No don't I had a perfect arty nemesis build and just died to the champs after somehow losing 2 dd's to the bull
#h1-discussion
heady cypress
pure karma
Your first mistake was not playing any non-Arthur sword aspect with ME
ebon thistle
Finally beaten EM4 Hades for the first time 
marsh rivet
That's huge! Grats :3
ebon thistle
thanks
meager ridge
i do not know why buy i want to play hades again
even though i thought i gave up on it 2 weeks ago
this is a loop
am i dying of dementia or something
ebon thistle
Fun games have a tendency to pull you back for no real reason.
meager ridge
i'm still annoyed at the fact you need to escape 10 times to get the ending
that's pointless
imagine if you had to kill the final boss in enter the gungeon 10 times to get the ending
ok maybe not totally pointless
but still annoying
ebon thistle
Divine Cybermancy has its ending locked behind 4 full 10+ hours playthroughs.
(and its also bad)
ebon thistle
I was going to say that locking the
"""ending"""
behind 10 runs that can be cleared in 25~ minutes each
meager ridge
that's 250 minutes
ebon thistle
Is rather reasonable, as far as games go.
meager ridge
assuming you win every single one
also considering the previous runs you need to grind for better things
meager ridge
I was going to say that locking the
"""ending"""
behind 10 runs that can be c...
"ending"?
no
you mean there's more after the ending?
ebon thistle
There is enough content for around 150~ escape attempts (finishing the run is unneccesary)
But i was needlessly cheeky there, actual ending is indeed only 10 successful runs.
meager ridge
k
ebon thistle
I was just saying hades is pretty reasonable as far as story content goes
judging by achievements, i got the ending only 4 days after the first successful attempts.
meager ridge
k
ebon thistle
Compared to like, genshin impact that actually timegates its story behind actual weeks of farming, thats fine.
void vigil
no offense, but if you dont enjoy the game and you keep ragging on it, why do you keep coming back to it?
meager ridge
i have no idea
ebon thistle
Because the game is good, yo.
void vigil
roguelikes are not going to be for everyone by design because starting over from the beginning can be frustrating to some, but that is what the game and the games story is built around
it has a lot of content even past the ending
so if your aim is to see all of it while not enjoying the game itself, youre going to have a very bad time
meager ridge
well i do kind of enjoy it when i'm not smited by everything
meager ridge
who is your least favourite character in hades?
ebon thistle
T H E S E U S
meager ridge
mine is either dusa or theseus
void vigil
you could turn on god mode and farm deaths to get the damage reduction % to what you want so you have an easier time with the game and then maybe youll enjoy it
heady cypress
Finally after multiple hours of trying
ebon thistle
btw, are god-mode DR resets on successful attempt?
meager ridge
i turned on god mode once for the first hades kill fight and it felt cheap
heady cypress
Finally after multiple hours of trying
Got and selled a legendary boon my rng was terrible
devout terrace
mine is either dusa or theseus
Wtf did dusa do
void vigil
nope, it doesnt reset or go down, but you can counter it with the pact if you want
devout terrace
meager ridge
Wtf did dusa do
be extremely annoying
heady cypress
Btw does the dad fight change if you use his keepsake/call?
devout terrace
devout terrace
ebon thistle
Btw does the dad fight change if you use his keepsake/call?
You get funniest lines in the game.
but its the same
and keepsake works the same
void vigil
i turned on god mode once for the first hades kill fight and it felt cheap
i wouldnt say its cheap, its a feature of the game. i have a friend who played with god mode since the very beginning, some people just want to not bash their head against a difficult experience
and it seems like you really are, yet it seems like you keep coming back to it
heady cypress
You get funniest lines in the game.
BOY
tough swift
i use godmode bc while the game is fun it makes it easier to just focus more on the story w it on
heady cypress
Was that a Boulder? 
heady cypress
but its the same
Why did his attacks turn invisible then?
The animation almost completely disappeared
void vigil
lets uh... keep it clean shall we
meager ridge
lets uh... keep it clean shall we
this game is rated pegi 12
ebon thistle
Yea, i made a mistake of overestimating some the easiest ones and underestimating the bad heat options
meager ridge
you need to be 13 to join discord
heady cypress
this game is rated pegi 12
That's not the point tho
meager ridge
alright fine
devout terrace
heady cypress
It's 16 on ps4 btw
meager ridge
well to be fair playing with a heat factor worse than more trap damage is probably going to be like bashing my head into my neck with a hammer
devout terrace
ebon thistle
TBH if you can beat hades at 0 heat, you can beat him at around 16 heat with very little practice.
meager ridge
It's 16 on ps4 btw
which country are you from
heady cypress
well to be fair playing with a heat factor worse than more trap damage is probab...
Almost didn't see it haha
heady cypress
which country are you from
I'm german
meager ridge
I'm german
ok
meager ridge
TBH if you can beat hades at 0 heat, you can beat him at around 16 heat with ver...
are you high
because if you're not you're very good at acting like you are
ebon thistle
I mean, im bad at the game and i can clear 15 heat regularly, unless im actively ruining my own run.
especially if im using something like Chiron or Hestia
void vigil
youre probably not bad at the game then
heady cypress
because if you're not you're very good at acting like you are
He's not lying tho
You could probably get even more heat without making the fight any harder
void vigil
it depends on what modifiers you turn on as well
ebon thistle
Hell, funniest part is that Forced Overtime 1 turned out to be a decrease in difficulty for me.
raw herald
I find that hard to believe, but ok
ebon thistle
Its like
FO1 < no FO < FO2
heady cypress
You could probably get even more heat without making the fight any harder
Went to the pact to see how much you can get exactly, I have 40 heat with the easiest dad fight now so you just have to find a way to get to him under decent conditions
ebon thistle
Maybe its placebo but telegraphs in Hades are very slow
To the point i actively dodge myself INTO attacks :c
heady cypress
Hell, funniest part is that Forced Overtime 1 turned out to be a **decrease** in...
Idk if you have played hollow knight but it's the same for me with Grimm and nkg
ebon thistle
FO1 just brings them to a point i except them to be
heady cypress
To the point i actively dodge myself INTO attacks :c
I'm doing that a lot too, I just overestimate the iframes
ebon thistle
i didn't played hollow knight, but thanks for reminding me, its been on my "to finish" list for a long time now.
heady cypress
If i don't die from whatever im sick with right now first <:failbag:459075377814...
Sick?
heady cypress
Uh
Probably
Gute Besserung
Idk how to say it in English it's smth like good improvement(in terms of sickness)
heady cypress
i kinda enjoy this game when i escape
Then don't die
ebon thistle
I mean its fair, i too enjoy it more when i win
meager ridge
Then don't die
ebon thistle
Thats why i mostly stick to Chiron & Hestia
heady cypress
I mean its fair, i too enjoy it more when i win
I just don't like dying to theseus or dying when I'm close to get smth like a certain boon or sumn for a prophecy/trophy
ebon thistle
Always kill Theseus first so you can respectfully die to Asterius worst case scenario 
meager ridge
kill asterius first so you don't get smited by both thesus' god thing and asterius charging at you
heady cypress
Always kill Theseus first so you can respectfully die to Asterius worst case sce...
