Chain lightning does not have AOE
#h1-discussion
reef zodiac
high island
Y'all should get some roles in #bot-commands. So many white names. 
minor fractal
I wasn't originally gonna get hades not the biggest fan of many roguelikes, got bored of nean abyss and dead cells so when i saw hades i was like that looks cool but not buyin it, turns out it was free with xbox gamepass and really enjoying it so far, my brothers a roguelike guy so i'll probably get him into it
reef zodiac
No 
real wadi
neon abyss is so bad
minor fractal
Yup only did a few rounds but it was around the same time i played deadcells
reef zodiac
Then change it up.
Try high heat.
Or speedrunning
Or hitless
Or mirrorless
Or boonless
reef zodiac
Try again. Or try something else
There are always ways to change it up and make it feel challenging / fresh again
reef zodiac
Try fresh file
Maybe not that
Fresh File too hard
It kinda does
JS3 BP2 EM3 MM FO2 is a different game tbh
Tbh Isaac is 
Bro Hades isn’t gonna turn into a different game
But it can be very different
Try high heat
Start at 32
gray apex
Lol
somber star
Is aspect of gilgamesh any good
reef zodiac
No
Can be fun though
Mainly dash only. I don’t enjoy using the incredibly weak and unsafe attack and special for the aspect 
polar marsh
Merciful end gilgamesh
reef zodiac
ME Gil is good damage but incredibly unsafe
somber star
I'll stick with demeter then
reef zodiac
Demeter is the only good fists aspect tbh
oak ibex
laughs in my chaotic Gilgamesh runs
I may not be a speedrunner, but going nyoom with Gilgamesh activates an inner Hermes
somber star
Fists are my favorite weapon except in styx
reef zodiac
Tidal Dash is incredible in Styx though 
Especially with Breaking Wave, which is already a desirable T2
mint coral
B.wave is fun
reef zodiac
Well… get it next time
mint coral
"just get the boons" one of hades best tips
somber star
reef zodiac
"just get the boons" one of hades best tips
Assuming you have persuasion and dark foresight, it kinda is
somber star
I guess I'll use dark foresight
reef zodiac
Oh my god yes
Definitely
It’s arguably the second best thing on the mirror after DDs
finite lodge
"just get the boons" one of hades best tips
I was thinking about that too.
valid cipher
Where is Etebus?
lone kernel
Where is Etebus?
If you mean Erebus (easy typo to make - nbd!) you need to buy a contractor upgrade then have 5-10-15 heat (by biome) to use it
use it meaning enter Erebus gates
You can also fight Charon there
valid cipher
Oh that's how I have its entry.
I borrow every chance I get because it lets me buy so much junk.
lone kernel
Yeah there ya go. There’s also the double reward don’t get hit challenge rooms
valid cipher
I have lost twice and won three times so far.
lone kernel
Don’t fight Charon in Tartarus
valid cipher
First area?
valid cipher
Two of my wins where there.
lone kernel
you’re braver than I am
reef zodiac
Depending on the aspect, it’s not too bad
valid cipher
I'm not great at the fight, but every time I beat him I win so.
reef zodiac
I hate that I can’t choose my door after Charon
Can really suck in Tartarus because I can take a boon from a god I didn’t want to be in my pool
If I could choose my door, I’d be a big fan of the Charon fight for my casual runs. But since I can’t, I generally just avoid it
valid cipher
I like the card.
reef zodiac
300 gold + 20% cost reduction is definitely very good
valid cipher
Especially in the first area.
lone kernel
Oh for sure a Charon win can carry you
valid cipher
I love that the fight is just naturally worth more the earlier it is.
lone kernel
Also gotta think about tight deadline
somber star
Tidal Dash is incredible in Styx though <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
You weren't joking, just beat half the game dashing back and forth
reef zodiac
Incredible boon, yes
oak ibex
Poseidon: I grant you the power of nyooooooom
lone kernel
splash dash can hard carry runs if you don’t count boss fights 
somber star
Idk it carries boss fights pretty well
reef zodiac
Crazy good pom scaling too
Does tidal dash have the best pom scaling in the game?
I can’t think of another boon with better scaling
According to this spreadsheet: Thunder dash??
What
somber star
Nobody likes thunder dash
valid cipher
Is that Zueses?
reef zodiac
Yeah
valid cipher
I like it.
reef zodiac
Thunder dash is bad except if you have a full Zeus build
lone kernel
it’s a big percent but 8 more damage lol
reef zodiac
Yeah
karmic pond
Thunder dash is the “I want Smair but every other slot is filled” skill
lone kernel
Thunder dash is the “I want Smair but every other slot is filled” skill
Basically
valid cipher
I didn't say it was good I just said I like it.
valid cipher
I feel like the depressed lady has some fun synergies with herself. I'm pretty sure the turret boons I had carried me.
valid cipher
Beowulf is an old story. :V
mint coral
Depressed lady
reef zodiac
What is the turret
high island
Crystal Beam.
reef zodiac
Oh
karmic pond
You don’t pom tidal dash??
I dunno I’ve never really been the type to use my dashes as anything but a status applier
reef zodiac
But
35 base damage at common
0.6 pom scaling
Tidal Dash is one of the best if not the best pom target in the game
valid cipher
You know what I really miss from the sword when I don't use it?
reef zodiac
Better than jolted
I guess Beo trippy flare is the best pom target
1.2 pom scaling
valid cipher
Cursed Slash.
reef zodiac
You mean the worst or second worst hammer in the game?
valid cipher
It's one of the best to me.
reef zodiac
Yeah man how would I live without it
valid cipher
It carries hard.
karmic pond
Cursed slash isn’t good at all Imo
reef zodiac
It’s beyond bad
mint coral
I guess Beo trippy flare is the best pom target <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Reading the whole convo when the pom scaling was discovered was fun lol
karmic pond
It just means you’re gonna die in one-two hit to Hades
mint coral
"wait 500 dmg with 1 cast against furies?"
