h1-discussion

[lone kernel]

to get the buff, just shoot it up close to a bad guy

[spice hearth]

or shoot a wall

[lone kernel]

you will see yourself on fire when you have it

[spice hearth]

just need to be in the explosion

[lone kernel]

yea

[mint coral]

for the wr? check #personal-bests in the speedrun server

[lone kernel]

thanks!

[reef zodiac]

Very well

[lone kernel]

hot diggity

thats insane

[mint coral]

It is

[full nexus]

You'll get the damage buff by staying at close range, which is the optimal way to play the weapon anyway

the explosion has an aoe that grants the buff

[reef zodiac]

Rocket Eris goated

[mint coral]

Vod for the rama wr in #any-heat btw @lone kernel

[lone kernel]

Thanks bud

[mint coral]

bounties at 20, last skelly statue at 32, normal mode caps at 63 and hell mode at 64

[full nexus]

Personal Liability

Disables the shield you get when taking a too large % of your hp

I guess it was part of the difficulty design

Hell mode locks Jury Summons, Lasting consequences, Callisthenics program, and HL at their first lv and then you have PL.

Basically : more damage, more enemies that have more hp, less healing

Needless to say, pushing heat on a normal file is quite equivalent to hell mode. You just don't have access to PL, which can actually be detrimental because that 1 heat is useful to play with (I'm talking about 50 heat pacts)

I think it is beatable

It's both incredibly hard and very demanding rng wise

Baj has done a 64 heat run, routed.

It's about manipulating rng (both for boons and rooms)

Baj is the best Zeus player alive

[mint coral]

Baj also reached dad on modded unseeded no?

[full nexus]

One of the best player period

Although he retired :(

Very nice guy too

[lone kernel]

I mean if you beat 64

fair enough lol

[full nexus]

his goal was to do it unseeded

[lone kernel]

Wish Tom Brady was like that

[full nexus]

but the toll is too great

[full nexus]

absolutely

haha

[chrome wharf]

devs prob didn't want to lock dialogue behind something that hard

looking at you, dead cells

[full nexus]

the game is not even balanced for 45 heat+

[chrome wharf]

dead cells is like Hades but if dad gets FO3 every run

[full nexus]

oh yeah

You have dialogues for reaching dad without boons

that's about it

[chrome wharf]

sniff sniff

so boons having smells is canon

[mint coral]

what does deflect smells like

[raw herald]

Idk man

[fickle shore]

If we go the non joke route, I'd say Zeus boons smell like Ozone

And Athena's boons like Olives

[mint coral]

as someone with-

[fickle shore]

Since, y'know, she created the olives?

[lone kernel]

Just took a shower

Smelling like Athena

wash my hair with olive oil

[chrome wharf]

[mint coral]

tech support should be fine? i think

[signal aspen]

its a really good idea

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that’s kinda how you play Gil

[reef zodiac]

No

[manic bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/rr6qg6/unpopular_opinion_the_bow_is_the_worst_weapon_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Pain

Someone help this poor soul

[mint coral]

i love one of the comments that just says "i dont know how bow works, corrected for you" or something like that

[manic bobcat]

Yeah. I really want to type something to help that person on what they are doing wrong. But it takes too much effort...

[last veldt]

I don't think they want help, they want attention.

[manic bobcat]

intensifies

[reef zodiac]

Love when Styx anvil gives me clockets out of nowhere

Not all weapons are created equal

[manic bobcat]

Cluster rocket?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[manic bobcat]

Cluster bomb + rocket bomb

[reef zodiac]

When it takes away a random hammer and gives me both of those

Me neither

But it was a casual fun run so why not

[manic bobcat]

That's how you get Hazard on Eris

On roll with it

[reef zodiac]

I could deal with that

Wouldn’t have liked spread though

[mint coral]

Hazard eris fun

[reef zodiac]

Wouldn’t have liked spread though

Spread with Zeus attack is not great

[mint coral]

Just dash through the explosion

[manic bobcat]

What post should I make on Reddit to stir the most amount of updoots and controversies?

[boreal jetty]

same, got World Splitter and Cursed Slash taking away my Breaching Slash leaving my Dash Nova

[reef zodiac]

Call PStatus bad

[manic bobcat]

Darren Korb music is formulaic, I hope SGG colabs with Imagine Dragons for the next game.

[boreal jetty]

Call high confidence a must?

[reef zodiac]

High Confidence is a must

[rotund wyvern]

first of all, hi! I am brand fresh new to the server and fairly new to hades

[manic bobcat]

I'm writing all of this down

[rotund wyvern]

I have 23 hours in it so far

[manic bobcat]

Hi brand fresh new to the server

They might have beaten the final boss already

Maybe

[boreal jetty]

it's basically this channel, but with no spoilers

[rotund wyvern]

I don't know how far I'm into things

[boreal jetty]

have you beaten the final boss once?

[rotund wyvern]

I've been to the surface three times. I had drinks with Dusa. My spear evolved into Guan Yu's spear, I got my ass KICKED by Charon in his boss fight he apparently has, I found out how much I love the rail, I got Orpheus to sing good riddance, and I found out the pierced butterfly is my favorite trinket

[reef zodiac]

Welcome! If you want to avoid spoilers, I’d suggest staying in #h1-for-new-players . But you’re welcome anywhere, just most channels have a lot of spoilers.

[manic bobcat]

Yeah you are fine here tbh

[boreal jetty]

ok they did beat the final boss

[rotund wyvern]

a few times

I can consistently get to the final level, but I usually die to Hades if I don't pass

[manic bobcat]

Did you kill Cerberus to get the true ending?

