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hehe nice! GL !
I jumped straight from finishing the 20 heat bounty to practicing 32 heat 
bother w em4 after 32 imo
how'd that work out?
took maybe 6 or 7 runs until I got the hang of it
not bad
but the first couple of them were just experimenting with different combinations of pacts
im going back to the game, see ya later guys š
10 4 good buddy
good luck! 
well ideally, by the time you hit that 20 heat bounty, you would've practiced at least one of the spicier pacts like EM3, FO2, or the pacts that add stuff to armored enemies/minibosses
so those 12 extra heat hopefully only adds just a bit more spice to something that you're hopefully already somewhat used to
I've done f02 before
the quickest way 2 get better is throw on f02 & td2/3 imo
would you say em3 is easier than that one?
em3 ezpz
em3 might just take like 2 or 3 runs at most to learn the new attack patterns
em3 becomes difficult because of fo2
the only real thing to watch out for is that if you combine EM3 with something like FO2, you might have to play less aggressive than you're used to in the standard champion fight
^^^
the reason is that EM3 fight gives you way fewer downtime opportunities where the champions just stand still for you to attack
especially when you unlock delta strike/bullhorn
Chad do em4 on your first attempt of 32 ever and win 
chad

main problem with em4 32 is timing out tbh
Not when I had td2 on 
it can be but on 32 u can arrive at em4 aith at least 6 pretty consistently
also LC0 lol
If youāre running TD3, a 4 sack is usually a death sentence at 32 heat em4
avg styx fountain enjoyer
not really
Fixed
Meant for em4 cause Iām the guy that ran a lot of 32 em4 just because lol
its a good time
plus if you take em4 you donāt need to take lasting consequences at all 
(This worked once for last year me being reckless. Itās not a good strategy to beat 32 reliably)
i like to split hc and lc bc im insane
but yeah, the biggest challenge in EM3 on FO2 is trying to get attacks in when there are way fewer openings than what you're used to in the standard fight
in standard fight it's like: theseus throws spear, turns his back on you like a dingus, you get free attacks in, repeat
and then when you get delta strike, it's like "hey now they're both grouped up to make it even easier to land AoE attacks that hit both of them at the same time"
but when EM3 hits around, theseus is moving around 90% of the time, and now the bull man can turn himself into a helicopter so you're forced to just sort of watch things happen for a while
also depends on the weapon
the openings are fewer, but it's also much harder to just nuke both of them down at the same time since the 2 of them dont group up as much
Lightning phalanx, hunting blades, curse of nausea, curse of drowning, mirage shot, blizzard shot, and freezing vortex are the duo boons I have left for prophecy. Any good uses for any of these in builds?
poseidon sword for first/achilles blades or CoD/average hangover build for nausea
do an achilles spear run where you try to get hunting blades and mirage shot at the same time
curse of drowning sucks and freezing vortex kinda does nothing. hunting blades and lightning phalanx are great for cast builds
beowulf with flood flare and mirage shot is slightly broken
talos can be fun for CoD
mirage + hunting blades
In other words do throwaway runs for the prophecy for those two but donāt include them in a serious build?
have you ever looked at the game and thought
"wow wouldnt it be nice to have like 8 beyblades on the field?"
p much. there are a lot of better things to go for than curse of drowing and freezing vortex
freezing vortex also stops you from getting hunting blades
That title is right. Lmao
Itās settled. Iāll be trying that
do it, it's the kind of build I was shooting for in my first 32heat clear 
Op
God, as if I don't get enough of an adrenaline rush playing the game in general. And I'm not even a speed runner!
I need to start playing again tho: I want to get up to 32 heat. Record is 20 because bounties, but getting above that is hard. ;-;
I'll consult the high heat channel after I work on my tight deadline skills lmao
if you go for the hunting blades achilles spear route, just remember that after dashing to your spear, you only get 4 casts that get boosted by 150%
Curse of drowning talos is hilarious tho
once the build comes together, the gameplan is literally : toss spear, raging rush, spam all of your casts, do whatever until you can pick up your bloodstones again, repeat
Itās like youāre a Jedi
My god, I misread casts as cats ;-;

Interesting. How good is it
awkwardly eyes what I posted in the #music channel J-Jedi
Mediocre, but fun
it's a nice supplement to ME
Most of the damage came from putting dudes in corners and it was basically pointless vs dad
I guess they canāt all be winners.
it would be nice if the CoD mechanics were more like loading with hera or beo
Still won, but via face tank, not because of me being amazing
Second wave in styx is hilarious
try bwave 
Iāve done that numerous times lol
So none for blizzard shot then?
Donāt often get Poseidon legendary and even rarer is it like useful
just stick blizzard shot on achilles ig
god, the double knockback legendary?