valid cipher
That feeling when everyone hates your favorite modifier.
karmic pond
Healing isn’t gonna do much when you die before you can heal, especially with +damage% pact
mint coral
A lot of people like cursed slash, jut that a lot of us here also dont
valid cipher
Best I've done is 2 heat. I'm new.
reef zodiac
Cursed Slash is the Sharp Shadow of Hades
valid cipher
I don't know what that means.
reef zodiac
I hope that someone gets that
mint coral
Fun but weird?
valid cipher
I don't play too many games.
reef zodiac
It’s a hollow knight charm that’s incredibly bad but a lot of people swear it’s so good
valid cipher
It's pretty much Smash, Gungeon, Hades right now.
mint coral
I wanted to play hades rn but joycon drift is saying no lol
Got so bad it goes full to the left without me doing anything
reef zodiac
Nintendo moment
mint coral
Yup
brisk trail
you can probably get that fixed for free
brisk trail
sad</3 i hope you get to play hades without issues soon
mint coral
Oh should have specified
Is only sad for the moments i wanna play handheld and not carry the pro controller
somber star
Cursed Slash is the Sharp Shadow of Hades
Ok so sharp shadow isn't that bad
reef zodiac
You are wrong.
somber star
If you play it effectively it can be really good
somber star
I would agree
reef zodiac
It’s not that I “don’t know how to use it”. It’s just a truly terrible waste of notches.
Good for PoP speedruns and moving around the world quickly though. Just terrible for combat
somber star
Sharp shadow PoP
reef zodiac
Well keep waiting
chrome wharf
Sharp shadow might be badTM but the serotonin of the dash is pog
valid cipher
Imagine playing on the Switch instead of a PC.
I use a Vita once in a while though.
mint coral
Switch comfy most of the time
oak ibex
Switch is the only console I have. Not to mention my PC is not really capable of running games without sacrificing a lot of other functions I have to use it for (especially as someone who intends to go into academia for a career). And although I am not a diehard Nintendo fan, it still holds a lot of childhood memories for me, and god, I am too broke at the moment to buy any other console ;-;
oak ibex
If I had money, a Playstation looks fun, but that's a big maybe
reef zodiac
It has Smash and BotW
mint coral
My first 32 heat was on handheld lol
reef zodiac
Unfortunately, Nintendo is an evil company
mint coral
Never had a problem with it bad timing on the message lol
reef zodiac
oak ibex
Also, as a classically trained musician, a lot of the Nintendo music holds a special place in my heart (and almost made me want to go into the gaming industry as a composer lol)
But yeah, no, Nintendo very evil
As most big gaming companies are 😭
reef zodiac
Nintendo just has this weird hatred for people enjoying their own games
Like they’ve been trying to kill Melee for over 20 years
I liked Nintendo music but then I heard HK music and I was like “damn this is amazing”
And then I heard Dark Souls music
oak ibex
This is probably funny considering the server we are in right now, but Supergiant really put in a new perspective for gaming music for me.
I also grew up with a lot of mobile rhythm games
Cytus, specifically the chapter with the remixed version of various classical compositions, slapped
minor fractal
Hey i got recover to 50% health after encounters and just ran into life affirmation which says any +health chamber rewards are worth 30% more do these stack?
oak ibex
...suddenly has strange idea to create a rhythm game based on West Side Story or something
And you would have to scream "MAMBO" during said song /hj
reef zodiac
Hey i got recover to 50% health after encounters and just ran into life affirmat...
No
mint coral
Hey i got recover to 50% health after encounters and just ran into life affirmat...
Life affirmation means the heart rewards give 30% more hp
minor fractal
Shame
reef zodiac
Also
I forgot after party existed
It’s definitely one of the most forgettable charms boons in the game
Especially because LC4
It’s not like nourished soul because at least I can sell it
mint coral
charms
mint coral
is zag sword just sharp shadow? Increases dash distance
reef zodiac
But it doesn’t
mint coral
Wait i thought it did? Was it only move speed and atk speed?
reef zodiac
Yes
reef zodiac
I heard it used to increase dash distance though
mint coral
I clearly dont know my swords
reef zodiac
So if you played the beta that’s probably what’s messing you up
mint coral
I played a bit after hades switch release
Didnt knew of hades/supergiant games before lol
valid cipher
Also is it just me or is doom + dash blade rift + 4 dashes stupid damage output?
reef zodiac
I mean
Maybe
But tidal dash would be more damage
And I don’t see how the doom is related
valid cipher
I had that the other day going into the Fury and it took like 10 seconds.
Dash attacking.
lone kernel
Unfortunately, Nintendo is an evil company
It’s because their only unique assets is their IP and console gimmicks, that’s lalso why their games are never on sale
valid cipher
Nintendo isn't as evil as Sony. :-)
lone kernel
Nintendo isn’t big enough to be as evil as Sony
reef zodiac
Nintendo isn't as evil as Sony. :-)
How
valid cipher
Do you remember George Hotz?
reef zodiac
They famously shut down hundreds of fan games every year
lone kernel
Nintendo had $10b in revenue last year. Sony had $202b
valid cipher
That's in their right to do though.
lone kernel
They want you to stop playing melee and buy ultimate. And all the dlc
That’s just business
valid cipher
Melee isn't even good.
reef zodiac
Blocking you.
lone kernel
Melee isn't even good.
Eh, it’s dated now, but that game consumed my life for years
valid cipher
I don't get why people keep trying the same things with Nintendo and expect a different outcome.
reef zodiac
Eh, it’s dated now, but that game consumed my life for years
It’s one of the greatest games of all time
lone kernel
It’s one of the greatest games of all time
I’d rather play ultimate right now, but I don’t disagree
valid cipher
Want to make a Metroid game? Cool make up your own IP and say inspired.
:V
ANYWAY
Hades.
lone kernel
Want to make a Metroid game? Cool make up your own IP and say inspired.