That's such a good idea
But how am I going to survive p2 theseus while asterius is alive?
heady cypress
kill asterius first so you don't get smited by both thesus' god thing and asteri...
That's what everyone usually does
ebon thistle
(Yea realistically speaking Asterius is bigger danger in that fight so he should go first)
heady cypress
i will say that the game has good art and music
In the blood
God of the dead
And ||Zagreus hymn|| are my favs
heady cypress
(Yea realistically speaking Asterius is bigger danger in that fight so he should...
Unless youre playing Rama, cuz then it's better to just oneshot them asap
meager ridge
all i want to do is just get my escape attempt over with but i have to listen to this dialogue
heady cypress
You could technically skip it but that's a crime
heady cypress
No >:3
meager ridge
yes
devout terrace
Just do what you want
meager ridge
time to not escape
twin thistle
no matter how many times I talk to ares and dio after doing their favors they wont unlock the hearts
dialogue rng
heady cypress
Artemis favor took me multiple days lmao
reef zodiac
all i want to do is just get my escape attempt over with but i have to listen to...
If you view playing the game as “getting this over with” then you should stop playing the game.
ebon thistle
I've read that as "getting over it" and instantly imagined Zagreus in a pot climbing out of Tartarus with Stygius
marsh rivet
I've read that as "getting over it" and instantly imagined Zagreus in a pot clim...
... this is fantastic
cloud apex
marsh rivet
I don't have the requisite artistic powers but we need this to happen. Where's cgull
cloud apex
And then of course Hades himself poking fun at Zag with inspirational quotes
twin thistle
when controller doesnt register pressing fishing button
heady cypress
And then of course Hades himself poking fun at Zag with inspirational quotes
And hypnos TRYING to motivate him
cloud apex
"Have you tried not riding the hydra?"
heady cypress
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> when controller doesnt register pressing fishing bu...
Be grateful that it's only r1 on yours, my X is basically dead cuz I'm pressing it way too often
ebon thistle
and much like with 50 heat there are at least one madlad who's speerunning that
marsh rivet
Lol, real talk 50 sword is basically exactly getting over it
ebon thistle
What was the last world record on Getting Over It? like 40 seconds?
heady cypress
What was the last world record on Getting Over It? like 40 seconds?
A couple of frames to be accurate
Literally
You can shoot yourself to the top
ebon thistle
i assume that would be TAS?
ebon thistle
last i've seen was 1:02
heady cypress
Watched it a while ago I don't remember that lol
spare tiger
Glitch and Glitchless are completely different demons
meager ridge
how do i get charon's loyalty card
spare tiger
BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM
and by that i mean steal from him and beat him as a boss fight
meager ridge
another boss???
spare tiger
you can only steal from normal shops, the money bag doesnt spawn in pre boss shops
spare tiger
careful though, he hits like a freighter
luckily his attacks are pretty slow to come out and arent hard to dodge
meager ridge
careful though, he hits like a freighter
WHAAAT?
spare tiger
50 damage hits.
meager ridge
who the hell programmed hades
spare tiger
Charon don't play
spare tiger
ask one of the fine 5 supergiant members who are currently online
meager ridge
just got hit again
spare tiger
they'll know better than i do
meager ridge
now i'm down to 100/125
25 health is practically the difference between life and death in this game
OH COME ON
now i'm down to 75 health
down to 70 health
now down to 84/150
how do i steal from charon
fickle fox
Yes
meager ridge
what the hell?
fickle fox
I hate to break it to you but there's lots locked behind RNG in this game
meager ridge
do supergiant just have rng in their bloodstream?
meager ridge
I hate to break it to you but there's lots locked behind RNG in this game
i know
i found out
the hard way
you shouldn't have to kill hades 10 times to get the ending
twin thistle
when cant get epilogue cuz dialogue rng
meager ridge
WHAAAT
void vigil
if youre skipping all the story, you shouldnt care about the ending anyway? beating the final boss is an accomplishment enough, no?
meager ridge
EVEN AN EPILOGUE IS LOCKED BEHIND RNG?
brisk trail
whats rng
meager ridge
whats rng
random number generation
basically the chances for things to happen in video games
brisk trail
yeah how is the ending rng
meager ridge
if youre skipping all the story, you shouldnt care about the ending anyway? <:th...
true, but i just want to get the ending so this thing stops teasing me
twin thistle
cuz ares and dio wont give me their favor dialogues
its mostly a problem if youre clearing quickly and not exhausting their regular dialogue pools
ebon thistle
Im afraid to ask what games are you even played in the last N years
hades structured in a weird way where story is almost 100% as long as it would take you to get out 10 times
twin thistle
well unless youve already played through it and grinding on a new file 
ebon thistle
Thats not what i mean
meager ridge
portal 2, terraria, minecraft, risk of rain 2 (regret), postal 2, borderlands, cruelty squad
just to name a few in the past 3 years
ebon thistle
Im saying if you not finished with the main story by the run 100, its possible you still will get a new dialogues.
And its highly unlikely that it happens
meager ridge
wow
meager ridge
they put more effort into the dialogue than the game
random kestrel
and i just get annihalated when i use sword
ebon thistle
the dialogues is the game
twin thistle
well yeah i mean i have too much dialogue backed up so its hard to get the ones i want
meager ridge
also i just lost a death defiance in asphodel from those things that shoot purple testicles at you or something
twin thistle
well theres also a game thats cool to play
meager ridge
there were 5 of them
ebon thistle
Quick question - are you dash striking often?
twin thistle
how do you use melee weapons like the sword
sword pattern is generally dash strike > dash strike > special
meager ridge
yes
ebon thistle
Dash strikes don't have i-frames.
meager ridge
i also dash more than dash striking
random kestrel
imo
twin thistle
sword pattern is generally dash strike > dash strike > special
if you have more than 2 dashes then dash strike till you run out then special
ebon thistle
Just thought i should've warned you just in case, not knowing i didn't had i-frames was my main mistakes for a very long time.
twin thistle
cuz fishing good
meager ridge
no it isn't
twin thistle
then dont fish
meager ridge
i like cruelty squad but its fishing is bad
random kestrel
"fishing makes any game good" - jo i think
ebon thistle
Its a game about fighting with your dad, of COURSE there are fishing
meager ridge
but i do it anyways for money in that game
ebon thistle
thats the most dad thing in the world
void vigil
then you dont have to fish, or buy the fishing rod. the beauty of this game is that you dont even have to talk to most characters and that too is a valid way to play the game, though youll miss out on features
ebon thistle
Yea the fishing is like 100% ignorable reaction mini-game
meager ridge
thank god
that dialogue droned on for ages
just lost another death defiance
i can already tell i'm not winning this
AND ANOTHER ONE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AND ANOTHER ONE???
