I see Dionysus' Aid radius is 600, but I don't see the radius of Zeus' Aid.
#h1-discussion
marsh rivet
Good to know
high island
Try taking the Lucky Tooth through some runs.
rapid forum
perhaps if you brought a certain tooth to a messenger, they'd tell you
dusky wedge
So, Lightning Rod is the worst boon in the game? Can I say that? I just can’t seem to conjure up a situation where I can make it work
vapid narwhal
nah it's not
dusky wedge
It’s counterintuitive to how the game works, like, you even pick up your casts when you walk through one
You can’t just leave it there
I’m theorycrafting but like I’ve said, I can’t conjure up anything that can make it work
high island
Lightning Rod is great.
dusky wedge
How would you use it?
high island
You literally don't need to do anything specific to make it work. Even just using your Cast like normal adds a lot of damage.
It's like a waaaay better Exit Wounds.
And then if you don't pick up your Casts, they keep doing good damage anyway.
fast willow
lighting rod also still hits them with lighting bolts when its lodged in the enemy im pretty sure
dusky wedge
Yeah, but, most of the time, theoretically, it ends up somewhere where it doesn’t even have enemies around, and if you try to lure enemies into it, you end up picking up your stones?
high island
Exit Wounds only does damage when it dislogdes from an enemy that still lives, and only to that enemy. Lightning Rod does damage when the Cast drops, no matter if the enemy is still alive, and it does its damage in an AOE.
dusky wedge
How big is the AoE?
dusky wedge
lighting rod also still hits them with lighting bolts when its lodged in the ene...
Wording on the boon itself indicates it doesn’t, it says “your collectible stones deals AoE damage periodically”, something it the lines of that
fast willow
Wording on the boon itself indicates it doesn’t, it says “your collectible stone...
i know, but it always seems to me like it still hits when its lodged in them
i could be wrong though
mint coral
Most of the time is easy to just hit a wall with your cast to set it up
Or just put all on 1 enemy then kill it
Or use crush shot 
craggy pumice
Does mirage shot bug apply to trippy flare not on beowolf?
obtuse whale
I was happy that I completed 32 heat but then I realized I had god mode on 
how many heats is a trackpad
vapid narwhal
if you can do 32 with a not so high reduction god mode, you can probably do it without
mint coral
Does mirage shot bug apply to trippy flare not on beowolf?
I think it still applies on hera ye
high island
Yes, Mirage Shot on Trippy Flare does 100% if you're using Hera.
obtuse whale
if you can do 32 with a not so high reduction god mode, you can probably do it w...
it was at 70% 💔 but I did have hard labor to 60? 80? percent so maybe if I find other pact options.. 
high island
Maxed Hard Labor is gonna be one of the easiest options for 32 Heat.
obtuse whale
ceases to exist
high island
We can discuss some 32 Heat strats in #h1-high-heat-strategies if you'd like to try again without god mode.
obtuse whale
oooh yes
fast willow
Yes, Mirage Shot on Trippy Flare does 100% if you're using Hera.
you mean beowulf right
also the 15 key for 1 titan blood trade is so nice after you finish unlocking the mirror
gray apex
you mean beowulf right
Both Hera and Beowulf
fast willow
o i didnt realise that it was also bugged for hera
mint coral
Hera also uses trippy flare instead of shot
summer leaf
how do i unlock the heart on cerberus? wiki said pet him 20 times, is it 1 per visit in house
or can i do it at once, i lost count for the last 3 minutes so im leaning towards 1 per visit...?
high island
You can do them back-to-back.
But petting him every time you come home is a wholesome ritual.
craggy pumice
Yes, Mirage Shot on Trippy Flare does 100% if you're using Hera.
I’m using Achilles
Still can’t do the 40 heat
I did sword first try idk why I can’t do spear
high island
Achilles doesn't use Trippy Flare. It's Trippy Shot.
marsh rivet
How big is the AoE?
A bit less than a screen. If I had to guess, looks vaguely like maybe Zag Bow charge shot range.
It really takes off if you have Zeus tier 2s as well (though you hardly need them to get value). You can pretty easily watch Theseus melt from just leaving bloodstones on the outside ring of the arena if you have Jolted.
high island
Probably because you just lack practice with Achilles Aspect.
Lightning Rod range is probably like Zeus' Aid range? Around that.
full otter
does beowulf effect count for ravenous will?
full otter
damn i didn't think it'd actually count
lone kernel
also snow burst is super based, which is unrelated I just wanted to say it again 
lone kernel
damn i didn't think it'd actually count
yeah, I’d prioritize snow burst over it on beo, but if it’s rare+, it’ll basically be permanent billowing strength lol
full otter
yeah i generally never pick ravenous will, but now that i know it does something it's definitely gonna be interesting to try
and i like snow burst too
lone kernel
On beo it’s amazing
full otter
yeah, slowing down (and also doing damage) to everyone gives you that split second to recover and be ready again
lone kernel
or camp shield pop it three times and rush away
Instant AOE woo
Hell I take it on non cast builds too if I get forced into dem
Snow burst with blank cast is still useful lol
dusky wedge
A bit less than a screen. If I had to guess, looks vaguely like maybe Zag Bow ch...
If I have a chance to tweak Lightning Rod to make it better, I would make it so that your casts can’t be picked up anymore, it will only automatically return back to you after like 5-10sec after it drops on the ground (like how it is when you just leaves stones on the ground and it automatically return to you)
high island
Wow, that would make it a lot worse. 
I guarantee you that without a DPS meter, you'll greatly underestimate how much damage Lightning Rod actually does.
mint coral
Ap2 on hera/beo into rod that would be fun't
high island
RIP run.
dusky wedge
The way it is right now tbh, is just so passive, you can’t even fight near the stone without carefully not picking it up
high island
Just pick it up and throw it again.
mint coral
Doesnt rod reduces the range to pick them up?
I never had problems with picking them up by error
dusky wedge
Ap2 on hera/beo into rod <:dusa:522248771409543188> that would be fun't
Aren’t AP2 supposed to be like that anyway?
high island
You said how to play to make it work, I said just keep playing like normal.
You don't have to go out of your way to make it do good damage. That's what makes it good.
marsh rivet
Yeah, the nice thing about Lightning Rod is that there really isn't managing it. Especially if you're on Eris, who cares if you don't have Boiling Blood. Just throw the casts out there and play exactly as you would normally
hasty shadow
how do i catch this stupid legendary fish
lone kernel
how do i catch this stupid legendary fish
Are you on switch
lone kernel
Oh, damn. There’s a way with switch to do it easy 😦 sorry fam
hasty shadow
no problem
high island
Nyaanyaa's Fishies Rescue Guide
Look for the flash above the bobber, the bobs are irrelevant. There's a white flash right above the bobber when it's a real bob. Some players who struggle with that put a thumb on the bobber to not be faked out by fake bobs and have more success that way.
