h1-discussion

[twin thistle]

cant get blizzard, cod activates at end of bullrush

[peak orbit]

Also hard disagree

[peak orbit]

I assume it's bad because no one ever takes it

[twin thistle]

yeah it bad

[manic bobcat]

Ik. It's just weird to me bc it's just a different form

[high island]

Calling Curse of Drowning on Beowulf bad is mean to bad boons.

[twin thistle]

well its the last one

[manic bobcat]

Last != Final

[peak orbit]

Well then

Any other weird combinations?

Like are there other weird ways Duo Boons affect Casts with Beowulf attached to them

[devout terrace]

Mirage shot is 100% cast damage on beowulf

Instead of 30%

[high island]

Ice Wine adds a beautiful delay to your Trippy Flare.

[devout terrace]

Its bugged

[peak orbit]

Ah I heard of the Mirage Shot

So Ice Wine is specifically worse

[high island]

Well, it's still +30% damage and Chill.

[fast willow]

i wouldnt take it.

[high island]

Just take Passion Flare.

[peak orbit]

I just looked it up online. Apparently it also has a delayed pulse dammage

[fast willow]

no

[peak orbit]

Is Passion Flare bad

[manic bobcat]

Lightning Flourish on Chiron doesn't proc on each arrow

[fast willow]

best for heat, second best for speed

[high island]

Passion Flare is meta for high heat Beowulf.

[peak orbit]

Ooh

Lemme try

Passion Flare does a lot of damage then

Other potential gods I can run

Besides Passion Trippy and Flood Flare?

[manic bobcat]

Arti cast for an average time

[high island]

The build is Passion Flare > Snow Burst. With Privileged Status. If she offers Frost Strike instead of Snow Burst, that's fine, too.

[manic bobcat]

Dio cast for a casual easy clear thanks to the added CC, the damage is also respectable

[high island]

And add Killing Freeze, of course.

[peak orbit]

Killing Freezr

[high island]

Smair is a possibility.

[peak orbit]

Isn't that like a DoT effect

Smair?

[high island]

So is Deadly Strike and Heart Rend.

Smair.

[manic bobcat]

Smouldering Air

[peak orbit]

Ah

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite calls it Smair, so that's the canon name.

[peak orbit]

Wha-

I never heard of this

[high island]

Killing Freeze is slow and DoT.

[fast willow]

does she say that ingame or on her twitch streams

[high island]

If all enemies are chilled. Which happens a lot in boss fights.

Does a lot of damage.

[peak orbit]

But then Passion Flare doesn’t have Mirage Shot?

[fast willow]

it can still get mirage shot, its just a lot harder to get than on flood flare

hence why flood is better for speedruns

but on high heat its hard to get mirage even on flood flare

so passion is preferred (also weak is very good on high heat)

[high island]

Passion Flare does plenty of damage without Mirage Shot, so it's not really necessary.

Obviously you take it if you have the opportunity.

You just gotta make sure you get poms.

[devout terrace]

Flood flare beo 50 is honestly really fun

You dont care about em4 if dad just dies lol

[high island]

It's definitely still very strong if you can get Mirage Shot.

And still reasonable without it.

[peak orbit]

Fair

And you don’t need more stones to function

Or does Trippy not really need Stygian Soul + extra casts to work

[devout terrace]

Yeah

[novel narwhal]

what does this mean Unlock any 5 non-Zagreus aspects for any weapon

[devout terrace]

You reset for +1 cast chaos in tart

[novel narwhal]

does it mean i need five different aspects?

[devout terrace]

Yeah

[novel narwhal]

damn IT

[devout terrace]

That arent the top aspect

For that wep

[novel narwhal]

i wasted five titan blood on sword since arthur but i need to get guan yu for it but it works out since i needed 5 in the sword

winged serphant or quick spin for guan yu?

[rotund galleon]

how good is Zeus on Luucifer?

[high island]

Quick Spin.

[novel narwhal]

guessed so thanks

[high island]

Winged Serpent is somehow simultaneously cool and really bad.

[novel narwhal]

centaur heart or pom for lvl three rare aphro attack my spear is lvl 1

[rotund galleon]

alright, second EM4 run, going with Lucifer now

[high island]

Like, not bad in the sense of being actively harmful, but it doesn't really do anything.

[high island]

Well, are you comfortable with how much HP you have?

[novel narwhal]

no and yes as i have played this game a lot and im pretty good with guan yu but no as i dont have all my mirror stuff on this file since my old one was wiped

[high island]

Well, fear is for the weak.

[novel narwhal]

true

time to go for plain attack

wait NOO I WENT TO THE POM BUT I JUST REMEMBERED CHAOS BOON 45 plus dmg

i cant be as careless

[high island]

If you win, you boast about it. If you lose, you never speak of it again.

[novel narwhal]

they got destroyed i forgot how good guan yu attack is

aaaand nector bottle but i dont have the upgrade yet hoooraaaay

[rotund galleon]

git gud or die trying and try again

[novel narwhal]

support fire works with guan yu spear attack if i remember right correct?

[lost widget]

How much damage does Styx position damage do? Does it do more if you move around or dash?

[novel narwhal]

epic divine strike over rare heart break strike with guan yu is better right?

[runic parrot]

i'm pretty sure it deals the same amount of dps whether youre moving or not, but don't quote me on that

[rotund galleon]

having deflect on guan yu attack is pretty good

you can safely spin thenn

[novel narwhal]

i just gave it up for a heroic aphro but i have the dash it was mostly bc of my aphro boons increasing dmg against weak foes and since i can deflect it should work out

wish me luck two death defiances and 68 hp on hades no acorn

[rotund galleon]

go for skelly DD

[novel narwhal]

yea i did i lost two on theseus fight bc minotaur

also first phase down at 1 hp no dd lost

DIED DAMN IT

which diamond upgrade is the most importantr

[rotund galleon]

amongst which options?

