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#h1-discussion
hearty sierra
It's like that fanart on the Hades subreddit where Zag hides behind a pillar while like six casts zap dad
vapid phoenix
I could also use some of Patroclus help 
hearty sierra
smh my head just check wells 
Wait where's hypnos
I neeed a hypnos emote for when I give advice hypnos would give
hearty sierra
welp
maiden bane
TFW you realize that you can’t block dad skulls with shield . With no DD. On 60 health.
vapid phoenix
Not what I was laughing at
I can switch out deadly strike with heroic tempest strike
I already got what I need from Artemis anyway
@hearty sierra got glacial glare
hearty sierra
ooooooooo
vapid phoenix
Basic but
hearty sierra
good luck!
twin thistle
TFW you realize that you can’t block dad skulls with shield . With no DD. On 60 ...
you can tho
maiden bane
you can tho <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Nahhh
maiden bane
you can tho <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Does your block get interrupted by the skull waves?
If so, I died to the waves and the skull shot
😓
twin thistle
if you werent facing the wave and took damage from it, it probably interrupted your block
chrome wharf
You can definitely block skull shockwaves
The block does take some time to activate after you press attack though
vapid phoenix
Nearly died
chrome wharf
so you lived
chrome wharf
Fun times
vapid phoenix
Incredibly based
brisk trail
i just posted a vid in #h1-victory-boasting
once you get the 2 hammers everything kinda melts
if you use it as a shotgun and dont charge it
so, I've gotten to a point where I can make it to Styx pretty easily
hearty sierra
Well done!
hearty sierra
Yeah
brisk trail
Hades is tough
hearty sierra
How far are you getting with him?
vapid phoenix
hearty sierra
As in, how much of the health?
brisk trail
farthest I've got was second phase... halfway?
brisk trail
ish
hearty sierra
farthest I've got was second phase... halfway?
Cool, you're nearly there
brisk trail
mhm
brisk trail
the sword has been helping me a lot
vapid phoenix
Question @brisk trail
hearty sierra
Like, I'm not joking
vapid phoenix
Do you get hit a lot by his spin attack
hearty sierra
When he does his lazer attack, just stick as close as you can to him
vapid phoenix
Yes
hearty sierra
You don't get hit if you do
brisk trail
but I still do get hit by it
brisk trail
I've gotten his first phase down
brisk trail
his second phase though
vapid phoenix
I’ve at least gotten it down
brisk trail
ugh
vapid phoenix
Also
vapid phoenix
Just learn his attack patterns and hug him when he lazers you
what
hearty sierra
Nope
You can ping aggy to verify
Aggyyyyyyy
@granite ether
verify me statement
twin thistle
hug = no die
hearty sierra
Hell yeah that's what I'm talking about UnAn
lone kernel
On em4 that doesn’t work
hearty sierra
shhhhhhh
twin thistle
maybe
hearty sierra
Let them hug dad while they can
But yeah the general guide to fighting dad is "dash at dad"
chrome wharf
It does get finicky sometimes. Especially if your controller drifts
split owl
When I do that, I'm going to yell "I'm hugging my Daddy...With a knife." at the top of my lungs.
nods.
Also. My achievement for today was making it past Elysium in under 10 minutes. It took me ages to find the right door for the sack though, so my run ended up being a bit over 20.
hearty sierra
Also. My achievement for today was making it past Elysium in under 10 minutes. I...
You'll get sub 20 soon at this pace, good luck!
split owl
My fastest was already just over 18.
maiden bane
Completely changed controls mid run and I know what dementia feel like
7th clear, first sub-20!
dark pewter
can the trigger for the ||charon boss fight|| spawn in the temple of styx?
maiden bane
No
dark pewter
thank you
maiden bane
How do you get dashing back in the House? Just got it disabled for some reason
Says ‘no fighting in the house!’
hearty sierra
Uh
dusky wedge
Get to the courtyard
dusky wedge
The place where your weapons are stored
maiden bane
I changed them
hearty sierra
smh my head
dusky wedge
Oh lol
Just done a dash-upper ME run on Gilga, with Rush Kick
Zag just… jumps around, homing in on enemies, uncontrollably lmao
dusky wedge
I switched around my attack with the special
maiden bane
I switched
Reload to dash, dash to attack, attack to special, and special to reload
I am aneurism
maiden bane
Using rail, I’m controller and dashing and attacking with one thumb
With 4 dashes
Ouch
dusky wedge
Is this Kabuto vs Tsunade all over again lmao
maiden bane
Yes?
twin thistle
Using rail, I’m controller and dashing and attacking with one thumb
well uh if dash striking with rail is a problem you can just stick dash on left bumper or something
maiden bane
That’s a good idea
twin thistle
instead of muscial chairs with all your bindings
maiden bane
Best spear aspect?
twin thistle
might as well stick cast on right bumper too if you get around to using hera bow or the hidden shield aspect
maiden bane
Besides hidden
twin thistle
Best spear aspect?
achilles definitely
dusky wedge
Could stick reload on bumpers too, in case that’s a problem as well
brisk trail
spear poop
dusky wedge
Yeah, Achilles by a long shot
twin thistle
yeah or a trigger. i have reload on rt
dusky wedge
Hardly any other contenders
maiden bane
might as well stick cast on right bumper too if you get around to using hera bow...
