Take her boons, give her nectar... that's it
#h1-discussion
rapid forum
plush eagle
Onto Styx
modern pollen
i maxed out her hearts other than the ambrosia heart
brisk trail
okay, thanks currently at heat 11 in hell, but its pretty easy for now:D
high island
She'll talk a lot about Callisto. You don't really need to do anything.
high island
Good luck!
high island
You don't have the Evergreen Acorn yet?
plush eagle
You don't have the Evergreen Acorn yet?
I do, but it’s not fully upgraded and the tooth is
I need to get on that tbh
I didn’t even make it to the 2nd phase
I think I’m being too offensive
I need to play safer around his animations instead of trying to oonga damage
twin thistle
mhm. usually its safest to dodge through dad's current attack then hit him at the end of it
brisk trail
get a call that makes you impervious so you can activate it when it does the big circle slash
twin thistle
every call gives i frames btw just less than ones like poseidon or athena
plush eagle
Okay I’m using the Demeter fists this game and I’ve been given the choice to upgrade divine flourish, Hunter dash, and urge to kill. I honestly think all 3 are amazing options. Is there a clear meta best upgrade here?
Demeter is only lvl 1 tho
high island
You mean upgrade with a pom?
plush eagle
Yeah
plush eagle
Okay, it does seem to have the best scaling for lvl 2
high island
Hunter Dash also applies to your Dash-Upper, by the way.
rapid forum
I didn't know that 
plush eagle
Oh boy, now I gotta pick between slicing shot, battle rage, and impending doom. I’m going for merciful end.
Does impending doom work with merciful end?
That would just be a straight buff, no?
twin thistle
Does impending doom work with merciful end?
yeah
twin thistle
it is
plush eagle
Omg and I got support fire on top of that.
It’s looking like I’ll face Hades 4 runs in a row
brisk trail
upgrading malphon special is soo broken, did heat 7-11 in a row without dying
plush eagle
Long Knuckle omg
brisk trail
killed the last boss without dying just now in 11, just deleted him with the dash special, did like 1200 dmg every time lul
calm zenith
Explosive upper hunters dash run?
plush eagle
Aletto is down
brisk trail
only had athena on and the explosive, didnt even had crit lul
plush eagle
Athena is the one that gives you merciful end, right?
Not Ares?
Because I just switched to owl pendant
rapid forum
you can get ME from either athena or ares
plush eagle
Is that how all duo boons work?
rapid forum
yes
plush eagle
Good to know, thanks
Wait, the next god I saw was Hermes
Not Athena
Can you not draw out a god afterward? I accidentally still had skelly’s tooth in
So I swapped to owl pendant and it gave me Hermes
rapid forum
keepsakes guarantee your god will appear in the biome, as to when it is still RNG
plush eagle
Oh, I thought it was guaranteeing that the next god you encountered would be that god
I saw Athena next
Hermes is kinda special anyway. Like Chaos, he has no duos and kinda does his own thing
I also think that, like chaos, he’s guaranteed to appear in every run
rose dagger
Which weapon has better cast dmg if i mainly play with cast?
plush eagle
I GOT MERCIFUL END LET’S GOOOO
plush eagle
Which weapon has better cast dmg if i mainly play with cast?
Rail
rapid forum
cast weapons are poseidon, achilles
rapid forum
you can work with eris, but it's a bit finnicky if you only focus on cast
rose dagger
I am thinkin of achilles,max level is 150% cast dmg
plush eagle
I guess that’s true, cast doesn’t really match the rail playstyle
rapid forum
I am thinkin of achilles,max level is 150% cast dmg
well it is great for cast builds
plush eagle
Achilles is awesome, it’s my main
Even without a cast it’s great
I love the spear so much
It’s so fluid
rose dagger
Polly try spear later,been messing around with bow.. lol
rapid forum
you can work with eris, but it's a bit finnicky if you only focus on cast
I'm actually gonna do this now
calm zenith
I'm running talos crush shot rn. Kinda sucks
Poseidon does it better and lets you remove casts from bosses
I'd say poseidon for lodging casts
Achilles for non lodging
Either or works but those will probably be the best pairs
plush eagle
Okay so, I need help… is my optimal rotation now to just attack, special, attack, special, to keep proccing the Doom? Or should I still be playing around my cutter proc?
plush eagle
Especially with impending doom
plush eagle
You also want divine dash for more procs
I would like that but atm I have hunter dash
calm zenith
Since that one moves with you
It moves on your special
Maybe sell it? Or hope to upgrade
Divine dash rarity barely matters though
plush eagle
Yeah I maybe shoulda kept my owl’s pendant on for Elysium
calm zenith
She'll show up again
plush eagle
🙏🏼
plush eagle
OP
calm zenith
Yeah its great
polar marsh
Well i beat the game got the true epilogue now i'm starting over without using god mode this time and i gotta say i dont like having to go to my manage games option on xbox to delete my save file but atleast i got a fresh file now
plush eagle
Omg and I got roiling lunge from chaos so that’s another 47% for dash strikes
IS THIS THE RUN?
calm zenith
Nice. Now you dont really need hunter dash
plush eagle
Nice. Now you dont really need hunter dash
Exactly
calm zenith
Hoping for a heroic or whatever divine dash
plush eagle
Will I increase my chances of getting dash from Athena if I sell hunter’s dash?
calm zenith
I believe so?
calm zenith
I think upgrades are more rare than just getting the core boon
Yeah just sell it
Athena will show up eventually and you should get divine dash
plush eagle
Oh now I have the option between Ares, Hermes, and Artemis… I think Hermes will pop up again later… what do you think I should go for?
Crits are always nice but I need a cast and I’d like Ares cast
I also need a call
calm zenith
I'd just go Hermes at this point
polar marsh
Ares best for call or cast
calm zenith
You could fill a slot but eh
plush eagle
Hmm… there’s a chance the next time I see Hermes it’ll be for $500 at Styx
calm zenith
Yeah
plush eagle
I’ll take him. I honestly rarely feel the need to use casts and they’re just extra to me. And calls are kinda the same.
calm zenith
They can be good if you lean into them
Itd be mostly to partially block those boons from the pool of athena for example
But you can still get replacements
So it doesnt like guarantee it
I only fill slots when I am already at a god boon
Not while picking paths
I'd need something else from them first
plush eagle
Nice, I got the hyper sprint and rush delivery combo!
plush eagle
Okay, rare true shot, rare pressure points, or common Artemis aid?
