Hell Mode has nothing to do with it. I am missing weapons. And I honestly don't want to grind for them again
#h1-discussion
pure karma
whole comet
Hell Mode has Jury summon 1 on, so...
3 armored shield guy, gl with that 😦
with the sword
pure karma
Come on man, 5 heat is nothing. I am doing 20 constantly. But I have a full mirror, maxed aspects etc
whole comet
sure it is nothing once you have mirror
mint coral
5 heat is a lot when you have pretty much nothing
whole comet
but 1st run is a HUGE deal
pure karma
I mean things are different. I reached Hades in 11 runs. Previous file took over 50
But I just don't wanna play with those weapons. I just don't
whole comet
there's also the thing u can't get double dash at all
since Hermes would be not available
pure karma
First run I reached Hydra and died there
whole comet
but yeah, fresh file is prolly not meant for everyone
whole comet
But I just don't wanna play with those weapons. I just don't
oh yeah, the sword IS that bad
but then, if you're allowed to choose other weapons like range, I suppose it's less fun
but you know what
back to mirror real quick
lots of people would tell u dun check Routine Inspection
pure karma
Well, I currently have all the Zag aspects unlocked on that file.
Sword is just terrible.
Spear is meh.
Shield is good.
Fists are good.
Rail is meh.
whole comet
fresh file is pretty much have full Routine Inspection on
pure karma
I need Demeter fists. If I unlock them I will beat Hades
Yeah forgot bow. It's ok I guess.
twin thistle
fresh file is harder than 32 heat smh
twin thistle
like even with a ri4 32 heat pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/890420455616446484/33c0c296-962c-4d0e-9148-d07b34fd32da.png
twin thistle
you still got aspects, keepsakes, chaos, hermes, hammers
twin thistle
yeah the cast becomes almost useless after a couple tartarus chambers
whole comet
the wine god festive fog is prolly the best with the stun
twin thistle
alot of fresh file is getting lucky with athena and ares for ME
whole comet
but i usually got screwed by armored Elysium
meager ridge
at least i got a good boon combo
twin thistle
otherwise youll be doing like no damage
meager ridge
special deals 200%+ damage along with your special hits twice
so now the game has gone from spamming x and y to spamming y and maybe a bit of x
sour vigil
Try hidden aspect bow with Zeus special 😛
whole comet
alot of fresh file is getting lucky with athena and ares for ME
i just keep pushing on even with terrible boons
chrome wharf
tried fresh file with god mode on and died at champions
burnt breach
that's pretty good for a first try
chrome wharf
well I did have 2 completed files with all weapons 32 before that
no you can turn on god mode at the start,just pause and bring up the menu and check the box there
twin thistle
god mode will just start at 20% thats all
sour vigil
You can't turn it on if you play Hell mode.
twin thistle
so tbh it wont be all that helpful at only 20%
marsh ore
You can't turn it on if you play Hell mode.
What's hell mode?
whole comet
oh right, i was on hell mode i forgot there's normal mode XD
chrome wharf
basically hard mode, there's 5 heat you can't turn off
sour vigil
What's hell mode?
When making a new game, you can select Hell mode to make the game harder in various ways.
marsh ore
basically hard mode, there's 5 heat you can't turn off
Which conditions tho?
chrome wharf
HL1, LC1, CP1, JS1 and PL
sour vigil
The only major condition is that you don't get invulnerability when taking burst damage.
chrome wharf
lmao
burnt breach
what if forced fo1 <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
permanent oof
twin thistle
more fun than cp1 
chrome wharf
I'm doing a "fresh file +", every time I win I need to add one thing to the pact and it can't be turned off
marsh ore
Ty for explaining
whole comet
u could try turn on full RI and FO1
chrome wharf
RI isn't available at the start of the game
whole comet
well, also dun pick good keepsake
chrome wharf
I'm at MM and BP2 now
twin thistle
yeah unlocking the whole mirror takes awhile
twin thistle
i like how early game is just a lot of forcing ME
burnt breach
yeah, but that's the closest fresh file experience you can get
just make a new save file
chrome wharf
merciful end
twin thistle
^
chrome wharf
the Squabbling Siblings Duo
marsh ore
merciful end
What does it do again?
whole comet
he's asking for forced overtime 1 for hell mode fresh file i think
twin thistle
deflect makes doom effects activate immediately and do 40 more dmg
marsh ore
Oh icic
twin thistle
its busted with impending doom
marsh ore
Yea
chrome wharf
it's free Doom estate
marsh ore
That combo would slap
twin thistle
other builds kinda suck when you dont have aspects unlocked and upgraded
marsh ore
So I've been thinking about trying Rama again any tips on how to use it? I'm used to using zag bow and flurry shot and rama can't even get that hammer so I need a new plan
twin thistle
well practice dashstriking on skelly first
for rama you want like aphro/arty attack and zeus/dio/ares special
try and grab twin shot or triple shot
mint coral
And avoid repulse/explosive
sour vigil
I always just spam special with rama, can't get used to the timing
twin thistle
my go to build would be the aphro/zeus combo for attack/special. grab jolted, zeus call, smouldering air, athena or artemis dash is always nice
sour vigil
and billowing strength if you're doing smoldering air
twin thistle
if you cant get used to the attack you can do the special only build with zeus special and jolted it works and is easy to use but ofc not optimal
twin thistle
my go to build would be the aphro/zeus combo for attack/special. grab jolted, ze...
