h1-discussion

[pure karma]

I meanb it's not bad

[raw herald]

Trippy flare poms increase by double the stated value

[pure karma]

still clearing but compared to poseidon it;s much weaker

[raw herald]

So instead of 100 -> 160 it's 100 -> 220

So that's why poms matter a lot

[pure karma]

I am getting poms anywhere I can

and nectars

I have the contractor bugg

buff

trying to get mirage but no poseidon yet

[cloud lichen]

who is hades' father

zagreus has a father, but whose is hades

[pure karma]

Charon also took two defiances

shouldnt have fought him

Some titan

like all gods

[rapid forum]

Cronus

I think that's how it's spelled

[cloud lichen]

cool

[steady geyser]

How would you guys rank money vs pom vs heart, assuming max LC, CF, thick skin and stubborn defiance?

[pure karma]

It can be spelled Cronus, Cronos and Kronos

[cloud lichen]

this game is kinda weird, because irl my father left me, and not the other way around

[raw herald]

Depends on the build, but probably heart > pom >>> money

Pom > heart if it's a cast build

[steady geyser]

Ok cool

Be honest, do you guys ever just restart until you get the starting boon you want?

[vapid narwhal]

no I don't

as long as I have the keepsake equipped

because it's incredibly rare that you dont get a certain core boon from your keepsake starting god in Tartarus

like if you want artemis special and have her show up in room 1, it's a 3/5 chance that you have it show up in the selection assuming no Approval Process.

[steady geyser]

I do be using approval process

[vapid narwhal]

plus, restarting (giving up) doesnt change your first room boon selection

that room is always seeded

you have to actually die to reset it

[steady geyser]

Oh right I forgot that lol

[raw herald]

3 in 4

Calls aren't offered in the first boon

[vapid narwhal]

yeah

3/4

[steady geyser]

Zagreus: Who needs sleep?
Me: Hah that’s the spirit Zag

[hushed pumice]

Iirc the titans fathered Zeus, Poseidon and Hades

[cloud lichen]

titans dlc when

[steep ridge]

I would love to see that

[pure karma]

Sadly Supergiant is not big on DLC

[proper belfry]

titans update then

[pure karma]

Can I get offered duo boons from two gods that are currently both in a trial room?

[steady geyser]

Is there a way to get Orpheus to sing the song when you pick one to listen to

[steady geyser]

I think someone said you can’t get duo boons from trial rooms

[warm geode]

You mean have him sing the song instead of it playing from the music stand?

Cus if so I don’t think so

[steady geyser]

Rip, Orpheus got a under-worldly voice

Would like to hear it on command

[warm geode]

You can, just not from him lol

[lone kernel]

No, but you can get legendaries

[fast willow]

im pretty bad with bow but its the last weapon i need a win with, do you guys have any easy bow builds

[vapid narwhal]

no duos from trial rooms, only legendaries

what aspect do you have?

[fast willow]

i have chiron lv1 and zag bow

[vapid narwhal]

zag bow max rank, artemis attack, aphrodite special or dash, go for heartrend

chiron lv 1 is not very good unfortunately

for hammer, twin shot and point blank are good

dash strike often

[lone kernel]

Also take your time - you need to be less aggressive than you otherwise would be

[rapid forum]

There's a rhythm to bow, keep at it and you'll be fine

[pure karma]

Oof, -58% movement speed is MUCH worse than I expected

I might have thrown the run

[rapid forum]

Just spam the dash button

Honestly it's not as bad as dash range -x

[fast willow]

my zag bow is also lv1 though

[pure karma]

what if I have both?

[lone kernel]

Then I hope you’re playing a shield lol

[pure karma]

At what lvl it becomes good? I am gonna upgrade it a bit

[pure karma]

Chaos sheild yeah

shield

With zeus on special

its fun

[lone kernel]

Bill rush everything then haha

[pure karma]

I have the ranged attack too

[lone kernel]

Rush, special, repeat til curse expires

[pure karma]

I dont have both btw, I just said "what if"

[lone kernel]

Oh. Then you’d lose a defiance prob

My bad it’s early af

[pure karma]

I'm jk bro

what if I have no defiances? what do I lose then?

"The prince thought being unable to move is a good idea in the realm of the dead. He stepped in the arena and this happened:"

[vapid narwhal]

4/5, basically max rank

[pure karma]

Hm, probably dont have enough blood

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-escape-rick-tyler-susan-tyler-camp-counselors-south-park-gif-21527370

[spare tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-planet-captain-pollution-cpmeme-there-is-no-escape-gif-13306472

[pure karma]

Ok, first time ever EM3

But I have a pretty damn strong build

didnt lose hp

[spare tiger]

Now go play EM4

[pure karma]

W-wait a sec man

I am at 13 heat

let me comfortably reach 20 then I will try

[oak gull]

Alright. I want to bust my balls, but still have fun. With the achilles (2) spear, a fully upgraded mirror and EM4.

Any good suggestions to how I can make it F U N?

It only really requires heat 4, but I routinely overshoot the heat anyway.

[oak gull]

I can heartily recommend always playing with EM4.

[pure karma]

Hey, I probably ruined my build just befoer first time em4 hades

love it

welp lets see lol

[oak gull]

remember to set the music to max and to not have any sound running in the background

[pure karma]

Didnt reach pahse 3

I ruined my build so bad

[fast willow]

is there any use to keys after unlocking all the mirror stuff

[forest falcon]

Man I'm so bad with the gloves

They deal a load of damage but i take so much as well

Lost a dd to meg

Hasn't happened in forever

[brisk trail]

You can use them at the wretched broker and reset the mirror

[pure karma]

Nope cant beat em4

[thorny mirage]

You definitely can

Believe in thyself

[brisk trail]

Max Chiron bow and go Zeus for days 😎

[pure karma]

I can use Rama if I go that way

[brisk trail]

Rama deez

[brisk trail]

is Shield a good weapon

there all good

just what u like

i dont like shield but many say its the best in the game

[spare tiger]

Once you have the entire Mirror maxed, just Wretched Broker for Nectars

...so not really

[pure karma]

As a new player, I can tell you that they are all good and viable. Some are better than others sure.

Just find the ones you like to play

[brisk trail]

every weapon is viable

some zag aspects are meh tho

[brisk trail]

haha block go brrrr

[fast willow]

its totally up to your playstyle, what might be generally considered the most "optimal" may not be what works best for you

[oak gull]

The fourth aspect is good for cast builds, that are different. It is like Hera in how it loads casts.

The Zeus aspect is amazing with a Zeus boon on the special. The tricks you can do with the special are fun and effective.

I don't like the Chaos shield, it throws multiple shields, but they don't seem to each proc stuff and are temperamental.

And the ordinary shield is... eh, boring?

[covert zenith]

Shield can block, which no other weapon can do, and it's offence is still very strong

[brisk trail]

beo busted tho 😳

[humble jewel]

hi guys, new here. I'm a blind Hades player and I absolutely love it. I've got a question. I recently tried to aspect of Rama and I love it, bit since I can't see numbers, I wanna know does the shared suffering only apply to your attack or does it apply to any damage they take from things like zeu's lightning or cast or anything that isn't attack.

that, but without the typos.