That’s codex
Just found out
Back to musical chairs
maiden bane
🤢
twin thistle
and interact on a
maiden bane
🤮
twin thistle
maiden bane
Leave before I commit a hate crime
dusky wedge
Most Nintendo games
dark pewter
is Aphrodite's favor bugged? I've met all the conditions for it and have done a metric crapton of runs since then and it still hasn't triggered
brisk trail
is Aphrodite's favor bugged? I've met all the conditions for it and have done a ...
have you finished all dialogue for dusa, thanatos and meg relationships?
dusky wedge
On Xbox I think it’s B, or A when reversed
twin thistle
maybe 
maybe not
brisk trail
it's a prereq
dark pewter
have you finished all dialogue for dusa, thanatos and meg relationships?
as I said initially, yes
brisk trail
you didn't specify
so they've all been in your room?
if so you just need to keep going through dialogue
and it'll unlock
twin thistle
rng
dark pewter
Dusa hasn't been in my room but I've maxed out her hearts
plucky latch
You haven't met all the conditions after all
dark pewter
how do I go about triggering that dialogue ?
polar marsh
Glad i got aphrodite to say the dialogue
dark pewter
it doesn't give me the option to gift her anything
brisk trail
yeah so just talk
it's time consuming
i was at about 120 runs when i maxed all bonds
polar marsh
Lots of dying and talking
polar marsh
dark pewter
also, does the ||charon boss fight|| only spawn once per weapon aspect ?
brisk trail
also, does the ||charon boss fight|| only spawn once per weapon aspect ?
no it's just a low chance
forest falcon
Wdym
dusky wedge
Nope
dusky wedge
It will try to spawn as long as you don’t fight him yet in the run
twin thistle
like 22% or whatever
dark pewter
okay thanks cuties ❤️
polar marsh
Once u see a bag of money take it
celest shell
I keep seeing this channel and remembering I haven't played Hades in a while. I've been giving my hands a rest
Did anyone else play a TON when they first started and then cooled off?
wintry nexus
Does anybody have a copy of the sound that plays when you equip the pierced butterfly keepsake? It would really help me if somebody could send me it
steady geyser
32 heat, would yall recommend Rama or Excalibur?
twin thistle
rama
steady geyser
Actually, is there a 32 heat guide somewhere? I feel like my pact setup is very hard
twin thistle
pins in high heat channel
dusky wedge
Did anyone else play a TON when they first started and then cooled off?
Most of us are like this tbh. Although I still can’t help myself but to finish at least a couple of runs everyday, for the daily quota
Unless, of course, I’m playing Civ
split owl
Lawl, I just got beaten by Theseus, and he's like "I assert myself as champion once again."
And I'm like "Bruh, you beat me once in 105 runs. Shut up."
twin thistle
hmm so after starting a fresh file it appears that not having a hammer on run 2 is kinda crappy for bow dps
also zeus being completely useless and having no boons or keepsakes
champions with nothing but a lvl 3 aphro attack and only a single dash kinda sucks
hearty sierra
Does anybody have a copy of the sound that plays when you equip the pierced butt...
Try the modding server you'll have to datamine
steady geyser
Ok so, the pinned “easiest setup” for 32 heat has maxed Tight Deadline. 5 mins per region. How can that possibly be the easiest setup? I am getting much further with 0 TD
twin thistle
Ok so, the pinned “easiest setup” for 32 heat has maxed Tight Deadline. 5 mins p...
well thats 6 heat youre sticking on not so great pacts
if youre running outta time its probably due to a bad build or a bad pact
actually what aspect are you using
twin thistle
rama shouldnt have much of a problem with td 3. how are you building it
steady geyser
I died on Meg so I didn’t really “build it” at all yet. Idk, I seem to be doing good with my current setup so I’ll report back if I beat Hades & see what you guys think
twin thistle
k then. gl
split owl
LMAO, using the Hades Call in the battle against Hades is simply comedy gold.
rose fox
"Father!"
"I'm right here, boy!"
split owl
Post-credit deaths are kinda funny too. Like there was one where Zag got killed by a bear.
This last one, he died by falling off a cliff and into water.
twin thistle
when zag just dies from boredom
split owl
"I'm bloody bored." -dies-
rapid forum
Zag dies from a rake
twin thistle
allergies
pure karma
Does the game ever troll you by giving you 2-3 duos?
but they are not the one you want?
pure karma
Zag dies from a rake
Zag is such a nerd, he literally dies from the sun
He is in his Father's basement all the time, and when he tries to get out, he dies.
rapid forum
Does the game ever troll you by giving you 2-3 duos?
all the time
unshakeable mettle
I had to choose between 2 duos and a legendary some time ago
they were very good
pure karma
at least they sell for a lot of coin
wise oasis
I swear unshakable mettle and parting shot have higher rates
rapid forum
parting shot is great if you're playing hera
wise oasis
They always appear when I don't want them
twin thistle
ez 450 obols
twin thistle
id go either parting shot phalanx or aphro cast and grab zeus on call with smouldering air or something
rapid forum
do lodging cast (aprho being the best, athena, poseidon), get extra cast stones from chaos if you can, demeter's snow burst is great with hera, Mirage cast is also great.