You can also do talos for blizzard shot, again, Jedi
But doesnāt scale vs heroes or dad
With the same god pool just go meme beam mirage lol
dude, the one time I got poseidon legendary with sea storm...is the one time I ended up with pulverizing blow on the shield
so my attack doesnt even knockback anymore
Mirage blizz pretty pog tho
2 more characters to get max heart and all my keepsakes will have his little icon next to it š
i should one day try the others companions too, i maxed only meg lol
2 more weapons to upgrades also and all my weapons/aspects will be maxed hehe
Wait youāve maxed every aspect?
almost yes
Wow
the last ones are those i dont like/never used ^^
I still need to unlock the aspect of Lucifer and Arthur
arthur is cool, slow but it can be fun
lucifer.. only did one run with it. seems strong but the gameplay is special ^^'
Those, along with chaos shield, Gilgamesh, zag fists, zag shield, zag spear, zag sword, and zag rail are the only ones I havenāt played with yet
^^ so many weapons/builds/gameplay style in Hades.. thats what make this game so addictiv !
ah guan yu is very cool (only if maxed, otherwise its pretty scary lol)
Eventually I wonāt have use for darkness
I mostly just need titan blood and ambrosia at this point
darkness i only need to unlock the last level of fated persuasion (4k)
I have 5 levels of fated authority left and the quest with nyx
ah yeah fated authority i forgot it... i never used it so i never upgraded it ^^
i did the nyx quest yesterday, i did some heats ive already beaten to farm darkness (and i did them with the +20% ressources weapons to make it faster ^^)
okay i'll do the same soon i think
good night ! see ya š
ah im gonna watch the speedrun guide
im not skilled enough to rivalize the true speedrunners but i think some of those tips could help me in my runs
wow the guide is very interesting !
i share the link again if you guys want to look at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
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Timestamps:
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I've done just about everything in the game that can be done a while back, but recently I've been wanting to play something like hades again, any advice?
well you can try to do higher heats
try to beat your best time
try a fresh file speedrun
try hell mode
Yeah maybe, I'm partially talking about the characters and story though
ah, i tought you already did all the quests etc
Yeah I did, I just miss the style of it
well you can max heart every characters (with nectar/ambrosia)
you can unlock/max every weapons/aspects
I dont know i never played it
i heard about warm snow which seems to be similar to hades
but not as good as hades :p
oh okay, I forgot I had Pyre in my steam library and still hadn't played it yet
Also yeah that one looks cool
you can look on the #pyre channel if you want
i think if you just want to do story things, best is to start a new save
i think i'll start a hell mode new save soon or later just to have fun, and because the story is awesome š
Yeah I should probably do the same. I've always loved greek mythology and they just did an amazing job with this game
yeah i agree, i discovered that game 2 weeks ago and im totaly addict :p
i would love to do a run in less than 10min too but i will have to work on that ^^ for the moment my best time is around 13/14min
yes š
Cool, its pretty great
yeah š
it took me like 400 runs to get sub-10
highly recommend watching some speedrun content so it doesnt take u as long lol
yeah thats what i do ^^. well for the moment my goal is not specialy to speedrun but just to improve my skills and knowledge of the game and trying in the same time to take good habits for the future so when i'll focus on speedrunning i will not start from zero ^^
Honestly if you can win with TD3 reliably youāre in great shape
TD3 is for the moment too hard for me, as my runs are always between 15 and 20min max depending on the weapon/build
but its also because as i said im not specialy focusing on speedrunning so i loose time when i open some chests, break some pots for money, things like that ^^. i never tried a run where i focus on making the best time possible
OR TRYING TO FIND WHERE IS THAT DAMN FISH SPOT š š
i take my time enjoying the game/story etc.. before seriously try harding the runs ^^
Yeah, TD3 is a natural progression for mid heats. Also FO2 and prioritizing free rooms helps with time
But yeah play the way that makes you happy Iāve done a ton of Demeter cast builds just because
Itās a good habit to build early on if you aspire to be a tryhard, thatās all š
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yo
I got 6 titan bloods
what do I spend em on
which weapon
yall
bro all chats are super dead
Yeah its nighttime for a lot of people
Just upgrade whatever seems fun.
Anyway people ask this question every week the answer is "whatever you like"
You'll get way more later
Whats your fav weapon
And why
I'd probably aim to unlock secret aspects first
They could unlock Guan yu
You still have to spend Titan Blood to unlock Guan Yu
There is also a lot of dialogue and such so it can take a while to get to like Beowulf
Beo shield took me so long to unlock, they just didnāt wanna give me the dialogue
Time to try out hunting blades/mirage shot Achilles spear
hey anybody able to help me with some tech related issue?