TO A TRAP?????
I'VE ALREADY LOST
vagrant grove
just hope patty saves you
marsh rivet
Lol just saying, you're not going to garner that much empathy for your distaste of the story and dialogue here.
vagrant grove
meager ridge
Lol just saying, you're not going to garner that much empathy for your distaste ...
alright
vagrant grove
Lol just saying, you're not going to garner that much empathy for your distaste ...
is not liking the story a really unpopular opinion, I'm relatively new to the community
marsh rivet
... i mean it's a story driven game lol, so yeah.
vagrant grove
true, I guess
marsh rivet
Obv people can like or dislike whatever, but it was more a warning that it might rub people the wrong way.
To be so... matter of fact about it.
Shrug, c'est la vie, chase your own bliss.
meager ridge
oh, screw this
i give up
i can't win at this
it'd be easier to go outside during a landslide and dodge dust
vagrant grove
what are you struggling with?
meager ridge
what are you struggling with?
everything
traps
enemies
defusing a bomb without fingers would be easier than this
lone kernel
Sooner or later you’ll win tho that’s the whole point. No shame in using god mode
meager ridge
you know what, fine
vagrant grove
well, the game isn't for everyone. look for tips from other players if you still want to give the game a chance, but otherwise, nobody is forcing you to play it. like Lando said, no shame in using God Mode to learn the game before turning it off when you're more experienced
fickle fox
If you focused on the game instead of updating discord every two minutes you'd likely do better
meager ridge
if the game is going to be cheap with how it kills me, i'm going to be cheap towards how i kill hades
fickle fox
You can also read this as "Please. Please stop updating this discord every two minutes."
vagrant grove
oh boy time for another discord argument 🍿
meager ridge
after all, no price is too steep for victory, especially in the race to the bottom
anyways, i'm gonna go wash some dishes
vagrant grove
thank the gods that didn't escalate into a screaming match
lone kernel
fickle fox
*thank the gods that didn't escalate into a screaming match*
WHAT
I couldn't think of anything aggressive enough to be starting an argument but not so aggressive as to actually be funny and not insulting
vagrant grove
twin thistle
dont step in them
high island
They do 100 if you use HL5 lol.
vagrant grove
100 damage from theseus missiles mm
white merlin
bruh
marsh rivet
... how does one kill Hades "cheaply"? A clear is a clear lol. What, is Hades going to be a salt lord afterwards saying "Hey, I was trying to kill you if you didn't play like such a lame-o."
white merlin
got clipped by a bomb, guess ill just lose 50 lol
so who am i supposed to target first? chariot or bull?
vagrant grove
usually bull imo
chariot disrupts the "normal" boss fight of the bull, but once Asterius is vanquished, Theseus is an easy target
marsh rivet
Also because killing Asterius during the god call phase is kind of a big ask
high island
You want to focus on Asterius first, most of the time, but whenever Theseus is just standing around and talking to the crowd, you definitely want to get some hits on him because Asterius will chase you there anyway, so you'll probably hit both.
fickle fox
I try to get them both together and just kill them at the same time
Concentrate on Theseus slightly more, then during the invulnerable phase hit Asterius down to his invulnerable phase.
Then kill Theseus, then the bull pretty much seconds later
vagrant grove
The bull is a dps test 70% of the time with acorn, I just kill the bull first because it's usually faster than chasing theseus while the bull is spinning
fickle fox
Just focus on killing Hades and dashing through the green thing
Athena dash is busto just take that
If I was trying to win streak I would just equip owl for every run and reroll into Dash
vagrant grove
whats the strat for hades skull spam?
try to destroy the skulls as much as you can so shockwaves won't spawn, if you have a skull in you, dont get hit
white merlin
ahh i choked
vagrant grove
it doubles the damage done to you
white merlin
gotta try for cold fusion next time
fickle fox
I want a bot that can just summon game text. [[Cold Fusion]]
high island
Be the bot you want to see in the world.
fickle fox
Is there an issue with putting bots on the discord or something? I could look into it if not.
And if people actually think that would be useful
white merlin
d'oh
i was saving my companion uses for hades, but they dont even work on him
damn
marsh rivet
I have to imagine they don't want random people to put bots into the discord, but you could probably ask the community coordinator for SGG, it would be a hugely positive feature lol
vagrant grove
||you can only use one on hades even when you eventually are able to use them||
just use the companions on bosses and minibosses until then
fickle fox
||I literally just unlocked this and haven't yet done a run with it active||
twin thistle
you can use skelly and bouldy on him before the unlock but tbh they wont be as helpful anyways
vagrant grove
the food saved me once, but after that I just maxed Battie and Mort and Shady was just not as good
white merlin
the em3 keeps soaking all my DD
vagrant grove
acorn saves you a lot of pain
high island
It's good for blocking 20 damage from the Dire Soulcatcher.
twin thistle
when the whole screen is just nothing but butterflies
high island
Actually not sure what EM4 versions are called. Superdire?
vagrant grove
EM4 makes Hades (the boss) way harder, that's kind of a given, but it just adds so much to the fight
minibosses, Hades healing, the third phase, new attack patterns
lone kernel
roll with it lol
vagrant grove
lone kernel
Tartarus duos are fun
vagrant grove
build around it, it's still early
twin thistle
em4 is just pain at high heat
vagrant grove
two 160 damage spins
fickle fox
Which one
high island
Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
fickle fox
But generally yes
marsh rivet
everthang
twin thistle
ye
white merlin
bro.
twin thistle
well like not uhhh summons, explosive return, other things idk
marsh rivet
Yeah
twin thistle
but hangover and doom can crit
marsh rivet
Yep
reef zodiac
Pressure Points is a very good boon, especially when combined with Hunter’s Mark
white merlin
thats wild
signal aspen
pp is good
marsh rivet
Yep, the classic combo. PP + Hunter's Mark makes it so you basically have 100% crit chance provided you keep switching targets (and you have to wait for the first natural crit)
white merlin
i thought it was only attack/special/cast
thats wild
crit lighting on the fist seems like cheating
reef zodiac
Yep, the classic combo. PP + Hunter's Mark makes it so you basically have 100% ...