twin thistle
well dios cast is rather
slow
since it lingers
works with stygian soul and some chaos casts though
and uh think it does double damage with mirage shot
rapid forum
not bad, but you need to get something in the downtime
I guess you can just sit in the fog and wait for them to attack you
pure karma
I just decimates theseus/bull
so easily
the impact damage itself is stupid strong
I forgot to approach my good shade
welp
This run is over
rapid forum
give up and try again
twin thistle
be nice if dio had a boon that made his fog bigger so his cast would make more sense with stuff that buffs its linger effect
pure karma
I forget to use my call
cause I have athena's and I try to use it only when needed
but I can spam it
rapid forum
I was thinking to myself "Why am I not dealing a lot?" while fighting dad
pure karma
Need to find a mod that throws a punch to my face everytime my call is ready, cause otherwise I will always forget
rapid forum
You can just spam F or RT or R2 or ZR
twin thistle
lol it took me a couple runs before i started being able to remember that my call existed
pure karma
Did Chaos just told me to prank Hades by bringing his Egg to his fight?
burnt breach
quiet oriole
I finally finished my 10th run and achievement the Credit score that was so beautiful ❤️❤️❤️❤️
brisk trail
zagreus in the trailer: badass
zagreus in the real game: mama's boy
last veldt
lol it took me a couple runs before i started being able to remember that my cal...
I still forget I have Batty in almost every run.
burnt breach
what are the text lines you struggled or are still struggling to get?
split owl
How on earth is this even possible...There's a video on Youtube about a run with no boons.. I'd assume the only way that's possible is pool of purging, but that only lets you purge 3. ^_^
burnt breach
How on earth is this even possible...There's a video on Youtube about a run with...
mods...
brisk trail
How on earth is this even possible...There's a video on Youtube about a run with...
Purge and roll with fated persuasion
twin thistle
well you also arent always constantly forced boon rooms
brisk trail
He made this rule where if he got a boon on attack, he just wouldn't use attack until he purged jt
twin thistle
ez
brisk trail
I'm not sure if it's possible to NEVER get a boon in a run
burnt breach
not in vanilla
twin thistle
yeah it aint
split owl
Even rerolling them with Fated Authority, you're pretty much guaranteed to be stuck taking at least one.
split owl
New update: The ability to pass on boons if you don't want them.
burnt breach
New update: The ability to pass on boons if you don't want them.
that's called More Heat mod with Approval Process 3
split owl
Truthfully, there's a lore issue with that, because certain Gods would literally smite you if you said "Thanks, but no thanks." when they offered help.
burnt breach
released December 2nd 2020 btw
twin thistle
actually does chaos count for boonless like for getting the dialogue from dad
split owl
He's not an Olympian, so probably.
split owl
I need to gather up Nectar. I'm right out and still have so many gifts to give.
hearty sierra
prolly hestia rail
The best weapon to do a boonless run is Zag bow, I believe
But Hestia is pretty good too
cunning cradle
hestia rail is nice, but doing styx without a dash boon is a bit of a nightmare
hearty sierra
Yeah the AOE is quite necessary
At least the special does a bit of work in that regard
pure karma
Man I just unlocked Aspect of Rama and I love it so much
forest falcon
Yeah it's real good
I disliked it at first but it's just pretty hard to use at the beginning
pure karma
Hard?
reef zodiac
Rama is my favorite aspect in the game
reef zodiac
It definitely has a learning curve
reef zodiac
I have special pressed
But… the attack does like 600 damage 
pure karma
My finger does not touch it
reef zodiac
Bad player
pure karma
ty
thorny mirage
mfw when no chunky hits
ya but for real you should probably learn rama’s attack
Even without power shots the thing does big damage
with like artie on the attack haelian two shot the king vermin in styx
pure karma
I guess I am a bad player but the special works
lone kernel
Rama super based
lone kernel
Just play meme beam Rama ez game
pure karma
You seem to have a personal grudge for people who use the special
pure karma
<@694146523746926624> play what works for you
I was about to change my whole playstyle because someone on the internet insulted me sure
reef zodiac
It’s kinda weird that we start with the sword because it’s probably the least intuitive weapon
thorny mirage
cast spam based
reef zodiac
Yeah Snow Burst is really good
pure karma
I feel like I could play a pump shotgun build with Hestia and that hammer that turns your attack to a short range burst
thorny mirage
spread fire?
pure karma
Yeah I guess
mint coral
spread fire doesnt affect the empowered shot
reef zodiac
That’s kinda an anti-synergy. Hestia empowered shot benefits from its range and single shot damage
It’s more of a sniper
No point in adding spread fire
It’s not like you’ll want to use it
I’d argue that spread fire makes any Hestia build a little bit worse but not by much
pure karma
spread fire doesnt affect the empowered shot
Ok then
reef zodiac
The best Hestia hammer is Hazard Bomb
Ricochet Fire is also great
And Rocket Bomb
And Piercing Fire
pure karma
I found triple bomb
reef zodiac
Triple is decent I guess
It’s honestly pretty fine, but there are just a lot of better options for Hestia
pure karma
Reload affects special?
reef zodiac
?
thorny mirage
No
reef zodiac
Empowered Shot is your attack it has nothing to do with your special
pure karma
The reload empower from Hestia affects the damage of its special abilitY?
thorny mirage
no
pure karma
ok
thorny mirage
reloading only reloads your bullets for your main attack
Special has it’s own cooldown
pure karma
Then why are some special hammer upgrades good for hestia in particular?
mint coral
your special always has good damage so why not
reef zodiac
Then why are some special hammer upgrades good for hestia in particular?