tbh the build is pretty much the exact same at this but you only care about special hammers
also if you grab swift flourish from hermes your special becomes a machine gun
and uh grab double strike and try for the splitting bolt legendary
heady cypress
I got 2 duo boons at once idk which one to pick
mint coral
What are the duos/what is your build?
mint coral
Aphro/arty
heady cypress
Yeah that one sounds better
mint coral
Artemis attack/aphro special ig?
heady cypress
Yes
My casts deal about 100 dmg cuz I have Athena on it but the power shot is just better isn't it
mint coral
Pretty much
whole comet
i believe with Aphro/Artemis duo boon, you would do like 450% more dmg to weak status enemies, right?
meager ridge
without god mode
do i feel satisfied?
no
because i know i'll have to do this 8 more times just to get the ending
whole comet
i sure like the idea people tend to know the ending b4 you get to it XD
high island
Crits on Weak enemies will do 4.5x damage instead of 3x.
heady cypress
i believe with Aphro/Artemis duo boon, you would do like 450% more dmg to weak s...
Only 150% iirc
heady cypress
because i know i'll have to do this 8 more times just to get the ending
Do you want me to say or should I not
meager ridge
say it
heady cypress
so 450% total
Yes
But you said 450% more
It's only 150% more
But ends up being 450% wanted to make sure
meager ridge
It goes on that's not the actual ending
what do you mean it goes on?
mint coral
10 runs is the ending (as in credits roll)
meager ridge
i thought you had to kill hades 10 times
whole comet
well, i would say there's post game contents
meager ridge
which is already bs
mint coral
You still have an epilogue you can do afterwards
meager ridge
it's seriously annoying
why 10 times?
imagine if you had to kill the lich 10 times in enter the gungeon
heady cypress
Didn't finish enter the gungeon yet thanks for making me remember it:3
whole comet
besides your daddy and mommy are being difficult lol
heady cypress
Completely forgot to play it
heady cypress
besides your daddy and mommy are being difficult lol
whole comet
well, Zag's I mean
marsh ore
I just rlly enjoy the combat and see the story as icing on the cake of runs
split owl
I just enjoy the game. I barely even pay attention to the story itself. lol
heady cypress
It's the opposite and the opposite for me
meager ridge
why couldn't you just kill hades one time?
ONE time?
not ten
to get the damn ending
heady cypress
I love both the story and the way the difficulty increases
high island
If you don't enjoy the game, play something else. Plenty of people who enjoy doing more runs to advance the story.
heady cypress
to get the damn ending
Because you don't have to get it
whole comet
well, think about this way
heady cypress
Just finish it once and watch it on yt if that's what you want
split owl
Spoiler Alert: You only have to kill him 9 times. He lets you pass the 10th without fighting.
grim parcel
first clear at 88th attempt!
heady cypress
Nice!
whole comet
1st clear's just the start
mint coral
first clear at 88th attempt!
Congrats!
whole comet
2nd-rest clear you make things harder with the Heat
it should not feel the exact same experience each clear
and if you're bored, we can recommend you some difficult Heat setup lol
well, I can
reef zodiac
If you don’t enjoy doing runs and only play for the story, then you’re probably gonna get frustrated with the game and that’s not the game’s fault. It wasn’t designed with players in mind who don’t enjoy the game
heady cypress
and if you're bored, we can recommend you some difficult Heat setup lol
You could also play deadcells if you just want to play another game (I like hades more tho^^)
whole comet
well this is Super Giant discord
high island
They added god mode as a means to enjoy the story without being held back by difficult combat.
grim parcel
also, 🤬 dad having two forms
split owl
I finally made it to The Ramparts in Dead Cells for the first time...after about 200 tries.
meager ridge
this is annoying
reef zodiac
try not to convince people to play other games 😄
I don’t see the issue with what they said
heady cypress
also, 🤬 dad having two forms
2:D
meager ridge
having to kill hades 10 times to get a damn ending
reef zodiac
Then don’t
meager ridge
so i'm just going to look it up
reef zodiac
Go for it
whole comet
absolutely, play the game you want,
heady cypress
As we said it's only 9 times keep going you can do it
reef zodiac
If you don’t enjoy the game, don’t play the game
meager ridge
As we said it's only 9 times keep going you can do it
no
i quit when something frustrates me
this game is up there with some of the most tedious things i've experienced
whole comet
this game is up there with some of the most tedious things i've experienced
like?
split owl
It gets easier. I beat Hades after 21 runs and now I can almost breeze through even with heat level turned up.
meager ridge
enter the gungeon
heady cypress
I finally made it to The Ramparts in Dead Cells for the first time...after about...
Cleared the game for the first in like a day or two but I still didn't finish 1bc after 90 hours
meager ridge
pretty much any clicker game
heady cypress
1bc is like immediately playing 15-20heat
whole comet
haven't played rain 2 yet,
marsh ore
1bc is like immediately playing 15-20heat
Bc?
heady cypress
haven't played rain 2 yet,
What's that
marsh ore
Boss cells
What?
whole comet
What's that
risk of rain 2
heady cypress
risk of rain 2
Is that game?
marsh ore
I replied to a deadcells related message just in case you missed that
Oh lmao a different game
whole comet
Is that game? <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yes
meager ridge
i'm going to leave this server considering i have given up on and hate hades
heady cypress
Rama keepsake recommendations?
Asphodel (not arty)
meager ridge
goodbye
heady cypress
Byebye
reef zodiac
🆗
heady cypress
Definitely not for him
whole comet
but then
heady cypress
Rest in peace 25€
mint coral
Just noticed i had an extra cast i didnt use during all of meg fight
split owl
Hades got me addicted to Roguelikes, even if I can't even beat the first level of most.. I'm still stuck on the first biome of Dead Cells.
whole comet
i personally like to replay games on harder difficult
heady cypress
Just noticed i had an extra cast i didnt use during all of meg fight <:bouldy:52...
