t done before
reef zodiac
Pretty much
brisk trail
Doing the same thing at different heat level also gives you titan blood
severe agate
Yea I just reached the point where I can do a heat level
reef zodiac
Playing the game gives you rewards. That’s pretty reasonable
severe agate
Like I just beat the game
severe agate
Playing the game gives you rewards. That’s pretty reasonable
Never said it wasn't reasonable mate
Thanks though
gray apex
Some Prophecies are easy to do
brisk trail
Like I just beat the game
You just beat part of the game
reef zodiac
Oh that’s true there’s some prophecies
severe agate
I escaped once*
brisk trail
That's the only way isn't it
get money and buy one in styx
severe agate
Is there a way to actually beat the game?
gray apex
wdym
brisk trail
get money and buy one in styx
you can do that each run and make stonks blood
brisk trail
Is there a way to actually beat the game?
Escape a certain amount of times and you'll get different endings
gray apex
you can do that each run and make stonks blood
Sometimes it's a Diamond not Titan Blood
brisk trail
The true ending is after 8 or so
gray apex
50/50
brisk trail
Is there a way to actually beat the game?
what do you mean by beat the game
reef zodiac
Is there a way to actually beat the game?
There’s a “true ending”/epilogue
brisk trail
Sometimes it's a Diamond not Titan Blood
yeah but you cant go wrong with either
gray apex
eh
You can maybe do that if you're consistent at winning
And at that point why
But if you cant beat the game consistently yet then might aswell buy upgrades for that gold instead of saving
So you have better odds of actually winning
brisk trail
if you can beat the game with each weapon aspect at max heat unseeded i would consider that the true end of content
since if you can do that then nothing is challenging and fun
twin thistle
good luck with that
brisk trail
good luck with that
nah im not even gonna try
maybe i will try max heat at one point but i wont be try harding
twin thistle
just some casual 64 heat
reef zodiac
maybe i will try max heat at one point but i wont be try harding
Max heat?
gray apex
reef zodiac
not this again
gray apex
I think most people who refer to max heat either mean 32 heat or are totally clueless
brisk trail
just some casual 64 heat
no i meant im not gonna make it my only goal maybe just a run once a week
brisk trail
I think most people who refer to max heat either mean 32 heat or are totally clu...
no no no
i meant 64
reef zodiac
no i meant im not gonna make it my only goal maybe just a run once a week
Start with 32
gray apex
And do you have a basic understanding of the pacts?
brisk trail
im still fairly new but i believe i can at least reach hades
reef zodiac
I feel like I have this conversation every week
gray apex
yea
reef zodiac
im still fairly new but i believe i can at least reach hades
At 64 heat?
brisk trail
And do you have a basic understanding of the pacts?
ueah some what
reef zodiac
Bro you won’t beat chamber 3 at 64 heat
brisk trail
Bro you won’t beat chamber 3 at 64 heat
im talking about "some point"
not now
for now im just learning
reef zodiac
Baj hasn’t even reached Hades at unmodded 64 heat (has he?)
gray apex
64 Heat has a lot of massive obstacles and one of them is RI4 which means you have no death defiances and LC4 means no healing at all
Those are just 2
reef zodiac
And he has literally thousands of hours in the game
gray apex
Your run has to be perfect
reef zodiac
You can get hit maybe 4 times total
twin thistle
id say its enough of an accomplishment making it to furies
reef zodiac
In the whole run
gray apex
64 heat isnt a reasonable goal
reef zodiac
id say its enough of an accomplishment making it to furies
I agree
gray apex
for anyone
reef zodiac
Yep
brisk trail
Baj hasn’t even reached Hades at unmodded 64 heat (has he?)
yeah but if my goal will be easy and beatable why even try to do it?
being somewhat impossible makes it way more fun
brisk trail
id say its enough of an accomplishment making it to furies
then im scared
reef zodiac
I literally have this conversation every week
twin thistle
whats the highest heat youve done?
reef zodiac
God damn it
brisk trail
whats the highest heat youve done?
3 maybe?😂
i said im new
but really like the game and probably would play it to death
reef zodiac
gray apex
I feel like most people who try to set these unreasonable goals very early on are the ones who also end up not making it to even 50 and 50 isnt even easy but it's miles easier than 64
twin thistle
tbh if you havent done at least 40 heat you cant really understand the implications behind 64 heat
reef zodiac
I had this conversation literally two days ago
gray apex
not even comparable
gray apex
I feel like most people who try to set these unreasonable goals very early on ar...
And I think someone said this exact thing literally yesterday 
twin thistle
heat is on an exponential difficultly curve
brisk trail
I feel like most people who try to set these unreasonable goals very early on ar...
okay then my goal is 50 to beat the game
is that reasonable?
reef zodiac
The difference between 60 and 64 heat is probably about equal to the difference between 0 and 60 heat. Maybe larger.
twin thistle
50 is reasonable. highly difficult but not anywhere near 64
twin thistle
but thats a quite long term goal
gray apex
but it's gonna take a while
reef zodiac
okay then my goal is 50 to beat the game
is that reasonable?
50 is very hard but if you really really grind for it then you can do it. Might take a while though because it’s a real challenge
gray apex
you're not gonna jump from 3 to 50 or even 32 to 50
brisk trail
50 is reasonable. highly difficult but not anywhere near 64
alright then i would aim for that
we have norooz here so i have about 14 days completely free
this is the opportunity to grind
reef zodiac
Start with 32
twin thistle
start with 16
brisk trail
Start with 32
its just a difference of a 2 you know?
icy knoll
start with 0 to upgrade everything
twin thistle
thats a good option
reef zodiac
its just a difference of a 2 you know?
A difference of 29
brisk trail
is chiron bow good for that?
i have that maxed
reef zodiac
alright then i would aim for that
we have norooz here so i have about 14 days co...