[rotund wyvern]

lol

[manic bobcat]

You need to poison the sack with satyr poison

To do that

Just FYI

[rotund wyvern]

You're gonna need to indicate your sarcasm I am autistic and also stupid

[boreal jetty]

they might have not fought Dusa in the Icy canyon yet, they need to reach that fight first (not necessary to beat it)

[rotund wyvern]

I also went into the game completely blind

I have no idea what is or isn't optimal

My first escape was with the rail

just

bombed him into pieces

[manic bobcat]

There are plenty of builds

If you like a weapon

[boreal jetty]

good, it means you probably had fun :D

[manic bobcat]

You can probably ask for a build

[rotund wyvern]

My trinket of choice is the pierced butterfly

it encourages healthy play patterns

[manic bobcat]

Good start tbh

[rotund wyvern]

Something I think hades does wonderfully is buffer against burnout

being able to start conversations and spend resources between runs really breaks up repetition

I've also found that in my runs, Hermes has by far been the most sought after boons to grab

upgrading your dash is a must for upping survivability and a lot of his boons are deceptively powerful and making your weapons just melt through people

[manic bobcat]

You are guaranteed Hermes boons every run

So that's not a coincidence

[rotund wyvern]

You should also take more

[manic bobcat]

Hermes works different from other Gods

[rotund wyvern]

as many as you can hold

except auto dodge

auto dodge is a trap

[signal aspen]

you can only have 3 hermes boons per run

2 are guaranteed

[rotund wyvern]

no wonder they're so

good

[signal aspen]

and you have a 50% chance to get a 3rd one in the styx shop

[rotund wyvern]

guess I never noticed

[reef zodiac]

Literally the 4th best Hermes boon

[reef zodiac]

Literally the 4th best Hermes boon

Very good boon

[rotund wyvern]

disagree

[reef zodiac]

??

[signal aspen]

yeah dodge chance gud

[boreal jetty]

?

[mint coral]

Dodge is blessed

[reef zodiac]

It’s not better than extra dashes or hyper sprint or RD, but it’s just below those

[gray apex]

What boon

[reef zodiac]

Greater Evasion

[rotund wyvern]

let me rephrase

[boreal jetty]

its good afaik

[rotund wyvern]

It's not my favorite for what I prioritize

[boreal jetty]

10% effective damage reduction at common

[reef zodiac]

You’d rather have swift strike? Side hustle?

[gray apex]

[boreal jetty]

side hustle carryed me lots

[reef zodiac]

Side hustle sucks tbh

[mint coral]

Or casts boons when you barely are using it

[rotund wyvern]

I like side hustle

[signal aspen]

side hustle is pretty meh

[boreal jetty]

eh I guess I just nedd a steady income to compensate for my bad finacial choices just like irl

[reef zodiac]

[rotund wyvern]

especially for like

hoarding builds with the uuuh

hammer upgrade that gives you a gold percentage attack bonus

[gray apex]

That hammer is garbage

Lol

[reef zodiac]

Hoarding slash builds aka bad damage + less boons

[signal aspen]

[rotund wyvern]

I think this is why I went in blind

I like having wrong opinions

He does 50 damage a hit

[boreal jetty]

might be because I use touch of midas or whatever the 15% gold increase oer biome is called

[mint coral]

Would hoarding slash be slighty better if its bonus was added with all other dmg calculations?

[gray apex]

Golden Touch?

[boreal jetty]

that

[rotund wyvern]

this is stressing me out

[boreal jetty]

?

[reef zodiac]

You mean if it was base damage?

[gray apex]

Yea you need to rethink your financial choices

[rotund wyvern]

As in I feel

absolutely overwhelmed

[reef zodiac]

Golden Touch is good only for farming blood from Styx shop. It sucks

[rotund wyvern]

like to just hear a whole lot of "your opinions are wrong" all at once is kind of a bummer

[reef zodiac]

[manic bobcat]

People like to optimize the game. If it isn't your thing then you probably should ignore it.

[reef zodiac]

^^^

[gray apex]

Yea

You'll find a lot of tryhards over here

Not me ofc

[reef zodiac]

I’m only saying what’s good, not telling anyone how to play. If you don’t care about what’s good and only care about what you like, then ignore me

[boreal jetty]

I hoard so much gold at the start usually getting over 250 gold gained trouggt the run

[reef zodiac]

No shame is just playing casually and ignoring meta

[manic bobcat]

Not me either, i don't try hard. Not me

[reef zodiac]

But what if instead you bought boons and poms

[rotund wyvern]

I've had 3 successful runs in my first 3 days of owning the game. I must be doing something right

[gray apex]

Yes

That's better than the majority of people when they first start out

[rotund wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-reply-discord-reply-off-discord-reply-gif-22150762

Then again I did put in 20 something hours in those 3 days

[boreal jetty]

I keep getting the boons I don't want and usually get good pom luck from || Persephone || in Elysium

[mint coral]

Pom keepsake?

[rotund wyvern]

I also have some prior experience with rogue-likes

though hades breaks the mold a bit

[manic bobcat]

The two are not mutually exclusive. You played well, dodging and finding angles to attack.
But that also doesn't mean your gameplay can't be optimized. Some of the boons that are borderline OP in lower heat can be detrimental in higher heat.

[rotund wyvern]

I'm asking you to turn it off

most rogue-likes fall into "you break game" or "game breaks you"

I'm used to "you break game" rogue likes. Binding of Isaac, Risk of Rain 2

[boreal jetty]

ah yes, Into the Breach and FTL for me

[rotund wyvern]

I also have a bit of experience with Dead Cells

which is much more in the "game breaks you" category

as the way it's built you're cycling through loot regularly

Also there are just

a lot of neat moments and details that make me love Hades

Zag has made 3 jokes about not having a healing item so far

[reef zodiac]

Hades is the only roguelike that hasn’t bored me to death

Isaac and Gungeon got so repetitive and boring so quickly

[manic bobcat]

intensifies

[rotund wyvern]

I'm pretty sure my favorite characters are everyone's favorite characters tho

[mint coral]

?

[rotund wyvern]

Artemis, Dusa, Chaos, and Megara

[mint coral]

We all love bouldy

[signal aspen]

where

[manic bobcat]

Boulder overated

[rotund wyvern]

I've gotten that one before

[boreal jetty]

boulder yes

bouldy not

[manic bobcat]

Bouldy overrated

[rotund wyvern]

I refuse to interact with the boulder joke

[manic bobcat]

You just did

[mint coral]

Bouldy based, able to give you 10% cast dmg just for a nectar

[boreal jetty]

say hi to Hypnos for me

[manic bobcat]

2% amphibious

[rotund wyvern]

hold on let me just

tier list my opinions

[mint coral]

Still carries

[manic bobcat]

Fun fact I voiced Bouldy in game

So I can tell you

That he is overrated af

[boreal jetty]

nice, I voiced a fish

[mint coral]

Omg love your voice acting as it was so emotional

[thick cypress]

[signal aspen]

you say that like its a bad thing

[manic bobcat]

It's a frog thing

Also you know how the narrator says that Zag trips on a banana peel and die?

[boreal jetty]

yea it definetly rocks

[manic bobcat]

Except banana doesn't exists in ancient Greek.