You desperately need AOE
Hazard and Rocket give much needed AOE, and Hazard also gives fantastic boss damage
brisk trail
What to purge hydraulic might ares' aid or quick recovery?
reef zodiac
Idk man
Ares aid and quick recovery are both pretty bad
But as always it depends on your build
reef zodiac
If you’re in Tartarus or Asphodel, you might be able to get a better Hermès boon if you sell QR
pure karma
Hammer choices: Delta Chamber, Targeting System, Spread Fire.
brisk trail
You won’t get a different god if you sell any boons
Oh really?
brisk trail
On another question do you buy titan's blood and such at the final shop?
void vigil
I always buy it if I can personally
reef zodiac
I’ve already maxed everything so I have a useless 57 titan’s blood 
thorny mirage
cringe
brisk trail
Damn that's a lot of runs
reef zodiac
Plus my 120 titan’s blood worth of gemstones
thorny mirage
do you have the “unseen one” title
reef zodiac
Nah
reef zodiac
I’m a Sigma Cleaner
thorny mirage
cringe
void vigil
I used to specifically save obol to buy it and not buy anything else throughout my runs so I could afford it in the end
reef zodiac
I only upgrade by 6 tiers at a time so I can be a sigma
void vigil
But I don’t play like that anymore
reef zodiac
alma haven’t you been playing long enough to have maxed everything?
brisk trail
I'm thinking on one hand I don't think I really depend on that 1200 obol on the other if I don't need those its not like I'm gonna need aspects
reef zodiac
I maxed everything out so so long ago
lone kernel
its a flex to buy the blood from charon
hollow hawk
Ive been playing for like 9 months now, and i dont have the badges maxed lol
void vigil
Yes, I have everything but the ranks pretty much, but that was when I didn’t have everything so I was saving up for diamonds for songs and titan blood for weapons
hollow hawk
i just dont save darkness for them
void vigil
I was scared of playing with heat for a very long time so that’s how I farmed them
reef zodiac
i just dont save darkness for them
What do you use your darkness for then?
reef zodiac
How
hollow hawk
Probably because i reset so much for speedruns
reef zodiac
If you’re not spending it, where is it going
hollow hawk
i only complete runs like once a week
void vigil
Ranks are just a lot of darkness, I have 500 hours on the game and still not enough darkness
suddenly regretting all the darkness I traded away for keys or whatever
I have a long way to go but I guess I will get there eventually
reef zodiac
I just wanna be a sigma one
lone kernel
it pretty much works out to six clears is a rank up
reef zodiac
Gotta have the darkness grindset
Yesterday I was reminded how bad Vengeful Mood really is
Even with 3 vengeance boons it’s doing so little damage
I had the 3 strongest vengeance boons too
thorny mirage
it’s fine
has the most new hammers of any aspect
mostly because original hammers wouldn’t apply properly
thorny mirage
What does flash fire do
I just aim in that general area or leave it
in a while I think it blows up on it’s own
pure karma
maybe with mouse it would be better
lone kernel
What does flash fire do
gets rid of the delay between hitting fire and actually firing
thorny mirage
Ah
mint coral
I find it hard to aim at the special to make is explode
if you get a dash that does damage you can use it to explode them
pure karma
I got triple bomb
and uhm
that is a lot of damage
I kinda like the weapon, but the delay is killing me
literally I lost a defiance
wise oasis
the burst on triple bomb luci is nuts
lone kernel
triple bomb greater inferno
reef zodiac
Lucifer is nice because every hammer is really good
pure karma
I have ares cause I am trying to get the duo that makes hangover tick faster
it's strong isnt it?
lone kernel
reef zodiac
the duo is, but on this weapon that’s a truly awful build
The special has high base damage so giving it doom is really weak
lone kernel
I have ares cause I am trying to get the duo that makes hangover tick faster
if youre running dio attack, maybe shoot for blade rift cast
so you can keep special open for a % damage buff
pure karma
I ruined the run didnt I
reef zodiac
The attack hits many times rapidly and ramps up, so you want to hit the same enemy more than 5 times
lone kernel
I ruined the run didnt I
if you're not dead, then no
pure karma
wouldnt artemis on special be insane with triple bomb?
lone kernel
wouldnt artemis on special be insane with triple bomb?
