64 heat has only been completed once and it was fully routed
#h1-discussion
raw herald
Zeus shield is the only aspect that has gone above 60
Rama, Eris and Beowulf have done 60
Hestia 60 is being attempted
whole comet
seeded means you already knew the RNG, right?
raw herald
Yep
Well, seeded is when you choose what the first chamber is
Routed is when you choose everything
So the Eris 60 heat clear was seeded for epic drunken strike in chamber 1
raw herald
No, they seed it using a mod
whole comet
that sounds cheating if using external program...
raw herald
Well, it's still 60 heat
whole comet
cheat to high score means nothing
raw herald
By using the mod, the number of runs you start that get the boon you want go from 1 in 36 to 1 in 1
So it's purely a method of saving time
whole comet
shouldnt' they use keepsake?
whole comet
oh well, now i see why some videos point out unseeded or w/e
dusky wedge
When we’re talking about roguelites specifically, we kinda have a bit more leeway about mods and all, since the game is more RNG-focused, obviously mods that can give back a little of the control back to the player is highly regarded
raw herald
Also it's a pain resetting all the time
I've moved completely to modded for speedruns
dusky wedge
Other genres, don’t even have as many categories of speedrunning as roguelites does
whole comet
hmm maybe that's one other reason i tend to use stalling tactic
so my chance of winning with terrible boons still feel possible
of course, good boons is still possible
but as i said b4, terrible boons with TD, u prolly would lose
raw herald
But then you usually don't have to take EM4
whole comet
if i DID wanna progress, eventually would have to
the highest u can stall is 58 Heat
whole comet
and RI is max lol
jaunty socket
someome actually did 60 heat run afaik, so it IS doable
whole comet
imagine 58 Heat
raw herald
Yep
whole comet
if u stall it
jaunty socket
I mean
whole comet
maybe u can even do boonless 😄
whole comet
there's people did EM4 boonless out there
jaunty socket
and he has 50% more HP which is a joke
raw herald
Give it a try, but there's probably a reason why it's not been done before
whole comet
oh i agree, does not sound appealing
jaunty socket
even the most skilled people out there with thousands of hours struggle at 55+
so... xD
raw herald
99.9999% of Hades players will never go above 50
And to think that there's people beating 60+ is just crazy
whole comet
i think 32 Heat is the standard thanks to the... amazing reward 😄
raw herald
Even then, only about 5% of steam users have unlocked the second statue
whole comet
but tbh, i go for 40 because 32 is easy
raw herald
That's probably 1% that beat 32
dusky wedge
I’ve only done my “obligatory” 32 heat in God Mode
whole comet
well 33 boonless is not that hard too
unborn bramble
99.9999% of Hades players will never go above 50
98% never go above 32 😆
dusky wedge
No way I’m doing it without God Mode 
unborn bramble
Which ever work for you. as long as it's fun.
dusky wedge
Going high heat sounds more stressful than going fast imo 
raw herald
It's both lmao
unborn bramble
There is no next update
dusky wedge
What?! No!!1!
whole comet
what would u want for update anyway?
burnt breach
the next update is mods lol
raw herald
Test boons/hammers in the courtyard without mods would be my only thing
dusky wedge
This is just the thing I want as well
void vigil
there has been nothing announced either way, but #hades-patch-notes latest update seems to indicate moving on from the game to me
dusky wedge
To test hammers in run only, sucks
whole comet
not like u can always get what u want anyway
raw herald
That's kinda why I really like modded speedrunning
jaunty socket
there has been nothing announced either way, but <#520688884011499520> latest up...
as far as I regret to say that, it seems the same to me
raw herald
Get to practice using the hammers consistently
whole comet
but hammer is meant to be inconsistent, and risky if you have approval process
raw herald
Yea but if I'm going to suicide a run if I don't get a certain hammer, the game isn't fun to speedrun imo
I don't use it for casual runs tho
whole comet
i see
dusky wedge
It’s more like, the experience of wielding the dream build is rare
Where everything is optimal
Piecing stuffs together to discover crazy power is one of the draws of roguelites
whole comet
why does it feel like
in a card game, if your opening hands have these cards u win, or you just forfeit until u get those cards
well i suppose u dun always win
dusky wedge
Poker, you mean? While it’s not really impossible to just run with anything in poker and still win, the analogy is quite similar
The part that we probably will still try anyway, is also similar lol
whole comet
i guess in poker, people still try to mind trick others
but in this case
if u dun get get the build u want
oops, i mean without modding
and rely on RNG
u just give up and reroll, right?
dusky wedge
Ah, I got the wrong card game, when I think about it, it should be closer to blackjack
cloud apex
i guess in poker, people still try to mind trick others
Since there are no real opponents in Hades, you mind trick yourself into thinking you can pull through with bad build 
dusky wedge
True, poker has mind games, and mind games made games varies wildly, even with optimal opening hands. As opposed to roguelites, everything is kinda figured out, apart from “the cards you’ve been dealt”, in this case, your current build the game hands to you
whole comet
using mod to save time to get the boon u need
humble jewel
Yeah, I theory craft and I get excited to try a new build, then when I try to put together said build, it almost never comes true if it's a slightly complex one. But then after killing myself 100 times I give up and just run with whatever comes and sometimes it works out really well!
raw herald
If everyone has access to the mods, which they do, I think it's fine
It has its own separate category on speedrun.com
whole comet
I agree, if that's implemented in HADES, that's different
and i suppose if the devs wouldn't mind
no real problem
late fog
Nah
versed zinc
Why's the 32 heat achievement is not showing on steam?
whole comet
oh, u think there's a Steam Achivement with 32 Heat?
versed zinc
or theres no 32 heat achievement?? 
late fog
burnt breach
or theres no 32 heat achievement?? <:shadedisgruntled:520448241490329613>
theres only an achievement for the second statue
rapid forum
you can complete 32 heat for extra convo with skelly
or out of spite cause there's no achievement for it
versed zinc
so the only achievement that i want to complete are the butterfly, harsh, and the max keepsake
burnt breach
why do you not want to complete the rest?