I hope you know that you’re gonna need a lot more than 14 days to go from 3 to 50 heat
reef zodiac
is chiron bow good for that?
i have that maxed
Anything is fine at 32 heat
icy knoll
has anyone beaten 32 heat with no titan blood weapons
reef zodiac
Chiron is gonna be pretty rough at 50 though
brisk trail
I hope you know that you’re gonna need a *lot* more than 14 days to go from 3 to...
no i just need to get to like 32 or at leat 16 maybe?
icy knoll
level 1 zag aspect
reef zodiac
has anyone beaten 32 heat with no titan blood weapons
I could do that right now, it’s not very hard tbh
twin thistle
yeah. its pretty easy with like zag rail or shield
twin thistle
base shield and rail are extremely powerful
reef zodiac
no i just need to get to like 32 or at leat 16 maybe?
Oh yeah you could do that
twin thistle
yeah
reef zodiac
A good pact and a good mirror and a good build outline will help a lot too
twin thistle
32 is mostly about understanding building
brisk trail
A good pact and a good mirror and a good build outline will help a lot too
where can i get those?
like a spreadsheet?
reef zodiac
What aspect do you want to use
brisk trail
What aspect do you want to use
i found chiron and nemesis fun
reef zodiac
Some are easier than others but none are too hard
twin thistle
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide great starter for builds
twin thistle
theres a pact guide in #h1-high-heat-strategies pins
reef zodiac
Beo, Hestia, Eris, and Rama are probably the easiest 32 heat aspects imo
Chiron and Nemesis are gonna have a bit harder time (especially Nemesis, sword hard), but you could definitely do it
brisk trail
is the one pinned a good guide?
twin thistle
also this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/unknown.png
its good though personally i wouldnt recommend cf2
brisk trail
im sorry if im dumb what is cf2?
twin thistle
higher gold costs
brisk trail
i see
i never read the name
just the description
thanks for the help again appreciate it
reef zodiac
If you want you can show us your pact and aspect for critique because a good pact makes a huge difference
brisk trail
If you want you can show us your pact and aspect for critique because a good pac...
im just at 3 heat is it really important here?
brisk trail
yeah i thought so
reef zodiac
But play at your own pace
brisk trail
I thought you were going to jump to a much higher heat
i will try that tomorrow its 12:19 pm rn
reef zodiac
12:19? How are you in a different time zone by a 30 minute increment 
Is that a thing?
brisk trail
12:19? How are you in a different time zone by a 30 minute increment <:thanthink...
im in iran
reef zodiac
Hmm, I didn’t know time zones could work in 30 minute increments
I learned something new
rich gulch
32 heat is proving to be challenging.
reef zodiac
Share your pact and aspect
brisk trail
32 heat is proving to be challenging.
thats good then
you get bored if its easy
rich gulch
Share your pact and aspect
rich gulch
Hestia (it's in the picture!)
reef zodiac
Oh
I’m blind
Ok
A lot of things
- Do not do DC on Hestia
It’s so bad that the 60 heat Hestia run did RI3 before doing DC2
Literally don’t do DC on Hestia until 61 heat is what I’m saying
- Don’t do EM4
Definitely don’t do that
rich gulch
Umm, DC? Sorry for not knowing the acronym.
reef zodiac
Damage control
gray apex
- Don't do CP2
reef zodiac
- Do lasting consequences 4 with stubborn defiance
rich gulch
LC max, eh?
reef zodiac
- Do Tight Deadline 3 (or at least 2. TD0 at 32 is insane)
rich gulch
7 minutes. My gods.
gray apex
You just have to play overall better at bosses since your hp is gonna be smaller
rich gulch
I don't even have it fully upgraded. So I'll hope.
reef zodiac
Oh well you want maxed Hestia
gray apex
Hestia really likes levels
reef zodiac
Makes a big difference
devout terrace
What aspect
rich gulch
Hmm. In terms of maxed aspects, I do have default Varatha, Beowulf and Excalibur. The rest are here and there.
devout terrace
2. Don’t do EM4
em4 hestia is like the 2nd or 3rd best what are you talking about
reef zodiac
It’s 32 heat
rich gulch
So the idea for the build is that I'm putting it all into meme beans to let the game play itself for me.
gray apex
CP2
reef zodiac
They said they were struggling
reef zodiac
So the idea for the build is that I'm putting it all into meme beans to let the ...
???
reef zodiac
Then use Achilles?
devout terrace
hestia the beam aspect
reef zodiac
Why would you use a non-cast aspect for a cast build?
devout terrace
rich gulch
Easy - need that spread for the weak specials as well as rapid fire crit attacks for the strike.
I do want to have fun also.
rich gulch
You’re not using the normal attack on Hestia are you
Of course not. Mostly supplement the cast damage with the special.
reef zodiac
Meme beams with Achilles do 250% damage so you have to have a very good reason to give that up.
and that is not a good reason at all
gray apex
Why not supplement your cast damage with cast damage
reef zodiac
LMAO
gray apex
reef zodiac
Yeah for real though
gray apex
Achilles is just 150%
devout terrace
smh use zag sword
gray apex
You literally wont even need poms
devout terrace
high island
You always need pom-poms. It's essential accessory.
devout terrace
this is one of the worst runs I have ever watched
- heresy, 2. thunder dash sword lol. 3 . its fast asf
rich gulch
Bold of you to assume I find the logical choice more interesting. I could use Achilles Aspect, but I could just get Hazard Bomb on the rail and run around like crazy.
reef zodiac
I thought you said you were having trouble
gray apex
oh no it's thunder dash too
reef zodiac
That’s why
If you want to continue having trouble, continue with your strategy. You can do it if you keep trying. It’s not impossible. It’s just much harder (unnecessarily so)
rich gulch
Tell you what lad, let me try with this new Pact loadout and I'll get back to you 
reef zodiac
high island
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506944220737699843/950859151309959248/u...
You should use RI4.
reef zodiac
high island
I did it for some of my 32 Heat, and it was really easy.
twin thistle
whats happening now
rich gulch
You should use RI4.