check #h1-tech-fixes first to see if your issue's been resolved, if not then put in a ticket in #h1-tech-support. if your issues is with mods, then go to the modding discord
If you use the well item to summon a chaos gate will it stay if you donāt take it
Nop
So chamber 23 is the shop and 24 Lernie right, Iām in chamber 22
Correct, unless you took a chaos gate in 22 or 12 (right before tart end shop) which adds another chamber. 14-24-36 are boss chambers normally but the pre end shop chaos and Erebus add one
And you unfortunately canāt pop light of ixion saying these rewards booty letās go chaos now 
Thatās unfortunate
Hmm Iām using lucky tooth but Iām wondering if I should switch over to the acorn since I usually take it in Elysium and this is my first time using em3
I guess itās an easy decision to make given I was able to replenish a dd and thereās a chance for more
Ooh should I do big or quick spin? Iām using Achilles
whats the third option
Breaching skewer
what biome are you in
probably that lol
Elysium
breaching and then pray for anvil
pardon my bad handwriting, that's my elysium keepsake flowchart
*assumes LC4/SD and EM3
bro i literally cant read that
Hey if i uninstall and reinstall Does it mean i have to reinstall mods aswell?
it was for @polar quail you already know everything covered there dont worry about it
yes it does

Ok Iāll go with breaching skewer
Man... Maybe ill have to do that
shoulda just recorded a cat video instead tho
No ones responding in tech and idk else to do
go to the modding discord
Oh ok
yeah im not being like dismissive
im tryin to give u the tools to solve ur problem
those folks will be the ones that will know
Patty pls show up I need 2 more dds 
the triple hit dash strike if you're feeling chad
I like Extending Jab best out of those three.
or wanna be like me and get yourself killed
What for?
Hmm 
One health bar is all you need. 
YES he showed
Nice! Get that Jerky! 
let's go I have mirage shot and hunting blades going into the thesus/asterius fight
what were you worried about 
pretty poggers, at 32 heat?
wow you won't believe what just happened 
I can read it just fine.
same
that death was so embarrassing 
the game's constantly giving me the gods I need naturally so that's good
maybe I can get the combo again
What are you trying to do?
win
mirage shot/hunting blades achilles spear
the build was suggested to me yesterday so I'm trying it out
Ah.
i'm also doing my first run with em3 and first 20 heat run.
Well, you either start Tidal Dash and look for Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark and only worry about Mirage + Hunting Blades if you happen to run into Lord Ares... or you start Slicing Shot and only worry about getting Hunting Blades + Vicious Cycle and maybe some extra Casts/bonus Cast damage.
yeah I got vicious cycle last run. I tend to start with ares' keepsake
If your main focus is getting both Hunting Blades and Mirage Shot, it's gonna be pretty inconsistent and probably missing a lot of good opportunities for better damage.
I keep getting poseidon naturally
I'm mostly focusing on hunting blades though
so I usually have both of them in asphodel
my fourth grade teacher was worried i might have brain problems because of my handwriting so parents took me to a neurologist to make sure. turns out - i'm fine, i just have clinically bad handwriting
21 years later, it is still booty
so what's the deal with em3 anyway? I'm finding it to be the only difficult part of doing 20 heat
how should I dodge their attacks?
You have to learnt their patterns and practice the timing etc, there is a lot of area of denial in EM3
completely entirely ignore thessus
blade rifts are fun. beyblade contest against alecto
so lucifer rail
the eternal chamber hammer seems good with zeus
but how is it with hangover?
oh okay
You don't wanna be holding down your attack for that long
does luci buff even affect flat dmg
The 20 clip is enough, and the ramp up is decent damage, also your main damage is coming from other sources most of the time, so you're fine with applying 5 hangover stacks then relocating/using your Special/Dash
It doesn't
But Lucifer has no dash strike
So if you hold down your attack and dash you're pretty much 100% vulnerable
Therefore you shouldnt do it
Just gotta get a decent build.
should i turn off f01 while i'm trying to beat em3
it's neat that the game feels challenging again but man this fight does not seem fair 
wait until you see a beefy EM4
EM3 FO on melee is tough.
to make this 20 heat means I guess I'm trying td3 without f01 
FO isn't gonna make a huge difference for your IGT unless you're pushing like into sub 10.
oh wait, I could do benefits package instead since td3 might be pushing it at this stage
yeah that's not happening any time soon. my best time is 20:57
Just gotta get more practice in either way.
well that spear playing was fun..
