#h1-discussion

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polar quail
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I'm going to try out em3, and then maybe I'll practice em4 eventually.

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I'll be trying out 20 heat, then raising from 24 heat, 28 heat, and 32 heat.

proud pilot
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hehe nice! GL !

thorn gust
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I jumped straight from finishing the 20 heat bounty to practicing 32 heat dusa

strong ridge
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bother w em4 after 32 imo

thorn gust
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took maybe 6 or 7 runs until I got the hang of it

polar quail
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not bad

thorn gust
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but the first couple of them were just experimenting with different combinations of pacts

proud pilot
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im going back to the game, see ya later guys šŸ˜‰

strong ridge
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10 4 good buddy

thorn gust
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well ideally, by the time you hit that 20 heat bounty, you would've practiced at least one of the spicier pacts like EM3, FO2, or the pacts that add stuff to armored enemies/minibosses

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so those 12 extra heat hopefully only adds just a bit more spice to something that you're hopefully already somewhat used to

strong ridge
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the quickest way 2 get better is throw on f02 & td2/3 imo

polar quail
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would you say em3 is easier than that one?

strong ridge
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em3 ezpz

thorn gust
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em3 might just take like 2 or 3 runs at most to learn the new attack patterns

twin thistle
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em3 becomes difficult because of fo2

thorn gust
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the only real thing to watch out for is that if you combine EM3 with something like FO2, you might have to play less aggressive than you're used to in the standard champion fight

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^^^

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the reason is that EM3 fight gives you way fewer downtime opportunities where the champions just stand still for you to attack

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especially when you unlock delta strike/bullhorn

lone kernel
strong ridge
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chad

lone kernel
twin thistle
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main problem with em4 32 is timing out tbh

lone kernel
strong ridge
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it can be but on 32 u can arrive at em4 aith at least 6 pretty consistently

lone kernel
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also LC0 lol

lone kernel
strong ridge
twin thistle
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not really

lone kernel
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Meant for em4 cause I’m the guy that ran a lot of 32 em4 just because lol

strong ridge
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its a good time

lone kernel
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plus if you take em4 you don’t need to take lasting consequences at all aPES_Laugh

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(This worked once for last year me being reckless. It’s not a good strategy to beat 32 reliably)

strong ridge
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i like to split hc and lc bc im insane

thorn gust
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but yeah, the biggest challenge in EM3 on FO2 is trying to get attacks in when there are way fewer openings than what you're used to in the standard fight

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in standard fight it's like: theseus throws spear, turns his back on you like a dingus, you get free attacks in, repeat

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and then when you get delta strike, it's like "hey now they're both grouped up to make it even easier to land AoE attacks that hit both of them at the same time"

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but when EM3 hits around, theseus is moving around 90% of the time, and now the bull man can turn himself into a helicopter so you're forced to just sort of watch things happen for a while

mint coral
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also depends on the weapon

thorn gust
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the openings are fewer, but it's also much harder to just nuke both of them down at the same time since the 2 of them dont group up as much

polar quail
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Lightning phalanx, hunting blades, curse of nausea, curse of drowning, mirage shot, blizzard shot, and freezing vortex are the duo boons I have left for prophecy. Any good uses for any of these in builds?

mint coral
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poseidon sword for first/achilles blades or CoD/average hangover build for nausea

thorn gust
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do an achilles spear run where you try to get hunting blades and mirage shot at the same time

twin thistle
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curse of drowning sucks and freezing vortex kinda does nothing. hunting blades and lightning phalanx are great for cast builds

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beowulf with flood flare and mirage shot is slightly broken

mint coral
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talos can be fun for CoD

polar quail
thorn gust
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have you ever looked at the game and thought

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"wow wouldnt it be nice to have like 8 beyblades on the field?"

twin thistle
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p much. there are a lot of better things to go for than curse of drowing and freezing vortex

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freezing vortex also stops you from getting hunting blades

polar quail
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It’s settled. I’ll be trying that

thorn gust
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do it, it's the kind of build I was shooting for in my first 32heat clear dusa

polar quail
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Op

oak ibex
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I need to start playing again tho: I want to get up to 32 heat. Record is 20 because bounties, but getting above that is hard. ;-;

I'll consult the high heat channel after I work on my tight deadline skills lmao

thorn gust
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if you go for the hunting blades achilles spear route, just remember that after dashing to your spear, you only get 4 casts that get boosted by 150%

lone kernel
thorn gust
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once the build comes together, the gameplan is literally : toss spear, raging rush, spam all of your casts, do whatever until you can pick up your bloodstones again, repeat

lone kernel
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It’s like you’re a Jedi

oak ibex
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My god, I misread casts as cats ;-;

lone kernel
polar quail
oak ibex
lone kernel
marble badge
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it's a nice supplement to ME

lone kernel
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Most of the damage came from putting dudes in corners and it was basically pointless vs dad

polar quail
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I guess they can’t all be winners.

twin thistle
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it would be nice if the CoD mechanics were more like loading with hera or beo

lone kernel
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Still won, but via face tank, not because of me being amazing

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Second wave in styx is hilarious

twin thistle
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try bwave bouldy

lone kernel
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I’ve done that numerous times lol

polar quail
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So none for blizzard shot then?

lone kernel
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Don’t often get Poseidon legendary and even rarer is it like useful

twin thistle
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just stick blizzard shot on achilles ig

thorn gust
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god, the double knockback legendary?

lone kernel
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You can also do talos for blizzard shot, again, Jedi

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But doesn’t scale vs heroes or dad

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With the same god pool just go meme beam mirage lol

thorn gust
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dude, the one time I got poseidon legendary with sea storm...is the one time I ended up with pulverizing blow on the shield

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so my attack doesnt even knockback anymore

lone kernel
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Mirage blizz pretty pog tho

proud pilot
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2 more characters to get max heart and all my keepsakes will have his little icon next to it šŸ˜„

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i should one day try the others companions too, i maxed only meg lol

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2 more weapons to upgrades also and all my weapons/aspects will be maxed hehe

polar quail
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Wait you’ve maxed every aspect?

proud pilot
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almost yes

polar quail
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Wow

proud pilot
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the last ones are those i dont like/never used ^^

polar quail
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I still need to unlock the aspect of Lucifer and Arthur

proud pilot
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arthur is cool, slow but it can be fun