[mint coral]

only attack

[last veldt]

So, several times now I've taken the chaos egg in asphodel and failed to see a single chaos gate. Is this expected?

[humble jewel]

It is. It doesn't actually force chaos like the other god keepsakes

[mint coral]

you can only force them with the light of ixion item from charon wells

[last veldt]

I knew it didn't force it next chamber or anything, but I expected it at least somewhere

Nothing to do with carrying Lucifer or anything

[jade zenith]

asphodel is already the shortest region

[last veldt]

True

And are some chaos boons much less likely than others. Getting an attack boost seems rare.

[brisk trail]

i've never actually gotten chaos attack

ever

i still haven't gotten the prophecy yet

[last veldt]

I seem to always need to roll for an attack boost from chaos, but things like more money or even an extra cast seem more common.

I often roll twice to get it.

[mint coral]

for me is the opposite lmao, cast damage/extra casts never

[last veldt]

Huh

[oak gull]

To be honest, the earlier you can get an upgraded rarity boon from chaos, the better.

You can't go wrong with that.

[last veldt]

I regret trading +40% attack for -65% dash distance 2 chambers before Theseus.

[humble jewel]

what is your absolute favourite aspect?

[mint coral]

beo/zeus

[brisk trail]

I've only really played with Achilles and Chiron

[reef zodiac]

Rama probably

I also really like Beo, Zeus, Hestia, and Eris

(the best 5 aspects)

[humble jewel]

Hm, yeah that's a tough one. I like both Rama and Hera (shield is superior but for blind people it's harder to use, at least I find it to be so). I'm also gonna be a bit of an oddball and say Gilgamesh ... artemis on attack and afro on special + heart rend and the buff on the hammer for more of a rend debuff and roothless reflexes is no joke.

I wanna mess around more with Zeus cause it seems like a great trap build. Not sure how I'd set it up but I'll figure something out.

[mint coral]

was talking with someone about exit wounds and when i told them that when your cast damage is already enough, exit wounds starts to fall off, they answered me "but that wont happen if you take a low base damage cast like zeus/artemis

im like wut

[reef zodiac]

Hmm

[brisk trail]

Thanatos this salad

[humble jewel]

I didn't know it did that. I only go exit wounds if I run Poseidon sword otherwise I prefer Stigeon soul.

[mint coral]

oh yeah the context was for poseidon sword too, i just feel like it does less than one think it does

[humble jewel]

Probably, but it probably shouldn't be underestimated either. Even more passive damage for hitting you? Give me. Though if you don't like it you could see about taking it late in the run to not waste poms.

[twin thistle]

well exit wounds is a prerequisite for fully loaded anyways

[reef zodiac]

Exit wounds is very bad most of the time. When it’s not bad, (Poseidon sword) it’s decent at best.

In my opinion

[high island]

Strong Cast builds will only benefit from Exit Wounds in boss fights and maybe some miniboss fights. That's still alright, though.

[lone kernel]

fully loaded prerequisite 😶

[reef zodiac]

Exactly

[crimson leaf]

For the prophecy War-God Bloodlust, if you have already killed 10,000 foes will it automatically complete? Or does it make you kill another

[narrow hemlock]

its cumulative, it will count your overall kill total

[umbral whale]

Still love that somehow on my first run i got killed by a Bloodless in Tartarus.

For those that dont understand, Bloodless only appear in asphodel

[mint coral]

they are a mini boss encounter in tartarus too

oh wait nvm

[pure karma]

I did it

EM4

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/891040876795691058/Screenshot_465.png

hades monthly challenge be like

[brisk trail]

I don't get it

[signal aspen]

i cant dash

[brisk trail]

Oh

Right

[twin thistle]

skill issue

[pure karma]

@twin thistle Was that a non boon build with that keepsake?

[twin thistle]

yeah

it was supposed to be a boonless mirrorless 32 heat until i was forced boons in styx

[pure karma]

Seems like completely boonless would be harder to achieve lol

Just because not fidning any boons is unlikely

[twin thistle]

yeah you cant not encounter boons

[brisk trail]

I'm all for challenges but when there's no in-game incentive I generally don't bother tbh

[twin thistle]

so you get rid of any you can

[brisk trail]

it says thst for me too

[twin thistle]

lmao just did a dashless run with the power of smouldering air athenas aid

[wise oasis]

By far the most painful part of it

[signal aspen]

in the next run i got nat ares and athena in tart

and ME in asphodel so its fine

[chrome wharf]

I had to slowly chuck bloodstones at it until it cooperated by moving to the upper corner

[signal aspen]

i just killed myself

[wise oasis]

Same, it decided to settle just out of range one time

[chrome wharf]

oh wait you're in TD

[smoky turret]

my game has less stuff on the screen

[signal aspen]

Cool

[cyan tiger]

why would u take a dash boon when you can't dash

[brisk trail]

To flex

[smoky turret]

how do i get

[thorny mirage]

i can imagine

me getting hermes in erebus in tartarus

Getting rid of the dash challenge

[signal aspen]

For the swag points

[smoky turret]

omgomgomgogmgmgomogmgomgomgomgom

just beat the hyrda for the first time

the snek

[signal aspen]

Nice

[oak gull]

Now imagine that you could face more of them.

[lone kernel]

@smoky turret nice job

based

[thorny mirage]

And I died to tisiphone

[smoky turret]

u suck

lmfaaaooo

[signal aspen]

Have you tried not dying to Tisiphone?

[thorny mirage]

mfw someone says I suck cuz I died to tisiphone while I was doing the dashless challenge

Or well the monthly challenge

[rose fox]

experimenting with Hestis
mildly strugling because I suck with Hestia
get a decent build going
grab the anvil in Styx
get the hammer that gives me unlimited ammo
misread the boon and think I can't reload

[woeful plank]

LOL

[rose fox]

That was the single most panic inducing boon I've ever gotten, lol

[woeful plank]

Imagine

[signal aspen]

Just use lightning strike Hestia

[woeful plank]

8 bullets for the rest of the game

Special bombs only

I have done like 10 runs and haven't seen Patrocles once 😭

[rose fox]

Sadly the entire run the only time I got an opportunity for an Attack boon was friggin' Demeter. I feel like I'm going into the last boss with one hand tied behind my back.

[maiden bane]

Does the game get easier after you beat it 10x?

I’m on my 14th win iirc and the last 7 escapes have been dubs

[woeful plank]

It's not a hard and fast rule but

Generally yes it gets easier

You get permanent upgrades that make it significantly easier

Mirror alone can give you 3 extra lives or make darkness heal you

[chrome wharf]

it's easier in the sense that you're earning currency to buff yourself and unlock more items

[woeful plank]

^

Upgrade your weapons, yourself, etc

[oak gull]

Does anyone use the fourth aspect on the gun?

[woeful plank]

I tried it against Skelly and didn't care for it but I have yet to try it in an actual run

I actually am trying all the hidden aspects now

[rose fox]

I like to meme with it, but I recognize that its probably not that great.