Also if the first three bobs were fake, the fourth is always real, so you can just react immediately on the fourth bob.
hasty shadow
to play the lyre, do i just sit here and press e 210 times
hasty shadow
yeah but i can just sit here right
high island
You can. Might be more fun to think of it as a long-term project and do it every once in a while between runs.
stray urchin
You can. Might be more fun to think of it as a long-term project and do it every...
when I did it I used to play it about 20 times in between each run
Eventually orpheus had a chat bubble and I got the fate thing
hasty shadow
alright thanks
full otter
You can. Might be more fun to think of it as a long-term project and do it every...
maybe a few every run or it takes months actually
brisk trail
i just beat the game on stream, too bad nobody was watching lol, it was my first time with exagryph and first time reaching styx
i oneshot the final boss, the build was soo broken
brisk trail
is there a final ending you can get in the game?
signal aspen
The end of the main story happens on your 10th clear
quiet lily
dusky wedge
With kaboom kaboom
zealous wharf
Hey, I have a question but I’m gonna have to spoil it Becuase it involves the Late-game quests. So I’m trying to complete ||queen’s favour and I’ve looked up how to do it and it says to get 6 of the gods to their max hearts. I chose Ares, Poseidon, Demeter, Dionysus, Zeus, Artemis. But the only one I can actually get to max hearts is ares, the rest have their last heart completely locked. How do I unlock the last heart? I know for most NPC’s you have to complete a task for them, but I did both area’s and Poseidon’s minor prophecy quests but only ares allows me to fill his hearts. Any idea why? I maxed out Poseidon’s keepsake in case that mattered, but there wasn’t even any special dialogue. I have every legendary aspect, every keepsake, and all but two of the summons. I tend to avoid Erebus gates, does that have something to do with it? ||
mint coral
Once you do the favor it may require more than 1 encounter to clear the lock (in respect to poseidon)
twin thistle
Hey, I have a question but I’m gonna have to spoil it Becuase it involves the La...
ares' favor is directly tied to his prophecy while most others arent. for demeter you only need to reach the locked heart not unlock it. for poseidon you probably have the prereqs and just need a fish in your inventory before his first boon in a run
mint coral
Demeter only needs to reach the lock to count
Zeus i think is dialogue about him from other characters?
twin thistle
for others you can find their favors from the hades wiki
zealous wharf
Once you do the favor it may require more than 1 encounter to clear the lock (i...
I did the favour quite a while ago, I’d guess I’ve encountered him around 10 or 15 times since I did his favour
mint coral
Dionysus is nectar/ambrosia to others and artemis convos about callisto from her
zealous wharf
ares' favor is directly tied to his prophecy while most others arent. for demete...
Ohhh ok, so starting with the Poseidon keepsake isn’t a good idea. Thanks!
twin thistle
Ohhh ok, so starting with the Poseidon keepsake isn’t a good idea. Thanks!
also think it helps if you just dont turn in your fish to the cook before starting a run
high island
Don't need spoiler tags in this channel, by the way.
zealous wharf
Oh ok.
high island
Only in #h1-for-new-players.
zealous wharf
So with Dionysus I’ve given out a lot of nectar and stuff. But he still won’t let me fill the last heart. I have no idea if he’s given me the dialogue, so should I just keep talking to him over and over, or should I move onto filling up another God’s hearts as a replacement?
high island
For Poseidon, you don't need to have caught the fish in the same run.
Just don't turn in any fishies until you get it.
zealous wharf
That actually helps a lot, I kinda just didn’t think of not turning in all my fish
high island
These things will happen very naturally, so you don't really have to try too hard.
Just keep collecting bounties and stuff.
twin thistle
id recommend looking in the wiki if you want to quickly/efficiently unlock the hearts pretty much
zealous wharf
I would but I don’t want spoilers for what happens after the queen’s plan. Like I’ve managed to avoid all mention of what’s after that, and I really want to keep it that way. I just like having a direct purpose when I play, and trying to get all the duo boons is just kinda annoying me.
high island
I'd personally recommend to just focus on your runs, going up in Heat, etc.
zealous wharf
Oh ok. I’ll just keep trying to beat my best time.
high island
The epilogue is supposed to come pretty late. You can look it up to speed things up a little bit, but from what I've seen, the people who do that often don't really focus on enjoying the journey to get there and only see the "grind".
marsh rivet
Virtually everything in the game can be won in time and at a decent pace by just playing more and focusing on improving your mechanics
high island
Like instead of doing fun runs and being happy when you see new dialogue, it often becomes deliberately dying over and over and complaining about dialogue RNG...
high island
Oh ok. I’ll just keep trying to beat my best time.
What's your PB now?
zealous wharf
I think I got sub 20 minutes in-game time, but keep in mind I’m bad at videogames and always finish every Styx door
marsh rivet
Sub 20 5 sacks when you're new is very good
chrome wharf
Hermes is an "easy" one, talk to him with a maxed Lambent Plume. Do a dodge stacking build while you're at it
zealous wharf
I’m not that new, I’ve got 80 hours or so in the game. And I make very poor boon choices. Like I hate Hermes and Athena, I never pick up their boons.
marsh rivet
I was about to qualify that lol. In Hades time, I'd consider 100 hours or less "brand new"
zealous wharf
Also my autocorrect keeps trying to get me banned whenever I type boons
marsh rivet
This game is pretty deep
high island
I recently finished all my bounties again on my Hell mode save and still get new dialogue every now and then.
Imagine if I'd died in Tartarus over and over just to get all of that dialogue.
zealous wharf
There’s so much diologue in this game I’m always amazed that I’ll beat hades for the 30th time and still get new lines
chrome wharf
Zeus needs dialogue from other gods about him, so start with his keepsake. Rail, fists and his own shield are good with him
high island
Lol you'd be auto-muted for a minute or something at worst.
gray apex
Also my autocorrect keeps trying to get me banned whenever I type boons
Your autocorrect is dirty minded
chrome wharf
Artemis is just dialogue, and Deadly Strike works with most things
zealous wharf
Support fire is one of my favorite boons
high island
My favorite effect to look at is Lady Aphrodite's Greater Call.
zealous wharf
Support fire with seeking shots on the adamant rail. Don’t even need to play the game anymore
chrome wharf
Dionysus needs you to give out ambrosia, not nectar, but the recipient doesnt have to be Olympian gods
gray apex
Who wouldve thought
marsh rivet
Is it different from the Aphro trial heart that follows you around? Though I suppose it's possible Nyaanyaa has never seen that before.
high island
Lady Aphrodite showed me her trial on her stream. I've seen it.
chrome wharf
TIL there's an animation bc I always stand at point blank range for her greater
zealous wharf
Dionysus needs you to give out ambrosia, not nectar, but the recipient doesnt ha...
I’ve maxed out ares, dusa, and megaera. That’s about 7 I think. Also I got skelly’s summon, and thanatos’s.
chrome wharf
I see her immaculate visage, and the boss dies
high island
Yeah I see her and hear her and then I faint and when I wake up, I won.
chrome wharf
I’ve maxed out ares, dusa, and megaera. That’s about 7 I think. Also I got skell...
Wiki says 6 bonds and 10 ambrosia
high island
That's her Greater Call.
marsh rivet
TIL there's an animation bc I always stand at point blank range for her greater
Doesn't matter, a skull will form magically at Dad's feet regardless of how close you stand lol
chrome wharf
Aphrodite!
sees victory screen
high island
I also love Dying Lament. It's so incredibly satisfying.
marsh rivet
I agree with that, Dying Lament has great sound and visual design
marsh rivet
It think Chiron's Drunken Flourish is my actual favorite though
high island
Heartbreak Flourish on Zeus Aspect is the cutest effect in the game.
marsh rivet
Priv Status has a good sound effect
Lol one day I will hear this noise that everyone claims is so good. I'd have to actually get PS to active once ever though
floral violet
most OP boon I'll go first its lightning rods okay
signal aspen
No it's huge catch
chrome wharf
Lol one day I will hear this noise that everyone claims is so good. I'd have to...