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lucifer.. only did one run with it. seems strong but the gameplay is special ^^'

polar quail
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Those, along with chaos shield, Gilgamesh, zag fists, zag shield, zag spear, zag sword, and zag rail are the only ones I haven’t played with yet

proud pilot
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^^ so many weapons/builds/gameplay style in Hades.. thats what make this game so addictiv !

polar quail
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Yep

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Oh and guan you

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Forgot guan you

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Yu

proud pilot
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ah guan yu is very cool (only if maxed, otherwise its pretty scary lol)

polar quail
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Eventually I won’t have use for darkness

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I mostly just need titan blood and ambrosia at this point

proud pilot
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darkness i only need to unlock the last level of fated persuasion (4k)

polar quail
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I have 5 levels of fated authority left and the quest with nyx

proud pilot
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ah yeah fated authority i forgot it... i never used it so i never upgraded it ^^

polar quail
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May as well buy them all

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Well I’m going to sleep now

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See you tomorrow

proud pilot
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i did the nyx quest yesterday, i did some heats ive already beaten to farm darkness (and i did them with the +20% ressources weapons to make it faster ^^)

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okay i'll do the same soon i think

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good night ! see ya šŸ™‚

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ah im gonna watch the speedrun guide

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im not skilled enough to rivalize the true speedrunners but i think some of those tips could help me in my runs

proud pilot
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wow the guide is very interesting !

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i share the link again if you guys want to look at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

Community Discord: https://discord.gg/zN7cc8Z
My Twitch Channel: https://twitch.tv/ss5d
Text version of this guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/edit

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:44 Leaderboard Categories
1:36 Getting Started
4:04 Builds: Sword
5:22 Builds: Spear
6:16 Builds: Shield
7:09 Builds: Bo...

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warped atlas
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I've done just about everything in the game that can be done a while back, but recently I've been wanting to play something like hades again, any advice?

proud pilot
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well you can try to do higher heats

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try to beat your best time

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try a fresh file speedrun

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try hell mode

warped atlas
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Yeah maybe, I'm partially talking about the characters and story though

proud pilot
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ah, i tought you already did all the quests etc

warped atlas
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Yeah I did, I just miss the style of it

proud pilot
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well you can max heart every characters (with nectar/ambrosia)

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you can unlock/max every weapons/aspects

warped atlas
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Yeah I think I already did both

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Is Pyre similar?

proud pilot
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I dont know i never played it

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i heard about warm snow which seems to be similar to hades

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but not as good as hades :p

warped atlas
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oh okay, I forgot I had Pyre in my steam library and still hadn't played it yet

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Also yeah that one looks cool

proud pilot
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you can look on the #pyre channel if you want

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i think if you just want to do story things, best is to start a new save

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i think i'll start a hell mode new save soon or later just to have fun, and because the story is awesome šŸ™‚

warped atlas
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Yeah I should probably do the same. I've always loved greek mythology and they just did an amazing job with this game

proud pilot
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yeah i agree, i discovered that game 2 weeks ago and im totaly addict :p

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i would love to do a run in less than 10min too but i will have to work on that ^^ for the moment my best time is around 13/14min

warped atlas
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Nice, I don't really remember my best time

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Have you finished the story yet?

proud pilot
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yes šŸ™‚

warped atlas
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Cool, its pretty great

proud pilot
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yeah šŸ˜„

lone kernel
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highly recommend watching some speedrun content so it doesnt take u as long lol

proud pilot
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yeah thats what i do ^^. well for the moment my goal is not specialy to speedrun but just to improve my skills and knowledge of the game and trying in the same time to take good habits for the future so when i'll focus on speedrunning i will not start from zero ^^

lone kernel
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Honestly if you can win with TD3 reliably you’re in great shape

proud pilot
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TD3 is for the moment too hard for me, as my runs are always between 15 and 20min max depending on the weapon/build

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but its also because as i said im not specialy focusing on speedrunning so i loose time when i open some chests, break some pots for money, things like that ^^. i never tried a run where i focus on making the best time possible

proud pilot
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i take my time enjoying the game/story etc.. before seriously try harding the runs ^^

lone kernel
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But yeah play the way that makes you happy I’ve done a ton of Demeter cast builds just because

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It’s a good habit to build early on if you aspire to be a tryhard, that’s all šŸ™‚

tribal sleet
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ive got 42/49 steam achievements for hades !!!

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just 7 morešŸ‘šŸ‘

subtle coral
ionic quiver
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yo

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I got 6 titan bloods

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what do I spend em on

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which weapon

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yall

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bro all chats are super dead

modern garnet
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Yeah its nighttime for a lot of people

high island
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Just upgrade whatever seems fun.

modern garnet
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Anyway people ask this question every week the answer is "whatever you like"

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You'll get way more later

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Whats your fav weapon

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And why

cedar olive
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I'd probably aim to unlock secret aspects first

gray apex
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You have to spend Titan blood elsewhere to do that

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So you can’t do that

fathom mango
gray apex
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You still have to spend Titan Blood to unlock Guan Yu

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There is also a lot of dialogue and such so it can take a while to get to like Beowulf

lone kernel
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0000000000000000000000000000000000

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my bad, cat had opinions he wanted to share

weary jackal
polar quail
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Time to try out hunting blades/mirage shot Achilles spear

brisk quiver
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hey anybody able to help me with some tech related issue?

lone kernel
polar quail
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If you use the well item to summon a chaos gate will it stay if you don’t take it

mint coral
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Nop

polar quail
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So chamber 23 is the shop and 24 Lernie right, I’m in chamber 22

lone kernel
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And you unfortunately can’t pop light of ixion saying these rewards booty let’s go chaos now Sadge

polar quail
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Hmm I’m using lucky tooth but I’m wondering if I should switch over to the acorn since I usually take it in Elysium and this is my first time using em3

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I guess it’s an easy decision to make given I was able to replenish a dd and there’s a chance for more

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Ooh should I do big or quick spin? I’m using Achilles

signal aspen
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whats the third option

polar quail
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Breaching skewer

signal aspen
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what biome are you in

lone kernel
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probably that lol

polar quail
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Elysium

signal aspen
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breaching and then pray for anvil

lone kernel
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pardon my bad handwriting, that's my elysium keepsake flowchart

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*assumes LC4/SD and EM3

signal aspen
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bro i literally cant read that

brisk quiver
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Hey if i uninstall and reinstall Does it mean i have to reinstall mods aswell?

lone kernel
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it was for @polar quail you already know everything covered there dont worry about it

polar quail
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Ok I’ll go with breaching skewer

brisk quiver
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Man... Maybe ill have to do that

lone kernel
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shoulda just recorded a cat video instead tho

brisk quiver
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No ones responding in tech and idk else to do

lone kernel
brisk quiver
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Why?