I always forget to use battie
Or is her name batty? The German name is Fehde so idk
heady cypress
i personally like to replay games on harder difficult
Horizon new game+ 100% was fun
mint coral
I use meg summon by memory on mini bosses
chrome wharf
Battie
mint coral
Idk why i forgot the extra cast lol
chrome wharf
I still forget to use summons on daddy 80% of the time
heady cypress
Hades got me addicted to Roguelikes, even if I can't even beat the first level o...
I'm definitely not good in deadcells but I could try to help you out a bit if you want me to, just Dm me
split owl
I think the only game I've actually 100% completed so far is Telltale Batman, and even that, I can't prove it, because achievements were broken when I finished it.
heady cypress
I use meg summon by memory on mini bosses
Funfact:idk what theseus' 2nd phase with em3 is never saw it
heady cypress
Funfact:idk what theseus' 2nd phase with em3 is never saw it
Always skipping it
mint coral
Same as non em3 phase 2
remote pebble
I got summons so late, I always forget to use them
split owl
EM3 Theseus/Asterius have crazy ass armor and Theseus has a gun chariot.
whole comet
maybe it's just me
heady cypress
Same as non em3 phase 2
Oh so he goes back to being difficult after missing you for 2 minutes straight?
heady cypress
but i think EM3 feels a lot easier than normal
As long as you can deal with asterius' 3rd hit of the combo(the Shockwave)
Hard for me idek why
mint coral
Em3 theseus is fine, em3 asterius not really
whole comet
Asterius with melee maybe
split owl
I honestly didn't even turn EM3 on until I needed to unlock that prophecy that Poseiden wanted to know what his form was.
lol
heady cypress
That's the reason why I turned it back on too lol
Was too afraid to lose to them
But they are pretty easy once you get used to the fight
austere lantern
Hi everyone, new here, wanted to share my recent experience:
"Okay I reached Hades with both death defiances, let's do this."
"Awesome, he's at 10% and I still have one death defiance."
"He's at 1% and I'm on my last 20 health."
"Awesome! I finally beat him! ...Why is he resurrecting?"
mint coral
You are not the only one with death defiances
heady cypress
Exactly
austere lantern
It's genetic
split owl
Hi everyone, new here, wanted to share my recent experience:
"Okay I reached Had...
I'm surprised Hades didn't come back to life more then he did, tbh. He's the God of the Dead, after all.
whole comet
oh yeah, Hades himself
you might not notice, but his attacks were similar to Zag's Spear attack
heady cypress
Can I brag for a sec? I somehow lost everything in terms of hp before beating daddy, he had like 50-70% of his 2nd healthbar left and I killed him despite having 1hp left
whole comet
including Zag's Death Defiance lol
remote pebble
to be fair, he usually says "you should have avoided that"
heady cypress
Yeah so why don't we just avoid it
austere lantern
^ Ancient form of victim blaming?
remote pebble
underworld form
split owl
I started a fresh file. 2 runs and still haven't beaten or even gotten to Hades.
I'm going to see if I can get a better clear record - My current record is 21 runs before beating Hades.
mint coral
Dad dialogue is always funny
"Is that a boulder?"
heady cypress
Dad dialogue is always funny
"Is that a boulder?"
That one's genius
Never heard it tho
Yet
mint coral
Need to have companion
austere lantern
rebellious age? is that the word? lol
I mean, hard to find parents who WANT their kid to stay with them at home forever
heady cypress
Makes sense
austere lantern
It makes sense now, Hades secretly loves us, that's why he doesn't want us to escape
whole comet
Hades the game is pretty much family drama with Greek Myth
austere lantern
His wife left him, Nyx is no comfort, who else does he have but us and Cerberus?
whole comet
It makes sense now, Hades secretly loves us, that's why he doesn't want us to es...
well, there's more to the no escape thing
which i think is his primary reason
thorny mirage
He…doesn’t really like Zagreus? And treated him like dirt
I don’t believe it’s a matter of him wanting comfort
whole comet
but Zag's still have a lot of prince power
most enemies fought you because Hades orders to
so i say Zag's been treated well
high island
Hades the game is pretty much family drama with Greek Myth
So... Greek mythology.
whole comet
i say it's like a disney adaption of Greek Myth
austere lantern
i say it's like a disney adaption of Greek Myth
Accurate
whole comet
lol now thinking back
Aladdin and Little Mermaid
those also had some family drama which i think did not exist in the original source
thorny mirage
i say it's like a disney adaption of Greek Myth
no. It’s a lot less sanitized
pure karma
i say it's like a disney adaption of Greek Myth
Like a polyamorous relationship would exist in a disney thing.
thorny mirage
hey nyaanyaa was namedropped in haelian’s new vid
reef zodiac
Just got delta chamber on Hestia lol thanks for nothing AP2
dusky wedge
Does FO change Lambent Plume time reqs? Or is it the same with or without FO?
heady cypress
Am I the only one who sometimes sings along with orpheus?
mint coral
Does FO change Lambent Plume time reqs? Or is it the same with or without FO?