Would that I knew what that stood for.
twin thistle
mirrorless
reef zodiac
twin thistle
may i ask why do i see dc2 and cp2 and whats the point of using hestia over eris if we are ignoring the attack
thats only 16. heres the optimal 32 heat hestia pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/897178943013126165/Hades_10_11_2021_10_43_51_AM.png
reef zodiac
DC2 on Hestia is just so bad
rich gulch
Mirrorless it is then.
reef zodiac
You do know we’re joking right
twin thistle
if you want to do meme beams dont do hestia anyways
it adds literally exactly nothing
reef zodiac
Yeah
raw herald
Better than meme beam Poseidon sword
high island
thats only 16. heres the optimal 32 heat hestia pact https://media.discordapp.ne...
I did something similar, minus the boons.
gray apex
the only reason it would be better is because you can ditch the casts and play hestia
raw herald
Exactly
high island
You do know we’re joking right
m not joking.
reef zodiac
You suggest playing with RI4 for a player’s first 32 heat when they’re struggling with it? Interesting
raw herald
yeah why not
high island
Not everyone is a scawedy pancake.
reef zodiac
Not everyone is a scawedy pancake.
So then the equivalent of that for you would be 52 heat RI4, right? Since you’re breaking a new heat PB with RI4? So since you’re not a scawedy pancake like I am…
raw herald
I’ll do it
reef zodiac
This is directed at Nyaanyaa specifically but you can do that if you for some reason want to
high island
I've done 52.
raw herald
I’m gonna do 67 heat one day
high island
m rooting for you.
high island
Working your way up to beating Tailesque's WR?
raw herald
Yeah still got a way to go
high island
You could either beat 153 Heat in under 41:52.36 or go for 154 Heat, I guess. Either would count as a barrel roll.
rich gulch
I'll try RI3, but it takes some getting accustomed to not having a double dash.
twin thistle
or just do ri0
high island
Hestia is still excellent with just a single dash.
high island
~~or just do ri0~~
𒀭Brightspear — Today at 10:04 PM
Bold of you to assume I find the logical choice more interesting.
Evidently not interested in popular pacts and strategies.
reef zodiac
I'll try RI3, but it takes some getting accustomed to not having a double dash.
It’s a joke. Do not do RI
high island
Who's joking?
oblique isle
what does the maim effect on aspect of gilgamesh do
oblique isle
Who's joking?
pov: unfunny
twin thistle
what does the maim effect on aspect of gilgamesh do
think of it as a really slow doom but while its active and hasnt procced damage yet you take 50% more damage and the enemy takes 25% more
devout terrace
pov: unfunny
reef zodiac
what does the maim effect on aspect of gilgamesh do
Hurt you
oblique isle
decided to use aspect of hera and it’s really good
rich gulch
Who's joking?
Court jesters, of which there are a few among us here.
brisk trail
this game got so fun now that i have all the hidden aspects
deep parrot
what files are essential to the Hades savedata (I don't mean an individual run mind you, I mean longterm progress)
I am deciding what data to keep from an old computer and what to transfer over and these save files are important to me
fleet quarry
Looking at all these screenshots is jaw dropping, I cant barely beat hades with one skull, and yall doin like 40.
reef zodiac
Just rolled Aphrodite twice with two core boon slots filled (special and cast) and couldn’t find her attack or her call 
AP0 is a scam
manic bobcat
imagine we have fall damage and Zag dies on impact the moment he lands on Tartarus
reef zodiac
Wait can double strike affect jolted?
high island
imagine we have fall damage and Zag dies on impact the moment he lands on Tartar...
He actually does, and everything after that is an illusion that flashes before his eyes before he dies.
manic bobcat
I think Hypnos would comment on that
reef zodiac
Man the Asterius slam hitbox (in front of him) is massive 
reef zodiac
Going from hitless attempts with Hestia to hitless attempts with Rama feels like going for speedrunning Beo to speedrunning Demeter
tawdry fossil
Why is it that all rail speedrunners get so up close when fighting hades instead of keeping their distance? From what I've seen, a lot of them seem to take a lot of damage when using rail specifically.
reef zodiac
Tidal dash + Rocket Bomb both favor being up close
Eris is a melee weapon
Taking damage absolutely does not matter
Unless they die
tawdry fossil
Unless they die
unless they die
reef zodiac
Do they?
reef zodiac
Exactly
tawdry fossil
it just seems they always play on the edge with rail specifically
reef zodiac
Why not play on edge
It’s about speed
Safety doesn’t even play a factor in my mind when I speedrun Eris
tawdry fossil
I guess so, it just feels a bit unorthodox compared to what I've seen with other weapons
reef zodiac
That’s how you get fast times
You have to be up close
For Tidal dash and to get Eris boost from Rocket Bomb
It’s very important to be up close with Hades
Tidal Dash is a lot of your boss damage
tawdry fossil
yeah
i diverted my poms towards tidal dash mainly this run(first time using rail, about to fight hades)
helped in the styx chambers quite a bit
reef zodiac
It’s called Styx shredder for a reason
twin thistle
if youre far away youre missing out on tidal dash and clockets damage and not proccing eris buff. its speedrunning not flawless runs
reef zodiac
Chamber 4 smair
spare lotus
if it says that it increases chances to be rare or better
does it mean that only rare chance is upped or epic also
slim geyser
Chamber 4 smair <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
once i got chamber 5 ME it was great
oblique isle
i got aspect of lucifer
and aspect of arthur
aspect of arthur is so op because u get +50 max hp
and also do a lot of damage
the aura thing is also op
reef zodiac
You’re using “op” very liberally
spare lotus
does boon rairty increase with chambers
reef zodiac
No
brisk trail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/950987166979346502/IMG...
is that a legion 5?
oblique isle
i play on play station
strong ridge
if it says that it increases chances to be rare or better
it’s an enigma
spare lotus
it’s an enigma
?