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This could be somehow a mod issue?

lone kernel
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because they may have a solution for you

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that doesnt require uninstall

brisk quiver
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Oh ok

lone kernel
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yeah im not being like dismissive

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im tryin to give u the tools to solve ur problem

brisk quiver
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Oh ok thank you

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Ill try

lone kernel
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those folks will be the ones that will know

polar quail
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Extended jab triple jab or flaring spin

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Achilles spear

lone kernel
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triple i guess

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achilles hammer guide: flurry jab, everything else

polar quail
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Patty pls show up I need 2 more dds shadegrief

lone kernel
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the triple hit dash strike if you're feeling chad

high island
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I like Extending Jab best out of those three.

lone kernel
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or wanna be like me and get yourself killed

polar quail
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Hmm thanthink

high island
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One health bar is all you need. dusa

polar quail
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YES he showed

high island
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Nice! Get that Jerky! dusa

polar quail
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let's go I have mirage shot and hunting blades going into the thesus/asterius fight

lone kernel
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what were you worried about KEK

brisk trail
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pretty poggers, at 32 heat?

polar quail
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wow you won't believe what just happened bouldy

gray apex
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I cant read that either

high island
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I can read it just fine.

fast willow
polar quail
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that death was so embarrassing bouldy

high island
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Well.

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Time to go get killed again. dusa

polar quail
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the game's constantly giving me the gods I need naturally so that's good

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maybe I can get the combo again

high island
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What are you trying to do?

strong ridge
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win

polar quail
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mirage shot/hunting blades achilles spear

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the build was suggested to me yesterday so I'm trying it out

high island
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Ah.

polar quail
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i'm also doing my first run with em3 and first 20 heat run.

high island
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Well, you either start Tidal Dash and look for Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark and only worry about Mirage + Hunting Blades if you happen to run into Lord Ares... or you start Slicing Shot and only worry about getting Hunting Blades + Vicious Cycle and maybe some extra Casts/bonus Cast damage.

polar quail
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yeah I got vicious cycle last run. I tend to start with ares' keepsake

high island
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If your main focus is getting both Hunting Blades and Mirage Shot, it's gonna be pretty inconsistent and probably missing a lot of good opportunities for better damage.

polar quail
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I keep getting poseidon naturally

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I'm mostly focusing on hunting blades though

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so I usually have both of them in asphodel

lone kernel
# gray apex doctor confirmed

my fourth grade teacher was worried i might have brain problems because of my handwriting so parents took me to a neurologist to make sure. turns out - i'm fine, i just have clinically bad handwriting

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21 years later, it is still booty

polar quail
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so what's the deal with em3 anyway? I'm finding it to be the only difficult part of doing 20 heat

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how should I dodge their attacks?

gray apex
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You have to learnt their patterns and practice the timing etc, there is a lot of area of denial in EM3

strong ridge
polar quail
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blade rifts are fun. beyblade contest against alecto

brisk trail
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so lucifer rail

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the eternal chamber hammer seems good with zeus

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but how is it with hangover?

gray apex
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It's pretty bad overall

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With both Zeus and Hangover

brisk trail
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oh okay

gray apex
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You don't wanna be holding down your attack for that long

strong ridge
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does luci buff even affect flat dmg

gray apex
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The 20 clip is enough, and the ramp up is decent damage, also your main damage is coming from other sources most of the time, so you're fine with applying 5 hangover stacks then relocating/using your Special/Dash

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It doesn't

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But Lucifer has no dash strike

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So if you hold down your attack and dash you're pretty much 100% vulnerable

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Therefore you shouldnt do it

brisk trail
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lol ok rail gun is way outta my league

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witch rooms no fun

high island
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Just gotta get a decent build.

polar quail
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should i turn off f01 while i'm trying to beat em3

high island
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Up to you.

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EM3 is a lot easier without FO.

polar quail
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it's neat that the game feels challenging again but man this fight does not seem fair bouldy

gray apex
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wait until you see a beefy EM4

high island
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EM3 FO on melee is tough.

polar quail
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to make this 20 heat means I guess I'm trying td3 without f01 bouldy

high island
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FO isn't gonna make a huge difference for your IGT unless you're pushing like into sub 10.

polar quail
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oh wait, I could do benefits package instead since td3 might be pushing it at this stage

polar quail
high island
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Just gotta get more practice in either way.

brisk trail
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What's going on

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I cant beat Hades

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With 2 heat

polar quail
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well that spear playing was fun.. dusa time to try beowulf

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does thanatos ever talk to meg

ionic quiver
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how the hell are you supposed to beat elysium with bow

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I lost all my health to theseus and minatour

gray apex
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You get used to it the more you practice the weapon and learn the patterns/timings

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Bow is one of the safest weapons for the Champions fight

ionic quiver
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well yea but
when you have a goddamn bull chasing your azz and some narcissist black douche preparing to stab that spear to your bthole and some olympian gods "testing" you it is damn hard to find a safe spot

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plus

gray apex
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It can be yea

ionic quiver
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ALSO

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theseus's shield

gray apex
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Well powershotting matters more than your distance does

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Unless you have Point-blank in which case you wanna be close but it's still very forgiving

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Also having good damage helps

ionic quiver
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yes

gray apex
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So you dont have to spend too much time in there

ionic quiver
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but if I dont have something that helps in close range

kindred silo
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Dash away

ionic quiver
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i'd be counting on my red orb thingies until I find some damn spot

ionic quiver
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also special really helps if I use aspet of chiron
but I need some good damn boons for that to be efficent

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might as well try again

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I beat Hades in every other 5 weapon on heat Gauge

mint coral
ionic quiver
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c a s t

brisk trail
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poseidon feels like a cheese build lol

proud pilot
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guys we can only use our companion once during dad fight right? im not sure but i think i saw some YT videos where the guy use 2 megs (im maybe wrong but i prefer ask)

brisk trail
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heroic tidal dash is just 2 shotting everything

ionic quiver
slim geyser
ionic quiver
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splosh splosh

proud pilot
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okay šŸ™‚

ionic quiver
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uh should I go for ares or demotrius i have two option rn