Doesnt affect it afaik (which is nice, faster spawns for the same time)
heady cypress
dusky wedge
Doesnt affect it afaik (which is nice, faster spawns for the same time)
Nice
heady cypress
What exactly is the effect of "touch of styx" and Is there a condition to buy it? It's the only thing from the well that I'm missing for the prophecy
grim parcel
What exactly is the effect of "touch of styx" and Is there a condition to buy it...
need stubborn defiance
heady cypress
Thanks
burnt breach
https://twitter.com/Nickles31587028/status/1442569237353021449?s=19
rookie numbers
https://imgur.com/XNsvoql
mint coral
What exactly is the effect of "touch of styx" and Is there a condition to buy it...
Boosts how much hp SD recovers
heady cypress
Common arty attack or epic arty dash as my 1st boon for Rama?
whole comet
i believe you need the green Death Defiance
mint coral
Arty dash imo, rama doesnt really need attack boon for tartarus
whole comet
to get Touch of Styx
mint coral
Then just grab aphro attack if you dont get one
mint coral
Pony carrying the QoL as always
burnt breach
chrome wharf
Am I the only one who sometimes sings along with orpheus? <:bouldy:5233291169346...
I do it too, if he sings good riddance solo I sing the Eurydice part
burnt breach
must be nice to remember lyrics
chrome wharf
subtitles
chrome wharf
I have Lament memorized because I had to type it all out for my piano arrangement
uh. google?
heady cypress
You can also just listen to orpheus and try to sing while messing up terribly
marsh ore
I can not express how happy I was when Theseus started getting upset at the minotaur Because asterious recognized me as a worthy opponent and then Theseus kept getting more and more upset this is my payback for how rude he usually is
heady cypress
Never felt so pressured
Had 6 seconds left and daddy was oneshot(just like me)
Lost a winning streak of 10
Or 11 idk
pure karma
I did yes
At 32 heat as well
But I removed it now, it's too much for me
Trying to make a hangover/trippy shot build
The fates are cruel today
Ah, AP also affects poms
fml
mint coral
AP moment
heady cypress
||can you sleep with dusa||?
thorny mirage
No
pure karma
||can you sleep with dusa||?
10 bottles of Ambrosia weren't enough
heady cypress
So having every heart is not enough?
thorny mirage
Nah she has a realization
pure karma
"I like you prince, I even love you but I am literally a floating head. Won't work"
"Wait Dusa..."
thorny mirage
nah she’s like
heady cypress
I think the scene in the bedroom has to appear first
I'll just die a couple of times then
Will happen anyway
Turned on em4 and hl4 so I die and don't try to finish the run cuz it'd take too long
pure karma
BTW, do the weights work like the Lyre? If I keep interacting with them Zag will lift them?
void vigil
nope
heady cypress
BTW, do the weights work like the Lyre? If I keep interacting with them Zag will...
Wait that's how you learn the lyre?
pure karma
Come on zag, you can kill gods and stuff, can;t lift some weights?
heady cypress
Had that thought too but it seemed dumb cuz orpheus gives you tips
So I just stopped clicking it
pure karma
There is a prophecy
heady cypress
Takes ~200 interactions
In a row? Or do you have to do runs between them
pure karma
Not in a row
whenever
I finally bought the Sundial
How does it work indoors? WHO KNOWS
pure karma
Oh look at the time
Hades needs to go back to the house and eat his soup
Does the Achilles buff affect hangover?
mint coral
If you want hangover memes use eris
raw herald
Or zag spear 
pure karma
I am using chiron
heady cypress
Turned on em4 and hl4 so I die and don't try to finish the run cuz it'd take too...
It worked lmao
Daddy hit me for 72
Was using stubborn defiance so that was basically my entire healthpool
last veldt
Yeah, I've been hit for 80. Not sure if that's the max, but it hurts!
raw herald
153
raw herald
The green trap with heightened security
This but with Beowulf
gray apex
Do you take increased dmg?
Beo takes +10% dmg
last veldt
You put HS for a low heat run ... That's a bold move.
whole comet
man, that 100% Olympian-free achievement sux
first Tartaras i already got forced to get 3 boons XD
gray apex
You'll always be forced to take boons, gotta roll the non miniboss ones off and not use the ones that you have to pick
remote pebble
there's an achievement?
whole comet
well, i can't reroll yet in this file
void vigil
there is no achievement, just a victory commendation
remote pebble
ah
whole comet
there's 2 version of it
you gotta pick less than 5 boons and purge all when you get to Hades
or just purge all when you get to Hades
twin thistle
ya using fated authority?
gray apex
I did mine so long ago
whole comet
i can't do it yet on my current save file
heady cypress
I've Been clicking on the lyre for the past 10 minutes is there a way to know how much is left?
pure karma
Does it play nice, long chords?
twin thistle
when nicer sounding ur closer
also might need to leave and reenter the room sometimes or something
remote pebble
lol
quartz hearth
well, if it's not going squonk!! anymore, you're making some progress at least 🤣
pure karma
That is like too far behind
Eventually it will start playing nice sounds but short duration
and then it will play like small solos
heady cypress
There are also notes coming out
quartz hearth
Patience 😁 It's still a lot faster than learning a real instrument, at least
heady cypress
I'll stop for now
pure karma
Chiron is MISERABLE in styx
heady cypress
It'll probably stay at squonk forever if I try to do everything now
pure karma
the closed spaces
raw herald
Yeah you kinda need breaking wave
twin thistle
yeah chiron doesnt work well up close
raw herald
What level was your special
pure karma
Lvl7 or 8 Heroic
white merlin
hey guys quick question
does using mods cause any conflict with achievements or anythign like that?
raw herald
Not in my experience
whole comet
curious, what kinda of mods exist?
pure karma
Check Nexus mods
whole comet
ugh forced 5boons again 😦
rapid agate
very bad joke but hades uses staff of homa from genshin impact and i can't prove it just look it up and confirm it by yourself
white merlin
curious, what kinda of mods exist?
theres a lot of stuff. i didnt know there were mods for this until a few days ago
people have even made weapon rebalances
lone kernel
I've Been clicking on the lyre for the past 10 minutes is there a way to know ho...
i did it for an hour (during a work meeting, i literally just held a joycon and mashed L the entire meeting) and then i got it
it may have been overkill
pure karma
very bad joke but hades uses staff of homa from genshin impact and i can't prove...
