h1-discussion

[forest falcon]

Ty for explaining

Should be really good with hyper sprint and eris Rail

[rapid forum]

yes

it's super good with hyper sprint

[reef zodiac]

Just lost a 40 heat run to phase 2 hades because I thought “I can take 30 damage from a pot here, it’s better than taking beams to the face” and then took 150 and died

I was seconds away from killing him too

God I only made it that far because I got
• A specific hammer
• A specific epic Hermes boon

[slim grail]

Is it embarrassing that you die to the first boss when you played the game for more than 30 hours?

i just did. i was like "omg whats wrong with me?"

[rapid forum]

after beating the story (not the epilogue), I went off for around a month. Came back to Hades and died to Meg. Did another run and died to Theseus and Asterius.

so uh

it's alright

[slim grail]

yea. one of meg sis, that down syndrome one... her moveset is really unpredictable

I was really having trouble understanding it which i remember i dont have a problem against her last time

[rapid forum]

maybe you just need a warm up

[low ingot]

bruh

I got the perfect glacial glare ice blast crystal clarity mirage shot Achilles spear build

and hades didn't even fight me

just let me go

[rapid forum]

welcome to the club

[finite solar]

Wait he just lets you go?

LOL

That’s funny

[stoic flame]

this was me with my sea storms lucifer build with poseidon attack

the most fun luci build imo

but then yeah you can just go ahead

[rapid forum]

after a few of successful runs, he'd let you go

I won't tell you how many tho

[stoic flame]

[rapid agate]

https://imgur.com/XI0JNFg

with bow

hera bow

[stoic flame]

lesgo

[rapid forum]

I guess you can say... you're loaded with power

[stoic flame]

haha ha

ha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800624008042512384/832896493563936808/811581034617110569.png

[mint coral]

artemis legendary when it appears on cast builds is always satisfying

[stoic flame]

factual.

[rapid agate]

it's the first time it popped too

[reef zodiac]

It’s crazy how Guan Yu is actually really fun with rare or better special speed, charged skewer, and chaos special damage

The downside still feels really painful though

[finite solar]

Evil

Never really used bow

It’s very awkward to me idk

More of a sword guy

Or the shield

The fists and gun are also amazing

[wise oasis]

@rapid agate Whats the mod name for higher level aspects? Wanted to try it but couldnt fin dthe name

[rapid agate]

i dunno

lmao

[wise oasis]

Oh that's my b

I thought you had it

Didn't see whatever the Hermes boon name is

Sorry!

[forest falcon]

Lucifer aspect is fun but it's kinda weird to use

Pretty hard to dodge and shoot at the same time on controller anyway

[mint coral]

lmao took sea storm to took advantage of shield knockback but forgot i took pulverizing blow

[rapid agate]

be proud of me

i finally got a sturgeon

normally i get shaky hands whenever i'm fishing surface fish for obvious reasons

[brisk trail]

I had to shut my computer while the game was running

"progress was saved 600 minutes ago"

[reef zodiac]

It saves every time you enter a room though

[brisk trail]

I had the game on pause

and computer was shut

[deft remnant]

what does rarity even do

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

[brisk trail]

makes boon better

[reef zodiac]

The boon will be better?

[deft remnant]

i took rarity from eury, side hsutle went from 10-13, and razor rupture went from 20-25 dmg

seems so minor

and also the same as +1 lvl

[brisk trail]

you can get the same boon of different rarities, you wanna take higher level rarities while looking for duo boons

[reef zodiac]

Different boons scale by a different amount for rarity or level

[brisk trail]

you can also get a higher rarity by swaping out boons

which also happens to be the only way to get heroic boons

[reef zodiac]

Nah

You can also do Rare Crop or Euridice

[brisk trail]

I once took athena attack boon for it's 87% attack buff

[reef zodiac]

Athena attack? Why

[brisk trail]

because 87% attack buff

[reef zodiac]

But

If it was Aphrodite then it would be closer to 120%

[brisk trail]

I didn't get aphrodite that run

Otherwise I would've taken aphrodite

I escaped that run

[reef zodiac]

Heroic attack boons:
Athena - +92% to +100%
Aphrodite- +115% to +125%

[brisk trail]

I'll check it real quick

[reef zodiac]

Even epic Aphrodite is +90% to +100%

[forest falcon]

Stygian soul for a hunting blades build or infernal

[brisk trail]

Aphtodite also has weak effect

[reef zodiac]

Infernal for sure

[forest falcon]

Alr

[reef zodiac]

Yeah weak is great

Aphrodite is really strong as a primary god

[brisk trail]

I'd defintely take that over athena

[reef zodiac]

For sure

But Divine Dash is

[brisk trail]

But athena attack was my only option

[reef zodiac]

I mean that doesn’t really make sense unless you were doing RI1 AP2

But whatever lol

[brisk trail]

I got the run pulled up one sec

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877375727383760948/887331838513803305/unknown.png

[deft remnant]

im doing bow + poseidon cast

do i go for flurry shto or chain shot

hammer

might not matter unless theres some cool interaction

[brisk trail]

hammer's are op

[deft remnant]

im shooting 3 casts

with 1 attack

[brisk trail]

what

[deft remnant]

aspect of eris i think

[brisk trail]

I'm afraid I don't understand

[deft remnant]

on the bow

aspect of hera*

hot tip if u havent tried it

its insane 😄

everything dies in 1 attack

[brisk trail]

I don't have that yet

I chose chiron

The chesse bow honestly

[deft remnant]

sure

shoot around a corner

but i kill hydra heads in 1 attack 😄

butterfly balls too

[reef zodiac]