time to try beowulf
does thanatos ever talk to meg
how the hell are you supposed to beat elysium with bow
I lost all my health to theseus and minatour
You get used to it the more you practice the weapon and learn the patterns/timings
Bow is one of the safest weapons for the Champions fight
well yea but
when you have a goddamn bull chasing your azz and some narcissist black douche preparing to stab that spear to your bthole and some olympian gods "testing" you it is damn hard to find a safe spot
plus
It can be yea
you gotta keep a distance between those mfs or your bow hits like a toy bat
ALSO
theseus's shield
Well powershotting matters more than your distance does
Unless you have Point-blank in which case you wanna be close but it's still very forgiving
Also having good damage helps
yes
So you dont have to spend too much time in there
but if I dont have something that helps in close range
Dash away
i'd be counting on my red orb thingies until I find some damn spot
what were they called
also special really helps if I use aspet of chiron
but I need some good damn boons for that to be efficent
might as well try again
I beat Hades in every other 5 weapon on heat Gauge
Casts/bloodstones
c a s t
poseidon feels like a cheese build lol
guys we can only use our companion once during dad fight right? im not sure but i think i saw some YT videos where the guy use 2 megs (im maybe wrong but i prefer ask)
heroic tidal dash is just 2 shotting everything
bro once demotrius buffed tf outta me
splash dash op
splosh splosh
only once
okay š
uh should I go for ares or demotrius i have two option rn
at tarsus
wait nvm I can get doom
demotrius-?
demeter?
who
dunno
bull man?
im on the struggle bus learning 32 heat and posideon is like "bro u dont even need a weapon watch"
xd
wine god dammit
dionysussy
triple probably
triple shot
sniper is garbo
triple is triple damage 
if you get ontop of a mob all 3 will hit
Bow? More like shotgun
why yes a baseball bat deals the damage of a baseball bat
Is it better kb and mouse or the other thing?
depends on the player tm
Whatever you like more
if youre a gamer play kbm
real gamers play controller and mouse
so with stubborn defiance and LC4 im just perpetually at 30% hp?
unless you find patty, touch of styx, or last stand
if youve lost your sd in that chamber already then youll get a dd
how does being always at 30% hp make more sense than having 3 lives with over 100hp 
otherwise youll only get the extra healing
well if youre at lc4 youll have no healing
or pick up anything that increases your max hp
bleh
i remember i once tried to "borrow" a bag of stuff from Charon thinking it wouldn't happen since I didn't have enough coin,but no Charon slapped tf outta me
mans a little too op for a boat boi
td3 going okay so far
Yes.
kbm real gamers
proof that kbm is better than controller in every way
yea totally

dionysus
hey guys just wondering how do I unlock my weapon aspects
I reached hades but they still ain't appearing
do I have to beat him to get them
You have to unlock all the base ones using keys
(1) we're not all guys
, (2) gotta unlock all weapons then do 1 more run.
oh ok thank you
(1) i suppose guys is a gender neutral term
but oh well we still have ladies and gentlemen
Sure.
uh
clockets op
explosive shot with triple shot do be op
Has anyone asked Supergiant to add a list for all the Daedelus enchantments similar to the boon list? Also wouldnāt it be nice if there was an indicator to show which ones are equipped (besides looking at the requirements of OTHER boons or going back and forth with the side bar)?
If not, Iām asking! Please Supergiant? š„ŗ
which one do you use most
Which aspects have you unlocked?
i try out all of them but I use bow lesser than others
I dont get it
You mean same as the boons are listed in the Codex for each god?
i have unlocked the second aspect for all weapons
and some +
got my statue (and my sub 15)
quite cursed
nice job
I haven't even gotten a sub 20 yet
I save my titan blood so I can unlock new aspects asap and only level up the last one most of the time
well I have 16
Leveling up the last ones are expensive
you should probably level them up based on which ones you use often
yea I unlocked it
It's been asked. They're done with the game anyway.
I level up the 3rd one for bow
I'd recommend using one of those, try to save your blood
Yeah I guess they arenāt known for doing DLC or anything like that. Oh well, still a great game.
man feels kinda weird knowing that olympian gods help me just because they think i am struggling to get to olympus
goddammit our mom
Guys/gals/non-binary pals
i am not liking 16 heat rn
need help?
also you did em3 before right? Can you offer me some advice with that
Practice. 
HOLY THAT WAS CLOSE
beat 16 heat hades, 10 hp left
also i think i see whats going on with the epilogue š
want to max out relationships with everyone anyway
wow the next statue is even more cursed
mostly just the damage i was taking in normal rooms
oh
anyone here bored + owns a drawing tablet? i was working on a meme in clip studio to post to the subreddit and im not gonna finish it because im lazy; maybe someone else can be creative with the idea in my stead
basically the other day i determined theseus bears an uncanny resemblance to homelander from The Boys (and now I can't unsee it every time i go thru elysium) so i was gonna redraw theseus but with homelander's super-suit, then got tired of it 30 minutes in
idk if it wouldve been funny; but if someone else wants to do it go ahead š¤·āāļø
shiny asterius comes equipped with massive spin
at least I got some practice in even though I died to him. 
shiny asterius buff
please yell at me to remember to give the gods nectar because i keep forgetting and its driving me on sane
give the gods nectar
give the gods nectar
Give the gods nectar
guys i caught a sturgeon giving posideon nectar blessed me thank you for yelling at me
and i can give dad nectar too
give him all the nectar
Would you guys say that hidden aspect is worth it on fists?
Don't plan on making it your main
Shame, looks like it has potential
any tips against theseus and asterius?