I think the 3% crit is a safe bet since we’ve agreed this isn’t going to be a cast game
And I’ve done fine so far without a call
Plus I could always get Ares cast and/or call later
calm zenith
Pressure points
plush eagle
Alright, I’ve had a snack and a drink. Time to finish out a personal best. Hades is going down this time
calm zenith
Be greedy
plush eagle
Pressure points
Facts
calm zenith
You already have what you need
twin thistle
https://imgur.com/a/i801FUm patty my beloved 
calm zenith
Just making it better
calm zenith
More healing than hydralite?
calm zenith
Ah
twin thistle
sd*
twin thistle
it was a special only run
plush eagle
Exactly. I have level 2 curse of agony, level 2 epic divine flourish, roiling lunge in 3 chambers, level 2 impending doom, on top of hunter dash, support fire, rush delivery, epic hyper sprint, long knuckle, urge to kill, epic bronze skin, premium vintage, and merciful end on Demeter fists
If I don’t win, I’m just bad
I also have 600 coin to spend
twin thistle
btw with fists you can dashstrike then quickly press special to go into a dash special
with a single dash
calm zenith
Yeah they're trying to get divine dash
plush eagle
btw with fists you can dashstrike then quickly press special to go into a dash s...
Really? Holy smokes that’s insane
brisk trail
nice, just cleared heat 12 too , so now its 7-12 without dying:D
plush eagle
I don’t even know what Heat is 🙃
My guess is I’m still trying to beat the baby version
chrome wharf
the game will tell you about it once you clear a run
chrome wharf
64
twin thistle
dont try it
chrome wharf
nooooo try it, it's fun
brisk trail
gonna be ez lul
chrome wharf
take Zeus shield
twin thistle
might be fun tryna get past tart lol
brisk trail
did 4 heat lvls in a 2.5 hour stream
chrome wharf
Cool
plush eagle
Should I take Explosive Upper now?
brisk trail
so its gonna be like 20 more hours till i get to heat 64:D
plush eagle
The options are Rush Kick, Explosive Upper, and Concentrated Knuckle
twin thistle
yeah explosive sounds good
calm zenith
Explosive
plush eagle
This build is coming together so nicely
brisk trail
if you have the demeter fists explosive is broken
plush eagle
It’s like the game is trying to get me to win
twin thistle
it be like that sometimes lol
plush eagle
if you have the demeter fists explosive is broken
You should see what else I have
Alright, here goes nothing. This might be my first time successfully clearing the Elysium boss fight with fists.
high island
Oh, I thought it was guaranteeing that the next god you encountered would be tha...
Yes, until you pick up a boon from them. There's a small 1 under the keepsake to show it has 1 charge to do that. The charge is used up when you pick up a boon from that god (not counting boons from the shop). But Lord Hermes is a special case.
plush eagle
So does it still ensure that you see that god at some point in the area even if you’ve used that keepsake already? Or should you always switch to a different keepsake after using one of the gods’ keepsakes?
twin thistle
It only ensures one boon per run not region
you usually want to swap keepsakes but it can be good for the rarity increase in niche cases
high island
Which weapon has better cast dmg if i mainly play with cast?
Beowulf and Hera are the most powerful Cast aspects but only with certain Casts and they use Casts in a unique way. Achilles is the most powerful Cast aspect more generally.
plush eagle
OKAYYYYY that was one of my best times for the champions of Elysium
And I had 190 health and both death defiance to spare
twin thistle
merciful end
high island
4-5 chambers per tunnel.
plush eagle
I’m wondering if I’ll still have my well of chaos items after clearing Styx
high island
1 chamber is the fountain.
plush eagle
Okay that’s perfect because these are 6 encounters
Oh wait
Duh
The rooms have tons of encounters each
Yeah I’m saving my coin for Charon’s epic shop
high island
23–29 encounters.
plush eagle
This is shaping up to be my best run I think
high island
If you just want to win the run, you're best off just going for the boss fight after you find the fountain.
And the sack, of course.
plush eagle
Omg I’m critting for 737
plush eagle
If you just want to win the run, you're best off just going for the boss fight a...
Thanks for the advice. Normally I’d like to take as much time as possible to prepare, but I think I’m fully prepared as it is this time around
I didn’t end up getting Athena dash but it’s all good
It can’t be THAT godly of a loadout
Okay, so I got my ares call and it’s rare
BUT
I could take rare blood frenzy instead
And I’m certainly going to use death defiance against Hades so that’s just an extra 22% for that fight
Also, does it stack? Will it be 44% if I defy death twice?
I assume no
plush eagle
I’m thinking Ares Aid because I’m a noob when it comes to positioning and I don’t trust myself to be close enough to the center of Hades to avoid the 360 beam
twin thistle
can help you get out of a bad spot like with lasers
lone kernel
And I’m certainly going to use death defiance against Hades so that’s just an ex...
Ares call is okay as an emergency save yourself button but I think blood frenzy will do more damage
plush eagle
tbh id take ares call just as a panic button
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
lone kernel
But it feels like you’re good either way
twin thistle
wonder if impending doom is additive with global damage buffs 
plush eagle
Ares call is okay as an emergency save yourself button but I think blood frenzy ...
I think that if I were confident to actually beat the game and had some more Hades fights under my belt I’d take Blood Frenzy, but in the effort of safety I’ll take the call
lone kernel
And yeah sometimes you want more tunnels because you need more stuff, sometimes u want it done ASAP so you won’t run out of time or steam
twin thistle
cuz thatd make frenzy pretty meh
lone kernel
I think that if I were confident to actually beat the game and had some more Had...
This isn’t the decision that will make or break a run
twin thistle
extra tunnels are only really worth it if theres an essential duo or legendary you dont have
lone kernel
happy hunting friend
plush eagle
And yeah sometimes you want more tunnels because you need more stuff, sometimes ...
It’s also a risk because the tiny vermin is almost a guarantee you’ll lose at least some health, if you’ve already found the fountain
plush eagle
If I got an athena tunnel I’d take it for a chance at the dash
But honestly I have everything I need
I shouldn’t crutch on Athena, especially since hunter dash is good too
twin thistle
if you already have hunters dash the chance for athena dash is really really low
plush eagle
Starting Hades now, 4th time in a row, wish me luck,
lone kernel
Good luck!
twin thistle
gl
lone kernel
plush eagle
FIRST BAR DOWN
twin thistle
that was fast
lone kernel
ME okay duo boon
lone kernel
based
plush eagle
I won so fast it was insane
twin thistle
nice
plush eagle
Clear time 21:18.55, attempt #31, with impending doom+ME+explosive upper on Demeter
Absolutely disgusting run
I’m in love
I might cheat on my baby Varatha from time to time
twin thistle
builds like this will come a lot easier when youve maxed ur mirror
plush eagle
Although, the exact same build with the spear would probably be just as broken
plush eagle
builds like this will come a lot easier when youve maxed ur mirror <:dusa:522248...