whole comet
i guess he means he finishes the rest?
versed zinc
thorn of thanatos is kinda hard for me XD
whole comet
sure did try
versed zinc
i suck
whole comet
dun think i even made it to Meg lol
late fog
Id prolly die in 2 rooms lmao
versed zinc
oh no i spoil
late fog
There’s spoilers allowed in this channel dw
whole comet
the moment u meet the armored units, you're screwed
whole comet
oops, i mean the 63 Heat
late fog
Nah it’s easy
whole comet
in ur case, the thorn achievement, u could just do 0 heat
late fog
Just guan Yu it, and you’ll beat heat 63 in a few minutes
burnt breach
the highest heat record unseeded is 61, seeded it's 64
versed zinc
Just guan Yu it, and you’ll beat heat 63 in a few minutes
any videos on it?
guan yu is like the last bow aspect
kinda hard to use
the last fist aspect is trash
dont upgrade it
late fog
Lol I’m just joking about the guan Yu thing, and it’s the hidden aspect for spear
late fog
dont upgrade it
Gotta get dat 100% completion 💪
dusky wedge
You’d probably upgrade everything in the game anyway at the end of the day
raw herald
the highest heat record unseeded is 61, seeded it's 64
Unseeded is now 62
burnt breach
is it still being verified? It's not in the leaderboard
raw herald
Yeah just checked
burnt breach
👍
whole comet
surely sounds like wow's raiding
whole comet
how'd you know unseed or seed? because they stream it?
raw herald
If they show a death of the previous run
whole comet
what about give up?
whole comet
so unseeded run always start with death, and they walk their way back to start another
raw herald
Yep
whole comet
ok
vapid narwhal
death reset the seed
whole comet
now thinking back EM4
Hades seems to decide to heal in phase 3 very random timing
like, maybe he would heal, or not at all
whole comet
Hades really is a masterpiece
a single player game that could get people excited with these world first challenge
vapid narwhal
I'd be super surprised if anyone ever did 63 unseeded
whole comet
RI4 is 2 point
if they go full 63 heat, hell mode
wouldn't they need to go full RI4 and take 1 point out?
vapid narwhal
he considered RI4 flatout impossible
whole comet
well it is what it is
63 Heat hell mode would be RI4
so, maybe they might as well do the utlimate 64 Heat?
unless they drop 1 point
vapid narwhal
he said in the comments RI4 under these conditions are humanly impossible
and 62 is the theoretical upper limit for unseeded
vapid narwhal
yes that's how the seed part work
whole comet
so seed has no real RNG
raw herald
Nope
vapid narwhal
they start a seed with a modded game, and after clearing a chamber, you can do specific things to change the next room's reward
raw herald
So it means you get more free rooms, less dangerous enemies and stronger boons
whole comet
hmmm does make it sound seed is cheating 😦
vapid narwhal
they record the action they need to take for a specific room to have a specific thing they need until getting the sack, give up and replicate them
seeded is an acceptable category so take it for what it is
at 60+ the game is not fair any more
raw herald
hmmm does make it sound seed is cheating 😦
It's not cheating because it's a different category
whole comet
fight fire with fire
fight unfair with unfair 😄
oh, here's a fun one
in ur opinion
what's the max heat to be 100% fair
raw herald
32-40
whole comet
for Hades
raw herald
Actually more closer to 32
vapid narwhal
40+ is in the range of "bs difficulty" due to having to take power limiting pacts
raw herald
Even at 32 you can still get screwed over from unfortunate BP2 combinations
vapid narwhal
past that the game is not balanced around it
once you start to need to take RI and AP, it's not fair any more
vapid narwhal
and arguably CP because HP directly affects encounter design
and the game is not designed around +15/30% more HP
raw herald
I'd estimate less than 250 people have beaten 50 heat
vapid narwhal
I would say 45+ is very rare
whole comet
i think FO2 is still the most OP one...
raw herald
The only mainstream YouTuber that that I think has done it is haelian
vapid narwhal
it's very, very hard
raw herald
Idk if jawless Paul done it
whole comet
the guy who said Stubborn Defiance is some of the worst Duo boon
vapid narwhal
FO2, CP1/2, RI, AP are the things that cause serious tip of balance as they limit player power to non intended levels and skews encounter balance
you mean Stubborn Roots
whole comet
oops, yes that one
raw herald
Stubborn roots isn't that great apart from at high heat
And even then it's hard to use with TD3
vapid narwhal
Stubborn roots is not good
and it's not super outlandish to even say it's one of the worst duos
gray apex
Could be situationally decent ig
vapid narwhal
yeah it's just very situational
vapid narwhal
the prerequisites alone are unorthodox
It's Athena+Demeter
and only from both of their core boons
whole comet
and those themselves are pretty decent for EM4
last veldt
I might take it if offered and nothing better, but there's usually something better.
If you need it, I feel the run is probably on a knife edge already.
vapid narwhal
well "on a knife edge" is basically the entirety of high heat
whole comet
i would say for majority of Hades players
last veldt
I was referring to the "newcomers" comment
whole comet
what's that again, 99.99% does not do 50+ heat right? Xd
vapid narwhal
the start of "high heat" is 32 btw
raw herald
I'd guess about that yeah
vapid narwhal
32 is hard
last veldt
I've not done 32 heat yet, but I hardly ever find it useful in the 16 heat range I'm in.
raw herald
Maybe 250 people that beat 50 heat, I'd estimate that there's been 3+ million sales
vapid narwhal
yeah SR is not really useful in those ranges
last veldt
But you lost the opportunity for a different boon that usually means you would be less likely to reach the knife edge.
vapid narwhal
the point is there are just many other things that are better
it's not about SR itself
the meta doesnt exist in a vacuum
whole comet
well let's put it this way
there's duo boon like Cold Embrace
other than getting it to complete the Fate list
vapid narwhal
I actually still dont have that for the prophecy list lmao
whole comet
who would've willingly work on that?
last veldt
There are probably less good boons for sure. I don't think it's literally the worst, but it's not great.