I always focus down the bull first
Is the rails hidden aspect worth upgrading at all?
oh god i have to choose between smair and low tolerance
might go with low tolerance because it is a hang over focused build
Smair is never a bad choice but call fills fast on hangover builds. Also nectar
might be able to get smair too
Is there any trick to getting the legendary boons?
I have been trying for demeter's to complete the prophecy list for like 20 runs now
have gods' legacy on and always save persuasion for her after I get the required boons but she refuses to give it to me
is there a better chance if I go out of my way to avoid any duo boons
dont think so
i think i read somewhere that trial of the gods rooms (2 boon rooms) give a higher chance at legendary
but they cant give duo boons
since i'm trying to avoid thesus on em3, would it be best to not damage him and asterius at the start and then use meg once asterius is dead?
well I did that, but i timed out. still beat them tho but i lost my defiances in the process
ok
ugh i was so close. got 3 sacked and died to td because I had 1 defiance while i was in phase 2
for the em3 prophecy do you have to wear conch shell or just encounter poseidon
Just find him
does it have to be the immediate run after
iirc it doesnt have to be
just meet him after doing whatever it is he asked you to do
yes it does
for the em3 quest it does for poseidon to count it
if you run em3 regularly it won't matter but if you only run it for the quest you do need to have defeated armoured theseus on the previous run to get the dialogue from poseidon
Thanks
The more I play this game the more I appreciate it from a gameplay aspect and how complex it is overall
I have a question
What would your definition of an experienced player of the game look like
I think when you know the good builds for every aspects, know the moves of the enemies/boss, have a good understanding of the RNG, know how to optimize your room choices etc.. you begin to be an experienced player ^^
but hades is the kind of game where i think you always have things to learn/improve
I agree
Today I got no wins
After I finish my Beowulf 20 heat run I wonder what aspect I should try 24 heat with
take your favourit š
Whatās your favorites?
all of them
I think Gilga is my fav, but recently i had some very fun runs with Guan Yu and Rama
If I do that I may as well do 32 heat with every aspect
A pro gamer?
maybe
Ramas pretty cool. Whatās Gilgamesh like. I never used it
gilg is very clunky
I also never used guan yu
I might
What would you say is the worst weapon aspect on 32 heat
gilgamesh all aspects are good at 32 heat
Even the boring zag ones?
this is actually the second time it cleared 62 heat
Is there a video
Aw
the link doesnt work
I wanted to see
So thatās max heat right
no 64 is
baj actually made it to second phase of hades on 64 heat
and there was a routed 64 heat clear
also by baj
Is there a link to them
yeah lemme find it
think its this
yeah that
"Wow great run!"
Thanks but it wasn't me running it. It was Baj, Zeus Shield pioneer. I made the route, he ran it. This is a reuploaded version of it since it's no longer on his channel.
"Why is the luck so good? Why do you keep summoning?"
This is a routed run, starting on a known seed and using RNG manipulation to steer the game towards opt...
routed clear
Wait I thought nobody had done max heat
its routed
basically means everything in the run is perfect
rooms
boons
everything
Hm
like casting and hitting summon before each room
Wait is that an exploit and not a mod?
Interesting, I do not fully understand this mechanic but am intrigued
Where can I read up on routing I'm so confused lol. Even if it's an exploit if it's not a mod that's kinda legit
uh you can ask in #routed-runs in the speedcord
Cool
What do you mean they? A person can route a run and then share it with others? Or just share how to do it
both i think
Wtf lol
I wonder when the next monthly challenge is going to be posted
RD + 500% movement speed 
its not 500% movement speed but its pretty high i think
they just buy a bunch of ignited ichors from wells
its pretty cool
Dear god
omg guys
i went from heats 12 to 32, and died to dad 2nd phase, he had like... 5% hp?
....
soooooo frustrating ^^
my ares call ended, and dad hit me once right at this moment, and i died. could have ended him with one more hit
damn beating a 32 heats for a first try would have been awesome
i did the whole dad fight with 30% hp and no DD lol
pretty proud of me even if i failed
based. run it back!
@feral belfry routed runs are kinda insane to get working, like if you press the summon button one extra time the entire thing is ruined
Routed runs in Hades are Seeded runs with precise RNG Manipulation performed by the runner in order to get ideal rooms/enemies/boons/rewards to get the fastest run (in ingame time) possible. Routing is made possible through the use of mods, but legal runs must be performed without mods.
This video is an overview of how routing works, what a rou...
