h1-discussion

[astral walrus]

also easy to use really

[serene estuary]

True, but I personally love using the aspect of Beowulf the most

[twin thistle]

also big dps

[astral walrus]

harder to use than eris i think, since you depend on your bloodstones you can't just almost mindlessly mash the buttons, the way you can do with eris

[serene estuary]

Especially with Aries, Dionysus, Demeter, Aphrodite and Athena in the main slots

That's true, but I go for nothing but dash attacks as is so

[astral walrus]

no poseidon, really?

[serene estuary]

Nope

Not even for the call

Cause that's for Demeter

[raw herald]

Poseidon and Artemis are by far the best gods on Beowulf

Because of mirage shot

[twin thistle]

^

[astral walrus]

but yes to slicing flare

[twin thistle]

mirage shot is double damage

[serene estuary]

I didn't find it helpful for me in how I wanted to go about it

I went for more of a burst damage when I struck and it worked

[twin thistle]

thats flood flare tho

[mint coral]

mirage shot is exactly that

[astral walrus]

slicing flare is damage overtime, come on\

[serene estuary]

Eh, I found what I did more enjoyable for me 🤷‍♀️

[mint coral]

if you use slicing flare dont bother with getting ares legendary btw

is bugged and adds 0 dmg

[serene estuary]

Ive barely ever gotten it

[twin thistle]

why do you like icy flare though

aint it just lower damage lower aoe flood flare

[astral walrus]

icy flare is still better than slicing flare, it has aoe almost as good as flood flare

[high island]

There is no Icy Flare.

[astral walrus]

but pom scaling sucks yeah

[serene estuary]

I just find Demeter more fun to use then Poseidon a lot of the time

[high island]

Icy Flare, Thunder Flare, Slicing Flare, and Phalanx Flare don't exist.

[astral walrus]

what about Hunter's Flare?

[gray apex]

There is only 3 casts for beowulf

[strong ridge]

area flare is real

[serene estuary]

I usually try to go for like ice win and or stubborn roots a lot of the time when I use Beowulf

[whole comet]

hmmm i think phalan deflect could occasionally good

[strong ridge]

o it’s a bit i getit

[high island]

Hunter's Flare is just a worse Passion Flare or Flood Flare.

[strong ridge]

hunter is ok but less consistent

[serene estuary]

I never skip on Athena's dash tho 🏃

[astral walrus]

tidal dash is better

[mint coral]

i just dont pick a dash on beo

[high island]

That's just the problem. They have nothing going for them. They're just worse versions of those two.

[astral walrus]

if we're talking about beo in particular, tidal dash would be the most useful pick

[whole comet]

if u charge into those armored sword or greatsword projectile, normally u still would take dmg

[strong ridge]

the only cool thing abt slicing flare is that it is absolutely massive

but it still suck

[high island]

You usually wouldn't want Tidal Dash on Beowulf unless you have Charged Shot.

It knocks enemies out of range of your Dragon Rush. Hurts DPS.

[astral walrus]

oh yeah, that's right, knockback effect

[twin thistle]

just dont get a dash so you dont get a pom stolen from your cast

[astral walrus]

didn't think about it

[high island]

You're not lying.

[strong ridge]

or use dash 4 duo prime

[serene estuary]

I just personally don't like knock back, ik it has an absolutely incredible dps with knocking enemies into walls, but I just don't enjoy it as much as like decay with Demeter or afflicting doom repeatedly

[twin thistle]

floodflare doesnt knockback though it just oneshots everything. cant knockback if theyre ded

[mint coral]

just get snow burst tho

[twin thistle]

also like

you dont even care about the knockback dps

[astral walrus]

how do you deal with styx tunnels?

[whole comet]

lol if enemies have BP2 HP, u prolly can't 😦

[twin thistle]

other than styx

[strong ridge]

slash

[astral walrus]

they are so much easier with poseidon

[high island]

You can.

[strong ridge]

did you mean

CP2

[twin thistle]

just load 2 casts instead of 1

[whole comet]

at least, in some situation enemies seem to get knock out of range

[serene estuary]

Idek how I survive the satyrs half the time

[strong ridge]

there’s an audio cue

before poison

[gray apex]

Imagine playing with sounds on

[serene estuary]

But I just dash around and they hit themselves with their own poison since I have Athena's dash and I just slap em around til they die

[strong ridge]

muhmersion

[astral walrus]

ahahah, that's good

[whole comet]

well i have my own music or watching other videos while playing, so can't focus on those audio lol

[high island]

I don't need to survive the Satyrs. The Satyrs need to survive me.

[serene estuary]

^

[whole comet]

so yeah, rely on audio cue? Xd

[strong ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

[high island]

You don't have to turn of all game audio, just the music.

[serene estuary]

I just wanted to get too the 10th fight so i used the same ish build with the adament rail

Since the story got me wanting more

[astral walrus]

now that's the attitude you want to have

and you can surely get it with poseidon on your side

those poor satyrs

[astral walrus]

and what build was that?

[whole comet]

lol if u pity them, u could use RI4 CP2

then u might not survive them, or make it to them easily

[astral walrus]

cp2 would just make it longer to get to them, but what is RI

[whole comet]

some mirrior upgrade will be off, and RI4 = no mirror

[astral walrus]

ah, that's right

i never use it

[serene estuary]

Lightning strike
Deadly Flourish
Crystal beam
Athena dash
Zeus aid
Crystal Clarity
Lighting rod
Stubborn roots
Static discharge
And side hustle on the rail

[whole comet]

and if u make it to Styx

u will not pity the Satyrs that much XD

[serene estuary]

I don't usually use Artemis but I couldn't get any good dyonisus boons early

Rn I'm on heat 6 so

Not that difficult but meh

[astral walrus]

and i'm on another boonless run

this time with hestia

classic 9 heat

[high island]

Get Lightning Strike, Static Discharge, and Tidal Dash on Exagryph. With any decent % Special.

[astral walrus]

AAA special

[serene estuary]

Not a single Poseidon Boon this run

[astral walrus]

but Athena is underwhelming really

[serene estuary]

I don't use any of her other boons tbh

[astral walrus]

aphro is the best i think, opens up smoldering air

[high island]

Divine Flourish, you mean, is underwhelming?

[astral walrus]

yes

[high island]

Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are optimal, yeah.