Low tier (bottom 25%) in my opinion
vapid narwhal
it's nice that if you have it and runs SD in high heat
last veldt
For low/mid heat
whole comet
there's some boons that felt like you gotta change your playstyle to make it work, assuming it works
vapid narwhal
that's... basically the only case it's useful
for low/mid heat you'd be on 3DDs
and if you run out of 3DDs in say sub 16
whole comet
those r pretty bad
vapid narwhal
I think you have bigger problems than SR
last veldt
I mean I do lose 16 heat runs every now and then, but I've never really thought SR would have made a difference.
whole comet
and continue the next fight with 200-300 hp
last veldt
You spend a lot of time kiting.
vapid narwhal
for a player that loses 3DDs on low heat runs
whole comet
it is usable that way yes
last veldt
Time you normally don't have
raw herald
The main benefit to SR is that it bypasses lasting consequences
vapid narwhal
"kiting to heal" is not exactly easy for them
the mindset and skill bracket is very different
whole comet
but if those players do not wish to give up entirely
or maybe just wanna see the rest of the contents
definitely help
gray apex
Meh
vapid narwhal
it's a reach at that point
brisk trail
stubborn roots is pretty good for heat I think but like comparing it to top tier boons it stands no chance obv
last veldt
I'm sure it's helped me once or twice (same way that Shady sometimes gives just enough health to make it through a fight)
vapid narwhal
the effort (prerequisites to get it) and the scenario for it to matter is incredibly niche
whole comet
it was considered as bad as cold embrace level
vapid narwhal
that simply does not justify it
whole comet
to Haelin
whole comet
and if new players read that lists
cloud apex
for low/mid heat you'd be on 3DDs
Me who started running any type of heat on SD since DDs being lost mid biome give me crippling discourage:
whole comet
well, it definitely did not say "high heat" guide
last veldt
Well at some point exactly how you rank low tier boons is unimportant. You ain't picking any of them based only on a tier list right
brisk trail
unshakleable mettle is also decent because it cancels out all hitstun
gray apex
Id take unshakable mettle over stubborn roots most of the time if not all the time
raw herald
Oh god i saw a comment on reddit saying that smoldering air ranked low among the duo boons
gray apex
Lol
vapid narwhal
brisk trail
its common because people want to do full calls I think
brisk trail
smoldering air is amazing ye
last veldt
If you're playing Hades by just following a list someone on the internet made without thinking about the run you're doing and what will work for you, then I don't have much to say.
cloud apex
Oh god i saw a comment on reddit saying that smoldering air ranked low among the...
Must have been artemis call taken a bit too seriously
raw herald
Smoldering air Artemis aid? More like support fire
cloud apex
Meanwhile zeus and dionysis calls with smoldering break hell loose 
brisk trail
Smoldering air Artemis aid? More like support fire
but arty aid is so good
late fog
Random question, so I talked w Meg and she mentioned how the only reason I beat her is cuz of the mirror of night. If I beat her without any buffs from the mirror, will it trigger dialogue?
brisk trail
yes
raw herald
but arty aid is so good
Sure, maybe at a full gauge
brisk trail
Sure, maybe at a full gauge
yes
last veldt
I used to not take SA for exactly that reason that I only wanted the boss finishing full call because the bosses were what killed me the most
gray apex
Arty aid wants full call for the most part
raw herald
But 90% of an aid’s power comes from the partial calls
gray apex
Smoldering would ruin it
brisk trail
it deals ultra super duper damage
agreed
arty call is an actual joke even at full call unless you pom it ot have crit dmg support
brisk trail
dio would be the best then
raw herald
It pains me to see newer players charge a full call only for half of it to be wasted from boss invul phases
cloud apex
I am actually pretty sure full gauge artemis aid is on average weaker than aphrodite's, which is ironic
raw herald
Yeah you need crit luck
last veldt
arty call is an actual joke even at full call unless you pom it ot have crit dmg...
For a beginner it's self targeting and will mostly one shot Lernie's last phase, but yeah, not great.
gray apex
Ares call best call don’t @ me
cloud apex
Although tbf, it is pretty hard to fit 2.5k nuke into boss phases sometimes
raw herald
@gray apex
brisk trail
I used it when I was starting to play yea
until I experimented with more calls and realized how weak it is
kinda rip
last veldt
Right, everything in Hades is situational.
whole comet
that 62 unseed run
cloud apex
my beloved
whole comet
he doesn't even have a call lol
raw herald
Yeah you cant count on getting many boons with CF RI and UC
brisk trail
high heat gonna be poverty
raw herald
And also prioritising health
gray apex
It’s not like you have a choice lol
vapid narwhal
RI UC AP means you cant ask for much
gray apex
Good thing ap doesn’t work on purging wells
cloud apex
Or even ask at all, with ap2
whole comet
i guess that should settle the best call?
raw herald
Dio/zeus call are best for DPS
whole comet
which means he prolly picks the strongest one
cloud apex
i guess that should settle the best call?
Sample size of 1 doesn't really settle it
raw herald
Hades is good when you have a lot of damage from your build already
vapid narwhal
dio, zeus, poseidon, aphro, dad and athena
whole comet
sample size of 1 in the world 😄
brisk trail
well dio call stops being good when you have a dio core already
and zeus call deals more dmg with zeus t2boons
raw herald
Well zeus aid wouldn’t really make sense since he already has a source of applying jolted
cloud apex
If anything, in that 64 heat run zeus aid would have been even stronger due to splitting bolt
raw herald
Don’t think he got splitting bolt tho, could be misremembering
brisk trail
and poseidon call can be really great with rip current
whole comet
i suppose we can talk about that when a 2nd 64 run player appears
cloud apex
Don’t think he got splitting bolt tho, could be misremembering
Got that at the end of 2sack afaik
brisk trail
lol
just check the dps like
theres mods for this
this stuff has been tested
in any way dio call isnt a bad choice
but it can situationally be worse than a different call
it depends on your build
raw herald
Yeah if you have lvl 1 drunken dash
whole comet
u could call it bad once you beat 64 Heat with your choice 😄
brisk trail
I'm not calling it bad im just saying its not always the best?
like ask baj about it if you wanna
cloud apex
I think the only "bad" call is ares since it can directly limit your damage output. And even then, there are great results if you build for it
lethal island
I mean your call is never really the focus of your build
raw herald
Ares aid sucks so bad
raw herald
why that one?