Mmm not exactly

I’m having a lot of trouble with 40 heat Hera

[brisk trail]

but they're armored, you can't 1 hit hydra heads

[deft remnant]

its shooting 3 casts per attack

so 4 hits

in 1 attack

[reef zodiac]

It’s funny because the best bow by a lot is Rama

[deft remnant]

and im only on 10 heat

[reef zodiac]

At 10 heat, Hera is fun. But so is Chiron

[brisk trail]

10 heat doesn't neccessarily mean more health

[reef zodiac]

No 10 heat means not 40 heat, which is here I’m struggling with Hera

[brisk trail]

that is also true XD

[reef zodiac]

It’s the only bow I haven’t beat 40 heat with yet

[deft remnant]

problem for me is getting chaos gate for better casts

seems very random

also hermes is casts

[reef zodiac]

You don’t need chaos

[deft remnant]

6 casts is better than 3

[reef zodiac]

6?? If you want 6 you need fully loaded

Or Stygian Shards + Bone Hourglass

[brisk trail]

If you want even more casts run stygian soul

[reef zodiac]

But again, if you guys want to talk about the best bow, then let’s talk about Rama

[reef zodiac]

Don’t run Stygian with Hera

[deft remnant]

i had 6 for satyrs and hades, lucky charon well

but 5 is doable with chaos right

[brisk trail]

pain

[reef zodiac]

Eight is probably possible, but you need absurd luck

It’s inconsistent

[reef zodiac]

Why pain? Why would you even want to do that

[brisk trail]

I don't have hera yet though

[reef zodiac]

Ok?

[brisk trail]

I'll find out why when I get it

[reef zodiac]

I mean I can tell you

Having casts lodged is only an issue against bosses, and they dislodge after 5 seconds with Hera, meaning you’re trading two bloodstones (0.3x ing your damage) for 2 extra seconds

Just a stupid idea

[ripe otter]

Me when I get exclusive access in Tartarus:

[brisk trail]

wow

[ripe otter]

Didn’t happen, but still. Imagine if it did

[reef zodiac]

Your damage will be absolute garbage with one cast

Exclusive Access is alright

[brisk trail]

what's exclusice access

[ripe otter]

All boons become epic for the rest of the run

[brisk trail]

how do I get it and where

[reef zodiac]

It’s a duo

Again, it’s alright if you get it early

It can actually be pretty good

But nothing amazing

[deft remnant]

also i never notice rupture damage doing anything

on bosses i guess

does it show up as numbers?

[brisk trail]

all boons being epic is top tier though

[reef zodiac]

It definitely does something, but it’s probably not easy to tell

[brisk trail]

basically removes any luck

[reef zodiac]

It’s not actually top tier

[reef zodiac]

No it doesn’t lmao you still need to get the right boons

[brisk trail]

my only question is how is it not top teir

[reef zodiac]

Because you often won’t get it until aspodel or elysium

And epic boons are not quite as good as you seem to think they are

It’s not all that good when compared to other duos

[brisk trail]

I haven't yet explored all the duo boons

[ripe otter]

Agreed, other duos are nasty

[brisk trail]

Should probably take a look

[deft remnant]

some duos are game breaking

passive hp regen

[reef zodiac]

Merciful End, Smoldering Air, Hunting Blades, Mirage Shot

[ripe otter]

Duos like ME can be 10X better because it requires less luck

[reef zodiac]

Literally the worst duo in the game though

[reef zodiac]

Getting a good ME build requires a ton of luck what are you talking about

[brisk trail]

I had that duo, doesn't it require having no death defiance left

It sparked no joy

[ripe otter]

Divine dash. Need I say more?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

Because you also need divine flourish, curse of agony, and a duo boon

That’s actually a lot of boons

[ripe otter]

That depends on weapon my guy

[reef zodiac]

It does not

You literally need divine flourish or divine strike to get ME

And you need the dash to make it good

And you need the doom on your attack or special as well

[ripe otter]

I actually didn’t know you needed flourish/strike

[reef zodiac]

It doesn’t depend on the weapon. No matter what, it’s 4 boons, one on which is a duo

[brisk trail]

I got ME once, I felt like it didn't change anything for me

[reef zodiac]

You didn’t build around it correctly then

[brisk trail]

probably not

[ripe otter]

The more you know I suppose

[brisk trail]

I got it by pure chance

[reef zodiac]

Divine Dash is not a prerequisite

ME is arguably the most luck-based build in the game, and that does not change in any way between weapons or aspects

[brisk trail]

is it possible to have 2 duos at once?

[reef zodiac]

I’m so confused how you thought that would change or that ME didn’t require much luck

[reef zodiac]

Yes there’s no limit

But they’re rarer

[brisk trail]

I once found a boon and it had 2 dous in it, but I could only pick one

made me sad

[reef zodiac]

🆗

[brisk trail]

made me wonder

wait that makes me wanna try something stupid

I'll wait till I'm better though

[ripe otter]

Good to know. Also, I’m learning to dodge by not using shield. Managed to beat a spear run so I’m getting better

[brisk trail]

What would be a great dps build

[rapid forum]

zeus, zeus, zeus with fast weapon

put some aphro on top

[brisk trail]

so zues and twin fists

[rapid forum]

or shield

or rail

[brisk trail]

you said fast, sheild is slow

[rapid forum]

shield is considered fast

but yes fist is faster

[brisk trail]

Ig I can see how sheild can be fast

having a hard time seeing it though

[ripe otter]

Shield player here, shield does go fast with the right build

[brisk trail]

huh

well I'm off to play tetris in the middle of class

[ripe otter]