it absolutely would, yes
reef zodiac
Artemis and Aphrodite are really good for special, yeah
reef zodiac
Athena is actually pretty good as well
reef zodiac
zeus/aphro is never a bad choice because smoldering
Yeah
God tempest strike is so bad
The % boost is terrible and the effect is terrible
Is there a single time that tempest strike is in the top 3 best attack boons you could have for a weapon? Just top 3
I guess if you already have sea storm
vapid narwhal
if you think about it... MAAAYBE GY when you put it on attack so you have knockback on the spin
aaaaand I cant really think about another instance where it's a top 2/3 pick
vapid narwhal
talos attack maybe so you get a lot of razor shoals proc but it's not even remotely close to a top 3 pick on talos
thorny mirage
don’t you want flourish on talos
lone kernel
Is razor shoals good
vapid narwhal
it's good
reef zodiac
Epic razor shoals can kinda melt some bosses
reef zodiac
It’s not incredible but it’s honestly one of my favorite boons in the game
vapid narwhal
it's like everything else from Poseidon aside from dash
it's incredible when you have things absolutely going for it
reef zodiac
It’s definitely not as good as breaking wave though
And usually not as good as Wave Pounding
thorny mirage
who’s the worst god in your opinion
reef zodiac
Demeter probably
vapid narwhal
Demter
thorny mirage
alright so I’m not insane
vapid narwhal
grandma is not "bad" per se
she isnt bad, but you just dont find a lot of easy success with her
thorny mirage
I usually dislike demeter’s everything
mint coral
demeter is a support who heavily depends on rarity like a worse hermes
thorny mirage
Aside from like nourished soul maybe
vapid narwhal
I mean there is a reason people only pick her for 1) rare crop, 2) crystal clarity memes
thorny mirage
The rarest of crop
reef zodiac
I mean there is a reason people only pick her for 1) rare crop, 2) crystal clari...
I play mostly on LC4 
So nourished soul is the worst boon in the game for me
vapid narwhal
maybe some form of snow burst, or arctic blast
mint coral
snow burst is neat
vapid narwhal
but she isnt some one that you want to build exclusively for something
reef zodiac
Snow Burst is really good for Hera and Beo
thorny mirage
also I don’t know if I’m just using him wrong but I don’t like ares
reef zodiac
Ares is kinda not great
Imo
He’s good if you’re building around him
But his support boons don’t feel great in most builds
reef zodiac
Demeter still has ravenous will and snow burst though
vapid narwhal
Ares you can do ME, Hunting Blades, or even Curse of Longing (it's not that good btw)
reef zodiac
Ares has… battle rage?
lone kernel
I like snow burst even on non cast builds
reef zodiac
UTK?
vapid narwhal
Demeter is just a... support
lone kernel
Quick burst damage super nice to have on some weapons
And when meme beam gets going it’s beautiful
vapid narwhal
rarely you want to do something around her core kit which is freeze and freeze damage via Arctic Blast
almost every conversation around her is her tier1/2 support boons and that's kinda telling
thorny mirage
Ares has… battle rage?
Blood frenzy?
reef zodiac
We have to agree that top tier is Zeus, Aphrodite, Athena, and maybe Artemis
reef zodiac
Blood frenzy?
Yeah blood frenzy can be alright. It does a tiny bit and then I sell it
lone kernel
Hot take incoming: frozen touch kinda based
Boss hits you, now they’re slow
It’s niche but if you’re forced into dem
reef zodiac
Frozen Touch is not terrible but it’s not great
vapid narwhal
Artemis is an indisputable S tier
reef zodiac
Ok
thorny mirage
Artemis just always works
vapid narwhal
because she doesnt need it
reef zodiac
And her tier 2s are bad other than Hunter’s mark
vapid narwhal
her core boons are bonkers
reef zodiac
The call isn’t great
thorny mirage
Her support boons don’t really need to be good
reef zodiac
More weapons prefer Aphrodite than Artemis as well
Well they do if my core slots are full
thorny mirage
since she’s crit
reef zodiac
But I guess Aphrodite has the same problem
thorny mirage
just core boon her
reef zodiac
Also PP exists
thorny mirage
true
reef zodiac
So yeah I guess I’m convinced
I just don’t play a ton of builds that prefer Artemis over Aphrodite
thorny mirage
clean kill is kinda nice
reef zodiac
Is it?
lone kernel
I kinda like Artemis call
lone kernel
Is it good? Not really
reef zodiac
It’s good for bosses
lone kernel
But a Pom or two on it is half a dad health bar
reef zodiac
vapid narwhal
Elysium butterfly ball boss but your call hit one of the eyes
thorny mirage
EM4 but joycon drift steers you into the laser while you’re hiding
lone kernel
EM4 but your arty call hit one of the small doomstones
Yeah i hold it til phase two usually
reef zodiac
Elysium butterfly ball boss but your call hit one of the eyes
How are you getting full call against Soul Catcher
vapid narwhal
when I was bad!
reef zodiac
How many times would you need to get hit
mint coral
that or poor damage against it so you keep killing the eyes/enemies spawning
reef zodiac
That’s what I had to do for my fresh file runs
Or the ones that made it that far
Which was not many
I had 40+ second butterfly ball fights
pure karma
Guys I am playing Lucifer new run. I have Zeus' strike. I found the following hammers: Triple Beam, Greater Inferno and Triple Bomb.
What would you pick
pure karma
And then you think I should go for Aphro or Artemis special?
mint coral
il say aphro bc i love smoldering air
reef zodiac
Yeah Aphro is best
thorny mirage
also beeg percent
lone kernel
Aphro but a natural Artemis isn’t a bad outcome either
pure karma
I feel like Artemis aid is really bad with Smoldering Air
mint coral
it is
oak gull
So, which fist aspects do you like and why?
reef zodiac
Demeter is the only one I don’t actively dislike
reef zodiac
Gilgamesh can be fun but god is it awful
thorny mirage
Mad cuz bad
reef zodiac
Mad cuz the aspect is bad, yes
thorny mirage
no ur bad
reef zodiac
I guess it’s true that I have yet to beat 40 heat with Gilgamesh
Although I haven’t begun attempts yet
Did 32 though. Not that it’s an accomplishment really
mint coral
fun that my only hermes i saw this run was on erebus gate i couldnt access
pure karma
I liked Gilgamesh. Dunno why it is so hated.