[woeful plank]

I love the fists and sword so far. Didn't like the spear's. Need to give the gun and bow a real try

[rose fox]

Though 4th aspect gun paired with Athena attack is the most hilarious thing I've ever used cause of how much it makes Athena proc. Especially if you grab unlimited ammo with kt.

[vagrant grove]

Lucifer aspect rail with poseidon is so funny to meme with

Power washing the underworld

[rose fox]

Oh god, I'm imagining it now. Confirmed my next rail run I'm trying that.

Mario Sunshine strats, lets gooooo

[woeful plank]

Lmfaoo

[vagrant grove]

Oh and if you get sea storm mmmm

[woeful plank]

I'm not even at meg yet and I really love the Gilgamesh aspect

[vagrant grove]

How can you be pre meg and have gilga

[woeful plank]

I mean on this run

[oak gull]

Yeah, it fixes all the problems with the hit sequence on normal fists, swings in a massive area in a good pattern and its special exposes enemies.

You do have to not get hit, when specialing.

[rare gust]

It disables reload on other guns

Hestia can still reload

[vagrant grove]

Personally, Gilgamesh is just.. underwhelming compared to Demeter fists, which are better in every way imo

Maim is just worse doom for the most part

[oak gull]

maim also increases dealt damage

on both ends

dealt damage to 'em, dealt damage to you

[vagrant grove]

The both ends is where it falls off. Other fists aspects are way safer.

[rose fox]

Personally I run Zag fists with Hermes keepsake the entire run. It'll probably bite me in high heat runs, but it rewards me for being really unga with fists.

[smoky turret]

is it me or are rougelikes only always amazing games

name one bad rougelike

[rose fox]

Gilg is fun to mess around with though cause of the beeg swings

[thorny mirage]

and fists aren’t even that safe to begin with

[vagrant grove]

Ofc, epik gamars dont need to worry about being hit

[rose fox]

Also, how does the post-run results screen actually work? Like, I've seen that sometimes it makes me run into boons again in later runs, but it seems inconsistent?

[thorny mirage]

wdym

[rose fox]

With the boons you can save/display or whatev

[mint coral]

I dont have much problem with maim bc is fun increasing summons damage, but shorter dashes/longer cooldown is weird

[thorny mirage]

doesn’t do that?

[vagrant grove]

Post run screen is just to display your build

Ie: post it on reddit for internet points or here in discord

[rose fox]

Huh. I just got confused cause one time it had a boon auto selected on one of its five slots or whatever and then on a later run there it is again. A heroic lv2 boon from a previous run out of nowhere.

[vagrant grove]

Rng just doing its thing probs

[dusky viper]

Or to print out and frame

[vagrant grove]

Lol

[brisk trail]

do you get tblood once per weapon or once per aspect

Once per heat on each weapon

Twice actually

[twin thistle]

well only 0 heat can be done concurrently with others

[brisk trail]

wdym concurrently?\

You get one for clearing Tartarus and one for defeating Hades once per weapon unless you up the heat

The aspects don't change anything

😦

[paper aurora]

I just got the game and finished one run. And turned the heat up to 19. So I lost rewards from 1-18. Is there a way to ever get them? Haha.

[brisk trail]

Yes

[twin thistle]

you lower the heat

[brisk trail]

It only counts for 1 heat if you did that straight away

Just keep playing as is or lower it

[modern garnet]

You don't ever lose rewards

[paper aurora]

Wait. So if I started at 19. And I put it back at 1, it’ll give me the boss rewards again for each level??

[vagrant grove]

Just stay at 19, you keep getting the rewards for lower levels iirc

[twin thistle]

no youll have to finish getting the rewards for 1 heat

[vagrant grove]

You dont need to lower the heat lol

[brisk trail]

Say you jump from 0 to 2

2 only counts as 1

[twin thistle]

and in this case 19 counts as 1

[vagrant grove]

Essentially, yes. You get lvl 1 rewards, then 2 then 3 etc

Heat, not lvl

[paper aurora]

I see. Thanks!

[twin thistle]

basically if you want more rewards beat the game with that weapon with either 1 or higher heat

then do it on 2 or higher heat and so on

[vagrant grove]

On new runs i usually just start at 15 so I dont need to keep adding heat every run, newer players probably shouldnt do that though lol

[brisk trail]

O heat is so brain numbingly easy with max mirror and a legendary aspect

yea no i will pass

i am more than happy w/ me 5 heat

on hell mode

What does hell mode even do

I don't remember

[modern garnet]

5 heat locked on

Including a special heat, personal liability

Which means you don't get invulnerable when you take too much damage

[brisk trail]

yah and i came from godmode w 60% dmg reduction

needless to say the game is much harder now

[brisk trail]

That's a thing? Like from death defiance or just in general? I never noticed

[twin thistle]

in general

[modern garnet]

In general... if you get hit really hard really fast, you get a shield

[brisk trail]

yea so u dont get stunlocked

[modern garnet]

I think if you lose half your health in under a second or 2

[brisk trail]

Damn... My gamer ego

[opal helm]

guys is zeus the only one who can self trigger the special of the last gun aspect?

[reef zodiac]

?

[paper aurora]

Wait so each time I complete a run, it resets the heat rewards?

[mint coral]

I think so

[paper aurora]

Or boss rewards I should say.

[brisk trail]

yes, assuming you add a heat each clear

any tips for generally avoiding damage? (mabye im just stupid) but i always find myself dying at hades on second phase because i either dont have enough dps or i have low hp and die to something like his spin or the skulls

[verbal sinew]

Seconded because I have the same problem lmao

[thorny mirage]

use your dashes wisely

i know it seems counterintuitive but if you have the space

Dash into his spins instead of away

[verbal sinew]

I always try and get Athena’s dash blessing to help mitigate any damage I’d get

[thorny mirage]

you don’t even need that

but athena dash is busted

[verbal sinew]

Based Athena

just wishing I could have Meg help out

[thorny mirage]

eventually you’ll be able to use those keepsakes during the hades fight

as of right now tho you can only use two

[vagrant grove]

Bouldy's and someone elses i forgot

[mint coral]

Skelly

[paper aurora]

Without spoiling please: I heard you need to complete a run like 9 times? In the process, will I have to use all the weapons? Thanks.

[twin thistle]

for the story stuffs nope

[paper aurora]

All right. Thanks. What about the ability to unlock the fourth aspects? @twin thistle

[twin thistle]

in pins in #h1-story-discussion

[earnest plaza]

No, to unlock those you need to beat 52 heat

With the zag aspects

Without any titan blood in em

[brisk trail]

I’m sorry, 52?

[vagrant grove]

Its a joke

Also, what about 52?

[smoky turret]

When do you technically "beat" hades

Is it upon your first successful run?

[high island]

Ending is after 10 wins.

[smoky turret]

So 10 escapes?

[high island]

Yes.

