Yep the auto aim is far less steep
#h1-discussion
devout terrace
reef zodiac
mint coral
Achilles special auto aim with controller is just egregious
Wdym you dont like your aim into a pot
devout terrace
yeah kbm hera hurts
mint coral
Oh yeah been wondering, whats the problem with kbm hera?
gray apex
everything
mint coral
I see
gray apex
Yea I wouldnt recommend Flurry at all
devout terrace
Like I see controller hera and they literally instantly lock on to an enemy
I dont have that luxury
gray apex
I use Triple usually
lone kernel
fair enough
devout terrace
Its all manual
mint coral
Il keep myself on comfy controller hera while suffering on unmodded existence then
lone kernel
I have a controller with back bumpers for beo and hera
They made me 8 heat better at the game
mint coral
Potato laptop gang
mint coral
Just cause i cant doesnt mean i will enjoy it
im not croven with the "unfair advantage"
lone kernel
Just mod the game on pc and use a controller
i really should, i have a gaming pc that i only use for capitalism purposes 
i have a modded controller that works on pc now too
christmas is coming, and one of your buddies prob has an old ps4 controller lyin around they dont need (i do lol)
bitter spoke
Ig ill save up enough money to but a second hand ds4
Or xbox 360 one with the dongle coz i can use that on more games for pc
lone kernel
oh jeez, the $20 ones are on backorder and legit ones are $100... a new dualsense is 70 what capitalism
or if you can hold out, odds are someone you know will get a ps5/XSX and have a ps4/XB1 controller they can part with
for christmas
reef zodiac
Getting an early win streak on a new file is funny because it messes up the dialogue a bit
I’m on my 16th win with rail and Zag decides it’s time to go to Achilles and say “I found a new weapon! Exagryph!” 
mint coral
I got my "Achilles i defeated father" after the credits lol
reef zodiac
I didn’t unlock the other side of my mirror until after my 15th win
lone kernel
How many runs to get first clear
reef zodiac
On this file? 4 I think. Then I lost one, and haven’t lost since
Right now I’m just doing low heat runs trying to max out my mirror and unlock the hidden aspects that I want
reef zodiac
Yeah I’m working on it
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s pretty annoying
reef zodiac
Zag just asked Eurydice what Persephone is like as if he doesn’t see her every 20 minutes
devout terrace
"you are immortal, but in a manner, you can die"
full nexus
👀
reef zodiac
Nothing interesting
full nexus
Just you deleting your post 👀
reef zodiac
No I didn’t delete it
full nexus
Oh a smite from the heavens
prisma wind
Truly mysterious
red coral
the world may never know who intervened...
full nexus
Nothing sir Mike
marble badge
Now I'm curious
reef zodiac
Now I'm curious
One of the least interesting mod pings you’ll ever see
lone kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760602521604587614/920698519650697236/I...
darn
reef zodiac
Weird way to say that
versed mason
i try
reef zodiac
That’s not a compliment
gray apex
lone kernel
but that person on the internet said it wasn’t real
quasi breach
Kratos goes by the name Jason Huh these days and is big on bodybuilding actually
feral belfry
@gray apex as a Rama enthusiast and 55+ heat clearer. What's your optimal rama build, for attack and special specifically? Arphro zeus?
reef zodiac
At 55 heat you can’t afford to be choosy about your special boon
marble badge
If you don't want to reset for rarity Artemis attack is fine, but otherwise aphrodite
Most of the scaling you'll get is from hammers
marble badge
Special has several good options
No, you don't need duos and relying on them at higher heat is futile
feral belfry
I did zeus on special and got all of his other perks and was clearing rooms with only special. I know it's not how you're supposed to play but dang it was good
I'm more working towards 32 heat
I have no interest in 50 heat tbh
marble badge
Any of the flat damage specials like Zeus dio ares are great
Demeter also very cozy since you can build up chill pretty fast if you're having trouble with speedy things
reef zodiac
My favorite thing about Rama is that every god had at least one boon that I’m happy to have
Although I still don’t want Ares and Dionysus
raw herald
Same with Achilles
reef zodiac
Well, less so with Achilles
raw herald
Although I still don’t want Ares *and* Dionysus
Curse of nausea!??
reef zodiac
Eww
marble badge
If you're asking about an optimal build I have a specific one in mind if we're talking anyheat levels
reef zodiac
There are multiple reasons why I wouldn’t want curse of nausea
raw herald
💦
gray apex
I guess the others answered it
mint coral
If you're asking about an optimal build I have a specific one in mind if we're t...
flood shot gaming
lone kernel
Even with ares and Dionysus, ares special Dionysus call doesn’t suck
It’s not smair w an epic rip current but it’s better than you’d think
feral belfry
I guess the others answered it <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
so aphro attack basically
marble badge
Yea
If you're working on 32 there's nothing really hindering you from getting a juicy aphrodite attack
reef zodiac
Even with ares and Dionysus, ares special Dionysus call doesn’t suck
Fair point
Dio call is pretty good
gray apex
Yup Aphro attack is really good
It also helps you passively by making your enemies weak
reef zodiac
Big fan of Aphro attack Rama
high island
<@!542795151135997953> as a Rama enthusiast and 55+ heat clearer. What's your op...