[novel narwhal]

all of them old file was deleated so this is a new one

i dont have rerolls unlocked yet tho

@rotund galleon

[rotund galleon]

I still don't know which ones, gone from memory

[novel narwhal]

ah ok the lvl up from nector 5 hp from darkness reroll with cthonic keys

dark thirst gives more gems

@rotund galleon

[rich gulch]

Anytime I am just about to do something new and stupid prompted by my adhd impulsiveness, I tell myself "the fear of death is but another obstacle."

Thanks Achilles Sir.

[past gate]

God dammit
I've been playing a lot of Malphon to get Gilgamesh aspect, and I kinda hate this weapon
And somehow, every time I see Asterius he has literally any random thing to say other than the awakening phrase

First, Zag goes and asks him about skelly, and honestly, could not have cared less

Then Asterius did acknowledge Malphon but didn't give me the phrase

Do I at least get it next time?

This has already taken really long

[azure trellis]

Hahaha wanted to get Ares the entire run so I could give him nectar

He shows up in Styx and I forget to press G

[past gate]

Ah, yes

Muscle memory

[icy knoll]

how much heat do you need until the bounties max out

[mint coral]

If Asterius already mentioned the fists you dont need to carry the fists longer btw

[mint coral]

20 heat for normal.mode and 25 for hell mode

[icy knoll]

neat

[past gate]

Oh thank god

I can practice EM4 in peace

[brisk trail]

Damn Long range buff on spear is so OP

[reef zodiac]

Is it?

[gray apex]

[rich gulch]

Duo boons don't appear in trials no?

[void vigil]

correct

[ionic quiver]

i lost to hades in the run i did yesterday

now I am in the same save and it took me all the way back to elysium

and when I give up

I am still there

not on the house

wtf lmfao

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/944990386579972126/Screenshot_576.png

every time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/944990664226140230/unknown.png

lmao

this game is fun 🙂

[polar quail]

thats really weird but if it took you to elysium maybe you can beat him this time given you don't have to do the first 2 areas again?

[ionic quiver]

nah i really dont wanna go through champions and styx again

it happened like

3 times

or smth

[polar quail]

but going through champions and styx is how you win

[ionic quiver]

like gods of olympus has given me the curse to beat hades with that dang spear or I will be stuck on that dang heaven

[ionic quiver]

i wanna do another run with it

my stuff wasnt gud enough also I just

no

[polar quail]

oh so you want to change to a different weapon or something

[ionic quiver]

yea

[polar quail]

wait so it gives you the same boons every time right

[ionic quiver]

yup

[polar quail]

I would love this glitch assuming I wasn't using something I really want to switch out. it would save so much time redoing a failed run

[ionic quiver]

i remember the run going nuts actually

because I just quit at the house

yesterday

or smth

[polar quail]

you're cursed to stay in elysium forever until you complete this run

what spear are you using

[ionic quiver]

WHY AM I ALL THE WAY BACK TO PERSEOPHONE'S CONVERSATION OF HER GRANDMOTHER

I PROGRESSED THAT DANG THING LONG TIME AGO

WTF DUDE

[polar quail]

ok this is really weird

[ionic quiver]

ALSO MAGDALENE'S CONV WITH HADES

WTF

[polar quail]

wait so youre in the house now

[ionic quiver]

i killed myself to a trap to elysium

in

achilles dialouge is same as I left it

wth

[polar quail]

it'd be really funny if the game acted like elysium was the house and there was enemies appearing while you were talking to people

[ionic quiver]

LMFAO

[void vigil]

this sounds like a matter for #h1-tech-support

[ionic quiver]

i really think game acts like elysium is the house

because i cant get back home when I give up

i couldnt*

[polar quail]

zag lives in elysium now

[ionic quiver]

DUDE

NYX CONVERSATION IS ABOUT OLYMPIAN GODS NOT KNOWING WHATS IN UNDERGROUND

THAT WAS VERY LONG AGO

WTF IS HAPPENING

WAIT YEAH I DID BEAT FATHER YESTERDAY

I HAD 15 TITAN BLOOD

I LEFT MY SAVE FILE ITS STILL IN ELYSIUM

WTF

I literally cant escape elysium rn

[polar quail]

so you did beat him?

did it count the win?

ok thats bad

see if you lost it wouldnt be bad assuming you could fix it by beating dad

[ionic quiver]

no I beat him

and my relationship with gods and people on house was high either

thats really bad

It counted the win

I even took the titan blood and escaped

[polar quail]

this is so weird

[ionic quiver]

I can't give up either

i am pressing give up

[polar quail]

at least it counted the win

[ionic quiver]

it takes me to main menu

my save is still

in elysium

its like Hades himself had enough of me and decided to make Elysium the house for me

i am in eternal damnation of

elysium

[polar quail]

elysium isnt that bad of a place to live. it's better than asphodel since there's a lot of lava

although you could see eurydice and orpheus in concert in asphodel so asphodel might actually be better.

[ionic quiver]

i just checked

the save is

7 days ago

13th of february

[strong ridge]

TBH I WOULD RATHER BE IN ASPHODEL (caps moment)

[ionic quiver]

i cant stand existing in the same place as thesdedus

or whatever the hell that narcissist mf's name is

[strong ridge]

thessus isnt even that bad

hes doin his jobb

[ionic quiver]

nah his pose like he broke down a woman's house to advertise a cleaning product in greek mythology

[strong ridge]

he does stand weirdly

but like

hes fine

[ionic quiver]

i'd rather fight 5 minatour instead of him

tBh

[strong ridge]

how com

[ionic quiver]

might as well try to fix it later

i ultimately am unable to give up on elysium

what a curse

[strong ridge]

choose death

fall onto a sharp edge

[ionic quiver]

i died to a trap

i got back home

but the dialouge is from like 7 weeks ago

maybe even older somehow

idfk

i find the strangest thing of this entire situation is that giving up doesn't take you back home

you literally give up on walking more

and just

re do it

[high island]

@ionic quiver check #h1-tech-fixes if your save is gone. If that doesn't help, ask for help in #h1-tech-support.

[ionic quiver]

i think i fixed it

i deleted the save file that kept spawning me on elysium

now I am all the way back to home

with no loot with spear

[rotund galleon]

If I have Sea Storm, can I sell the Zeus attack to try to find Poisedon?

or does the game not allow you te sell previous options ?