Returnal is basically Metroid prime on speed lol
valid cipher
Good game.
brisk trail
hades
valid cipher
Game of the year for sure.
karmic pond
Man I sure do love hit ARPG Hades with immersive, reactive dialogue and addicting gameplay that requires both practice and strategy to master while being easy to pick up
somber star
Is aspect of arthur any good
south sapphire
The final boss is hard
somber star
Ok so
When is this rank guy going to show up
I've done like 10+ runs after saving persephone
chrome wharf
they should be in hades' room?
somber star
they should be in hades' room?
Yeah I keep checking there
harsh canopy
Hello all... I need help... I have completed || 7 heats on all weapons which means it's quite a decent number of runs right ? But till now I only have skelly's companion... Other companions are still missing... I know there are sub quests to get the others but I am kind of stuck... For ex I have unlocked 7 hearts I think for Achilles and now there are no new dialogues at all from him... I know I am supposed to enable a pact so that he can travel to meet his guy... But the pact is not available with the contractor... Similarly I am stuck with other quests as well... Am I doing something wrong ?||
rapid forum
Firstly, spoilers are welcomed here.
Secondly, Achilles's quest is related to Nyx. Keep doing runs and keep talking to NPCs.
chrome wharf
Yeah I keep checking there
Hm not sure then, the usual answer is "do more runs" but if it isn't working try fully closing and reopening the game, or uninstall and reinstall.
If nothing works ask in tech support
somber star
Ok
cold leaf
Anyone got build tips for vermin room in Styx? I hate them so much, it's made me running out of death defiance before encounter Hades
lone kernel
that's what happens when someone has the habit of putting excessive pressure on themselves. honestly, i related to dusa quite a lot in that regard
lone kernel
Anyone got build tips for vermin room in Styx? I hate them so much, it's made me...
do you mean the tiny vermin boss fight or just the giant rats
cold leaf
do you mean the tiny vermin boss fight or just the giant rats
Giant rats
Those mf made me want to turning on God mode 
lone kernel
Poseidon dash can hard carry you through styx
main thing is if theyre looking right at you to get out of the wya
they can bite only straight forward i think
and when youre learning styx, theres nothing wrong with pausing to find the fountains
if u get poisoned try not to panic
cold leaf
if u get poisoned try not to panic
Its hard to find fountain on the biggest chamber before you got boon/another bonus there
Tbh i only struggling in there
Btw which better, bow side dash build or bow Chiron build? Build linked on pinned message here recommending side dash build, meanwhile several guide on internet I've found recommending aspect of Chiron instead
lone kernel
Its hard to find fountain on the biggest chamber before you got boon/another bon...
yeah, but you still gotta know how to do it
Not sure what a side dash build is but Chiron pretty straightforward, for best results Artemis special with concentrated volley and Aphrodite attack and heart rend
cold leaf
yeah, but you still gotta know how to do it <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
So tl;dr Chiron build is the best but you need skill for it?
lone kernel
Def one of the easier aspects to git gud with
cold leaf
Not sure what a side dash build is but Chiron pretty straightforward, for best r...
I mean dash attack not side dash, sorry for my stupidity
lone kernel
So tl;dr Chiron build is the best but you need skill for it?
No, Chiron is solid, but no weapon or build is gonna make you win by itself
And the dash strike power shot applies to all bows
It’s a core technique you should practice on skelly
cold leaf
I see
lone kernel
It’s more important on zag and Rama, but building that habit will make you gud with all bows
cold leaf
Dash strike on bow feels awkward to me in the early game, bcs compared to spear or shield, it's lacking damage so much and not spammable
lone kernel
Power shot charges much faster when you dash strike
Yeah, that’s accurate to the newer player experience
cold leaf
Well yeah maybe i just need to get used with it
lone kernel
That’s not a bad thing tho
lone kernel
Oh if you’re one day in, don’t be so hard on yourself
just try stuff
Took me like four months to git gud
I gotta sleep but good luck!
harsh canopy
Firstly, spoilers are welcomed here.
Secondly, Achilles's quest is related to Ny...
Got it. I think if I keep playing and talking to everyone at some point I should be able to get everything. Thank you
old tapir
Specific: to reunite Achilles and Patroclus you need to complete the quest of one of the other two mid-run npcs first; you can't get the dialogue to fix achilles contract until you've already gotten one of their contracts changed. So in addition to nyx make sure you're talking and giving nectar to sisyphus, or orpheus & eurydice
3 of the other companions are earned by giving nectar to Thanatos, Meg, Dusa, then getting randomly procced cutscenes in the house for meg (there are two), winning the kill competions with thanatos a bunch for him, and completing a prophecy quest for dusa, then giving ambrosia as you did with skelly
And the last of the companiosn you haven't gotten is earned by completing Sisyphus storyline
So for pro gamer speedrunner strats to get 2 of the missing companions you're gonna want to prioritise sisyphus and then once you've done his storyline you can get the series of dialogues to unlock achilles heart too
minor fractal
Yo from hermes (using spear) theres 10% attack speed 30% movement speed and dash to recover health after being hit, the regen is the go right?
high island
Yo from hermes (using spear) theres 10% attack speed 30% movement speed and dash...
If you can't reroll that, I would definitely take Greater Haste.
Movement Speed can get you out of situations, unlocks Rush Delivery, and also stacks multiplicatively with other sources of Movement Speed.
So any Ignited Ichor you can buy will make you even speedier.