crude surge
What is a legion 5
brisk trail
@devout terrace hi sorry for the ping
im at 3 heat and i wanna slowly get up to 32 and the 50 somehow
and i saw your runs
i asked other people but i just wanted to know what are your general pices of advice for me to get up there?
raw herald
At 3 heat just keep playing runs and practice with the weapons
Slowly go up in heat
Nobody playing for the first time goes straight to 32
brisk trail
At 3 heat just keep playing runs and practice with the weapons
but i wanna do it using the optimal path
so when i get there
i wont struggle as of the skill
raw herald
Hang on, there’s a great table by ridiculous hat that I’ll link
raw herald
brisk trail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/u...
i got this last night
mint coral
if it says that it increases chances to be rare or better
I dont remember how much is the epic chance but ik is a 10% increase on duos-legendaries
gray apex
i got this last night
It's a good way to go about progressing through heat
brisk trail
It's a good way to go about progressing through heat
yeah i sent it to my saved massages server
what is the difficulty curve like between em3 and em4?
brisk trail
yeah sure
brisk trail
On its own it's fine
i know this is off topic but do you play on na on genshin?
reef zodiac
EM3 I start using around 28 usually, EM4 I don’t even consider until past 50 heat (except on a few select aspects where I think about it at 50)
brisk trail
EM3 I start using around 28 usually, EM4 I don’t even consider until past 50 hea...
so 28 for em3
then em 4 from 50?
reef zodiac
Based
raw herald
Sometimes it’s even better to run just EM3 at 55 heat ngl
reef zodiac
I mean I kinda pulled 28 out of nowhere it’s just an estimate. But my point is that EM3 is a good heat option and EM4 is insanely hard
brisk trail
I mean I kinda pulled 28 out of nowhere it’s just an estimate. But my point is t...
so i will just avoid em4
got it
reef zodiac
Generally yes
gray apex
I think it's good to give it a go just to get a sense as to why people avoid it at certain levels
But yea EM4 is most of the time the toughest way to clear
with some exceptions
raw herald
I think angel initially did 50 heat all aspects without once doing em4
gray apex
yea
devout terrace
I dont think I have much to add to what other people said here
Has a lot to do with knowing your pact, having a lot of experience and also being able to grind or not burn out too hard because of it
median trellis
Just that you're not washed 
devout terrace
You're still at an early phase where you're learning the game, you'II definitely improve
I wrote phase twice
median trellis
Ye I assume heat grinding is a lot of learning and getting used to
devout terrace
I am smart
raw herald
phase phase phase
devout terrace
Adhd go brr
brisk trail
Has a lot to do with knowing your pact, having a lot of experience and also bein...
ty
reef zodiac
I also think you should manage your expectations of high heat because you may not enjoy very high heat as much as you think you will. Maybe you will, but you also may not
Like when I was climbing past 40 I was really excited to keep climbing but I don’t really have much motivation to go past 50 because it kinda stopped being fun for me to go higher
Especially grinding chamber 1 just gets very repetitive
Like if you’re doing 54 heat without EM4 (which you will probably want to do on a good number of weapons) then you’ll probably have RI2 AP2 which means it could take multiple minutes of resets to even start a run with the boon you want, and then that run is still relatively likely to die in Tartarus which will make you do that grind again
But I guess if you’re just trying to get to 50 then this won’t really be a concern for you
Or maybe you’ll be able to play modded and this also won’t be a concern
reef zodiac
You’re not doing max heat. No offense
gray apex
As if max heat modded is not rng
reef zodiac
Don’t even think about 64 until you’ve done 62, and don’t think about 62 until you’ve done 60, and don’t think about 60 until you’ve done at least 55. And don’t think about 55 until you’ve done 50. And don’t think about 50 until you’ve done at least 40.
spare lotus
there is heat ,64?
pseudo kernel
yeah its next to impossible or so i have heard
gray apex
yup
spare lotus
probably some speedrunner did it long time ago
reef zodiac
yeah its next to impossible or so i have heard
Yep basically
spare lotus
its that hard?
pseudo kernel
Yeah
reef zodiac
It’s been done seeded
gray apex
yes?
reef zodiac
its that hard?
Yes
You can afford to get maybe 4 times total
In the entire run
And you have to play so fast
spare lotus
probably enemy movement bonus and mirror bonuses removed is biggest issue
gray apex
everything is an issue sort of
reef zodiac
Yeah
raw herald
It’s a huge combination of horrible pacts
gray apex
But removed mirror / timer/ EM4 are the big concerns
reef zodiac
LC4 + RI4 is incredibly rough
raw herald
No healing, but no stubborn defiance.
No build, and enemies are hard
There are tons of enemies
pseudo kernel
hfe
raw herald
And you need to do it all quickly
pseudo kernel
reef zodiac
Extremely quickly
raw herald
With 1 dash
pseudo kernel
but can you learn it or is it just no do able
raw herald
And you need to sell a boon in between each biome 😩
pseudo kernel
And dont you lose your mirror stuff over time?