Because it does a lot of damage
lethal island
I usually just take the first one that’s given to me out of Zeus, Dio, or Athena
Dio does a lot of damage
Dio and Zeus let you continue to use your weapon while also dealing damage so they’re better than Poseidon for damage wise typically
lethal island
Not to mention they also needed a ton of Zeus boons so adding the call as well probably would have made routing it more annoying
vapid narwhal
Poseidon call actually does a lot of damage you just have to hit things
lethal island
Sure but not as much as Dio or Zeus
dusky wedge
If you have a decent amount of Poseidon supports, it could probably go harder than those two I think
Insert Fated Authority > Fated Persuasion here
whole comet
lol some twitch streamers also do 33 heat
brisk trail
Poseidon has the invul too, makes sense it can't do as much
when i tried 64 heat 2 times the one tip i have is abuse posidon aid becaus you r invinsible so i set to my scroll wheel so in case i cant dash out in time i just posiedon
and i reposition adstart blasting them with bow
whole comet
lol i thought u have trouble on 32 heat
brisk trail
lol i thought u have trouble on 32 heat
do you have any guide on rng manipultion?
rapid forum
just saying, there is a "challenge" for 63 heat, you just play as further as you can basically
if you're bored, that is available
I, however, won't do that
cause I'm at 88 streak. I wanna beat my 105 streak
lethal island
do you have any guide on rng manipultion?
https://youtu.be/AHdt35TDvNY this is a pretty well made guide to routing if you’re interesting in that kind of stuff
dusky wedge
TIL Spear Spin knock backs enemies nope, it doesn’t, but it does apply attack effects like, say, Poseidon attack knock back. That’s what actually happens 
You know what that means!
Electric time
Ahh, what a shame, got heroic Greater Haste and Epic Hyper Sprint, but no Rush Delivery 
Could have gotten +300% to poke daddy with 
thorny mirage
hermes is just waiting for mega speed
little dragon
https://youtu.be/AHdt35TDvNY this is a pretty well made guide to routing if you’...
hmm
after you learn the route do you play vanilla for the actual run
or is the mod allowed
brisk trail
if i complete a run with say heat 15 but i haven’t earned any of the bounties from 14 am i still able to get them later?
raw herald
after you learn the route do you play vanilla for the actual run
Vanilla
raw herald
if i complete a run with say heat 15 but i haven’t earned any of the bounties fr...
Yeah if you do that you get the bounties for 14
thorny mirage
if i complete a run with say heat 15 but i haven’t earned any of the bounties fr...
you can repeat high heat bounties if you’re comfy and earn the heat rewards for all the ones below it
brisk trail
so if i put the heat level higher then what it recommends then i’ll be rewarded with the bounties and it will climb up until it reaches the respective heat?
little dragon
yeah
brisk trail
ez
little dragon
just do 32 heat 32 times in a row
brisk trail
thanks
rapid forum
pfft, and here I was climbing heats for upgrades and gradually getting better.
1 heat at a time
gray apex
I used to do that but I got bored around 9 heat lol
rapid forum
I didn't, I was intoxicated with build making and work around to what RNG gave me
then I gradually unlock things and get even more intoxicated with build potentials.
gray apex
Yea I guess it can be fun
ornate summit
is it possible to transfer my save between Nintendo Switch and Steam directly?
Or at least fetch my save of the Switch version so I can put it on Steam?
I do not own the Epic version and I would rather not buy the game a third time
rapid forum
The only way I know is to upload switch's save data in game from the menu. Choose the cross save option, log in with your steam account then whenever you choose a save file to play, it'd automatically update to the steam cloud.
livid zealot
what up yall
playing hera bow which is very enjoyable to me 🙂 what is a good boon to start with? theres so many options, dio, artemis, ares...
rapid forum
Dio on hera is pretty finnicky
ornate summit
For Hera there's several good options
Drunken Burst is extremely strong, but practically requires using Stygian Soul and aiming for extra Bloodstones
Otherwise, Artemis and Aphrodite are real good
rapid forum
For optimal run, I'd pick either athena or aphro
livid zealot
excellent, havent actually tried alphrodite yet
ornate summit
You don't particularly have to think about using Athena/Aphrodite with Burning Soul
livid zealot
do you aim for a specific duo boon or pick a boon that generally has the most options?
ornate summit
Mirage Shot should be pretty solid
rapid forum
Or parting shot
ornate summit
can't go wrong with extra/faster bloodstones either, or cast damage
ornate summit
Which one was Snow Burst again, is that Demeter's replacement cast for Hera/Beowulf?
Been a while and I never really thought about that interaction
gray apex
Snow burst is the one that inflicts dmg in an aoe around you everytime you cast, it’s not a cast itself
ornate summit
ah
gray apex
And it applies chill on enemies
gray apex
playing hera bow which is very enjoyable to me 🙂 what is a good boon to start w...
I would tell you to try Poseidon but it’s not as good as others lol
gray apex
I like it, easy setup for Mirage aswell
However
You’re gonna be fishing your bloodstones from lava in asphodel
And that’s not nice when hs is on
thorny mirage
just use stygian soul smh
fickle fox
Hey, does anybody have a link to the Hades SR server?
I could've sworn the link was on here somewhere but I can't find it anymore.
mint coral
the speedrun server? link in #self-promotion pins
fickle fox
the speedrun server? link in <#505164873328754688> pins
Tyty!
fickle fox
mfw when hk player in hades server
brisk trail
1 heat at a time
das how im in 12 heat now
12 heat already bb
ill get to 20 heat minimum
today
I'm attempting the ol Putin deez on a friend
Oh this is the Hades server
devout terrace
brisk trail
what?
devout terrace
<:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
I just see uwu when I look at this emote
pure karma
How does shackle work exactly? You must not have ANY boons, or boons that directly affect you attacks? Like strikes?
devout terrace
How does shackle work exactly? You must not have ANY boons, or boons that direct...