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
high island
Wdym.
reef zodiac
Did you just make this
reef zodiac
lone kernel
chrome wharf
unaruable words of wisdom.
feral belfry
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
I low key was playing like this on accident once though. I had low enough heat that I was killing everyone with special trying to spread shared suffering lol
high island
lol it's plenty strong for how easy it is.
lone kernel
dem special and killing freeze rama stonks
reef zodiac
Zeus special jolted
lone kernel
zip zoom around against slow enemies
reef zodiac
Drunken flourish you nerds
My ranking goes:
Thunder > Ares > Drunken > Frost
lone kernel
aphro special, artemis attack, chain shot, heart rend
its not optimal but man it is fun
feral belfry
I appreciate this intel
devout terrace
what does chain shot have to do with it
reef zodiac
makes triple shot not work correctly
lone kernel
what does chain shot have to do with it
Shared suffering, plus three opportunities for arrows to crit
It’s not optimal but it’s just fun watching four goons die to one Rama arrow
devout terrace
triple or twin still probably better
lone kernel
Oh it is
But sometimes you don’t get triple or twin
All I’m sayin is chain shot Rama is fun
devout terrace
true, you get point blank or perfect
lone kernel
Or you get repulse and ap2 idk
devout terrace
vague sedge
rama is heat
the last run i did with it i got the hammer upgrade that slows the attack charge down
reef zodiac
Yikes
calm zenith
Zeus probably has the highest damage potential
Sea storm maybe idk that might just not work as well as just thunder flourish
Yeah. A good thunder flourish should have like 60+ dmg bolts. Sea storm bolts are 40 right?
kindred silo
Well it depends on the weapon Id say
calm zenith
kindred silo
Seastorm Chiron > Thunder Flourish Chiron
reef zodiac
Yes but both are very bad
devout terrace
thunder flourish chiron is copium incarnate
devout terrace
I mean you only get like the initial 1 stack of damage
its like zeus special on dem fists
it looks like its doing all the damage
but in reality you only did 50 🗿
devout terrace
I have a fists 52 run that got epic aphro special into an AP2 replace zeus special
that really frickin sucked
twin thistle
devout terrace
I got common dio special in styx lel
gray apex
I like Sea Storm Chiron more than Heartrend
lone snow
is there any particular way to get the asterius miniboss to spawn? trying to get the hidden fist aspect and i've had probably four wins without seeing it yet
void vigil
its random whether you get the butterfly ball or asterius once you get to elysium and go for the miniboss door
halcyon imp
Nah, just take the the mini boss door whenever you can
sand comet
im so done
i was just on my best run ever and I was in styx, about to fight Hades
and the game crashed, and now im back in the house of hades
just remembered that i got bonds with both zeus and artemis that run
feels bad man
feral belfry
damn I'm running Zeus shield and have legendary zeus flourish and jolted. Shame I didn't push the heat higher
twin thistle
im so done
i was just on my best run ever and I was in styx, about to fight Hade...
might be possible to recover the run if you havent started another one yet
twin thistle
sand comet
playing on switch so rip
twin thistle
rip then
bright zephyr
i love yo game 🕊️
feral belfry
Billowing streghtn, smair, floursh and jolted, is...pretty great
sudden peak
got to use shield of chaos with ||Aspect of Zeus|| today and I lost all 3 of my death defiances to theseus, used lucky tooth, recovered a defiance, only to lose them all again to Hades
IN THE FIRST PHASE
I screamed at the top of my lungs cursing at myself for how this was happening to me!
I think the biggest reason why I failed so hard was that my level was too low to deal with 3 heat alone
.....or maybe I was just being WAY too wreckless and focusing primarily on damage over keeping myself alive
reef zodiac
I like Sea Storm Chiron more than Heartrend
Why
feral belfry
what level is chaos shield
lone kernel
i has a pc copy yeehaw
gray apex
Why <:dusa:522248771409543188>
It’s a lot of fun
reef zodiac
I’ll take your word for it
I shoot Skelly with arrows
Skelly: “Now that’s what I call being shot with arrows!”
gray apex
This fight was just over 2 minutes
Totally melted phase 3
This was my attempt at cheesing 50
halcyon girder
Welp I'm not gonna beat my record cuz I'm too lazy
chrome reef
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/913162630825377873/Had...
Gonna be honest
I tried Sea Storm Chiron
not my favorite
I much prefer Heart Rend
gray apex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/920829750455451708/unk...
The fated authority experience
Got double strike atleast
gray apex
not my favorite
Yea heartrend is more popular
chrome reef
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/920831770570661888/unk...
clutch or kick
clutch or kick
clutch or kick
gray apex
twin thistle
just no hit fo2 em4 p3. nope im dead 
gray apex
Oh this is EM4
chrome reef
Oh its EM4
gray apex
I didnt notice
twin thistle
the smol brain cycle. smack down dad > think hmm lets try it against em4 > die
gray apex
Did you get sea storm tho
twin thistle
yeah
chrome wharf
when you select a file, the game will ask you which way to beam
lone kernel
the video linked here is really good
junior dawn
Thank you!
old tapir
Working through my hidden aspect prophecies finally. On an Arthur run, the annoying thing about this weapon is that the special takes five million years and the animation will be interrupted by any other button press or taking damage
I guess the health increase is kinda op so they had to balance it by having all these 2 second interruptible animations
My usual sword aspect is nemesis so my muscle memory says “nova procs instantly” so I keep screwing it up
twin thistle
Working through my hidden aspect prophecies finally. On an Arthur run, the annoy...
helps to dash during the special animation
like start it far away and dash into enemies
old tapir
!!!! thanks
versed mason
same with attack, you can dash between each hit of the 3 hit combo
v important cause it allows you to hit your third hit which hits really hard
make sure to get a % damage on your attack
and just slamming your special in any sorta choke point is beneficial, esp if you get the silly hammer that makes it's area bigger
static furnace
fast willow
you cant get both at the same time
gray apex
👀
wary mural
damn had a good run and then the one of megs sisters showed up for the first time
reef zodiac
You declared it a “really good run” in Tartarus?