Well HM doesn’t have 100% unless it’s like lvl 10 Heroic or something but yeah the number is quite high
twin thistle
well 2% crit chance means like a 4% overall damage increase
so ya need huntermark to make it worth
marsh rivet
Multiplicative bonuses in the game are exceptionally rare, so even if PP is only net like 6-8% global damage or whatever, it's multiplicative so that's pretty dece
meager ridge
i'm back
random kestrel
hangover and doom are the best
meager ridge
i took some more time because i was preparing food for food tech tomorrow
signal aspen
welcome back fred
random kestrel
hangover on gun attack and doom on special is a deadly build
marsh rivet
Well HM doesn’t have 100% unless it’s like lvl 10 Heroic or something but yeah t...
lol, I actually don't know the Hunter's Mark percentages off the top of my head. I kind of just assume whatever you do will crit
reef zodiac
At common it’s only 30% actually
white merlin
can support fire arrows crit?
signal aspen
yeah
reef zodiac
Like Zeus’s boons?
signal aspen
zeus is good
reef zodiac
Zeus is definitely a top 4 god in the game. Best god for a lot of weapons
marsh rivet
Zeus is similar to Dio and Ares in that he's flat damage, but Zeus is kind of just better (but more boon dependent)
signal aspen
zeus wants more zeus
random kestrel
i have bad boon opinions - i usually avoid zeus, artemis, aphrodite
reef zodiac
Static Discharge is one of the best boons in the game
fickle fox
Zeus + Poseidon is a good combo for the rail
signal aspen
i have bad boon opinions - i usually avoid zeus, artemis, aphrodite
bruh
fickle fox
Apparently
random kestrel
i use gun if that gives any insight
fickle fox
I suck with the rail
reef zodiac
i have bad boon opinions - i usually avoid zeus, artemis, aphrodite
Top 3 best aggressive gods in the game
lone kernel
Zeus is good if you get like, jolted and a few tier 2s. Billowing also super good as is smoldering air w aphro and if u get his legendary w fists or rail you win
reef zodiac
i use gun if that gives any insight
Zeus is by far the best god to put on rail attack (unless it’s Hestia or Spread Fire)
twin thistle
zeus/aphro is amazing on rail
fickle fox
Aim for Zeus Attack, Poseidon Duo, and Jolted stuff
twin thistle
arty/aphro is amazing on hestia and with spread fire zag yeah
random kestrel
aphrodite just makes foes do less damage, artemis is just bad for rail bc a crit doesnt matter
maybe im wrong abt aphrodite?
twin thistle
aphro has the highest base dmg multiplier
marsh rivet
Zeus is by far the best god to put on rail attack (unless it’s Hestia or Spread ...
There is an asterisk on this. Hangover is a 1 boon build, so it's a pretty common choice if you have AP and/or no rerolls
reef zodiac
aphrodite just makes foes do less damage, artemis is just bad for rail bc a crit...
Aphrodite has the best damage %s in the game, crit makes a huge difference actually, and is especially good on fast weapons
twin thistle
and opens up heart rend and smouldering air which are some of the best duos
reef zodiac
There is an asterisk on this. Hangover is a 1 boon build, so it's a pretty comm...
Yeah I was gonna say that
random kestrel
is crit any good on rail if its just many small attacks?
reef zodiac
is crit any good on rail if its just many small attacks?
Yes.
random kestrel
like wouldnt smth liike hangover be better tho
reef zodiac
Yeah
twin thistle
on hestia and spread fire zag aspect
lone kernel
is crit any good on rail if its just many small attacks?
Can’t hurt but like, Artemis attack rail kinda meh. However Artemis special is money
marsh rivet
Crit is also really good on every Rail's special
twin thistle
those have much bigger attacks
reef zodiac
But Zeus is better than hangover because Jolted
heady cypress
How many runs did you need to max your keepsakes?
reef zodiac
Unless you’re using AP2
random kestrel
artemis has support fire tho which is fire
fickle fox
Jolted is amazing
heady cypress
I'm Already at +100 and I'm still missing about 10 keepsakes
reef zodiac
artemis has support fire tho which is fire
Ehhhh
twin thistle
also artemis works well on rail special for good damage
fickle fox
I'm approaching 100 runs and I'm kind of close
reef zodiac
Support Fire is alright at best tbh
reef zodiac
Also how can you hate Zeus on rail but love Support Fire? 
raw herald
It's ok
marsh rivet
It's a ton of free damage, kills small targets and last hits things like a boss, clears DC hearts, and builds a crap ton of call charge
fickle fox
I'm Already at +100 and I'm still missing about 10 keepsakes
I strongly suggest just grabbing all the keepsakes as fast as possible
reef zodiac
Zeus is just better support Fire that also can apply jolted
random kestrel
ok maybe ill adjust my boons
signal aspen
support fire is cool
random kestrel
ill try out zeus on rail
reef zodiac
Wym?
heady cypress
I strongly suggest just grabbing all the keepsakes as fast as possible
No I meant that I don't have everything maxed
raw herald
Every time your cast hits/every time you attack
heady cypress
I have every bond maxed except for 3 or 4
raw herald
Instead of the opposite
random kestrel
also i use eris on rail, is that better than hestia?
reef zodiac
Oh lol yeah
twin thistle
meme beams proccing sf every tick
marsh rivet
Zeus is just better support Fire that also can apply jolted
I mean... yeah technically, but they're really far from mutually exclusive. You already want Artemis on Special
reef zodiac
also i use eris on rail, is that better than hestia?
No they’re both amazing
fickle fox
No I meant that I don't have everything maxed
Ah, then you're probably quite similar to me.
reef zodiac
I mean... yeah technically, but they're really far from mutually exclusive. You...
Right I was only commenting on how they said they love SF but dislike Zeus
marsh rivet
Yeah that is a weird take :3 Agreed.
twin thistle
for hestia my go to build is arty attack, aphro special, get heart rend, and attack/dash attack dmg increases
fickle fox
And I've been focusing on getting them maxed. If you started with every keepsake and escaped every time it works take about 3-4 runs with each keepsake.
marsh rivet
Even when I was brand spankin' new to the game I saw all the bolts going everywhere and went "teehee, this is dope"
twin thistle
or just put on shackle and your build is complete 
fickle fox
Assuming you didn't take too many free rooms
raw herald
I don't bother with HR on Hestia
reef zodiac
I way prefer Aphrodite attack over Artemis attack on Hestia
raw herald
I'd much rather have smoldering
heady cypress
Ah, then you're probably quite similar to me.
Started doing all 5 "rooms"? in styx after realizing that the small rooms work too for the keepsakes, that'll probably help you too
twin thistle
but big numbers
reef zodiac
And yeah Heart Rend isn’t really worth much for Hestia tbh
twin thistle
smh
signal aspen
big number
marsh rivet
hot take Heart Rend kinda poopy
twin thistle
just get both. ez
raw herald
When you crit for 2100 but the enemy has 14 health left on armour
reef zodiac
hot take Heart Rend kinda poopy
How about on Chiron?
raw herald
It's only good on nem
heady cypress
And I've been focusing on getting them maxed. If you started with every keepsake...
Dont you only need like 70 fights to max it?
raw herald
I'll stand by that
signal aspen
How about on Chiron?
what about arty cast beowulf
reef zodiac
Heart Rend is amazing for Chiron
marsh rivet
I mean yeah it has uses but people herald Heart Rend as like one of the best duos and it kind of just... isn't?
raw herald
Yeah
reef zodiac
what about arty cast beowulf
Arty cast 
raw herald
Athena cast DR MS
twin thistle
best for crit aspects*** then oh there are only two 
reef zodiac
I mean yeah it has uses but people herald Heart Rend as like one of the best duo...