I never used it until I started dabbling in randomized runs
chrome wharf
No it's huge catch
Can confirm, it let me skip the final fight when I got it the first time
dad just said "Hugh catch? That's gaming. You may pass"
floral violet
Anyways I"m 140+ hours invested, and thank god im not the only crazy one
zealous wharf
It’s such a good game. I think it’s my fourth most played game ever at this point
high island
Which god?
marsh rivet
Skelly
high island
Skelly is no god.
floral violet
Hypnos
marsh rivet
at least as far as we know
How'd he get those majestic statues of himself? Seems like a pretty godlike offering to me.
Sussy
twin thistle
wut priv status has a sound effect
floral violet
Skelly's prank made my friend so angry for some reason she hates him now
marsh rivet
wut priv status has a sound effect <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
0% sarcasm this is absolutely me every time someone says that.
high island
Lol
zealous wharf
Does anyone think demeter’s dash sounds like the minecraft zombie?
This has driven me crazy ever since I first got it
high island
The sounds of your hits change when Privileged Status is active on an enemy.
chrome wharf
something something sound effects library
marsh rivet
I'll pay attention the next time I play Beo or something lol.
Or forgot like every other time I have PS on.
high island
I'd have to take her Dash to have any opinion on what her Dash sounds like.
zealous wharf
Has the max heat record been broken, or is it still at 60?
signal aspen
It's 62 now
zealous wharf
Yoooo
high island
And I'd rather take something not bad.
marsh rivet
2 off*
zealous wharf
? I thought max was 63
signal aspen
64 with hell mode
frigid fossil
Uhm does anyone know how to unlock dusa's last dialogue? I want my ambrosia back 😦
high island
High Heat Leaderboard is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
high island
Uhm does anyone know how to unlock dusa's last dialogue? I want my ambrosia back...
No Ambrosia for you.
marsh rivet
Lol, pretty sure it's a mode intended to appeal to hardcore gamers to have a dedicated hard mode for them to feel like they're gaming.
But in practice it's pretty much exactly the same
chrome wharf
high island
It all belongs to Lady Aphrodite now.
marsh rivet
+1 pact
zealous wharf
How do you activate it? I’m only asking so I can stay as far away from that setting as possible
covert oracle
What is hell mode?
you activate it before starting a save file
frigid fossil
Someone more helpful please?
chrome wharf
Someone more helpful please?
no literally. It's dialogue RNG, just keep talking to her
lone kernel
Someone more helpful please?
literally just keep doing run
zealous wharf
I got the dialogue after talking to her again twice. Just keep doing runs and talking to her,
signal aspen
Wdym nyaanyaa is extremely helpful
lone kernel
and eventually you get it
marsh rivet
It'll just happen, just keep talking lol
frigid fossil
Thanks!
chrome wharf
What is hell mode?
forced heats of HL1, LC1, CP1, JS1 and PL
lone kernel
gotta equip ares attack level 4 talos aspect exactly and win with merciful end as well as zeus call smoldering air while playing with a super nintendo controller with your feet
frigid fossil
I though it had something to do with killing mini boss medusa in asphodel
zealous wharf
No, but that does unlock some special dialogue
high island
It really isn't "pretty much exactly the same". It's a lot harder starting out. And that's what it's intended for.
zealous wharf
When new outfits for Zagreus? 😳
chrome wharf
Even in mid/high heat it gives you JS1 CP1 to deal with
(neat that we hit Several People are typing threshold a while ago)
twin thistle
63/64 heat is just 61/62 heat except you dont have death/stubborn defiances
zealous wharf
Oops
twin thistle
so just dont get hit ever
marsh rivet
Boons strike again
zealous wharf
No that one was just me actually swearing
chrome wharf
any heat is free if you don't get hit
Well except TD
marsh rivet
lmfao
twin thistle
ez
high island
Going from Hell mode to my normal mode save once in awhile is such a big difference. It's like enemies just have no HP and enemy waves are so small lol.
signal aspen
Exactly
brittle seal
zealous wharf
any heat is free if you don't get hit
Well except TD
That’s why no-hit runs have heat 11 or so, right? Becuase they just activate all the bonus damage ones for fun
brittle seal
i like this emote lmao
chrome wharf
And Chthonic Vitality actually gives 3 HP
chrome wharf
HS??
marsh rivet
But that difference is fabricated lol. Your base save could basically just as easily create the same experience.
In practice, Hell Mode matters for people who want to push heat. Do you want to play at +1 heat? Fine, you can't turn off CP1 JS1.
twin thistle
hs and tight deadline 1
zealous wharf
wuts the other two heat from <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
The trap damage one?
chrome wharf
I think some go up to... Whatever heat lets you take the Elysium Erebus Gate
zealous wharf
15
marsh rivet
There is basically no one, regardless of skill level, I'd actually recommend Hell Mode to, over just creating a normal mode save.
twin thistle
forced heats annoying
high island
But that difference is fabricated lol. Your base save could basically just as e...
But your Hell mode save can't not take those pacts.
whole comet
hey Unanans
twin thistle
wut
twin thistle
sounds fun
whole comet
wonder if u're interested to watch that
high island
It's like you're trying to not get the point I dunno.
twin thistle
hmm thx ill check it out
high island
That’s why no-hit runs have heat 11 or so, right? Becuase they just activate all...
Haelian adds some Heat for no-hit runs just for Erebus access.
whole comet
he's at 2nd region now, most likely to get to the fun part Elysium soon
chrome wharf
The trap damage one?
Yeah that's HS
zealous wharf
Haelian adds some Heat for no-hit runs just for Erebus access.
Yeah he’s the only hades content creator I watch
high island
He has some great guides.
marsh rivet
It's like you're trying to not get the point I dunno.
If this is directed at me, I don't have a strong opinion on this one. Hell Mode exists. I do happen to agree that sometimes players should be "nudged" in a direction in order to gain an intended experience, but I think Hell Mode kind of operates in the wrong direction of what the pact system was supposed to accomplish in the first place. If I don't like a condition, I should be able to move the points to an analogous condition worth the same heat points.
Also, please do not conflate your point with THE point. One is subjective and the other is unknowable. Disagreeing with you does not mean I disagree with the fundamental nature of reality.
whole comet
guess not, Haelien wipes at hydra lol
twin thistle
yep rip
high island
marsh rivet
zealous wharf
Eating pomegranate while playing hades for 100% IMMERSION
chrome wharf
Apparently there's someone who used pomegranate pieces as a controller for hades
marsh rivet
Got a clear too lol
Wow I didn't know he did EM4 on pomegranate
LOL
we gaming now
narrow hemlock
o ya i was in his stream when he got his first run clear with the pom controller, it was really cool to watch
whole comet
Beo is so annoying vs Thessus Charriot 😦
other than when he stops moving when throwing confetti, seems like no good time to dmg him
marsh rivet
Just travel in the opposite direction of him, blow all your charges and repeat
Chasing him won't do a terrible amount of good unless he fully stops
alpine monolith
guys
it's 1:42 am for me rn
Should i try a new save file first try run?