Looks similar but it's different.
rapid agate
Looks similar but it's different.
i know i know i just find it hilarious
rapid agate
people have even made weapon rebalances
yeah and i'm offended by the one that upgrades bow
whole comet
phew made it to Hades no boon
mint coral
just pray to fated authority
twin thistle
the feeling of power when you reroll all 3 styx boon doors into obols and hearts 
thorny mirage
Power
bright reef
What weapon do you recommend
twin thistle
the one you like
bright reef
Dam
nocturne ginkgo
Hm I did the Rama run and I had everything to make it good but chiron bow just feels better lol
whole comet
lost 😦
gotta try again lol
man, i was a bit overconfident
got hit with stun and KOed by laser
bright reef
Do you guys have any advice for asphodel
whole comet
hmmm.. watch out for the blue skelly
once it starts doing the swing
even if you hit it, it still continues
twin thistle
if its armoured
whole comet
no, that includes unarmor for blue skelly
twin thistle
well if you stop hitting it
bright reef
My main problems are the blue witches and the Medusa and cyclops head mini bosses
I've only ever beaten the hydra once
whole comet
ah so you have problem with mini bos
well, do u have weapon preference, or just pick weapon with darkness bonus?
twin thistle
well for early game id recommend the ME build well except for rail
take doom on attack and athena on special
try to get the merciful end duo boon
whole comet
blue witches balls can be annoying, but aoe like sword special, spear aoe, or bow special
whole comet
spam aoe on blue witches, and should be easy to deal with
or range attack destroy the balls
medusa did 2 types of attack
twin thistle
you can see duo boons in the codex. ME makes athena abilites activate doom immediately
whole comet
fire 5 shot or 1 by 1
if you see her doing the 1 by 1, i recommend you just dash around until she's done
the 5 shot should be easy to dash around
after she does the attack, she will just move back a little bit, you have 2-3 seconds to go in and attack it
obvious, if u use range weapon, easy to deal with
assuming u go for medusa head first
the cyclops head should be easy to tell
but u might wanna purposely let it drop down first
then attack medusa
or, keep a safe distance from medusa, and try kill the cyclops first
i think that should work, regardless of what boons u picked up
bright reef
Rn I have tempest flourish heavens vengeance and divine dash on my gun
twin thistle
yeet got epic doom and exploding launcher on ME zag spear
for rail you want zeus on attack and his boon that gives zeus attacks the jolted status effect
bright reef
Aren't the boons you get all rng
whole comet
yup. that's why i suggest u just understand the boss pattern
instead of relying on boons to kill them b4 they kill u
twin thistle
not really all rng
using god keepsakes will guarantee getting the gods you want
and some boons have higher chances to roll
also after upgrading your mirror you control rng some more
whole comet
did u give nectar to gods?
bright reef
Ye
whole comet
if u put on those keepsake first, they will almost gurantee the 1st boon of your choice
so u have more control of the first boon RNG
unless you got the hammer
twin thistle
annnd the ultimate lvl 0 zag spear is complete
wait a sec
power
okay nvm it got better i have divine dash now
bright reef
I beat the snake with gun
rose fox
Man, this month's challenge is brutal. I'm so used to darting all over the place that I totally forgot how to dodge anything without dash.
whole comet
finally make to Thessus less than 5 boons
whole comet
enjoy the first blind fight 😄
whole comet
i suggest you take down the beef first
both bosses had phase 2 once you take them below 50%
bright reef
Aight
whole comet
thessus spear attack does high dmg
you notice the pink marker on u?
when it glows, be sure to either hide behind pillar or have dash ready
twin thistle
generally try to dash behind asterius when he attacks
when he does his bull charge you can dash though a pillar and he will likely run into it
whole comet
oh but dun stand in front of Asterius when he does the jump slam
he could land right in front of u and hit mass dmg
bright reef
I got a gist of what asterius can do considering I beat him already
In pretty cautious of Theseus tho
twin thistle
when theseus starts phase two he drops his shield and he's vulnerable for a period so you can do a lot of damage to him easily if you keep dashing
whole comet
Thessus spear is the most dangerous attack
bright reef
He's annoying which makes it worse
twin thistle
having good dps is pretty important
whole comet
last 5 room, the 2 non boon rooms didnt give sack
..........
now gotta retry again 😦
twin thistle
i like how i keep getting merciful end in this new file
dont even have dark foresight unlocked yet
only problem is i have doom on my special and not attack
bright reef
Is there a way to get a lot of Titans blood
twin thistle
beating the game
whole comet
lol do you even know what they do?
bright reef
Ye
whole comet
oh u unlock all the weapon b4 beating hades?