Oh yeah it’s definitely not the level of good that people seem to think it is
meager ridge
ok i healed back to full health after tartarus
fickle fox
Dont you only need like 70 fights to max it?
That sounds about right. Not every floor is a fight, there's about 8 floors that simply don't count at all every run, plus a free extras like mid shop, fountains, and event rooms
raw herald
Hunting blades is a better duo
meager ridge
maybe this attempt won't be so bad
raw herald
Than HR
random kestrel
demeter cast is broken
marsh rivet
I like big chungus numbers as much as the next guy but usually by the time you have the weak applied to something, a normal crit will kill the enemy, or strip the armor. Heart Rend has a tendency to overkill. It's nice on bosses though
reef zodiac
demeter cast is broken
Not really. Unless you mean it’s bugged
fickle fox
I like it with the Duo that makes it turn really fast
And then there's a boon that makes it last like forever. No idea if it's a duo or what though
raw herald
I like it with the duo that makes it aim at you - said no one ever
heady cypress
That sounds about right. Not every floor is a fight, there's about 8 floors that...
4 runs still sound a bit too much, ig you're assuming that the runs don't make it to styx?
reef zodiac
Crystal Clarity is a good boon
fickle fox
They might be the same boon
random kestrel
Not really. Unless you mean it’s bugged
the three lasers does like 300 damage per second
reef zodiac
No?
random kestrel
i thought?
reef zodiac
Maybe at level 9
fickle fox
4 runs still sound a bit too much, ig you're assuming that the runs don't make i...
No, I am assuming they're escaping
I might be overestimating
But I don't think by much
reef zodiac
the three lasers does like 300 damage per second
I’ll promise you it’s not “too good”
fickle fox
I think I've had Beams do 50 damage/second
heady cypress
But I don't think by much
More like 2-3 if you do as much fights as possible?
random kestrel
mb at rare it does 48 per second per laser
reef zodiac
I think I've had Beams do 50 damage/second
Yes level 1 epic beams do that much I believe
marsh rivet
the three lasers does like 300 damage per second
You may want to show your work on that lol. 8 dmg every .2 seconds, assuming perfect uptime (this is the biggest assumption in the universe of assumptions) x 3...
twin thistle
meme beams can do a crap ton of damage but you need alot of boons to make it work
random kestrel
You may want to show your work on that lol. 8 dmg every .2 seconds, assuming pe...
i just redid work
white merlin
huh?
random kestrel
its like 300 per two seconds
white merlin
anyway
random kestrel
at rare
fickle fox
150/s is decent but not absurd
marsh rivet
sea storm and lightning rod?
It is easily one of the best combos
reef zodiac
its like 300 per two seconds
Right but it’s very hard to get them to shoot the same target with 100% of the time for two straight seconds. And even then, that’s less damage than most other casts
white merlin
yay
marsh rivet
Zeus Poseidon are butt buddies
white merlin
carried by my boons
random kestrel
Right but it’s very hard to get them to shoot the same target with 100% of the t...
well most bosses dont move that often
except mino
reef zodiac
well most bosses dont move that often
That’s actually false
random kestrel
hydra and hades
reef zodiac
Hades moves a lot
random kestrel
dont really move too much
marsh rivet
Also keep in mind he probably doesn't have FO2 on, so he may be kind of right
reef zodiac
I guess
random kestrel
i mean he stays in place for like 3 secs at a time
white merlin
bruh hades bout to get sent to the shadow realm
marsh rivet
Either way, your point is actually more valid if you have Crystal Clarity. That boon is nuts (it actually does give you realistic uptime on Crystal Beam lol)
The biggest cost for Clarity is that you need to pick Crystal Beam first womp womp
reef zodiac
But even FO0, you’re basically never gonna get 2 seconds straight of perfect damage on any boss other than Lernie without Crystal Clarity. Even *with Crystal Clarity you probably won’t tbh
random kestrel
well ice beam was what helped me beat hades for the first time
fickle fox
You can manipulate Hades so that it hits him for quite a while
random kestrel
Also keep in mind he probably doesn't have FO2 on, so he may be kind of right
FO2?
steady geyser
Just realized, buying more uses of companion shady is sweet. Costs 40, gives 30. Basically paying 10g for 10 darkness and healing
marsh rivet
Forced Overtime 2, makes all animations and projectiles 40% faster
reef zodiac
well ice beam was what helped me beat hades for the first time
Yeah, there damage doesn’t matter, all the matters is that you can do damage while far away
signal aspen
But even FO0, you’re basically never gonna get 2 seconds straight of perfect dam...
ok but what about theseus second phase
reef zodiac
ok but what about theseus second phase
I guess that’s true
But also that’s the easiest part of the fight assuming Asterius is dead
random kestrel
Yeah, there damage doesn’t matter, all the matters is that you can do damage whi...
yeah i main ranged weapons bc im scared of running in
._.
marsh rivet
Theseus second phase, he looks at you very quickly, so even if you time it so the lasers are hitting him when he becomes vulnerable, then kite behind him so he's looking away from the lasers, I guess if you position all 3 of them like, in the same spot maaayyybe you could arrange that to work, with FO0? Eh?
This is like, so magical christmas land theorycrafting though
marsh rivet
Yeah
reef zodiac
When he doesn’t even have his shield out
fickle fox
Yeah, I've never found a problem with it against Theseus
He's also extremely slow
So you just drop them and dash through him
reef zodiac
No it sucks against Theseus
twin thistle
just dont use infernal soul with meme beams smh
reef zodiac
I don’t
meager ridge
ok i'm still full death defiance full health after asphodel
this attempt might be alright
random kestrel
just drop rail specials with doom on him
reef zodiac
That’s so boring
random kestrel
i mean you do that, dash into impact behind him to get eris bonus, and shoot him full of lead
reef zodiac
Rail special with doom is insanely bad
random kestrel
no??
signal aspen
it is
signal aspen
aphro or artemis
reef zodiac
It’s super terrible
twin thistle
yeah
signal aspen
it has good base damage so high % damage boons are good on it
twin thistle
rail special has good base damage and if you get good hammers itll be even better
marsh rivet
Rail special with doom is insanely bad
... not insanely lol. Doom can get really big numbers
Obv you'd prefer % but I'm not going to be sad at epic doom on special
reef zodiac
I will be
random kestrel
k ty all i have become enlightened
twin thistle
tried merciful end hestia once lol
reef zodiac
Literally worse than shackle
random kestrel
also just noticed pancakes profile is mantis lords fight nice
signal aspen
tried merciful end hestia once lol
MEstia
reef zodiac
also just noticed pancakes profile is mantis lords fight nice
112% & P5 baby
random kestrel
112% & P5 baby
110% and P2 baby 🥲
reef zodiac
signal aspen
ok
marsh rivet
Literally worse than shackle
common doom is already 60 damage, so that's 100% increase? (I actually can't remember off the top of my head, is Rail special 60?)