Never did one of those before btw
twin thistle
fresh file kinda suck and can easily take a really long time
whole comet
fresh file normal isn't that bad after a few runs, and if you're already beat 32heat
though prolly a huge bonus if u can beat Hades with single dash first b4 trying fresh file
marsh rivet
It's more of a patience and having to play Stygius that long problem for me lol
And I don't know how to dodge FO0 spins anymore and I have too much pride to make a practice save for that so I guess I'll just die.
whole comet
the spin is a lot easier to dash if u dash from a distance, imo
and well, if u know Hades is about to spin, it does make things easier
alpine monolith
alright so
Did 1 run, died to meg
Did 2nd run, got to Elysium
Big butterfly room killed me
Pretty good considering most I've ever done with stygius was like 3 heat
whole comet
i think only Styx and Hades would get rough, Styx depends on RNG
ember flume
styx pretty annoying
whole comet
with sword, u could get those room mid is not reachable, and armor greensnake just laser u from there 😦
lone kernel
explosive shotgun rail llul
rapid forum
okay so
if I have poseidon or any % base damage boons special on chiron, between concentrated volley or relentless volley, which one should I pick?
twin thistle
pretty sure concentrated increases base damage a lot more thanrelentless
rapid forum
that's what I thought, I just want to be sure
brisk trail
hey, been playing this game on the xbox game pass and enjoying it but i actually wanted to buy it on steam now, is there anyway to transfer my progress/save over to steam?
twin thistle
hey, been playing this game on the xbox game pass and enjoying it but i actually...
no there isnt sadly. closest thing you can do is download a savefile someone else has shared so you dont have to unlock everything again
brisk trail
been playing it on my pc if that matters(microsoft store), surely the save file is somewhere no?
narrow hemlock
xbox to steam? uhh check the first pinned message, potentially?
vapid narwhal
short answer is yes you can transfer progress from xbox to steam and vice versa
check the pin
twin thistle
interesting
narrow hemlock
its not officially supported but yeah people have found workarounds
vapid narwhal
it's as simple as copying and renaming files
LOL my Xbox account also got blacklisted by TrueAchievements from it but who cares
narrow hemlock
googles, doesnt seem like a loss there
vapid narwhal
yep
like I didnt even know I had an account on there, after getting like 700 GS from transfering the steam save I got an email from them
narrow hemlock
all the achievements unlocking at once probably got flagged as potential hacking business or smth but thats a risk you take transferring a save from one platform to another
¯_(ツ)_/¯
brisk trail
I mean
I got all the achievements on a game in the past on steam after linking my account from my phone
doubt it's anything that could get me banned, at best probably flagged and looked at but when they realise it's not every achievement it's not exactly like im hacking for a bunch of easy to get ones
whole comet
are there mods out there that lets u unlock everything, something like that?
probably yes O_O
twin thistle
are there mods out there that lets u unlock everything, something like that?
you dont need a mod to begin with
lone kernel
are there mods out there that lets u unlock everything, something like that?
If you’re on steam you can download a save file of a game with everything unlocked and leveled up
whole comet
well, the person who asks about transfering file, might be the closest thing he/she could do quickly is to "transfer progress"
if they could set things manually, like the things already unlocked
spare tiger
kinda hard to trigger event flags
twin thistle
well we already talked about directly doing it with the mention of the thing in the pins
spare tiger
ok i looked through the pins
the idea of your own shield coming back and killing you makes it sound like such a god awful weapon
modern garnet
Well that was never an intended effect
spare tiger
also dang old hypnos got the real swag
modern garnet
Yeah what an outfit
twin thistle
what was that an actual thing that was possible
anyways im thinking of doing a charged throw beowulf build
spare tiger
oh god WHY?
whole comet
how long would it take to kill bosses with that O_O
twin thistle
lets see 
whole comet
is it just me, or the fury and lernie EM fight could spike?
blue lernie and wave+lava add with HS and HL5 is insane, or Alecto with Tis only seem a lot harder
or more like, the spike only gets obvious when u're at 40+heat
misty apex
Were there every any proto type designs for Hera, Haphestus, or Apollo? Or any other gods like Hestia or Selene?
fast willow
is there any weapon that cant do ME build
fast willow
how about shield/spear?
ive done chaoshield ME and its very good
rapid forum
my friend, new to hades: "hey, I can borrow coins from charon?"
me: "yea, but you might need to turn it back later"
my friend: "sounds reasonable.... I'm gonna borrow."
less than 5 mins later
My friend: "I hate you."
Me: "trusting me was a big mistake."
whole comet
lol fluffy
fast willow
and im pretty sure spamming dashstrike on spear is viable anyways
whole comet
u might like my next victory post
rapid forum
i should do spin achilles again
fast willow
why spin achilles of all things
fast willow
if youre doing spin it should be hades/GY right
rapid forum
yes, the AOE on hades is larger. however GY is a bit.... risky
pretty fun tho
however
the buff from hades doesn't affect the spin
unlike achilles
that's what I'm aiming
iirc
fast willow
the buff from hades doesn't affect the spin
i wish that was changed
hades is already so much worse than achilles
why invalidate its only niche 
high island
@twin thistle the OG Charged Flight build is with Heartbreak Flourish and Zeus' Aid.
twin thistle
how about shield/spear?
ME works pretty easily on shield and spear. like all you need is the ability to dash strike. you can even do ME beowulf with athena cast and ares attack which is kinda cursed
high island
That's what we used in Early Access.
twin thistle
lol was mostly looking for the big numbers
but yeah definitely would want smouldering for trying out higher heats
tall panther
Hey people, I along my friends want to race Hades, as such I wanted to ask if there is any guide online(I know it's mostly just sharing one save so the rng is limited) but I can't seem to find any. If It wouldn't be too much could anyone say if the setting we choose is ok?
races on weekends,
8 races total,
5 consist of zagreus aspects infernal arms,
one stygian blade with an aspect,
one free choice of weapon and one new file
time measured: ingame time(quite possibly will change)
also can we use the same file after the first race(as in, would our first race change something in a run after that) , or does someone have to share again?
twin thistle
Hey people, I along my friends want to race Hades, as such I wanted to ask if th...
there are speedrunning guides in the hades speedrunning discord which can be found in the pins in #self-promotion. also there are probably some that can be found in speedrun.com for hades. as for successive races, after every completed run, the seed will change randomly which will result in differences in rng though itll mostly be in the first couple rooms where this is apparent.
tall panther
thanks
twin thistle
Hey people, I along my friends want to race Hades, as such I wanted to ask if th...
uh also the speedrunning modpack which is also in the speedrunning discord can help to mitigate the rng differences by selecting seeds, guaranteeing two sacks, etc if thats what youre looking for
tall panther
as in satyr sack?
so there is a higher chance to get it?
sorry, but I am pretty new to the game afterall
twin thistle
like with the mod pack you can guarantee that the second styx doorway leads to a satyr sack
tall panther
ah
twin thistle
normally it will be in from the 2nd to the 5th door you take
tall panther
yeah, I am just looking to make it pretty fair between the 5 of us who will be racing, I don't think I can get them to download any modpacks(I had to convince them to not make it all free weapon choice races)
karmic turret
What's the best aspect for shield if I enjoy it richocheting when i throw it
gray apex
Chaos I guess?
twin thistle
can do hidden for somewhat meaty damage with charged flight lol
but like zeus shield makes it just not have the ricochet and zag shield does absolutely nothing
tall panther
what does a stand for in rta if you don't mind telling me?
high island
Action.
twin thistle
the igt pauses when doing things like selecting boons. rta is real time. so no pauses
high island
Because free rooms aren't as free, so room RNG is a bit less of a factor. I'd suggest you join the Hades Speedrunning discord server, it's pinned in #self-promotion. They've done plenty of races.