The only time I’ll do that is AP1+ RI2 where I need pretty good RNG to even get two boons that are decent
wary mural
like i had good sinergising boons and a hammer upgrade
fossil coral
and u lost against one of the sisters
wary mural
yeah but stil like the murder lady was tricky got her low tho
fossil coral
its th easiest for me
wary mural
was it easier for u the first time you killed her
wary mural
well it bc i suck
fossil coral
she just makes the map smaller
wary mural
and then spams a billion projectiles
rapid forum
if you attack the projectiles it will disappear.
fossil coral
can u attack the projectiles?
rapid forum
yea
balmy scarab
I do think Alecto is the hardest but idk
rapid forum
So basically you can whale in on her when she does the AOE projectile thingy
one or two will hit you
but you'll survive
wary mural
depends on the weopen
wary mural
jay alacto fight
reef zodiac
if u can beat meg u can beat all of them
No Alecto can be tricky. Well, maybe not for normal runs but she’s actually quite hard to do hitless
fossil coral
ee
balmy scarab
Best weapon is subjective but I like the bow cause range
fossil coral
i cant aim w it
balmy scarab
If you have Chiron you can just get an attack in from afar and then use the special
Are you playing on pc?
fossil coral
no
fossil coral
xbox
balmy scarab
You should have controller auto aim
fossil coral
its bad
balmy scarab
Well I mean sometimes you will if you’re far away
Or the enemies move
But if you’re somewhat close you shouldn’t be missing a bunch
balmy scarab
Fists are good
fossil coral
i tried all guns and the fists r the best for me
balmy scarab
Zeus shield is epic
wary mural
and with special hangover its very good
balmy scarab
I used to avoid it like the plague and then got an op build with it and now it’s probably my favorite shield aspect
Idk why I just never used it or spent Titans blood on it cause I thought it sounded bad
balmy scarab
and with special hangover its very good
It’s extremely op with Zeus on special
Get all the Zeus boons like double strike, jolted, the legendary and you’ll be destroying everything
Doom on special with Athena attack is also good
And merciful end
rapid forum
It’s extremely op with Zeus on special
I mean, clue's in the name. It's his shield
reef zodiac
Zeus shield with anything except Zeus special just feel kinda weak
But with Zeus special it shreds
wary mural
i have the auto aim special bow and i got the option for piercing or relentless volley wath should i pick
knotty moth
the spear is the easiest for me so far, havent tried the fist or gun though
rapid forum
i have the auto aim special bow and i got the option for piercing or relentless ...
relentless
piercing is kinda clunky on chiron
wary mural
400+armor damage tho
wary mural
ok
reef zodiac
Piercing is fine (probably the 3rd best hammer) but relentless is definitely definitely better.
reef zodiac
Buy it from the house contractor
wary mural
but how do i unlock the option to buy it bc it isnt in there
wary mural
ok
chrome wharf
I mean, clue's in the name. It's his shield <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
If only Demeter Fists were most optimal with Demeter
gray apex
It is indeed very cool
south sapphire
hadeez nutz
wary mural
hadeez nutz
fit in yo mouth
wary mural
it is
reef zodiac
This channel is full of spoilers
Just so you know
#h1-for-new-players is the spoiler-free channel
south sapphire
oh k
btw
i got a choice
help
which is better
divine strike
phalanx shot
or divine dash
reef zodiac
At this point in the game, you gotta figure this stuff out yourself
south sapphire
This channel is full of spoilers
ive seen u before
reef zodiac
The entire game is full of choices. You need to just make them yourself
wary mural
divine dash its pretty good
south sapphire
how to heal
south sapphire
confusing
reef zodiac
Bro you’re literally less than 15 minutes into the game. I highly suggest you just play the game instead of asking everyone here to tell you what to do
south sapphire
Bro you’re literally less than 15 minutes into the game. I **highly suggest** yo...
okay ig
i just wanted basic info
reef zodiac
This is stuff you will find out very quickly if you just play the game
south sapphire
btw is deflect just parry
wary mural
bounce projectile back too
south sapphire
wdym
wary mural
if a projectile comes your way and you deflect it it will hit the enemy
south sapphire
so its just parry in dead cells but no dmg to melee attacks
wary mural
yes
bleak karma
peak acorn
zenith skiff
me: god i am terrible at fighting games
me: [buys hades]
devout terrace
What
reef zodiac
Hades is not a fighting game
gray apex
gray apex
my friend told me it was oops
Have you tried it yet
zenith skiff
i have, i think i'm like 30 hours in?
having a very good time, but only when i turn on god mode lol
reef zodiac
How do you get 30 hours in without realizing it’s not a fighting game 
gray apex
Good atleast you're having fun
zenith skiff
because i don't play video games very often so i'm not super familiar with the genres oops-
south sapphire
Hades music is like doom music but greek
zenith skiff
doom music?
reef zodiac
Music from Doom
vapid narwhal
Hades music is like doom music but greek
that is actually not far from how Darren Korb the composer describes it!
devout terrace
Doom metal and metal from doom are very different things
rose fox
Funny part is I actually found someone who remixed some songs from Hades to make it sound even more like Doom.