I’ve maxed that one that increases boon percentage but not the one that increases rarity percentage yet
twin thistle
dark foresight? yeah thats probably one of the most important perks
plush eagle
Have I mentioned this is hands down Game of the Year by far?
Like, it’s not even close
I just bought it a couple days ago and I already know I’m going to pour 1000+ hours into it
I probably won’t ever be any good by speedrunning standards but I’ll work on my times for sure
plush eagle
You haven’t escaped?
devout terrace
Escape from the game
plush eagle
Kek
Can we talk about how beautiful the sunset is?
Because…. Wow
I’m making it my background on the PS5 as soon as they add the function to
twin thistle
Escape from the game<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
this lol yeah
rapid forum
Oh you can run, you can escape from its deadly grasp... but you can only run so far until you start coming back
plush eagle
Omg I was wondering how they were going to make going back to make repeated runs a thing
And wow… just wow
Absolutely beautiful ending, and beginning
This game is just incredible. The best $27 I ever spent. I feel incredibly privileged that this small indie studio has blessed us with such a gem
full nexus
Yeah pretty good game
jade lagoon
Is Hades a visual novel type game?
full nexus
Not at all, it's an action rogue lite game
The story however is very important and well written
polar marsh
Hades anime gemme
smoky vigil
Yoo yess
fast willow
Clear time 21:18.55, attempt #31, with impending doom+ME+explosive upper on Deme...
if that's your first win, that's an extremely fast time
well done
plush eagle
Seriously?
Dude, thank you! I had no idea. But imma completely chalk it up to the build
Imagine if I had Demeter leveled up
I got super lucky. Pretty much the only way to make a better build would have been to have Athena dash instead of Artemis
But I was still able to proc ME easily using that dash strike into special quickly trick someone mentioned
twin thistle
hello
plush eagle
I also gotta give some credit to the discord, who helped me immensely with some pretty tough choices along the way to form that build
I’ll upload the fight and final screenshot to #h1-victory-boasting tomorrow
I made it to Hades for the fifth consecutive time the next game, this time with base shield (waiting to unlock Beowulf) but I failed. It was a pretty slow run, too.
fast willow
Seriously?
yeah usually first clears are upwards of 35 min IGT
rose dagger
Would be cool to actually able to fight cerberus
fast willow
Would be cool to actually able to fight cerberus
nooo don't fight the good boy
plush eagle
yeah usually first clears are upwards of 35 min IGT
That’s what I was on pace for with the shield if I hadn’t failed the next run. But that was also with the heat turned up
twin thistle
cerberus deserves only pets
rose dagger
Maybe a secret boss or something
twin thistle
yeah base shield isnt really great damage
kinda need ME or smouldering air or something
plush eagle
That’s what I was thinking, ME would make it viable but even then, it’s more about safety than damage
Thing is, I rarely actually use the block because I play so fast.
Not rarely, but like, nowhere near as much as I could
devout terrace
kinda need ME or smouldering air or something
wat
fast willow
yeah non Zeus and beowulf shield tends to be a bit slower
plush eagle
Just because I’m always dash striking and stuff
plush eagle
yeah non Zeus and beowulf shield tends to be a bit slower
Zeus is the one with 3 shields?
rapid forum
Seriously?
average (by average I mean the ones I see often) first run completion time is around 30 - 40 mins
plush eagle
average (by average I mean the ones I see often) first run completion time is ar...
The Hades fight was insanely fast. I beat the whole fight 2x faster than my next attempt with the shield which didn’t even make it to the second phase
plush eagle
do you mean chaos shield?
Yes sorry haha that’s the other one I was considering instead of Beowulf but it’s so expensive to make it worth
fast willow
chaos shield is more similar to zag shield than the other 2
plush eagle
I’d rather fully upgrade Achilles and Demeter first
And probably my sword too
I use the crit one, forgot the name
fast willow
I use the crit one, forgot the name
nemesis
chaos shield can be played pretty safe
it's what I used for my first clear
plush eagle
chaos shield is more similar to zag shield than the other 2
I don’t mind the playstyle change from Beowulf, it’s clearly better and looks fun. I also don’t mind if it’s not necessarily better, because I’d play with Arthur and stuff too just to switch up the playstyle and keep variety
Still haven’t figured out how to unlock the hidden aspects
Torn on whether to let the game guide me or look it up
abstract shuttle
keep talking with characters
twin thistle
Just get charged shot
charged shot can be included in 'something'
plush eagle
I have a feeling I’m close to finding out, now that I’ve unlocked heat and all
Plus I’m starting to gift more nectar multiple times
rose dagger
Hows chaos shield at max lvl?
abstract shuttle
I unlocked my first hidden aspect at attempt 34 after beating Hades 6 times I think and my second one after beating Hades 10 times
plush eagle
But if Beowulf and Arthur require giving specific characters ambrosia, I probably should look that up rather than potentially waste ambrosia.
abstract shuttle
my fastest time is 29 minutes tho, I dream with going below 25
abstract shuttle
But if Beowulf and Arthur require giving specific characters ambrosia, I probabl...
if u change heat in every attempt and get to the third boss fight Ambrosia is not gonna be a problem at all
plush eagle
my fastest time is 29 minutes tho, I dream with going below 25
Just use the fists and shoot for a build completely revolving around ME, ideally with Athena dash. As long as you make it to Hades you’ll be fine. Bring the acorn. He won’t have time to kill you because of your ridiculous DPS. I’ll post my build tomorrow.
plush eagle
if u change heat in every attempt and get to the third boss fight Ambrosia is no...
Good point
I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs nerfed ME tbh… does this game get balance patches?
full nexus
ME has been nerfed a long time ago
twin thistle
they done with patches and content updates other than minor bug fixes
theres a lot of stuff other than ME that's really strong
rose dagger
I notice theres still 6 empty space in the keepsakes
rapid forum
I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs nerfed ME tbh… does this game get balance pa...
It used to be +50 doom upon activation, and had divine dash as requirement
brisk trail
I notice theres still 6 empty space in the keepsakes
Chtonic companions, you can summon them into an encounter
Max out relationship levels with Meg, than, Dusa, Skelly, Sisyphus, and Achilles to earn them
fast willow
I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs nerfed ME tbh… does this game get balance pa...
they already did, you used to be able to get it with divine dash as a requisite but now it's only athena attack or special
so it's still powerful but hard to get
plush eagle
they already did, you used to be able to get it with divine dash as a requisite ...
Oh, we were talking about me getting Athena dash to replace Artemis dash… I was thinking this was why.