I do the same thing but with chess

[deft remnant]

does boiling blood with aspect of hera

if i shoot 3 casts at once

will the other 2 get bonus?

the last 2

[wicked pebble]

is the spear considered "fast" (Achilles aspect if it matters) and if not what's a good build for that? (is the spear even good lol)

[mint coral]

boiling blood only affects attack/special

[raw herald]

Tidal dash, flurry jab, deadly strike + hunters mark + chaos or lightning strike + jolted

And yeah it's fast

[wicked pebble]

ah, okay, cool. thanks! i've found lightning strike + whatever other lightning boons i can get to work quite well but i wasn't sure if there was something better than it

i'll give deadly strike a try sometime too

[heady cypress]

I thought you were joking why is the meme beam literally strong

Its only rare and it's Already dealing huge dmg

[rapid forum]

meme beam is strong

but boy oh boy do you need to work for it to make it strong

[heady cypress]

16hp Athene trial help

[heady cypress]

Memebeam op won against Daddy and only got hit like twice

[deft remnant]

cast beam?

[lone kernel]

Demeter cast

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/887084872802373703/image0.jpg

[deft remnant]

yes

whats the best weapon to use when going for that build

ognna try it on hardmode final boss

[mint coral]

Achilles

[lone kernel]

Demeter cast, Artemis attack, then you want their duo boon. From there, you need a source of chill (snow burst works well) into Glacial glare and arctic blast. That photo above is from a miracle run I somehow got fully loaded in Tartarus running Stygian soul on mirror, then glacial glare makes beams last longer and thus I could have up to 9 up at once

You can run Achilles spear for bonus cast damage and that def maximizes it, but that death engine above was on Rama bow because I started coin purse as a goof and I take what the game gives me

[signal aspen]

also take poseidon dash for mirage shot

[deft remnant]

im gonna try for beam with athena and artemis duos

hp regen

said and done 😄

[lone kernel]

Poseidon duo for mirage shot would be better than Athena Demeter duo, but Athena is gud so no real wrong choices lol

[deft remnant]

apples and oranges

cant imagine i will ever die with athena demeter duo

just run away for a bit

[lone kernel]

if you get that death engine up you wont need it

[brisk trail]

i feel like i just wasted my titan blood

[last veldt]

What did you spend it on?

[brisk trail]

aspect of chaos

i did 2 upgradrs cuz i thought 1st would just be pretty useless but man

maybe j had a bad build

[craggy pumice]

Chaos is ok

But it’s an aspect that requires max upgrades

Some aspects are good with 0 upgrades

[brisk trail]

its likee

why did i get this when i have chirom

[reef zodiac]

Titan blood is never wasted as long as you plan to max every aspect

[brisk trail]

Also today i learnt the game doesnt pause whwn ur controller runs out...

[lone kernel]

NOPE

haha

i learned that real fast

[brisk trail]

2 death defiances lost on meg😬

[cunning cradle]

just did a 10.00.20, only because my finger slipped and i used meg in a random room and never found it again in a well so i didn't have it for dad

when can i get my sub 10

[brisk trail]

Nope

[wicked pebble]

is stygian or infernal better for crystal meme beam runs

[signal aspen]

Stygian is better if you can get extra casts

[wicked pebble]

ah ok

[heady cypress]

Is asphodel in 6:57 decent?

[lone kernel]

If your tight deadline is still comfortable, then yes

[brisk trail]

WHAT

[heady cypress]

I'm at 11:33 now reached the champs

[brisk trail]

i had an awesome hunting blades set up

and he just || lets me go ||

[heady cypress]

I have 10 minutes left

[lone kernel]

Oh you’re fine

10 min at the campion fight

Should be ok

[heady cypress]

It was

[burnt breach]

what would you replace parting shot with?

[heady cypress]

Ayeee got 17:27

Was trying out the time limit pact

[brisk trail]

I know this skeleton did not just make me do that...

|| as a prank... ||

[brave portal]

Yeap

Wasted a lot of titanic blood for that

[wise oasis]

baited

[reef zodiac]

Pranked

[split owl]

What platform? Cuz if my controller runs out or unplugs, it absolutely pauses. XBox One.

[brisk trail]

lol im on xbox one too

every other game pauses

[split owl]

That's probably something in your settings, because mine pauses.

[brisk trail]

uhh

literally didnt change anythingg

idk what u want me to say

[heady cypress]

What's Megs favor

I gave her a lot of nectar and the next heart has a lock but Idk what I have to do

[split owl]

After a bit of conversation, you will unlock the ability to give her some Ambrosia, and that will unlock her companion.

[heady cypress]

So I just have to die 50 more times to get it?

[split owl]

LOL basically

[heady cypress]

Can I get it by giving up runs

[reef zodiac]

No

[heady cypress]

Or do I have to die

[reef zodiac]

I don’t think so

Giving up never does anything

It’s as if you never even started the run

[split owl]

Giving up runs brings you back to the last time you were in House of Hades, so it's basically just restarting the same run.

[heady cypress]

Was scared for a second

Escaped 4 times in a row thought the streak is gone now

[brisk trail]

nice

pretty good

[stoic flame]

oh my lord chain shot is such trash

it feels so unstisfying

[ebon thistle]

Try it with Achilles spear

[signal aspen]

yes

try chain shot

with achilles

[ebon thistle]

Preferably maxed

[raw herald]

[raw herald]

Chain skewer is the spear hammer, not chain shot

Chain shot is bow

And they are both mediocre

Honestly

[reef zodiac]

Also, chain skewer is not possible on Achilles

[spare tiger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/pn4kzv/finally_got_back_from_a_fishing_weekend/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Found this on my feed

[reef zodiac]

That’s not even that much

[spare tiger]

3 diamonds, 3 titan blood and 2K gems isn't bad though

You gotta admit that

[brisk trail]

damn

i cant imagine winning with the shield

[spare tiger]

poseidon

having knockback on your base attack can do SO much damage

[reef zodiac]

Not really?