[earnest plaza]

Yes, but epilogue takes WAAAAAY longer

[smoky turret]

I just wanna "beat" it before Metroid Dread when I inevitably abandon everything else I'm playing for Dread

[ebon thistle]

Epilogue is like 4 time longer than the rest of the game

[smoky turret]

I'm about 6 hours in and absolutely hooked rn

Got it Tuesday

[high island]

M about 1200 hours in.

[ebon thistle]

I got epilogue on around 150 runs, most of them were quick painful and unsuccessful because i decided to bash my head against "hardmode"

[earnest plaza]

I'm at 52 runs

[smoky turret]

Well between school, life, and other games 6 hours in one game in a few days is a lot for me

[lone kernel]

So my experience with hades: I blew off age of calamity and like 3/4 of my buddies offers to play Mario kart between October and March because of hades. But also dread is gonna be awesome

[smoky turret]

Dread swapped BF 2042 for my most hyped game of 2021

[humble jewel]

who'd be interested in a demonstration showcasing how blind people can play Hades?

[twin thistle]

haelian? lol?

[smoky turret]

how

[lone kernel]

That would be pretty sweet

[brisk trail]

so.. 40 wins??

@twin thistle i just did my most impressive run yet

and you inspired it

i actually just got to the epilogue! if im correct is it where you give nectar to the olympians??

[twin thistle]

is it gilgadash or something

[smoky turret]

farthest I've gotten so far was like 3 stages into the third area

The build I had was insane though

[ebon thistle]

Elisium is rough

[smoky turret]

I just got overwhelmed by new enemies

[brisk trail]

32 heat boonless 4 sack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879238256313638926/891145949546709072/29949748c911494d5687ccfe2267c9e6.png

lost 2 DD to hades because of time after 4 sack lmao

[twin thistle]

lmao its like my run

4-5 sacks in styx hurt hard with boonless

[brisk trail]

im just happy i managed to end up with no boons after 4 rooms

yeah styx rooms are way harder with boonless

they seem so easy on normal runs

[twin thistle]

still not as impressive as 5 sack boonless

[brisk trail]

to be fair 5 sack is only like 3% isnt it

way too much re-running to get that

[smoky turret]

whats 5 sack boonless mean

[brisk trail]

boonless means no olympian boons

[smoky turret]

why would u do that

[twin thistle]

yep but somehow I keep getting 5 sacks

[brisk trail]

5 sack means how many styx rooms you do until you get sack

because its fun

[smoky turret]

idk what a styx room is

[brisk trail]

it's the last world

[smoky turret]

ah

[twin thistle]

because no boons = funny victory message

right after elysium

[brisk trail]

should i try 40 heat

just add FO2 and HL5

[humble jewel]

EM3 is my absolute favourite pact of punishment.

I just wish there was more content with Theseus ... I"m using the Theseus quest line mod.

[smoky turret]

is it me

or does the sword

suck so much ass

[modern garnet]

Sword's alright, and the animations feel pretty nice

There's definitely weapons that hit harder and/or faster

Secret sword rocks tho

[humble jewel]

I hate secret sword.

[compact badger]

I didn't like the sword at the beginning, but I think that was due to me not having learned to dash-strike by that point

[humble jewel]

In fact I hate the sword in general, barring poseidon

[modern garnet]

how could you hate secret sword it's like swinging a baseball bat around

thousand damage swings

[humble jewel]

I feel like that aspect is super controvertial, isn't it? I think it's slow and clunky and counter intuitive to what the game is.

[modern garnet]

all the secret aspects are like that, and sword is one of the ones that makes it work

[lone kernel]

So every weapon is meant to feel different, and Excalibur is an extreme. I compare it to feeling like playing ganon in smash if that makes sense

[modern garnet]

especially compared to some weapons fists

[lone kernel]

Like while hades is a lot about fast zip zoom razzle dazzle

Excalibur is more like, I have a giant stick and I’m gonna destroy you, it’s not supposed to be played feeling subtle

[modern garnet]

I gravitate towards the slow hard hitting weapons in all games, and hades has SIX of em

[lone kernel]

I highly recommend a divine dash start or Athena attack or both because that is a power fantasy boyo

It feels like ganondorf has a lightsaber

Ganondorf is not a subtle quick guy. He’s a freight train

You’re a frieght train

[modern garnet]

athena attack on excalibur is a bit of a meme.. you can be deflect king with athena attack and the special effect, but it's silly

[lone kernel]

Choo choo

[rose fox]

Normal sword is kinda jank, but every normal aspect of it allows you to work around the jank. Meanwhile, Excal embrasses that jank and goes "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!"

[humble jewel]

you do you, I just don't have fun when playing it. I'm more a gilgamesh kinda guy.

[lone kernel]

That’s fine

[modern garnet]

if you wanna play really tanky, try feather excalibur

boosts your eHP to incredible levels

[lone kernel]

The way it went for me is I had a few weapons I did high heat now I’m trying to get like second tier weapons to 32 heat. Excalibur is def not a top tier weapon

[humble jewel]

What's feather?

[lone kernel]

Hermes keepsake

[modern garnet]

plume, the hermes keepsake

[lone kernel]

Second wind and smoldering air

just never get hit ever

Also the extra 50 starting health is really nice haha

[rose fox]

Speaking of Sword, is it just me or is Nemesis kinda underwhelming compared to Poseidon and Excal?

[lone kernel]

Nemesis falls off IMO

You can make heart rend double edge work

[modern garnet]

excalibur isn't top tier but it's fun to play, and I like playing to its strengths

[lone kernel]

Exactly

Be the freight train

[humble jewel]

it's certainly better than Sag sword. If you want traditional Stigeon that's the one you'd play. Bow's the only one where I think Sag works super well.

[modern garnet]

nemesis and poseidon are both kinda one-note, no? "do a heart rend build" or "do a crush shot build"

[twin thistle]

yeah zag bow is pretty high tier while all the other ones are pretty weak compared to other aspects

[mint coral]

just play ME

[humble jewel]

yeah, but for that it's pretty insane. Also Poseidon doesn't have to be crush shot

[twin thistle]

zeus and athena casts work well too and are safer

[modern garnet]

Fair

[humble jewel]

How do people get Athena to work? It's too slow for up close and personal.

[twin thistle]

well up close the travel time doesnt matter as much does it

but yeah it is easier to miss with

[brisk trail]

say that to my plume zag fists

but yeah zag bow is best zag aspect by far

i like zag shield though

[twin thistle]

tbh i dont like fists in general lol

[brisk trail]

fists were my first 32 heat

then again my 2nd 32 heat was that boonless hestia i just did

so maybe not a great example lol

[humble jewel]

You clearly haven't tried secret fists

[steady geyser]

My friend is having trouble with “Ferdie the Bone Grinder”

🤔

[rapid forum]

don't know any Ferdie

[lone kernel]

Athena gives you more room for error but hits less hard. Divine dash negligible, her epic attack is 79p while aphro is around 97

But Athena can play and win energy tennis and make a few encounters trivial

Athena attack and or dash usually demolishes witches circle for example

[steady geyser]

Witches circle makes me sad

[smoky turret]

just got to the boss in eleysium

clapped in about 30 seconds

[earnest plaza]

My fastest recorded time is one minute on the nose

[smoky turret]

is that how fast you've beat him or died

[earnest plaza]

Beat him

[humble jewel]

what do people put on aspect of Zeus?