[twin thistle]

you can

[rotund galleon]

Lost 1 DD to Asterius, next room fountain next room Pat

thanks RNGesus

[past gate]

As far as I know you can purge boons in any scenario, even if a boon you have needs at least one boon to function and you purge said boon (e.g. Impending Doom with no Doom effects), which is kinda weird if you ask me

[rotund galleon]

so if I can swap Zeus attack for Pos

I'm gonna hav some fun

[past gate]

Sea Storm without any reliable source of knockback, smert

Although we've all had that duo that we picked up because there was nothing else worthy in the menu and it just looks funnier lmao

[rotund galleon]

I got the posiedon cast

I want it on attac too

[past gate]

What weapon's this on?

[rotund galleon]

goddamn it bot

I'm PG13 enough

Lucifer gun

[past gate]

Ooo

That looks fun

[rotund galleon]

I wanna try the super soaker

[past gate]

Tbh my dream build would be to combine splitting bolt with sea storm but the RNG for that would probably be hell

[rotund galleon]

I need opinions, I got Concentrated Beam and Targeting System

do I anvil this?

[polar quail]

imagine getting splitting bolt, sea storm, hunting blades, tidal dash, and several knockback boons from poseidon on achilles spear

[rotund galleon]

aaaaahahahaha

Greater Inferno and Triple bomb

thanks Anvil

[past gate]

Anvil is not to be trusted

[polar quail]

i never use anvil. its never worth it

[past gate]

I guess if you have a really bad hammer, otherwise it's just too risky

And most hammers are at least somewhat helpful

I just wish it let you actually choose which you removed

[rotund galleon]

Anvil giveth, Anvil Taketh

[slim geyser]

new challenge just dropped

[past gate]

Why the hunting blades

[slim geyser]

idk achillies spear is good with hunting blades

[rotund galleon]

alright

[past gate]

Ah, I was reading that as like, one big synergy

The classic thing of weird duos interacting with each other and legendaries that we probably think of at some point but never manage to pull off

But that makes sense

[rotund galleon]

EM4, I Can spam bombs, Zeus attack on lvl6

[slim geyser]

while we’re at it add mirage shot since the gods are already there

[rotund galleon]

I realized bottom right is a safe spot against doggo bombs

[mint coral]

that would make it op lol

imagine just getting cluster rockets as easy as that

[past gate]

You still have no guarantee of getting actually good hammers in return

[mint coral]

oh wait removed

oop

[rotund galleon]

dad pls telegraph your spaer throws

[past gate]

Tbh, worst part about EM4 is legit the phase 1 summons

They have so much freaking health

You're almost better off just killing phase 1 and having them instantly die than dealing with them, and Hades at the same time

Also I got a Wretched Sneak at one point on an Acorn run and it ate my entire shield by clipping me from afar

Fun

[rotund galleon]

I 100% believe the most annoying part is the spear throw

[past gate]

Meh, you can try to predict when the spear throw will come since he can't always do it at all times

[mint coral]

Sneaks or B.balls on Rama bow is absolute pain

good luck doing a powershot

[past gate]

One of the most notable times he mixes you up with spear throw is after the two spear swings

[rotund galleon]

him ending combos with spear annoys me

[past gate]

The one that without EM4 always combos into spin

[rotund galleon]

that's some dark souls tier crap

[past gate]

Be ready for that and you've already dodged half of them

[rotund galleon]

OH GOD

[past gate]

And if you're far enough away and on the move in one direction, you'll probably dodge them anyway

[rotund galleon]

SOUNDTRACK

PHASE 3

it'ss shredding

[mint coral]

the unseen ones is great

[past gate]

Ngl the game's soundtrack was already good but for that one they went all in

"Banned for containing way too many musical notes per second" - Actual description for the song in the court music stand

Too bad all phase 3 really does is turn the screen dark, but hey, you can't have everything

[rotund galleon]

YOU

I died literally because a vase spawned under me

fug

[feral belfry]

[rotund galleon]

RNGejus giveth

[past gate]

Don't they take pretty long until they can be broken?

Speaking of vases

The healing move, where he selects a vase and breaks it to heal

[rotund galleon]

I dashed, it spawned, I got stunned

[past gate]

If you break said vase it stops, right?

And he won't heal?

[rotund galleon]

and I knew iy was not there before

he wasn't healing homie

it was the stun that killed me

[past gate]

Because I had a feeling that he still stayed in the animation but I'm not sure if he actually healed for it or not

[past gate]

I'm not talking about your case

[rotund galleon]

aah aight

[past gate]

So, yeah

He only picks one, right?

[rotund galleon]

Lucifer works

[past gate]

If you break the first he can't just pick another and move on?

[rotund galleon]

but I cannot do this

it takes too long

[past gate]

Yeah, that's the main deal with the fight

[rotund galleon]

any ideas other than Zeus attack for it?

[past gate]

You're bound to get gimmicked at some point

[rotund galleon]

I think my damage was low

[past gate]

Spear throw in the dark while boiling blood, instant 100 damage

[rotund galleon]

wouldn't Posiedon attack with Lucifer be an oxymoron?

[mint coral]

is a meme

the supersoaker

[rotund galleon]

is it strong

or a meme

or both

[past gate]

Probably this

[gray apex]

meme

[mint coral]

def not strong

[past gate]

The point of Lucifer is to keep enemies in the beam

[rotund galleon]

hm

[past gate]

Not knock them away

[gray apex]

It can be okay with some good scaling sources

like RD

[mint coral]

it barely knocks away stuff lol

[gray apex]

but yea its not strong

[rotund galleon]

maybe I'll try Aphrodite shenanigans

[mint coral]

and sea storm for actual dmg

[rotund galleon]

or Athena

[past gate]

Zeus just seems like the best attack for Lucifer

[rotund galleon]

theoretically, Heart Rend should work for Lucifer

[gray apex]

yea sea storm is a must pretty much

[past gate]

Yeah, but is Deadly Strike all that good in comparison to Zeus?

Though you could probably just use pressure points

It hits often enough

[gray apex]

Deadly strike on Lucifer?