Your attack, special and casts core boons
You need them to be empty in order to get the buff
pure karma
So something like Pressure Points, Support Fire, Snow Burst etc are fine?
devout terrace
Yes
pure karma
Thanks
devout terrace
Any non core boon
pure karma
Another question. I am doing a shackle ~~Eris ~~ Hestia run cause why not. What hammers would be best?
Piercing Fire sounds good
devout terrace
rocket bomb, cluster, targeting
mint coral
just take zeus attack even if you are doing shackle, base attack rail bad
pure karma
Did I say eris?
I meant Hestia
mb
I am reloading after every shot
Lol I said Eris I am so dumb
Sorry guys
raw herald
Ricochet is good then
gray apex
Piercing and hazard are good aswell
mint coral
hazard is fun
pure karma
I got tripple bomb on special
last veldt
hazard is fun
Yeah
pure karma
This run the game keep throwing boons at me
It;s some sort of joke
I reached Elysium really easily and fast. And HEstia is not even maxed. It's like lvl 3
And I am at 20 heat, which probably is a joke to most here but for me it;s high-ish
mint coral
i mean depending on pacts a 20 heat can be as annoying as a 32 heat
raw herald
If you don't want boons then pick Olympian favour
pure karma
Which one is that?
last veldt
I picked up Hazard on an Eris run without thinking...
mint coral
just get delta chamber
raw herald
Which one is that?
Mirror perk, the opposite of dark foresight
pure karma
No I mean what does it do. I cant remember their names
raw herald
+40% rare chance
pure karma
Ah yeah I have the other one then
raw herald
But it means that you don't get as many gold laurel doors
Which you don't want in boonless runs
pure karma
Run is going better than I though. I put my reload button on R1 (ps4 controller) and it works really well
it;s comfortable
I also dash which seems like it cancels the reload animation
mint coral
remapping reload is comfy
pure karma
Piercing works good, but I see now that ricochet would be probably better
Oh well, live and learn
Bull took 2 defiances
Time to uninstall
gray apex
I do prefer Ricochet but I barely have any experience with Hestia, some experienced players could argue that Piercing is better but requires more skill to make more out of it
pure karma
I jave exactly 0 skill so
pure karma
My soulmate
gray apex
Lmao
raw herald
Rama
placid anchor
So can I get aspect of Chiron and of Zera and of Zagreus on my bow? all stacking?
raw herald
No
gray apex
No
placid anchor
Oh
gray apex
One at a time
placid anchor
aw 😦
gray apex
Should be enough tho lol
placid anchor
I only have 3 titan bloods, used my first 3 on Chiron, wondering if I should keep upgrading it
manic bobcat
Just consider them different weapons
Sometimes they might as well be
Hera plays very differently then Rama or Chiron, for example
placid anchor
I just wanna finish one run lol, still haven't beaten hades, closest I've got was with the bow (chiron)
pure karma
So here is my 20 heat pacts: LC1, CF1, EM3, BP1, MM, UC, FO1, TD2
manic bobcat
Looks fine?
manic bobcat
I just wanna finish one run lol, still haven't beaten hades, closest I've got wa...
Good luck. Chiron is good.
gray apex
Cf is a bit annoying but yea it looks okay
placid anchor
Good luck. Chiron is good.
Should I upgrade it to level 3?
manic bobcat
Should I upgrade it to level 3?
Yeah
gray apex
Chiron likes upgrades honestly
placid anchor
(it will use up all my titan blood)
manic bobcat
I think if you haven't gotten your first run, there are better weapons to get it done
placid anchor
really?
gray apex
I couldnt avoid his rush
It takes some getting used to but try to be next to a wall when he charges, it’s not too hard to make him hit a wall
manic bobcat
Chiron is still fine don't get me wrong
But Chiron loves blood
Which you don't have
gray apex
It takes some getting used to but try to be next to a wall when he charges, it’s...
Could try a pillar aswell but it’s more inconsistent for me
placid anchor
So what would you suggest @manic bobcat ?
I mean, I almost did it, I had hades at 10% health but messed up
was clearing rooms pretty easily with Chiron
pure karma
It takes some getting used to but try to be next to a wall when he charges, it’s...
I just wonder how people do it with maxed FO. The bull must have a lower 0-100 than a dragster
cloud apex
Dashing right through the bull makes him do a 180 which takes a tiny wee while for you to manage the rest
gray apex
It depends on your playstyle but yea Chiron likes upgrades and maybe you wanna try other weapons for example, it’s still fine to use and if you like it then why not, you’ll upgrade everything eventually anyway
manic bobcat
So what would you suggest <@!162305901892599809> ?
I think Rail with Triple Bomb hammer and %damage boons is easy enough. Just dash around and spam Special
placid anchor
I think Rail with Triple Bomb hammer and %damage boons is easy enough. Just dash...
True I did try that and got pretty far
manic bobcat
But if you are used to Chiron then go ahead and upgrade it
placid anchor
But if you are used to Chiron then go ahead and upgrade it
I guess I'll try Chiron one other time since I've already upgraded twice, but now the question; which trinket and hammer upgrades to get, as well as which boons to focus on?
manic bobcat
My personal choice is
Artemis in Tartarus, looking for Deadly Flourish
Aphrodite in Asphodel, looking for Heartbreak Strike and eventually Heartrend
Acorn from Elysium onward
gray apex
Or you could do Dionysis special for a dmg over time build
gray apex
My personal choice is
Artemis in Tartarus, looking for Deadly Flourish
Aphrodite...
Aphro asphodel typo
placid anchor
Ok I'll try that, but what trinkets for tartarus and asphodel would you recommend?
manic bobcat
Yee ty
placid anchor
purse/egg?
manic bobcat
Ok I'll try that, but what trinkets for tartarus and asphodel would you recommen...