[reef zodiac]

Bull rushes have 200+ degree blocking

That gives incredible safety

That’s what makes shield so good

Poseidon on your shield attack is pretty pointless, and adds so much less damage than Aphrodite

Shield is arguably the best weapon in the game

[brisk trail]

ughh

its like super boring idk

ive used chaos aspect so far

maybe i was wrong with the dio special

All my runs average above like 25 minutes and I have 35 clears, is that bad

[strong ridge]

just chuck td2 on & u will adjust

[stoic flame]

Beowulf aspect is really fun

I find every other aspect boring as well

[craggy pumice]

I like Zeus aspect

[stoic flame]

yes zeus is supposed to be good

but

I don't like to play it

beo 😎

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is also super strong, yes

[brisk trail]

What is td 2

[strong ridge]

tight deadline in the pact

lvl 2

[reef zodiac]

Why TD2 when you could TD3

[strong ridge]

he avg 25 min clear that is why

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

Yeah fair I guess

But imo everyone should aim to adjust to TD3 if you want to go past 16 heat

It just makes everything so much easier

[strong ridge]

ya

[brisk trail]

It puts pressure on me to go faster I see

[strong ridge]

ya

redacted keepsake should give u the dog

not poop call

[lone kernel]

Start w td2, if you have ten minutes left after killing dad you can do td3

if you’re scared of it

also it’ll favor taking more chaos and free rooms

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-run-drawing-sprint-gotta-go-fast-gif-5336898

[reef zodiac]

But… it’s literally the best speedrun keepsake in the game

Not really a “poop call” when it’s the fastest call in the game by so much that it’s worth devoting your keepsake slot to it

[strong ridge]

i want the dog

[reef zodiac]

Sucks to be you

[strong ridge]

dog

[cyan tiger]

guan yu paisn me

[mint coral]

Dad call has some fun dialogues at least

[reef zodiac]

Again, it’s also a very good call

[strong ridge]

y do non of the the chthonic gods have calls

[reef zodiac]

Huh

[strong ridge]

the only calls in the game are olympian

[lone kernel]

There aren’t Hypnos boons

[strong ridge]

hades does not have a boon

[reef zodiac]

Because the only boons are Olympian

Just because Hades keepsake is a call doesn’t mean there should be more keepsakes that are calls

[strong ridge]

you live to argue don’t you
regardless of the balance of it i was wondering if there was an explanation about why only olympians have calls

probably not but was curos

[reef zodiac]

Your argument is really weird because you say “why do none of the chthonic gods have calls” but what you really mean is “why aren’t there more keepsakes that give you calls, specifically from cthonic gods”

Again, because more than one call keepsake wouldn’t be fun imo

One is the right number

[strong ridge]

you are insufferable

[reef zodiac]

Cool

I literally just disagree with you

You asked a question, I have given my answer

[signal aspen]

No that's just beo

[reef zodiac]

Oh

Why does Beo have more?

[signal aspen]

Big shield

[reef zodiac]

But isn’t it good enough already

[split owl]

Getting Than's companion might be one of the hardest, because I've gone through like 20 runs without seeing him at House of Hades at all. And you can't offer him Nectar or Ambrosia during the Than battles.

[lone kernel]

It’s the most based

And you take ten p more damage w beo, balanced via giant shield

[chrome junco]

Is there any way to hear Achilles (or anyone) reading the codex entries?

[void vigil]

as far as i know, no, you just have to read them

[chrome junco]

Thank you.

[reef zodiac]

Damn exploding launcher is way faster than I remembered it

Or maybe that’s just the zag spear bonus

Either way, it feels very strong

[lone hornet]

To unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu on spear

Do I just need to take it to Hades

or beat him

[modern garnet]

You don't need to beat him to get the prophecy fulfilled

[split owl]

I thought you had to beat him the first time I got one of those done too, because the wording is misleading. "Reach the surface with..." I thought the surface was where you ended up after beating him.

[lone hornet]

So I've spent the 5 titan's blood already

Does this mean I just have to get to Hades

and it's done?

Have the prophecy list and everything

Or do I have to spend the titan's blood after I get to Hades with spear

[last veldt]

It is not immediate to unlock hidden aspects.

[split owl]

You need to use blood to unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu and reach Hades with that aspect equipped.

[lone hornet]

Wait

I thought I have to get to Hades with spear to unlock Guan Yu to begin with

[last veldt]

Since they require a character interaction to unlock a hidden aspect, that might be preempted by other story.

Getting to Hades might be a prerequisite but it's not the trigger.

I don't know the exact requirements, but none are just unlocked at the moment you get to Hades.

[lone hornet]

Purchase the Fated List of Minor Prophecies
Meet the final boss
Use 5 Titan Blood in Aspects other than Zagreus (can be across the other weapons)
Speak with Achilles for the waking phrase
Equip the Eternal Spear and interact with its holder

This is what I found

I just dont know if they need to be done in this order

or not

[last veldt]

Did you get the waking phrase?

[lone hornet]

Cause I did the Titan Bloods already

No, but I just suicided to go back and talk to Achilles

[last veldt]

That's the character interaction I was talking about

That is a story point, so it might be a few runs before it gets scheduled depending on what other stories are going on.

[lone hornet]

Ah

I see

So a few more suicides it is lol

[last veldt]

Once you have that, you're golden

I'd just play more and it will happen in good time.