Divine Flourish is decent enough if it's high rarity.

[serene estuary]

Now there is only one question I have that doesn't have to do with builds

What do I need to do to get nyx and Hades hearts unlocked so I can keep giving them Nectar

:/

[high island]

You need to get the ending and then have a few more dialogues to unlock Hades's heart.

[astral walrus]

i'm sure it works with any aspect, but i'm trying to figure out Hestia in particular for now

after boonless run i want to do boonful run

[serene estuary]

I got the ending so I shouldn't be much longer I'm guessing

It*

[high island]

Probably not.

For Hestia, do Heartbreak Strike with either Tidal Dash or Hunter Dash. Then try to get a lot of Strike/Lunge boons from Master Chaos.

Good Special also doesn't hurt.

[astral walrus]

what about deadly strike?

[high island]

That works but you're doing poor damage 85% of the time. Heartbreak Strike is just more consistent.

I'd rather have Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish and get Heart Rend on that.

You can press Special and Reload at the same time on Exagryph. That lets you do a Special every other Reload on Hestia if you do Empowered Shots with no pause.

[astral walrus]

that's fair, i like consistency

also i like to have one of the prereqs to smoldering air right away

[high island]

Yeah, Smoldering Air is great on Hestia because you normally build god gauge very slowly on it.

[whole comet]

For Nyx, u gotta gift Chaos too, and once u unlock admin chamber, go in click everything (u have to do it twice at least I think and able to click the blood pool at the end of the room), then u should get a quest from Nyx

[twin thistle]

when you finally crit but its against a rat or an elysium soul

[high island]

100 damage in 10 hits will build more god gauge than 100 damage in one 1 hit. And Hestia does all its damage in single big hits.

[astral walrus]

ahah, yeah, i feel it

[serene estuary]

Ah ok, I should visit chaos more then lol

[whole comet]

so 3 things, Nyx/Chaos hearts and expire all admin click, then keep visiting them to expire their story dialogues and u should get it eventually

[serene estuary]

Ight cool, will work on that eventually thanks for the info

[astral walrus]

you should visit them more either way though

[serene estuary]

True, but I put them off sometimes unless the doors don't have anything I need or if I roll them and they still don't come up with something I could need

I just be putting chaos off more then I should but meh 🤷‍♀️

[astral walrus]

i usually don't reroll chaos unless i'm desperately trying to get +1 cast for dio build on beo

or if every one of the curses is awful

[serene estuary]

I don't reroll chaos when I go to them

I just take whatever seems good for me

Usually special damage increase or an extra bloodstone

That's like all I remember from chaos ngl

[high island]

You def wanna reroll for Strike/Lunge on Hestia.

Although Special damage is alright, too.

[astral walrus]

yeah of course

it just crossed my mind

i'm doing boonless run with hestia and i need to reroll chaos

also i was thinking whether or not it's worth it to run Olympian favor instead of dark foresight

[high island]

It's not.

[astral walrus]

on a boonless run that is

[high island]

Oh. Maybe.

Probably not.

Missing out on a lot of Centaur Hearts.

[astral walrus]

yeah, i figured as much

[whole comet]

darkforsight gives u coin pom hammer as well

[astral walrus]

no need for poms

[whole comet]

so i think it's fine to keep it

pom means no boon room

[high island]

Well, you're still getting the same number of hammers, and money isn't typically a problem in boonless runs.

[whole comet]

point is, i think dark foresight should still be fine

u certainly would have the coins to get blood/diamond 😄

[astral walrus]

i try to get no more than 3 boons in each region before styx and no boons at all in styx

and some of my boonless runs went awry because i did get boon in styx and there was no way to purge it

[high island]

Also there's a difference between boonless for the leaderboard and boonless for the unique dialogue/run clear message.

[whole comet]

lol the leaderboard is quite picky

[high island]

?

[astral walrus]

nah, i don't care about the leaderboard

[whole comet]

they believe if u pick an atk boon, u gotta not atk

or so i've heard

[high island]

"They"?

[whole comet]

at least, i'm sure someone in chat mentioned that

maybe i'm wrong on that

[high island]

That would be me and Tailesque.

[astral walrus]

why would you though, you have the shackle

[high island]

You may not benefit from any boon in your run, yes. That means you can't attack if you have an Attack boon.

[whole comet]

because u might use AP2

and got forced to pick atk/special/cast boon

[astral walrus]

oh

i'm definitely not ready for a high heat boonless run

[whole comet]

c? that's not what the in game requirement, just the community leaderboard requirement

[high island]

m somewhat confident we did boonless runs in the community before they added the dialogue and run clear message for that.

[twin thistle]

otherwise it would be perfectly legal to just do a normal run then purge everything in styx with a couple rerolls tbh

[high island]

Yeah.

[whole comet]

but that would not get u the 100% free message

[high island]

It would.

[twin thistle]

it would if you purge everything

[whole comet]

it would get u boon purger

[high island]

That doesn't have priority.

It picks one at random that you're eligible for.

[twin thistle]

it would make you eligible for boon purger

thats it

[astral walrus]

ain't that a cheesy way, haven't crossed my mind

[twin thistle]

thats why I mentioned it

[whole comet]

alright, then what if i got forced by AP2 and have shackle ?

[astral walrus]

i'm doing it fair and square, otherwise what's the point, even if just for myself

[high island]

You don't have to take AP2. That's on you.

[twin thistle]

you can just play by your own rules if you dont care about the leaderboard

[high island]

We've considered just simply subtracting any Heat from AP for the leaderboard if you take that, to discourage using AP in boonless runs because it just adds RNG, but we never made that official.

Still might. But it's not like people are lining up to do boonless runs anyway.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[whole comet]

i assume u do it also want to get the end-game message

[astral walrus]

it's not my first boonless run

i've done it before with nemesis

it was a lucky run too

got double edge + hoarding slash

and it's a boonless run, thus i was super rich by the time i reached dad

1500 coins or so

[twin thistle]

hoarding slash doesnt affect dash strikes im pretty sure

[devout terrace]

65% sure it does

[whole comet]

naturally hoarding slash kinda works well even with just atk

[devout terrace]

the ex nemesis wr has it im sure it does

and no d edge

[high island]

Yeah, it works on Dash-Strikes.

[twin thistle]

huh guess just thought same as cursed

[whole comet]

how much heat do u plan to do?