[reef zodiac]

[mint coral]

Best post credits deaths is still the bear one for me

[manic bobcat]

Game is unplayable

[lone kernel]

Neither do rocket launchers and machine guns

[manic bobcat]

True

[boreal jetty]

u sure

?

[rotund wyvern]

where do I put my bad opinion character tier list

[manic bobcat]

On Reddit

You get updoots

[reef zodiac]

[manic bobcat]

And attention

[rotund wyvern]

I don't touch reddit

[manic bobcat]

Too bad

[boreal jetty]

I like the one where you run into Callisto or a lookalike of em

[rotund wyvern]

can you not with this kind of reply?

[reef zodiac]

?

[boreal jetty]

?

[manic bobcat]

?

[rotund wyvern]

The tone feels weird here

[signal aspen]

Bruh it's a joke

[manic bobcat]

You can't seem to take a joke friend

[boreal jetty]

its text, tone is assumed by the recipent

[rotund wyvern]

*or joking

[manic bobcat]

Yeah but "too bad" has like one way of reading it

[lone kernel]

This guy’s memeing on Bouldy, he means you no harm

[reef zodiac]

[mint coral]

Was looking on reddit for the bear death message and ended finding the origin of the "idk man as someone" copypasta lmao

[rotund wyvern]

I find it frustrating that I make where I'm coming from clear and it is not respected

[manic bobcat]

[reef zodiac]

Not everyone reads every single message in a server before messaging

[lone kernel]

Bummer. Your other options are to make a tier list and do the rigamarole to post it here and spark some lively debate

[rotund wyvern]

I made it, I just don't know where to put it

[lone kernel]

Imgur or another server, then here

[signal aspen]

Here is fine

[manic bobcat]

Can I say that I like to make jokes?

[signal aspen]

No

[lone kernel]

is Bouldy a joke to you

[manic bobcat]

I feel not respected

[signal aspen]

Good

[lone kernel]

[rotund wyvern]

what channel

[manic bobcat]

Damn

Sad

[rotund wyvern]

I don't have image rights in this channel

[reef zodiac]

Nobody does

[lone kernel]

This one, you need to post it in another discord then paste the link here

[manic bobcat]

I do

[rotund wyvern]

ah

[boreal jetty]

wait how

[lone kernel]

He’s memeing

[reef zodiac]

He likes to make jokes

[lone kernel]

[rotund wyvern]

https://imgur.com/a/NSNu7En

[lone kernel]

[manic bobcat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829398361269862470/912133461790314526/RDT_20211121_1228172830606490436135960.jpg

[reef zodiac]

Time for some classic trippy flare Beo gaming

[manic bobcat]

People who don't have img rights vs me

[mint coral]

Whats wrong with orpheus :c

[boreal jetty]

poor Orpheus

oh well

[signal aspen]

Hypnos has great advice why so low

[boreal jetty]

kek

[lone kernel]

Skelly is the best character in the game

[reef zodiac]

Hypnos is great

[lone kernel]

Alecto is fun

[rotund wyvern]

If you want a good example of sad boy go with mister "replenishes all your death defiance"

[manic bobcat]

Ranking of Hades chars:
5. You
4. Can't
3. Rank
2. Characters

1. Artemis

[lone kernel]

I don’t really like than tbh

[boreal jetty]

I disagree with one opinion stated in the last 6 messages, won't say which

[lone kernel]

Edge lord just doesn’t do it for me

Lemme romance Bouldy or Alecto

[rotund wyvern]

I think Hypnos has a lot less substance than a lot of the other characters

[manic bobcat]

Alecto?

[boreal jetty]

you forgot Schelemeus

[mint coral]

My like for orpheus comes from how satysfing is hearing him and eury sing tbh

[lone kernel]

yeah, did you miss my concept for hades 2 yesterday

TLDR: gotta get to Olympus to tell dad to come back home he’s up there chilling and is genuinely happy but the underworld is all janky now and Alecto runs Tartarus and it’s totally nanners

[boreal jetty]

Orphy's solo os good too

[mint coral]

Lament of orpheus is great

[rotund wyvern]

I feel the rest of my ranks are pretty self explanatory

I also feel like Hades does a better job of being a bastard than Theseus

[signal aspen]

What's wrong with skelly

[lone kernel]

broseidon, god of the brocean should be higher

[signal aspen]

He should be s tier

[rotund wyvern]

he's a non character

[lone kernel]

Theseus is just a dude who talks trash now lol

[boreal jetty]

never I thought I'd be so glad for someone to be unable to save their wife from the underworld

[lone kernel]

Crocodiles for skelly

[rotund wyvern]

I'm not making meme picks

[reef zodiac]

Doing 540+ damage with a single cast in chamber 6

[mint coral]

trippy flare moment

[signal aspen]

Trippy flare moment

[manic bobcat]

Wtf

[reef zodiac]

I love trippy flare

[boreal jetty]

comic relief charachter is still a character

[lone kernel]

[reef zodiac]

Trippy flare is the best meme build

1.2 pom scaling go brrr

[lone kernel]

It’s not even really that memey

It’s just good lol

[reef zodiac]

I know

But it’s technically not optimal

Which for me counts as a meme build

[lone kernel]

Yeah, but there’s a lot between trippy flare beo and zag fists common Artemis attack

[manic bobcat]

I think Zeus Eris Poseidon Dash with Seastorm is a fun off meta meme build that is extremely underrated.

[reef zodiac]

Yes. One is really fun and the other is sad and awful

[lone kernel]

Curse of drowning talos fists using the force

that’s a meme

[signal aspen]

One is good and the other is beowulf

[mint coral]

CoD Beo is a meme

[reef zodiac]

Oh eww

No

[manic bobcat]

You kids are meta sheeple running things like Curse of Drowning Zag Sword

[lone kernel]

This guy gets it

[manic bobcat]

Smh my head

[lone kernel]

Chad Aphrodite aid

Chad meme beam

[manic bobcat]

Fun fact CoD Beo is the most underplayed build.

Factual.

[lone kernel]

Can it pop on beo

Didn’t think it was offered

also imagine taking ares

[manic bobcat]

Exactly

[mint coral]

yeah its possible to get lol

[lone kernel]

now that’s a meme

[mint coral]

and it blocks mirage shot as a bonus

[reef zodiac]

Yes and it’s terrible

Abysmal even

[mint coral]

serious question, should i run Abyssal blood or boiling blood on Beo

[manic bobcat]

Tbh i haven't played Hades in months

[lone kernel]

ares got his ass whooped too hard by kratos and is kinda underwhelming

[lone kernel]

yes

[manic bobcat]

Boiling?