reef zodiac
I saw someone who made the Hades leitmotif sound like Bloodborne music it was sick
rose fox
Yeah, I'm definitely looking that up later
reef zodiac
cyan jolt
high island
high island
Probably. There are steps to recover your save in #h1-tech-fixes if necessary.
south sapphire
How many rooms do u have to clear to get to the first boss
zenith skiff
depends on how much you do in styx i think
high island
14 > 24 > 36 are the first three bosses.
lone kernel
unless you take a chaos or erebus right before the endshop. more for myself than anything
feral belfry
Do you guys ever farm for darkness? I figured you'd unlock a lot naturally but end game mirror stats plux nyxs missions plus dark foresite is taking forever
seems like a few farm runs might be needed
feral belfry
dang, I've been trying to get 3k darkness for like a week, from "just playing:
gray apex
What are you trying to do exactly?
Just try to go fast
I dont really try to farm darkness, but back when I did sub8 on some weapons I ended up getting like 4k-5k darkness in a day just from finishing runs
calm zenith
You can farm darkness
Go for chaos and poseidon
Go for their darkness and gems boons
Make sure it's not fresh heat
Eg you get darkness from dad
You can I think get like 1k darkness from that alone
high island
A lot more than that in one run, but yeah. But if you're winning your runs without your mirror maxed, you can just keep going for bounties and get Darkness naturally.
Up to you really.
feral belfry
What are you trying to do exactly?
I want my mirror maxed before I start pushing for super high heat. I suppose I could just do it anyway for practice
high island
I've never farmed for Darkness specifically.
feral belfry
Or I guess I could do speedruns where i get more from beating lower heat
calm zenith
You wont get your mirror maxed tbh
Yeah
Your mirror will take months of play to max
Like 100 hours I want to say
Takes a while. You don't need both sides.
Just do the best parts now
reef zodiac
dang, I've been trying to get 3k darkness for like a week, from "just playing:
Just run at a lower heat and get ocean’s bounty. Easy 300+ Darkness just from Hades.
high island
If I remember right, I had the Malphon high heat WR before I had one side of the mirror maxed.
It's certainly not required for pushing into high heat.
You'll probably get a lot of Darkness naturally just practicing at higher heats.
reef zodiac
It doesn’t take that long to max your mirror. I’ve been playing on my new file for a week and I’m only two rerolls away from having everything I need maxed. Although I guess that’s still 5K darkness.
But I also have done a lot of runs for bounties when I would have gotten way more from running at 0 heat
high island
It doesn’t take that long to max your mirror. I’ve been playing on my new file f...
You also clear a whole lot faster than the average player lol.
reef zodiac
That’s true
pastel sleet
Heya guys! Could someone help me out with a modding problem?
high island
Modding server is pinned in #self-promotion.
pastel sleet
can't find
high island
pastel sleet
Thank You! ❤️
feral belfry
Yeah
I want to max the optimal mirror points for high heat I should say, and fill out the rest over time. Need those re-rolls
high island
How high are we talking?
chrome wharf
whatever you do, don't spend on Olympian Favor unless you want to dabble in randomized
feral belfry
Yeah I've skipped that
feral belfry
How high are we talking?
heat? 30s. I don't see myself going into 40s, but I think it would be cool to get 32 on every weapon and sub 10 clears. Probably retire after that haha
feral belfry
I did 1 farm run for fun, got 1k darkness from hades. Probably good enough for now
versed mason
also respec your mirror with a key and only get the good stuff
that's what I did and i have all the necessary mirror things for speed maxed
feral belfry
also respec your mirror with a key and only get the good stuff
good call, just did that. I had made some bad investments
somber wasp
Does a legendary fish count for denizens of the deep prophecy? It says at least one "very rare" which seems like strange wording
lone kernel
Does a legendary fish count for denizens of the deep prophecy? It says at least ...
yes
real wadi
Yooo
I beat charon on tartarus
i don't know why i did that
I also forgot to use my companion
so i lost a dd
lone kernel
i don't know why i did that
i wouldn't count on it as a reliable strategy, but good luck have fun and try not to die!
real wadi
Thanks
Yeah it's far from optimal
But i think it's a fun challenge from time to time
gray apex
I have no idea what flayed is
twin thistle
guessing take damage during special
and that gilga dash special doesnt count as a special so no ouchie ouch
actually think i heard dashing flight with shield special has a similar interaction
signal aspen
dash specials (dash upper and dashing flight)
GET chaos special buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos special curses
DO get chaos dash strike buffs
DO NOT take damage from chaos attack curses
GET hunter dash buffs
rain canopy
and that gilga dash special doesnt count as a special so no ouchie ouch
pretty cool
upbeat kiln
do chaos special boons affect maimed damage?
like the damage it does when it runs out
gray apex
do chaos special boons affect maimed damage?
They don’t
charred hemlock
you can also stack it with doom and they get double bursts of damage 🙂
upbeat kiln
kinda hate doom tho
charred hemlock
you wont with merciful end with gilgamesh you will reck enemies and bosses when you dash deflect and attack with doom
upbeat kiln
i mean yeah but like its easier to just use aphrodite and priviliged status
reef zodiac
What does affect Maim damage?
I assume global damage affects it, but I’m not 100% sure. Other than global damage, nothing.
last veldt
Yeah that's what I suspected
upbeat kiln
distant memory maybe?
charred hemlock
except you can multi damocles them
last veldt
I saw it go up for family favourites for example.
reef zodiac
distant memory maybe?