twin thistle
i thought it was real time attack
high island
Oh yeah that.
high island
It's a dumb acronym tbh.
twin thistle
attack sounds cooler or dumber
gray apex
tall panther
me and bois enjoying Real Time Astronaut
high island
Becoming a Real Time Astronaut requires a lot of training.
tall panther
oh also I intented to ask if there is a more than 2 people race, does it usually end once the first clear is achieved, or do they wait till the last ends
high island
Waiting for the last person seems like a common courtesy.
tall panther
I guess
high island
But you can make your own rules. If you all agree you don't want to wait, then you don't.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tall panther
It's gonna be an interesting race, one god mode player, one cleared hades for the second time yesterday, One I know nothing of and one that is quite arogant
amatuer league if you will
whole comet
about the Satyr sack thing
high island
Quite.
whole comet
u could try always go for non-boon rooms first
karmic turret
does anyone know if the zeus boon "high voltage" works with "thunderous flourish"
whole comet
seems like the 2nd non-boon tend to drop it
karmic turret
I assume not but want to double check
twin thistle
does anyone know if the zeus boon "high voltage" works with "thunderous flourish...
ye
high island
u could try always go for non-boon rooms first
That has no effect on sack RNG.
tall panther
seems like the 2nd non-boon tend to drop it
no, it doesn't
learned the hard way doing the olympian free
twin thistle
so it makes it do aoe damage?
already does aoe, just makes it bigger
whole comet
ic, i got the opposite then when doing that
high island
You want to take the miniboss tunnels first because they're faster.
Which tunnels you enter doesn't affect sack RNG.
twin thistle
It's gonna be an interesting race, one god mode player, one cleared hades for th...
tbh might be better to do the free choice thing if you guys are not all that experienced. can just restrict it to one use per aspect.
whole comet
one that is arrogant lol
twin thistle
seems like the 2nd non-boon tend to drop it
the second room in general tends to drop it. its like a 54% or something chance iirc
high island
I'd also strongly advise against any fresh file attempts.
gray apex
I mean, they might not have all aspects upgraded anyway
twin thistle
yeah... that might take awhile
tall panther
one that is arrogant lol
I mean, he makes it quite awkard to be around when talking to his wife, and seems a bit mighty(we play valorant, and in the group, it is a common joke that you're that dude if you accuse someone of cheating)
whole comet
hmmm... suddenly remind me of a terrible breakfast...
oh dw, just speaking to myself
tall panther
tbh might be better to do the free choice thing if you guys are not all that exp...
I think it's fine, we have a different range of weapon expertise(rarely more than 2 people prefer the same weapon)
high island
I've seen new players attempt to race fresh file, and that just went on forever with no one even making it out of Asphodel most of the time and eventually they give up.
gray apex
Lol
tall panther
I will discuss it with them
gray apex
Sounds about right
whole comet
fresh file is actually harder than it looks lol
twin thistle
fresh file doesnt exactly mean winning the first run
tall panther
yeah, we discussed the possibility of just checking who will go the furthest
on a new file
twin thistle
that works
whole comet
true, but still take a while if u start fresh file
tall panther
frankly, we can't really be disturbed by that, we accepted that we will usually have to wait for 20 minutes for the last person to finish
high island
I'd suggest you focus on just having a good race with 2 or 3 aspects, and try to make that work smoothly and all practice for that.
whole comet
that would assume all of them already have files with all weapons unlocked?
twin thistle
problem might be being able to get consistent clears to begin with particularly when one of you has only 2 clears
whole comet
but he said one of them he doesnt know
twin thistle
think they are sharing a file
high island
No, it just assumes they have at least three weapons.
gray apex
Yea imagine just dying mid run lol
tall panther
that would assume all of them already have files with all weapons unlocked?
nah, while I don't have all aspects unlocked, I will probably just farm titan blood so anyone can fully upgrade an aspect they want
from my save
yep, sharing files
gray apex
Time pressure and the racing environment will probably make everyone play aggressively
twin thistle
you could also just use the maxed save from hades speedrun.com
whole comet
maybe just limit to 3 blood per player, so they can either use an aspect or upgrade Zag?
whole comet
what about hidden aspect?
twin thistle
prolly not...
tall panther
I don't think so
gray apex
tall panther
I would probably go for 7 min max per floor tho, just as a reminder for myself
and gotta get the rewards from shield and spear
whole comet
lol TD2 already O_O
twin thistle
most people dont avoid td like the plague
high island
My recommendations:
get the speedrun modpack, it has rule presets that you can use
get a max save, so everyone has access to all aspects and the full mirror etc.
allow players to use god mode if they want to since you have very inexperienced players in the race
allow for sufficient time before you do the race to give you all a chance to practice
tall panther
I am speaking purerly for myself, they have no obligation
I will propose that to them, thanks
twin thistle
yeah id definitely recommend the letting ppl practice part. maybe have the more experienced ones in the group hold off themselves too
whole comet
or let the experienced one play with heat 😄
tall panther
I will have to ask them for the specifics about their experience
high island
yeah id definitely recommend the letting ppl practice part. maybe have the more ...
Nah, I think they should all practice, and don't be hesitant to share your ideas and stuff with each other. It just makes all of you better players.
twin thistle
suppose could do penalties like adding js and cp instead if youd like that
high island
Don't make it too complicated or hard.
twin thistle
mayhe a bit overcomplicated yeah
fast willow
so recently i tried to do ME gilgamesh and started out with ares keepsake for attack, took athena keepsake for asphodel but then never saw athena for the entire rest of the run. Did i do something wrong or is that just upto RNG?
gray apex
rng
high island
Lastly, once you've decided on a ruleset and all that, come back so we can help you prepare and win.
tall panther
I want to win on the bow and fists/rail
high island
Are you playing on a controller?
twin thistle
hera bow and eris rail be quite strong for spedruns
high island
Alright, get Hera to max level (or just use a max save), and then I recommend you rebind Cast to L1/LB when using Hera.
And here's a guide for the aspect.
high island
It's the most consistently fast bow.
tall panther
so it would come in handy once
high island
Ah. So... two Zag aspects and one free choice?
tall panther
you proposed three races
we wanted to make 8 overall, about 2 a weekend
5 zag aspects
stygian blade aspect other than zag
1 free choice
and 1 who will get the furthest on a fresh file
high island
Actually, what I recommended, and what is most commonly done in Hades races, is one RTA race with 3 aspects back-to-back.
You don't time each aspect, you time the full RTA it takes to clear three runs.
tall panther
yeah, we wanted to focus more on one weapon at a time
But it won't hurt to bring that up
high island
Doing it that way makes sure that luck is less of a factor.
Otherwise you get one person with a super lucky run and they just win, but with 3 runs, it evens out more reliably.
tall panther
I mean, I do think one of them will aim for merciless end most of the time
high island
You can take a look at some of the Hermes Cup races to get an idea. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHP3ZAL3tVyTh1iVU90qrWQ/videos
tall panther
so yeah, rng can be a big factor
twin thistle
tbh with zag sword/shield/fists/spear its a lot of merciful end for speedrunning
high island
m talking less about the build and more about the rooms tbh. But build is certainly a factor, too.
whole comet
didn't the mod package also let you control the boon drop?
tall panther
m talking less about the build and more about the rooms tbh. But build is certai...
hmm, doesn't sharing a save after every race solve that?
high island
No, only the first chamber will be the same, everything else after that is gonna be very different.