How do people even figure this out?
either experimenting or looking at the code ig
Some people are wired this way. The guys that helped me install my mods knew my computer better than I did and I own the thing they saw one monitor for a few minutes. It really is incredible
Yeah genuinely the way expertise in a certain field can change the way you view the world is actually amazing
Like if you look at the internals of a computer some people will have no idea what does what and why it's there, but others will be able to figure nearly everything out about it
Me trying to get better on TD: AAAAAAAAA
wait i got all the keepsakes not including chthonic companions, why did i not get the something from everyone acheivement
is that a glitch
or something
oh i need to get one from hades
I'm having problems getting achels keep sack need help
you have to max rank all of them
no thats for a different achievement
oh yeah u right sorry
yeah i'd guess you need the one from hades if you don't have it
Can someone help me with fishing
cast rod when you see a shiny spot in water (the game will tell you of it with a dinggggg sound effect)
when the bob goes down with a sharp sound, reel it in
fake bob has a lighter sound and no flash on top of the bob
Thanks man
also if you get 3 fake bobs, the 4th is guarantee real
Some people focus on the flash, some focus on the sound, use what works for you
Hey I'm bord does any one want to hop into a vc and talk
focus on the controller vibrations 
I'm playing on switch
joycons have hd rumble
The first thing I do in any game is to turn off vibrate and screen shake lol
Hey
hewo
Uh I just used a keepsake to force a god and made it all the way through without it dropping
aspho with mini boss skip 
Can you explain?
well aspho is short and mini boss wouldve guaranteed had the god so if you got like a chaos or something and skipped mini boss then tbh the chance aint that low to not get the god if you also came in without hermes
i don't understand something, i just did heats 18 with the bow and i can still get the rewards for doing heats 12? i tought i couldnt get rewards if i wasnt doing heats 18+ now oO
you get rewards for every heat increase until 20
If you beat heat 1, and then do heat 5, you'll get rewards for heat 2. if you did heat 5 again, you'd get rewards for heat 3
until you're caught up
whenever you complete a run with the heat gauge filled it just increases the minimum heat needed to get rewards by 1
Does any one want to vc
LETS GOOO
I BEAT HIM
finnaly
dude
that took to many hours
and that run i unlocked aspect of beo
and didnt even get to use it
Beat who
Wait first clear?
yup lmao
Or em4
What how did you unlock Beowulf on first clear
Oh wait you revealed it you didnāt buy it
Yeah
i unlocked it during the run
Thatās mathematically incorrect I think to unlock beo on 1st clear
Oh wait no actually if youāre desperate enough you can trade in ALL your ambrosia and diamonds on all weapons for blood
And get lucky on broker trades
Or just have way too much nectar
Now you have about half the game done. Congrats š
I donāt wanna deal with em4
I just beat normal hades for the first time like 2 days ago
EM4 is okay on its own
Tbf I probably coulda taken the 3rd phase on that run I had half health and 2 dds left
Forgetting it is the problem?
Yeah also I didnāt have to deal with the em 1-3 bosses
Wdym
I probably wouldnāt even have made it to hades if it was full em4
Forgetting that youāve turned it on
Iāve heard of people dying to the revive wave because they legit just forgot they turned on em4
Nah I meant EM4 as a fight alone is totally fine, however when you turn on some other heat modifiers it scales really badly and becomes hard and unbalanced on certain stuff (melee for example)
What heat modifiers do y'all usually stay away from?
nothing 
It depends on how much heat you're doing
AP at 32 is pretty bad but at like 45 it's a good pick
But overall stay away from AP2 RI CP and DC on some aspects
Don't have all the abbrevs. memorized but ok š
theyāre pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
do you guys like fated authprity or fated persuasion more
Persuasion
Approval Process crosses away boon options, AP1 is okay since it crosses 1 option only so you can manage (still would not take until atleast 40), RI cuts your mirror down, the first point removes Dark Foresight and rerolls which means you'll have much weaker builds (you start taking this at 50+), CP is just bad because it affects bosses health aswell so overall you'll have to spend more time on those AND enemies also have that health increase so it's like all around not recommended until 45+, DC is fine on like Eris Rama etc, but on some aspects there is never a situation where you take it (like Hestia etc)
ok
But like there is a lot of other stuff aswell
CF2 is bad
JS is bad
So it just depends
On how much heat you're doing and the aspect/build and how you good you are at handling multiple heat modifiers together
Is there a possibility to create a language opion chat ? I mean like a french one for all the frogs eaters, portugueuse, german, etc... ?
Oh god hard labour + em4 seems painful
Also my WiFi died damn
When I use Demeter's fists or Rama? Bow I use the extra hearts. Otherwise I stay away.
I always have trap damage on.
Funny thing is, someone beat em4 hades with mirror of night upgrades disabled and purged all their boons
Hey I got 11 titan blood,should I unlock aspect of guan yu?
There are better options
Guan Yu wants levels because the penalty is too hard to deal with at lv1 or 2
For you. 
Not everyone can be HAAAARRRDCOOOORRREE like me.