[astral walrus]

on a boonless run?

[whole comet]

the next one u plan to

[astral walrus]

the next boonless run?

[devout terrace]

[whole comet]

oh i thought u wanna do one since u asked Olypmpian favor vs dark foresight

[astral walrus]

maybe if i die with hestia

i'll try again

and will try olympian favor then

[whole comet]

how much heat? just curious

[astral walrus]

9, classic

just because i'm used to it

[whole comet]

ic

[astral walrus]

i don't want to turn down the heat and then suffer because everything is so slow

faster enemies make me faster as well

i don't know, it just works

without any heat i can barely do sub 20

and with 20 heat i do sub 15

amazing really

[mint coral]

FO makes enemies spawn faster and BP to some extent makes faster rooms (assuming no cursed buffs)

[whole comet]

btw, did FO2 also make boss immune go down faster?

[high island]

Maybe.

[astral walrus]

yeah, i believe so

[devout terrace]

it does

[astral walrus]

i remember when i started on a fresh file and there was no fo of course

enemies seemed so slow

change of pace can be hard

[whole comet]

FO2 BP2 speed hp greatshield

or maybe the longspear

[serene estuary]

So I just got the aspect of Lucifer for exagryph and idk how to feel about a literal laser

[astral walrus]

it's powerful, that's for sure

especially with triple bomb

[serene estuary]

It looks like it, but I'm probably not gonna use it much

[astral walrus]

i didn't play it much too, i don't like it's aesthetics

[devout terrace]

its real good

[astral walrus]

seems stupid

i mean come on

[devout terrace]

its used like eris

mostly

[astral walrus]

a freaking laser beam

[devout terrace]

zeus attack, nice special, tidal dash

[serene estuary]

Yea the aesthetics don't click with me

[astral walrus]

but on the other hand you have something like guan yu and chaos shield, which i simply adore for it's visual design

but as a weapons they kinda suck, you know

[serene estuary]

I tried Guan yu

Nothing but regret

[astral walrus]

also i love the fact that Chaos themselves are commenting on you sometimes when you use the chaos shield

[serene estuary]

Never have I ever had asphodel destroy me so bad 🤦🏻‍♂️

I don't think I got that interaction yet

[astral walrus]

the only reason i would ever use the chaos shield really

[serene estuary]

I find zeus' shield kinda boring personally

[astral walrus]

it's certainly difficult to master, for a beginner even more so

i mean come on, you have -50% health and you can't avoid being hit

it's only natural that you die with it

[serene estuary]

I only started like 3 weeks ago lol so yea still noobish but at least I can beat it consistently

I think rn with this beo run I'm on like 104 or 105

[astral walrus]

you basically let your blitz disc do all the work for you, but it's not that easy

zeus shield is not easy to use properly i think

[astral walrus]

attempt?

[serene estuary]

Yea

Attempts

[astral walrus]

that's a lot assuming you didn't reset

[serene estuary]

I never reset

[astral walrus]

i hate resetting myself

[serene estuary]

If I die I die

[astral walrus]

i usually do so to get flurry jab on achilles

and it takes a ton of resets damn why am i so unlucky

[serene estuary]

I just go with whatever I get pretty much

[astral walrus]

there are always mods, i know

but it doesn't feel right

i have tried them actually

[serene estuary]

Yea nah I'm on switch so no mods for me

But I wouldn't mod any games tbf

[astral walrus]

ello's starting boon selector

ello's reroll everything

that one was actually fun

allows you to reroll hammers, so no more resetting for flurry jab

[serene estuary]

Lol that does sound useful

[astral walrus]

yeah, imagine that

it feels very much like cheating though

and it is

thus i didn't use for very long

did one very juicy run and deleted it

[serene estuary]

Sounds about right. Imma just play it no mods or anything, even if I get hammer upgrades that aren't any good I'll still take them and hope that Charons shop in Styx will let me get 2 more for one

It's helped before for when I first tried Gilgamesh

[astral walrus]

anvil of fates, right

[serene estuary]

Always forget it's name

Rarely ever see it so

[astral walrus]

i was lucky with it only once i believe

got rocket bomb + cluster bomb lol

[astral walrus]

so how do you like gilgamesh?

[lone kernel]

somebody pick their favorite meme build

i need some inspiration ive got analysis paralysis

[astral walrus]

slicing flare on beo

[strong ridge]

smoldering gilga

[high island]

Have you done Tempest Strike Guan Yu spin builds yet?

[serene estuary]

Love it. I just enjoy the entire line up for malphon overall

[astral walrus]

ahaha, someone does like gilgamesh after all

[strong ridge]

it’s bad

like real bad

but dash go brrr

[serene estuary]

🤷‍♀️

I enjoy it and have no regrets at all

[strong ridge]

i mean i like it too
but opinion doesn’t change fact lol

[astral walrus]

what do you build on it?

[strong ridge]

ME
smolder

[astral walrus]

well ME is a classic for any fist

[lone kernel]

Nope. Yolo?

[high island]

It's surprisingly effective. You should try it.

[astral walrus]

maybe i should too

[lone kernel]

will do

[astral walrus]

i really want guan yu to be my favorite spear

if i can play it and NOT die, then i'm good at the game

i want to feel like that

[strong ridge]

it’s really not so awful maxed out
but it doesn’t provide me with that power trip yk

[serene estuary]

Honestly I go for mainly Ares, Zeus and Artemis for hunting blades and vicious cycles

Or put trippy shot and hope I get curse of nausea

[strong ridge]

2 tips 64 heat DOESNT want u to know

[calm zenith]

My favorite meme build is Sea Storm Rama special only

[astral walrus]

ahahah

[astral walrus]

on gilgamesh? does it work well?

[strong ridge]

dmg == true

[serene estuary]

Too me it did

Haven't done a gilga run in a bit

[lone kernel]

Yo I forgot GY spin heals

[strong ridge]

forget again

[astral walrus]

ahahal, well yeah, that's the reason why you'd put tempest strike on it

heals better i guess

[strong ridge]

makes fodder follow spin

[high island]

No, it keeps knocking enemies out of your spin.

[astral walrus]

really? what the hell then

[high island]

It actually does a ridiculous amount of knockback lol.

[strong ridge]

duality of wording

[astral walrus]

pair it with second wave and it goes boom?