If two players are of somewhat equal skill but one is getting all the free rooms and the other isn't, the one getting all the free rooms is gonna win. So doing more aspects in one race makes that less of a factor and more about the skill of the players.
Although if you think that luck being more of a factor can give the less experienced players a better chance, that could be more fun for your group, I guess.
tall panther
Yeah, I will discuss it with them and eventually come back here again, thanks for all the help
high island
Sure thing.
whole comet
you know, talk about RNG
lucky one could get Meg or Green Hydra, when some gets Alecto or Blue Hydra
high island
What's your IGT PB, anyway?
tall panther
mine was 17:3x on stygian
then 18 something on bow and malfurion
19 on rail
20 on spear
high island
Stygius*
tall panther
23 on shield
high island
Can I join your race? My RTA PB is 14:35.
rapid forum
lol
tall panther
I would prefer not
twin thistle
sounds fair
high island
whole comet
lol u would have to be play 45 heat to be "fair", i guess?
high island
I dunno how reliably I could clear 45 Heat with some aspects. I haven't been playing very much lately.
tall panther
I at least intend on playing on some heat, since the guy who cleared it twice has igt of 44 minutes
high island
You could do EM2 FO2, but that just makes the run faster lol.
gray apex
Do Js3 Cp2 so it’s totally fair
twin thistle
no we dont
tall panther
if you say so
gray apex
whole comet
i would want EM5 Charon
tall panther
I can use that on the free choice of weaponn
whole comet
and sigh... i guess time pause for Charon is fine...
tall panther
do you need to do him everytime or smth?
I am on 4 charon streak rn
for no reasonn
whole comet
well it would be nice if u can 100% spawn him somehow
gray apex
do you need to do him everytime or smth?
You don’t
high island
I used to race a friend for fun sometimes. The goal was doing two runs before he finished one.
He did eventually win one race.
gray apex
Quite the way to flex on a newbie
high island
It was just us having fun.
tall panther
that's true
high island
It matters to some extent even if you're good, but not that much.
high island
That's true lol.
twin thistle
big brain strats
devout terrace
tall panther
I don't think that would matter for me, since I avoid calls like fire
high island
Speedrunners will often take quite a bit of damage especially in boss fights because it's faster to take the hit and keep doing damage than to evade.
whole comet
how much heat did u plan to take?
fast willow
big brain strats
brb on my way to claim the RTA world record with this newfound strat
fast willow
oh btw is half call sigil of the dead good?
twin thistle
yep
fast willow
i feel like it doesnt do much unless its full
devout terrace
Gives you a burst of 100% more damage
high island
I think you're overcomplicating things when you start taking pacts to make things more difficult. The newer players will improve and catch up anyway.
tall panther
I think you're overcomplicating things when you start taking pacts to make thing...
I am not aware of the skill level of two of them
fast willow
wait so you can potentially get RD from hermes first boon if you have sigil
tall panther
So I am just being conceited rn
high island
No.
fast willow
aww
high island
wait how much movement speed does sigil give <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
+100%, I think.
twin thistle
the movement speed is immediately lost after attacking with half call right
high island
I think so, yeah.
twin thistle
cool
high island
@tall panther what if I play on PS5? I haven't played Hades on PS5 yet, so I'll be a new Hades PS5 version player. Can I join the race then?
tall panther
wanna be a referee?
high island
Gods no, that's work. m allergic to work.
tall panther
because I do not think we want to involve people outside of that community to the race
also, how much would it actually change
high island
I was joking, don't worry.
tall panther
would you even use a different controller?
high island
It would be a different controller, yes.
twin thistle
what about one hand tied behind your back
gray apex
👀
high island
what about one hand tied behind your back <:dusa:522248771409543188>
No, we wouldn't want to make it too hurtful when I win.
whole comet
then both hands
high island
Hmmmmmmmmm. No.
whole comet
actually, would let u use 2 finger only
high island
Is one thumb and one finger allowed?
whole comet
yeah, any of your choices
twin thistle
thats almost just playing normally lol
gray apex
Lol
whole comet
be aware that the rest needs to be fold up
u may not use other fingers to hold the controller
tall panther
just use TAS 4head
whole comet
so the rest needs to be like a fist
tall panther
do not mind it's a random run
high island
I'll just put the controller on my lap lol no problem.
tall panther
and TAS wouldn't probalby work
twin thistle
this is just approaching my cursed one handed runs
whole comet
that's fine, but u may not use any other things to "fix position" ur controller
high island
I'd even use only three buttons: Cast, Dash, Attack.
fast willow
this is just approaching my cursed one handed runs
do 1 handed KBM
high island
And only Lv.1 Zag Aspects.
steep bobcat
my friend started to play hades and im so happy he did
high island
Just do Crush Shot every run.
steep bobcat
ig non stop talking about it during our dnd sessions was good
gray apex
1 handed kbm would work
twin thistle
just get a mouse with side buttons smh
fast willow
1 handed kbm would work
trackpad would be unironically optimal for 1 handed KBM
twin thistle
trackpad
gray apex
Well you could play Eris and turn off aim at cursor
twin thistle
i should actually try that
gray apex
Then rebind attack and special
whole comet
hmmm is it really the same to play with 2 thumbs if ur other fingers cannot be used lol
fast willow
trackpad <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
its easier to hit WASD and trackpad with 1 hand than WASD with mouse
fast willow
Well you could play Eris and turn off aim at cursor
turn off aim at cursor is cheating
tall panther
now do it with a dance mat
high island
turn off aim at cursor is cheating
No, it's strategy.
fast willow
No, it's strategy.
but it defeats the whole point of 1 handed KBM
high island
That's your fault for making a challenge that's so easily solved.
high island
An alternative strategy then: rebind keys to controller buttons, so the game thinks you're using a controller and gives you auto-aim.
tall panther
Oh, also I know this should go to tech support, but does hades often stop uploading to the cloud?
high island
That should go to #h1-tech-support.
gray apex
~~and honestly i always forget about turn off aim at cursor~~
I forget to turn it back on after I do an Eris run lol
fast willow
I forget to turn it back on after I do an Eris run lol
i just dont use it even for Eris
gray apex
Have you tried it
fast willow
Have you tried it
no but i think it would be too OP, its not like eris is weak in the first place
there has to be some sort of skill involved in actually aiming to make it work properly, atleast for me
whole comet
phew, finally took down Charon at high heat lol
gray apex
That’s fair
whole comet
feeling good now with the rest
high island
That would make it 60 or 61 Heat.
Because if it's not 60 or 61, there are alternatives.
high island
If you got sub 20 before, you're not too far from getting consistent sub 20s.
Taking TD3 is probably good to help you figure out stronger builds and to help you focus on wasting less time in encounters.
Would make for a good goal before your races.
tall panther
last few runs of mine are around 20 minutes mark
high island
That's good enough. Just gotta save a few seconds here and there.
Pause the game when choosing an exit to pause the timer.