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at tarsus

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wait nvm I can get doom

slim geyser
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demotrius-?

twin thistle
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demeter?

devout terrace
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tarsus thanthink

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susssy

ionic quiver
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it isnt?

slim geyser
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who

twin thistle
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dunno

signal aspen
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bull man?

brisk trail
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im on the struggle bus learning 32 heat and posideon is like "bro u dont even need a weapon watch"

proud pilot
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xd

ionic quiver
slim geyser
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OH

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DIONYSUS

devout terrace
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Dionysus

ionic quiver
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dionysussy

brisk trail
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dio-nice-us

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i was having a good time pronouncing his name wrong until zag spoke up

ionic quiver
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lul

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piercing volley or sniper shot

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or triple shot idk how efficent it is

brisk trail
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triple probably

signal aspen
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triple shot

brisk trail
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sniper is garbo

twin thistle
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triple is triple damage dusa

brisk trail
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if you get ontop of a mob all 3 will hit

mint coral
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Bow? More like shotgun

ionic quiver
prime lantern
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Is it better kb and mouse or the other thing?

twin thistle
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depends on the player tm

mint coral
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Whatever you like more

signal aspen
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if youre a gamer play kbm

twin thistle
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real gamers play controller and mouse

brisk trail
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so with stubborn defiance and LC4 im just perpetually at 30% hp?

twin thistle
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unless you find patty, touch of styx, or last stand

brisk trail
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those add a DD yeah?

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i turned down last stand cuz i was like "heh, stupid"

twin thistle
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if youve lost your sd in that chamber already then youll get a dd

brisk trail
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how does being always at 30% hp make more sense than having 3 lives with over 100hp bouldy

twin thistle
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otherwise youll only get the extra healing

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well if youre at lc4 youll have no healing

signal aspen
brisk trail
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bleh

ionic quiver
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i remember i once tried to "borrow" a bag of stuff from Charon thinking it wouldn't happen since I didn't have enough coin,but no Charon slapped tf outta me

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mans a little too op for a boat boi

slim geyser
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td3 going okay so far

high island
devout terrace
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Every 62 heat clear has been with kbmshadedisgruntled

gray apex
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kbm real gamers

signal aspen
gray apex
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yea totally

devout terrace
novel wasp
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dionysus

slim geyser
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we’re not making sub 15 i dont think :(

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elysium took so long

safe shoal
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hey guys just wondering how do I unlock my weapon aspects

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I reached hades but they still ain't appearing

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do I have to beat him to get them

gray apex
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You have to unlock all the base ones using keys

high island
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(1) we're not all guys dusa , (2) gotta unlock all weapons then do 1 more run.

safe shoal
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oh ok thank you

ionic quiver
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but oh well we still have ladies and gentlemen

high island
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'Tis not neutral really.

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Y'all, folks, etc. all work pretty well.

ionic quiver
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fellas?

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fellas works too

high island
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Sure.

ionic quiver
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uh

slim geyser
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clockets op

ionic quiver
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explosive shot with triple shot do be op

slate fossil
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Has anyone asked Supergiant to add a list for all the Daedelus enchantments similar to the boon list? Also wouldn’t it be nice if there was an indicator to show which ones are equipped (besides looking at the requirements of OTHER boons or going back and forth with the side bar)?

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If not, I’m asking! Please Supergiant? 🄺

ionic quiver
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sweet I have 16 titan blood rn

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which weapon do I use em on

polar quail
slate fossil
ionic quiver
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i try out all of them but I use bow lesser than others

gray apex
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You mean same as the boons are listed in the Codex for each god?

polar quail
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eris rail is a fun one

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zeus shield

ionic quiver
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and some +

slim geyser
#

got my statue (and my sub 15)
quite cursed

polar quail
#

I haven't even gotten a sub 20 yet

slate fossil
#

I save my titan blood so I can unlock new aspects asap and only level up the last one most of the time

ionic quiver
#

well I have 16

slate fossil
#

Leveling up the last ones are expensive

polar quail
#

you should probably level them up based on which ones you use often

ionic quiver
#

ill go for shield then

#

it is neat

polar quail
#

you should use zeus shield

#

the hidden shield is also fun when you unlock it

ionic quiver
#

yea I unlocked it

high island
slate fossil
#

I level up the 3rd one for bow

polar quail
#

I'd recommend using one of those, try to save your blood

ionic quiver
#

i used 6 blood

#

dont wanna go down 10

#

rn

slate fossil
ionic quiver
#

man feels kinda weird knowing that olympian gods help me just because they think i am struggling to get to olympus

#

goddammit our mom

high island
#

That's definitely an improvement.

#

Quite wordy, though.

slim geyser
#

i am not liking 16 heat rn

polar quail
#

also you did em3 before right? Can you offer me some advice with that

high island
#

Practice. dusa

slim geyser
#

HOLY THAT WAS CLOSE
beat 16 heat hades, 10 hp left

high island
#

What's killing you?

#

Congratulations!

slim geyser
#

also i think i see whats going on with the epilogue šŸ‘€

#

want to max out relationships with everyone anyway

#

wow the next statue is even more cursed

polar quail
#

congratulations

#

but yeah what was your main issue with 16 heat

slim geyser
#

mostly just the damage i was taking in normal rooms

polar quail
#

oh

brisk trail
#

anyone here bored + owns a drawing tablet? i was working on a meme in clip studio to post to the subreddit and im not gonna finish it because im lazy; maybe someone else can be creative with the idea in my stead

#

basically the other day i determined theseus bears an uncanny resemblance to homelander from The Boys (and now I can't unsee it every time i go thru elysium) so i was gonna redraw theseus but with homelander's super-suit, then got tired of it 30 minutes in

#

idk if it wouldve been funny; but if someone else wants to do it go ahead šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

polar quail
#

shiny asterius comes equipped with massive spin

#

at least I got some practice in even though I died to him. dusa

slim geyser
#

shiny asterius buff

#

please yell at me to remember to give the gods nectar because i keep forgetting and its driving me on sane

gilded leaf
#

give the gods nectar

polar quail
#

give the gods nectar

slim geyser
#

guys i caught a sturgeon giving posideon nectar blessed me thank you for yelling at me

#

and i can give dad nectar too

brisk trail
#

Would you guys say that hidden aspect is worth it on fists?

signal aspen
#

It can be fun

#

But it's a lot weaker than other aspects

last veldt
#

Don't plan on making it your main

brisk trail
#

Shame, looks like it has potential

subtle coral
#

any tips against theseus and asterius?

brisk trail
#

I always focus down the bull first

#

Is the rails hidden aspect worth upgrading at all?

slim geyser
#

oh god i have to choose between smair and low tolerance
might go with low tolerance because it is a hang over focused build

lone kernel
slim geyser
#

might be able to get smair too

opal moat
#

Is there any trick to getting the legendary boons?