[high island]

You'd wanted Razor Shoals etc. first.

And you can spin enemies towards the walls to keep the spin on them.

[strong ridge]

slap style

[high island]

But just pretty much get as many Poseidon t2 boons as you can lol.

It's also pretty much the safest spin build you can get after Divine Strike.

Nothing really comes close to you lol.

[astral walrus]

except bosses?

[high island]

Yeah, pretty much.

[astral walrus]

well how good is boss damage then?

[strong ridge]

yes

[astral walrus]

ahahah

[high island]

Decent enough.

It's not a meta build for a reason, but it's a lot better than you'd think.

[lone kernel]

I got massive spin this is fun

I need rupture or breaking wave pronto tho

[high island]

Nice.

[lone kernel]

Didn’t get charged skewer offered which was makin me nervous

Also got ares rifts lol

And died to Alecto

[high island]

Nice.

Alecto wins again.

[twin thistle]

just completed sword 50 heat

[high island]

Nice nice.

[ember flume]

oop

[astral walrus]

how come

how high the heat was?

[lone kernel]

25

[astral walrus]

oh okay

[lone kernel]

I played bad

It’s fine lol

[astral walrus]

i haven't even done higher than 20 yet

[serene estuary]

@astral walrus I'm starting too enjoy Beowulf more now lol

[astral walrus]

and you just casually go into it with a meme build

[astral walrus]

how's that

[serene estuary]

I ain't gonna do a sub 20 but Its going pretty ok I would say

[atomic relic]

can blade rift backstab?

[astral walrus]

what's your build

ni

no

don't say

show when you finish

[lone kernel]

Yeah I find meme build 20s more fun than pushing 32

I also just got my covid booster so I played bad

[serene estuary]

U can take a guess on what my cast is 😎

[astral walrus]

that would be a wild guess

i refrain

[mint coral]

If you mean ares cast yeah (needs parting shot duo boon)

[serene estuary]

It's super obvious based on how I build literally everything else LMAO

[lone kernel]

I’m a sweaty tryhard who pushed to 40 heat and now I just play a meme run here and there. Usually I pick a weird aspect and coin purse and go

Alecto is the hardest part of the run sometimes

You’ll get there too

For calibration I have 410 runs like 150 wins 40 heat on two weapons 32 on all

[serene estuary]

Out of everything in hades

Nothing beats fishing

[lone kernel]

Fax

[astral walrus]

yeah it's fun

[serene estuary]

The only aspect I need is for zags blade

That's the only one I don't have

[astral walrus]

even more so when you get sturgeon 2 times in a row

[serene estuary]

Nah I'm a chrustacean kinda guy

[astral walrus]

i can imagine, since your build is still raw

[astral walrus]

it's weird, but i mostly catch legendary fish lol

[serene estuary]

Idk which are legendary

[astral walrus]

it's like there are higher chances to catch legendary

[serene estuary]

All I know is I be catching gupps and knuckleheads

[astral walrus]

but nevermind, i guess i'm just a nerd with split-second reaction for this thing already

that's the basic mechanic

the quicker you react, the better your reward will be

[serene estuary]

Fishing in video games, that is all, no discussion needed for it on why it's great

[astral walrus]

do you do perfect catches at all?

[serene estuary]

Idk what's a legendary catch so idk tbh

[astral walrus]

no, a perfect catch

have you ever done that?

[serene estuary]

Idk tbh

I'm just there for some rewards from whatever I catch

[twin thistle]

if you react fast enough the catch banner will say perfect catch above

[serene estuary]

I see

So no

I have not yet

[astral walrus]

try it

i get perfect catch every time nowadays

[twin thistle]

for some reason on my laptop theres way more input lag than when i played on xbox so perfect catches be kinda uncommon now

[astral walrus]

wasn't hard to get the hang of it

[astral walrus]

that sucks man, i feel for you

[twin thistle]

that or its my a button being half broken

i need a new controller

my bumper died so now im dashing with left trigger but now trigger definitely isnt feeling as responsive as it should

[astral walrus]

and you're still doing those 52 heat runs in sub 20

imagine if you didn't have that problem

[twin thistle]

its a lot more prediction than reaction tbh

[brisk trail]

randomly played a run through the other day and while I made it through, my run through seemed a bit sluggish since I felt a little rusty.

[astral walrus]

if you say so

[serene estuary]

@astral walrus it's done lol

Under 25

:p

[astral walrus]

but reaction plays it's part anyway, no? not as much as it does with fishing maybe

[astral walrus]

post it

[twin thistle]

yeah certainly there are a lot of dad sweeps ive been hit by which i thought i was reacting fast enough too

[astral walrus]

did you lack reaction speed?

@serene estuary you ever want to do a sub 20 at least with beo?

do you even care about time?

[serene estuary]

I somewhat do

Somewhat don't

[astral walrus]

you do assuming from that

[serene estuary]

It depends on how I'm feeling about Hades that day

I was trying for a sub 20 but Elysium was bringing in chariots after chariots

[astral walrus]

about Hades? do you mean the character or the game?

[serene estuary]

The game lol

[mint coral]

If you want to zoom at least 1 level of forced overtime and extreme measures 2 helps alot

[serene estuary]

I do overtime all the time

Never go without it on

Extreme measures I've brought it too 3 for the rail

[mint coral]

Turning off TD also helps for in game time

You can get survival rooms in tart

[astral walrus]

wait, the last run you did with beo had only tight deadline

[serene estuary]

Oh I got them confused

My bad

Still learning names

I just go about it and forget about it

I use tight deadline and extreme measures mostly

[astral walrus]

survival rooms suck tbh, i'd wanna turn the TD on just to get rid of them, but since they are beneficial i don't

[serene estuary]

I've put damage control as well before

[astral walrus]

not if i go for higher heat at least

td is basically free heat

[serene estuary]

I just like having TD there, idky tho

[astral walrus]

it makes your runs longer

[serene estuary]

Ik

I use it regardless

Imma go in with Gilgamesh with hard labor and jury summons and see how that goes

[strong ridge]

ap would feel a lot better if i wasnt taunted with what couldve been

[serene estuary]

@astral walrus the one legendary I get from Poseidon and it's huge catch LMAO

[calm zenith]

And fo2

Special only

[strong ridge]

im like 68.9% thats a scripted event

[strong ridge]

?