[signal aspen]

Abyssal

[reef zodiac]

Lmao

[lone kernel]

🐊 for boiling for abyssal everyone vote

[reef zodiac]

Personal preference. I think purple looks better than green so I do boiling

[mint coral]

oh thats a fun reason

[manic bobcat]

Make an all green run

With Artemis boons, GY and flipped mirror

[reef zodiac]

All green run is way better than all purple run

Even though most people play with more purple than green

All purple run might as well be RI1 LMAO

[signal aspen]

But with purple mirror you will get a lot more blue boons

[reef zodiac]

You get a lot less boons

[mint coral]

fated keys value

[reef zodiac]

LMAO

[mint coral]

reroll your few hearts/pom etc for actual boons

[brisk trail]

des français ici ?

[narrow bronze]

Question best weapon/aspect and companion for 32 heat run?

[full nexus]

Any weapon, or rather the one you're the most comfortable with. Battie is the most popular companion

[reef zodiac]

Weapon matters less than pact tbh

[high island]

I don't really agree. 32 Heat is a lot easier with some aspects regardless of your personal preferences.

[reef zodiac]

Well, yes. I mean play what you’re used to

If you’re used to fists though, I guess it might be worth trying something else

But still

[high island]

Like you can be a huge Stygius fan, but using Eris or Hestia, for example, would be way easier.

[reef zodiac]

Sure

But pact matters even more

[high island]

They both matter.

[reef zodiac]

The difference between a good 32 pact and a bad one is massive.

[lone kernel]

take em4 ez

[reef zodiac]

Fair

[lone kernel]

If you’re good at the game, use nyaanyaa’s guide for pact and general game plan

[reef zodiac]

Also it’s generally easier to convince a newer player to use an easier combination of heat than it is to convince them to learn a new weapon

[lone kernel]

You need to be comfortable with two of these: td3, fo2, lc4

(or em4, but not recommended)

[high island]

There's no FO2 in my guide.

[reef zodiac]

FO0 HL5, right?

[high island]

Right.

[lone kernel]

I’m expanding on it to give a bit of wiggle room - fo1 was on a lot of my 32s

And maybe they have been running fo2 this whole time

No idea

[high island]

You're making my guide worse.

[lone kernel]

Possibly not comfortable with td3 or lc4, I had to run those separately to get used to them before pushing heat

[lone kernel]

Yours is better, also assumes comfort w lc4 and TD3 (though I’d say the path of least resistance if those are scary is to get used to those at 20 first)

and using Eris means damage control is 2 free heat

[reef zodiac]

Well

No

Definitely not free

But probably worth it at 32+

Far from free though

TD3 though? That’s free heat

[lone kernel]

#h1-victory-boasting message

my first win at 32 was a jankfest pact with a great build

[high island]

LC4 doesn't require any particular practice. SD + Weak and Deflect carries through the first two bosses, and after that you'll have Acorn and hopefully Touch of Styx Dark.

[lone kernel]

I wasn’t comfortable w lc4 or td3

[reef zodiac]

EM4 at 32 is still harder than just forcing LC4 or TD3 even if you’re not used to them

[lone kernel]

Who cares, I won

That’s the point

Wiggle room to adapt

You’re basically at the end of easybpacts so learn two scary ones and go

I’ve gotten way more consistent at 32 since learning td3 and lc4

But yeah, not em4 usually a bad idea

The idea of having no healing was scarier my first try

skelly statue emoji

[high island]

You don't need to feel comfortable with TD3, you just need to be able to do it. Plenty of players who feel intimated by TD3 even though it's virtually free Heat with the clear times they get.

There's nothing really to learn for LC4 anyway except that you can get DDs from Lady Athena and that you want Touch of Styx.

I guess you can include walk on magma to heal if necessary.

But it's, like, not very difficult to grasp. Only getting DDs is something you gotta learn from somewhere, everything else is pretty obvious.

[chrome wharf]

got my first Beo speedrun death

forgot to switch to DDs

[reef zodiac]

anyheat wr uses sd

[raw herald]

SD means it’s quicker to die unmodded

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I know

Definitely doesn’t mean it’s actually optimal

I just think it’s funny

[chrome wharf]

well I did die more quickly...unintentionally

[high island]

SD means you carry fewer Defiances.

Which makes you lighter.

Which makes you faster.

[chrome wharf]

[raw herald]

Quicker to die for resets I mean

If you’ve beaten 60 heat there’s not much chance of dying to HL0 dad

#771815559410876446 message

Where the idea started

[mint ember]

damn

charon fight not easy

maybe thats bc my setup was pretty weak but

Idk alecto has no health

You can burst her pretty quickly with decent dps

Or meg summon

[devout terrace]

you know you cant use that on furies lol

the difficulty of charon is very dependant on where you fight him

in tartarus hes really difficult because you dont have a build or health

its pretty free in elysium though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/919754939876659221.gif?size=96

[reef zodiac]

Wow, what skill you possess. Able to “just not get hit”. 64 heat unseeded when??? 👀

Just don’t get hit

Literally easy.

I beat EM4 with Gilgamesh dash only. Unironically, just don’t get hit.

[weary kiln]

do charon fights change depending on where you borrow his obels?

[reef zodiac]

No

Man Ares has so many terrible boons

[mint ember]

I considered that possibility but ignored it

Ah

I fought charon in elysium

Man

Favorite hammer in the game rn is cursed slash

Very interesting way to play although sadly dash strike dont cout

[reef zodiac]

Getting 1-shot is a way to play?

I personally like not getting 1-shot

But that’s just me ig

~~No, taking cursed slash would result in my loss ~~

What’s more boring? Having health and dodging attacks, or face tanking and spamming attack and hoping it heals you faster than you get hit because you have no hp?

Ofc you don’t have to play cursed slash that way

But I know a lot of people do

[weary kiln]

what im seeing is that this server has a lot of assumptions about how people play

and if you dont do the same youre sol.

[reef zodiac]

What?

Play however you want

[weary kiln]

maybe saying this server is too generalizing. just one person then.