Artemis keepsake
placid anchor
ahh
manic bobcat
Then Aphrodite
Or Athena works too tbh
Deadly Reversal and Divine Dash are both great
placid anchor
ok I'll try that now, thanks @manic bobcat and @gray apex 🙂
damn, I got demeter as my first offer
and forgot to gift her
gray apex
She is fine on special
thorny mirage
no meme beam
gray apex
Real men play meme beam only
raw herald
Me when playing eris
raw herald
Heart rend is not necessary
Better off building towards smoldering air with Zeus call
pure karma
Too late for that. I got Demeter call
proper oasis
I did not think it would take this long to max out all the keepsakes
Anyone know what the best boons/ hammers for the aspect of gilgamesh are cuz i have no clue
pure karma
Anyone know what the best boons/ hammers for the aspect of gilgamesh are cuz i h...
Yeah. Take tidal dash. Get all poseidon boons and Sea Storm
brisk trail
Is using smoldering air with Zeus call better than full gauge Zeus call?
proper oasis
Its weird cuz it doesn’t feel fast enough for zeus or slow enough for arty/ aphro
pure karma
Is using smoldering air with Zeus call better than full gauge Zeus call?
IMO yes. Especially if you have a lot of Zeus stuff
raw herald
For Gilgamesh you can also just use merciful end
pure karma
For Gilgamesh you can also just use merciful end
What did you think about that tidal dash meme idea? I actually did it and won one run lmao
raw herald
Yeah it's solid
brisk trail
He has a name smh
twin thistle
smouldering air lets you use call multiple times in regular rooms and you dont be wasting greater calls on immunity phases which is why its great
brisk trail
Yeah but what if you have high gauge gain
pure karma
He has a name smh
I don't concern myself with the names of my inferiors
brisk trail
Oh damn
dusky wedge
Let’s you keep Billowing and Second Wind up indefinitely
twin thistle
well then youll have 100% minor call active lol
smouldering air doesnt prevent other methods of gauge gain
brisk trail
No but I mean I could use the entire 4 gauges and just get it back
dusky wedge
Time to tape the Call button
placid anchor
Between visiting Eurydice or getting a heart (hp increase), what would you do?
twin thistle
eurydice always
brisk trail
I would homewreck and steal her from Orpheus
pure karma
Between visiting Eurydice or getting a heart (hp increase), what would you do?
You can't just pass up the opportunity to hear that voice man
reef zodiac
Between visiting Eurydice or getting a heart (hp increase), what would you do?
I pick Eurydice over pretty much anything but that might just be my speedrunner/50 heat brain
twin thistle
also refreshing nectar is op
mint coral
No but I mean I could use the entire 4 gauges and just get it back
if your call does a lot of damage you may force the bosses to go the phase change, so the rest of the call goes to waste
reef zodiac
I definitely pick Patroclus over literally anything
There are situations where I take Chaos over Eurydice
mint coral
if your call does a lot of damage you may force the bosses to go the phase chang...
not even speaking of dad who can just nope out and waste the call
placid anchor
Ok I'll visit her, a bit confused as to which upgrade to get from her though
reef zodiac
And there are a few things I’d take over Sisyphus
twin thistle
i definitely wont skip pat with sd
brisk trail
if your call does a lot of damage you may force the bosses to go the phase chang...
That's true
mint coral
yup
placid anchor
So what's the verdict (for chiron bow):
Ambrosia, pom or nectar?
fast willow
does ares or poseidon call do more damage
pure karma
So what's the verdict (for chiron bow):
Ambrosia, pom or nectar?
That depends.
fast willow
because theyre both the same call type and i want to figure out which is better
pure karma
No correct answer
raw herald
Poseidon
raw herald
You can take triple too?
Triple rocket, yes. Cluster triple, no
pure karma
Triple Rocket sounds bananas
raw herald
Triple rocket isn't as good as it sounds
pure karma
Aw
mint coral
imagine triple cluster
is not possible
reef zodiac
You can take triple too?
You can’t get triple and cluster at the same time
Triple rocket is way worse than cluster rocket
It’s not bad but it’s not much different from not having triple
fast willow
is not possible
yeah i know, im just saying it would be funny to blow up the entire screen
reef zodiac
Cluster rocket is insane though
mint coral
someone make hazard cluster possible please
reef zodiac
Hazard rocket
placid anchor
hmm swift flourish vs hyper sprint 🧐
reef zodiac
What weapon? Not that it matters, HS is better on every weapon
But swift flourish is pretty terrible
brisk trail
Generally with Eurydice I go for the level increase if I don't have any level 2s
reef zodiac
The only weapon where it’s even decent is Chiron
reef zodiac
Generally with Eurydice I go for the level increase if I don't have any level 2s
Always nectar imo
brisk trail
That increases rarity of next 3 boons right?
reef zodiac
Well I guess there are situations where poms is better
But nectar is really really good
brisk trail
I go for that more often than not yeah
placid anchor
What weapon? Not that it matters, HS is better on every weapon
Chiron
placid anchor
both rare
high island
Hyper Sprint.
reef zodiac
Chiron is the only aspect where Swift flourish isn’t bad imo
twin thistle
with hypersprint you can get rush delivery anyways
reef zodiac
But Hyper Sprint is amazing
twin thistle
actually does it last long enough for chiron to hit 
high island
Swift Flourish isn't bad on a lot of aspects.
Better startup, better recovery, better cooldown.
reef zodiac
Well the upside is extremely small to nearly nonexistent for most weapons
placid anchor
alright going for HS then 🙂
twin thistle
swift flourish exploding launcher zag spear lol
reef zodiac
Ohhh true!
placid anchor
the only thing here is that SF is a fated choice for me
reef zodiac
I once got heroic swift flourish exploding launcher zag spear. 65% faster special (assuming it’s additive which it’s honestly probably not)
twin thistle
prophecy > good build
dusky wedge
actually does it last long enough for chiron to hit <:thanthink:6692460041425387...