Hordkor
:zagcry:
Huge shoutouts to cin2win for making the thumbnail and being a good friend
amazing thumbnail btw
Such a good thumbnail
At this level modded helps you play the game
Because on unmodded youāre gonna be resetting for ages
yeah totaly understandable
Best Zag shield (no upgrade) attack boon?
i discovered the "routed" runs yesterday too. Thats crazy
just had zagreus say "hello wavemakers! i, too, can make waves." presumably because i had the piercing wave hammer. that is... amazing, lol.
Wow
lol ^^
watched that whole 62 heats run, awesome
guys, when did you start using SD instead of DD ?
i will have to get used to it one day
Probably around 30 heat, when you turn on LC4 basically
ah ok, yeah with LC4 thats your only way to heal ^^
First time I used benefits package max I was like what did I turn jury summons on
theseus and minatour are much more annoying than hades tbh
MF KEEPS THROWING THAT PINK SPEAR EVERYTIME I REMOTELY TRY TO ATTACK HIM
I have 4 goddamn dashes and I BARELY not get hit by it somehow
please dont use gay as an insult. you might want to go over the rules again in #readme-first

The spear has a cross hair that locks onto you and makes a noise right before he throws. It's pretty predictable, or just stand in front of a pillar
When he throws the spear, he will turn around and show his back
That's when you attack, not before
doing 24 heat now
i took conch shell for the ambrosia reward for em3
letting zag die so I can get my reward 

Just win.
i know I could've just continued
You don't need to have the Conch Shell on you for that to work btw.
but i realized I took the wrong weapon
I mean at that point might as well just finish the run lol.
eh I was early in tartarus
so I wasn't losing progress
probably won't do that often though
so would the best route be to jump to 32 heat after 24?
i tend to make bigger jumps than one at a time. so I guess I can go straight to 32
one heat at a time seems like it makes little difference
Dumb Question Is there any way to skip levels or do you always have to start at Tartarus?
always start at tartarus
Is it possible to do so much damage so quickly you skip the dog call in em4?
yes
Cerb skips are fun
Go straight to 32. I jumped from 16 to 32. You'll fail a lot at first, but you'll make adjustments quicker than increasing slowly if you have a set goal of 32
Imo
I did the jump from 19 to 32
Bam
thanks I'll do that next. I'm on 24 heat right now and exited to charge the game. so after I finish this run I'll go up by 8 heat
or if I die. whatever happens first. 
Obviously the pact is super important
Of course
right, I'm going to go with eris rail for my first 32 heat run
i might try beo on mine
I love beowulf it's fun
after I finish 32 heat with all weapons I guess my next goals are sub 20, sub 15, and sub 10 minutes
im only doing 32 for the statue tbh
ill prob do that eventually but i want to do all weapons on all heats that actually have bounties
then work on sub 10
i jump heats a lot and since I'm not focused on maxing all the weapons I tend to ignore them
i want to do all weapons simply for the satisfaction of having all the stuff.
makes sense, being a completionist isn't very enjoyable to me though
last I checked you have like 66 wins so you're very close to finishing that goal
What weapon aspects do you have left to max out
oh no i dont-
i think i have like 18
and most of them tbh, i havent maxed out many of them yet
oh
perhaps that was someone else
i've only maxed out the zag bow
I'm going to max out beowulf, eris, zeus shield, demeter fists, and maybe hera since they're my favorite aspects to play with.
Hera is at level 3 and doesn't really need the levels but I chose to upgrade it twice to try and get a better clear time.
yeah, but you gotta be super stronk, like beo with mirage shot kinda situation
32 heat and sub-10 clears require different techniques but both fall under the general "git gud" doctrine of post-epilogue hades - doing one will improve the other š
also give nectar to the gods @slim geyser
yeah be sure to give nectar to the gods 
I'm almost at the epilogue I just need to give one more god ambrosia
i keep forgetting and then i run out of nectar
and then do the final part
im almost maxed out my bond with Artemis at least
who are you giving them to anyway 
I maxed Meg, Thanatos, Dusa, Dionysus, Artemis, Zeus, Athena, and Ares
now that I've done aphro's favor I should be ready to give her ambrosia once she shows up
oh and hades
forgot him
lol
honestly anyone i feel like
rn i have maxed out bonds with Eurydice, Meg, Cerberus, Skelly, Orpheus, Achilles, Charon, and Patroclus
theres some favors im working on (dusa's, mainly)
thanatos NEVER SHOW UP IM GOING TO C R Y
he shows up pretty often for me
Make sure to nectar him in the house before you talk to him. It often leads to āwow zag this is great thank youā then him winging about something or other in the dialogue
yeah because sometimes he just leaves immediately after you talk to him
Or always lol
yeah thats what i do
he shows up like once an irl week or less its very annoying
How many runs are u playing a week tho that seems low
once a week? 