If you ignore other stuff that's in progress it might not happen as soon as you want.

If there's nothing else in progress you might be fine

[void vigil]

Use 5 Titan Blood in Aspects other than Zagreus (can be across the other weapons)
you need to unlock 5 different aspects, not just use 5 titan blood. maybe thats the issue?

@lone hornet pinging so you know, maybe you dont have the requirements?

[lone hornet]

Oh

Is it

Unlocking 5 aspects

or using 5 titan's blood on aspects

that are not zagreus

[void vigil]

it is unlocking 5 aspects that are not zagreus to get the spear's hidden aspect

it is using 5 titan blood on the weapon (can be in zagreus aspect) for all the rest of the hidden aspects

[lone hornet]

Are you sure? Cause if so then I guess that site I used was just wrong info

[void vigil]

which site was that?

both the wiki and the pins in #h1-story-discussion are correct

[lone hornet]

I just googled "hades how to unlock 4th aspect"

And this was teh first result for me

https://www.shacknews.com/article/121824/how-to-unlock-hidden-aspects-hades

[void vigil]

let me see

yes, its incorrect

[lone hornet]

Ah

That was wasted titan's blood then

[twin thistle]

where did ya stick the titan blood

[lone hornet]

Oh well, I'll just unlock 5 different aspects on random weapons

Mainly spear

unlocked its other aspects and upgraded

[twin thistle]

achilles is good

[lone hornet]

Yeah

It's what I'm using

Bow was what I used to do my first clear

[twin thistle]

use the power of meme beams

[lone hornet]

I just wish there was a way to use Bow with Flurry shot constantly

[twin thistle]

get used to dash striking/powershotting

[void vigil]

if you check the actual wiki page it links you can see the correct information, but the most detailed information is here https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Spear#Revealing_the_Aspect_of_Guan_Yu

[twin thistle]

bow is great without flurry

[lone hornet]

Thank you, Alma!

I'll use the wiki from now on

[mint coral]

tried to dash only with zeus dash but poseidon just went and offered heroic tidal dash

[lone hornet]

I can tell

from using it

but I just

really prefer flurry

Maybe it's the scrub in me

[chrome wharf]

heard talk of an update, is it for switch or only XBox/PS

[narrow hemlock]

https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1437862629700096000

Supergiant Games (@SupergiantGames)

Hades players on Xbox, we recently pushed an update that should address issues with achievements not always unlocking when expected. Thank you for playing! #HadesGame

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[maiden bane]

Will someone explain the difference between boon level and rarity? I never see a reason to pick up ambrosia when at Eurydice

Instead of Pom Porridge

[raw herald]

Some boons scale better with rarity than level

[maiden bane]

Will you elaborate?

[raw herald]

And pom levels have diminishing returns

For some boons the increase from common -> rare will be better than level 2 -> 3 for example

Also ambrosia affects Hermes boons

[maiden bane]

Ok

[strong ridge]

maybe it takes u 3 poms on a common when 2 would be equal on rate

rare

[maiden bane]

Well

The Ambrosia leveled my Athena cast so -_-

Fml

[strong ridge]

w

i roll for rarity a lot since it’s the only room with even an opportunity to get ur rarity up outside of god-replacement rng

and some boons don’t level

[maiden bane]

Does Athena cast block dad lasers?

[manic bobcat]

no

[maiden bane]

3rd clear pog

[manic bobcat]

pog congrats

!!

[twin thistle]

man i got such crazy rng with 32 heat guan yu

[brisk trail]

Damn the king and the bull theme slaps

[halcyon imp]

Agreed

[halcyon imp]

Also agreed

[void vigil]

if you upgraded the room reward from the house contractor, thats what it means and youll get an additional benefit from picking up the reward

[quiet lily]

you ever just get that kind of bad luck?

[split owl]

After you get all upgrades on the House Contractor that aren't just cosmetic, do you still get the exclamation mark telling you to upgrade things?

[quiet lily]

going for mirage shot duo boon, but instead, you reroll once, you get a duo to choose from, but it's lightning rod, you reroll again, lightning rod yet again, pick something else, choose the artemis boon room afterwards instead of Charion before learnie, get lightning rod YET AGAIN

3 times in a row!

c'mon!

[fathom moth]

anyone seen this dope comic on the subreddit?

its so good it looks official

[manic bobcat]

holy that's p good

[void vigil]

for future reference, you can post fanart in #fan-works! its also been posted there fairly recently

[fathom moth]

oh oops sorry ill remove it here

[copper anvil]

whats the hardest fight iyo

[twin thistle]

max heat charon in tartarus

[mint coral]

do it

[split owl]

To raise affinity for The Queen's Plan, do you have to give nectar to the Gods or is taking boons from them often enough enough to get the hearts needed to finish this quest?

[twin thistle]

nectar plus do their favors once you reach the locked heart then give ambrosia unless its demeter who you only need to reach the locked heart for

[frigid dove]

god damn em for hydra is hard

I beat it but I have a hard time with lava

[wicked pebble]

took maimed strike on exagryph

very smart choice :) (especially cuz it was right before hydra fight)

[split owl]

90 frickin' runs and I haven't gotten Flame Wheels Release once. It's the only one I need for the Well of Charon prophecy.

[twin thistle]

reroll wells in elysium i guess

[spare current]

oh damn i remember getting flame wheels release like ONCE

and it was on a run where i could safely deal with them anyway

[acoustic plank]

Did you check all the wells 90 times or did you ignore wells until you realized you needed that prophecy and just havent gotten it for 5 runs in a row

[twin thistle]

yeah its quite rare

[spare current]

no i just popper the well cuz i wanted healing

[split owl]

I check the well every time I see one.