[earnest plaza]

Technically it's 54s

[twin thistle]

because it kills stuff

[earnest plaza]

Blitz disc

[humble jewel]

I saw a vide on the hades subreddit where someone popped them both in 13 seconds with Artemis + sag bow.

[mint coral]

more zeus

[twin thistle]

hidden shield can probably nuke them both in like 5 seconds with a couple of poms and mirage cast

[humble jewel]

my fastest clear on them is like 30 seconds with Zeus on Ares Rail.

[earnest plaza]

I just open with than

[smoky turret]

what system are yall on

[humble jewel]

pc master race.

[earnest plaza]

Xbox

[mint coral]

switch

[humble jewel]

if you're on PC, what mods if any are you using and what are some of the best mods?

[smoky turret]

my man

[lone kernel]

switch

[void vigil]

i personally dont use any mods, i think the unmodded game is good enough to not warrant any changes

[smoky turret]

my man

[lone kernel]

There’s a nodding server somewhere

[smoky turret]

I love to nod

I nod for roughly 9 hours a day

[lone kernel]

Modding oops

[humble jewel]

oh definitely, but I think mods can change things up. The only one I consistently have been using is the Theseus questline. I think Supergiant could've done so much more with those characters.

[mint coral]

the only mods i would use would be speedrun modpack

sack rng is fun't

[twin thistle]

5 sacking at high heat

[smoky turret]

whats heat

[mint coral]

settings to make the game harder basically

[twin thistle]

it unlocks after the first clear or if you start in hellmode

[smoky turret]

ah

how long did it take yall for your first clear?

[mint coral]

47 runs iirc

[twin thistle]

uh 9 i think

[smoky turret]

how

[twin thistle]

i have a good amount of experience with games like this

[rapid forum]

22

then i started fresh file on hell mode, took me 7

knowledge

[twin thistle]

also uh crutching on shield

[smoky turret]

Whats the best weapon

[twin thistle]

though i got close on like run 7 with the bow

[smoky turret]

I find the spear and shield to be the most effective

[manic bobcat]

Here on the Hollywood hills

[twin thistle]

shield is the safest for beginners

[manic bobcat]

The one you like

[humble jewel]

9 for a fresh run? Wtf!

[smoky turret]

I'm on attempt 18 and lucky to get past the snek

[brisk trail]

What is the best boon variant?

i personally hate shield and spear the most

zag bow and hestia rail are my favourites

demeter fists 3rd prob

[brisk trail]

depends on the weapon

[humble jewel]

Shield is ok, don't like spear. Bow is my favourite but I do better with Rail.

[brisk trail]

18 was my first clear

and ive never played a roguelike before

try the bow or the rail, very safe

[smoky turret]

I didnt like the gun

I am hearing very nice things about the bow so I'll probably try it again

[brisk trail]

the base rail is kinda bad

but the next 2 are good

[twin thistle]

yeah zag rail is really meh unless you get lucky with hammers

[brisk trail]

hestia is always good imo

ricochet fire, explosive fire, piercing fire are all good for the attack but doesnt really matter if you dont get them

same with hazard bomb, triple bomb and rocket bomb for the special

[twin thistle]

yeah hestia with nothing but shackle is already all you need lol

[brisk trail]

then youre forced into a strike boon with ap2

or a chaos boon that does damage when you attack

[twin thistle]

had that happened and survived barge with 1 hp

[brisk trail]

[twin thistle]

it was also my ri4 run

recorded it but xbox capture for some reason didnt want to record the second half

[brisk trail]

Its funny how Shield carried me all the way to the end

I abuse the shield blocking too much

Especially agaisnt hades

is it just me or when Eurydice sings she kinda sounds like Red from transistor?

[mint coral]

Same person that voices her

[brisk trail]

haha no way

[rapid forum]

well it's true

[brisk trail]

that’s epic

[fast willow]

15

also middle management is way tougher than i expected

[rapid forum]

it's alright, it's like Extreme Measure. Once you remember the moves, they ain't that bad.

[twin thistle]

mostly annoying in styx

[rapid forum]

doomstone is easy and I love them (it gives DUSH)

I guess the bombers are annoying

Sneak is somewhat annoying

but sneak is already annoying.

even without MM

[twin thistle]

helps a lot when you find out the summon timing

summons just make middle management not that big of a trouble

[brisk trail]

Doom stone slighty annoying cuz you sometimes you took alot of damage when you dont realize the laser hits you

[marble dagger]

im really hating my computer and myself right now. my game wouldnt save whenever i quit, and it had me absolutely stumped and annoyed cause i would play for 6 hours just to have none of it be saved. this has happened 4 times . so i joined to see if i could get help, just to find out my computer was blocking the game from changing/updating files, and the only reason i didnt know is cause the notifications for unauthorized changes were hidden due to the do not disturb being turned on

[pure karma]

BP2 can create some nasty syuff

[marble dagger]

i want to be incredibly angry, but at the same time no one but myself and my computer can be blamed

[twin thistle]

when 4 sack 40 heat guan yu and die running outta time

[pure karma]

Guan Yu was your first mistake

[humble jewel]

does deflect or something increase on higher tiers / levels of Athena or is it just for damage?

[twin thistle]

damage

brilliant riposte increases deflect damage though

[rapid forum]

yea, it's a pretty brilliant boon

question

should I ME rama or Low Tolerance rama?

I can't decide

[pure karma]

ME Rama? You wot?

[humble jewel]

Low tolerance!

think me is mnercfyless end

mercylness end*

god it's early

[rapid forum]

ME rama it is

[pure karma]

I know what ME is. I have a hard time understanding how it can be effectively used with Rama

[twin thistle]

rerolled ares twice and no impending doom

[pure karma]

I actually lost 3 defiances to Asterius miniboss

I forgot how to play this run

[rapid forum]

Well for one, I don't run it cause it's good

I run it cause I'm bored

[pure karma]

I am missing 2 fish

[humble jewel]

what would you put on aspect of zeus?

[deep comet]

[twin thistle]

zeus

[deep comet]

I would put electric shock the one that when a enemy comes they got damaged by lighting

[twin thistle]

so zeus

[rapid forum]

lightning flourish + static discharge

[pure karma]

Convinced that the greatshields are the worst enemies in this game by far

[rapid forum]

nah, that'd be laser snakes for me.

cause I can't backstab them

[pure karma]

Laser Snakes?

what

BP2 really fun btw

except when it isnt

haha

[rapid forum]

you know the snake stone that shoots laser at styx

that one

[pure karma]

Those laser things are snakes? never noticed what they look like tbh

I thought they were stones or smth

[wise oasis]

the big pink snakestone

[pure karma]

So I was half right

[twin thistle]

if great shields didnt have a ranged attack id hate them a lot less

speeder fo2 greatshield just shooting those waves at the speed of light

[humble jewel]

it's 2 freakin hours heh

[halcyon smelt]

oof yeah the great shields were fun at first then the ranged attack

[humble jewel]

oops, let's try again. I got auto modded. Anyone wanna see a 2 hour video where I showcase what it's like to play Hades blind? It's early in the morning, terrible play performance.

nevermind. Always do gear test before recording. Sigh

[pure karma]

Blind you mean first time or actually blindfolded?