[rotund galleon]

I'm thinking of starting with Aphro attack

[gray apex]

it's peak garbage

[rotund galleon]

so what's good other than zeus

[gray apex]

Zeus is best by far

[past gate]

Idrk

[past gate]

Yeah

[gray apex]

Dio and Ares afterwards

But they're memey

[rotund galleon]

ohhhhh Dio

[past gate]

Ares?

ME shenanigans?

Oh, dire misfortune

Hrm

[gray apex]

yea

dire misfortune and impending doom

It's fun

[rotund galleon]

Dio also should work logically

[gray apex]

not all that good

[past gate]

Tbh I've tried building dire misfortune before but it just seems unimpressive

[rotund galleon]

ok Drunk Satan time

[devout terrace]

forgot super soaker

[rotund galleon]

triple beam found

time to get turbo drunk

[strong ridge]

triple beam sounds so much cooler than it is

[raw herald]

Yeah it’s kinda bad

[mint coral]

you cant shotgun enemies with it right?

[brisk trail]

I thought Im addicted to Hades,
Then I collected platinum trophy and didnt touch the game for a week

Lol

[raw herald]

Nope

[gray apex]

If you could I don’t think it would be good either

[mint coral]

at least it would be slighty more fun i think with

tho not with zeus attack

[rotund galleon]

but it is cool

[gray apex]

true

[rotund galleon]

you can chain more lightning

or do some chill explosion shenanigans

[sick horizon]

how do you get the aspect of gilgamesh and aspect of beowulf?

[past gate]

Beowulf requires you to talk to Chaos with the shield equipped, Gilgamesh requires you to talk to Asterius in his solo fight with Malphon equipped

And you need to get 5 Titan Blood invested into aspects beforehand

[sick horizon]

oh alright i have the blood so

luck will have to be on my side

[sick horizon]

would it be worth it to run the chaos egg for easier interactions with chaos?

plus i need to level it up anyways

[reef zodiac]

Can you? Does that work despite the internal timer? Im actually not sure

[past gate]

Does Zeus attack have an internal timer?

[signal aspen]

Don't think so

[past gate]

It's not the same sort of lightning strike as the special

[mint coral]

egg doesnt boost chances to see Chaos

[reef zodiac]

It’s not, no. The timer is different but still present

[sick horizon]

yeah but then im not taking so much health away

[past gate]

Oof

[slim geyser]

so i know it’s probably rng but the dusa and thanatos bonds have not been forging at all
the hearts are all maxed out and i’ve got the awkward confession conversations from zag but it’s just been normal convo after that, is there a bug or something?

[sick horizon]

dialogues are so weird in this game im not even sure

[slim geyser]

i’m pretty sure it’d been over a week since the convo with dusa (but i also have no concept of time so)

[polar quail]

over a week? How often have you been playing?

[slim geyser]

almost every day
it’s probably just rng being weird but this apparently happens to a lot of other peoole too so is it like a bug or

[polar quail]

how many runs per day?

[fossil gyro]

@polar quail unrelated, but love the pfp

[polar quail]

thanks

[fossil gyro]

np

[slim geyser]

idk usually a lot

WHO WAS GOING TO TELL ME CHAOS HAS A LEGENDARY

[strong ridge]

chaos

[slim geyser]

but they didnt

[strong ridge]

who then

[oblique ember]

okay doom special chaos shield is so spammable

[unborn bramble]

Is different league capped at 25%

[raw herald]

It adds decimal values each time

[oblique ember]

didn't believe the hype til I tried it myself and haven't gone under half health first two realms

[high island]

What hype?

[oblique ember]

just see it posted a lot for easy clears

[high island]

Like on reddit or where?

[proud pilot]

New 32 heat cleared 😄

That's my 5th 32 heats. I remember a few days ago just doing one was like totaly impossible in my head ^^

[oblique ember]

seen it on reddit and youtube I think

and just general google guides

but who knows

just beat asterius miniboss for my first time

even with the ungodly defensive build still took a hit

[high island]

Chaos Aspect was amazing in Early Access, but it's pretty bad now tbh compared to the other shields.

[oblique ember]

oh yeah idt it's the chaos aspect so much as the ares special

[raw herald]

Been demoted to aspect of cshot

[oblique ember]

just beat thanatos 18 to 4

[twin thistle]

thunderflourish usually better

zeus has a lot more boons you can add on top for more damage

[unborn bramble]

Only thing good about chaos aspect his commentary when you re-roll or fight multiple enemies.

[reef zodiac]

I agree on that being the only good thing with the aspect

And it looks cool

[oblique ember]

neat just learned the asterius strat to make him charge into the pillars

might see if I can pull that off

let's goooo finally beat the duo!

needed the acorn fsr but didn't waste a defiance

[twin thistle]

you can also just block the charge with shield

[oblique ember]

shield block is so multifaceted

[reef zodiac]

Wym

[oblique ember]

just a lot more options than I'm used to with a shield in games

[reef zodiac]

Block is busted tbh

[high island]

their*

Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them.

[mint coral]

and super consistent

[proud pilot]

Omg, just had a new 32 heats run cleared, the first 2 runs of the day xD

Well no, i failed a zeus run in between

but still, amazing lol

[mint coral]

by chance, what were your other hammers options

[proud pilot]

dont remember exactly, just remember i could have taken the rocket

but hey, im a noob with rail xd

i wanted to get the 3 bombs

i know thats a good one

[signal aspen]

thats a meh one

[proud pilot]

oh rly? ok

[mint coral]

There isnt really too much to learn about rockt

[slim geyser]

might try 32 again

[mint coral]

Just hug enemy > shoot special for buff

Went into a 35 heat run with lc4 DDs and high confidence

[proud pilot]

oops lol

[oblique ember]

almost beat first phase hades

still at 140 health with 3 defiances

maybe it's just the specific build but I'm frankly surprised he's not as bulky as I'd imagined

welp I beat the game lol

15 hp no defiances, just to show how much phase 2 hurts

[mint coral]

Congrats!