raw herald
It’s unrealistic for even the top players
gray apex
but can you learn it or is it just no do able
not doable
reef zodiac
but can you learn it or is it just no do able
Baj did it routed
spare lotus
I dont like being forced to play out of my own pace
reef zodiac
Im.def not picking a timer
You should definitely use TD3
Without a bunch of other pacts to make it worse, TD3 is quite easy with practice
I did my hitless runs with TD3
spare lotus
What does the game count in as time anyway
reef zodiac
Just because
mint coral
Even td1-2 isnt that bad
pseudo kernel
i been looking at the heat stuff and juts like mmm this looks fun cries into a pillow
spare lotus
Since ive spent time afking and i still had okayish clears
pseudo kernel
but 50+ heat looks awful
raw herald
What does the game count in as time anyway
Enable the timer in the settings and you’ll see
It pauses during loading screens and boon selections
pseudo kernel
What does the game count in as time anyway
Hermes will tell you
reef zodiac
What does the game count in as time anyway
Pause screens, boon menus, Thanatos rooms, story rooms all pause the timer
mint coral
What does the game count in as time anyway
Also story rooms/Than encounter
gray apex
but 50+ heat looks awful
That's when it starts to become very grindy
and your play has to be on point
reef zodiac
Yeah more than 50 isn’t fun for me tbh
mint coral
Oh yeah fishing also pauses timer
pseudo kernel
wait do yall have a fav weapon sorry
reef zodiac
That’s where you have to put on the really rough pacts
gray apex
Beo
raw herald
Beo
mint coral
Beo/rama
pseudo kernel
right
reef zodiac
wait do yall have a fav weapon sorry
Hestia and Beowulf. I also like Rama, Eris, and Zeus
mint coral
Hesita 
reef zodiac
Pretty much I like the really good aspects
pseudo kernel
I really like Rama
spare lotus
Zeus shield
reef zodiac
Hestia is so busted lmao
pseudo kernel
AHA
reef zodiac
My hitless runs really made me see that
raw herald
Hera good too
spare lotus
Which one was hestia again
gray apex
third rail
reef zodiac
Hestia trivializes so so much of the game and has so many options to deal with different issues
pseudo kernel
i wanted to try out Rail aspects but it feels like alot
spare lotus
third rail...
mint coral
Reload for big dmg
spare lotus
Reload dmg?
reef zodiac
Sniper rail
pseudo kernel
yeah
spare lotus
I thought its meh
raw herald
It’s 150 damage at level 5
reef zodiac
It’s amazing
raw herald
It’s ass at low levels tho
pseudo kernel
it looks amaxing
reef zodiac
It’s easy to do 400 damage per power shot
gray apex
Sniper rail
eris: melee aspect but has a scope
hestia: sniper but has no scope
pseudo kernel
That sounds fun
reef zodiac
It’s very fun
mint coral
Hesita + tidal dash to solve AoE
reef zodiac
Hesita + tidal dash to solve AoE <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
I did that for hitless
Helped a ton with Styx
It literally carried my Styx
pseudo kernel
tidal dash does gthat
reef zodiac
I’d just dash into the enemies and they’d all die instantly
Also had breaking wave and typhoon’s fury
mint coral
Breaking wave my beloved
pseudo kernel
Breaking wave does what again?
pseudo kernel
🙃
mint coral
Breaking wave does what again?
Explosion when enemies bump walls/obstacles
Idk if triggers if they bump with another enemy tho
Probably not idk
spare lotus
Rrats are annoying more than diffcult.sometimes
reef zodiac
Probably not idk
I don’t think so
pseudo kernel
OOOH
reef zodiac
Rrats are annoying more than diffcult.sometimes
The small ones or the big ones
pseudo kernel
Rrats are annoying more than diffcult.sometimes
Tiny ones are cute tho
mint coral
Breaking wave + small tunnels of styx = dash and watch how they die
reef zodiac
Ping pong
spare lotus
The small ones or the big ones
Both
pseudo kernel
but tinies are cute so they just become less annoying
reef zodiac
God they suck for speedruns so much
spare lotus
Mostly about dodging poison
pseudo kernel
but tiny chariots are not fun
reef zodiac
The big ones are easy but they have an unreactable attack which sucks
mint coral
Small rats rooms 
spare lotus
But i imagine on speedrun on max heat where you cant get hit apparently
reef zodiac
but tiny chariots are not fun
Flame wheels can be slow but they’re free
mint coral
Small rats rooms <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
And they dont stop coming and they dont stop-
reef zodiac
But i imagine on speedrun on max heat where you cant get hit apparently
Why are you talking about 64 heat
64 heat isn’t a thing
spare lotus
Why are you talking about 64 heat
I mean 50+
reef zodiac
That’s not max heat that’s high heat
pseudo kernel
ahah
gray apex
50+ is very different from max heat
reef zodiac
Styx is very very easy tbh
spare lotus
mint coral
Just kill everything before the poison does major dmg
reef zodiac
High heat Elysium is hell
pseudo kernel
Styx is very very easy tbh
Uh huh no…
reef zodiac
Elysium is actually quite easy for hitless (beside champions who are crazy hard)
But JS3 BP2 FO2 Elysium is the bane of my existence
Speeder
I actually don’t understand taking a lot damage from poison. Like how does that happen? If you don’t think you’re gonna be able to kill the enemies fast enough then go cure it
brisk trail
patricide simulator
night kraken
Sword dudes jumping to the other side of the map <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Shield dudes in general
twin thistle
main crescent
Sword dudes jumping to the other side of the map <:dusa:522248771409543188>
wish i could have that many dashes
slim geyser
disciple of hermes
oak ibex
nyooom
hot reef
Arthur and Beowulf have proved to be two of my favorite aspects in the game, and I'm really a little surprised at that since I didn't think I'd quite appreciate them with the drawbacks.
slim geyser
wait whats beos drawback
raw herald
Half a point of hard labour
hot reef
yeah i meant more broadly, beo doesn't have much of a drawback, moreso the playstyle is a little difficult to get used to
but arthur's attack speed is sometimes a little iffy, but i love the tank build potential
400 hp before elysium baybeee
manic bobcat
https://imgur.com/a/BNHagRK <:bouldy:523329116934635534> yes
teleports behind you
"Nothing personnel kid"
strong ridge
arthur big chop when
brisk trail
dawn shard
In your guy’s opinion: what would Zagreus‘ chthonic companion look like? As in the one he would potentially give someone/ the one Nyx made for him?
twin thistle
cerberus
reef zodiac
cerberus <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
No that’s Hades’
twin thistle
a cerberus with pomegranates
dawn shard
No that’s Hades’
Or Cerberus‘ own chthonic companion that he gave to Hades, which would be really cute. Like a toy and he gave it to him
reef zodiac
Oh yeah true
dawn shard
a cerberus with pomegranates <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I thought a Pomegranate too but all the chthonic companions seem to have some „person“ element to it, like something that lived/lives?