[livid zealot]

hello

just started playing Hades, loving it

[rapid forum]

ayyy

[twin thistle]

god of running away from things https://imgur.com/a/Ff5rMvL

[livid zealot]

its been difficult and I only now noticed the mirror has swappable skills, was that the upgrade i got in the early game from nyx? i think i mistook that for being able to refund everything

[humble jewel]

Neither of them. I mean blind as in no vision.

[pure karma]

I thought I was the only one playing bow like that

Dash attack and so on

[rapid forum]

that oof meg

[twin thistle]

most of the swappable ones probably wont be that helpful for you except for the last 4 ones and stygian soul btw

[twin thistle]

you were supposed to not notice that part

[livid zealot]

aight

[rapid forum]

too bad I did

[livid zealot]

what weapon would you recommend for learning the game?

[rapid forum]

I'd say just stick with the one you like

[humble jewel]

shield is good if you want to learn to block, bow is good if you like mythodical chugging, and sword / fists if you want to get up close and personal.

it's funny, the weapons I like have completely switched around. spear used to be my favourite, and bow at the bottom. Now spear is second to last and bow is my #1.

[livid zealot]

excellent, thanks

[rapid forum]

From learning the game and till now, bow is still number one for me

[twin thistle]

bow gang

[pure karma]

Why is Zagreus taking damage from lava if his feet are always on fire

[rapid forum]

bow gang

[livid zealot]

ive been enjoying the bow and the shield, going back to sword for a more mashy playstyle

[humble jewel]

bow gang. I'm actually doing a hera run now.

[rapid forum]

funny thing, I didn't beat the game the first time with bow

[pure karma]

Me too

[rapid forum]

but with nemesis sword

[pure karma]

Demeter cast

[rapid forum]

cause I deemed it safer

[pure karma]

It's not that bad

[humble jewel]

my first clear was Sag Rail Zeus ... spray and pray

[pure karma]

Sag?

You mean Zag?

[humble jewel]

Saggy Zag.

yeah I do lol.

sorry if I misspell some words that may seem obvious. Blind people aren't known for their spelling 😄

[pure karma]

No no, I thought you meant something else

Wait a second, you are actually playing this game blind? I thought you were joking

[rapid forum]

actually

I've been meaning to fight dad blind

not the entire game

just dad

[pure karma]

em4?

[humble jewel]

yeah you missed that, I replied to your comment earlier

[rapid forum]

idk about that but

maybe?

[pure karma]

I didn't miss that, I thought you were playing the game blind, not that you were actually blind. That is impressive.

[humble jewel]

I did em4 Blind. God mode though cause I cheat.

lol. Actually good enough to play without god mode though, not sure about em4 though ouch.

I do use a mod to disable trap damage since there's no way to tell where they are at all. The rest I can just figure out by ear.

[rapid forum]

it's a masochistic therapy

[humble jewel]

there's actually quite a bit of blind people that play Hades.

[split owl]

For the prophecy you get to beat Extreme Measures 3, do you have to finish the run, then meat Poseiden on your next run? Because I met Poseiden in Styx after beating Theseus, and nothing happened.

[pure karma]

@twin thistle I mean the Demeter/Artemis Duo that makes the beams turn faster

[twin thistle]

well those duos kinda contradict each other so dont think they would

like one makes them point at you, the other makes them point at enemies better

[humble jewel]

what if you dash around like a mad lad and the beam can't keep up! Solved!

[twin thistle]

this is indeed a huge problem needing to be solved

[hushed pumice]

You don't have sight and you play Hades? I'm impressed as hell

[brisk trail]

Is it just me or the third boss is harder than the final boss

[slim marsh]

I think the third boss is annoying at first until your able to destroy it. But the final bosses 2 stage is a joke compared to the first stage

[livid zealot]

i cant even get past the first boss tbh

[slim marsh]

It took me a while to beat the first boss

Skelly even reminded me of god mode lol

[brisk trail]

What is the hardest variant of meg?

I know its called meg's sister but meh

[vapid narwhal]

arguably Alecto on EM1

Tisi can be hard for certain builds on EM1

[humble jewel]

I find Tisi to be super annoying as a blind player.

[humble jewel]

like I told someone else, it doesn't actually take any super powers to do it. I'm going to demonstrate this on my twitch where people can feel free to ask about things. I don't know when but I'll let everyone know and link to my channel when I know more.

[cyan tiger]

a blind player?

as in a player who is physically blind???

that's amazing

[livid zealot]

meg was no problem with the boon that gives you +2 hp on hit

love that one

[last veldt]

You mean on fists or sword, there are two life regen boons. And one doesn't need your health to be drastically cut first.

[rapid forum]

think Ph means cursed slash

so sword

[hushed pumice]

Alright, this will be very interesting. I don't know how you're able to avoid and hit enemies if you don't know where they are.

[last veldt]

Hades has good sound design, and blind needn't mean "cannot see anything"

[livid zealot]

yeah cursed slash 🙂

[last veldt]

A lot of people classified as blind have some limited vision (seeing vague shapes etc).

[last veldt]

Try draining cutter on fists.

It only gives life back on kills, not hits, but it's pretty good in Styx due to all the rats.

[chrome wharf]

Yeah it's the run after

[thorny mirage]

what the heck

I got a hammer and patroclus

[chrome wharf]

yeah get the one you're hurting more for

[thorny mirage]

have all 3 dds so i guess hammer

But this dude never shows up when I need him

[chrome wharf]

if you're on TD you can grab damage or healing too

I took a heart over him my last run

[lone kernel]

If you could save it and put it to YouTube would be cool to have

[split owl]

139 runs, only 31 clears.

[pure karma]

I have similar stats. Something like, 145 runs 40 clears. Smth like that

[raw herald]

1200/360

Many, many resets

[pure karma]

Resets you mean give up? Or is there a different way?

[burnt breach]

Please use the blind accessibility options mod, it should help a lot

[raw herald]

Intentionally dying if the run is too slow, also high heat runs where I just die

[humble jewel]

@last veldt nope, completely blind. Ok not entirely true I have some navigationla vision and can see colors. But I don't use it all when I play. For all intents and purposes my screen is off.

[pure karma]

Man, EM4 is really hard

I have only won 2-3 times out of like 10

[humble jewel]

@burnt breach I do use one, not sure if it's the same one that's on the mod site.

[burnt breach]

the only one is Erumi's Blind Accessibility Options, glad you're using it

[pure karma]

Thinking of turning EM4 off, but I wanna learn the fight because sooner or later I will have to activate it

what to do

[burnt breach]

what to do? well just continue trying, I don't know what you're expecting

[pure karma]

I mean turn it off or not

[split owl]

I think the highest heat I've accomplished so far is like 7. lol

[pure karma]

I am at 20 right now

There is a pretty cool mod called Weapon Mastery, but I can't tell if it makes the game easier. I don't want that

Ok it says it is cosmetic

[burnt breach]

it's cosmetic only

[high island]

What do you have to activate it for?