It's far from the best boon he has, but it's a pretty good one.
full nexus
And fast running Zag is fun to watch
reef zodiac
Zoom
oak ibex
If you're not playing Hades by zooming through every level while screaming at the top of your lungs, are you really playing Hades
rugged ocean
So I just started playing again after like 8 months of not doing so
I forgot how good the OST is
oak ibex
YES
There are some days when I just bop to the sountrack
Also, I love myself a tenor Orpheus
Which comes as no surprise due to my love for Hadestown
somber star
Is hades aid any good
brisk trail
the dmg bonus is good also it charges fast
I dont like giving up my trinket slot for it tho
somber star
Ok
For the achievement, do I need to 3 star all keepsakes
Not sure what it means by "standard" keepsake
last veldt
I want a T-shirt with Asterius on the front with caption like "Asterius: the bull of Minos, hero of Elysium" and Theseus on the back with just "Other guy".
empty pelican
lernie
last veldt
You mean easiest or just most enjoyable?
runic parrot
em2 lernie is very cool
last veldt
I feel sorry for Lernie, constantly getting wrecked
empty pelican
me too
last veldt
Alecto is a great character.
devout terrace
EM3 is fun and relatively well balanced if you're not playing sword, mostly skill based and not rng heavy
reef zodiac
Imo, the ranking of fights in this game is:
Hades
EM Champions
Champions
EM Furies
Charon
Furies
EM Hades
Lernie
EM Lernie
Tiny Vermin
devout terrace
I like that one
empty pelican
Imo, the ranking of fights in this game is:
Hades
EM Champions
Champions
EM Fur...
is that ascending or descending order
reef zodiac
Descending
devout terrace
EM lernie
reef zodiac
EM Lernie sucks
reef zodiac
Terrible boss
last veldt
EM3 with the comedy banter is fun. The whole Daedalus mask thing is great.
devout terrace
EM4 is fun but just terribly balanced and not fun on melee weapons at all
reef zodiac
Lernie is a genuinely not fun annoying boss
devout terrace
The concept of the fight is coll
reef zodiac
lernie is easy
Not at 50 heat it’s not.
devout terrace
lernie is easy
You're not on fo2, hs or HL5
last veldt
Charon might be my favourite boss actually.
reef zodiac
Lernie kills more runs than Champs
high island
EM Lernie is fun.
empty pelican
Not at 50 heat it’s not.
I'm not good enough to play high heat so I can't relate
reef zodiac
Well I’ll say that lernie isn’t easy with those restrictions
runic parrot
em lernie is fun especially when i have security on
runic parrot
very... very fun
reef zodiac
So much stuff going on all over the place
Charon is fun, but pretty simple
It’s my 5th favorite fight
Never said it did
Good fight
Just not as fun as some of the others for me
This game has some really good fights honestly
somber star
Am I the only one who just never sees charons gold bag
reef zodiac
Yeah
high island
48.37% chance to see the bag in a run when factoring in chances to miss mid-shops.
reef zodiac
Ah that makes sense, I mainly just go to endshops
Why skip midshops?
somber star
Huh
high island
If you take mid-shop when you can.
somber star
Idk I just prefer to save money till the endshop
somber star
Can get an extra boon and maybe centaur heart/health
devout terrace
Ah that makes sense, I mainly just go to endshops
🤔
somber star
Well
reef zodiac
If you take a midshop, you can buy things and get a free reward
somber star
"Free" reward
somber star
I suck at charon
reef zodiac
No enemies, no cost.
reef zodiac
I suck at charon
???
somber star
Your talking about the gold bag right
reef zodiac
No
somber star
Wdym free reward
high island
UnholyPancake means you can skip the shop before a boss to take the free reward in another exit.
somber star
Oh
reef zodiac
And spend your gold at midshops
somber star
Yeah I guess you probably could do that
reef zodiac
Yes
You get more rewards and also fight less enemies
You win in every imaginable way
There is zero downside
But
There’s not even a guarantee of a heal appearing
Also I just use LC4 so
high island
Odds are okay, though.
You'll need less healing if you maximize the value you get from your rooms, so there's that, too.
reef zodiac
I often take the shop over the free reward because I’m looking for a specific boon. But I rarely skip midshops in Tartarus and basically never in Asphodel or Elysium
Why would you be broke in Asphodel or Elysium
Save for the midshops
Well in Tartarus you will always have at least 100 gold at the bare minimum
Huh
Why
grim oar
Guess whos computer froze and crashed just as i was about to beat the final boss?
reef zodiac
Why
Are you farming titan blood and diamonds?
That’s the only time it makes sense to use Golden Touch
Hmm
grim oar
I lost the titan blood too
reef zodiac
I do runs to win the runs
grim oar
Just great
somber star
Exclusive access seems good
reef zodiac
Eh
stiff musk
decided to do a hades giveaway in another server.
runic parrot
its alright but i usually skip it if i get it past tartarus
stiff musk
a year ago... a good friend bought me this game and it has become my FAVOURITE game
runic parrot
or asphodel. depends on my boon situation
stiff musk
i am glad to be fortunate enough to reciprocate that this year
mint coral
I like EA when not planning to get it
So going one of the 2 requisites and the other appears is neat
somber star
Is aspect of chaos or beowulf better
somber star
Ok
reef zodiac
And? How is that relevant
I said Beo is the best aspect in the game. How is it relevant which aspect you prefer
LMAO what
Beowulf has the anyheat world record both seeded and unseeded
It’s literally the fastest aspect in the game
It also has second place in terms of high heat
It’s hard to argue any aspect is better than Beowulf. But if one was better, it would not be Hera
Achilles has Beo beat in modded speedruns, and Zeus has a high heat wr. But Beo is so insanely good for both of those things, it’s just not remotely matched by any other aspect
It’s not relevant whether you like to play it or not. I never said you have to like it. It is however the best aspect in the game
What
signal aspen
signal aspen
ok buddy
reef zodiac
That’s not a thing
chrome wharf
still better than Chaos
signal aspen
still better than hera
raw herald
The attack knocks enemies away from you so it’s pretty hard for that to happen
reef zodiac
Right, that’s what I call a “skill issue”
chrome wharf
the special can literally go tour the whole underworld before letting you use the regular attack again
raw herald
Chaos needs heroic special speed built in in order for it to be viable
signal aspen
huh
reef zodiac
About something that isn’t even an actual issue
Bro idk what in the world you’re talking about right now
🆗
somber star
So how exactly do I progress the quest to bring zues, hades, and poseidon back together
reef zodiac
Gift nectar to all the gods
somber star
Ah ok
mint coral
resetting your mirror/trades with the broker/some cosmetic stuff basically
high island
That’s not a thing
There is. Hera Casts hit all at once and can hit sooner with a quick release than Beowulf, Beowulf Casts hit one after the other and the first doesn't hit as soon.
reef zodiac
I guess
But enemies don’t just walk away before they go off
That’s what I’m saying isn’t a thing
I’m not trying to clear a room with my 600 damage cast and I bull rush an enemy and hit them for around 200 but then they just walk away before my cast hits
high island
There's a reason a lot of speedrunners opt for FO1 for Beowulf, though.
high island
Try hitting some Asphodel enemies with Beowulf and then try hitting them with Hera. One is a lot easier.
reef zodiac
And yet Hera is significantly slower than Beo
high island
It's most pronounced in Asphodel, yes.