Or that is characterized at least
twin thistle
well zag does have three doggo skulls on his shoulder
dawn shard
A dog skull then?
spice scarab
what should I do now that I have beaten hades?
dawn shard
Progress the story by doing it for a few more times
raw herald
Do it again :croven:
twin thistle
beat him again so you get back to mom
elfin sable
should I buy hades on steam? I already have it on switch, and beat the game (beat Hades 10 times). But have not gotten the dinner table ending. Is it worth it?
reef zodiac
?
Why would we know
If you want to play the game on steam then buy it there
Otherwise don’t and play on switch?
icy knoll
should I buy hades on steam? I already have it on switch, and beat the game (bea...
if you enjoy the gameplay for what it is, of course
if you're just looking for the story, no
reef zodiac
Switch and steam have crossave
unborn root
will there ever be a new stage like Olympus
spare lotus
yea thats one thing i miss
would be cool if it was released as dlc at least
going for the actual olympus
since every single god has a phrase about how they cant wait when zag goes to olympus
unborn root
i would def buy it
also wish me luck doing a run where dio cast is my main damage i mean i never really chose it chose me as i got hermes legendary AND then i see dio as a choice i mean what perfect timing it was also in a point in the run where i hadnt decided build
welp gonna lose the first run in a while sadly
novel light
In your guy’s opinion: what would Zagreus‘ chthonic companion look like? As in t...
what if it's a plush of hades
xD
but I also think some type of dog plush would suit him
spare lotus
is spear sweep the worst ability in the game?
i literally luckied out to get almost all upgrades to it
and its still too slow
brisk trail
is spear sweep the worst ability in the game?
in my experience it is
hades is a really fast paced game and slow abilities usually fall of compared to the faster ones
manic bobcat
is spear sweep the worst ability in the game?
You can extend the range by dashing instead of letting the Attack button go.
Also if you want to sweep, then use Hades spear.
But for other spear aspects, there are better things to build around
spare lotus
my auto attack still does more dps
because i dont get hit
and i have 0 hammer for auto attack
manic bobcat
Do you have Aspects?
reef zodiac
is spear sweep the worst ability in the game?
You mean spin attack? No I’d definitely say neutral sword attacks are much worse
And depending on your definition, standing bow attacks. Because they’re not bad but they are basically never worth using
Oh and zag shield special
Zag shield special is actually the worst ability in the game
For sure
reef zodiac
my auto attack still does more dps
Also spin attack is actually pretty good for AOE or to charge when waves are spawning
reef zodiac
Gilga dash strike
Oh right literally forgot Gilgamesh
Every Gilgamesh attack is up there
Especially dash upper
manic bobcat
Oh right literally forgot Gilgamesh
Don't worry, most people do.
reef zodiac
What a garbage moveset
They really went “what if fists but worse”
Also hot take: Talos standing special
So incredibly slow
Like you almost can’t use that without getting hit
The dash upper is pretty slow as well
I just hate the huge delay that Talos adds
brisk trail
raw herald
Dark foresight users to Olympian favour users
reef zodiac
twin thistle
Zag shield special is actually the worst ability in the game
much better than zag bow special since you can spam it quickly especially with explosive return
reef zodiac
Yeah that may be true. But zag bow special can get charged volley
twin thistle
charged volley
reef zodiac
?
It’s pretty strong actually
Up close
With conc especially
Can do big damage
I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t done it myself
twin thistle
idk seemed ehh when i tried it exactly once lol
twin thistle
well anyways zeus special makes shield special good if you dont get cshot
twin thistle
well ive done 3 50 heats with chaos basically ignoring the bullrush except for the block
em4
raw herald
More shields opey
reef zodiac
More shields opey
But they said they don’t use bull rush
twin thistle
the extra shields matter a bit in tart
also uh memes
okay nvm maybe i lied. i had cshot though was mostly special spamming
high island
Why chaos instead of zag
Because with Zag Shield you'd just press Attack instead. But Chaos Aspect bad, so you gotta do what you must to find any damage.
reef zodiac
Actually true
high island
What I say is always true.
raw herald
🤔
reef zodiac
Hestia feels so clean to play. Hitless runs really made me appreciate Hestia even more (especially since I beat hitless with Hestia and tried other weapons and all of them are just so much worse 
)
raw herald
Hestia feels so clean to play. Hitless runs really made me appreciate Hestia eve...
Gilgamesh feels so clean to play. Hitless runs really made me appreciate Gilgamesh even more (especially since I beat hitless with Gilgamesh and tried other weapons and all of them are just so much worse )
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/Gwa6dBM anyways remember this. jolted is op
jolted is basically better doom am i right?
raw herald
It’s different
Jolted on its own is better than doom on its own
But merciful end is probably stronger than anything jolted can do
brisk trail
Jolted on its own is better than doom on its own
thats why i said basically
gray apex
Gilgamesh feels so clean to play. Hitless runs really made me appreciate Gilgame...
Is this true
high island
More dashes = more i-frames.
Gilgamesh is the safest aspect that's not a shield.
It's so good that you have to Maim enemies to give them +50% damage just to make it a fair fight.
It's either that or the aspect sucks and Maim is bad actually.
reef zodiac
Is this true <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
No.
fast willow
Gilgamesh is the safest aspect that's not a shield.
reef zodiac
More dashes = more i-frames.
It’s funny because while this is technically true in a vacuum, Gilgamesh dashes have the slow cooldown so it probably isn’t even true for Gil
high island
I've never played Hades in a vacuum, so I can't speak on that.
reef zodiac
twin thistle
im on a big ass ball thats inside a vacuum. does that count
high island
im on a big ass ball thats inside a vacuum. does that count <:bouldy:52332911693...