#

I have been trying for demeter's to complete the prophecy list for like 20 runs now

#

have gods' legacy on and always save persuasion for her after I get the required boons but she refuses to give it to me

#

is there a better chance if I go out of my way to avoid any duo boons

slim geyser
#

dont think so

brisk trail
#

but they cant give duo boons

polar quail
#

since i'm trying to avoid thesus on em3, would it be best to not damage him and asterius at the start and then use meg once asterius is dead?

#

well I did that, but i timed out. still beat them tho but i lost my defiances in the process

brisk trail
#

i dont think that matters much

#

getting a double hit with meg is too stronk

polar quail
#

ok

#

ugh i was so close. got 3 sacked and died to td because I had 1 defiance while i was in phase 2

#

for the em3 prophecy do you have to wear conch shell or just encounter poseidon

last veldt
#

Just find him

polar quail
last veldt
#

Not sure. Possibly.

#

Using the shell is obviously it a good way to force it.

runic parrot
#

iirc it doesnt have to be

#

just meet him after doing whatever it is he asked you to do

narrow hemlock
#

for the em3 quest it does for poseidon to count it

#

if you run em3 regularly it won't matter but if you only run it for the quest you do need to have defeated armoured theseus on the previous run to get the dialogue from poseidon

polar quail
#

The more I play this game the more I appreciate it from a gameplay aspect and how complex it is overall

#

I have a question

#

What would your definition of an experienced player of the game look like

brisk trail
#

this game just refuses to give me aphro attack

#

nvm xd

slim geyser
#

damn hunting blades op

#

got a win without attacking or using special on dad once

proud pilot
#

but hades is the kind of game where i think you always have things to learn/improve

polar quail
#

Today I got no wins

#

After I finish my Beowulf 20 heat run I wonder what aspect I should try 24 heat with

proud pilot
#

take your favourit šŸ™‚

polar quail
#

Ok

#

My favorites are Eris, Demeter, Zeus, Beowulf, and Hera

polar quail
proud pilot
#

I think Gilga is my fav, but recently i had some very fun runs with Guan Yu and Rama

polar quail
signal aspen
#

you should

#

be a gamer

polar quail
signal aspen
#

maybe

polar quail
signal aspen
#

gilg is very clunky

polar quail
#

I also never used guan yu

polar quail
#

What would you say is the worst weapon aspect on 32 heat

signal aspen
#

gilgamesh all aspects are good at 32 heat

polar quail
#

Even the boring zag ones?

signal aspen
#

yeah

#

zag shield just cleared 62 heat

polar quail
#

Bruh

#

bouldy how

signal aspen
#

this is actually the second time it cleared 62 heat

polar quail
#

Is there a video

signal aspen
#

there was but its gone now

#

idk why

polar quail
#

Aw

signal aspen
#

the link doesnt work

polar quail
#

I wanted to see

signal aspen
#

but hopefully angel will post his 62 zag shield clear

#

soon

polar quail
#

So that’s max heat right

signal aspen
#

no 64 is

polar quail
#

Oh right

#

So which pact wasn’t taken

signal aspen
#

ri4

#

it removes SD

polar quail
#

Ah

#

Yeah that would be terrible

#

Max heat sounds impossible

signal aspen
#

baj actually made it to second phase of hades on 64 heat

#

and there was a routed 64 heat clear

#

also by baj

polar quail
signal aspen
#

yeah lemme find it

twin thistle
#

think its this

signal aspen
#

yeah that

#

routed clear

feral belfry
#

Wait I thought nobody had done max heat

signal aspen
#

its routed

#

basically means everything in the run is perfect

#

rooms

#

boons

#

everything

feral belfry
#

Ooh

#

So all the boons and hammers were pre determined

signal aspen
#

kinda

#

specific actions that baj does manipulate the rng

feral belfry
#

Hm

signal aspen
#

like casting and hitting summon before each room

feral belfry
#

Wait is that an exploit and not a mod?

signal aspen
#

i dont know if any mods were used

#

ask cgull

feral belfry
#

Interesting, I do not fully understand this mechanic but am intrigued

polar quail
#

Watched it

#

Wow

feral belfry
#

Where can I read up on routing I'm so confused lol. Even if it's an exploit if it's not a mod that's kinda legit

signal aspen
#

uh you can ask in #routed-runs in the speedcord

feral belfry
#

Cool

signal aspen
#

they're actually making an eris route rn and its crazy

feral belfry
#

What do you mean they? A person can route a run and then share it with others? Or just share how to do it

signal aspen
#

both i think

feral belfry
polar quail
#

I wonder when the next monthly challenge is going to be posted

signal aspen
polar quail
#

500% movement speed????

#

How

signal aspen
#

its not 500% movement speed but its pretty high i think

#

they just buy a bunch of ignited ichors from wells

#

its pretty cool

feral belfry
#

Dear god

proud pilot
#

omg guys

#

i went from heats 12 to 32, and died to dad 2nd phase, he had like... 5% hp?

#

....

#

soooooo frustrating ^^

#

my ares call ended, and dad hit me once right at this moment, and i died. could have ended him with one more hit

#

damn beating a 32 heats for a first try would have been awesome

#

i did the whole dad fight with 30% hp and no DD lol

#

pretty proud of me even if i failed

lone kernel
#

based. run it back!