whole comet
once you beat the game, u'll get more methods
bright reef
Oh
mint coral
nice 500 darkness
bitter needle
I was using Bow so no guan yu or cursed slash, ||meg summon|| so no heals, ended 280/280 health and favored&envied still ate my perfect clear orz
mint coral
neither perfect clear or favored&envied have priority so the game chooses at random
twin thistle
when i did boonless 40 heat hestia rail minotaurs toughness ate my 100% olympian free
mint coral
i remember for the summer challenge some people got the "disciple of poseidon" title eated by the "x of hermes" titles lol
bitter needle
I was going for the ‘Souvla Snacker’ once and I’m pretty sure I would’ve gotten it but I forgot about “made friends along the way” til I was already with pat, had already seen the other two 
whole comet
question for 100% olympian free
so if i pick the 4th boon, and it lets me replace one of my boon
would it count as 3 boon purged for that ?
or would it still count 4 boon in the end?
mint coral
rolled for special damage from chaos, curse that comes with it is "5 damage when using special"
as if hazard bomb wasnt enough
should i continue the meme, keeping aphro attack and hope for heart rend, zeus aid, or embrace being normal and take zeus replace attack
(em4 btw)
mint coral
should i continue the meme, keeping aphro attack and hope for heart rend, zeus a...
cant believe following the meme paid off, took zeus aid and got smoldering air next room lmao
thorny mirage
my mom saw me drawing thanatos and asked if it was naruto ⁉️
I mean they look very similar with their different colored hair, different personalities, different artstyles…
mint coral
got a hammer ch1 with rail and it started with triple/bomb/cluster lmao
rose badger
Will the hades Vinyl be sold again?
dusky wedge
did the no boon run with 33 Heat
Boneless run? What’s that?
whole comet
oops lol
whole comet
it is a bit rough
fast axle
hey, i just noticed that on my near 100% account, im missing a prophecy
"the reluctant musician", which you get by releasing orpheus
any idea how i get that?
gray apex
it is a bit rough
It’s a weird pact but to each their own, nice run
fast axle
i already maxed my relationship with all characters
including orpheus
and there is no more unique dialogue
twin thistle
like max as in have bond forged and their little sticker?
fast axle
yessir
twin thistle
thats weird then
whole comet
It’s a weird pact but to each their own, nice run
strange as it sounds
one of my ultimate goal is to do 33 heat boonless on 2nd attempt of Hades
which is why i dun use the gun
cause there's no way u could unlock adamant on 2nd attempt
twin thistle
like to get orpheus' bond you need to free him which should trigger the achievement
twin thistle
one of my ultimate goal is to do 33 heat boonless on 2nd attempt of Hades
you dont even have hammers then...
whole comet
yeah
fast axle
ive been playing for a long time (about halfway thru early access), is it possible that he was released without a work order when i played?
fast axle
and now that he is released i cant buy the thing to release him?
twin thistle
yeah the achievement might be bugged...
fast axle
well i knew that
just trying to figure out if there is a fix
"orpheus go back to jail"
twin thistle
well theres a support channel
whole comet
you dont even have hammers then...
i'm not really relyin on hammer anyway
twin thistle
itll still make your boonless dps even more terrible...
which sounds like suffering
twin thistle
actually you wont have shackle either
whole comet
oh yeah, there's probably i lot of things i still didn't know
but then
not gonna lie, i could figure out the detail after i manage the fresh clear first
then would see how that 2nd 32 Heat run would be like
i only know that i would most likely be able to get double dash and 1 DD and bow unlock
twin thistle
hmmm
whole comet
keepsake is still possible, since dino could give u a nectar
but not gonna rely on that
twin thistle
bow dash powershot is 50 damage. dad has 16k i think per phase so thats 320 shots a phase
i dont think you can even see sisyphus your first run though
whole comet
as long as no FO2
then, i could get skelly
assume i got a nectar
i mean,
i dun mind if the run is 2 hrs
twin thistle
idk if dio even offers premium vintage first run either tbh
twin thistle
oh okay
whole comet
i mean
twin thistle
until 2 hour run and forced a styx boon
whole comet
i really think 33 heat with boon isnt hard
after all, demeter would be unlocked
which means i could get duo athena/demeter boon
the life regen one
and you know
drag the fight, you get full hp bnack
twin thistle
err is she though? one of the conditions for her is reaching the surface but she might be overriden by other stuff
whole comet
1st clear reaches the surface
i assume demeter would be unlocked?
at least, wiki said
u gotta reach Hades once to get demeter
twin thistle
that's probably assuming its not from first clear though
whole comet
hmmm... fair point
twin thistle
like the first couple runs are kinda forced with certain events/first room boons
whole comet
probably should test it first on normal god mode
twin thistle
like pretty sure run 2 is zeus and 3 is hammer
whole comet
to be sure
twin thistle
yeah thatd be a good idea
whole comet
hell mode and normal mode should be identical in that regard
twin thistle
yep
twin thistle
hmm yeah
rn im on run 6 and i was offered demeter for the first time
but i had a clear on 3
twin thistle
yeah that was 5 i think
whole comet
actually, maybe better that way
if Call could be offered on 2nd attempt
it makes it a cake walk XD
but if u can get life regen, that's also a cake walk...
oh, i realize a giant mistake
Extreme Measure is locked on 2nd attempt XD
i gotta readjust 6 points on the pact on something else...
gray apex
Tight deadline
whole comet
with lvl 1 bow zag aspect and potentially boonless
probably would expect 1hr over run
actually, even with boon, might only could put 1 point
brisk trail
No extreme measures?
twin thistle
cant at run 2
whole comet
extreme measure won't be unlocked until u see all 3 fury sisters
brisk trail
I guess? But that just looks like pain.
whole comet
well, i guess u gotta see the other bosses too to unlock their rank
brisk trail
But who goes to 33 heat at run 2 anyways?
whole comet
i plan to
brisk trail
You are a lunatic
whole comet
but i'm aiming bigger
high island
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/892258567447519252/S...