OH
The proc still works with divine dash
But you don’t get the duo boon from it
Is that right?
rapid forum
Yes
Any deflect boons will proc ME
So theoretically
You can use ME with athena cast
plush eagle
Got it… one day I will have that same build I had today but with divine dash and max level Demeter
And I’ll get a sub-20 minute hopefully
astral walrus
so i've decided to start on a fresh file just to see how difficult game would be without heat and fully upgraded weapons and mirror
and turns out it's quite easy
on my first attempt with the shield i already beat the bull of minos
with spear i beat him and then got to thesius, not surviving the fight, but still
only mirror upgrade i had was +1 dash
whole comet
fresh file hardest part is to finish the 1st attempt with single dash lol
rugged mango
I notice theres still 6 empty space in the keepsakes
future updates maybe?
astral walrus
foes are so sloooow after playing forced overtime 2 for many hours
they barely land a hit on me
astral walrus
fresh file hardest part is to finish the 1st attempt with single dash lol
one dash is horrible
it is so bad i can't believe how people play with RR
gray apex
They pray for extra dashes
whole comet
mhm, once u get double dash, most likely 2nd attempt, it is easy
or maybe shield if u somehow get 3 keys lol
since u can block everything and play slow
i think the highlight of fresh file is usually beat it 1st attempt
with limited access to so many things
astral walrus
i think the highlight of fresh file is usually beat it 1st attempt
i don't know how is that possible with probably the worst weapon in the game that also depends on dash-strikes and you only have one
plush eagle
Only reason I’ll likely ever fresh file is to attempt to get a decent time, and that means I will have had to get a lot better at the game
astral walrus
i didn't even get past Meg
whole comet
guess practice lol
gray apex
Well yea it’s difficult
whole comet
i think normal mode is not really hard once u practice
astral walrus
ahaha yeah and it's not even hell mode
whole comet
only some Elysium armor units and Hades would be problem
oh hell mode is a different story
but well, people did beat hell mode 1st attempt with ME build
astral walrus
actually i'm not confident enough at this point to clear the first attempt on fresh file, i did it out of curiosity of how far i can get
whole comet
i say it depends on how high heat u've cleared b4
astral walrus
and still i did get better at the game with time and that is enough to satisfy me for now
whole comet
if you have cleared 40+ heat, then u might have a good chance
normal mode 1st attempt is way harder than 32 heat
astral walrus
yeah no kidding
twin thistle
also fresh file you have quite a bit less rng control
whole comet
good thing ME build exists lol
twin thistle
like you can get merciful end with epic doom and impending doom and steam roll lol
or just barely ever see area or athena or get offered the wrong boons
without those last three mirror perks or keepsakes build consistency is a dream
whole comet
lol epic doom XD
rose dagger
Chtonic companions, you can summon them into an encounter
Not the companion,theres still 6 more empty slot in the keepsakes
whole comet
those "slots" next to Hades keepsake
tender pelican
Going for 32 heat on stygius when my current best is 19, all for a stupid statue. Masochism at its finest
gray apex
Going for 32 heat on stygius when my current best is 19, all for a stupid statue...
A bit of a jump lol
Doable tho
tender pelican
I actually made it to Hades once already, but the entire run depends on me getting cursed slash so it's hard
Even when I get there my health is so low I struggle to stay alive even with cursed slash
gray apex
Does it have to be sword
tender pelican
For cursed slash, yes, otherwise I just can't get enough heat without shutting off all healing
gray apex
You can turn off all healing and use Stubborn Defiance to heal
tender pelican
I tried that and I just can't manage it with any other weapon against bosses in particular
gray apex
rip
tender pelican
I'm much better at just brawling it out and healing off the damage than trying to play the keepaway game, my brain just can't handle the boredom
gray apex
To each their own I guess
tender pelican
I'm only in Asphodel, and I already have athena's strike, cursed slash, aphro's call for bosses, and the singers are singing In The Blood. I think this is the run
gray apex
gl
tender pelican
I just got flurry slash too
vapid narwhal
You already united the singer couple before beating Hades?
slim cove
Wtf?! Aspect of Eris is OP. completed a run at 18 heat in under 11 minutes
vapid narwhal
Welcome to the church of Adamant Rail and you finally met the Great Matriarch Eris
tender pelican
You already united the singer couple before beating Hades?
No, I'm trying to clear a 32 heat run for the first time
tender pelican
Maxed shop prices, enemy numbers, and enemy health, 2 enemy hearts, maxed armor perks, level 3 boss enhancement, level 1 mirror disable, level 1 enemy bonus damage, mini boss buff, trap buff, and if there's anything else I can't remember it at the moment. I'm far into elysium right now, just got past asterius
gray apex
Well
You can do some tweaks to make things easier because Jury and Calisthenics are far worse than they appear, same goes for the first Routine Inspection
CP2 on bosses is massive, especially Hades
tender pelican
I can get past any number of enemies as long as I have cursed slash
Then if the boss is same old hades with just his minions being awful, I have the best chance
I have aphro call and antos to do a big damage burst on Hades, or if I need it, his minions
I was just in a big glob of armored spearmen and a big armored chariot and took like 150 damage in about 10 seconds and healed all of it off practically a couple seconds after each hit and just held the attack button, flurry slash + cursed slash + athena deflect OP
Through Elysium
astral walrus
damn fists suck without merciful end
haven't played them in awhile and it is clear to me why
tender pelican
I can't believe it, I just found the satyr sack and just got the last aphro boon I couldn't find. What is this run
astral walrus
without long knuckle you have to be literally hugging your enemies
tender pelican
Here goes nothing, me vs 32 heat hades
astral walrus
and you also can't put the poseidon on your dash
for extra damage at least, since fists do no damage without me
tender pelican
I'm so mad
I lost to hades because I was forced to run inside a skull ripple while a trap was going off in the only safe space, so I took damage from it twice
tender pelican
I had him in his last bottom third health
mint coral
Heightened security moment
gray apex
Cursed slash gaming
tender pelican
It was two hits for 20 each, which out of 160 health is a sizeable chunk 😦
tender pelican
That 160 was with me using cerb collar too, I'm beginning to think I should have run skelly tooth instead
Cursed slash is the reason Stygius is my highest heat at 19 while everything else ranges from about 15 to 7 (I HATE exagryph and varatha)
astral walrus
exagryph and varatha are actually highest dps weapons in the game
tender pelican
My problem with varatha is it just feels awful to use if you can't get the triple strike, and exagryph not interrupting enemy animations/attacks combined with having to reload makes it a total pain in the butt to use in general
mint coral
Triple jab isnt really that good
rapid forum
If only it were narrower
mint coral
And for 32 you can probably get away with just a hunting blades build
gray apex
Or meme beam
32 isnt that bad
But there are some pacts to avoid
Or you'll make it unnecessarily difficult
abstract shuttle
me just going with 6 :0
gray apex
Well yea there are some skills that you'll need to be decent at before attempting 32, like using stubborn defiance and having clean bossfights for the most part, dealing with EM3, Middle Management, keeping UC in mind when picking boons, having decent pace, atleast sub20 minutes igt etc
But if you keep at it, with enough practice it's true that 32 heat becomes rather effortless, and you kinda do those things instinctively without thinking too much at that point
astral walrus
My problem with varatha is it just feels awful to use if you can't get the tripl...