thorny mirage
not really good
pure karma
I guess if I ever reach high heat I will share that opinion
mint coral
i dont like it bc its dash strike is so weak it cant even kill a numbskull
also shorter dashes/longer cooldown beetween them
mint coral
sub 10 but only 1 hammer and 1 hermes, somehow painful
craggy pumice
does anyone know what the fastest time for elysium boss is?
i got 9seconds and i want to know if thats close to fastest
reef zodiac
Tbh I doubt it
Check the routed sub 3 Beo run
I got sub 10 second yesterday actually
lone kernel
that's pretty damn fast tho
good work
Gilgamesh is pretty weird, but splash dash start is lots of fun
i did a 32 with ice wine and scintillating feast, just because
optimal? no
but got it done because dash super based
thorny mirage
I’m trying to steadily work back up to 32 heat
lone kernel
Is kinetic Launcher good with Demeter?
i like it, particuarly on Athena special (little mirror bullets)
breaching cross is pretty much a must take for me on any fists
pure karma
I have aphro special
lone kernel
zeus attack?
pure karma
yes
lone kernel
oh just get smoldering you're fine lol
but kinetic launcher is solid
get a little range on your cutter w the dem fists
pure karma
It has that perfect shot mechanic I hate
forest falcon
Does the hades keepsake increase all damage or only attack
thorny mirage
Hades’s keepsake doesn’t…increase damage at all?
wise oasis
Does the hades keepsake increase all damage or only attack
all damage
pure karma
she won't get the point
thorny mirage
or am I just stupid
vapid narwhal
the call effect does increase damage
jade zenith
the keepsake description doesn't list it
vapid narwhal
and yes all damage
vapid narwhal
yes it's not listed, but in both invisible and unseen status you deal increased damage
forest falcon
so cast too right
lone kernel
It has that perfect shot mechanic I hate
if you get flying cutter too, that could be fun
(or you could just play the bow, but whatever lol)
vapid narwhal
100% at max rank
lone kernel
100% at max rank
for unseen its double power while call is active right
reef zodiac
Hades keepsake is really strong for speedruns. +100% global damage for 2 seconds is very good as it turns out
forest falcon
I'm using it on a achilles spear blizzard shot run
vapid narwhal
so powerful that it was nerfed to 2 bars
thorny mirage
Should be unnerved
pure karma
Oh god picked the wrong keepsake for Hades
wise oasis
Which one?
wise oasis
Could be worse yeah
reef zodiac
Lmao
pure karma
Oh no, now you are gonna tell me Bracer is the most op keepsake and that I am bad?
reef zodiac
How do you accidentally pick Bracer? It’s way up in the corner, so far away from Acorn
reef zodiac
Oh no, now you are gonna tell me Bracer is the most op keepsake and that I am ba...
No it’s like really bad
pure karma
I got out of elysium, and I thought "hmmm bracer needs 2 encounters to rank 3, let's pick it"
then I stood there
wise oasis
Youll be fine tbh
It helps overall if you can look at hades
Not a very good keepsake but
At least it does something
Could be like me and take a god keepsake into Styx cuz you thought it'd give you the god you need 
reef zodiac
Does it not? I’m not sure if I’ve ever tried it tbh
wise oasis
Nah it doesnt
reef zodiac
Oh lol
pure karma
Should I take Cold Fusion of Splitting bolt? Demeter Zeus Attacks and Zeus call with Smouldering air
forest falcon
Does hades spear do anything else besides big spin
pure karma
It applies a debuff with the spean
forest falcon
I'd take splitting bolt
pure karma
spear*
forest falcon
Oh
reef zodiac
Should I take Cold Fusion of Splitting bolt? Demeter Zeus Attacks and Zeus call ...
Splitting bolt is amazing cold fusion is ok at best
reef zodiac
+150%
forest falcon
oh damn
forest falcon
Does it affect the spin as well
reef zodiac
Yeah
thorny mirage
Achilles good
reef zodiac
Hades can get exploding launcher and Achilles cannot
Achilles can get flurry jab and Hades cannot
Zag spear can get both but doesn’t have a 150% damage bonus
Does have a faster special though
Zag spear exploding launcher charged skewer is very strong
It’s kinda the only viable build for the aspect though, at least at high heat
radiant shuttle
whats wrong with the winegods cast , his aoe disperses and yer get the casts back . unlike the dd effects in a Mob , you got to kill those to get yer cast back
lone kernel
whats wrong with the winegods cast , his aoe disperses and yer get the cast...
That’s how some casts work, Demeter beams and ares casts do the same
radiant shuttle
yeah the spinning blades i like aswell , if the damage was bigger .. the aoe of winegod powers up faster
reef zodiac
whats wrong with the winegods cast , his aoe disperses and yer get the cast...
why are you typing like that
radiant shuttle
oh the yer .. yeah i noticed i write that more then i do .. you
thorny mirage
What
reef zodiac
What
radiant shuttle
now i am confused .. i know my english grammatical isnt the best
reef zodiac
Why are you putting so many spaces in random places and so many “..”?
Just type your words and put a single period between sentences
Makes it more legible
lone kernel
yeah the spinning blades i like aswell , if the damage was bigger .. the aoe ...