No
upbeat kiln
dang
mint coral
No <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i mean is global dmg no? but yeah why use it anyways lol
upbeat kiln
probably
mint coral
i mean is global dmg no? but yeah why use it anyways lol
says the one that was his default pick during a lot of my early experience against dad
last veldt
Doubt it
upbeat kiln
im on a run rn so i cant test it
last veldt
Would be funny if it did work
reef zodiac
Would it?
mint coral
i can test rn lol
upbeat kiln
please do
reef zodiac
Very far
upbeat kiln
full bow charge far?
reef zodiac
Well, ok a bit less far than I thought. But still kinda far
reef zodiac
full bow charge far?
A bit less
mint coral
seems like it doesnt lol
reef zodiac
seems like it doesnt lol
Figured
mint coral
gonna assume is the same as summons
reef zodiac
I wonder if global damage does
last veldt
It triggers at about 80% of the full bow range
mint coral
you need the "enemies suffer more dmg" instead of normal global dmg
which makes sense considering rending claws works?
signal aspen
So sweet surrender
Probably
mint coral
bad influence too no?
gray apex
And targetting system
jaunty bay
my disliking for Theseus and the bull has gotten worse since i can never slay them
reef zodiac
Maim? Wait no
gray apex
signal aspen
And targetting system
On gilg
mint coral
bad influence too no?
nvm
upbeat kiln
imagine there was a legendary boon that just like amplified every status curse
mint coral
technically Priviliged status
gray apex
upbeat kiln
damn u rite
mint coral
outside of exposed/mark ig
calm zenith
gilgamesh is just funny unbalanced with maim. its so bad. hate it because i love the core weapon
its concept
upbeat kiln
thats why i love demeter fists
calm zenith
im not great with demeter
i dont have the combo for it down
i still use it but it takes me a bit too much active thinking to maintain
reef zodiac
gilgamesh is just funny unbalanced with maim. its so bad. hate it because i love...
Yeah maim is insanely bad, although apparently your name would disagree
upbeat kiln
dash into dash into dash into dash into dash into dash into special, repeat
mint coral
kinda forgot Skelly can dupe bloodstones lol on the backyard
upbeat kiln
demeter
reef zodiac
Why are you using special and not attack with Dem
reef zodiac
kinda forgot Skelly can dupe bloodstones lol on the backyard
Yeah it’s fun
upbeat kiln
Why are you using special and not attack with Dem
¿¿¿
calm zenith
its dash strikes into the flurry special
upbeat kiln
yea that
reef zodiac
?
upbeat kiln
like i just feel like even at its best it deals just so little damage
why not just go with rama or idk zagreus
mint coral
what build have you done with it?
abstract ginkgo
upbeat kiln
aprho special, demeter attack, artemis whatevers
gray apex
Go for Artemis on the Special instead
upbeat kiln
really?
gray apex
Chiron can benefit a lot from the crits due to multiple arrows with each of them having a chance to crit
Aphro on your attack and get Heartrend to make crits stronger on weak enemies
With a lucky chaos and some good supporting boons this can have boss melting potential
You can also go for Low Tolerance / Sea Storm builds
mint coral
C.volley + epic swift flourish is fun
upbeat kiln
i still feel like thats too much effort
mint coral
just realized C.volley can stand for charged and concentrated oops
upbeat kiln
like you special and attack with rama and sometimes deal more damage
gray apex
Well I don’t think 2 gods and a duo is a lot of effort really
The aspect wont play itself
reef zodiac
i still feel like thats too much effort
Picking up hammers is “too much effort”?
gray apex
But if you build it properly and give it a few tries you’ll see where it’s good and bad
Aphro special is quite subpar especially without rarity
reef zodiac
Just start Artemis special and pick up hammers and look for the good ones. At low heat that’s enough to shred everything.
And is actually very very low effort
Literally one of the easiest ways to win
I did it for my early clears
gray apex
I had my first 15-20 clears with Heartrend Chiron
reef zodiac
I didn’t even use heartrend
upbeat kiln
i mean, more effort than rama
reef zodiac
God no
Not gameplay wise at least
Chiron is one of if not the easiest most chill aspects to play (at low heat)
gray apex
Rama is harder to play, but you have massive base damage so yea you just need a good attack boon and a flat dmg special and you’re done
Bows also scale massively from hammers
upbeat kiln
is rama harder to play?
reef zodiac
Infinitely
upbeat kiln
i really do find other bows harder, at least for me
reef zodiac
Rama is top 3 hardest aspects to play. Chiron is imo the #1 easiest
mint coral
chiron copypasta incoming
reef zodiac
There’s a reason so many new players gravitate toward Chiron and use it for their first clears. It’s super easy, safe, and has decent damage as long as you use one of the two good special boons.
upbeat kiln
i dont know why i find it easier then
i guess it feels better to stand still knowing the massive burst of damage im about to do
devout terrace
~~chiron copypasta incoming~~
Chiron prodigy? Are you kidding me? The weapon has auto-aim on it, in a game which already has the most oppressive auto aim in the entire gaming industry (I'm a lifelong gamer, real games, none of that Nintendo stuff btw so I know what I'm talking about). It's like for babies that are born with no arms with how much just does damage for you. I'm pretty sure I could hand a controller to an eel and it could work its way to a 32 heat clear with Chiron. It literally takes negative skill to use this weapon. Supergiant clearly put it in to cater to the talentless casuals of the gaming world who sit and grovel at the feet of real gamers. I think it should be limited to God Mode, if not removed from the game altogether. It's a stain on the "high" heat community. "High" in quotes because if you use Chiron, go ahead and subtract 40 heat from the number on your screen, you deserve it.