#

@feral belfry routed runs are kinda insane to get working, like if you press the summon button one extra time the entire thing is ruined

feral belfry
#

How do people even figure this out?

twin thistle
#

either experimenting or looking at the code ig

lone kernel
placid storm
#

Yeah genuinely the way expertise in a certain field can change the way you view the world is actually amazing

#

Like if you look at the internals of a computer some people will have no idea what does what and why it's there, but others will be able to figure nearly everything out about it

fossil gyro
#

lets go i got the credits

#

i l;ove this game

oak ibex
#

Me trying to get better on TD: AAAAAAAAA

fossil gyro
#

wait i got all the keepsakes not including chthonic companions, why did i not get the something from everyone acheivement

#

is that a glitch

#

or something

#

oh i need to get one from hades

limpid pond
#

I'm having problems getting achels keep sack need help

karmic trellis
fossil gyro
#

no thats for a different achievement

karmic trellis
#

oh yeah u right sorry

#

yeah i'd guess you need the one from hades if you don't have it

limpid pond
#

Can someone help me with fishing

chrome wharf
#

cast rod when you see a shiny spot in water (the game will tell you of it with a dinggggg sound effect)

#

when the bob goes down with a sharp sound, reel it in

#

fake bob has a lighter sound and no flash on top of the bob

chrome wharf
#

also if you get 3 fake bobs, the 4th is guarantee real

#

Some people focus on the flash, some focus on the sound, use what works for you

limpid pond
#

Hey I'm bord does any one want to hop into a vc and talk

karmic trellis
karmic trellis
#

joycons have hd rumble

chrome wharf
#

The first thing I do in any game is to turn off vibrate and screen shake lol

solemn quail
#

Hey

chrome wharf
#

hewo

feral belfry
#

Uh I just used a keepsake to force a god and made it all the way through without it dropping

twin thistle
#

aspho with mini boss skip thanthink

feral belfry
#

Can you explain?

twin thistle
#

well aspho is short and mini boss wouldve guaranteed had the god so if you got like a chaos or something and skipped mini boss then tbh the chance aint that low to not get the god if you also came in without hermes

slim geyser
#

considering practicing 32 heat

#

i need that last statue damn it

feral belfry
#

got it

#

I've never had that happen before

#

but I did take a chaos gatew

proud pilot
#

i don't understand something, i just did heats 18 with the bow and i can still get the rewards for doing heats 12? i tought i couldnt get rewards if i wasnt doing heats 18+ now oO

feral belfry
#

you get rewards for every heat increase until 20

#

If you beat heat 1, and then do heat 5, you'll get rewards for heat 2. if you did heat 5 again, you'd get rewards for heat 3

#

until you're caught up

twin thistle
#

whenever you complete a run with the heat gauge filled it just increases the minimum heat needed to get rewards by 1

proud pilot
#

ahhh !!

#

ok ^^'

limpid pond
#

Does any one want to vc

vital sparrow
#

LETS GOOO

#

I BEAT HIM

#

finnaly

#

dude

#

that took to many hours

#

and that run i unlocked aspect of beo

#

and didnt even get to use it

iron oyster
#

Beat who

vital sparrow
#

hades

#

lol

iron oyster
#

Wait first clear?

vital sparrow
#

yup lmao

iron oyster
#

Or em4

#

What how did you unlock Beowulf on first clear

#

Oh wait you revealed it you didn’t buy it

vital sparrow
#

oh yeah but shh

#

bc i couldnt

iron oyster
#

Yeah

vital sparrow
#

i unlocked it during the run

iron oyster
#

That’s mathematically incorrect I think to unlock beo on 1st clear

#

Oh wait no actually if you’re desperate enough you can trade in ALL your ambrosia and diamonds on all weapons for blood

#

And get lucky on broker trades

#

Or just have way too much nectar

north storm
vital sparrow
#

yeah but

#

atleast im done with that hell

#

pun not intended

#

lol

iron oyster
#

I don’t wanna deal with em4

#

I just beat normal hades for the first time like 2 days ago

gray apex
#

EM4 is okay on its own

iron oyster
#

Tbf I probably coulda taken the 3rd phase on that run I had half health and 2 dds left

iron oyster
iron oyster
gray apex
iron oyster
#

I probably wouldn’t even have made it to hades if it was full em4

iron oyster
#

I’ve heard of people dying to the revive wave because they legit just forgot they turned on em4

vital sparrow
#

oh and that was all for nothing

#

damn

gray apex
north storm
#

What heat modifiers do y'all usually stay away from?

gray apex
#

nothing bouldy

#

It depends on how much heat you're doing

#

AP at 32 is pretty bad but at like 45 it's a good pick

#

But overall stay away from AP2 RI CP and DC on some aspects

subtle coral
#

i didnt expect the soundtrack to be so fire though

#

quite literally troll

north storm
void vigil
vital sparrow
#

do you guys like fated authprity or fated persuasion more

kindred silo
#

Persuasion

gray apex
# north storm Don't have all the abbrevs. memorized but ok šŸ™ˆ

Approval Process crosses away boon options, AP1 is okay since it crosses 1 option only so you can manage (still would not take until atleast 40), RI cuts your mirror down, the first point removes Dark Foresight and rerolls which means you'll have much weaker builds (you start taking this at 50+), CP is just bad because it affects bosses health aswell so overall you'll have to spend more time on those AND enemies also have that health increase so it's like all around not recommended until 45+, DC is fine on like Eris Rama etc, but on some aspects there is never a situation where you take it (like Hestia etc)

vital sparrow
#

ok

gray apex
#

But like there is a lot of other stuff aswell

#

CF2 is bad

#

JS is bad

#

So it just depends

#

On how much heat you're doing and the aspect/build and how you good you are at handling multiple heat modifiers together

slow patio
#

Is there a possibility to create a language opion chat ? I mean like a french one for all the frogs eaters, portugueuse, german, etc... ?

iron oyster
#

Also my WiFi died damn

north storm
iron oyster
#

Funny thing is, someone beat em4 hades with mirror of night upgrades disabled and purged all their boons

ionic quiver
#

Hey I got 11 titan blood,should I unlock aspect of guan yu?

gray apex
#

There are better options

#

Guan Yu wants levels because the penalty is too hard to deal with at lv1 or 2

high island
#

Not everyone can be HAAAARRRDCOOOORRREE like me.

ionic quiver
#

Hordkor

signal aspen
gray apex
#

amazing thumbnail btw

ionic quiver
#

should I get extending jab or triple jab

#

yall

#

oh nvm

mint coral
proud pilot
#

zag shield wow, the only one i didnt upgrade for the moment

#

ah its a modded run

gray apex
#

At this level modded helps you play the game

#

Because on unmodded you’re gonna be resetting for ages

proud pilot
#

yeah totaly understandable

last veldt
#

Best Zag shield (no upgrade) attack boon?

proud pilot
#

i discovered the "routed" runs yesterday too. Thats crazy

void vigil
#

just had zagreus say "hello wavemakers! i, too, can make waves." presumably because i had the piercing wave hammer. that is... amazing, lol.

gray apex
#

lmao

#

I've never heard that line

devout terrace
#

Wow

proud pilot
#

lol ^^

proud pilot
#

watched that whole 62 heats run, awesome

#

guys, when did you start using SD instead of DD ?