It shouldn’t matter anyway since I think the damage buff would get snapshotted when the shots were fired, not when it hits
reef zodiac
I don’t think it does actually
pure karma
prophecy > good build
Accurate
pure karma
Have you bought the prophecy list from contractor?
placid anchor
I'm not sure, is it the list of achievements that rewards you?
pure karma
Yes
placid anchor
ok yeah
pure karma
Those are called prophecies
placid anchor
so should I go with SF in order to unlock that prophecy?
pure karma
And they require you to take certain boons/hammers etc to complete
So when I was doing them I would completely rek my builds trying to get those XD
Remind me what SF is?
reef zodiac
It shouldn’t matter anyway since I think the damage buff would get snapshotted w...
I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure this is false. I know it doesn’t work this way for hangover
high island
Yeah, Rush Delivery doesn't work the way NeroVingian said.
dusky wedge
Really?
high island
The only bonus damage that works that way is the bonus from Achilles Aspect.
dusky wedge
So, it only stays up as long as the sturdy is up?
How does snapshotting even work on Achilles?
high island
All your damage gets bonus damage from the very start of your dash until the end of your sprint.
dusky wedge
Wasn’t Achilles like, ammo-based?
high island
Achilles Aspect buffs the next 4 Attacks/Casts.
placid anchor
Remind me what SF is?
Swift flourish = special speed 20%
dusky wedge
Oh, right, for stuffs like Demeter and Ares casts. Got it
dusky wedge
All your damage gets bonus damage from the very start of your dash until the end...
So only dash strikes, really?
high island
No, all your damage that is happening at the time.
pure karma
Swift flourish = special speed 20%
I have never noticed any notable differences with those boons
Swift Strike too
placid anchor
gotcha
reef zodiac
So only dash strikes, really?
All damage, such as casts, midair projectiles, doom, hangover, etc
reef zodiac
VoidStones with Blue Heart perk
Savior voidstones aren’t that bad. The worst are savior numbskulls or shieldbearers
high island
A Crystal Beam buffed with Achilles will get the bonus damage for its full duration. If you have a Crystal Beam out and then Dash with Hyper Sprint and Rush Delivery, your Crystal Beam will get bonus damage from the start of your Dash until the end of your Sprint and then go back to normal.
Damage is generally calculated on hit.
reef zodiac
I assume the same is true for other buffs such as Hades call, Billowing Strength, and Eris boost
high island
Yes.
reef zodiac
Wait does Eris boost apply to the special that applies it?
I would test it but I can’t atm
dusky wedge
So I generally just have to keep dashing in order to keep damage buff up, I don’t really need to keep re-applying the buff
reef zodiac
Wym re-applying
dusky wedge
Wait that sounds wrong
high island
Wait does Eris boost apply to the special that applies it?
Dunno which comes first tbh. I never cared enough for Eris to look at that.
dusky wedge
I mean, I just need to keep dashing to keep buff up?
high island
Yes.
reef zodiac
Dunno which comes first tbh. I never cared enough for Eris to look at that.
I’ll check on Skelly when I get home
dusky wedge
All of this makes some build ideas sounds meh to me, but also opens up other cans of ideas, really
reef zodiac
What ideas does it make worse?
placid anchor
should I keep my artemis trinket after beating hydra or to keep it for elysium/styx?
dusky wedge
The fact that it doesn’t actually snapshots
high island
If there's no little 1 under the keepsake, you've already used up the charge on it that forces her boon to appear.
So you generally want to switch, like 99.9% of the time.
reef zodiac
The fact that it doesn’t actually snapshots <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
How does that make anything worse?
placid anchor
So you generally want to switch, like 99.9% of the time.
So what would you recommend I switch to for elysium/styx?
short glen
Acorn
placid anchor
(keep in mind I don't have them all, missing about 5)
dusky wedge
It shouldn’t matter anyway since I think the damage buff would get snapshotted w...
This, for example
high island
Depends on how comfortable you are.
reef zodiac
I always do Acorn but obviously it depends on your build/pact
raw herald
Wait does Eris boost apply to the special that applies it?
It does
high island
Probably Acorn.
placid anchor
Ok Acorn it is 🙂
high island
Eris things, I guess.
reef zodiac
Eris is fun
placid anchor
alright next crisis, lol, point blank vs chain shot vs flurry shot (chiron)
reef zodiac
Doesn’t really matter
I’d probably take chain
But if it’s not conc/relentless/piercing, then it’s not a big deal (actually twin shot is also quite good)
placid anchor
alright thanks
reef zodiac
What build are you doing btw?
mint coral
i dont like chain on chiron, i tag one and ends up on another enemy i dont care
raw herald
I'd take flurry
reef zodiac
I don’t like flurry except on Hera
Not that it’s bad
Although to be honest I can’t tell how it affects DPS
mint coral
i take it when feeling lazy with power shots on zag bow
on hera is fun until i forgot to aim and my casts are stuck
mint coral
honestly that sounds fun
thorny mirage
Brain off
brisk trail
My brain is dead
placid anchor
hmm boon upgrade vs centaur heart?
manic bobcat
how upgraded are your boons?
and how much health do you have?
generally i would get the boon i use the most to level 3
whatever else is extra
then heart from then on
high island
No Hunter's Mark?
placid anchor
no 😭
high island
Just get HP. Your Dash has good pom scaling, but you're not gonna hit a lot of enemies with it.
placid anchor
alrighty, thanks 🙂
high island
Frost Flourish pom scaling is... okay. Not really worth it over a Centaur Heart unless you're very confident you don't need the HP.
Which I don't think you are if you're asking here.
placid anchor
no I'm not, still new
now I'm faced with either the store (226 gold) or aphrodite boon
high island
spare tiger
high island
You have a shot at Heart Rend, and you'll get to spend the money in a later shop anyway.
placid anchor
Ah gotcha, so rule of thumb: Always go for the boon if under 300 gold?
what if the alternative is anything else?
high island
Ah gotcha, so rule of thumb: Always go for the boon if under 300 gold?
I wouldn't say so, no.