reef zodiac
Yes
marsh rivet
How is it literally worse then lmao
reef zodiac
But rocket, cluster, and hazard
raw herald
And then when you get any special hammer, doom becomes bad
reef zodiac
Or even special speed
signal aspen
random kestrel
But rocket, cluster, and hazard
i dont have that kind of luck
marsh rivet
Right? These people and their perfect build privilege I swear
reef zodiac
i dont have that kind of luck
That’s three hammers. You’ve never seen any of those hammers before?
random kestrel
ive gotten 3 hammers in a run like twice ever
reef zodiac
signal aspen
you ever just get rocket cluster hazard bomb from an anvil
reef zodiac
Hazard Clockets
random kestrel
i like to use the one where you can shoot 3 missiles
more than cluster
bc you can hit bosses 3 times
signal aspen
better than hitting them 5 times
reef zodiac
bc you can hit bosses 3 times
But cluster can hit bosses 5 times
marsh rivet
Rocket bomb by itself is fine, it makes the damage 80, which means doom is still great. Cluster by itself is fine, you spread the doom further. tt doesn't stack, so it's not ideal, but far from bad. Yes if you ahve rocket cluster you're wasting a ton of damage, but like... rocket cluster with no boon in the slot can still blind solo a run so who cares
raw herald
Cluster is really good with rocket tho
reef zodiac
Triple is meh at best
signal aspen
very poggers
random kestrel
But cluster can hit bosses 5 times <:kinfused:739608022296428566>
o mb im small brain
still new to rail
reef zodiac
Rocket bomb by itself is fine, it makes the damage 80, which means doom is still...
Worse than shackle though
Which was my argument
signal aspen
i should do a shackle run
reef zodiac
It’s also worse than every other special boon except Zeus
signal aspen
but pick up a bunch of boons
reef zodiac
And Dio
raw herald
random kestrel
Worse than shackle though
what does shackle do again?
high island
Doom is actually pretty good on anything.
reef zodiac
Doom on Arthur attack?
raw herald
+100% special attack n cast if no boon on it
signal aspen
Doom on Arthur attack?
yeah just do ME
high island
Yeah, Curse of Agony Excalibur is pretty good.
raw herald
I'll take epic doom attack on something like Zeus shield
reef zodiac
Doom on Rama attack is “pretty good”?
random kestrel
doom on rail attack without stack bad
high island
Yeah it is.
raw herald
Or high heat beo
marsh rivet
Yeah pretty sure you're underselling flat damage lol. Also just because better options could exist given better circumstances doesn't mean something is bad
high island
I guess the only thing is Demeter Aspect Curse of Pain... that's actually pretty bad.
raw herald
Gilga special
reef zodiac
Yeah pretty sure you're underselling flat damage lol. Also just because better ...
So doom on Rama attack is pretty good then?
marsh rivet
Doom on Rama attack is “pretty good”?
Honestly, if I have a Point Blank + Perfect Shot run, obv I'd prefer Arty attack but I'm not complaining about Doom
raw herald
Double doom
reef zodiac
What?? Regardless of hammers it would be better to have literally anything (beside Zeus or Dio)
That’s not “pretty good”, if there’s that many options that are much better
high island
That doesn't mean it's bad.
random kestrel
doom on rail attack without stack bad
WITH stack tho.....
reef zodiac
I’d rather have common Demeter attack by a mile
marsh rivet
If you define your runs by what you'd rather have no wonder high heat makes you miserable
signal aspen
you should do raME
reef zodiac
It is really bad
radiant shuttle
from the rail gun , i like the special triple fast shot very much . aswel the basic attack tracer shots .. the rail gun , with right mods and god boost is a favorite of mine
high island
marsh rivet
Look, obviously I'm not advocating for taking Blood Vial to take Curse of Agony on Rama. But it's like... very far from bad to just happen on it if RNG doesn't give you what you want multiple times in a row
Damage is damage
high island
I'd be happy to get Curse of Agony on Rama with AP2.
raw herald
I'd rather get zoos attack
reef zodiac
I'd be happy to get Curse of Agony on Rama with AP2.
I’d intentionally die and retry if I’m still in Tart
raw herald
Jolted 
signal aspen
jolted makes everything good
reef zodiac
Honestly jolted does pom way better than doom now that I think about it
radiant shuttle
lady winter , for shill effect and special on all enemies frozen ,., hmmm
raw herald
Just need epic RD and a dream
high island
Yeah, but I'd already have won a run by the time you're still looking for that optimal AP2 build.
random kestrel
whats jolted
marsh rivet
i've finished RI0 AP1 Rama runs with level 1 common Divine Strike lol. Just play with what you're given.
reef zodiac
Yeah, but I'd already have won a run by the time you're still looking for that o...
Nyaa if you beat 50 heat with curse of agony from at least Chamber 17 forward, then you win this argument.
signal aspen
well now shes gonna do it
reef zodiac
i've finished RI0 AP1 Rama runs with level 1 common Divine Strike lol. Just pla...
Divine strike is easily twice as good as curse of agony
radiant shuttle
plenty of doors to find with pom or hammer , unless yer take the blind from chaos
raw herald
Yep
marsh rivet
Nyaa if you beat 50 heat with curse of agony from at least Chamber 17 forward, t...
Lol I did Hestia at 52 with Curse of Agony
high island
I wasn't arguing. I was trying to give advice.
marsh rivet
For the record I didn't choose it, I just ran with it
reef zodiac
Lol I did Hestia at 52 with Curse of Agony
Yeah it’s much better on Hestia than on Rama because Shared Suffering
Plus you can’t really afford to wait a over full second for your enemy to die with Rama
raw herald
I got a sub 10 at 32 heat with doom attack hestia
reef zodiac
Since you have to be so close to it
Curse of Agony isn’t even that bad on Hestia honestly. It’s so so much worse on Rama
Rama is fine with any % boon though
marsh rivet
I'd take Rare+ Curse of Agony 10/10 times over Tempest Strike every day of the week
reef zodiac
I honestly wouldn’t
raw herald
I would
random kestrel
wait hestia like the aspect for rail
raw herald
Tempest strike sucks so bad
reef zodiac
At least tempest strike works with shared suffering
raw herald
wait hestia like the aspect for rail
Yes
random kestrel
ah
marsh rivet
60% of 0 is 0 lmao
raw herald
Exactly what I was gonna say LMAO
reef zodiac
What?
So what you’re saying is that you don’t use shared suffering with doom attack?