yeah, maybe you meant flurry jab
mint coral
Or serrated
astral walrus
i agree that without flurry jab it's only mediocre
astral walrus
Or serrated <:dusa:522248771409543188>
it has a huge downside, while flurry is flawless
tender pelican
What is flurry jab? Is that just the one that increases speed?
astral walrus
i agree that without flurry jab it's only mediocre
that's why hades and guan yu aspects are not the favorites usually
lone kernel
Serrated is wack
tender pelican
Also, in my 32 heat I didn't get any from short time, I left that one off so I could play carefully
lone kernel
Also, in my 32 heat I didn't get any from short time, I left that one off so I c...
Td2 is free, TD3 takes practice
but 7 min should be plenty
tender pelican
Guan Yu is just garbage, you trade way too much health for only a minor power boost and you're slow as balls
lone kernel
especially if running forced overtime
lone kernel
Guan Yu is just garbage, you trade way too much health for only a minor power bo...
Guan yu with charged skewer is super based
Otherwise yeah it’s kinda bad
astral walrus
Td2 is free, TD3 takes practice
you've done 32 heat and you still don't know what is flurry jab?
twin thistle
it has a huge downside, while flurry is flawless
btw flurry also has a downside aka dashing from a standing attack is gunna be a dash strike
lone kernel
you've done 32 heat and you still don't know what is flurry jab?
I know what flurry jab is lol
tender pelican
That was me, and I've gotten to Hades twice but haven't won in 32 yet
lone kernel
Used it for my 32 heat Achilles
GY was charged skewer
Didn’t do the other two at 32 cause lazy
astral walrus
I know what flurry jab is lol
sorry wrong reply
twin thistle
well theyre right that flurry jab is the one that increases attack speed
lone kernel
You’re good
astral walrus
it was meant for dapper dinosaur
tender pelican
I've gotten very close to beating 32 heat, and the reason I didn't know that off the top of my head is because I hate using varatha
twin thistle
also hades spear is definitely better than zag spear
astral walrus
btw flurry also has a downside aka dashing from a standing attack is gunna be a ...
just release the attack button, no?
and then dash away
tender pelican
The only weapon I hate using more than varatha is exagryph
lone kernel
I've gotten very close to beating 32 heat, and the reason I didn't know that off...
Have you done 32 with your favorite weapon
astral walrus
anyway it's not as detrimental as reduced dash range
lone kernel
I’d encourage you to start there
lone kernel
anyway it's not as detrimental as reduced dash range
facts. Serrated point just not worth it
tender pelican
the sword is my favorite weapon and I'm still not going to do it without cursed slash at the very least
lone kernel
makes asterius kill me every damn time
tender pelican
so my runs just die if I don't get it
astral walrus
also hades spear is definitely better than zag spear
why is that?
twin thistle
just release the attack button, no?
the attack animation has to competely end if you dont want a dash strike unlike without the hammer. its the same as flurry slash
because zag spear does like nothing? you ever used explosive launcher?
tender pelican
Every single aspect for varatha is buttcheeks IMO
twin thistle
at 40 or under heat. every aspect is fine tbh
mint coral
Spear if anything is more hammer reliant
tender pelican
I'm a man that doesn't use special on literally any weapon unless I end up with athena's reflect on stygius or the bow, so an entire set of things that only boost special is literally nothing to me
astral walrus
the attack animation has to competely end if you dont want a dash strike unlike ...
ok, fair point, but i guess with flurry jab you do head-on assaults until your enemy just dies from high dps
twin thistle
well of you never use special to begin with thats not the aspect's fault
tender pelican
What's the point of using special on stygius, or varatha, or malphon? You do just as much damage if not more with your attack and your attack is always faster
mint coral
Sword/fists lets you either one shot enermies or just stun them in general
tender pelican
You do that with your attack too.
astral walrus
because zag spear does like nothing? you ever used explosive launcher?
i have once, helped me achieve pierced butterfly +40%, it's very safe, but overall not fun and i'd rather not use it again
mint coral
Like sword dps combo is special into dash strike x many dashes you have
Or cast > dash strikes
astral walrus
but there is still flurry jab on zag spear and it works
tender pelican
My sword string is typically hithithit dash through enemy with dash strike, repeat
twin thistle
with fists you have better base dps if you dash strike into dash special
tender pelican
I also rarely use casts, they just take up so much time to use
tender pelican
If there's an enemy across the room and nothing else is going on I'll throw stuff at them, but otherwise I'd rather just go in there and wreck them
especially when enemies have pact hearts on them
astral walrus
What's the point of using special on stygius, or varatha, or malphon? You do jus...
on malphon i never use it unless it's talos or demeter, but on sword special has pretty high base damage and on varatha, if achilles, special is one of the best moves you could do in the game
mint coral
Movement goes brrrr
astral walrus
even if it weren't giving you a nice buff, you'd still use the heck out of it
lets you get to enemies so much quicker, no?
astral walrus
lets you get to enemies so much quicker, no?
also behind their backs
astral walrus
It's not worth giving up far more fluid movesets
what are you talking about
tender pelican
My best weapons are stygius (zagreus) and fists (zagreus). I perform so much better with those than any other weapon and any aspect.
astral walrus
Also kinetic launcher/explosive upper are super based
true, but without those hammers on something like zag fists you'd probably avoid using special most of the times
tender pelican
I specialize in the brawling playstyle, I can't do nearly as well when I keep having to stop to use some gimmicky thing to max out my weapon's potential
The most I can change my style to use is blocking with aegis but I'm not even consistent with that
astral walrus
how many hours are you in the game?
tender pelican
Enough that I'm maxed hearts on everyone
I'm a quick enough learner but if it just feels bad I'm not going to bother with it
astral walrus
i've done that in less than 200 hours and it's not much
lone kernel
What's the point of using special on stygius, or varatha, or malphon? You do jus...