[humble jewel]

em3 is still the coolest.

[pure karma]

I am just at 20 heat and I had it on

[vapid narwhal]

practice with EM4 only and nothing else

maybe TD1/2

[thorny mirage]

Im an idiot who put em4 on my 32 heat run

[lone kernel]

Em4 becomes meta for sweaty tryhards around 40-50 heat mark, but it also makes like every run sweaty. It’s not strictly necessary but it is a fun challenge

But a 20 heat em4 vs a 20 heat not em4 - em4 is almost always sweaty

While there will sooner or later be 20 heat that is autopilot

[livid zealot]

i unlocked the last weapon, it was a little disappointing

[burnt breach]

what do you find disappointing?

[brisk trail]

its awesome

[last veldt]

Wait until you get its hidden aspect

Also some hammers make it bonkers good

[vapid narwhal]

not the hidden one

2nd and 3rd are both one of the most powerful in the game

[reef zodiac]

Even at 50 heat I would advise against EM4

At least for most weapons

[last veldt]

I need to do EM4 at least once to say I did.

[livid zealot]

i just found it a little out there

the gauntlet is much more enjoyable to me

i havent gotten to aspects yet though

[last veldt]

I do like fists

All weapons have good aspects but you won't be able to afford all at once, or even for a long time.

But you can unlock an aspect, immediately start a run, and quit out to return to the chamber without it being unlocked

[vagrant grove]

thats what I love about Hades, everything works nothing is perfect

[last veldt]

Do not leave the courtyard and go back into the house though, since that saves.

[pure karma]

I got friendzoned by a floating head.

[vagrant grove]

after giving away 10 ambrosia

[pure karma]

...

[last veldt]

Worth it

[livid zealot]

sounds good hehe

i have 4 of the blood things, just havent beaten the second boss yet

[last veldt]

Ah okay

[livid zealot]

just trying everything, but gauntlet and shield are my favourite rn

[last veldt]

My advice once you get aspects if you like fists is to try Talos aspect.

[thorny mirage]

To be fair dusa does give those back eventually

[vagrant grove]

yeah, true

[vagrant grove]

Demeter for life

[last veldt]

Demeter hits harder, but Talos makes low heat so easy

Backstabs for days

[vagrant grove]

lvl 5 demeter with Smoldering Air, Aphro Special, Zeus Attack, Athena Aid etc etc is invincibility

oh right and hermes call boons

[last veldt]

Right but if you have 4 blood to spend you ain't getting lvl 5 Demeter any time soon.

[vagrant grove]

invinicibility still works with lvl 1, 2, 3 etc

its the boons, not really the 5 hits

[lone kernel]

@pure karma meme beam Hera bow for your first em4 is kind of amazing and I appreciate it

[last veldt]

But that would be just as good with lvl 1 Talos

[vagrant grove]

crystal beam is so fun

[last veldt]

Never tried beam on Hera

[vagrant grove]

Demeter would still have the plus 1 (or two if lvl 2) hits, compared to Talos

[thorny mirage]

How does beam work on hera

[last veldt]

True but you pull in stuff more to hit with Talos so each special hits more foes

[vagrant grove]

where 10% from the magnet boon is... not noticeable

just dash lol

and the pull could end up hurting you more, pulling enemies about to attack in

[last veldt]

Like I said, Demeter wins later, but Talos is great from lvl 1

[livid zealot]

sounds good 😛

[vagrant grove]

Demeter wins from lvl 1, more dps nearly everywhere

with lvl 5 Talos there's some cool cast builds to try though

[last veldt]

I disagree, dps isn't everything. Positioning and crowd control counts for a lot.

[jade zenith]

you play talos because you find the special fun, not because it is good

[last veldt]

I got 8 wins (low heat) in a row with Talos and using the AoE hammer it's easy mode.

Easy to get reliable backstabs with Talos

[vagrant grove]

I'd argue Demeter's crowd control is better than Talos

1. The special pierces and has great range, easily shredding through groups of enemies
2. Talos' pull can only affect 1 enemy, and iirc doesnt stagger

also, I'm not trying to take fun away from yall, if you find Talos fun, go for it!

[last veldt]

It's not that i find it fun, i found it really easy for low heat

[vagrant grove]

every aspect is good, some are just better

[thorny mirage]

blobby is just saying that demeter aspect also is easy for low heat

[jade zenith]

you would probably have found anything else just as easy

[last veldt]

Talos pull does interrupt some animations

[jade zenith]

I would rather be using talos over zag fists

[last veldt]

Probably.

[humble jewel]

I do not see the point in talos fist

[jade zenith]

but demeter is generally optimal

[vagrant grove]

cough merciful end cough

[humble jewel]

Demeter is great, gilgamesh is amazing

[last veldt]

I never got into Gilgamesh

[vagrant grove]

gilgamesh amazing

[last veldt]

Gotta wait too long for things to happen

[vagrant grove]

dashgilga is good, I don't really like base attack gilga

[vagrant grove]

^^^^

[humble jewel]

Put roothless reflexes on gilgamesh and athena dash and ares special, get the hammer upgrade for increased rend damage

get mercyless end

that build is both fun and insane. 60 damage on base claw is no joke

[vagrant grove]

better just use demeter for Merciful End

[humble jewel]

don't worry my first impression of gilgamesh wasn't very good, but I've changed my mind. top 3 aspect for me in terms of fun factor.

[vagrant grove]

fun factor i'd agree

but optimal? not a chance

[humble jewel]

I disagree. You get debuff on the special with the right hammer, and you can pick roothless reflexes for increased damage while still having three dashes available.

[thorny mirage]

that’s a lot of work

For, really not that much damage

While other weapons have

“Put artemis/aphro on x, watch chunky numbers”

[vagrant grove]

Or, for fists, you could get Aphro on Special, Athena Aid, Zeus Attack, and smoldering air, (same amount of work p much) and murder everything

[vagrant grove]

chunk funni

[thorny mirage]

easier for boons since you can reroll em

sucks we can’t reroll hammersss

[vagrant grove]

yeah

[humble jewel]

oh that does sound fun. Yet to try.

why Athena call and not Zeus?

[vagrant grove]

for invincibility at melee range

[thorny mirage]

Protection

Since fists are imo the most unsafe weapon

[vagrant grove]

safety, a rare commodity with fists

[mint coral]

Just time your zeus calls to get those i-frames

[vagrant grove]

oh right

[humble jewel]

yeah my opinions might be weird since I play differently as a blindy

[vagrant grove]

nah p much everyone for the most part have at least 1 ""Weird""opinion

[brisk trail]

Weird opinion lol

[humble jewel]

here's my second weird opinion. I'm not a big spear fan but I think Hades spear is kinda fun

[brisk trail]

B-but Achilles

[vagrant grove]

The only real bad opinion I have is that I think Eris is the most boring rail aspect

""bad""

might just be I played it too much early on

[humble jewel]

Not a big fan of how Achilles tries to feel like a cast build when missing what you can get in other aspects better. I'd except it as just a decent buff if spear was more chunky.

oh Ares is boring alright. Effective but boring indeed. Well I guess Zag beats it.