depends
usually a lot
he just refuses ig
see him a lot while playing but hes never at the house
once a week 
You gotta be fast on your nectar you can gift in the run too
every RTA runner is extremely jealous
So give nectar but fast. Speedrun nectar party
wait you can gift him nectar in the run? doesnt seem to let me
he usually leaves a lot and doesn't let you but I think I did at least once
not sure ill check
i think you can give him nectar in runs for the first few hearts
Yeah you got like eight seconds to do it
Itās not reliable like if you finish the room far from exit you wonāt get it
Trying to be at the exit as combat ends in a room is a general best practice thatāll serve you well to achieve your speed goals down the road, good opportunity to practice for the major leagues soon
oh yeah ive been trying to do that
imagine if you could use companions multiple times in one encounter
dad cheese strategy
I'd use for that and thesus/asterius
thesus/asterius twice and dad 3 times
it would be too easy though 
but yeah im saving my gemstones and just dont come across nectar much ig? and then i just blank when i see the gods
"boon time" click "great i forgot to give it to them" 
literally
"oh cool maybe i can get support fire"
and then as your clearing the next room it suddenly dawns on you.
alr gonna attempt a 32 heat run
good luck. what weapon are you using
prob beowulf
nice. beowulf is great
Beo comfy
Have sub 10s been achieved with every weapon aspect?
yeah
Ages ago. 
sub 8s too
idk about sub 7
ive gotten a sub 8 second death
fastest is sub 3 min routed
ok so in other words sub 10 minutes with every aspect is an achievable goal. 
sure
already done
unmodded
chaos shield was the last one
by tounis
thans here
hes talking to hypnos
why
will there ever be a point where i get to explore the surface instead of getting the text about how zag dies
zag always dies. it's the rules
there's a story reason why zag can't stay on the surface

Unless the WR isn't on the board, Guan Yu is still at 7:04.
Ah nice.
alright 32 heat time !
we're not gonna talk about how I was on track to have a fast time but died since I had 6:44 on the clock and was after the midpoint of elysium.
*died since asterius killed me multiple times and I was finished off by a regular enemy
:(
thought if i got the epilogue i might be able to go back there
i haven't gotten the epilogue yet but I'm pretty sure it just shows a scene after that
but it has nothing to do with the surface I think
yep I'd like to take a moment of silence for attempt #167
Rip
are you using SD or DD
me?
yes u
well I guess if I use lc4 I'm going to take stubborn defiance
it took some getting used to but sudoku'ing to traps/lava or the last mob ends up making the trade well worth it
and patroculus gives you a 15 encounter item to come back with way more life
i wouldnt use lc2 if youre using sd's though
lc4 felt ridiculous but lc3 with healing items can keep you in decent shape
when your pact also has cf2 then youre paying a lot for not much healing. touch of styxs do the job if they come up and youre better off just turning off cp and being able to buy boons
holy i just beat em3 theseus and asterius with 5 seconds on the clock and no dds
Nice job
are you doing 32 heat? I'm doing that right now
neat meg just mentioned she died to me fifty times 
poison should be deleted from the game
fact tbh
poison gud. can reset sd faster. timesave stonks
gonna try again with eris
oh damn i gifted the last 4 ambrosias to Dusa and i dont know why but i think she will be in my room after my next run... š 
at least she'll be already there to clean the mess 
how tf do people get heroic boons i
replacement on an epic boon, rare crop, or ambrosia delight from eurydice
i dont know the english name of the boon that reduce your boons to commun then increase his level every X rooms but when you get it in tartarus you're happy š
thats rare crop
ah ok š
wait so if i got rare crop in tartarus, and had uhh say zeus special and aphro attack, if i got more boons after only zeus and aphro would keep upgrading right
and does it effect hermes boons
yeah when you pick rare crop they'll keep leveling up even if you take other boons
yeah i suppose it works also on hermes boons
dont think it hits hermes but eurydice can hit them
nice, cloud save didn't save my last 2 runs, good thing I manually saved before transferring pcs
the fun thing with eurydice ambrosia is that when you do high heats you have most of the times less boons (because you have to sell some at the end of each level) and then you have more chance to make it hit the good boons ^^
damn, yeah its a good thing to make backups ^^
additional dialogue required
Very infrequently, and if itās an AP2 run with a red boon good chance itās AP2s fault
hey how is the shattered shackle keepsake?
also if i understood correctly its no longer active once u recieved your first boon?
If you take an attack bonus you lose bonus to attac
it counts for each slot
And keep spcial/cast
so if you don't have a cast boon yet, your cast will still be boosted by shackle
same with attack/special/dash
Shackle is good for boonless or high enough heat where you dont wanna keep resseting for a good attack
Mainly ap2/ri

how do i use aspect of lucifer
For the mirror less run clear accolade can I just do RI4?
I believe so
Got my first 32 heat clear ever AND a sub 20
attempt 4 of trying to get a 32 clear failed to hades
F
Check out my win!
Thanks, and youāll get it eventually
Took me 11 tries. Surprisingly low
i did 32 heat first try git gud
Now im going to do the other 5 weapons on 32