Just depends on what's offered.
placid anchor
if it benefits my build I assume, thing is, I'm still unacquainted with all of the boons yet to make these calls, which is why i'm pestering y'all 😉
high island
#h1-builds-and-combat is a bit more focused on that for such questions, by the way.
placid anchor
ah cool, I have another question but I'm not sure it's related to builds/combat
that room that I was talking about, turns out it has two boons in it
artemis and aphrodite
high island
first. Always.
placid anchor
does it make a difference? don't I get the other boon after clearing the room?
pure karma
flurry shot for rama
Does it appear for Rama?
thorny mirage
No
high island
You won't be a heretic, I won't have you fed to my sacred crocodiles or dragged into Lady Aphrodite's discord to apologize to her, she'll be happy you chose her first, and you will feel good knowing you did the right thing.
pure karma
Honestly, in double boon rooms I pick the God whose negative effect is weaker during combat. Aphrodite's is a joke
high island
Lady Aphrodite's trial is considered the hardest by almost everyone, though.
pure karma
Huh?
high island
I wouldn't know. I've never not chosen her first.
pure karma
Really?
jade zenith
aphrodite is pain if you are playing any weapon that remotely needs to commit to an attack
which is most of them
pure karma
Maybe it's a high heat think I wouldn't know
Poseidon's is really lethal to me
And the worst has to be Demeter
jade zenith
a lot of the trials spawn circles on the ground that only occasionally require attention
placid anchor
as far as I remember, not picking aphrodite first has a heart chasing you while you clear, not really a problem when using a bow
my question is if in general, it affects anything else
jade zenith
aphro requires constant movement and eats up dashes regularly
placid anchor
like, is there bad reputation when not picking certain gods? is the boon selection of the second god less good than the first pick?
pure karma
Nah I don't think so
heady cypress
I'm so mad at the game
pure karma
The only thing in Double boon rooms is that they cannot offer Duo boons
chrome wharf
I've been starting Eternal Rose for fresh file + and it's putting in the work 
heady cypress
||I reached the epilog, was expecting to see the gods ingame but instead I got uncle Zeus holding hands with dad||
pure karma
||I reached the epilog, was expecting to see the gods ingame but instead I got u...
That also irritated me quite a bit yes
placid anchor
The only thing in Double boon rooms is that they cannot offer Duo boons
I've been meaning to ask about that, how do you even get duo boons?
heady cypress
Meet certain conditions and have luck
pure karma
You need to have specific boons from one god and the other
jade zenith
if you meet the requirements then they just randomly show up
placid anchor
ah ok
pure karma
Then picking up any boons from those gods has a chance to be a duo
jade zenith
check the codex if you want to see what they are
heady cypress
You need specific boons from two gods and get boons from one of the two gods
To get the duoboon itself
But it's rare
pure karma
There are also single boons from a god that have requirements of other boons from that god as well
heady cypress
Legendary boons for example
twin thistle
duo boons arent that hard to get with a bit of game knowledge and using stuff like keepsakes, eurydice nectar, yarn, and mirror upgrades
pure karma
Honestly? I get legendaries or duos virtually every run
Sometimes I get the ones I dont want
thorny mirage
I mean if you have legacy on yeah
pure karma
But getting nonne at all is rarer
thorny mirage
chaos
pure karma
Beo
gray apex
beo is the only shield aspect
pure karma
^
heady cypress
beo is the only shield aspect
I don't have beo
gray apex
Speaking of which, time to do a beo run i guess
pure karma
Then you don't have a shield I am afraid
heady cypress
Have to spend 5 titanblood to get it
gray apex
I would say Zeus
heady cypress
Then you don't have a shield I am afraid
I need the shield to get the shield
gray apex
Zeus is easy to pick up but really tough to master, it's great tho
pure karma
Just do higher heat with a diff weapon
twin thistle
well from what i know the base chance of a duo/legendary if you have the prereqs is 10% and you have 3 chances to roll it a boon. with just a god keepsake thats bumped to 20% so you have about a 50% chance then to get the duo/leg the next time to get one from the god
heady cypress
Just do higher heat with a diff weapon <:dusa:522248771409543188>
That's not my goal
I want every hidden aspect
brisk trail
why do u need beo when you have achilles spear 😋
pure karma
But you dont need to run with the weapon to get a hidden aspect afaik
heady cypress
You have to for beo
twin thistle
you need to bring the shield to chaos pretty sure
heady cypress
Yep thats it
heady cypress
You just need 5 blood invested and hear the words
The 5 tbloods were the reason why I asked for your fav aspects
twin thistle
for fists you need to bring it to asterius once too
heady cypress
I think that's it
heady cypress
The other ones should get unlocked after spending enough tb
twin thistle
chaos benefits the most from titan blood but i prefer zeus shield mostly
though yeah using chaos is more simple than zeus
pure karma
for fists you need to bring it to asterius once too
I literally never noticed any of the requirements
I kept running and running
and then they popped
heady cypress
I don't meet any requirements
Never
Just finished the story and I still don't have some aspects, my keepsakes aren't lvld and I have like 3 companions
Am missing a lot of favors too
placid anchor
so I'm faced with a door to athena and one with the guy whom I still don't know his name (it's question marks) in elysium
I don't remember if I gain anything significant from him or not
humble jewel
dude why is Zeus on the Zeus shield so fun
pure karma
dude why is Zeus on the Zeus shield so fun
Cause, it's the Zeus shield
placid anchor
weapon upgrade vs athena boon?
humble jewel
I don't know what your current boons are, but probably weapon upgrade
pure karma
I personally always go for hammers unless I have what I want already or if the boon is something I really need
humble jewel
unless you get athena dash
pure karma
What weapon are you using?
lone kernel
dude why is Zeus on the Zeus shield so fun
placid anchor
What weapon are you using?
bow, but I meant ability upgrade sorry
ability vs athena
humble jewel
does that mean pom?
placid anchor
yeah
pure karma
Well, do you have any boons that will really benefit from a level?
humble jewel
yeah, that's a hard one to answer without knowing what boons you have and what level they're at and rarity. Given your question I'm assuming you're just grabbing what you can and not going for anything in particular.