[calm zenith]

Special spam on gilgamesh makes you take a lot of damage

[strong ridge]

yayay

[serene estuary]

Yep

However

I'm building off my attack cause why not

[mint coral]

huge catch is a scripted event soon after buying the rod

[strong ridge]

havent seen it since

lmfao

[serene estuary]

I didn't take it

[strong ridge]

its suck

[serene estuary]

But fishing

Is kinda great

[strong ridge]

its novel

[mint coral]

Huge catch is special™ because you can use poseidon keepsake as one of the requirements

[serene estuary]

Really?

Cool

Not gonna take it

Maybe next time I will

[strong ridge]

if i ever actually farmed for resources i would

[serene estuary]

Imma farm for resources eventually

[calm zenith]

Also off of a boon you can get like infintiely

Sunken treasure

Idk if its infinite but I've gotten it 3 times in a run

[serene estuary]

I had sunken twice my last run

It came in clutch in Styx

[calm zenith]

Two sunken treasures unlocks the legendary I think

The only other keepsake one is Hermes

Keepsake can unlock his legendary for either cast type

[serene estuary]

I didn't get a cast legendary

Only for fishing

[calm zenith]

This is from Hermes

[serene estuary]

Oh I see

[calm zenith]

His keepsake is also a legendary pre-req

[serene estuary]

Ah

I haven't actually used it hey

Yet*

I think it's the only one I never touched

[calm zenith]

It's good for that and certain runs

I like it on fists. Used to run it from start to finish

[mint coral]

Bad news legendary is comfy

[calm zenith]

Greater recall is amazing on some casts/aspects

[mint coral]

An odd alternative to hyper sprint + common RD

[calm zenith]

It's just global damage right?

[mint coral]

Game says cast dmg but yeah is actually global

[calm zenith]

Neat. I might use that.

When I'm trying for hyper+rush but dont get it

[strong ridge]

:/ <- (me after reading that and remembering all runs i avoided auto reload like plague)

[calm zenith]

For like dash only builds

[serene estuary]

Would the plume be worth it in Styx since I always clear out the satyr rooms?

[twin thistle]

mini rooms dont count for plume

[serene estuary]

Damn

[twin thistle]

so youll get 5 charges at most

[serene estuary]

Welp acorn it is

[brisk trail]

is 2 duo boons possible

[strong ridge]

no only 3

[brisk trail]

=))

rly?

[strong ridge]

n

o

unlmited

[brisk trail]

bruh

dude

plz seriois

[strong ridge]

i trol u all over g hahahah (unlmitied is real thou)

[brisk trail]

ok

[strong ridge]

duo all u can eat buffet

[twin thistle]

getting multiple is pretty easy with dark foresight, gods legacy, and fated persuasion

[brisk trail]

okok

is

death defiance or stubborn defiance better, and why

[strong ridge]

wall of text

[twin thistle]

death defiance early game

[brisk trail]

im at 5 heat, whats better

[strong ridge]

dd til like 40

later even

[brisk trail]

why?

[twin thistle]

anything under 32

[strong ridge]

standard chambers get a lot harder w heat

than boss

[twin thistle]

mostly its lc4

[strong ridge]

and free lc ya

[brisk trail]

so then I need SD?

because it revives me many times?

[twin thistle]

bosses are still harder than regular chambers, youre just likely to be dying in reg ones

[strong ridge]

xd

run dd

[brisk trail]

okay

[twin thistle]

youre at low heat

[brisk trail]

best mirror?

[twin thistle]

meta mirror looks like this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/905687554228101120/Hades_11_3_2021_10_17_40_PM.png

fiery and shadow presence can be swapped

same with infernal/stygian spul

or gods pride/legacy

[chrome wharf]

and eventually death/stubborn defiance

High Conf if speedrunning

[brisk trail]

ok

[hasty onyx]

hey guys, i want opinioons if you are kind enough to give em, what ia your favorite weapon (and whatever aspects) and why, im very curious about that

[twin thistle]

some specific builds would use abyssal instead of boiling blood

[chrome wharf]

I guess Abyssal Blood if you find bosses hard to dodge at first

[twin thistle]

or privileged status but theyre few

[brisk trail]

rail with aspect of eris

[chrome wharf]

base bow. plain but it works

also Zeus shield because it does the work for you

[twin thistle]

mostly just for builds that just get all their dps from cast

pretty much just hera

cast poseidon ig

[hasty onyx]

oh lol i find zeus shield so goddamn slow i cant stand it

[chrome wharf]

lol I used to can't stand it too until someone told me about Thunder Flourish

[twin thistle]

uh idk nemesis sword, beowulf, hestia/eris, all the bows except chiron

only spear i dont like is zag

[hasty onyx]

oh nice

[hasty onyx]

that would be zeus special attack? i dont playin english?

[twin thistle]

yeah zeus special

[hasty onyx]

oh ok

[chrome wharf]

what language do you use

[hasty onyx]

portuguese brazillian

[chrome wharf]

ah neat

[hasty onyx]

yeah :v

translation sucks ass

i could do better

honestly

[chrome wharf]

LOL I bought the PC version precisely because I'm thinking of making my own Chinese patch

[hasty onyx]

how do you do that?

[chrome wharf]

it's mostly serviceable but some of the story lines are off

idk, will look into it

probably find the .txt files and change them

[hasty onyx]

ohhh sick

[hasty onyx]

yeah for pt br too but mannyy are off

[chrome wharf]

hopefully the next game can have better localization QA
(I'm not over JP getting 8-4 okay)

[hasty onyx]

hopefully

[chrome wharf]

or maybe we can all sign up to be the next game's localization/QA crew

[hasty onyx]

doesnt sound bad thk

[chrome wharf]

there used to be a localization feedback channel but they archived it

[calm zenith]

Zeus is just tricky to use. You just sort of have to find what does the most damage

You could send it out and retrieve it rapidly with like explosive return

You could kite it and get rush delivery

[twin thistle]

ngl its one of the weirdest aspects

[high island]

Pretty sure most of the translations were done by community volunteers.

Also the game has a massive amount of text.

[atomic relic]

finally got dusas companion

god i love the floating snake head

[tropic arrow]

I’m two runs away from my all-weapon-20-heat goal

Actually it’s all-weapon-0-to-20-heat

Will officially stop playing the game after making it

[atomic relic]

all weapon 32 heat next

; )

[tropic arrow]

I would do it if there was one skelly statue for each

[whole comet]

what about hell mode 5-25 heat lol

[whole comet]

does that include chinese?