Is Hades inside the vacuum?
last veldt
Dysonysius is 🍇
high island
God of Wine and Vacuums.
pure karma
Hey guys, I decided to start playing Hades again. Let's see if I can beat Hades on my first run after months.
pseudo kernel
Woo good luck
rich gulch
Kill dad dead.
glossy turret
I would DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for Dionysus\
pseudo kernel
Kill dad dead.
nice
devout terrace
Gilgamesh feels so clean to play. Hitless runs really made me appreciate Gilgame...
Lmfao
There is actually a gilga no hit out there
Its basically just flood shot spam
iron oyster
Hey guys, I decided to start playing Hades again. Let's see if I can beat Hades ...
Patricide let’s goooo
devout terrace
Any heat yeah
iron oyster
I meant like was there any heat applied
Obv hard labour doesn’t do much to increase difficulty if you’re doing a no hit
fast willow
HS
pure karma
Had forgotten how fun this game is
and how hard
Started a new hell mode file and I cant win
brisk trail
i finally "beat the game"
pure karma
Beat was correct.
brisk trail
Beat was correct.
oh sorry my english is bad
pure karma
Mine too dont worry
pure karma
i finally "beat the game"
Post in #h1-victory-boasting btw
with a screen shot of the victory screen
spare lotus
how to unlock charon heart
mint coral
Spend gold on shop
spare lotus
i do
mint coral
Spend more
spare lotus
how much
gray apex
3 mil
unborn root
WHAT
gray apex
what
signal aspen
What
unborn root
3 mil?
signal aspen
Yeah 3 mil
unborn root
i was surprised by the amount
gray apex
charon very demanding
void vigil
||its 10k lol||
unborn root
ah so it is possible to get within 100 hourers of play time
void vigil
it is possible to get within much less
ive seen a lot of people who got charon as their first bond fsr
pseudo kernel
Does Heightened Security work on foes too or just Zagreus
latent gust
ive seen a lot of people who got charon as their first bond fsr
I did yeah
mint coral
You never realize how much money you spend
devout terrace
And then you turn on cf2
pseudo kernel
brisk trail
with a screen shot of the victory screen
dont have one
reef zodiac
Does Heightened Security work on foes too or just Zagreus
Just zag
pseudo kernel
okay
reef zodiac
Its basically just flood shot spam<:residentzag:580097451197857816>
That sounds so painful
How long was it?
brisk trail
does anyone know if you can find hermes in a trial of the gods?
gray apex
Nope
reef zodiac
You can’t
brisk trail
k is that just because he won't get angry?
reef zodiac
It’s because he’s different to other Olympian gods
He’s more like hammers
Because you can only see him twice (possibly a third time in Styx), and he doesn’t have core boons or duos
manic bobcat
It’s because he’s different to other Olympian gods
He is not like the other Gods
slim geyser
hes quirky
edgy bison
Just got back into hades and trying to improve my time. I'm entering elysium at around 6:00 to 6:30 IGT (much improved recently), but elysium and after take me forever to get through. I just scored a pb of 14:04 w twin fists (cant use meg companion on hades fight yet), any tips?
gray apex
Have you watched/read speedrunning basics
candid laurel
this is the first time i hear Hades say granted when shades line up
reef zodiac
I suggest trying Eris or Beo since they are both pretty easy to get fast times with. Demeter is easy but bad so therefore hard to get fast times with
twin thistle
mostly merciful end is very inconsistent
candid laurel
i though ares had the most useless boons till i started using them
his boons are pretty good
reef zodiac
Eh
Situationally yes
But he’s part of the bad-support-god-trio with Demeter and Dionysus
Because most builds that don’t build around him, don’t want him
twin thistle
yeah if you dont have any ares cores then all youre getting from him are urge to kill or blood frenzy which are pretty bad
and his call is trash
reef zodiac
Battle Rage is situational but it can be decent
But all his other support boons are bad
twin thistle
yeah pretty aspect specific, doesnt really work with dc, useless against bosses other than lernie
reef zodiac
And his attack, special and cast are all good in the right context and pretty terrible outside of that
And his dash is copium
strong ridge
i like cov 😦
slim geyser
But he’s part of the bad-support-god-trio with Demeter and Dionysus
dio good :(
demeter deserves her spot there
reef zodiac
dio good :(
When do you want to see Dio in a run that isn’t built around Dio? He does not have support boons and beside his call his cores are very situational or subpar
Premium Vintage is alright
But its unsellable so sometimes a trash boon is just better for UC
hot reef
also im getting pretty close to a sub 10 so im happy about that
nice! what weapon do you use for speedrunning? tbh i never thought it'd be particularly speedy but i actually got 20 with the Gilgamesh aspect
slim geyser
depends
mostly eris so far
got some p quick demeter wins
specifically that run was beo
hot reef
beo, demeter, arthur, and gilgamesh have been my go-to for runs. sad how quickly the attainable bounties seem to run out lol
also sometimes i dabble in Zag aspect on sword since that attack speed 👌
slim geyser
wonder what the fastest arthur win is
slim geyser
slow sword is slow
hot reef
oh no I don't mean for speedrunning just for... playing the game
which i tend to do as of recently
reef zodiac
It’s 6:36
hot reef
how? jeez
reef zodiac
That’s pretty slow for an aspect wr
reef zodiac
Nah these people have thousands of hours
And have optimized their build
But I bet you could definitely improve on that a ton if you follow a guide
hot reef
nah speedrunning isn't for me
slim geyser
fair
hot reef
i just like putting together funny ass builds
slim geyser
best part of the game is meme builds
hot reef
like my dio beowulf build where I ended up doing 3.9k damage per burst to hades at the end
slim geyser
my favorite funny build is achilles meme beam
hot reef
my bad
bUT
im also pissed at this game
i spent quite a lot of effort perfecting my Arthur build for a run
i had about +200% damage for both my attack and special
with like 500 health
and when i got to hades
this was the run that happened to be the final run in the story.
so he didn't even fight me
slim geyser
lmao yeah i know that feeling
hot reef
im sitting there literally listening to some of the coolest sounding music i've ever heard like
😡
slim geyser
i cried during the credits lmao
brisk trail
I don’t understand something. I have extreme measures on 4 all the time but when I reach hades there is never a third phase. Do you have to do something to unlock it?