But to say it's not a thing is just incorrect.
Hera doesn't have a broken Mirage Shot lol.
reef zodiac
It’s not a thing that my cast just missed enemies
The issue is that my entire bull rush misses enemies
Because they hop around too much
I don’t land my bull rush but not my cast
gray apex
You might be a bit too good
reef zodiac
And enemies definitely do not attack during the bull rush and hit me before the casts go off
As they claimed
That’s not even possible
It’s possible for bosses if you have CShot but that’s it
And it’s such a strange nitpick because like what you want to be invincible 100% of the time instead of just 70% of the time?
high island
If Hera is working better for them, it's working better for them. Not really sure what you're arguing for tbh.
reef zodiac
I never argued against that
But Beo does not “backfire”
That’s what I’m arguing
That their arguments against Beo aren’t actual issues
They don’t have to like it. That’s fine
gray apex
The current wr is only because Beo didnt backfire
high island
Losing Dash i-frames because of your Casts can certainly be an issue.
reef zodiac
It doesn’t get charged shot and mirage shot 100% of the time. That’s hardly an argument
high island
Not everyone is talking in a speedrun context.
versed mason
does "high heat wr" mean there's a set amount of heat that is considered high heat and people go for the fastest time with that, or just the largest amount of heat completed by someone
reef zodiac
At, say 50 heat, Beo does not “backfire”
high island
Gotta see things from other contexts, too.
reef zodiac
does "high heat wr" mean there's a set amount of heat that is considered high he...
Zeus has done 62 heat. Beo has done 60.
high island
does "high heat wr" mean there's a set amount of heat that is considered high he...
Highest Heat.
reef zodiac
I believe Rama has also done 60
high island
High Heat leaderboard starts at 32, so it usually refers to at least 32+, but it can depend a lot on context on who's talking.
reef zodiac
But the difference is that Zeus and Rama do not also have some of the best times on the speedrun leaderboard. Beo is the only aspect that is incredible for both
Which is why I say it is the best aspect in the game
devout terrace
Lol try beo above 55
reef zodiac
Doesn’t mean everyone has to like it. I never said that
devout terrace
probably the grindiest most terrible thing in the entire game
high island
There are also speedrun categories for 32, 40, and 50 Heat; but that's usually specified if people are talking about speed.
chrome wharf
just get Passion Flare Snow Burst through AP2 ez
devout terrace
I want both
reef zodiac
probably the grindiest most terrible thing in the entire game
Is that the case? And 55+ with another aspect is less grindy?
devout terrace
yes
reef zodiac
Which ones
devout terrace
Even unmodded
Rama can take like 4 first hammers
And take either arti dash or attack
reef zodiac
Beo doesn’t need hammers at all though
Also I feel like I’m getting caught up defending an argument that I never said
devout terrace
With beo you are resetting for-first boon, poms, non terrible hammer and a status other than weak
reef zodiac
I mean, ok
devout terrace
You're also very prone to timing out because of high CP and DC
reef zodiac
What is your point though
devout terrace
beo isnt that good on super high heat like rama or zeus
high island
Rama and Zeus DC2 is pretty free in comparison.
reef zodiac
beo isnt that good on super high heat like rama or zeus
Is any other aspect better than Beo beside those two though?
devout terrace
Hestia
reef zodiac
For real
devout terrace
Yes
reef zodiac
Hestia literally dies to bad rooms
devout terrace
Yes
reef zodiac
You literally just die to bad rooms
gray apex
Hestia handles RI a lot better than Beo
reef zodiac
10x more than the other 3
Grinding 50 with Hestia was by far the most miserable of my three 50s
gray apex
It took me 3 tries
devout terrace
Well you're also normal mode
reef zodiac
Does modded even help?
gray apex
It does
reef zodiac
Oh you mean hell mode?
devout terrace
I meant hell/normal
reef zodiac
The issue was BP2 JS3 rooms
devout terrace
You had to take Ap2
gray apex
I dont think you just die to bad rooms with hestia
reef zodiac
That wasn’t why it was miserable
reef zodiac
I dont think you just die to bad rooms with hestia
Savior greatshields are literally rip run
Like it’s over
gray apex
idk about that one
reef zodiac
Even if you beat them, it takes longer than any bossfight
marble badge
You might just not be very good with the hestia playstyle
Which is totally ok because it kinda hard
reef zodiac
Do you think Beo is a notably worse high heat aspect than Rama, Zeus, and Hestia?
I’m no expert so if better heat climbers than me say it is then I’ll believe it
marble badge
I think there is a heat range where it's quite a bit more grindy than the other three to win at but the objective ability of the aspect to do it is fine
reef zodiac
Alright makes sense
marble badge
Mostly I'm just not a fan of needing to dump poms into a single boon on ap2
reef zodiac
Yeah that makes sense
I just dislike AP2 in general
Not fun for me
Partly because I play unmodded
Not really too fun to spend multiple minutes resetting at the start of every actual run
versed mason
also what do people even mod in to make the game speedrun ready?
marble badge
Either nothing or a community supported mod pack
lone kernel
also what do people even mod in to make the game speedrun ready?