[chrome wharf]

anything not JP from what I've heard

though, also from what I've heard (and experienced, somewhat), Chinese seems to be one of the better ones

[whole comet]

hmmm... other than some names or title, like the boon names or mirror talents, dun see any problems. story dialogues seem very understandable to me

[chrome wharf]

yeah it's pretty servicable

I'm conversationally fluent in it so some parts are a bit awkward but it's rare to have wrong stuff

[whole comet]

but then, u still wanna patch the Chinese

u must have something u really hate lol

[chrome wharf]

just awkwardness here and there
I don't have to really dislike something to want to make it better

*points to other QoL mods

[lone kernel]

I’ve noticed the number font is different on the Chinese clips

Is that part of the mod

[stable trail]

just jumped from 16 to 32 heat and by some miracle made it to hades on my first run

died to phase 2 tho

[plush eagle]

Great quote from Ares after choosing Arty over him: “The whims of our kind are unpredictable, my kin. But you shall find responses to such acts to be the definition of consistency.”

What a great way to say “I’m about to try to destroy you”

Also why did nobody tell me how fun Kinetic Launcher is with Aspect of Demeter?

[chrome wharf]

That font comes with the language, yes.

I like it more than the english number font

[twin thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/907878475958988821/unknown.png

interesting

[calm zenith]

Dite

[plush eagle]

LET’S GOOOOOO

MY FIRST SUB 15

HEAT 6

14:30.25

I can’t believe it

Achilles just told me about his vision. FINALLY gonna get ||a hidden aspect||

[full nexus]

I see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix

[astral walrus]

those waking phrases sound cool

so, i've heard that after your attempts count becomes too high, the game starts to lag

how many attempts do you exactly need to have to encounter lagging?

cause i have over 200 on one of the save files and there were some lags that i haven't seen before

[runic parrot]

i havent encountered any myself

[devout terrace]

about 1300

you're not reaching that any time soon

some very minor lag gets introduced around 1000

varies on platform, HDD vs SSD etc

[high island]

I have over 1700 escape attempts on my 1st profile, and I haven't encountered any slowdowns. It's not guaranteed to occur at any particular number.

[devout terrace]

Loading becomes longer, more noticeable hitching when the rewards on doors appear, doesn't effect actual play though

Bad for real time speedruns is all

(we do have a save wiping tool, and max saves with no run history)

[high island]

Yeah, I've seen it in videos and on streams. Just haven't had that issue myself, luckily.

Maybe it'll happen at 1800.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've experienced some lag in those situations when I have 400+ tabs open in Firefox.

Not that I would have that many tabs open, why would any normal person do that.

[devout terrace]

[fast willow]

for some reason the transition from zag room to courtyard has started lagging for me

but im only at like 80something runs

[weary vector]

Rail and Sword, specifically aspects of Hestia and Poseidon

[gray apex]

Rama Beowulf

[weary vector]

What do you build on Beowulf?

[gray apex]

Flood Flare / Passion Flare / Trippy Flare

[weary vector]

Nice

[gray apex]

Depending on what I’m doing

[weary vector]

Trippy flare is nice for a lot of aspects

Like Achilles

With ice wine

[astral walrus]

cursed slash is good too then lol

[weary vector]

Achilles with Ice wine is soooo good

If you get 3-4 casts with Stygian souls

It hits 1.3k per cast

[astral walrus]

but nah, zeus shield is harder to use than just outdps your enemies, as unananas once said

[weary vector]

Zeus shield is sorta annoying for me tbh

[astral walrus]

IF you get them

[weary vector]

The only builds I've done on it are ares and then Athena Bing chilling

[astral walrus]

sometimes you can't even get +1

[weary vector]

For Zeus aspect

Well yeah

[gray apex]

I don’t mind 1 Cast trippy beowulf

[weary vector]

I also don't mind 1 cast ice wine Achilles

But my fav build is always either Artemis Hestia is bestia or ultra super soaker Hestia

[astral walrus]

the game is very well written, yeah

[astral walrus]

any guide out there would tell that, it has become a common knowledge

[devout terrace]

Kinetic

[mint coral]

Kinetic comfy

[devout terrace]

3rd best hammer for demeter

[astral walrus]

not that long ago it was shield with aspect of Beowulf

because it is powerful and safe at the same time

but as i got better at the game and learned how to avoid getting hit with just your dashes, i came to neglect safety that shields provide so explicitly

as Achilles himself said: "Shield gives you an illusion of safety"

and that is true, because it is a lot safer just to kill your enemies as quickly as possible than to block their attacks

[gray apex]

Until the heat kicks in atleast

[astral walrus]

depends on how much heat are we talking

[gray apex]

50

[astral walrus]

are you crazy

[gray apex]

Yes

[astral walrus]

i haven't even done 32 yet

anyway, what is your point? shield is better at high heat?

i've tried 32 mupltiple times and failed

blocking just wasn't the best idea

td3 and all

[mint coral]

Zeus/beo really good at high heat ye, beo ig it falls off hard the moment you take RI3 tho

[gray apex]

Yea Beo Zeus are alot easier to do 50 Heat with

And just high heat in general when your builds start being more garbage

[astral walrus]

with zeus i've tried to beat 32 heat too and came very close

[mint coral]

I did zeus 32 the other day

Was comfy

[astral walrus]

i just let my special do all the dirty work while i stood around with my guard up

and still dad managed to kill me

he just slaughtered me

it was em4

[mint coral]

Em4 32 heat

[astral walrus]

yeah i figured it would be mistake

[gray apex]

Mirrorless Zeus best zeus

[astral walrus]

but still, it feels cheesy

i don't like to regard myself as coward

and with zeus it felt like i was

[last veldt]

Only survivors get to question whether they were cowards or not, the rest are just dead

[mint coral]

You still can be agressive with zeus anyways

[brisk trail]

• Throw disc
• Run away
• realise to have TD 3 on
• cry

[astral walrus]

ahaha, true

[last veldt]

Yeah, special on Beo is just too slow for high heat.

[astral walrus]

maybe another weapon would be better for that then

[mint coral]

Eris goes brrrr

[last veldt]

Achilles spear with Zeus cast is fast. Eris with Zeus also good.