Easy peasy.
whole comet
Fresh clear, the 2nd attempt 32 Heat boonless
twin thistle
gl....
high island
I can't bring myself to do boonless again, it's so bland. 
whole comet
at the very least
as long as i dun have FO2
the boss patterns shouldn't be hard
at least meg and hydra r easy
thessus would be annoying...
brisk trail
I like Theseus…
whole comet
well i like his char
but his fight is actually a lot more random than Hades imo
for one, i won't even know which god he would call upon
brisk trail
I guess.
whole comet
and Asterius phase 2
brisk trail
Some gods like Demeter screw me so hard
whole comet
even with FO1, his bull charge is quite hard to dodge
whole comet
this looks like hell ngl
in Devil May Cry, this would be Hell and Hell mode XD
chrome wharf
Well at least it's TD0 so grab a ranged weapon
forest falcon
Demeter call is propably the most annoying in the thesus fight
brisk trail
Is it just me or em3 theseus is easier to kill than normal theseus
whole comet
it could be
chrome wharf
He doesn't have a shield for half the time, so yeah
also the threshold for phase 2 feels lower so you can take him out before the 1st call wave ends
either that, or by then you have enough mirror stuff to have good builds
whole comet
his aoe bomb did more dmg, but easier to avoid than spear
chrome wharf
Those bombs are crazy with HL5
whole comet
but if u use sword or fist
it could be a different story
Asterius slam attack will also aoe around himself
so u have less opportunity to safely dmg him
and Thessus chariot would also dmg u if you attack too close
foggy orbit
I definitely think he’s easier with EM3, just chasing him around in his silly chariot. For me at least, it’s worth it just to get rid of his shield for the majority of that fight.
brisk trail
How many damage you can take all at once?
rapid forum
modern garnet
You mean without personal liability?
I think you get an automatic shield if you take over 50% of your hp
whole comet
i wonder
why people somehow know 32 heat
this guy has not even done EM3
and already wanna do 32
hearty sierra
Challenge
high island
Why not? Let people have fun taking on a challenge. They'll make their own experiences.
hearty sierra
Also statue :D
whole comet
what i mean is,
how'd they even know that challenge exists
when they haven't even completed 8 or 16
they just jump to 32 lol
twin thistle
well ppl do talk a lot about 32 heat
but yeah jumping to 32 maybe not the best idea
whole comet
Skelly would be proud
high island
Some people watch streamers or youtubers before they get the game, too.
unborn bramble
Skelly status shows 8 16 32
So it's a thing.
raw herald
If only there was one for 64
livid zealot
having a hard time defending against ranged attacks with the gauntlet
like when theres a chamber full of mages with armour spamming orbs
iz a big yikes
whole comet
you mean the lava area with 4 blue witches, right?
unless you have mini-boss perk on
brisk trail
like when theres a chamber full of mages with armour spamming orbs
The witch is annoying as hell
whole comet
all the balls could be destroyed/reflected
brisk trail
Also that white witch orb direct hit
whole comet
so if you're using spear, u could spam the spin attack
brisk trail
it took quarter of my hp instantly
whole comet
or if ur using bow
the normal attack would straight line kill the balls
and special to clear balls around u
livid zealot
yeah, but gauntlet doesnt have any innate blocking or deflecting right?
whole comet
no, u gotta git gud 😄
pure karma
Is it just me or em3 theseus is easier to kill than normal theseus
IMO yes. Bull is the real threat in EM3
brisk trail
His spin is cancerous
Especially if you are unlucky enough to get hit 6 times in a row
pure karma
yeah, but gauntlet doesnt have any innate blocking or deflecting right?
I dash behind them with Demeter fists when the special is charged and whisper "omae wa mou shindeiru" every single time. No need to deflect.
whole comet
man,
going back to fresh file normal is surely easy...
just made to Hades and lost
but 2nd attempt, Demeter boon does show up
so 2nd attempt, i can definitely go for Athena/Demeter boon for hp regen
brisk trail
Is there any difference if you get to the end on the very first run?
whole comet
u see, early i state that 33 heat on 2nd attempt is easy
twin thistle
think the dialogue is slightly different
whole comet
because with boon, u could get OP boon
that's not strictly true
the voice lines were the same
but normally, when Zag said the "you know you're right the weather " dialogues
he would use the smug face
fresh file 1st time, he uses the more serious one instead
dialogue-wise, exactly the same
raw herald
I've never done a fresh file run
twin thistle
why do i feel like 2nd run 33 heat boonless will take like 3 hours
whole comet
well shorter than most people's time to spend on getting 33 heat, yes?
besides, i'm just saying 33 heat with boon
the boonless might have to come later
i feel like i should try boon and see if it's really easy... cause i could be wrong lo
twin thistle
well if you get a merciful end build going itll go somewhat fast kinda
raw herald
Why specifically 33 heat?
raw herald
It's certainly not a free heat point
whole comet
meh, i feel like better be fair so the 32 points would also work on normal
with 1 extra credit point
on hell
raw herald
It's gonna be harder, CP1 at 32 heat is not ideal
vapid narwhal
CP1 at 32 is brutal
raw herald
Fun
whole comet
brisk trail
Is extreme measure the hardest condition?