The community mod pack gives you four boons to choose from from your first god plus guarantees your choice of hammer, eliminates asterius barge and tiny vermin as possible encounters, and guarantees 2 sack
or at least the one I use
versed mason
hm
lone kernel
Basically you’ll get best case RNG and the rest is up to you
versed mason
interesting
lone kernel
Check modding server for more info, but you can find that pack on speedrun.com resources page for hades
reef zodiac
You can also guarantee a hammer that you need if you want, right?
versed mason
makes sense for speedruns yeah ig
reef zodiac
Just the first one though?
lone kernel
You can also guarantee a hammer that you need if you want, right?
First hammer only
reef zodiac
Gotcha
lone kernel
You pick before the run starts and can set your preferred hammer for each aspect in a menu accessed in skellys room
reef zodiac
I think modded is good. Just a better game tbh
But I play on console and I’m not switching to PC. So I cope
lone kernel
Yeah, modded basically just removes “damn, I had Tartarus smair but got five sacked and lost”
and your boy 
not showing up doesn’t hurt
versed mason
sounds nice if i ever try speedrunning
esp if you're trying achilles? which apparently is hammer reliant from what I've heard
reef zodiac
Yes
Flurry jab is kinda a necessity for a certain pace
Beo also needs CShot for a certain pace, but that pace is faster than when FJ is required I think
But then Eris needs clockets for a certain pace which is two hammers
reef zodiac
🕰️
lone kernel
But then Eris needs clockets for a certain pace which is two hammers
Guaranteed rocket and one shotting most of Tartarus goes a long way
reef zodiac
Lady Maria of the Astral Clockets
reef zodiac
Guaranteed rocket and one shotting most of Tartarus goes a long way
I’m sure it does
lone kernel
But yeah you need clockets for peak gaming lol
muted phoenix
Hi
high island
You can see in races that good rooms generally beat good builds, but for top times you'll need both more and more as players push the WRs lower.
lone kernel
esp if you're trying achilles? which apparently is hammer reliant from what I've...
Yeah flurry jab on Achilles is my career high 11:30 (modded - am bad at the game but 
)
high island
And also player skill, naturally.
versed mason
i haven't gotten any runs under 15 even yet lol dw
high island
You want very few encounters, but you also don't want to make mistakes in those encounters that cost you time.
reef zodiac
I plan to start recording Beo speedruns soon, but I know I’ll never beat my PB
lone kernel
Finish rooms at the door to the next one take every free room etc
reef zodiac
My pb is stupid and I’ll never get that lucky again
high island
I just don't have the drive to really grind the game anymore. Much more focused on Street Fighter V especially now that locals are a thing again in my region.
reef zodiac
Fair enough
high island
I do an old school hell mode with Beowulf, though. As in, can't go below the highest heat I've cleared with it.
reef zodiac
How high did you go?
high island
I think it's at 41 now?
All with EM4.
41 being the last I did, I mean.
43 is next, I guess.
reef zodiac
LC3 gaming
devout terrace
interesting pact
reef zodiac
Seems like a pretty normal pact beside no UC and LC3
And EM4
Oh I didn’t see CP2
high island
Just HL5 EM4 CP2 FO2 HS for the fight + other things to make up 42 Heat.
reef zodiac
Can’t be purging aphro boons
Good point
somber star
Demeter, Ares, or artemis
reef zodiac
What’s the context
reef zodiac
Ok what weapon what aspect do you have any other boons how about hammers what region is it etc
Context is important
somber star
True
cyan crown
Sheesh i unlocked malphon
somber star
Chaos shield, frost strike/tempest flourish/true shot/tidal dash/ares aid/dashing wallop, asphodel
Malphon is fun
reef zodiac
My point is more that you kinda have to make the decision for yourself most of the time
cyan crown
Man i still dont know who to give my nectar to
cyan crown
Like i gave my last one to hypnos
somber star
Ok I'll try
cyan crown
Ok ok
somber star
Man i still dont know who to give my nectar to
After getting all the gem upgrades I would recommend trading gems for keys and keys for nectar if you don't have enough
cyan crown
Oh idk how to do that
somber star
trader
chrome wharf
Chonky shade in the right of the lounge
real wadi
hades
upbeat kiln
is it ever explained where the wretched broker gets his infinite amounts of gigantic diamonds, ambrosia and titan's blood
real wadi
They grow on trees
reef zodiac
is it ever explained where the wretched broker gets his infinite amounts of giga...
Me. I am the supplier.
gray apex
upbeat kiln
unholy pancake, trafficker of the underworld
somber star
Is aspect of chiron or hera better
chrome wharf
they're all good in their own way
but Hera doesn't need levels to be good
Chiron needs a few levels to work "properly"
reef zodiac
Is aspect of chiron or hera better
Chiron for heat, Hera for speed
Hera is fast
But falls off super hard at high heat
somber star
Ok, probably hera since my chiron is low
gray apex
Chiron is relatively the same
reef zodiac
Chiron is never particularly amazing tbh
But I’d rather do 50 with Chiron than with Hera
chrome wharf
hera WR is only 1 heat lower than Chiron (unseeded at least
upbeat kiln
rama gang
crude surge
Yeah at a high enough heat you just play bad zag bow for both
Chiron is fine until how slow it is becomes a problem
chrome wharf
the Chiron WR is TD2
somber star
That's fair
Does bringing the egg to the hades fight like chaos suggests do anything
chrome wharf
it brings them entertainment and gives a special win quote from dad
chrome wharf
and the prophecy reward ofc
somber star
Guess I'll do it then
reef zodiac
But I think you have to win
somber star
Shouldn't be too hard
chrome wharf
yeah don't make dad too hard
high island
Chiron for heat, Hera for speed
Most people aren't asking for either of those things.
high island
Context is important
.
somber star
attacks damage you on hera aspect sucks
devout terrace
what
upbeat kiln
chaos im assuming
somber star
Yeah, for some reason I thought I could still cast
reef zodiac
Most people aren't asking for either of those things. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Then why ask if it’s good? Doesn’t matter if it’s good if you’re not doing either of those things
chrome wharf
"just" don't get hit, you can't die from the curse
upbeat kiln
Then why ask if it’s good? Doesn’t matter if it’s good if you’re not doing eithe...