[astral walrus]

yeah, sounds convincing

[mint coral]

Poseidon sword phalanx shot but my run ended up as smoldering air win so lmao

[astral walrus]

i remember someone saying that you should do 32 heat with just your favorite weapon, whatever it may be

[mint coral]

That too

32 comfy in pact options

[last veldt]

Ah yes, crush or Phallanx on Poseidon is good, esp. with exit wounds

[astral walrus]

i've tried crush recently on poseidon

and have i suffered

i'm never doing that again

the range

THE RANGE

[mint coral]

I only did 32 sword with poseidon bc i hate normal sword lol

[astral walrus]

it was awful

i missed every second time i think

[last veldt]

Yeah, but they're all dead before they can hit you so ...

Blown kiss helps but isn't really necessary

Dash behind, pop pop pop, pickup crystals, repeat

[mint coral]

Crush shot is probably good at high heat but im not so phalanx shot it is

Just dont send them off stage

[last veldt]

Phallanx is arguably better for damage, but I like not having to cross the arena to fetch them

https://youtu.be/_zYaFlVs5UA

[mint coral]

So many meg charges

[high island]

It falls and yet is still above most other aspects.

[last veldt]

That's Tiny Vermin Vs Poseidon Crush with exit wounds. I was even quite sloppy tbh.

[mint coral]

Beo moment

[astral walrus]

so zeus isn't really the best option for poseidon, since it bounces around, right? and you'd prefer to dislodge

[last veldt]

Yes

[high island]

Electric Shot is good. You'll want Static Discharge asap. Go-to speedrun builds for Poseidon Aspect are Electric Shot and Phalanx Shot.

You basically need Static Discharge for decent boss damage and for later biomes.

Thankfully it's pretty easy to get.

[last veldt]

If you are aiming for exit wounds you want to dislodge quickly.

[astral walrus]

yeah, static discharge stonks

but is electric shot THE best cast?

phalanx may be harder to use, but also higher damage potential

[mint coral]

Crush/phalanx shot are probably better

[last veldt]

Is there only one play style?

[mint coral]

Phalanx also gets you DD access which good

[high island]

Phalanx Shot and Eletric Shot builds on Poseidon Aspect are pretty equal in the meta.

Speedrun meta, that is.

[astral walrus]

i just want to feel the full potential of poseidon, i don't use it that much

[high island]

For high heats, I wouldn't recommend Electric Shot over Phalanx Shot.

I always do Crush Shot. Crush Shot kicks butts.

[mint coral]

Aphro boons too comfy

[astral walrus]

it's special dislodges casts, that is the main sellpoint of poseidon

[last veldt]

Also Heart Rend and Hunter's Mark can make multiple crush shots devastating

[astral walrus]

thus i want to utilize it more

with electric shot i can't really do that as much

[gray apex]

It also buffs your cast dmg

That’s pretty good too

[mint coral]

Electric shot still lodges on enemies

Also speaking on that, does anyone else have problems lodging electric on the furies?

[last veldt]

But the enemy might be the other side of the room

[high island]

Tbh in strong Cast builds, the dislodge is only really a factor in boss fights and maybe miniboss fights.

[astral walrus]

it does, but many other things, including weapons, do that, and no one except poseidon can dislodge

[mint coral]

If you wanna try poseidon just be careful of lernie

[astral walrus]

no one or nothing

[mint coral]

Or take quick reload

[astral walrus]

with those names i get confused

[mint coral]

The hydra

[astral walrus]

yeah i know who Lernie is

[wind pivot]

Lernie

[astral walrus]

i've completed the game twice

no, i lied

i just beat the main story twice

[high island]

I'd call that a benefit.

You can aim at an obstacle or another enemy to lodge it in Furies.

[mint coral]

Should have specified, not for poseidon but in other builds where i just want boiling blood

[astral walrus]

are you saying it's not that useful?

[high island]

Oh it's very useful in boss fights.

But in normal encounters, you kill things with your Casts and immediately pick them up again.

Maybe a quick Dash-Strike to finish off an enemy here and there.

[mint coral]

Your only dislodge you should use is the death of your enemies

[astral walrus]

ahaha

okay

[last veldt]

Yeah, if you get the cast pommed, it's really only bosses and minibosses that dislodge is useful for.

But it is damn useful

[astral walrus]

electric shot doesn't scale that well with poms though

[high island]

Because of that, the value of Exit Wounds is a lot lower than you'd think.

[astral walrus]

it's base damage is low

[mint coral]

What i mean with this is that if you phase the main head with your casts stucks, they get stuck until they drop off on their own

[high island]

Lightning Rod is great, though.

[last veldt]

Crush Shot does

[astral walrus]

crush shot has no range, it sucks

[high island]

Crush Shot is brilliant. Doesn't need a lot of range if anything in front of you dies pretty much immediately.

[last veldt]

Maybe you need to get better at positioning

[astral walrus]

yeah, that happened a lot and it was crippling

[high island]

It's also a lot better when you get used to its max range and use it.

[astral walrus]

it's as though i play fists, and i hate playing them

[last veldt]

It's basically big fists with several times the damage.

[astral walrus]

demeter fists but you don't need to charge your giga cutter

i have a confession to make, i really need to lay it off my chest, to let out this pent up shame

i've been playing a lot with god mode, first 150 hours or so, farming resources, claiming bounties

it was just easier that way and i though why not

no one's gonna judge or even know

[wind pivot]

i sometimes forget i still have god mode on heh

[hasty onyx]

mani wish i knew how to buils poseidon aapect bettee, one of my favorite looking weapona

[astral walrus]

but then i realized something, i realized that there is something that is going to eat me up alive and spit out, and that being my conscious

especially when i started to feel that it's too easy and decided to turn it off

[wind pivot]

gotta love morty being able to kill off lernie at last 1/3 health

[hasty onyx]

yeah i started playing really agressive and it really works jndeed

[astral walrus]

why do use it?