[last veldt]

I do think people here sometimes assume that when someone asks a question what they want is the perfect answer (e.g. the set of steps that get a perfect build setup). I found it a little off putting when I first arrived. As a newbie I wasn't interested in memorising which boons were the absolute best, I was more interested in general tips and finding my own style.

[reef zodiac]

That’s fair. I only really know how to say what’s optimal tbh. But I try my best not to sound like I’m telling people how to play.

[last veldt]

But it's hard because after you've played a while you realize that some questions just do have one or two good answers

[reef zodiac]

^^ exactly

[last veldt]

And some play styles will just lead to frustration

But maybe it's fine if people learn these things via experience

It's also partly that people asking often have an expectation of the answer to their question and when the answer is "do something else entirely" it can feel like it's criticism

[weary kiln]

it's honestly v off putting. i prefer fun over optimal, generally

[reef zodiac]

Then you don’t need answers from anyone here, do you?

[weary kiln]

curse of drowning on beowulf was fun, for example

[reef zodiac]

Just play however you want and ignore the people who talk about what’s good

So what if it’s bad? That’s not the point for you

[weary kiln]

was it optimal? no. but it's really fun to see how it interacts

[last veldt]

I think there are some broad questions which are valid for beginners

[mint coral]

Ok, since i legit never tried it
Does it just works like in non cast loading aspects?

[prisma wind]

Alternatively, if people ask a question you can give a kind, respectful answer or not reply at all if that's not possible for you

[last veldt]

And we should try and give answers that help people explore these combinations

Even if we know there's a perfect high heat optimal answer

[weary kiln]

kinda! but zag will pulse out rings for a few seconds after

[reef zodiac]

When I say something is bad, it doesn’t mean I think people shouldn’t be allowed to use it. It just means I think it’s not very strong in comparison to the other options. If you don’t care about that, then ignore me saying that because it doesn’t matter.

[weary kiln]

which, as a fan of poseidon dash, it's hilarious

[mint coral]

Doesnt CoD always work like that tho?

[reef zodiac]

Yes, it’s very awkward on Beo. You don’t get a cast AOE, you just get that.

[mint coral]

Probably should try it on Achilles spear

[reef zodiac]

I just did a curse of drowning Talos build actually

[last veldt]

I think the idea that answers here aren't respectful is not true, but perhaps sometimes they might feel that way because they don't align with what the person expected. And we should be more aware of that risk when we're rebooted to give overly prescriptive answers

[reef zodiac]

CoD is an interesting boon

I just wish it was faster and did more damage

It’s pretty unsafe to load a cast with it

[mint coral]

I wanna understand why it blocks mirage tbh

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that would be really awkward

[last veldt]

I find CoD messes up my timing something rotten. But it does work on Talos

[reef zodiac]

Well, not too well tbh

Achilles would have been better

But it was something I hadn’t done before

[weary kiln]

i dont like shields so finding builds that lead to me liking shields is a big deal to me

[lone kernel]

based

[last veldt]

Good for crowds, not great on bosses

[lone kernel]

shields are gud

[reef zodiac]

Do you want me to suggest some shield builds that I think are really fun?

[last veldt]

I didn't clear with a shield until I got Beo

[reef zodiac]

My #1 favorite build in the game is Trippy Flare Beo

[lone kernel]

zeus2 with scintillating feast

[reef zodiac]

Lvl 1 trippy flare is 100 damage
Lvl 2 is 220

[lone kernel]

[reef zodiac]

Love that bugged pom scaling

It’s beautiful

[last veldt]

Beo is buggy af

[reef zodiac]

It really is

[mint coral]

The fact that is not even the flare specific but beo only is so funny

[reef zodiac]

Lmao yeah

[last veldt]

You can't get scintillating feast on flair. I checked that today.

[reef zodiac]

What

Yes you can

I’ve gotten it

[mint coral]

Huh isnt listed in codex

[last veldt]

Oh, lando was referring to Zeus aspect

[spice hearth]

wait what

[last veldt]

I explicitly checked on latest version. Maybe codex is wrong

[reef zodiac]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[spice hearth]

you can't get trippy flare on the zeus aspect

and you 100% can get scintillating feast on trippy flare

i just did it yesterday

[last veldt]

Codex only lists trippy shot as prereq for scintillating

[reef zodiac]

That’s strange

[last veldt]

I can get a screen shot (PS4)

Now I'm worried I'm misremembering

[spice hearth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924849977547702316/925916699469967361/unknown.png

he's right

[reef zodiac]

I believe it

Yeah

[spice hearth]

but that is definitely wrong

[reef zodiac]

Indeed

[last veldt]

Ta, sanity restored

Well i know what my next run will be

[spice hearth]

but for sure, at least during the run, Trippy Flare is considered trippy shot as a req for Scintillating

[reef zodiac]

Trippy Flare Beo gang

[weary kiln]

oh yeah, beowulf give different names for cast boons

[last veldt]

And yet in other places in the codex flairs and shots are called out separately

[reef zodiac]

Yep

[weary kiln]

odd

[last veldt]

I just assumed scintillating on Beo was too op and they limited it to Shot

[reef zodiac]

Lol

Ice Wine is terrible for Beo though

Very bad

[last veldt]

Yes

Very slow

[reef zodiac]

Slows your cast down for like no reason

[last veldt]

But great on trippy shot

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[last veldt]

Scintillating ice wine trippy shot is pretty bonkers but I'd rather have double strike or splitting tbh

Focus on the Zeus

[reef zodiac]

And Jolted

[last veldt]

Always jolted

[mint coral]

Flares being others casts is the whole key to mirage being broken lol

[reef zodiac]

Love jolted

[last veldt]

Yeah, there's clearly some code which doesn't distinguish flair and cast when it should

[weary kiln]

broken in a good or bad way?

[last veldt]

Just flat out double damage

[weary kiln]

oh dang

[last veldt]

The 2nd shot in mirage should be 30%

[weary kiln]

okay i need to try that soon

[last veldt]

But on Beo is just another full strength flair

Or something like that

[reef zodiac]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[weary kiln]

interesting quirk

[reef zodiac]

I’ve been trying to expand my bugs doc

It has a lot of interesting stuff though, I think

[last veldt]

Good doc

[spice hearth]

oh hey you actually made it

[reef zodiac]

A lot of stuff I didn’t know until I started making it

[last veldt]

Well explained

[reef zodiac]

Thanks!

Let me know if you know of any bugs I missed

[last veldt]

Will do. Right time for sleep. G'night.