Now do it again

[oblique ember]

thanks!

alright 32 heat time

with that one that changes boss' moves

inb4 celebrated too early dad stands up and punches 15 hp out of me

[mint coral]

Extreme measures wont affevt dad till you go em4

[oblique ember]

80 minute clear time

that's gotta be a speedrunning record

[static copper]

time for 60 heat

[oblique ember]

man, even when I win I lose

[reef zodiac]

More like 100 hp

[oblique ember]

mom slaps me for stepping on her garden, gg

[high island]

A win is a win. No reason to beat yourself up.

[oblique ember]

oh yeah it's not like I was even trying to do anything fast

though that would be easier with practice

[slim geyser]

my first was 66 minutes and now im clearing in 15 🤷

[mint coral]

I have 23900 kills exactly on shield lol
Dad was the perfect number

[scarlet ice]

do the styx rooms count individually for leveling up keepsakes?

cause it looks like each tunnel is only counted once for hermes and thanatos

[mint coral]

Counts for leveling up

But plume/Than effects are only gonna trigger at the end of each tunnel

[scarlet ice]

each indivudal room for leveling up?

[mint coral]

Ye

[scarlet ice]

gotcha ty!

[mint coral]

Lmao
I just noticed i only used zag sword 1 time in 680 hrs

[slim geyser]

ive used it a couple of times

its bad

[mint coral]

the more i look at the Eris rail route the more i want to see it complete lmao

[dull niche]

i mean full complete runs of it have been done and its hilarious

but yeah it hasnt really been grinded yet

[gray apex]

Good for you

[latent gust]

dionisus's favor isn't unlocking for me even though I have twelve bonds forged. thoughts?

[high island]

Just do more runs and keep talking to people etc.

People are so impatient with these things.

[scarlet ice]

what happens if you combine delta chamber with hestia? does it still work?

[celest shell]

I started playing again and it seems like it hurts my hands more? Are my hands getting weaker?

[gray apex]

You can still reload

And your dash strikes should keep your iframes still

[scarlet ice]

so does delta work by just not needing to reload at 0 ammo? so itll still deplete it and you can manually reload?

[reef zodiac]

Wym deplete

[raw herald]

Not really

[scarlet ice]

like your ammo counter goes down so you can reload

[reef zodiac]

There is no ammo counter

It says infinite

[scarlet ice]

oh

it still lets you reload though?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

Just on Hestia

[scarlet ice]

gotcha

[reef zodiac]

Even empowered dash strikes?

[gray apex]

Not sure about that

I would think they do aswell but no clue tbh

[reef zodiac]

I would have thought they don’t since empowered shots are weird

But so are Delta Chamber i-frames

[gray apex]

Game works in mysterious ways

[lean bobcat]

finally got every achievement

wasnt achievement hunting for a while and was j maxing out all the stuff besides the keepsakes

then realized how many runs it would take to max the keepsakes and got on that lol

sitting at 236 hours 10/10 game

[lean bobcat]

im at like 172 runs total and 104 clears

[obtuse jackal]

how do i unlock persephone codex entry?

i already beat the game once and she doesnt show up in the codex

unless i need to do it again

(if there is one that is)

[devout terrace]

Yeah you need to beat the game 9 more times

[final island]

can i just say: i am dissapointed in my self for how long it took me to realize i can dash over small distances

[obtuse jackal]

oh ty ty

[glossy turret]

Has anyone come across some interesting mods for Hades?

[strong ridge]

there are a lot of gameplay changers

but not not too much for additional things

[glossy turret]

I see.. I was looking for something that kinda overhauls the entire game

[strong ridge]

yea there arent really overhauls. i guess the closest would the speedrunners pack but all that does is foster consistency, rather than new mechnics.

there is a modding discord but idk the link for it

[devout terrace]

Its pinned in #self-promotion

[peak orbit]

I decided to trythe typical Mirage Shot Beowulf build

But with Artemis Cast instead of Poseidon Cast

Yeah that didn't work out as I wanted it to

[devout terrace]

Hunter flare

The AOE is made for ants

[peak orbit]

I had no idea how small that thing is

Trying out Dio Cast

Got Scintillating Feast before Asphodel Mini Boss

ANd an extra cast from Chaos already

And a painfully easy Charon fight

What

[strong ridge]

did u win

[peak orbit]

I am winning

What's better

Billowing Strength or Double Strike

[strong ridge]

how u hit w zeus

[peak orbit]

Special but

Does Scintillating Feast count?

[strong ridge]

idk

probably billowing

[peak orbit]

NVM

Yeah Billowing Strength

Because it does BS damage

Yeah I mean for my cast it's better

[raw herald]

No double strike is way better for the cast

Oh wait this isn’t Zeus flare

[peak orbit]

No it's Trippy Flare

[reef zodiac]

Trippy Beo my beloved

Do you happen to know about the trippy flare pom bug out of curiosity

[strong ridge]

tell me this tale

[reef zodiac]

It’s my favorite bug in the game

[strong ridge]

what does it do to trippy flare

[gray apex]

Poms on Trippy Flare do double what the tooltip says

[strong ridge]

beo got so many bugs wtf wrong w it

[gray apex]

Nothing

It's perfectly balanced

[strong ridge]

it bends reality

[reef zodiac]

Lvl 20 common trippy flare does 712 damage (even though it will only say 406 on the boon menu)

[strong ridge]

it aint right

[reef zodiac]

It’s beautiful

It’s especially funny because it only applies to Beo and not Hera

[devout terrace]

Lv2 common trippy flare

Is 230 damage

Without any other buffs like high confidence

[reef zodiac]

230? Wouldn’t it be 220?