[spare current]

i didnt even know it was an item that existed

[acoustic plank]

Its rare but not that rare

[split owl]

Mainly because there are certain items I'll buy EVERY TIME. For instance, the Yarn that increases the rarity of your next boon.

[acoustic plank]

It took me 20 dedicated runs to get the last chaos boon I needed

[twin thistle]

also while chasing it are you also using fated persuasions on elysium wells

[acoustic plank]

I see it enough that it annoys me when I see it

[split owl]

I haven't seen it yet. I keep an eye out for the fated symbol, and it's literally the only one I need.

[acoustic plank]

Play normally and you'll get it at some point. Focus on other things and it'll happen faster.

[copper elbow]

just tried an EM4 run for the first time out of curiosity. it was.. interesting

apparently Achilles' aspect is so good even Hades is using it now

[twin thistle]

well that was smart https://imgur.com/a/pRc88r6

[chrome wharf]

I think I found a cool detail - if you kill the enemy type that killed you in the last run, Zag says "that was for last time"

[steady geyser]

Do god boons like Owl Pendant not work going into temple of styx?

Cause I didn’t get any athena boons, even after using a die

[twin thistle]

did you put on the pendant in an earlier region?

i wouldnt recommend a god keepsake in styx to begin with

[steady geyser]

Yeah I had it the whole run. Does it only work for 1 region?

[granite ether]

The boon garentee thing only works once

[twin thistle]

^

[steady geyser]

Oh. Lame

[granite ether]

There's an indicator under the keepsake

It also specifies "the next boon

But very easy to interpret that as working for the whole run

[steady geyser]

I thought it’d work once per region

[granite ether]

The rarity chance increase stays for the entire run though

[steady geyser]

Oh ok

[granite ether]

Nah, sadly not

[hearty sierra]

The last sliver of health, man

That sucks

[twin thistle]

well i just beat him on my lastest run

but the pain

[rapid forum]

That would be utterly broken, and immediately erase my frustration of getting legendary

[twin thistle]

guaranteed zeus every region

[rapid forum]

Guaranteed arty every region

Fully loaded every time

[twin thistle]

okay so zeus on demeter fist special doesnt work tbh not unexpected with how close those hits are

[rapid forum]

I should try that

[spare current]

what's the name of the track that plays during infernal troves?

[brisk trail]

wait so the keepsake doesnt gaurantee it once like in tarturus then in asphodel then elysium then styx?

or is it just once in tarturjs and thats it

[twin thistle]

when you reroll aphro twice and no special

[twin thistle]

once in the region you equip it

[brisk trail]

that explains a lot

[twin thistle]

well if you equip it in a region and somehow dont get em to show up then itll work in the next region

[brisk trail]

well if u get one

ur more likely to get it again right?

[modern garnet]

if you get a boon from a god, that god is added to your god pool

god pool activates once you have at least 4 gods, and once it's active you won't see boons from other gods unless you use a keepsake that guarantees a god

hermes and chaos never get added to a god pool

which is to say, once you have boons from 4 gods, it's 1/4 chance of getting a boon from that god if you get a boon

also purging a boon doesnt remove from pool

there's probably other exceptions I'm forgetting

oh right, miniboss rooms outside of styx only give boons

so reroll miniboss rooms to get the boons you desire

[twin thistle]

actually how even do the chances for gods in your pool vs not even work and does it change depending on whether you have 1-3 gods in there or not

[wicked pebble]

does purging a boon prevent you from getting duos that have it as one of the dependencies?

i know having the duo doesn't prevent you from purging a boon that was needed for it previously

[twin thistle]

yes

[modern garnet]

if you have less than 4 gods in your pool, you can see any god, and I think you have even odds of seeing each god

[void vigil]

wretched shades iirc (the second half of it)

[empty trench]

So I abruptly escaped in my third run ever, was definitely not expecting that to be the end of the run.
I'm wondering if, outside of turning on the hard mode option I saw, that's the peak of difficulty that's still within the storyline or if it actually continues from there?

[wicked pebble]

by hard mode do you mean the pact of punishment?

[empty trench]

Uhhh, no, Hell Mode.

But I think I have to restart to do that.

[wicked pebble]

oh

[empty trench]

I'm only asking because I think I can still persuade someone for a refund on the game with my playtime and if I'm already past the climax of the storyline I'd probably like to.

[wicked pebble]

well there's the pact of punishment and that is part of the storyline depending on your definition

[steady geyser]

There’s much more to the game, you unlock new weapons and difficulty modifiers and stuff

[spare current]

alright thank you

[wicked pebble]

you're definitely not gonna run out of content anytime soon; your first escape is only 10% of accomplishing the "primary objective" and the game keeps going even after that

[empty trench]

And that's all built into the plot and story and dialogue and stuff and it continues? Because that was my biggest draw to the game.

[rapid forum]

yes

[empty trench]

Okay, thank you very much.

[steady geyser]

Yeah I’ve escaped like 40 times and I’ve still got at least like 7 things yet to unlock

Yo, Excalibur +30% attack speed is 👌

[empty trench]

Yeah, it was mostly just that I had zero doubts that that was not the end of the run and was totally expecting Hades to escape at the last minute or something and I'd go fight him more times later.

I guess +4 bounce shield and Doom on Special just sort of skips all the learning curve for the initial escape section of the* game.