fun?
reef zodiac
Right but if you’re playing for fun then why does it matter which is better
I can’t really tell you which is better other than by saying how well they do in a context of heat or speed
lone kernel
The answer to literally every question of “is x or y better in z situation in hades” is “it depends”
Pancake would rather have charged shot on his beo while I prefer sudden rush
For example
lone kernel
Who’s right? No idea. I’m well aware that the “meta” says cshot but I can’t get a feel for it
lone kernel
Sudden Rush is better for EM4
True, I am a bit of a masochist lol
reef zodiac
But if you ask me “which is better”, all I can really tell you is that sudden rush is better for EM4 and CShot is better for speed.
gray apex
cshot is only meta for speedrunning
lone kernel
Oh word. Hard to keep track lol
chrome wharf
🥞
somber star
10 bloodstone hera is a bit broken
somber star
Unfortunately they were mostly prometheus stones so now I have to fight hades with only 7
signal aspen
"only"
reef zodiac
Yeah no 8 is crazy as it is
gray apex
I’ve never had more than 8 I don’t think
Croven got like a 6:09 unmodded yesterday with 9 lol
reef zodiac
Beo or Hera
gray apex
Hera
signal aspen
croven tier boons
upbeat kiln
is there any place on the internet that lists the shades' dialogue
or am i out of luck
narrow hemlock
what shades
lone kernel
is there any place on the internet that lists the shades' dialogue
do u mean the random how this shade died like the dude who wanted a glimpse of Aphrodite and died of dehydration
upbeat kiln
yeah the thirst trap shade
gray apex
do u mean the random how this shade died like the dude who wanted a glimpse of A...
I thought you were gonna say got fed to the crocodiles
upbeat kiln
"I really should've listened to mother..."
-Cause of death: Impalement
upbeat kiln
"I really thought the goddess of the hunt was looking out for me..."
-Cause of death: Trampling
lone kernel
"shoulda purged zeus legendary instead of different league" - cause of death, 🐊
upbeat kiln
"I'm telling you, Achilles was the strongest there ever was!"
-Cause of death: Achilles
brisk trail
Just got my first no Death defiance run on hades
Idk why I specified the game
This is the Hades server
upbeat kiln
there are a lot of roguelites
chrome wharf
idk, sometimes this place and #off-topic-discussion swap spiritually
lone kernel
idk, sometimes this place and <#461234513427562517> swap spiritually
And high heat and lore channels lol
And victory boasting 
brisk trail
somber star
What's considered "high heat"
somber star
That is a pretty high heat
reef zodiac
Depends who you ask
brisk trail
u can ask for heat advice anyway ifu need it
somber star
Nah I'm still playing at 3-5 heat
reef zodiac
somber star
How do people get the bonds they've forged to show up on their victory screen
reef zodiac
Modded
somber star
Ah
brisk trail
ayo, how does one unlock megaera's 7th heart?, is there a quest or smth
somber star
ambrosia
brisk trail
no i mean, is there a quest to be able to give her ambrosia, ive maxed out the gauge of almost every other character
i just haven't gotten any type of quest for meg
somber star
You just need to do a few runs
somber star
You'll know because she'll appear in your bedroom
Then you'll be able to gift it to her
brisk trail
alright, thanks!
somber star
np
lone kernel
How do people get the bonds they've forged to show up on their victory screen
Yeah, those gods change based on what mods you’re using. It’s a way to keep speed runners honest. I’m fine with modded category I don’t have the patience for three sacks screwing me
somber star
Ah, that's smart
gray apex
Yea if you configure the mods some different bonds will show instead
upbeat kiln
isnt it also a way to check the god pool
gray apex
isnt it also a way to check the god pool
The bonds at the top right?
upbeat kiln
yeah
gray apex
The bonds are shown as an indicator that the game is modded and they also refer to certain mod configurations, they have nothing to do with your god pool
upbeat kiln
oh nvm then
gray apex
Different bonds can mean different stuff, like a Sisyphus bond means that Thanatos is disabled
Etc
upbeat kiln
ooooh
i thought it was just a neat way to show the god pool
guess that makes sense
gray apex
It wouldn’t work unfortunately because those gods are shown before you start your run, and also you have other characters and chthonic gods not just Olympians
somber star
Is the aspect of talos any good
gray apex
It’s decent, on the weaker side compared to Zag or Demeter fists however
somber star
Hmm ok
reef zodiac
Casually: it’s fine
High heat or speedrunning: it’s one of the worst aspects tbh
somber star
With demeter fists I usually end up just using mostly my special so I never really get gigacutter
reef zodiac
But everything is fine casually
gray apex
Well your attack would a lot of work too
Should get the habit of using it and dash-uppering every now and then on smaller enemies and chunk big ones with your charged special
reef zodiac
With demeter fists I usually end up just using mostly my special so I never real...
I would advise against that personally
That’s very bad in terms of both damage and safety
somber star
I guess so
reef zodiac
wym you guess so
somber star
I guess you're right
gray apex
I guess your guess is correct
inland knot
why would I want to buy the ability to go back to the admin chamber
what's in there that I could possibly want
reef zodiac
You could Google it
chrome wharf
look at your run stats, troll the shades there, eventually needed for some pretty sick items
inland knot
oh, alright, thank you
chrome wharf
If something else is requiring your diamonds you can spend them there first, tho
inland knot
yeah
but I won't be able to access the items that you get from the admin chamber in a while anyways
chrome wharf
yeah
inland knot
alright, thanks for the help, it's appreciated as always
last veldt
It's there a list of all the run titles and their requirements (e.g. Made friends along the way)
Wondering if there's any I still don't have
gray apex
Should be on the wiki
inland knot
if there is, it's probably on the hades wiki
last veldt
Ta
last veldt
I've platinumed the game ages ago
gray apex
That’s one big warning sign
last veldt
I mean the epigraphs on the victory screen
last veldt
Favoured and envied, made friends along the way, fisher king etc
Epigraph, not epilogue
gray apex
last veldt
Yes, that
Thanks. Just didn't know what the Wiki was calling them.