twin thistle
ri4
raw herald
Nah
raw herald
I feel like the minority when I say that non-EM3 is way easier
brisk trail
EM3 actually feels easie
aint so extreme measure now lol
raw herald
But 100 damage bombs with FO2 kinda sucks
twin thistle
like with non em3 all theseus does is throw a spear thats easy to dodge anyways
raw herald
Cant exactly do that at 50 heat
whole comet
that attack speed increase is insane
twin thistle
id much rather just have fo2 than js3 cp2 and dc2 ty
whole comet
like with non em3 all theseus does is throw a spear thats easy to dodge anyways
have u tried FO2 with Thessus Spear and Bull Rush?
twin thistle
yeah
brisk trail
like with non em3 all theseus does is throw a spear thats easy to dodge anyways
Spear kinda annoying
whole comet
a bit too crazy to deal with for me
twin thistle
em3 with fo2 is alot more of a pain than non em3
twin thistle
theseus' spear throw really doesnt matter
carmine ravine
Em3 is pretty easy
brisk trail
I wonder what happen if you fail the time condition thing
i forgot what is it called
carmine ravine
I prefer em3 than non em3
raw herald
Take 5 damage per second overtime
whole comet
there's also some range armor units with the attack speed perk
twin thistle
you take 5 damage a second
raw herald
I was once 2 seconds from dying, I was like 45 seconds overtime
whole comet
those r insane
brisk trail
I hate the shield guy
twin thistle
when get a 5 sack with 32 heat td3 boonless hestia and win after a while minute getting ticked lol
is theseus' spear throw really that annoying or do you just not like the shield
raw herald
Just stand behind him
brisk trail
Both
whole comet
i dun like a LOT of enemies with attack speed increase lol
raw herald
Solve both issues
whole comet
those r some examples of the worst
brisk trail
Theseus would be super easy if it werent for that shield
whole comet
there's also the Styx medusa statues
twin thistle
well he just turns around and walks away with his back to you after throwing the spear
free hits
whole comet
almost instant hit u if u dun dash immediately
if u got the armored one, it could get annoying
to be fair, i was working on the fate list
so i tend to just pick the boon i'm missing on >20 heat run
and just switching around pact
instead of sticking with one
prolly my personal reason that i hate Tight deadline
cause that one kinda forces u to play good and fast
brisk trail
Speedrunning hades moment
whole comet
it is part of Hades
my new goal is fresh clear hell mode for now, so those 50+ Heat could wait
gray apex
my new goal is fresh clear hell mode for now, so those 50+ Heat could wait
What pact do you plan to use for 50
Just interested
gray apex
Is it also a similar stalling strategy
pure karma
Have you people noticed that when the Bull with EM3 charges his spin it makes the exact same sound as when Hades charges his lazers?
whole comet
yes at 40 heat
gray apex
Nice
whole comet
pretty much stubborn roots
it itself wins u a lot with no deadline
who knows
maybe i can beat 58 Heat with the same tactic? 😄
gray apex
whole comet
a big if of course
prolly won't work since approvel process gotta be on
i'll say 55 Heat is the furthest u could go with stalling
whole comet
that's not the priority atm lol
or if i even wanna do that
i could only say 40 Heat is beatable with stalling
whole comet
the routine inspection one
so sad that double dash would be gone XD
btw, i think i might have confused u something
raw herald
You could do a TD0 run at 50+ but it would be boring
whole comet
i'm saying 50 Heat with stall is a possible tactic to do
does not mean i will only do that lol
raw herald
Usually you either hope to get a broken build and fight EM4, or have an awful build with RI1/2 and AP2
But not EM4
whole comet
"hope" is a strong word 😄
whole comet
personally, i dun see why no TD0 is boring
everything lives longer
you gotta survive longer
raw herald
If you're used to clearing quickly, then its boring
whole comet
it still has it's struggle
smoky kiln
just beat my highest heat tonight finally woop woop
raw herald
Yeah
whole comet
my slight problem with that is
vapid narwhal
especially when the things can take you out in 3 hits
whole comet
strong build is not guranteed
vapid narwhal
nuke things = less things to kill you
whole comet
so yeah, when it did not hit u with good boons, kinda felt like the TD would kill u
whole comet
i did TD2 with the fist
vapid narwhal
but I'm not going to judge since RI works for you I guess
whole comet
and it went terrible 😦
raw herald
Yep
vapid narwhal
imagine no hunting blades no vicious cycle no black meta on achilles into Styx?
raw herald
My runs can sometimes be 1.7-2× slower than my PB even if I'm going for speed
vapid narwhal
it does happen sometimes
whole comet
quick question
so 59 Heat should be the easiest you can do, right?
that's with CP1 JS1 and Damage control off, all else on
gray apex
How would that be any easy
vapid narwhal
Chiron, Eris, fists
raw herald
Good luck with RI4 lol
raw herald
Is this still with TD0?
whole comet
no, TD max on
pure karma
Nope. can't play with Guan Yu
raw herald
Well, for my Hestia run I did everything maxed except I did EM3, JS2, CP0 and RI2
And DC0
whole comet
jury summon a huge deal for TD, right?
late acorn
does rama put debuffs on all the enemies hit by attacks if they have shared suffering?
raw herald
No
whole comet
so yeah, JS1, CP1, RI0, DC 0, all else on 51 Heat hell mode
this would be the easiest to do, i imagine?
well, easy for 50 heat i mean
raw herald
Depends on the aspect
whole comet
hmmm how about weapon?
whole comet
think all weapon type can beat this 51 Heat consistent?
raw herald
No
raw herald
EM4 with fists is really hard
raw herald
Hestia would be impossible for 64 Heat?
Pretty much yeah