It does - ares casts without the Artemis duo are basically worthless
Not entirely mind you but they’re awkward and clunky
reef zodiac
Nah they’re alright
But they take some skill to utilize effectively
It helps if you’re using Achilles
narrow hemlock
@reef zodiac popping by briefly but this commentary on someone's grammar is rude, refrain from this in the future please. not everyone is a native english speaker
brisk trail
Right
idle cargo
I've noticed an odd pattern. I've beaten the game twice now with Rama, and both runs, the overall time was slower, but the time it takes to kill dad is faster. This happen to anyone else?
raw herald
Rama tends to have good boss damage but tricky room clear
brisk trail
Got to the champions on 32 heat... I'm getting closer
idle cargo
Nicely done!
remote pebble
32 heat... so hot, probably too hot for me
brisk trail
I've died 8 times in a row trying it
I got Zeus on attack and flurry jabs/triple dash attack on Achilles spear and was doing pretty good the time I reached the champions
Demeter dash I think too and Dionysus special
covert pebble
hey uh i think i found something that is worded wrong in the game - kind of misleading
reef zodiac
What is it?
covert pebble
Empowering Flight - the Hammer Boon for Shield reads: After your Special hits, your next 2 Attacks deal +80% damage.
Yet you only get the buff, when you CATCH the shield, not when you hit the enemy
brisk trail
I thought it did say on return
reef zodiac
I always forget it works like that
raw herald
Yeah it means it's pretty bad on Zeus shield
reef zodiac
That’s not relevant on the other shields but it matters for Zeus
Yeah it’s not good
Well it can be decent for Chaos shield
brisk trail
I haven't even did a single clear with the shield
covert pebble
is there a good channel to report this in? i think thats not intended
reef zodiac
Shield is busted a little bit
brisk trail
Busted how
raw herald
Block good
brisk trail
I don't understand how blocking is that good? Sure it negates damage but you're just standing there not doing damage unless you put down the block
reef zodiac
Especially Beo and Zeus
reef zodiac
I don't understand how blocking is that good? Sure it negates damage but you're ...
Bull rush does a lot of damage. Block, then instantly bull rush, dash strike, and charge bull rush again. Hard to get hit when you do that, and it does crazy damage
Watch top runners do high heat runs with Zeus or Beo and it’ll click
Shield is definitely a little hard to pick up though
Especially with charged shot, it’s like if you were invincible while charging and attack with the bow. It’s insanely good
Don’t just stand there and block though. That’s not what makes it good
lone kernel
First em4 without patty on high heat I’m scared but I have mirage shot beo
reef zodiac
How high?
hardy forum
just a quick question, ive had the lyre prophecy for ages and at thist point the lyre is playing more than 3 or 4 notes but I'm not getting anything from orpheus. I have reunited orpheus and Eurydice.
thorny mirage
Usually a matter of the dialogue just being stuck behind others
hardy forum
orpheus hasnt given me any dialogue in 20+ runs
lone kernel
- Got smoked. Oh well
reef zodiac
hardy forum
sadge
thorny mirage
Probably a matter of you not leveling up the lyre enough then
hardy forum
maybe then
reef zodiac
I stay far away from EM4 at 40 on any weapon
hardy forum
does playing it alot at once level up the lyres progress?
reef zodiac
40. Got smoked. Oh well
Are you doing EM4 for personal challenge or for the 4 heat?
reef zodiac
just a quick question, ive had the lyre prophecy for ages and at thist point the...
For me it just took a really long time
void vigil
you need to play the lyre 210 times to complete the prophecy, with some dialogue in between. so maybe you havent played it enough
hardy forum
alr sounds good
reef zodiac
Lmao 210?? Why
raw herald
15 mins
lone kernel
Are you doing EM4 for personal challenge or for the 4 heat?
Funsies
reef zodiac
Ah ok
lone kernel
With beo it’s if I get patty, I’ll win if I don’t I lose
Really need to force Athena I think
split owl
you need to play the lyre 210 times to complete the prophecy, with some dialogue...
It doesn't all have to be at once, right? I've been doing it a bit here and there.
reef zodiac
Well I wish you luck with it! EM4 is really hard with HL5 FO2 
Yeah Athena is really important
Grab those extra DDs
lone kernel
Got too distracted by the realistic prospect of smoldering air and mirage shot noth, which did happen but the Zeus call I got was the only other Zeus I got 😶
thorny mirage
It doesn't all have to be at once, right? I've been doing it a bit here and ther...