Maybe add the codex thing

[reef zodiac]

Eh, it’s not really notable

[last veldt]

Not a bug during play but still annoying

It stopped me from trying out scintillating flair

[weary kiln]

lmao

[mint coral]

Testing CoD with achilles is more fun that i expected

[mint ember]

Idk how you take any damage with cursed slash

Just full send and you can outheal most dmg

[runic parrot]

swords too slow for me unless im also running flurry slash tbh

cursed and high confidence is pretty fun though

[lone kernel]

Just went for ME zag bow

Kinda scuffed ngl

[crude surge]

[mint ember]

God gauge stacks faster with taking dmg than dealing dmg right?

So cursed slash even better for that if so

[rapid forum]

well yes but I'd go for clouded judgement if I had zeus in the pool

or boiling point from poseidon

[rapid forum]

ME chiron is funner

[crude surge]

[lone kernel]

Chad zag bow

[mint ember]

First sub 20 pog

Its worthlmentioning im not on a max save

[manic bobcat]

Nice

[mint ember]

i call it

speedwalking

[gray apex]

What did pancake do this time

[outer lava]

Just tried Extreme Measures 4 for the first time

I am in pain

[gray apex]

EM4 fun

[outer lava]

EM4 so much pain oh my god

[gray apex]

It's a tough fight

[outer lava]

It truly is. I was not prepared.

[devout terrace]

*unbalanced fight

[rapid forum]

is it supposed to be balanced?

[outer lava]

Unrelated, I've been wondering

Does Blood Frenzy stack?

[gray apex]

No

[opaque narwhal]

https://youtu.be/dnq8dZYH_tg picked up Hades recently and totally love the soundtrack. Especially Good Riddance! Darren Korb even put the tutorial up on YouTube what a legend!!

[lavish hatch]

https://imgur.com/a/tvIVnfD

where is achilles?

cant find him.... i just found another titan blood and zag said he will know what to do with it

[chrome wharf]

Go into the house, reach dad's desk, turn left, his spot is between 2 pedestals. If he's not there, he off chilling somewhere else and might come back adfer a run

You can't use blood until you unlocked all the weapons tho

[hasty onyx]

oh jesus christ my message got deleted

whatever

[devout terrace]

Shadow ping

[last veldt]

After yesterday's discussion on scintillating trippy flair I tried it out. Ridiculous!!!

[lone kernel]

Super based

[last veldt]

Level 8 flair with scintillating feast. Bonkers good.

Butterfly

[gray apex]

Duster

[last veldt]

At least you can take the Duster off and retain the health you got from it

Take off butterfly or plume and you lose the bonus

[gray apex]

What health

I have LC4

[last veldt]

Also Orpheus's one

Yes, that

It does show

You mean distant foes?

On bow there's a marker on the charge indicator

Both I thought

[chrome wharf]

distant memery

see

[last veldt]

I mean it's bviously bad, but butterfly tricks people into thinking they can swap it out later.

I'm just bitter about it

It's it though? After Asphodel you're probably not adding anything to the damage

Yeah, but strong drink will do most of that.

And give you the freedom to make a build that's not pure RNG

I just don't see sacrificing build choice being worth it.

[lone kernel]

Strong Drink is "alright, fine, i guess ill take this" if it's tartarus and u dont wanna mess with dionysus in your build lol

then lc4 comes along and strong drink is like

pointless

unless u play the long game

and get...billowing for dad

[chrome wharf]

UC fodder

[lone kernel]

I wish premium vintage could be sold lol

Would be heart pom and money for one boon lol

[chrome wharf]

Don't we all
Then we can sell Nourished Gyros

There was one time I took epic stronk dronk in Tart hoping to sell but UC never hit it and I got a nice 20% buff at daddy

[lone kernel]

More useful than drunk dash

[charred hemlock]

HI Im back

[crude surge]

Hi back I'm potato

[charred hemlock]

Yeah i heard of that bot raid this server had which was after i saw it was on the highest security lock

And i dont use a cellphone

so i found someone who shares another server with me and contacted them

[valid cipher]

Cast gets backstab buffs
That sounds like a good source of cheese strats.

[peak orbit]

Hey question.

Is Double Wave bad?

Oh sorry Second Wave

[gray apex]

It's fun

[lone kernel]

it's got niche uses, and if running splash dash itll make styx a total meme, but it's no Splitting Bolt

[gray apex]

But usually reduces your dps a bit because you're knocking things too often

So you dont get to hit them as much

[lone kernel]

it's great for when you are running customs and need something to purge

and you get a cool four hundo

also gets you a steam achievement

[charred hemlock]

but second wave and sea storm with curse of drowning oh my

[lone kernel]

then you need to go twice as far to hit the enemy again

but

if you have sea storm and curse of drowning too

sure, take it

that's a hilarious way to win

and i live for that kind of stuff

but don't think of it like how zeus legendary turns you from episode 6 palpatine to episode 9 palpatine

does that make sense

[peak orbit]

I guess?

I basically made a tier list aka Splitting Bolt is the best one

The only thing I don’t get is Dio Legendary

Since I never really used it

Is it good?

[lone kernel]

it can be

but you need a weapon that can use hangover and something cast friendly

[versed mason]

60% damage is nice but also idk

[peak orbit]

Uh

Idk uh

[versed mason]

since you need them to stay in the fog

[lone kernel]

Talos fists are a good choice

[peak orbit]

Achilles Spear?

[versed mason]

we're talking about black out right?

[peak orbit]

Rail?

[lone kernel]

achilles spear is always good lol

[peak orbit]

Yeah

[lone kernel]

lay it on us, cult of dionysus

[peak orbit]

Oh that means you can’t use Splash Dash then

[lone kernel]

talos fists

[versed mason]

ive gotten it once lol

[lone kernel]

i found it useful with dionysus' aid

with a festive fog start

[versed mason]

if u have p status, it's p easy to get really fast damage

[lone kernel]

i never run p status lol

[versed mason]

aphro on whichever attack is slower

[peak orbit]

Oh what about Chiron Bow?

[lone kernel]

never remember to change it

chiron bow works as a hangover weapon

[versed mason]

p status is cool cause you see it happen, and the other one literally just works

[lone kernel]

but you dont necessarily ~need~ blackout

[peak orbit]

I get you but if you want to try blackout does Chiron Bow work?