Saying you're a "Chiron prodigy" is like saying you reached the bottom of the waterslide first. It wasn't you doing the work.
narrow hemlock
that sure is some copypasta
gray apex
It’s one of the masterpieces
devout terrace
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
reef zodiac
No, she told you to farm 325,000 darkness
upbeat kiln
oh cool
dusky viper
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally al...
Is this the reddit post a couple months back?
I think they took speed running into consideration
raw herald
It was a boon ranking post
upbeat kiln
CHAMBER SEVEN CHARON FIGHT LESS GOO
gray apex
I think they took speed running into consideration
Checks out
raw herald
The context is that the boon ranking was done by very few people (me and op)
I gave it 9, op gave it 8, so it averaged 8.5
The only post in that series that got any traction was the summary
As a result, a lot of people were miffed at the ranking
Hence the copypasta
mint coral
oh yeah i remember those posts lol
real wadi
True
mint coral
carries dreams
upbeat kiln
hell yeah chain shot on rama
calm zenith
I need to remember to Bouldy sooner in tartarus
Usually you dont need it but
I was like 5 obols short of Hermes and Artemis
reef zodiac
I read that and I was so confused for a second because I literally forgot bouldy was a companion
finite lodge
high island
But you call everything bad that you don't think is top tier.
upbeat kiln
chamber eleven charon fight less goooo
high island
Good luck! 
reef zodiac
The thing about companions is that (unless you’re like Nyaa and you use Dusa for EM4) they are not conditional. If one companion is better, then there is no reason to ever use the others if you want something optimal. There are a few exceptions, but generally I just see no reason to ever use anything but Meg.
Obv if you don’t care about optimal and just want to use whatever you want, then don’t let me stop you
But that doesn’t change what’s good and what’s not
upbeat kiln
i use than a tose because i like big numbers
reef zodiac
Tose?
high island
Thanatos.
high island
For you it's optimal = good; everything else = bad.
upbeat kiln
i like him because big reliable on asterius and the other guy
high island
Which is fine if that's how you view things, but it's subjective.
zenith skiff
just to check, you get these companions with ambrosia, right?
upbeat kiln
yep
zenith skiff
funky
upbeat kiln
also from the power of friendship
zenith skiff
yes!!
reef zodiac
For you it's optimal = good; everything else = bad.
For me, “good” literally means “optimal”. If I say something is good, that means I think it’s optimal.
high island
Precisely.
reef zodiac
If something isn’t optimal, then it isn’t good in my opinion. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be used, just that it’s not particularly powerful.
zenith skiff
are there any things that are objectively optimal or does it depend on playstyle? I swear I don’t mean to be rude I’m just wondering
reef zodiac
Depends on your goal
If you’re trying to go as fast as possible, then there are definitely things that are objectively faster than others.
If you want more damage, there are options that do objectively more damage than others. But often it’s not quite that simple
upbeat kiln
i mean everything can be good in the right situation, but thats sort of a weak argument in any discussion
zenith skiff
true
reef zodiac
Not everything can be “good” in the right situation though.
When is peer pressure good?
zenith skiff
when you’re peer pressuring friends to take care of themselves or do other positive things
reef zodiac
Yes I know it can glitch causing the numbers to be super high because the game counts it as non-player damage. Still bad even then.
zenith skiff
although that may not strictly be peer pressure
high island
When is peer pressure good?
There was at least one blind player who relied a lot on DOT who liked it a lot.
reef zodiac
when you’re peer pressuring friends to take care of themselves or do other posit...
The boon
reef zodiac
There was at least one blind player who relied a lot on DOT who liked it a lot.
I can’t really say you’re wrong but I also don’t know if you’re right
So I guess I’ll give it to you
high island
I don't know if it was actually as helpful as they thought, I just know they said they liked it.
upbeat kiln
whats DOT i forgor
high island
Anyway, even for something like DPS it's not always so very simple. Like, one build might have better DPS on average while another has better DPS potential.
Damage over time.
reef zodiac
Anyway, even for something like DPS it's not always so very simple. Like, one bu...
Yeah exactly
upbeat kiln
because a build can deal a burst of damage and then have to wait a bit to do the hurst again
burst*
reef zodiac
What?
No that’s not what she means
I don’t think that’s a thing unless you mean calls
versed mason
dps potential as in some builds you get to a point where your build is capped from easily getting more dps reliability
so they have less potential
damage potential*
i think
reef zodiac
Or builds like merciful end which start with bad damage but can get a very strong build together that have incredible DPS
high island
because a build can deal a burst of damage and then have to wait a bit to do the...
It's a good point. If you have build A that does 600 damage in a burst and then every 10 seconds and build B that does 60 damage every 1 second, the theoretical DPS on an enemy with infinite health is identical: 60 DPS. But if the enemy has 600 health, A would presumably do 600 DPS or more while B would still do only 60 DPS. So you need to take enemy health and such into account when gauging DPS. But we have DPS meters available, so we can see the actual DPS of different builds.
Although the best metric is simply clear times.
reef zodiac
What build does a lot of damage in a burst and then little/no damage in between bursts? I literally cannot think of anything but maybe I’m just forgetting
Hunting blades maybe?