Stygius for area damage, varatha for range and to trigger Achilles aspect buff, malphon for chonk damage with the dem aspect and also as a place to put Athena for merciful end
Excalibur aura, nemesis crit buff
mint coral
Poseidon sword too
lone kernel
And don’t deprive yourself of the joy of a meme beam death engine
astral walrus
yeah, worth to mention that special on stygius does aoe damage, which is useful
ashen remnant
Like, the game pretty strongly encourages and rewards using attack, special, and cast together haha
lone kernel
Watch videos of other high heat runs for inspiration
And check the high heat thread for pact info
tender pelican
Comparing stats. Weapon, used/clears, (highest heat) (it really sucks I can't just post a picture)
Stygius 87/20 (18)
Varatha 12/7 (6)
Aegis 11/9 (8)
Bow 11/7 (6)
Malphon 17/14 (13)
Exagryph 10/5 (4)
twin thistle
you can just link an image
tender pelican
That involves having to use an image sharing site =/
twin thistle
i do it and im on my phone
brisk trail
Que
tender pelican
brisk trail
How do you link an image from a phone
brisk trail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647050729718153230/905833079829037086/unk...
Jesus Christ man
twin thistle
press image. press funny share symbol
brisk trail
Someone likes stygius
tender pelican
My sword is only that low clear % because I used only that for the entire learning experience
mint coral
i did that with eris but well, is eris
brisk trail
Im trying that at the moment
twin thistle
i did 21 to 32 with funny rama
tender pelican
Really the only things that hurt me badly are not having more than one rez at hades, I might very well just switch back to death defiance. If I'd done that in either of the two runs I got to him on, I'd have won because I always have at least two rezzes against him
tender pelican
If I can just get my hands on cursed slash I'd make it look easy
twin thistle
just guarantee a triple bomb
mint coral
Im still missing sword/fists 32 lol
tender pelican
hopefully flurry slash too
lone kernel
Really the only things that hurt me badly are not having more than one rez at ha...
Stubborn defiance lc4 is solid for the 4 heat but it takes practice and really tightening up your boss fights
twin thistle
cursed flurry
mint coral
2 hammers for a chance of win is pain
twin thistle
if you want to cheese the game just turn on god mode
tender pelican
This 32 heat thing is the last challenge I'm going to be doing for the game and I know exactly what I need for it to happen, so yeah. I just looked at what Nemesis does and I wouldn't be able to use it effectively because I hate doing anything that isn't just attacking with the sword. I just take the flat damage from Zagreus
For my 32 heat I take Athena boon first so I can get attack reflect, then I try for demeter giving me the thing that boosts room HP gains or at least a freeze, then aphro for hopefully her call or at least something that inflicts weak. Final floor I tried using cerb's collar but I think I may just switch to skelly tooth
devout terrace
I recommend athena dash/special on sword
tender pelican
devout terrace
its actually safer if you use the standard attack pattern of special-dash dash strike
devout terrace
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647050729718153230/905835315518926918/32_...
real bad
mint coral
Ap1 32 heat 
tender pelican
I've made it to Hades twice out of like 6 runs
mint coral
Today i saw someone doing RI2 ap1 for 32 on reddit, that was pain
devout terrace
this pact is just soooo bad
twin thistle
that hurts my eyeballs
tender pelican
I really wish I could stream my attempts in here but there's no voice channels
twin thistle
its just either get cursed flurry and you end up not even playing the game or youll just die
tender pelican
I can make do without flurry, just takes more safe play
I'm definitely switching off stubborn defiance though because it's hurting me way too much to only have one rez against hades
mint coral
Yu can get 2 DDs even with stubborn
gray apex
This pact is some quality gaming
tender pelican
My last run I barely ever dipped to lower than half my health, and when I did, I just recovered it by swinging within seconds
Only revived maybe once before Hades
twin thistle
ig ur just resetting any run you dont get a tart cursed slash
rapid forum
splitting bolt or static discharge?
tender pelican
Cursed slash makes the run, yeah, but I don't reset if I don't see it or anything
rapid forum
static discharge is rare
full nexus
Splitting
twin thistle
one is shiny and legendary
rapid forum
but but
full nexus
It's so much better than jolted
rapid forum
ok ;-;
mint coral
Orange boon good
gray apex
You're likely to get Jolted later anyway
brisk trail
that pact looks way too hard but so many ppl already said it
full nexus
You'll want jolted but splitting is super good
tender pelican
Cursed slash makes getting through the normal encounters pretty forgiving even in this heat
the problem is getting cursed slash
tender pelican
Like, I'm doing all of this with aspect of zagreus and only using Attack for 98% of the fights
twin thistle
or smouldering air or merciful end
brisk trail
I think you might have a better time when you learn dash strike combos
eternal marlin
Just consider how much you hit daddy in the time he attacks once
tender pelican
I consider dash strike part of Attack, I do plenty of those
twin thistle
id just watch some good sword gameplay
mint coral
Cursed slash doesnt even apply to dash strike
tender pelican
Yeah but it gets me in for the hits that do
I'm a brawler
It gets me hit a LOT against Hades but I can just facetank it with cursed
mint coral
Just because you are melee doesnt means you need to get hit
tender pelican
I know that, but I just can't get the timing on his spin slash
I dodge it maybe one in every 5 times he does it if I'm not able to get out of range
astral walrus
I know that, but I just can't get the timing on his spin slash
even Hades uses his special
tender pelican
If he does the single strikes first I have lots of time to get out of the way, but when he just randomly spins I'm more than likely going to eat it
mint coral
Are you dash away of the spin or through?
tender pelican
I try to dash away from the direction I think he's going, sometimes I try to dash through, my timing just doesn't work out either way
mint coral
Also are you attacking during the dashes?
tender pelican
his dashes?