[wicked pebble]

oh don't worry you fight him more times later

[steady geyser]

My first escape was with the shield too

[forest falcon]

My firsts escape was zag spear i think

[rapid forum]

nemesis sword

which is funny

cause nowadays I don't like playing sword

maybe poseidon

but you don't play poseidon for the sword

[reef zodiac]

My first win was Chiron

[empty trench]

It was really kind of laughable how much stronger that Doom Shield was than either of the first two runs, like several orders of magnitude.
Literally just stood in a corner and spammed it at a wall and everything on the map died.

[reef zodiac]

Hmm

How long was your run? Like what was your clear time?

[empty trench]

Uhh.

37:10. But most of the run was still brand new content for me and I spent a lot of time just dashing around unfamiliar enemies seeing how they worked.

[raw herald]

It's definitely a safe build

[reef zodiac]

Well still, that’s where the issue is with Doom shield

[raw herald]

I think doom on shield special was my first clear as well

[reef zodiac]

If you don’t mind at 35+ minute run, then go for it

I haven’t had a run over 21 minutes in like 6 months

[empty trench]

I mean of course I don't, I've literally never used the weapon before, I'm not going to be like "yeah, that one's definitely too slow for my tastes."

It's just weird to me that any build just hands a new player who hasn't even seen most of the enemies before a free win like that.

Even considering it's not using NG+ modifiers.

[reef zodiac]

What in the world is a NG+ modifier

Pact of punishment?

Aka heat

[empty trench]

I meant the - yeah. I haven't looked at it yet.

[reef zodiac]

How many wins do you have?

[empty trench]

1. It was my third run ever.

That is what brought me here.

[reef zodiac]

It was your third run ever??

Oh wait that’s super impressive

Wtf

[steady geyser]

What’s the best attack boon for Lucifer?

[reef zodiac]

Zeus

And get Jolted

[steady geyser]

Aight bet

[reef zodiac]

Gl

Bro if you won on your third run ever, that’s legit very impressive

[empty trench]

I died to the first boss, then scraped past the second boss on the brink of death and died almost immediately in the third area, then I started this run, got +4 bounce upgrade from the free Hammer it gave me at the start, Doom on Special and literally just spammed my way through the entire game without a hitch.

Except Hades who did like 500 damage to me and only needed 1 or 2 more hits.

[reef zodiac]

Were you holding bull rush to block?

[empty trench]

Uhhh, I used that against Bone Hydra and literally nothing else because I forgot about it until you said that just now.

[reef zodiac]

Tbh doom is literally the only way to make shield special playable

Since it does 15 base damage

[empty trench]

I got the same impression - the damage looked pretty pitiful. Hangover doesn't cut it? Not enough hits?

[steady geyser]

What about the aspect that throws multiple

[reef zodiac]

Not really

[reef zodiac]

Yeah if you get Explosive Return then it can be pretty decent

[empty trench]

Epic Curse of Pain level 8, Heroic Battle Rage, Dread Flight, Divine Dash. Those were all the things that contributed anything relevant.

[reef zodiac]

And Zeus shield is great

But that’s because it has a different special

[reef zodiac]

Lvl 8 epic curse of pain? Damn is that like 260 damage?

[empty trench]

I also got a thing that increased additional Dooms on a target by 14 but it did not work the way I thought it would and turned out to be useless.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Dire Misfortune sucks

[forest falcon]

Yeah the doom stack thing is hella bad

Unfortunately

[empty trench]

(I thought it would be like, every Doom does 14 more than the previous one.)

[reef zodiac]

Impending Doom is pretty good though

[empty trench]

I passed that one up for the Epic (later Heroic) Battle Rage and didn't regret it - the Battle Rage was actually super good all the way until after the third boss(es).

Kinda useless after that, mind you, but whatever.

Well I am happy to be informed that I did not accidentally skip the whole game. I shall now continue to play it.

[reef zodiac]

Battle rage doesn’t affect doom damage though

[empty trench]

Yeah, I know, but with the shield murdering everything around the map it was getting the Battle Rage buff on almost every throw and the Doom was only like 80-100 at the time with the Battle Rage hits being 45 and often hitting twice during a single Doom delay.

It was a solid damage buff for a single Boon I didn't have to keep upgrading like I was the Doom damage.

[reef zodiac]

Battle rage was doing 30 damage per throw. Impending doom would have been doing 140ish

So… not really equal but whatever

Doesn’t really matter now

[empty trench]

Well if we're only considering the bonus damage, Impending Doom would have been 65% of the ~100 I had at the time, so +65, but also increasing the delay by 50%. It seems to me like, in a scenario where you're constantly re-applying Doom as soon as it triggers, that's barely an increase at all?

Maybe I'm missing something there but it struck me as a boon that only does much if your Doom triggers aren't constant.

[reef zodiac]

The delay isn’t an issue because you’re not throwing your shield every second

[empty trench]

I totally am though.

[reef zodiac]

No, because it hits 6 enemies before coming back. I’ve played with Dread Return

You need to be applying doom literally every second for that to not be worth it

[twin thistle]

impending doom works with merciful end right

[reef zodiac]

Yes very effectively

That’s ofc the best place for it

[empty trench]

I rewatched a clip I took in early act 1 and I'm definitely throwing the shield like faster than once a second for the whole room - though that's definitely some major cherry picking. (Low enemy count and generally bunched up), that shield kinda just hit everything everywhere and the popped back into my hand instantly for the whole run from my perspective. Once a second average seems like a very reasonable estimate.

[reef zodiac]

Also, with impending doom, you get more damage and have to attack less. This allows you to focus more on safety

[empty trench]

That's the whole reason I went with Battle Rage after all, because I was hitting enemies 2 and I think sometimes 3 times before the Doom of the first hit wore off.

[reef zodiac]

Again, it’s not a huge deal, but your battle rage was literally giving you only 30 extra damage

[empty trench]

Plus I didn't know at the time that the Doom was going to be triple its original damage.