[devout terrace]

Oh probably 5% family favourites

[rotund galleon]

alriiiiiiight go EM4 on 3rd try

Dio attack on Lucifer worked actually

[reef zodiac]

That seems mediocre for enemies but painful for bosses

[rotund galleon]

it stacked really nicely

stack damage was on 12 or 11

but I don'tt think I Can consistantly run this

[reef zodiac]

Still seems like a nearly-strictly-worse Zeus attack for bosses (and Zeus attack already struggles a lot with bosses without jolted)

[rotund galleon]

last time with Zeus, I felt like I was dealing not enough damage

and I pommed it aggresively but this time I had demeter special

both builds had triple bomb

[reef zodiac]

But what you just described is the same except only some of your attacks are doing extra damage instead of all of them

[rotund galleon]

exactly

that's weird

[reef zodiac]

So I would think it would just be worse

[rotund galleon]

oh never mind I figured it out

my DPS was lower but I had double damage resist this time

I had 2 DD's left

a matter of tanking

alright back to farming 20k darkness

only 12k left

what makes Achielles spear so strong btwt

[raw herald]

150% damage is A LOT

[gray apex]

Applies to your Cast or Attack

So you have a good variety of builds

[past gate]

Tbh I mostly use Achilles because the rush movement is really fun

[reef zodiac]

Well it kinda depends on context but I can tell you why it’s so good for speedrunning:

1. Flurry Jab is a busted hammer
2. 150% cast or attack damage is a ton and allows you to easily slot any strong cast into your build to greatly increase your boss damage and room clear
3. Raging Rush is great movement and actually saves a lot of time

[rotund galleon]

is there a time where I would pick rare Slicing shot over epic Urge to kill?

I got no cast, in tartarus

[past gate]

Hunting blades probably

[rotund galleon]

I picked no ares before btw

eh %16 damage buff sounds to ogood to pass

[past gate]

Idk

Better to get a far better cast than to run a base cast with slightly better damage, isn't it?

[rotund galleon]

dunno

[past gate]

Though I guess slicing shot is a little duo reliant

[rotund galleon]

I swear looks more like the KEKW guy as time passes

[past gate]

16% isn't really that much

And it's not like it affects all sources of damage

[rotund galleon]

now it's 20%

[past gate]

In a lot of cases you'll find calls, or effects like Doom or Jolted dealing much more damage than your actual moves

[gray apex]

What aspect are you playing and do you have a build in mind?

Heat might also matter a bit

[rotund galleon]

Achielles, got poisedon dash and Artemis attack

heat is eh, 10 something

[gray apex]

You always want Slicing Shot

It's one of the best damaging casts for Achilles

[rotund galleon]

GODDAMN IT BOT I KNOW

[gray apex]

And you have easy Mirage and Hunting Blades with that setup

That's meta speedrunning build for Achilles pretty much

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[rotund galleon]

welp

[gray apex]

Extra info in here

[rotund galleon]

next Ares find then

hmmm

maybe I should force Aphro special according to that

wait I don't have Aphro bond

how the hell

[gray apex]

Forcing a Special on Achilles is almost never worth it

You just pick one up as a Duo opener

[past gate]

Aphro bond needs a lot of work, building a lot of other relationships

I'm not gonna spoil any more than that

[rotund galleon]

makes sense

I'm also lacking Hermes bro somehow

[past gate]

Oh, he'll tell you soon enough

I personally know

And I really don't want to do it

[reef zodiac]

It’s very mediocre

[past gate]

At least he's explicit about it

[rotund galleon]

Hermes is a bro

[reef zodiac]

Just don’t put your Poms into UTK

[rotund galleon]

nonetheless

Side hustle is just Hermes constantly slipping some money to you

[past gate]

Ah, yes

Easing the pain of going into a charon shop with like 2 coins less than you need to buy something

There is no better feeling than getting that and just finding a random urn of wealth lmao

[rotund galleon]

so many times, I couldn't find one when needed only 10 gold

[past gate]

Random question, does EM affect Charon?

Meaning the boss

[rotund galleon]

I haven't seen any charon changes at EM3

[past gate]

Makes sense

Just wanted to be sure

[rotund galleon]

EM4, haven't ffound him yet

it would be cool tho

[past gate]

Isn't this boss, like, already hard?

[rotund galleon]

and?

my man needs buffs too

[past gate]

Especially since he can be found really early in the game but acts like a late game boss

So if you do him early half his moves just one-shot you

And you deal him virtually no damage

[rotund galleon]

ah crap

no flurry

[polar quail]

extreme measures only affects the normal bosses. extreme measures 1 is for the furies, extreme measures 2 is for lernie, extreme measures 3 is for asterius and theseus, and extreme measures 4 is for dad

[signal aspen]

em5 is for charon

[polar quail]

em5 is free heat if you don't actually challenge charon. Unless it forces you to challenge him would be pretty interesting actualy

yes it should

[signal aspen]

it does in fact force you to fight charon

its like the secret final boss because you fight charon after dad

kinda like dead cells

[rotund galleon]

I hate EM3 asterius with a passion

[calm zenith]

Whenever you reach below 100 gold, you have to fight Charon.

[rotund galleon]

and only due to his Beyblade

[calm zenith]

Just ignore him during that

[signal aspen]

delete him from the game files

[calm zenith]

It has a big wind up anyway

[signal aspen]

beyblade is fine

the charge is hell

[polar quail]

would zag steal from charon before the end fight?

meaning you have to fight him twice

[signal aspen]

you can if you want

[rotund galleon]

charge is fine Beyblade works against my reflexes

[signal aspen]

i guess youve never experienced em3 fo2 hl5 charge

literally instant 70 damage

[rotund galleon]

I can avoid the charge

[calm zenith]

Ultra Greedy Charon: appears in the next room whenever you gain 150 obols. To steal it from you.

[signal aspen]

spin is the easiest to avoid lmao

just walk away

[calm zenith]

Attacks steal obols from you.

[rotund galleon]

he deals more damage the less obols you have

[polar quail]

UGC2: appears in the next room whenever you gain 50 obols. UGC3: appears in the next room whenever you gain 20 obols. UGC4: appears in the next room whenever you gain any obols.

[proud pilot]

hi all o/

[polar quail]

hello!

[proud pilot]

finaly back home, wanted to try a funny build, have any ideas? was thinking of a only dash run with gilga ^^

but dont know what dash would be the best. Zeus? Poseidon?