[lone kernel]

yeah, i prefer fam fav becaue fewer brain cells needed

[versed mason]

tru

[peak orbit]

Also I kinda have mad respect for the Bow because I didn’t realize that I actually like all 4 aspects of the weapon

[versed mason]

ahpro attack, dio special/call + dio cast and then pray

and get yarns

[peak orbit]

Why yarn

[versed mason]

upgrade rarity

it's a well item

[peak orbit]

I’m not interested in yarns Okay I’m not a cat

[versed mason]

it upgrades the rarity of your next boon, just gotta hope it's a dio boon

[peak orbit]

But it doesn’t increase the chances of duo or legendaries?

[versed mason]

that and the thing from eurydice

i thought it did

[peak orbit]

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t

[versed mason]

that's crazy

always felt it did

maybe im lucky

it's a skill after all

[twin thistle]

it does increase leg/duo chance

same as nectar, keepsakes, and chaos

[peak orbit]

Wait really

[twin thistle]

yeah

[gray apex]

Yes

Should be 10%

[peak orbit]

Wait how does Nectar increase odds

[versed mason]

huge

[twin thistle]

refreshing nectar from eurydice

[peak orbit]

Oh THAT nectar okay nevermind

I thought you mean nectar as in the nectar you give to your friends

[gray apex]

[peak orbit]

Bouldy is your friend though

So he counts

Okay how much does Refreshing Nectar increase odds of L and D boons

How much does Chaos do if say the number written is 20%?

[full nexus]

10%

both

[peak orbit]

How much from skull rooms?

[twin thistle]

10% from any yeah

skull rooms have a lower chance

10% base instead of 12%

[full nexus]

^

[twin thistle]

they give guaranteed rare and higher epic chance or something tho

[full nexus]

^

[peak orbit]

Skull rooms have a lower chance compared to what regular rooms or less chance

[twin thistle]

reg rooms is base 12%

[full nexus]

We're talking about minibosses rather than "skulls" though

[peak orbit]

Wait whaaa

[full nexus]

Skulls can also be elite rooms > armored foes

[peak orbit]

Yeah I just say skull because not all rooms like that are mini bosses

[gray apex]

Skull rooms (harder encounters) have to be meta rewards

The skull rooms being referred to here are minibosses

[versed mason]

im confused

meta rewards?

[peak orbit]

Yeah same

[full nexus]

blue laurels

keys darkness gems

[peak orbit]

Oh so permanent currency

[versed mason]

why is that called meta lol

[gray apex]

Yes

[full nexus]

because it's meta progression

[versed mason]

oh

[peak orbit]

Okay then

[versed mason]

i guess that's right yeah sure

I'll still call them blue rewards

[full nexus]

nerd dialect

sure

[peak orbit]

So does the mini boss room chance also apply to the more expensive boon you buy from Charon in Styx?

[versed mason]

it's just the first time I've seen them called that lol

[full nexus]

Don't know if it's the exact same but you get a rarity bonus yeah

[peak orbit]

So say you get a regular boon, you have yarn on you and you have God’s Pride

That means you have about a 32% chance of getting a Duo or Legendary. Of course after meeting the prerequisites

[gray apex]

If it's me I know I'm guaranteed 3 common boons

[full nexus]

lmao

[peak orbit]

That sounds like pain

Also is Chiron actually bad for speedrunning?

[gray apex]

It's not particularly fast

[versed mason]

it's alright, slower than other aspects for sure

[full nexus]

It's not the fastest

it's not bad at all

[last veldt]

It's comfy

[peak orbit]

I know Duunko talked this one down a lot and he helped a lot of my thoughts on aspects

Only after I saw the power and versatility that I actually gave it a shot

Again it’s not fair since he’s talking from a speedrunning perspective

[versed mason]

im also a fan of hera, it's comfy cause it's like beo

if we're talking bow aspects

[peak orbit]

I like all four

[high island]

Hera is amazing for speedruns. Chiron is not.

[full nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwmYoER5254

Chiron is faster than Hera

[peak orbit]

Is Hera really the best bow for speed

[full nexus]

that's all

[gray apex]

No

[high island]

But Chiron is very good for getting clears at Heats that most people play at.

[gray apex]

Rama is faster than both

[peak orbit]

Or is Rama potentially faster?

[full nexus]

Rama is the current any heat wr

[high island]

Yes.

[versed mason]

rama is a lot more thinking

hera is big number go boom

crush shot gaming

[peak orbit]

Crush shot slow with Burst fire and-

[full nexus]

idk Hera is quite hard to optimize

would not say it's easy

[peak orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

Okay so

I know that Flurry Shot is the best for Hera

[versed mason]

dunno if i prefer hera or beo but both are a blast

[peak orbit]

But I’m hearing something about Triple Shot

[full nexus]

damn there's a 5:44 Hera now

[peak orbit]

How does that work

On Hera

[mint coral]

Middle arrow shoots the casts

[gray apex]

Yea was earlier today

I think

[full nexus]

Croven lmao

[peak orbit]

Only today?

[versed mason]

the hera cast only has the middle shot amplified ye

[peak orbit]

I need to see it

[versed mason]

ofc it's croven lol

[mint coral]

Croven tier boons

[full nexus]

damn gremlin

[peak orbit]

Okay but why would Duunko say Triple is good on Hera?

[versed mason]

I think about this a lot

[high island]

Rama is definitely the best bow for high heat speedruns. But you wouldn't wanna race Rama vs Hera at Any Heat. Hera will win like probably 90+% or something.

[full nexus]

That comment is so cute

[high island]

Because you get triple Attack damage.

[peak orbit]

Then I’d be using Zag Bow

[mint coral]

Boiling blood doesnt stack

[gray apex]

[full nexus]

Does not stack indeed

[mint coral]

Nor abyssal blood for that matter

[peak orbit]

Okay so it’s not about the casts going into three shots but the high attack

[versed mason]

they're saying spreading casts around multiple enemies for more total damage?

[peak orbit]

Right?

[versed mason]

yea

[high island]

Right, just simply more Attack damage.

[peak orbit]

Alright then

[high island]

You'll be using 1-2 Casts for most enemies in Hera speedruns.

Not all 3+ that you have.

[mint coral]

Big casts goes boom

[peak orbit]

Alright time to sleep

I’ll go take a look at that speed run WR before I sleep

But why when you can use Aphro

Also why do speed runs have to start with Zag dying?