Yea
hardy forum
i finally got through the whole pattie achilles storyline because pattie just wasnt appearing enough
lone kernel
Yeah em4 plays like a base race most of the time@
thorny mirage
I got it without doing all at once
lone kernel
Also four butterfly balls is not based at all dad wtf
Should have used meg in phase one
reef zodiac
Four? I thought he could only spawn 3
lone kernel
Maybe it was 3 idk there were a lot lol
thorny mirage
god I hate it when dad disappears before I meg
reef zodiac
Yeah 3 is still a lot
lone kernel
I focused dad for the first one and then there were three and I was sad
reef zodiac
god I hate it when dad disappears before I meg
If you spam the button as your enter the fight, he can’t get away before it hits
lone kernel
Oh well
lone kernel
god I hate it when dad disappears before I meg
Alternate approach is use it while he uses lasers, basically whichever phase you find scarier
Neither is wrong
reef zodiac
Yeah at high heat (not EM4) I meg in phase 2
Because he’s way faster in phase 2 and it scares me
lone kernel
I find phase 2 not as bad because it’s one on one
But then he kills me
phase 2 em4 is the easiest one for me
“Easiest”
reef zodiac
The minions in phase 1 don’t really pose much of a threat unless they’re bowmen
lone kernel
Didn’t even get to hear the opening riff of phase 3 fight
Now I know when to meg in em4 so it’s kind of a success lol
lone kernel
5 casts level 7 Poseidon w mirage wasn’t enough
lone kernel
Even had sea storm lol
reef zodiac
EM4
lone kernel
Yeah I’m like a little salty because everything went right but didn’t get patty or defiances
lone kernel
So I guess not everything went right and I died
brisk trail
I keep accidentally summoning
reef zodiac
As I once said “If I was gonna do EM4, I might as well have never even started that run in the first place because at least that way I wouldn’t have wasted 40+ minutes of focus”
EM4 HL5 FO2 is too hard
brisk trail
Do you have that written down in your own personal codex or something
reef zodiac
*for me, not like it should be easier
lone kernel
As I once said “If I was gonna do EM4, I might as well have never even started t...
Was em4 hl1 fo2
reef zodiac
Do you have that written down in your own personal codex or something
No, I just searched my messages for the last time I said that exact thing
twin thistle
i like how fo0 dad is harder to dodge for me because hes so dang slow
reef zodiac
Idk. I can’t really give advice on it because obviously we both know the easiest option would have been EM3 HL5 FO2
brisk trail
I feel like high heat is pretty dependent on luck
reef zodiac
Depends how high
Anything with AP2 or RI is gonna be a lot more luck dependent. That’s why I don’t go above 45 heat
brisk trail
Dude
reef zodiac
What
brisk trail
I cannot remember all these acronyms
twin thistle
tldr: heat above 45 you gotta start picking pacts that ruin your rng so
lone kernel
Idk. I can’t really give advice on it because obviously we both know the easiest...
but the song is cool
twin thistle
buy it from the contractor
lone kernel
I cannot remember all these acronyms
You get used to it once you start becoming a sweaty tryhard, but there’s a list pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
brisk trail
Smug Thanatos
chrome wharf
Because he HURTS
my last EM4 run had Athena call so I just procced her greater call the instant dad called Cerberus
twin thistle
if you just run down to the bottom right you wont get hit
chrome wharf
it basically went
"Cerberus."
"Athena!"
reef zodiac
if you just run down to the bottom right you wont get hit
Well except when you do
twin thistle
much*
chrome wharf
the louder you scream and dash around the less you'll get hit. tried and true.
mint coral
or when dad decides to appear with the spin attack in the mid of best boi attack
twin thistle
or just lasers right jn your face
lone kernel
i did a 36 em4 the other day and when dad died i literally yelled the death chord thing that plays when you die at him lol
i was so hyped
brisk trail
Em4 36 heat sounds like agony
lone kernel
Not quite as bad on beowulf
reef zodiac
Em4 36 heat sounds like agony
Then you’d love EM4 50 heat
heady cypress
Is a maxed skelly keepsake or a lvl 1 acorn better for styx(and daddy) im on a new safefile still have to get a successful run
twin thistle
lvl 1 is like what 3 hits
heady cypress
Yep
twin thistle
just use skelly
heady cypress
Alright
craggy badge
Any plans for a ios port ?
chrome wharf
imagine linking movement to the phone gyroscope
lone kernel
Any plans for a ios port ?
Doubt it
heady cypress
Daddy shielded my aphro call and almost killed me
pure karma
Daddy shielded my aphro call and almost killed me<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Hades: Silence wench!
chrome wharf
yum
twin thistle
i keep getting artemis 
pure karma
Hey I have a companion
Forgot to use it lol
I have literally not seen a food room since the start
reef zodiac
i keep getting artemis <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
There are only 4 gods in fresh file btw
mint coral
dio-ares-athena-artemis?
reef zodiac
Yep
twin thistle
yep
chrome wharf
I've never seed a food room ever, iirc
reef zodiac
And chamber 2 is always Athena
Also there are no hammers and there are not wells other than those between regions
pure karma
I think wells replace food rooms or smth?
not wells
uhhh those rooms that heal you
oasis?
twin thistle
theres no gems or nectar so since i had 3 dark laurel exits one became a food room
reef zodiac
uhhh those rooms that heal you
No. I’m talking about wells of Charon. Where you buy items. You’re thinking of a fountain room. And also, the food doors replace gems
twin thistle
well lernie without merciless end and a single dash was a pain
imagine champions if the game wont gimme ME
doesnt help that i have doom on the wrong attack
pure karma
No. I’m talking about wells of Charon. Where you buy items. You’re thinking of a...
Are they so rare? I have not found a single one since my first runs
reef zodiac
Wells of Charon?
pure karma
Food rooms
pure karma
Ah
heady cypress
||Challenged Charon|| in tartaros died in 3 hits including my dd's
reef zodiac
How
thorny mirage
mfw
reef zodiac
Why did you only have 2 DDs first of all
thorny mirage
no dodging
reef zodiac
Also, why were you using high confidence (I assume, either that or RI2)