[rotund galleon]

Gilgamesh, stack all the doom you can

just doom

only doom

[proud pilot]

well i do that all the time ^^

wanted to do something different, with a low heat, just for making a fun run

[rotund galleon]

hmmmm

go for a no gimmick run, pure damage

artemis and such

become true Gilgamesh

[proud pilot]

could do that yeah ^^

love artemis ❤️

[rotund galleon]

you are not allowed to pick any DoT, doom or such

maximum manly run

I somehow don't have a call at styx

[proud pilot]

i could try em4 for that run, i have mostly 0 experience at all with em4 ^^'

[rotund galleon]

I'm afraid to do EM4 with Gilgamesh

[past gate]

Gl

[proud pilot]

^^

[polar quail]

i hear that gilgamesh is bad

[past gate]

Me too

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[past gate]

I also hear it's fun

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef zodiac]

Only if you don’t attack

[polar quail]

i haven't tried em4 before yet either.

[proud pilot]

yeah when i started i loved this aspect, but with more experience i now feel its not that good as i tought ^^

now im in love with demeter fists ❤️

[polar quail]

I love demeter fists theyre so fun

got my personal best time with them

[proud pilot]

^^

think mine is with zag fists

[past gate]

Demeter's pretty dumb, yeah

[polar quail]

you just punch punch punch then when the special charges finishes it off

[proud pilot]

artemis on special = win gg

[oak ibex]

I love it when Demeter comments on her weapon

[polar quail]

ive ignored every zagreus aspect except for zag bow

[reef zodiac]

Zag shield is good. And zag rail is fun with spread fire

[proud pilot]

i think zag bow is the one i played the less ^^

dont know why

[reef zodiac]

The other 3 are super uninteresting

[reef zodiac]

Zag bow puts me to sleep

[polar quail]

i like the shield and rail so I could give those a try eventually.

[reef zodiac]

Dash, hold attack for an exact length of time, release, repeat

Insanely boring

[polar quail]

i'm going to do every aspect eventually on 32 heat, so I'll try even the boring ones

[reef zodiac]

32 24 is fun, I recommend it for sure

[proud pilot]

i still have do 32 heat with shield and spear

[reef zodiac]

3 out of 4 shields are very strong at high heat (although Zag is pretty mid without CShot imo)

[polar quail]

though I haven't been playing that much so I still have only 1 32 heat run finished so far. my last win was like, in the beginning of this month

[polar quail]

only played with zeus and beowulf so far. haven't touched chaos and zag

[reef zodiac]

Zag is good with CShot

Chaos is just bad zag shield

[polar quail]

really? how so

i saw some guys list and he rated chaos aspect an S

[reef zodiac]

It got nerfed a while ago

[polar quail]

[reef zodiac]

It was really good in early access

But it sucks now

[gray apex]

It's pretty bad

[polar quail]

whys it bad

[gray apex]

No damage no speed

[reef zodiac]

Because it doesn’t do damage

[gray apex]

The damage is really low compared to other stuff

You need like 20 Zeus boons for it to get going

[polar quail]

that sounds terrible considering theres not even 20 zeus boons

[proud pilot]

As a first rama hammer, i have choice btw Sniper shot, chain shot and point blank, what's your choice?

just have artemis attack for the moment

[gray apex]

Point blank

[polar quail]

point blank

[proud pilot]

ok good ^^

[feral belfry]

Point blank

[rotund galleon]

I'm sorry Dionysus I'll never disrespect Positiv Outlook ever again

[polar quail]

positive outlook can be good when you use lc4 and stubborn defiances

at low heat it doesn't really make a difference for me

[rotund galleon]

I was low on DD this time

helped to tank

[past gate]

Permanently in positive outlook, nice

[polar quail]

exactly

[rotund galleon]

alright only 12k darkness left

[polar quail]

grinding for the infinite theme?

[rotund galleon]

aye

[polar quail]

yeah I want that one its so cool

[rotund galleon]

I go where Dark Thirst points

[polar quail]

its like the coolest one

[rotund galleon]

hmmmm

Chiron or Hera run?

[polar quail]

make sure you check out the boons from chaos that increase the amount of darkness you earn

hera supremacy

[past gate]

If you wanna run Hera you might as well run beo so idk

Hera is just slightly safer faster beo

But so much weaker

[rotund galleon]

Beowulf?

[past gate]

Yes

[rotund galleon]

too slow for my taste

[past gate]

I can understand that

[raw herald]

It’s pretty quick

Just dash strike before charging

[past gate]

The worst part for me is the janky iframes but a lot of people use it

And everyone thinks it's nutty

[rotund galleon]

I don't want my iframes to remind me of dark souls

[polar quail]

I also want the infinite theme though as I'm focusing on a different goal first, I 'm just going to see how much darkness I'll earn naturally over the course of those runs and then grind for the rest intentionally

[rotund galleon]

I'm on a break

[polar quail]

hate when weapons feel slow I'm on a tight deadline here (3)

[rotund galleon]

wait

what happens to cast altering boons with Hera

like Aphro or Dio

[feral belfry]

Nothng

Aphro is the way to go tbh

[rotund galleon]

so it cancels the drawback?

hmmmmmm

[feral belfry]

You just shoot it

[rotund galleon]

thanks G

[feral belfry]

It's stonks

[mint coral]

Hera + dio cast turns into trippy flare

Which means it gets the mirage shot bug

[rotund galleon]

I should try this

man I wish this game would get a DLC

[polar quail]

id buy it if they added cursed pact of punishment things..but restricting that to dlc sounds bad unless it was a free update

[rotund galleon]

I'm still confused, nothing happens with Aphro cast on Hera right?

you jjust get the bonus damge

[mint coral]

Yeah you just load and shoot the normal cast

No drawback

[devout terrace]

Don't get blown kiss on hera

Its buggy

[rotund galleon]

which one is blown kis

s

[devout terrace]

+range to your Aphrodite cast

[mint coral]

And dmg to undamaged foes

[dull niche]

yeah hera just uses your cast at the end of ur arrow

it doesn’t actually modify the cast itself in any notable way

[past gate]

Which means there are only two actually good casts on this thing

I can't imagine how sad something like a Crystal Beam Hera run would be

[dull niche]

nah there are a few decent ones

crush shot, phalanx shot, flood shot, and even trippy flare are all good

the rest are mediocre though yea

[mint coral]

phalanx is fun if you wanna stack backstab

[past gate]

That phalanx backstab duo boon doesn't seem very good at all tbh

Can it benefit from all sources of backstab damage?