Kinda?
reef zodiac
Only trippy flare Beo is like that
high island
The others are, too.
reef zodiac
Passion or Flood flare Beo hits with every cast every one/two seconds
high island
And not a lot inbetween.
The burst damage is just so high that it doesn't matter really.
reef zodiac
Sure but that’s pretty fast
high island
And the downtime is short.
high island
Hera on bosses without Quick Reload.
upbeat kiln
demeter¿¿¿¿
reef zodiac
What’s the deal with high heat Hera btw? Why does 32 heat Hera feel like easy mode and 40 heat Hera feel like the worst aspect in the game?
reef zodiac
demeter¿¿¿¿
Eh, kinda?
Maybe with explosive upper, a good special boon, and no jolted.
high island
It's not "deceptive", it's just simply that Beowulf when you can phase bosses in one Dragon-Rush has waaay higher actual DPS in that boss fight than you would get on an enemy with infinite HP, for example.
It's not like burst or sustained damage always has an advantage, just depends on factors like that.
reef zodiac
Oh, yeah that makes sense
high island
Matters more for classical RPGs that give you a DPS number than Hades, anyway.
high island
demeter¿¿¿¿
Top Demeter Aspect builds would be closer to sustained damage with constant Merciful End procs than burst damage.
The Special isn't such a big factor anymore at that point.
hollow laurel
if i beat a boss then die do i have to do the boss again or is there a way to respawn at the next area
high island
"ZAP" would still have those burst damage spikes from the Dash-Upper.
high island
if i beat a boss then die do i have to do the boss again or is there a way to re...
Nope, gotta go again.
reef zodiac
if i beat a boss then die do i have to do the boss again or is there a way to re...
It’s a roguelike
high island
That's the gameplay loop.
But you can get stronger inbetween runs by upgrading your mirror and stuff.
hollow laurel
whats the best weapon for a beginner i got them all unlocked
drifting elbow
cerberus is the best character in hades
high island
So try to focus on permanent upgrades like that for now and just learning the game until you're stronger.
high island
whats the best weapon for a beginner i got them all unlocked
Probably not the sword, but mostly just whatever is the most intuitive for you.
hollow laurel
i like flurry shot bow
drifting elbow
also i only just now noticed omg some of the shades in the theseus/asterius battle are cheering for me i have fans guys c:
high island
also i only just now noticed omg some of the shades in the theseus/asterius batt...
One shade.
drifting elbow
yeah but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
the shades that dont cheer for me dont actually count
they, in fact, dont exist at all
high island
i like flurry shot bow
There's a newbie build guide written by a most talented, wonderful, breathtaking player that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players. Might help you get started with things.
drifting elbow
be quiet with ur logic and brain cells
hollow laurel
There's a newbie build guide written by a most talented, wonderful, breathtaking...
the guy that wrote it sounds amazing wonder who it is
chrome reef
be quiet with ur logic and brain cells
No
upbeat kiln
[DATA EXPUNGED] wrote it
drifting elbow
honestly hades is the best game
what other game has such intense dog petting gameplay
reef zodiac
the shades that dont cheer for me dont actually count
There’s still only one fan though
drifting elbow
There’s still only one fan though
D:<
high island
the guy that wrote it sounds amazing wonder who it is
Definitely not a guy. 
hollow laurel
Definitely not a guy. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
guy can be gender-neutral 🤷
well more guys plural can be
high island
It's not.
reef zodiac
Not this again
drifting elbow
guy isnt really gender neutral
hollow laurel
guys plural is but yeah guy isnt
upbeat kiln
im making a tierlist of every game ever that has a dog, there will be 2 tiers, you can pet da dog, and you cant, hades has some of the most intense, fast paced, high action dog petting ive ever seen in a rogelite, s tier
drifting elbow
hades is about you bullying ur dad, breaking into his home, and stealing everything he owns, before shanking him with SPEAR BEST WEAPON, while also having the highest intensity dog petting in any game yet
a masterpiece
upbeat kiln
big fork
drifting elbow
spears are just so satisfying to use in most games that have them
drifting elbow
idk why but something about wielding the giant death fork to excise the sinners from my presence is just amazing
zenith skiff
yes
also if you yeet it then immediately bring it back you always get backstab damage
zenith skiff
yes
zenith skiff
yes
high island
Try Tidal Dash with lots of poms on it and go for Dash-Strikes.
reef zodiac
Try an exact boon-for-boon copy of the Achilles modded anyheat world record
drifting elbow
kb builds are hilarious
reef zodiac
KB?
drifting elbow
knockback
reef zodiac
is that even a thing
drifting elbow
u just whap a nerd and they get slammed 14 times into the walls and instantly die
reef zodiac
so you just mean breaking wave?
high island
It's less about the knockback and more about the damage from Tidal Dash.
drifting elbow
but also they suck on bosses ):
high island
Although the wall-slams certainly help.
drifting elbow
tidal dash has pretty good dmg yeah
reef zodiac
Knockback is generally more of a downside than an upside, with some exceptions
high island
Best damage of any Dash, and incredibly good pom scaling, too.
hollow laurel
does the game autosave
drifting elbow
but if im going to use knockback boons im going to get full mileage out of them
lone kernel
but if im going to use knockback boons im going to get full mileage out of them
Tidal Dash by itself is like 3/4 of that mileage
reef zodiac
I don’t know if I agree with you
For a lot of weapons, the knockback on tidal dash is more of a downside
drifting elbow
im not saying its optimal
drifting elbow
but also its way more fun
drifting elbow
i never tried that
versed mason
eris gaming or on fists tidal dash is usually a safe bet
high island
i never tried that
It's not very good. 