Because that has much lower damage than tempest strike
marsh rivet
... dude shared suffering still affects your base attack damage lol
It's not like that just goes away
reef zodiac
Right, and it get increased by Tempest Strike
marsh rivet
good to know
reef zodiac
It’s not 60% of 0
reef zodiac
It’s 60% of 162
Instead of 60% of 125
In what world does taking tempest strike reduce your attack damage to 0? I’m just a little confused how that’s happening
twin thistle
so uh does breaching slash work in dash strikes 
reef zodiac
Yes
twin thistle
noice
reef zodiac
Great. So it gives an extra 59 damage to the enemy you attack and 22 to any other enemies with shared suffering
And doesn’t have the doom cooldown
And that improves with poms
marsh rivet
Rama charge time is .8-1 seconds, Doom timer is 1.1 seconds. They aren't even that different
reef zodiac
That’s dash strike charge time?
marsh rivet
Yes
reef zodiac
Ok. Well assuming you don’t mind losing 0.3 seconds on every single attack, you’re still literally losing damage if you give more than one enemy shared suffering
And if you only give it to one enemy, then doom is literally only one damage better
And again, it improves much better with poms as well
And it can potentially apply rupture which is a nice bonus against bosses
There’s basically no situation where doom is better
meager ridge
i'm back
marsh rivet
Doom can also apply to non-power shots, which is great against small things. Also Rama's attack is a massive AoE so you know... htiting multiple things organically is a really common occurrence anyway?
reef zodiac
Sure, if you hit multiple things then you get twice the shared suffering bonus.
Which ends up benefiting tempest strike much more that curse of agony
meager ridge
i just found out you can eat strawberry leaves and stalks and they're pretty good
healthy, too
reef zodiac
And against small things you can apply shared suffering and then attack a bigger enemy anyway
marsh rivet
Might want to rethink that last bit lol. Curse of Agony spread is 100% of its own damage for every additional target, versus the 60% of the bonus damage Tempest Strike would give
reef zodiac
No because that bonus applies to every enemy with shared suffering
Not just the one
So if you hit two enemies that both have shared suffering, it will do 120% extra damage to both of them (plus any other enemies that have shared suffering)
Maybe doom is better if you don’t know how to apply shared suffering and just kinda spam the attack button, idk
marsh rivet
Only the bonus damage from Tempest STrike matters because Curse would still benefit from base. Tempest Strike's bonus per target here is 22 damage, for each additional target. if you hit 2 targets, yes, they both get 44 damage
How in the world does that scale better than hitting two targets with Doom, of any rarity
reef zodiac
No, they both get 81 damage
It’s 220%, not 120%. They still get hit by the attack.
So yeah, it scales way better than hitting two targets with doom, especially since it will also do 44 damage to any other enemies that have shared suffering
marsh rivet
Hmm... I'm going to say that you're right here, so I can leave the conversation. My point with all of this is to call a boon bad because there are conditionally better options is asinine. I hope you find your bliss, sir.
(for the record yes you were right it's 81 per target I referenced the wrong number)
reef zodiac
i like getting Doom on the special of rail
#h1-discussion message
We had this discussion already
marsh rivet
For literally every situation that could come up, you can basically construct a universe where there are better options. So is literally everything - 1 option bad?
radiant shuttle
ah oke .. well i have noticed i take my time . dodging enemies more often then i kill them fast ,
so the doom effect helps . but there are some boons what i like better m but if they dont drop .. then i go for what i find 1 st , if i get a better one i do drop them .
marsh rivet
That's rhetorical, it is pretty clear from your rhetoric that you do actually believe that, which is... kind of depressing, no? Is every run that isn't blessed out the wazoo just doomed to mediocrity
vagrant grove
big words make brain hurt /s
radiant shuttle
yer got no idea how often i had 4 lives .. and lose them all in the last area vs the dammned poison rats .
realy hate the little rat ..
reef zodiac
For literally every situation that could come up, you can basically construct a ...
It’s not bad because there’s are better options. It’s bad because it’s 3-4 times worse than the best of those options and there’s like 5+ options that are at least marginally better than it
random kestrel
so the doom effect helps . but there are some boons what i like better m but i...
You're really going crazy on the space button there
marsh rivet
Lol the primary one I'm comparing it to is no attack at all. Which, with CF2, UC, APx, RIx, is pretty far from impossible. What ends up happening I guess most often in those types of situations is you already have Shackle, then you get Curse of Agony. So I guess you could whine forever about how terrible of a boon that is or figure out what situations and how to make Doom work for you there.
reef zodiac
Nah with Rama AP2, I’m either resetting for C1 Heartbreak strike or I’m using shackle
Unless I get C1 twin/triple. But there I’d also use shackle so nvm
high island
Arguing with the OG Rama main, the one and only Rama Llama, about Rama, though.
marsh rivet
I"m washed up, what do I know. Tempest Strike rise up
high island
I"m washed up, what do I know. Tempest Strike rise up
Still giggling at that.
reef zodiac
On a change of subject, how do you guys view modded vs unmodded runs (specifically for heat records)? I don’t fully understand what sets them apart (I know literally what the mod does but I can’t know quite how it feels to play or how different it is from unmodded) but do you think that an unmodded 60 heat is basically as impressive as a modded 60, just that the unmodded one took more grinding?
meager ridge
ok i still have all of my death defiances and full health after elysium i might have a chance
vagrant grove
marsh rivet
me after taking sunken treasure instead of a sea storm prereq by accident
Fun fact. You can't remove Sunken Treasure from the boon pool
So you can do it again later in the run. There's that to look forward to
meager ridge
temple of styx is the worst
the rooms are too small and there are too many powerful enemies
high island
On a change of subject, how do you guys view modded vs unmodded runs (specifical...
Don't really care too much for modded categories, personally.
My opinion is I don't care.
random kestrel
What does sunken treasure do
reef zodiac
But I’m just curious about the difficulty differences or how well you have to play when comparing the two
marsh rivet
I use a mod to seed runs, but I also would consider that seeded, not modded. I mostly don't care about modded because there aren't that many people pushing heat in modded categories to compete against. If that's your jam, go for it.
reef zodiac
Beside getting screwed less often and therefore needing to grind less, is it actually easier to win with modded?
marsh rivet
If it wasn't I don't imagine many people would use the mod LOL
reef zodiac
No, Baj said he did 62 modded because he didn’t want to get sacked or bad RNG’d out of a run, I’m pretty sure
I’ll find the exact message
high island
I mean there's one person who's done 62 Heat modded to have any opinion on that from personal experience. Ask him lol.
marsh rivet
Yeah, it's effectively the same as a seeding mod. It doesn't make the run easier, it removes the implicit 40% fail rate on high heat runs from sack RNG
reef zodiac
Alright I can’t find the message so I could have made that up
meager ridge
full death defiances
and full health
with extra damage from strong drink
and my special is powerful
i hope i win
reef zodiac
He used the mod to guarantee Explosive Return
meager ridge
here we go
high island
My opinion is m excited for Baj, and we'll continue to keep the high heat leaderboard separate from the one for modded high heat.
reef zodiac
I’m not sure that actually makes it any less impressive though. Like if I was good enough to do 62 (which I’m obviously absolutely not), I could just grind speed deaths while doing something else until I got C1 ER, then do a run, then if I die just repeat. It would be miserable, but like it’s obviously possible
meager ridge
what is baj
marsh rivet
It's a one player game at the end of the day and he did it for himself. He knows his own skill level enough to say "I don't need to prove I get can to the first hammer" and so he did it. That's not scalable, so I guess we can put it in a modded category, but at the end of the day the 62 heat completion is equally impressive? Idk what you want lol, there isn't a consensus on this, there aren't a million 60+ heat runners
meager ridge
HERE WE GO LET'S FIGHT HADES
high island
I don't see the point in gauging what's more impressive, anyway. Nothing to gain from that.