Although don't do that for RTA.
tall panther
Pause the game when choosing an exit to pause the timer.
thanks for the advice
whole comet
feels like 45 heat is the furthest i can push without the doll...
tall panther
16:57 new igt pb
high island
Nice!
gray apex
The doll doesn’t help you push heat lol
whole comet
it could save a bit time on mini-boss/boss
brisk trail
doll?
whole comet
the companions
brisk trail
oh yeah
brisk trail
didnt we talk about this, charon shouldnt be a timeloss in elysium
whole comet
and AP1-2 would risk me not able to get Aphro cast
unfortunately he's, and i think i can only manage TD2
high island
Well, practice.
oak gull
I wish there was a way to provoke Charon that was less... random and less 1 out of every 10-20 times.
vapid narwhal
it's a 22% chance in every mid biome shop, btw
you get 3 chances per run, if you got him to spawn mid biome
vapid narwhal
middle of the area
oak gull
can't be 22%
vapid narwhal
it is
oak gull
Not in my experience.
vapid narwhal
game data doesnt lie
oak gull
22% of it spawning sounds like what it is on paper, but when playing, that number seems way, way less.
vapid narwhal
Charon can spawn twice in each area, once half way and once before the boss room if you choose his room
spare tiger
7 total run ins with Charon if you see him at every chance right?
vapid narwhal
the bag will only spawn in the half way shop btw
so you get 3 chances, 22% each to see it every run
spare tiger
Oh and let's not forget that you can't reroll to get the shop/reroll the shop
vapid narwhal
not set, it's the halfway point
high island
22% of it spawning sounds like what it is on paper, but when playing, that numbe...
Yeah, but numbers aren't biased unlike your intuition.
53% chance to see the bag in a run if you skip no mid-shops.
oak gull
Yeah, but numbers aren't biased unlike your intuition. <:dusa:522248771409543188...
My intuition is perfectly capable of seeing nothing multiple runs through and calculating a perfectly reasonable probability based on collected data.
That it only has a chance at spawning at a single shop in the middle of an area screws mightily with the analysis.
forest falcon
🙀
high island
high island
48.37% to see Charon's bag when factoring in chance to miss mid-shop.
Wouldn't call that "mighty", but it's an effect.
dusky wedge
It’s always nice when Rare Crop and almost all your poms drops on your cast 
high island
Would be handy if intuition were anywhere near competent at gauging probability, though.
high island
It’s always nice when Rare Crop and almost all your poms drops on your cast <:sq...
So, what's the probability of getting that?
high island
I assume he's asking about Zag Spear.
high island
Ideally, you reset for Flurry Jab first hammer with pretty much the same build.
devout terrace
exploding launcher start is also viable
mostly on hades spear though
zagreus spear can be either worse achilles or worse hades
tall panther
my heat gauge on spear bugged
devout terrace
charged+exploding skewers combo is insanely powerful actually
devout terrace
one of the reasons people love guan, because it only needs charged skewer to do great damage
high island
If you're going into a race with no idea what hammer you'll get, I guess you could do either Tidal Dash start or Merciful End start.
I'd personally lean towards Tidal Dash, but I haven't been paying attention to Zag Spear meta.
tall panther
Yeah, I have been thinking of forcing merciful on this one
high island
Zag Spear races would usually decide on a first hammer before the run, which is probably gonna be Flurry Jab, and use a mod or seed to guarantee first hammer.
tall panther
yeah, we're not using the mod. That was already stated in the channel
also the 2 clear guy is against god mode
high island
But you said you'd share a save, so you could find a Flurry Jab seed and you all play that, for example.
marsh rivet
Racing without a seed is a bold choice. Hades is massively RNG dependent when it comes to comparing your speed against another run's speed
high island
Reason being that Flurry Jab and Exploding Launcher are so much better than all the other hammers on Zag Spear.
tall panther
But you said you'd share a save, so you could find a Flurry Jab seed and you all...
yeah, would rather not, it's not necessary, two of them are spear players, so I doubt I can beat them if both of them get ideal start
high island
You can beat them.
stray urchin
Hey, I know this is out of nowhere, but do I have to do anything special to get|| artemis bond?||
high island
Just gotta talk to her a lot.
marsh rivet
No spoilers required here btw
stray urchin
No spoilers required here btw
Wasn't sure
marsh rivet
No problem!
tall panther
Would it be viable to just go for cast build on spear?
stray urchin
Would it be viable to just go for cast build on spear?
On spear I'd rather go insta doom with athena ares
gray apex
Well you could
marsh rivet
In a blind race, I think Tidal Dash is probably the safest, fastest, lowest execution start
tall panther
On spear I'd rather go insta doom with athena ares
that was my original plan
marsh rivet
Merciful End has an incredibly realistic chance of just not happening, or happening in Elysium+
Neither of which really help you as without Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher, Zag spear does nothing
Pommed Tidal Dash early will at least keep you in the game if your friends get good hammer RNG and you don't.
high island
I'd say you're probably a point where learning to optimize your build and just getting better at the game is gonna matter a lot more than which specific build you're going for.
tall panther
so start of with the poseidon keepsake and then on asphodel move to pom blossom?
high island
Thunder Signet for Lightning Strike probably.
And get Static Discharge.
Maybe 1-2 poms on Static Discharge.
Though Tidal Dash probably takes priority.
marsh rivet
Yeah I like Zeus start as well but your damage output will suffer if you can't get Jolted or a hammer.
high island
I mean Thunder Signet in Asphodel, not start with it.
You'll also want Breaking Wave.
marsh rivet
Oh right. Yeah that works
high island
Zeus' Aid is great.
tall panther
k, So This should probably be enough
to aim for good hammer, if not fall back to zeus and poseidoon
high island
And a decent Cast. Then just rotate Dash-Strike x2 > Cast until you get Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher.
If you get Flurry Jab, just hold down Attack and mash Dash, pretty much.
marsh rivet
Not "if not". Poseidon/Zeus will be great regardless
high island
If you get Exploding Launcher, you can change your rotation to Dash-Strike x2 > Special unless your Cast is just better at that point.
So you'll want Infernal Soul for that to have plenty of bloodstones to throw around.
marsh rivet
If you get exploding Launcher, you're looking for Aphro or Artemis to fill in that slot (or any % bonus damage God)
high island
And yeah, there's no "if not". Tidal Dash, Lightning Strike, and Static Discharge would be the ideal combo for Flurry Jab on Zag Spear.
tall panther
k
tall panther
If you get exploding Launcher, you're looking for Aphro or Artemis to fill in th...
so demeter/athenna if not those forementioned?
fast willow
wait im really confused
i took an arty boon and arty and aphro had dialogue as if they were going to offer heart rend
but in the actual boon theres no heart rend
marsh rivet
so demeter/athenna if not those forementioned?
In your own God pool, Poseidon also has a massive special bonus
high island
I'd take Lady Athena's Cast over her Special no matter if I had Exploding Launcher, probably.
marsh rivet
But yeah anything works. It's hard to guarantee a God for that slot since you're starting Tidal Dash. I think it's still worth going Zeus into Asphodel. So just put whatever you can find in that slot
tall panther
k
high island
Just do a lot of runs, you'll get a better feeling for what works.
marsh rivet
Yeah what we're advising is the strongest build that will still work no matter what happens. There's a million optimizations you can figure out by just playing (usually depends on the boons you happen upon early on)
dusky wedge
So, what's the probability of getting that? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
A lot higher than I think, I did start with Demeter in the first place lmao 
chrome wharf
i took an arty boon and arty and aphro had dialogue as if they were going to off...
For a duo boon both of them would talk
marsh rivet
Most meme worthy is when Gods smack talk each other and their duo is crossed out from AP
chrome wharf
Dad says no, please pack up and leave
magic plover
Curious is it fair to assume it is actually possible to buy every item from the contractor? I thought I was almost done, but it just added a $3000 item which is a big demotivator. I've completed all the prophecies I only had these items to be completely done.
marsh rivet
It's very possible. Just keep playing. The super expensive stuff is there to reward people who've played the game for a really long time.