A few I don't have, so that's something to aim for.
Ending on exactly zero money is going to be tricky
chrome wharf
Can you even do that? The hades adds drop money and get killed when you get past phase 1
inland knot
I guess you have to get really lucky with chaos boons and chiron's shop in the temple of styx
wind violet
im sorry zag just looks so so short in the painting after the credits roll
it's hilarious
I always thought of him as tall
lone kernel
Relative to other gods tho
inland knot
which ig wasn't that short by ancient greek standards
inland knot
Relative to other gods tho <:Zulda:718577362802966558>
A lot of them are directly descendant from titans, I'd say it's reasonable that they're really tall, even compared to Zag
lone kernel
Yeah, I mean zag strikes me as a regular dude, and hades is like 30 feet tall lol
wind violet
yeah that photo just makes him look like such a child
somber star
How do I unlock the last heart for the gods
inland knot
I accidentally spoiled a big part of the games ending for myself
damn
at least I got to look at zagreus being a dwarf lmao
that spear looks so huge in his little hands lol
Cerberus seems so much larger in game too
chrome wharf
repost of mine from before
So I did a Very Scientific Analysis of their relative heights (ie pulled up the ending portrait in Illustrator drew straight lines over them, and read off the pixel counts)
just by ratio, Zag : Persephone : Hades : Cerberus = 1 : 0.94 : 1.38 : 1.48
normalized to
Zag = 5 foot 2 (158 cm), giving us
Persephone: 4 foot 10 (148 cm)
Hades: 7 foot 1 (217 cm)
Cerberus: 7 foot 8 (234 cm) at middle head
wind violet
damn
inland knot
damn
wind violet
til I'm taller than zagreus
inland knot
I'm almost as tall as Hades
chrome wharf
Zag's height is taken from someone else's research about the average height of a Greek man, since in-canon it's said he around the same height as Theseus
wind violet
im not even close to hades
hmm okay
makes sense
wait wasn't perspephone taller than zag in the photo?
or was she standing on something
chrome wharf
She's on stairs
inland knot
she's standing one stair step above him
chrome wharf
likely 2 stairs
inland knot
Zag's height is taken from someone else's research about the average height of a...
was that the average height of Greek men of current day or from when the Greek pantheon was still active
chrome wharf
"ancient Greece" according to OP
inland knot
since humans have grown taller over the last couple millennia
chrome wharf
likely 2 stairs
her dress covers where her feet are
lone kernel
Zag is 5’2? Wut
chrome wharf
ancient humans be short
mild briar
Can I post pics in here
inland knot
if I get blood frenzy after I used my death defiance, does the effect still apply?
chrome wharf
You gotta host it elsewhere and paste link
inland knot
Can I post pics in here
assuming you have pic perms, yeah
mild briar
how do you get pic perms
mild briar
...lame
chrome wharf
nobody has pic perms outside of victory boasting and fan works and possibly tech support
inland knot
how do you get pic perms
pic perms don't exist, they do it differently in here
chrome wharf
and the now retired localization channel
reef zodiac
pic perms don't exist, they do it differently in here
Then why did you say you can if you have pic perms if you knew they didn’t exist
chrome wharf
long live the chinese UC tooltip typo
inland knot
if I get blood frenzy after I used my death defiance, does the effect still appl...
I still need help with this
reef zodiac
It’s only for the same chamber that you lost your DD in
so unless you’re doing an infernal trove, it literally does not matter
narrow hemlock
Can I post pics in here
hi there! we limit the use of direct image uploads for a variety of reasons, but link embeds are still perfectly functional. you just have to host your image elsewhere like imgur or a personal server and paste the link
inland knot
I just realized it said encounter not run. this boon is useless, I don't need help deciphering it, I won't be using it
chrome wharf
I still need help with this
That room only
reef zodiac
I just realized it said encounter not run. this boon is useless, I don't need he...
Yes. It sucks.
Can be less useless with SD, but still terrible
chrome wharf
Can be useful if SD or bossing
reef zodiac
Barely
inland knot
oh yeah true
reef zodiac
As someone who plays at high heat with LC4 and SD, it’s still very bad there
inland knot
what's SD
chrome wharf
The green version of Death Defiance
reef zodiac
It’s only use is for LC4, which is used at 32+ heat
inland knot
I don't quite understand that one at all
chrome wharf
level 4 lasting consequences disables all healing outside of centaur hearts and darkness. To counter that, you take Stubborn Defiance. If, at the end of a room, you have less than 30% HP (say 10/100) and still have your revive, you take intentional damage to hit 0, revive, and go into the next room with 30/100
somber star
1 dd on bosses is a bit
reef zodiac
it has to be timed pretty well though
How
chrome wharf
Also special interaction with Athena's Last/Deathless stand where if you take those boons while your revive slot is empty, she adds a revive which now gives you 2 revives. Also works for Chaos iirc
reef zodiac
^
chrome wharf
1 dd on bosses is a bit <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah unless you luck out with Pat and Touch (kiss?) of Styx
chrome wharf
it has to be timed pretty well though
easy in Asphodel since you can walk into lava. In Elysium it needs practice
somber star
Yeah
chrome wharf
anyone know the exact conditions for getting Zag to be Employee of the Run
besides getting the credits
chrome wharf
It's a loyalty program for the FlowMiles you accumulated through dying
chrome wharf
aint the employee thing just rng
I've heard things like "you have to clear 5 heat"
yeah it's a set of conditions you must do, then Zag gets added to the pool
lone kernel
Pretty sure u need to be appointed underworld security director officially rather than just the jackass son ransacking dad’s domain
narrow hemlock
depends on the god, they all have different requirements. however most will unlock naturally through gameplay