[rotund galleon]

ohhhhh

[mint coral]

ye

[rotund galleon]

Asphodel Charon fight

[past gate]

Because something like a Shadow Slash hammer on Stygius seems like something that could make it good

[rotund galleon]

ahhhhh

this is hard

[mint coral]

also something with the hitbox makes phalanx shot hera backstab from the front

[rotund galleon]

wish me luck

[past gate]

Epic

[past gate]

Does this work?

[reef zodiac]

And even then it’s not great tbh

[rotund galleon]

OH GOD

[mint coral]

idk if parting uses shadow slash bonus

[rotund galleon]

MY CASTS WENT OUT OF BOUNDS

[mint coral]

im gonna say no cause it specifies attack

[past gate]

They'll come back

[rotund galleon]

during the fight?

[past gate]

Yeah

It just takes a while

[reef zodiac]

Idk about faster. It has wr because Croven decided to grind Hera. If he’d picked Beo instead, then that would probably be Beo instead tbh lmao

[past gate]

If casts stay on the ground for too long they eventually come back to you

The Hermes legendary actually makes them instantly do that

[past gate]

Never checked the wrs, I just meant that the casts are fired instantly instead of one after the other

[reef zodiac]

Ohh

Yes the casts pop out faster

[past gate]

I highly doubt Hera's that good when people talk about beo so much, and with what beo is

[reef zodiac]

Hera is clearly very good for speed

Not for heat

[past gate]

But casts are sometimes gonna get stuck in enemies

That's not so great

[mint coral]

hera high heat

[reef zodiac]

High heat Hera is really not fun

[mint coral]

most hera builds will just 1 hit common enemies

[past gate]

Yeah but bosses

[reef zodiac]

That’s why they highly prioritize quick reload for bosses

[mint coral]

bosses there is quick reload which stacks with hera already short time

and funny wall bug things but isnt that important

[high island]

No. Shadow Slash is not global backstab damage. It only applies to your standing Attack. Doesn't even apply to Dash-Strikes.

[past gate]

Welp

Any notable cases of this duo being useful?

[raw herald]

Shadow presence hera maybe

[rotund galleon]

would trilpe shot + explosive shot be a meme or a nuke?

[raw herald]

But then you don’t get the bonus of fiery presence in Tartarus

It’s good

[gray apex]

A nuke

[high island]

Shadow Presence and Fiery Presence are both pretty popular on Hera, or at least used to be. Parting Shot also gives you more opportunities to get bonus Cast damage by just picking up backstab damage.

[raw herald]

Fiery is pretty much exclusively used now

[high island]

That's what I'd expect.

[raw herald]

On basically every aspect

Only Achilles and lucifer don’t

[rotund galleon]

Blown kiss was bugged right?

with Hera

[high island]

No.

[rotund galleon]

someone said it was

[gray apex]

It's bugged with Flurry Hera

It can mess up the hitboxes you end up just whiffing casts

[high island]

It's not a bug. It works like it always does, which doesn't work well with Flurry Shot.

[rotund galleon]

finding Thanatos right after Achilles and Pat is a nice irony

[polar quail]

speedrun moments

[signal aspen]

stuff like that never happens in a speedrun

[rotund galleon]

I'd say it was cute

[high island]

m like 99% sure along with increasing the range of Crush Shot a lot, Blown Kiss also increases the dead zone around Zagreus a bit where Crush Shot doesn't hit. And with Flurry Shot, that often means your Cast will not hit the enemy. Without Flurry Shot, you can adjust for it easily and undershoot your arrows a bit more.

And then it's basically just benefits.

[rotund galleon]

wait

I jjust did that

and it shoots a pink sonic boom at the end of the cast

niiiiiiiiice

"Sure....."

that was the best ending I've ever seen

[tame plaza]

Theseus:

• Why won't you die?

Zagreus with 85 % Godmode and protection boons:

• Favor of Olympus son. Gods themselves shield me from physical trauma. You can't hurt me, Thes!

[polar quail]

2022 all weapon aspects at 32 heat. 2023 6 sub 10s, all weapons at 40-50 heat. 2024, i go absolutely insane and somehow become the first one to clear 64 heat despite being a bad player

if i did 60 heat since that was done before I'd be pretty ok with that if I continued to play the game for multiple years

[reef zodiac]

I bet you can do 40 24 and 6 sub 10 in 2022

[devout terrace]

[reef zodiac]

All aspects at 40 heat
All weapons sub 10

[signal aspen]

all aspects at 40 means you have to play gilgamesh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?v=1

[reef zodiac]

Eh it’s not so bad

Just spam tidal dash

And don’t attack

And definitely don’t dash upper

I’m trying to remember the hardest ones for me

[feral belfry]

Zag sword

[reef zodiac]

Probably Hades spear, nemesis (because I got some hangover god-run with zag sword that I couldn’t replicate), and maybe Hera

[oak ibex]

They see him rolling. They hating.

[proud pilot]

Do you guys know Hollow Knight? Started it yesterday, fun game

[signal aspen]

yeah

very fun roguelike

i heard its getting a dlc soon

i think its called survivors of the void

one (1) pogger

[past gate]

It's amazing, but why discuss it here? There are off-topic channels

[proud pilot]

yeah true 😉

[polar quail]

get back to me at the end of year. assuming I play enough that does sound reasonable

[pastel ridge]

what are the places i even have greece one above it is empty tho

[high island]

Do you have Erebus?

[pastel ridge]

what is erebus

i just killed hades

dont tell me there is more enemies

[polar quail]

thats 52 victories needed. perfect to focus on all year

[slim geyser]

i want to try and do all weapons sub 10 too

maybe all aspects if i decide i hate myself

[polar quail]

yeah. it'd make my victory screen look supe cool having those low clear times

all aspects? yeah no

[slim geyser]

yes that’s all i care about

[high island]

You need to unlock the Gateways, Erebus from the House Contractor. Should be available after your first clear.

Might need to do one more run after that for it to show up.

[slim geyser]

(or beat up charon, that’s how i unlocked it)