upbeat kiln
especially demeter
high island
Just very memey.
drifting elbow
yeah but also memey > good
reef zodiac
thats why i use aphro dash
Mmm, yes but the AOE is much smaller and the damage is like almost half
drifting elbow
funni > actually useful
chrome reef
funni > actually useful
Why not both
drifting elbow
well obviously i will take both if i can
reef zodiac
well obviously i will take both if i can
Trippy Flare Beowulf
drifting elbow
but alas i cant always be so lucky ):
versed mason
the worse something is, usually the funnier it is, but not always, sometimes it's so bad it hurts to play
reef zodiac
Trippy Flare Beowulf is both
high island
fists are pog, very manly weapon
Is that why the most famous Malphon main during Early Access was a woman?
Learn something new every day.
reef zodiac
Trippy Flare Beo is definitely my favorite fun-fun build in the game.
reef zodiac
Yes, chamber 1. That’s literally the point of the build. In order to run trippy flare Beo, you need trippy flare.
versed mason
but alas i cant always be so lucky ):
grab keepsake -> trippy flare
there we go
correct reply
reef zodiac
Then put poms on trippy flare and grab mirage shot
high island
25% chance to not get Trippy Flare if you don't have rerolls yet.
reef zodiac
Did you all know that trippy flare poms are bugged?
reef zodiac
You’re welcome
high island
m right here.
upbeat kiln
y'ain't
versed mason
hmmm
high island
But you're addressing us all when you already know I know.
versed mason
so hunter flare can crit im assuming
upbeat kiln
ayo?
reef zodiac
But you're addressing us all when you already know I know. <:dusa:52224877140954...
I can’t win
high island
so hunter flare can crit im assuming
No, that's a myth.
reef zodiac
so hunter flare can crit im assuming
Yes. But not often
reef zodiac
And it’s also insanely bad in every way. Don’t use Hunter flare
upbeat kiln
rama incredible
reef zodiac
Hunter flare isn’t even interesting. It’s just bad.
versed mason
Hunter flare isn’t even interesting. It’s just bad.
damn
lone kernel
especially with chain shot
reef zodiac
And yet somehow it’s only the 3rd worst flare
lone kernel
THUNDER FLARE STONKS
upbeat kiln
artemis? hunter flare? man you mustve hit your head pretty bad
lone kernel
just gotta get doublestrike
high island
artemis? hunter flare? man you mustve hit your head pretty bad
There is literally no boon with that name.
lone kernel
wouldn't shock me if this was nyaa being pedantic, but since at the expense of pancake rat, its all good lol
versed mason
bad info from Google drive
reef zodiac
There is literally no boon with that name.
Sorry, Hunters flare
high island
There's no Hunters Flare, either.
reef zodiac
Hunter*’s* flare
lone kernel
if she wants you to be croc food youre gonna be croc food buddy
reef zodiac
high island
There's no Hunter's flare, either.
lone kernel
reef zodiac
There's no Hunter's flare, either.
I can’t tell if you’re nitpicking on the fact that I don’t capitalize the F or if you’re joking
lone kernel
upbeat kiln
wait does the pact of punishment thing that makes you sell boons
does it give you money
or do you have to trash em
lone kernel
does it give you money
yeah, you get paid
high island
Not necessarily.
lone kernel
50ish for common 100 for rare 150 for epic 430 for duo/legendary
unless u have chaos curse
upbeat kiln
ik chaos
reef zodiac
does it give you money
It just makes you sell one to move on
upbeat kiln
gotta love when i get hoardin slash on a r t u r o
lone kernel
arturo kek
high island
but close enough
You can tell the sacred crocodiles later that you were "close enough" to not being fed to them.
lone kernel
You can tell the sacred crocodiles later that you were "close enough" to not bei...
you get used to it the fifteenth time
upbeat kiln
best build for a r t u r o ?
high island
Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smair.
reef zodiac
Cursed slash Zeus attack
high island
Cursed slash Zeus attack
Should we call an ambulance?
reef zodiac
upbeat kiln
my best run was sysiphus keepsake, aphro special, demeter dash (big hitbox dont @ me) and hoarding slash
reef zodiac
Why shackle when you could use boons
upbeat kiln
i gotta get an epic at least to match shackle
lone kernel
chad shackle
reef zodiac
And why hoarding slash for an extra 2 damage on your 200+ damage swings
lone kernel
imagine using boons
reef zodiac
i gotta get an epic at least to match shackle
But poms
lone kernel
shackle on special only rama
high island
my best run was sysiphus keepsake, aphro special, demeter dash (big hitbox dont ...
Can you really call it a hitbox when it does like no damage?
lone kernel
pog
upbeat kiln
imagine using boons
thats the thing, 2000 gold
reef zodiac
Wrong reply again
upbeat kiln
danm it
upbeat kiln
hangon i think i put those runs on victoey boasting
reef zodiac
Why have 2000 gold and an extra 100 damage when you could have so so many boons and poms and hearts to do so so much more
high island
Shackle is alright on Excalibur, but Heartbreak Strike gives you damage, Weak, and potential for Smair right from the start.
lone kernel
based
upbeat kiln
yeah on one befrey jezos run i had like 3500 gold
reef zodiac
Why
upbeat kiln
also shadow slash, and heroic swift strrike