[vagrant grove]

Ares??

[split owl]

New personal record: 18:41

[vagrant grove]

nice

[brisk trail]

Bruh the legendary is plus 150% for 4 attacks or casts

[thorny mirage]

it’s like

The literal highest damage buff

[vagrant grove]

in the game

[void vigil]

I think lordlundin means eris, not ares

[humble jewel]

oh erm? Hahahahha

[brisk trail]

Spear good because poke

[vagrant grove]

pok

[mint coral]

Eris is fun when you start doing memes 75% global damage is versatile

[humble jewel]

So question, does the buff last on things like blade rifts / crystal beam?

cause if it's 4 hits then that's kinda useless.

[mint coral]

It last for all the cast

Thats why achilles is the go to for those 2

[humble jewel]

that's pretty hardcore. Change my mind.

[thorny mirage]

I won’t

[brisk trail]

Is additive like say an attack does 50 damage but is increased by 100%, it adds on top to equal 150 rather than just 100 if it was just a plain percent increase?

[void vigil]

yeah achilles aspect is pretty fun. A lot of people like it with hunting blades (the artemis/ares duo) but I like it with good old zeus cast

[humble jewel]

I used Hades spear to debuff enemies with hunting blades.

[mint coral]

I like it with any cast tbh
Cant get crush shot stuck on an enemy if thet just die

[humble jewel]

Ok let's also be real. Having massive spin on Hades is pretty fun. Half a room sweep. Just wish spin would count towards the damage they take 😦

[vagrant grove]

lvl 30 heroic crush shot w/ Poseidon Sword

s t o n k s

[humble jewel]

how do you even get that?

[mint coral]

The fact that achilles spear is a better spin build is sad

[humble jewel]

how does persephony's keepsake work? My boons don't seem to level ... or maybe I'm reading it weird.

[brisk trail]

Can someone answer my question if they know

[thorny mirage]

4 encounters

[mint coral]

Sweet nectar/pom blossom/fated authority to re roll into more poms

[thorny mirage]

random boon gets pommed

[vagrant grove]

Sweet Nectar, Euridice, Fated Authority, Mom Keepsake, And luck Lundin

[mint coral]

Is a straight +150% bonus damage

[humble jewel]

nod so it does work. Guess my accessibility mods don't read it correctly then or something. But it's my go to keepsake after Asfedel (I know I'm misspelling that, sorry)

[brisk trail]

I'm not asking about Achilles... Just how additive damage works

[chrome wharf]

Every few rooms, a random boon levels up

with some exceptions of boons that can't be leveled up with pom of power

[brisk trail]

Asphodel

[humble jewel]

nod I know, was just wondering why mine didn't seem to. But I know they do ... it just doesn't read it on my end

[brisk trail]

Just unlocked themes and btw @vagrant grove let's talk over here to not flood victory boasting

[vagrant grove]

alr

Grinding for chaos theme right now

[chrome wharf]

I think the text box appears to the lower right of the core boon column

there's also a number on the keepsake icon itself that goes down

[vagrant grove]

the "x got pommed" text box is to the left of wherever Zag finishes the encounter iirc

[brisk trail]

Btw what's the highest level a boon can be?

[thorny mirage]

me when rare crop can’t be pommed

[vagrant grove]

rare crop

[mint coral]

Someone let us pom hermes boons

[torn geyser]

Does Delta Chamber on the Hestia Rail empower the entire 3 shot burst?

[thorny mirage]

Let us pom the crop

[vagrant grove]

no, don't think so

[thorny mirage]

anyways gonna try a 32 heat run

See how that goes

[brisk trail]

Is charon the hardest boss fight?

[thorny mirage]

With the bow

[brisk trail]

Honestly, just grab darker thirst weapons, run 0 heat for all but guaranteed win, poseidon, and chaos gates are a must. You might wanna make a pit stop at the charon fight to get cheaper darkness purchases like I did

[thorny mirage]

em4 hades is the hardest boss fight

imo

[brisk trail]

50 damage that is very hard to dodge be poggers doe

[chrome wharf]

technically unlimited, but sort of capped by run length

[vagrant grove]

just dash into charon

[thorny mirage]

not hard to dodge his oar swipes

Takes like two dodges

[mint coral]

Depends when/with what you fight charon ig

[vagrant grove]

tartarus Charon is horrible, meanwhile Elysium Charon is alright

[humble jewel]

he scared the heck out of me

[vagrant grove]

when I took the bag from Charon the first time, It scared the living hell out of me

[mint coral]

Hestia can make tartarus charon not that bad tbh, maybe arthur too idk

[brisk trail]

I mean with Aegis, he's not that hard early on if you block well enough, just a long fight

[vagrant grove]

yeah i guess, but that's like, 2 aspects

[brisk trail]

Blobby, blocking makes him chump change

[mint coral]

Zeud shield/beo too

[vagrant grove]

ageis charon fight with TD3

[mint coral]

Charon fight at max heat

[vagrant grove]

100 oar damage in tartarus

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/UPAy6VP3uVM

[vagrant grove]

45% more hp

[signal aspen]

proof that charon fight is easy

[mint coral]

Cp2 is +30% hp not 45%

[thorny mirage]

oops

I keep forgetting rhar

what’s wrong with the heccing sound

[humble jewel]

what's cp?

still new to acronyms

[raw herald]

Calesthenics program

[chrome wharf]

Enemy HP up

[mint coral]

+15% hp x level

[vagrant grove]

got offered kinetic launcher, collosus knuckle and long knuckle which do I pick

[thorny mirage]

k i n e t i c

[vagrant grove]

Demeter btw

[signal aspen]

kinetic

[raw herald]

Long

[mint coral]

Kinetic for the hadoken

[signal aspen]

kinetic funny

[vagrant grove]

i mek it poseidon for funni hadoken

[thorny mirage]

when the hadouken is blue

[vagrant grove]

LMAO got offered poseidon in the next room

never punished

guess I'm not doing smoldering air

[thorny mirage]

delta chamber, explosive fire or triple bomb

[brisk trail]

Artillery build... I should do that. Rail special and Dionysus cast

Yes

[signal aspen]

delta

[glacial lagoon]

I never liked needing to aim with the rail

Feels like I'm gonna get destroyed just standing still a lot of the time

[halcyon smelt]

oh wow i am the oposite

when i finally learned which Boons work with it oh my its became so fun

[craggy pumice]

Does nourished soul apply to guan yu?

Guan yu not level up so hard

[signal aspen]

No

[livid zealot]

should i take death or stubborn defiance?

[twin thistle]

death since youre new

also greater reflex and not ruthless

[livid zealot]

roger

[wanton gale]

Ayo someone said chaos looks like james charles

[thorny mirage]

hmm

they’re not wrong

@potent fulcrum sub 300

[heady cypress]

Sub 300 seconds

Whats heras effect

I don't understand it;-;