[wind pivot]

because i suck too much vs charon

[astral walrus]

don't fight him then

[wind pivot]

and miss out on that loyalty card? hell no lol

[astral walrus]

i did beat him twice in a row though without heat

but with heat i usually just don't bother, since my time matters to me and he steals a lot of it

and it was just to fulfill the prophecy so yeah

never doing that again

[astral walrus]

you don't it need that much, come on

[hasty onyx]

my highest heat is currently Hades spear, but i wish i was better with sword

[astral walrus]

what's the number?

of heat that is

[hasty onyx]

well a game is supposed to be fun no? the game is giving you the option, you dont have to be better than anyone right? as long as it pleases you, thats the point

[astral walrus]

it doesn't please me, not anymore at least

i came to realize that the game wasn't that hard without god mode, especially at low heat

hell, even at 20 heat

that's the highest i've done and with eris and beo it wasn't hard at all

also when you get to the point where you've seen all the story-wise content, all is left are your records

your best times and heats

[hasty onyx]

true

well iam curious, what does god mode actually do?

[wind pivot]

additional damage resistance

[astral walrus]

you said that a game supposed to be fun

well it's not when you have god mode on

you can just neglect any damage you take

[hasty onyx]

oh i see

[astral walrus]

+80%

[hasty onyx]

oh thats a lot

[astral walrus]

so everything deals -80% damage

[high island]

I wrote a general guide for Cast builds that might help. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[hasty onyx]

by cast you mean the blood stone you shoot?

[high island]

Yes.

[hasty onyx]

ah ok, thank you

[high island]

God Mode starts at 20% damage reduction and goes up any time you lose.

Up to 80%.

[hasty onyx]

and what about the other toggle, the "more pure and challenging"

[astral walrus]

hell mode you mean

it's the opposite of god mode basically

[high island]

Hell Mode disables the option for God Mode and forces HL1 LC1 JS1 CP1 and the additional pact Personal Liability.

[astral walrus]

wow it's bad

[high island]

Personal Liability removes the brief invulernability you get after taking damage.

[wind pivot]

sounds fun

[astral walrus]

i didn't know it forces js and cp

[high island]

It's fun.

[astral walrus]

it is so bad for speed

[hasty onyx]

100% will try it after i get to my 300th run

[astral walrus]

yeah, imagine charon fights with this thing on

[hasty onyx]

d e a t h

[astral walrus]

death is inevitable

[hasty onyx]

indeed

[astral walrus]

quoting Than here

i like it when he says that

but i don't like it when he appears

such a ruiner

[hasty onyx]

i liike

if im struggling, free floor

or chamber actually

[astral walrus]

free centaur heart

[hasty onyx]

that too

well im off now, bye

good talk

[astral walrus]

but you definitely not gonna wait around for him to kill all the enemies by himself

not if you getting the achievement

[high island]

Indeed. https://i.imgur.com/H49qZD8.png https://i.imgur.com/WUYIPfb.png

That's from my current run.

[astral walrus]

you're reckless, but you're quick

[glass tide]

Guys, im currently starting out with heat. I usually increase it when i clear a run with previous heat. However, im currently on win streak. I think its 8 clears in a row rn. Did you guys increase heat to 8-16-32 or climb step by step?

[abstract shuttle]

step by step would be the best imo

[glass tide]

Im always going for a dark thirst weapon and increase heat appropriately

Just started using achilles spear and quickly understood how good it is. Slashed 7 minutes off my best time with it on my first try.

[gray apex]

I did step by step up until like 16 or 20

Then I did 25 - 32 - 40

[astral walrus]

yeah, it's one of the best weapons out there, but i hate playing it without flurry jab

[devout terrace]

Serrated gamin

Just get hunting blades

[astral walrus]

-25% dash range is horrible

[devout terrace]

I know lol

But its copium anyways

Serrated basically turns you into Gilgamesh

[astral walrus]

start with ares trinket?

[devout terrace]

[astral walrus]

ahahah yeah

[devout terrace]

Tidal dash start

Into artemis attack

Then ares force in aspho/ely

Alternatively could go ice wine

Or phalanx

[astral walrus]

ok, i'll try doing that whenever i don't get flurry jab instead of resetting

[high island]

Achilles is actually pretty good with spin hammers, too. Just nobody ever takes them because they want to keep Flurry Jab open.

[astral walrus]

i like achilles for that, it's versatile

can build so many things on it

it almost feels like there's no particular metabuild

[high island]

There is, but it requires Flurry Jab.

[devout terrace]

The Achilles guide relies on getting flurry jab 1st hammer

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit

[astral walrus]

nobody uses spins because they suck, no?

they're slow

[devout terrace]

Also

Quick spin on hades spear is alright

But you want exploding launcher-charged skewer

[astral walrus]

i've read it, but i don't want to rely on getting flurry jab every run

[devout terrace]

Spin is almost unusable at forced overtime 2

[astral walrus]

weapon can function without it, no?

[devout terrace]

It can yeah, it will just suffer when your casts are on cooldown

[astral walrus]

thought so

stygian soul?

[high island]

Guan Yu spin builds are great. Hades uses the spin a lot (mini spins unless it's the start of a wave). And like I said, Achilles spin builds can actually be pretty good.

[astral walrus]

well Guan Yu and Hades are designed around spins

while achilles isn't

[high island]

The Rush bonus applies to spins, too.

[devout terrace]

Guan yu without charged skewer

[astral walrus]

so is there a spin build for achilles?

let me guess

heartbreak flourish

strike

[high island]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, yeah.

Divine Strike should be decent, too.

Ideally at high rarity.

[astral walrus]

but as it was noted, can i do well with spin build on fo2?

[high island]

You can.

Especially if it's just FO2 and no JS.

Might take some practice, though.

[astral walrus]

practice to stand around charging your spin?

i bet

[high island]

Positioning and timing.

You can release the spin with a Dash for i-frames.

[astral walrus]

ok let me try

[devout terrace]

[brisk trail]

Based emote

[short timber]

Hey guys it’s me Ares

I made a discord account

I love war ig

[spare tiger]

Ares is a spycrab?

[short timber]

It’s red

[lone kernel]

Can confirm was having fun with giant Poseidon spins before Alecto made me sad

[fast willow]

what bow aspect do people usually use for speedrunning?

is it just hera with aphro cast?

[high island]

Hera, yeah.

[gray apex]

Rama

[high island]

Well, Hera for multi-weapon runs, but otherwise just whatever you like really.

[astral walrus]

@elder turtle here

[elder turtle]

i really dont know what im doing i just am doing a glass canon run

[gray apex]

You have the glass part down