mint coral
That will stop giving you i-frames
brisk trail
time to play and improve until you get a run I suppose
tender pelican
I'm basically there already, just have to get cursed slash while having death defiance instead of stubborn
mint coral
If you are commited to cursed flurry at least turn off ap1
No need to hurt your chances
tender pelican
Oh if AP1 causes cursed to get crossed, that's the one time I reset
unless I'm in elysium by then
mint coral
brisk trail
I think your pact is really hard for what its worth
but if you dont feel like changing power to you
mint coral
At the end of the day yeah, power to you if you conquer the hammer rng
tender pelican
I don't have enough confidence in my clear time to do any points in deadline, and the first is only one single point
forced overtime would get me hit more
I'm confident on all bosses except hades and alecto
brisk trail
at least take customs
mint coral
^ just need to grab 1 boon you dont care each biome
tender pelican
I'm trying to take so much health from room rewards that I can't afford to risk a boon I actually like being eliminated
brisk trail
also one point of heat means one point of off something like
tender pelican
that pool was a jerk to me when I tried that
brisk trail
cp
astral walrus
ahahah
brisk trail
which is huge btw
astral walrus
damn you are so funny
brisk trail
calisthenic programm is gross
tender pelican
I'm trying to set up a twitch stream to do an attempt on but my obs isn't picking up the window
brisk trail
rip
tender pelican
Ah I got it
I'm putting the link in self promotion and going to do an attempt. If you guys are hoping to see what you're used to seeing in terms of sword, you'll be throwing up by the end of it, I promise. It works for me though
astral walrus
i'm interested
twin thistle
im not
astral walrus
come on., the guy's a sketch
ahahah he's really doing the basic sword combo
no dash strikes
even before he got flurry slash
tender pelican
That's a lie, I'm dash attacking after almost every 3 hit attack string
Also I'm at elysium with cursed slash, all lives, and some other nice stuff so this run is looking good
Something's dipping my framerate though
tender pelican
@astral walrus ahem
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/647050729718153230/905861303472619540/32_DONE.PNG
gray apex
1 dash pog
mint coral
42 mins , huge congrats anyways
tender pelican
I had to stop and fix a framerate issue and that took about 10 minutes to find an app that wasn't closed, but yeah
Switching back to death defiance was all I needed to get the durability I needed
I didn't even die to Hades, I lost those lives to being oneshotted by axes in the rooms when rats stepped on the switches
twin thistle
my eyes are bleeding
astral walrus
those goddamn rats
tender pelican
my eyes are bleeding
Why? I won 🙂
I ended up with both Athena's and Aphrodite's damage resistances which helped quite a bit
astral walrus
1 dash pog
why would you need more, if you don't dash strike
mint coral
dodge good
astral walrus
basic combo gaming
tender pelican
What do you think a dash strike is? I was literally dash striking after every attack string
The sword's thrust combo ender animation is the same as the dash attack
gray apex
why would you need more, if you don't dash strike
Would like to see your 32 before you mock others
raw herald
It is not
tender pelican
The animation is
raw herald
The thrust is a lot slower and doesn’t get affected by double edge
And I don’t think you can dash strike straight out of it
astral walrus
The sword's thrust combo ender animation is the same as the dash attack
does it make it a dash strike?
raw herald
Locks you in place
twin thistle
please watch a high heat sword vid
tender pelican
My normal string is attaxck x 3, dash through enemy and strike
astral walrus
Would like to see your 32 before you mock others<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i mock no one
raw herald
If you won, you won
tender pelican
In other words, I'm doing two thrusts in a row
so one of them has to be a dash strike
astral walrus
ahahha
twin thistle
raw herald
I can’t criticise it, I’ve not gone above 32 on sword either
tender pelican
I posted the stream in self promotion if you just want to verify it
raw herald
But at higher levels of HL, cursed slash does worse
tender pelican
would take like 20 seconds
twin thistle
im not doubting that you beat 32 with cursed slash with hl1 and fo0
the hammer just hurts my soul
tender pelican
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about this guy saying I'm not dash attacking when it's literally about 25% of my attacks
twin thistle
its mostly about dash strike chaining
actually gimme a sec to show what i mean by that
astral walrus
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about this guy saying I'm not dash attac...
why would you dash strike though
tender pelican
To reposition
I can bunch up enemies by angling around them and slamming them out into walls or other enemies for splash damage and get backstab bonus
tender pelican
My strings are either attack x 3 dash attack through enemy repeat or full attack string dash attack into enemy repeat depending on whether I can get behind them or not, or if they're armored and going to interrupt my longer string
Occasionally I have to dash attack through them after only two attacks
twin thistle
@tender pelican https://imgur.com/a/kQakWMb basically this is what we mean by dash striking which is how we generally use the sword to deal with stuff like HL5 FO2 instead of just letting cursed slash play the game
twin thistle
https://youtu.be/EdQ03L87zmY <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
if you want to see an actually good player here's retrash again
tender pelican
Yeah, I was doing that after every attack set, I just have only one dash
twin thistle
yeah which is kinda why you dont want ruthless reflex on like anything except gilga and maybe shield
one dash and standing attacks just leave you too immobile for FO
tender pelican
FO?
twin thistle
forced overtime
tender pelican
That's why I don't turn that one on
astral walrus
ahahahah
tender pelican
Words cannot express how boring and clunky I find Exagryph
I have like 5 heat on it
astral walrus
ahahahha
twin thistle
thats how we feel about cursed slash you see
tender pelican
I tend to avoid zeus boons in general when I have a choice between him and someone else
I keep getting stuck with the awful ones like lightning reflex or a couple others that doesn't work with what I'm using
Too many bad boons
devout terrace
tender pelican
Nope. There's like two, maybe 3 boons from zeus I would like having, which might be the lowest number among all of the gods except artemis
devout terrace
What the heck
twin thistle
pretty please turn back on greater reflex
tender pelican
I might be misremembering the name, I'm talking about "when you dodge a close call an enemy is struck by lightning"
devout terrace
Thats a great boon
astral walrus
Nope. There's like two, maybe 3 boons from zeus I would like having, which might...
and what are those?
twin thistle
its basically free damage for not being hit
tender pelican
For only 80 damage it doesn't seem like it
devout terrace
Its not 80 damage
twin thistle
zeus' strength mainly comes from stacking his boons
which gets you ridiculous damage
astral walrus
For only 80 damage it doesn't seem like it
80 damage would be nice
devout terrace
Static discharge makes zeus boons worth it
And his call is already ridiculously powerful
Billowing strength is also a great one
twin thistle
double strike
devout terrace
^
devout terrace
Zeus and artemis probably the best all around gods in the game
devout terrace
with flurry fire
You start to run into cooldowns
tender pelican
and what are those?
Lightning strike only if you already have static discharge and/or double strike or are using exagryph, and clouded judgement are the only ones I'd see and go "I want that"
devout terrace
So not that big of a deal to get flurry fire
tender pelican
Literally the only thing I like having from artemis is support fire if I'm using exagryph or maybe varatha
All the rest of it is just "this crits now maybe sometimes almost never"
twin thistle
a lot of it is the duo boons but you dont use cast that much right
tender pelican
Hunting Blades is fun
astral walrus
Zeus and artemis probably the best all around gods in the game
i'd put poseidon instead of artemis
twin thistle
yeah hunting blades is really strong
devout terrace
Posideon's special and strike have little use
his dash and flare are excellent though
shoals and breaking wave are great boons too, provided you have the above
astral walrus
razor shoals kills tiny vermin in 5 seconds
tender pelican
for me personally it's
Athena
Aphrodite
Ares
Demeter
Dionysus
Poseidon
Zeus
Artemis
Hermes
twin thistle
why is hermes at the bottom
devout terrace
lmao
tender pelican
In rough estimation of the number of boons I like from them
devout terrace
this is too big brain for me im out
astral walrus
why is hermes at the bottom <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
he's too fast for him
twin thistle
well ig he has less boons to begin with
tender pelican
I only care about side hustle and attack speed from hermes
twin thistle
wait actually how often do you use ruthless reflex
devout terrace
tender pelican
If that's the mirror talent where I get the dodge chance, always
astral walrus
I only care about side hustle and attack speed from hermes
what about rush delivery?