Not as a way to punish people who want to get everything (though I get that that's what it may seem like from your perspective)
Gem economy really picks up after you get the contractor perk that gives you gems per boss fight and when you get good at fishing, particularly in Styx (but also Tart)
(But really the grind you should be skeptical about is the last Resource Collector badge lol. Grand total Darkness cost is like 330k, plus a bunch of other resources)
lone kernel
Curious is it fair to assume it is actually possible to buy every item from the ...
I’m 396 runs in and don’t have them all. It’s like, every ten or so runs, get a cookie towards the end
dusky wedge
People need to learn that cosmetics are nothing in games
lone kernel
Those only relevant if you decide to be a sweaty tryhard
dusky wedge
It’s only there for long-time/ hardcore players
marsh rivet
People need to learn that cosmetics are nothing in games
25k Darkness Chaos theme for your victory screen is pretty dope ngl.
But yeah getting cosmetics you want to use is very different from getting every cosmetic
dusky wedge
Sure, but then, people complaining about how hard it is to get is 🤷♀️
marsh rivet
(people did, it used to be 50k)
brisk trail
completionist is for this game anyway, what are you gonna do? 64 heat?
marsh rivet
Eh, I think for most completionists 32 makes the most sense.
You can unlock all intended content by doing that
dusky wedge
Then, technically, only a handful of people did 100% the game? 
lone kernel
Then, technically, only a handful of people did 100% the game? <:shadeohboy:5204...
Once you get to 32, it gets kinda insane lol
The jump from 32 to 40 heat is worse than 16 to 32
gray apex
Can't be that bad
dusky wedge
I can’t even do 20 consistently yet, I can do it with a couple of weapons, other than that, still need that practice
olive meteor
I can’t even do 20 consistently yet, I can do it with a couple of weapons, other...
What's your best build?
I love coronacht with aspect of Rama and zeus thunder boons for my special - absolutely melts everybody
There's one Daedalus upgrade which increases the number of projectiles too
marsh rivet
Especially if you get the Zeus Tier 2s, it's not a bad build, but just a heads up that Thunder Flourish has a .2 second internal cooldown, so even with Relentless Volley you can only get 1 proc per special
(per enemy)
twin thistle
when budget eris rail
lone kernel
Can't be *that* bad
FO2
olive meteor
when budget eris rail
That with tidal dash 
dusky wedge
What's your best build?
Either Eris/Zeus/Poseidon or Demeter/Merciful End
olive meteor
Either Eris/Zeus/Poseidon or Demeter/Merciful End
I like the first one myself
high island
Best build is 
.
dusky wedge
I like the first one myself
Been trying Hades spear and Lucifer lately, those are my second favorites so far
Mechanically, Hades spear is fun, the rotation is fun
Lucifer with hammers is fun
twin thistle
triple
marsh rivet
Lucifer needs hammer singular to be good, and it's Triple Bomb lol. Flash Fire is dece, but it's more of a QoL hammer than game breaking
olive meteor
Speaking of which: triple bomb or great inferno
Triple bomb , very fun gameplay
fast willow
Best build is <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800882> <:courte5AphroHeart:85156...
aphro keepsake, 18 aphro boons, dusa companion, got it
olive meteor
slightly off topic - how do you get roles in here?
gray apex
#bot-commands @olive meteor
olive meteor
<#504373613965737984> <@!566885106300485632>
Thanks
high island
aphro keepsake, 18 aphro boons, dusa companion, got it
Yes.
marsh rivet
Wheels? Do you mean the spinning blades?
strong ridge
wheels in the room of politely placed gold pots
chrome wharf
Like the turning gears?
strong ridge
where do they go
chrome wharf
To the RNG
marsh rivet
Okay lol, good someone knew what they were referring to.
strong ridge
To the RNG
why
chrome wharf
how else do you get a different seed each run?
spare tiger
Best build is <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800882> <:courte5AphroHeart:85156...
Ok i know Weaken is nice and all
But what do you guys think makes Aphro so broken?
twin thistle
well smouldering air is op and big damage and less damage taken usually means you dont die before killing dad
marsh rivet
But what do you guys think makes Aphro so broken?
She has the biggest % bonus damage numbers in the game, only tied (effectively) with Artemis, but hers isn't tied to crit. Smoldering Air also very op
high island
But what do you guys think makes Aphro so broken?
LOVE CONQUERS EVERYTHING.
brisk trail
I'm at the last area before the surface where you need to give cerberus a treat or whatever. Is there a specific room i need to enter (random or otherwise) or do i just clear all of the rooms then beat the level boss?
high island
It's never in the first tunnel you enter. After that, it's random.
marsh rivet
You retain the option to clear all of the rooms if you'd like, but it's after 2-5 of the rooms.
Heavily stilted towards lower numbers of rooms
brisk trail
thanks
full nexus
If you want to go faster, picking the 2 minibosses doors first is faster
Since you won't get multiple waves of enemies in a wide room
brisk trail
thank you 👍
inland knot
does sudden rush work with charged shot? (daedalus aegis upgrades)
gray apex
Yes
inland knot
thank u
novel wasp
Best build is <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800882> <:courte5AphroHeart:85156...
Aphrodite Thigh build
lone kernel
is blizzard shot good or is it kind of a meme
lone kernel
its fun w mirage
but like
feels meh
i tried it w talos fists but that was just bad lol
high island
It's pretty good. Used to be very broken, like, "Hunting Blades and Crystal Clarity are cute" broken, but it's still very good now.
whole comet
Deadly reversal , with Athena dash u could pretty much have the bonus crit all the time, right?
novel wasp
without clarity its kinda ehhhh
high island
It's not that easy to keep up Deadly Reversal full-time with just Divine Dash.
novel wasp
is Hunting Baes still broken
the blender isnt as long lasting anymore in one patch i remembered
high island
You'd have to be exceptionally aggressive with Divine Dash to be actually deflecting that much. It's a bit easier actually with Divine Strike on Malphon.
high island
If it works like ME, yeah
It doesn't. You need to actually deflect an attack with it.
novel wasp
demeter is still my favorite fist though
dusky wedge
It doesn't. You need to actually deflect an attack with it.
Huh. Then how come ME works with just dashing all the time?
high island
Because for Merciful End you only need to hit them with an ability that can deflect.
gray apex
With Deadly Reversal you actually need to deflect something unlike ME
whole comet
Oh then it’s not that good
novel wasp
deadly reversal is lowtier imo
like its good to have but its not gamechanger like Merciful End
dusky wedge
Can still work with hunter’s mark, I guess?
high island
It's not bad, but Hunter Dash no longer being a requirement hurt the build a lot. Along with some other nerfs around the build.
dusky wedge
Yeah, and you just need one initial crit to continually getting subsequent crits
high island
All crits, yes.
dusky wedge
Which is from Deadly Reversal
novel wasp
It's not bad, but Hunter Dash no longer being a requirement hurt the build a lot...
or artemis generally gets nerfed into the soil since blood price
tall panther
It sometimes is fun to when you really sucked
Reminds me how I thought for good 40 runs that death defiance is a one time consumable that I have to buy every run
sour elk
I keep dying to Hades on my 32 heat clear attempt with Demeter fists when he has only one or two hits left