#

i will have to get used to it one day

devout terrace
proud pilot
#

ah ok, yeah with LC4 thats your only way to heal ^^

polar quail
#

First time I used benefits package max I was like what did I turn jury summons on

ionic quiver
#

theseus and minatour are much more annoying than hades tbh

#

MF KEEPS THROWING THAT PINK SPEAR EVERYTIME I REMOTELY TRY TO ATTACK HIM

#

I have 4 goddamn dashes and I BARELY not get hit by it somehow

void vigil
ionic quiver
feral belfry
#

The spear has a cross hair that locks onto you and makes a noise right before he throws. It's pretty predictable, or just stand in front of a pillar

#

When he throws the spear, he will turn around and show his back

#

That's when you attack, not before

polar quail
#

doing 24 heat now

#

i took conch shell for the ambrosia reward for em3

#

letting zag die so I can get my reward dusa

feral belfry
high island
#

Just win.

polar quail
#

i know I could've just continued

high island
#

You don't need to have the Conch Shell on you for that to work btw.

polar quail
#

but i realized I took the wrong weapon

high island
#

I mean at that point might as well just finish the run lol.

polar quail
#

eh I was early in tartarus

#

so I wasn't losing progress

#

probably won't do that often though

#

so would the best route be to jump to 32 heat after 24?

signal aspen
#

go up one heat at a time until you reach 32

#

or just go straight to 32

polar quail
#

one heat at a time seems like it makes little difference

solemn wind
#

Dumb Question Is there any way to skip levels or do you always have to start at Tartarus?

polar quail
#

always start at tartarus

hearty mural
#

Is it possible to do so much damage so quickly you skip the dog call in em4?

signal aspen
#

yes

mint coral
#

Cerb skips are fun

feral belfry
#

Imo

mint coral
#

I did the jump from 19 to 32

feral belfry
#

Bam

polar quail
#

or if I die. whatever happens first. dusa

feral belfry
#

Obviously the pact is super important

polar quail
#

Of course

feral belfry
#

So feel confident in that or ask for advice

#

It'll change depending on weapon

polar quail
#

right, I'm going to go with eris rail for my first 32 heat run

slim geyser
#

i might try beo on mine

polar quail
#

I love beowulf it's fun

#

after I finish 32 heat with all weapons I guess my next goals are sub 20, sub 15, and sub 10 minutes

slim geyser
#

im only doing 32 for the statue tbh

#

ill prob do that eventually but i want to do all weapons on all heats that actually have bounties

#

then work on sub 10

polar quail
#

i jump heats a lot and since I'm not focused on maxing all the weapons I tend to ignore them

slim geyser
#

i want to do all weapons simply for the satisfaction of having all the stuff.

polar quail
#

makes sense, being a completionist isn't very enjoyable to me though

#

last I checked you have like 66 wins so you're very close to finishing that goal

polar quail
slim geyser
#

i think i have like 18
and most of them tbh, i havent maxed out many of them yet

polar quail
#

perhaps that was someone else

#

i've only maxed out the zag bow

#

I'm going to max out beowulf, eris, zeus shield, demeter fists, and maybe hera since they're my favorite aspects to play with.

#

Hera is at level 3 and doesn't really need the levels but I chose to upgrade it twice to try and get a better clear time.

lone kernel
lone kernel
# slim geyser then work on sub 10

32 heat and sub-10 clears require different techniques but both fall under the general "git gud" doctrine of post-epilogue hades - doing one will improve the other šŸ™‚

#

also give nectar to the gods @slim geyser

polar quail
#

yeah be sure to give nectar to the gods dusa

#

I'm almost at the epilogue I just need to give one more god ambrosia

slim geyser
#

i keep forgetting and then i run out of nectar

polar quail
#

and then do the final part

slim geyser
#

im almost maxed out my bond with Artemis at least

polar quail
#

who are you giving them to anyway dusa

#

I maxed Meg, Thanatos, Dusa, Dionysus, Artemis, Zeus, Athena, and Ares

#

now that I've done aphro's favor I should be ready to give her ambrosia once she shows up

#

oh and hades

#

forgot him

gray apex
#

lol

slim geyser
polar quail
#

he shows up pretty often for me

lone kernel
polar quail
#

yeah because sometimes he just leaves immediately after you talk to him

lone kernel
#

Or always lol

slim geyser
#

yeah thats what i do

lone kernel
#

Just making sure šŸ™‚

#

You can trade gems for nectar too

slim geyser
#

he shows up like once an irl week or less its very annoying

lone kernel
#

How many runs are u playing a week tho that seems low

polar quail
#

once a week? bouldy

slim geyser
#

depends

slim geyser
#

he just refuses ig
see him a lot while playing but hes never at the house

signal aspen
#

once a week thanthink

lone kernel
#

You gotta be fast on your nectar you can gift in the run too

signal aspen
#

every RTA runner is extremely jealous

lone kernel
#

So give nectar but fast. Speedrun nectar party

slim geyser
#

wait you can gift him nectar in the run? doesnt seem to let me

polar quail
#

he usually leaves a lot and doesn't let you but I think I did at least once

slim geyser
#

same

#

but after that i cant

tribal sleet
#

yeah ive gifted him on runs

#

how many hearts are u at ?