Yes but Hera bow nullifies that short range weakness

[high island]

Well tbh I'd say the build is a bad idea in the first place because it doesn't benefit at all from Hera's burst. Like there's no inherent synergy, and the damage is very poor compared to stronger options.

Your Crush Shot will go boom at the point of impact of your arrow.

[versed mason]

the cast actives at the enemy, not in front of you

[mint coral]

Hera is blow kiss but as an aspect

[versed mason]

thus crush shot being the usual choice from what ive seen

[peak orbit]

It’s a shotgun blast basically that does crap loads of damage and it starts where your arrow lands

[peak orbit]

Can someone explain to me?

[full nexus]

To make sure your run is unseeded

[peak orbit]

I saw it in the speedrun rules but why is that

[versed mason]

it's a rule on the leaderboards to ensure proper setup probably in some way

[peak orbit]

Unseeded?

[versed mason]

as in random, seeded would be the same rooms every run, allowing you to perfect routes

[full nexus]

Yeah, the first boon you get will always be the same if you "give up" because the seed does not reset that way

[versed mason]

ah

not same rooms

[full nexus]

showing previous death ensures that your run is a brand new seed

[versed mason]

im thinking other games

don't listen to me im drunk 😎 👍

[high island]

Yeah, Crush Shot is just easily the most reliable option for DPS. There's potential to get higher damage with Trippy Flare, but you inevitably start off slower, so you'll have plenty of catching up to do once your build finally comes together in speedruns.

[peak orbit]

Okay so speedruns need you to show that you are starting fresh and not just ‘giving up’ and starting with the same first room

[full nexus]

it's a little bit more complex than that, since routing is really not doable outside of mods and is really obvious

[high island]

As opposed to Crush Shot going at top speed from the start, pretty much.

[full nexus]

Yup!

[peak orbit]

Alright I get it now

[high island]

You don't need mods for routing, just makes it a whole lot easier.

[peak orbit]

Does death from your last successful run count as legal unseeded next run?

[high island]

Routes without mods were a thing in Early Access, but no one does that anymore because there are a lot more convenient ways now.

[peak orbit]

Or do you have to intentionally fail?

[high island]

Yes.

[mint coral]

As long it shows dead you good

[peak orbit]

Okay then

[full nexus]

yeah

[high island]

But most speedruns just have an intentional death because they reset a bad run anyway.

[peak orbit]

That’s fair

I bet most speedruns are done with many attempts most of them bad RNG so they die a lot till they get the right one

[versed mason]

im just amazed the game is complete able below like 8 minutes honestly

[mint coral]

Rama having unmodded wr still feels weird lol

[marble badge]

enjoy it while it lasts

[tacit nimbus]

I was annillated with a special build for adamant rail. My brother explained it's a crappy build. Any other builds to avoid?

[high island]

Err. Bad ones. Avoid bad ones.

Rail Special has a cooldown. You can empty your clip during that time, and you can shoot your Special at the same time you're reloading.

So you get a lot more out of it rotating your options.

Empty mag > reload + Special > repeat.

[tacit nimbus]

Huh. So adamant rail's special is best used in between attacks?

[high island]

Right. You'll have no downtime that way and can just constantly deal damage.

[tacit nimbus]

Ah. So I was using it horribly wrong.

[high island]

Since you'll have to wait for your Special cooldown anyway, might as well empty your clip.

[tacit nimbus]

It can be used while reloading?

[high island]

And since you can't Attack while reloading, might as well use your Special instead.

Yes. You can do whatever you like during Reload except for Attack.

[tacit nimbus]

Huh. So adamant rail is based on using both attacks a lot.

[high island]

You'll probably want to start with a good Attack—which is most commonly Lightning Strike, but Drunken Strike also works very well on Rail—and then pick up Tidal Dash for more damage + any decent % Special that you find (except Tempest Flourish).

Divine Dash for safety is also great, naturally.

[tacit nimbus]

Alright. So boons based on both attacks instead of a more direct build?

[high island]

Yeah.

[tacit nimbus]

Favorite dash is probably the athena's. Not for damage, but for the utility of deflecting.

[high island]

Yeah, but Lightning Strike + Static Discharge (with 1-2 poms on it) and then Tidal Dash with lots of poms on it will do a ton of damage.

[tacit nimbus]

not sure what static discharge is.

[high island]

It's a tier 2 boon from Lord Zeus.

It makes your lightning effects inflict Jolted on enemies.

Jolted enemies will take damage whenever they attack.

It pretty much doubles your damage output from Lightning Strike.

[versed mason]

jolted is rad

[high island]

Excellent pom scaling, too.

[tacit nimbus]

Woah. Jolted seems strong. Especially on fast attackers.

[versed mason]

it expires after the first attack, unless you get a duo boon iirc

[tacit nimbus]

It's pretty funny how the hangover spreading boon is called peer pressure.

[gray apex]

C O L D F U S I O N

[tacit nimbus]

Can soneone explain due boons? As far as I'm aware it's the choose a deity's boon and fight the other's waves for the other.

[twin thistle]

zoos stonks https://imgur.com/a/ZYGg2lp

[versed mason]

duo boons have certain requirements, you can check on wiki or codex

[twin thistle]

thats trial rooms. which cant offer duo boons

[tacit nimbus]

huh.

trail rooms are pretty good if you can survive.

[twin thistle]

duos are boons that require specific boons from two different gods

[versed mason]

duo boon is a tier of boob that "combines" the powers of two gods into one boon

[gray apex]

709 exit pog

[high island]

Yes, but this is where Rail comes in strong because (1) you're constantly reapplying Jolted with your Attack and (2) Rail Attack doesn't stun enemies... which is normally a downside but in this case it means it doesn't prevent enemies from attacking, which means more Jolted procs.

[twin thistle]

then theyll be added into your potential boon pool once you get the prereqs

[tacit nimbus]

so duo boons are really rare?

[versed mason]

most prereqs are attack/specifical + opposite attack/special/aid, but make sure to check cause some have different requirements

duo boons are rarer

but not super rare

esp later in the game

[tacit nimbus]

alright

late game implies having more boons, yeah.

[twin thistle]

well a lot rarer tham regular boons but not difficult to get if you know what youre doing and have a somewhat maxed mirror

[versed mason]

late game as in mirror upgrades but that too ig

[high island]

You'll unlock ways to get them a lot more consistently, but yeah. They're quite rare especially when you don't have a deep understanding of the mechanics yet and probably lack experience manipulating the RNG in your favor.