twin thistle
err do you have a screenshot of your pact/a victory screen?
slim hemlock
Damn, this game is probably one of the only ones I've actually sat through the credits with.
rapid forum
Damn, this game is probably one of the only ones I've actually sat through the c...
it's in the bloooooood
old canopy
what should i play after this game? ive seen dead cells recommended a lot but for some reason i can never get into it
i also like celeste, cuphead, hollow knight, and katana zero a lot
reef zodiac
Elden Ring
reef zodiac
i also like celeste, cuphead, hollow knight, and katana zero a lot
Also never played KZ but the other 3 of those are some of my favorite games of all time so good taste
void vigil
maybe another supergiant game if you liked hades and havent played them yet?
slim hemlock
what should i play after this game? ive seen dead cells recommended a lot but fo...
Yeah, I'd say try out the other Supergiant titles.
Dead Cells is way lighter on its story in both tone and content, and quickly becomes more repetitive due to the larger individual areas and relative lack of weapon variation.
It's great for a while, but it's not really like Hades.
old canopy
Personally, as strange as it sounds, the story content wasn't what sold me on Hades. I have ADHD and the attention span of a peanut ground up by a methhead, so story in video games is almost entirely inconsequential to me, whether it's good or bad, unless the game forces me to sit through it via long unskippable cutscenes and whatnot. I prefer being able to skip cutscenes but I click through dialogue quickly if I can't. With Hades I knew each line was unique and rare so I tried to at least skim through each one and not be so quick to click through them, but it still wasnt the story that got me hooked
I loved the gameplay loop, the diff weapons and Aspects, the different Boon combos and builds you could make, that all felt great, I loved the pace and combat especially. And the story wasnt overbearing or anything either.
reef zodiac
There is no game I come back to more often than Hades. I don’t put it in my top 5 but it definitely is the game with the most replayability for me. Yes there may be games I love more but I always come back to Hades because I can never get enough of it
Addicted to the grind I guess
candid laurel
yeah if you dont have any ares cores then all youre getting from him are urge to...
you cant take dmg while you are in the call animations of ares
i wouldnt call it trash
fast willow
i would.
gray apex
It’s pretty bad
high island
🗑️
icy knoll
is arthur really that slow?
it's the only weapon i have sub 15 in
well almost sub 15
gray apex
well almost sub 15
It's quite slow compared to other stuff, and it's also overall difficult to work with and needy in terms of boons since relying on your attack strictly for speed is pretty bad so you try to supplement it with cast damage or a strong call like Zeus since those come out much quicker
hot reef
Do i have to grind friendship points with every single god I meet in boons to do that thing with the Queen's Plan prophecy?
or does talking to them work?
pseudo kernel
its one of the best parts of the game getting new dialogue and stuff
hot reef
also idk if this is unpopular but i think hades is a better person than persephone
at least i like him a lot more
pseudo kernel
Depending on the mythos this changes drastically but i have always preferred hades to all other gods
bc he has done nothing wrong
hot reef
i like hades and persephone in what's considered like, the most widely known version, but in this game specifically hades is better
pseudo kernel
Most widely known meaning? generally there isnt a more accepted mythos
signal aspen
Gilgamesh
pseudo kernel
depends on the weapon
been trying out Guan Yu and i just cant get passed elysium its just too much work
hot reef
Guan Yu sounds fun but it seems like the spiked collar is quite literally necessary
also i just
don't like spear
signal aspen
Guan Yu sounds fun but it seems like the spiked collar is quite literally necess...
Nah you don't need spiked collar
Spiked collar is pretty bad
gray apex
guan yu needs some getting gud
pseudo kernel
Guan Yu sounds fun but it seems like the spiked collar is quite literally necess...
No need its pretty bad
hot reef
idk why y'all dislike the collar so much 😭 helps rush builds and tank builds tremendously
signal aspen
Because it's bad
hot reef
arthur/spiked collar makes you basically unkillable in tartarus
pseudo kernel
thats like damn hard to do
signal aspen
arthur/spiked collar makes you basically unkillable in tartarus
In Tartarus
gray apex
thing is there isnt such a thing as tank builds
pseudo kernel
you cant die in tarterus
gray apex
it's better off to start with something strong so you can atleast do damage
signal aspen
Would much rather us a god keepsake to get my build going
gray apex
Instead of taking ages in rooms and bosses
hot reef
I use a god keepsake on Beo but that's it
signal aspen
Use it on all aspects lmao
hot reef
ehhhhhhhhh
pseudo kernel
What
hot reef
Gilgamesh i'm probably gonna keep the collar on, that extra damage can be pretty rude sometimes
Demeter I might put Aphrodite's charm on, whichever one can scale the most special damage
hot reef
arthur i'm gonna keep the collar on too because uh
500 health vs. Hades is just funny
don't judge me i like being a walking steel wall
pseudo kernel
But you can walk into the fight and win without being a wall
hot reef
you can
but you can also play arthur and collar and eat every single attack hades throws out
it's very funny
hot reef
arthur, demeter, Beo, and zag on sword
brisk trail
arthur aspect best aspect
nemesis for life
brisk trail
but chiron best of the best
brisk trail
but chiron best of the best
ill play that to death
hot reef
chiron players when they have to fight theseus
pseudo kernel
but chiron best of the best
I will always agree with this
brisk trail
chiron players when they have to fight theseus
its the easiest though
hot reef
wait am i thinking of the wrong aspect lmfao
brisk trail
wait am i thinking of the wrong aspect lmfao
bow special seeking
pseudo kernel
but goddamn do i enjoy shield now hated it when i first played
pseudo kernel
wait am i thinking of the wrong aspect lmfao
Seeking bow
hot reef
dyno what have i done
brisk trail
dyno what have i done
lmfao
only ever ran with its hidden aspect and went nuts