slim geyser
#

not sure ill check

signal aspen
#

i think you can give him nectar in runs for the first few hearts

lone kernel
#

Yeah you got like eight seconds to do it

#

It’s not reliable like if you finish the room far from exit you won’t get it

#

Trying to be at the exit as combat ends in a room is a general best practice that’ll serve you well to achieve your speed goals down the road, good opportunity to practice for the major leagues soon

slim geyser
#

oh yeah ive been trying to do that

polar quail
#

imagine if you could use companions multiple times in one encounter

slim geyser
#

i wish

#

id save mine all for dad tbh

polar quail
#

dad cheese strategy

#

I'd use for that and thesus/asterius

#

thesus/asterius twice and dad 3 times

#

it would be too easy though dusa

slim geyser
#

but yeah im saving my gemstones and just dont come across nectar much ig? and then i just blank when i see the gods

polar quail
#

"boon time" click "great i forgot to give it to them" dusa

slim geyser
#

literally

#

"oh cool maybe i can get support fire"
and then as your clearing the next room it suddenly dawns on you.

slim geyser
#

alr gonna attempt a 32 heat run

polar quail
slim geyser
#

prob beowulf

polar quail
#

nice. beowulf is great

mint coral
#

Beo comfy

polar quail
#

Have sub 10s been achieved with every weapon aspect?

signal aspen
#

yeah

high island
#

Ages ago. dusa

twin thistle
#

sub 8s too

polar quail
#

i figured as much I just wanted to be sure

#

wow

twin thistle
#

idk about sub 7

polar quail
#

you mean minutes right, not seconds dusa

#

imagine sub 8 seconds run

signal aspen
#

ive gotten a sub 8 second death

twin thistle
#

fastest is sub 3 min routed

polar quail
#

ok so in other words sub 10 minutes with every aspect is an achievable goal. thanthink

twin thistle
#

sure

devout terrace
#

unmodded

#

chaos shield was the last one

#

by tounis

slim geyser
#

thans here
hes talking to hypnos
why

icy knoll
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will there ever be a point where i get to explore the surface instead of getting the text about how zag dies

polar quail
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zag always dies. it's the rules

narrow hemlock
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there's a story reason why zag can't stay on the surface

feral belfry
high island
devout terrace
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it was deleted

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but it was achieved

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6:51 by highfivesfromryan

high island
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Ah nice.

polar quail
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alright 32 heat time !

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we're not gonna talk about how I was on track to have a fast time but died since I had 6:44 on the clock and was after the midpoint of elysium.

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*died since asterius killed me multiple times and I was finished off by a regular enemy

icy knoll
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thought if i got the epilogue i might be able to go back there

polar quail
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i haven't gotten the epilogue yet but I'm pretty sure it just shows a scene after that

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but it has nothing to do with the surface I think

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yep I'd like to take a moment of silence for attempt #167

feral belfry
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Rip

polar quail
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bouldy pain

brisk trail
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are you using SD or DD

polar quail
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me?

brisk trail
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yes u

polar quail
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thanthink well I guess if I use lc4 I'm going to take stubborn defiance

brisk trail
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it took some getting used to but sudoku'ing to traps/lava or the last mob ends up making the trade well worth it

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and patroculus gives you a 15 encounter item to come back with way more life

twin thistle
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i wouldnt use lc2 if youre using sd's though

brisk trail
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lc4 felt ridiculous but lc3 with healing items can keep you in decent shape

twin thistle
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when your pact also has cf2 then youre paying a lot for not much healing. touch of styxs do the job if they come up and youre better off just turning off cp and being able to buy boons

polar quail
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I have dusa maxed out but it didn't say the bond was forged

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what happened

slim geyser
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holy i just beat em3 theseus and asterius with 5 seconds on the clock and no dds

polar quail
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Nice job

polar quail
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neat meg just mentioned she died to me fifty times dusa

slim geyser
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yup
and iiii died to a satyr

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posion sucks

polar quail
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poison should be deleted from the game

slim geyser
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fact tbh

twin thistle
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poison gud. can reset sd faster. timesave stonks

slim geyser
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gonna try again with eris

proud pilot
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oh damn i gifted the last 4 ambrosias to Dusa and i dont know why but i think she will be in my room after my next run... šŸ˜‚ dusa

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at least she'll be already there to clean the mess dusa

slim geyser
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how tf do people get heroic boons i

twin thistle
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replacement on an epic boon, rare crop, or ambrosia delight from eurydice

proud pilot
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i dont know the english name of the boon that reduce your boons to commun then increase his level every X rooms but when you get it in tartarus you're happy šŸ˜„

twin thistle
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thats rare crop

proud pilot
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ah ok šŸ™‚

slim geyser
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wait so if i got rare crop in tartarus, and had uhh say zeus special and aphro attack, if i got more boons after only zeus and aphro would keep upgrading right

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and does it effect hermes boons

proud pilot
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yeah when you pick rare crop they'll keep leveling up even if you take other boons

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yeah i suppose it works also on hermes boons

twin thistle
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dont think it hits hermes but eurydice can hit them

proud pilot
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oh

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thats good to know about hermes

steep comet
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nice, cloud save didn't save my last 2 runs, good thing I manually saved before transferring pcs

proud pilot
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the fun thing with eurydice ambrosia is that when you do high heats you have most of the times less boons (because you have to sell some at the end of each level) and then you have more chance to make it hit the good boons ^^

proud pilot
polar quail
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my bond isn't forged with dusa. how come

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she's on all hearts

narrow hemlock
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additional dialogue required

polar quail
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I figured

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just wanted to be sure

lone kernel
brisk quiver
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hey how is the shattered shackle keepsake?

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also if i understood correctly its no longer active once u recieved your first boon?

mint coral
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If you take an attack bonus you lose bonus to attac

thorn gust
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it counts for each slot

mint coral
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And keep spcial/cast

thorn gust
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so if you don't have a cast boon yet, your cast will still be boosted by shackle

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same with attack/special/dash

mint coral
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Shackle is good for boonless or high enough heat where you dont wanna keep resseting for a good attack

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Mainly ap2/ri

gray apex
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Or for Shackle flare beowulf

mint coral
icy knoll
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how do i use aspect of lucifer

gilded leaf
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point

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shoot

hearty mural
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For the mirror less run clear accolade can I just do RI4?

feral belfry
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I believe so

polar quail
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Got my first 32 heat clear ever AND a sub 20

slim geyser
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attempt 4 of trying to get a 32 clear failed to hades
F

polar quail
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Check out my win!

slim geyser
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oh thans here

polar quail
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Took me 11 tries. Surprisingly low

signal aspen
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i did 32 heat first try git gud

polar quail
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Now im going to do the other 5 weapons on 32