tender pelican
I never have bonus move speed to use it with
twin thistle
hypersprint usually
tender pelican
That gives like 15%, barely anything
astral walrus
and it is your favorite aspect
mint coral
just stack ichors
twin thistle
hypersprint plus epic rush delivery is a pretty much constant uptime 100% dmg increase
astral walrus
That gives like 15%, barely anything
add that to a hypersprint
tender pelican
Bonus damage from movespeed is only 50%, so that's only 7.5%
astral walrus
or greater haste in your case
twin thistle
would you consider using greater reflex btw
astral walrus
considering you don't dash
tender pelican
I have before, but after making the switch I started winning a lot more
twin thistle
okay
astral walrus
Bonus damage from movespeed is only 50%, so that's only 7.5%
if rd is epic than it's +15%, also consider that you're going to get greater haste to get rd
and it's already going to be a higher number
tender pelican
Any boon that relies solely on another boon to be worth having is a no from me, what if you don't get it
twin thistle
tbh 15% doesnt matter that much without dots or casts
tender pelican
that's the main reason I avoid zeus
twin thistle
zeus with nothing else is already the best option on rail attack
tender pelican
Cursed slash is one thing because I can still play without it
astral walrus
Any boon that relies solely on another boon to be worth having is a no from me, ...
well hypersprint is nice to have even without rd
twin thistle
well not at higher heat though is the thing
tender pelican
but getting lightning reflexes is practically nothing unless you have the jolt thing
twin thistle
can we wean you off the thing just a lil bit
tender pelican
So every time I can pick zeus or someone else that will be far more likely to give me a one-off boon that works on its own, cya zeus!
twin thistle
zeus works on his own on rail or fists attack is the thing
and jolted isnt hard to get
devout terrace
Bonus damage from movespeed is only 50%, so that's only 7.5%
not true
its multiplicative
and the base move speed isnt a pre req anyway
shy stratus
does the extra damage from attack boons affect bull||/dragon|| rush too?
gray apex
modded?
mint coral
nah
grizzled barn
my girlfriend was on track for her first win with nemesis sword and got a 4-sack 
she was doing so well
mint coral
2 sack 🙏
brisk trail
1 sack
mint coral
being carried by splitting smoldering air lmao
gray apex
What aspect
mint coral
phalanx
mint coral
done
mint coral
1 hammer only
mint coral
when i care enough about sword
gray apex
calm zenith
I just dont think I like sword
Outside of excalibur or poseidon
Excalibur is just cool and kinda different
Poseidon can end in just casting
grizzled barn
i tried bowling ball poseidon the other day, was a very fun and different playstyle! nemesis is fun with heart rend but feels pretty risky without good defensive boons. and exalibur for me felt clunky, and not worth the tradeoff for my playstyle
calm zenith
You just have to figure out excalibur patterns
You can use the combo while dashing
The dash doesnt cancel the combo
gray apex
Yea that makes it a lot less clunky
zealous tapir
I don't find the rail fun, but its certainly strong
quiet lily
I only really like rail when Zues is giving me a crap ton of boons, but that doesn't happen often.
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825853617268588554/905515098381090927/S...
who made that
brisk trail
yet another news outlet that has no idea what game they're reporting on
twin thistle
hades 'guides'
strong ridge
WHY IS FISTS FIRST
something something game journalist
mint coral
sometimes hades reddit is fun to answer random questions then the next victory screens i see are 32 heat Ri2 ap1 and 30 heat hestia lightning strike with dc2, em4 and cp 2
just why
twin thistle
grizzled barn
fists first and gun last is how i feel most players feel in their first 15 hours
brisk trail
soon they will learn the ways of lvl 5 eris
mint coral
fists first and gun last is how i feel most players feel in their first 15 hours
Change 15 hours to like mid 50 hours and is me
lone kernel
just *why*
because
whole comet
for the record
i did not post any VS on reddit lol
though i did do 32 heat with a similar set up, as long as avoiding TD 😄
at least i would take RI and AP over TD
brisk trail
same i can't do td ;-;
whole comet
WHY IS FISTS FIRST
prolly they didn't do fist at high heat? fist is quite good at low heat imo
whole comet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825853617268588554/905515098381090927/S...
i imagine this person ranks the weapons base on low heat though
twin thistle
though like from what i know, fists are also the slowest speedrunning weapon
brisk trail
approval process is easy, just pick up something you don't like
same with MM, free heat
twin thistle
rather than low heat its just inexperience
lone kernel
id love to see supergiant publish statistics on most popular weapons etc
idk if they can even do that easily but like
would be neat to see
raw herald
though like from what i know, fists are also the slowest speedrunning weapon
Only because people don’t like grinding ME resets
whole comet
oh? fist is slow for speedrunning?
raw herald
Slow compared to other aspects
twin thistle
it has the lowest records
raw herald
It still has a sub 6:30 unmodded
chrome wharf
I didn't like rail at the beginning too because reload is another thing to keep track of
until I started watching speedruns
brisk trail
then eris happened
whole comet
i like rail if i got the good hammer upgrade
chrome wharf
then eris happened <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
*Hestia
twin thistle
well rail kinda is too
whole comet
and Rail does not feel the same...
twin thistle
like 40 heat lvl 0 zag rail is way easier than lvl 0 zag bow
whole comet
the hammer upgrade seem to buff rail a bit too strong
raw herald
The bow is a pretty hammer reliant weapon
If you don’t get twin/triple/concentrated, it’s not great
Or flurry
brisk trail
hey flurry can be... mediocre... and thats pretty good! >:(
twin thistle
yeah, rail just need zeus boons
twin thistle
flurry definitely aint mediocre
mint coral
"oops, all zeus" - non hestia rails
twin thistle
its a really high dps boost
twin thistle
"oops, all zeus" - non hestia rails
until ppl build it like reg rails
mint coral
Just take dc2 to justify it
twin thistle
ngl dio attack is kinda pog for high heat hestia
raw herald
And anyheat
I found an old screenshot of a dio attack hestia run I did
And it wasn’t even slow
That’s the funny thing
mint coral
Drunken strike is nice, just get the boons poms
raw herald
And the epic rd
devout terrace
Real retrash hours
grizzled barn
mint coral