reef zodiac
Yeah I guess that’s fair
vagrant grove
maybe you'll win if you stop updating discord every second
reef zodiac
Either way I have no intention of minimizing anyone’s accomplishments, to be very clear
Especially not when it’s something insanely impressive like that
It’s just that he said “Honestly that felt a little easy” and I was unsure what to think of that
But I think all it means is that Baj is insane at the game
Does anyone know if ykc’s 62 had Explosive Return in Tartarus? Out of curiosity
marsh rivet
A lot of the grind at very high heat is a mental and patience based one. Even if you develop the skillset for something, you have to find the run that lets you do it.
marsh rivet
Lol, God's Legacy is a scam. Pretty sure ME can't spawn if you have it.
vagrant grove
jokes on you, I got ME in Tartarus in my last fists run w/ GL
marsh rivet
Buy a lottery ticket
vagrant grove
I probably will today
meager ridge
YES
I KILLED HADES FOR THE THIRD TIME
maybe this game isn't as bad as i thought
tbf most games are only really fun when you're winning
twin thistle
trap <:failbag:459075377814568960>
high security moment
vagrant grove
HS is a scam
marsh rivet
tbf most games are only really fun when you're winning
big mood
vagrant grove
the pots
meager ridge
what is hs
gray apex
Heightened Security
vagrant grove
lernie stood no chance
obliterated
you can only have 4 gods at a given time, right
or can you force a 5th
wise oasis
5 including hermes
vagrant grove
other than hermes
mint coral
You can force more with keeosakes yeah
wise oasis
you can force more if you get all 4 of them in tartarus
vagrant grove
o h
mint coral
Sometimes tartarus shops gives you a 5th god by chance too
vagrant grove
4 duos, time for a 5th?
meager ridge
hades isn't as bad as i thought
i'm probably just a bit happier because i escaped though
vagrant grove
I used to think that the "Adamant Rail" was called Adamant as in not being able to be persuaded, but no, it's because it's made of Adamant, the same fictional metal as Cronus' sickle used to kill Uranus iirc. Might just be both
This game is too detailed
reef zodiac
It’s called the “Rail of Adamant” many times
vagrant grove
I only got that dialogue a bit ago from dad
lone kernel
Somebody please suggest a meme build to me (I love this style of play)
amber cloak
What does holding attack to dash strike with double edge do? I saw it being talked about (like if you search double edge in the discord search) but I dunno what it does
whole comet
hades isn't as bad as i thought
i certainly vote Hades game of the year 2020 over TLOU2
meager ridge
Somebody please suggest a meme build to me (I love this style of play)
masochist build:
no boons
brisk trail
gilgamesh drunken dash
twin thistle
shackle on hestia is already good enough to get through everything till champions with quite good dps
chrome wharf
Somebody please suggest a meme build to me (I love this style of play)
Unhealthy Fixation Fists or Rail. Ideally with Aphro aid, basically charm-lock enemies
lone kernel
Unhealthy Fixation Fists or Rail. Ideally with Aphro aid, basically charm-lock e...
I like that
twin thistle
works on chiron too
chrome wharf
yes
vagrant grove
masochist build:
this is so infuriating, it isn't incredibly super hard, but it get sooo annoying
to clarify, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's more annoying than it is hard
twin thistle
just use hestia rail smh
vagrant grove
I almost lost my first boonless to a boon being in the second to last styx chamber
whole comet
when i did my 32 boonless, just run into the chamber, and 4 boon 1 non-boon
XD
was hoping the non-boon room would spawn the purging pool...
full otter
vagrant grove
Buy a lottery ticket
I lost, luck went away
lone kernel
Unhealthy Fixation Fists or Rail. Ideally with Aphro aid, basically charm-lock e...
Got literally two aphro boons all run. Lost to dad oh well
Slumping hard lately
vagrant grove
charm doesn't count for PS right?
lone kernel
I had Poseidon aphro and Athena only, Styx offered me Dionysus zeus and ares… come on game why you gotta play me like that
vagrant grove
o u c h
whole comet
you're playing and also being played 
mint coral
I had Poseidon aphro and Athena only, Styx offered me Dionysus zeus and ares… co...
why wasnt your god pool filled in 1st place
lone kernel
Because I was kinda messing around and not taking it too seriously
Someone else wanna suggest one of their favorite goofy builds
random kestrel
I just got a "centaur soul" (restore 25 HP without healing) from a well of Charon, which I've never gotten in my over 30 runs
Is it rare or do I just have bad luck
ashen remnant
It’s not super common
brisk trail
I grab so much centaur heart that I literally have 400+ health
mortal marten
Gaaaah I beat the final boss and forgot to collect the gems and darkness that they drop. Headdesk
whole comet
oh, u dun need to pick up darkness to unlock door? cause titan blood does
strong ridge
real
chrome wharf
charm doesn't count for PS right?
yeah no it doesn't
spare tiger
oh, u dun need to pick up darkness to unlock door? cause titan blood does
i think you do?
gems i know are optional
i'd grab it anyway, darkness is a free HP boost once you get the upgrade from the house contractor
plus the gems REALLY ramp up with Darker Thirst/Chaos boons
primal wadi
Okay, I have a bizarre question
Say, in a fanfiction, a character was the Grandchild of Demeter, but her mother not being Persephone. How would the child be related to Zagrius?
@meager ridge What's your highest Heat?
Mine is, uh.......like, 17? Ish?
spare tiger
Say, in a fanfiction, a character was the Grandchild of Demeter, but her mother ...
Father i think?
rapid forum
Say, in a fanfiction, a character was the Grandchild of Demeter, but her mother ...
I have an idea how the child could be related but I hate it
spare tiger
hell, zagreus IS Demeter's grandson
spare tiger
if the mother isnt Persephone i dont think thats physically possible, Persephone was her only child
rapid forum
well we're talking about fanfic here, anything is possible
rapid forum
<@196283299965042689> How come?
actually
primal wadi
👍
spare tiger
2 children and related to Zag?
primal wadi
Mhm
rapid forum
when I think about it, it doesn't make sense
primal wadi
Okay
rapid forum
so nvm about that one
primal wadi
If Demeter had two children. One of those children, not Persephone had a child, how would that child be related to Zagrius?
I think cousins.
rapid forum
yea it's cousin
rapid forum
when your sibling has a child
spare tiger
Ahh
rapid forum
so zag's cousin is persephone's niece/nephew
primal wadi
I'm starting to confuse myself
rapid forum
because
spare tiger
You planning some crazy mod?
primal wadi
A very convoluted fanfiction, Sir.
spare tiger
Oh lord
rapid forum
GL on that front
spare tiger
Have fun with that
primal wadi
I literally just noticed them.