[reef zodiac]

There is no way that you were throwing the shield 3 times every second. Even at point blank range against one enemy I’m not sure if that’s possible

I’m sorry but I just think you’re wrong here. It really doesn’t matter though

[empty trench]

Oh, you can't post images here.

[twin thistle]

you can link em

like upload it to imgur or your own server then link it

[empty trench]

Oh wait, if I'm doing that I might as well just link the actual clip instead of a screenshot of it.

https://streamable.com/8o8z68
There's four enemies up the corner of the screen, the shield is bouncing off three of them, they're a decent distance away (but all grouped up), and I'm still throwing it like twice a second or a little faster.

Just as a reference.

(Er. Right at the start of the clip, the initial throws.)

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I guess, but looking at the whole clip you would have done way more damage with Impending Doom

Because again, battle rage gives you an extra 30 damage per throw

Which is nothing

[twin thistle]

well rather than the only 30 damage part its mainly just that battle rage isnt always active

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s both

[twin thistle]

not that great against bosses and tankier enemies

[reef zodiac]

But even if it was always active, it’s doing very little for you

[twin thistle]

pretty awesome on slow hard hitting stuff though

[reef zodiac]

Like Arthur and Guan Yu and Hestia

[twin thistle]

guessing he hasnt unlocked aspects yet though

[empty trench]

It took a little while before it started being basically like every throw, but yeah.
And of course it's almost useless against most of the bosses.

My point is more about the effect of Impending Doom though.
Every enemy is being Doomed again just about immediately once the prior doom expires, so Impending Doom feels like it would be doing almost 'Exactly What It Says on the Tin,' 65% more damage with 50% longer intervals. And that'd be especially true just tossing it at a lone boss from close range. That also seems somewhat marginal.

Ultimately I'm inclined to agree with you if you look at the proc speeds and still say so though, you know far more here than I do.

I don't even know what aspects are.

[reef zodiac]

I understand what you’re saying but you’ve also never used impending doom ever, have you?

[forest falcon]

Could just use the attack while waiting for thr doom to activate

[twin thistle]

well yeah if youre constantly applying doom as soon as it expires its only like a uh 10% damage increase

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but why would you be

[forest falcon]

and it doesn't take a super long time to activate

[empty trench]

That, that's sort of what I'm trying to say but being very bad at it.

[forest falcon]

Even with impending doom

[reef zodiac]

Exactly

Also, 10% damage increase is still better than battle rage

[twin thistle]

since you cant apply a doom stack on top of another one though you wont really be refreshing it immediately though so that bonus damage is quite often over 10%

[reef zodiac]

Nah

Because you just don’t spam special when everything already has doom

Instead, you attack

Or get to a better area so you’re safer

Sure if you play like an idiot then it’s only 10% and has no other upside

But that’s not a good way to tell if something is good

[candid folio]

There is that one ares boon that lets doom stack

[twin thistle]

well it doesnt matter much in the end. dont need to be that abrasive about it

[reef zodiac]

That boon is super incredibly bad

Dire Misfortune doesn’t even really work

[twin thistle]

well uh not exactly stack

[reef zodiac]

Yeah “stack” feels misleading

[empty trench]

Oh, that's totally all I did the whole game, there's scary enemies out there and I don't know what they do so I spent pretty much the whole time just hiding in a corner dashing back in forth to Deflect and tossing the shield around it. That was the whole perspective of my thoughts during this conversation too and everything makes a lot more sense now.

[forest falcon]

the doom stack thing should just work like curse of longing

[twin thistle]

it just increases the damage of a doom application after more hits with the doom applying attack

[reef zodiac]

Yeah, if you want to do that, and spend time focusing on safety, then Impending Doom is great because you have to special less and get more damage for it

[empty trench]

If I used Attack on anything it was because it got too close to my hiding spot and I wanted to knock it away.

[reef zodiac]

That’s what I was trying to say here

[empty trench]

Yeah, I was just looking at it wrong.

[dusky wedge]

Ugh, sometimes I just hate how some gods just needs several of their own boons for the core mechanics to be good

When you’re looking for more Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter or Ares, and none shows up, even when the gods are already in your pool

I’m just gonna say here that Fated Authority is better than Fated Persuasion

[reef zodiac]

Ok well you’re entitled to your opinion

But how in the world are you supposed to get the boons you need from those gods when you can’t reroll

The odds that you roll into a god you need are low

[twin thistle]

just reroll with persuasion and not get the boons you want anyways

[dusky wedge]

I’d rather try my chances at random Zeus boons, rather than any other gods I don’t even need in the first place

[reef zodiac]

Ok

You do you

[dusky wedge]

I’m sorry, but certain gods requiring several of their own boons to be good, just doesn’t play well with how the gods are distributed throughout a run

It just doesn’t feel good when I need more Zeus, but I only met Zeus twice on that run

[twin thistle]

zeus is pretty good with a lot of stuff with just one of his core boons along with jolted

[alpine fern]

D:

[steady geyser]

Pom blossom in the temple is fun

[alpine fern]

The hell is this?
I'm pretty sure most of my friends who've gotten into the game before haven't seen the Temple in like dozens of runs lol

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, but I want more Zeus, because I want my Smoldering Air to be fully synergized

Lol

[empty trench]

Well maybe they should try making a new profile so that they get a free Hammer at the start of their third run.

[twin thistle]

lmao smouldering zeus call with every 2nd tier boon and splitting bolt

but tbh itd be pretty op if you could influence boon rng that much

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, I know, I know, it’s a roguelite, you live with what you got, I understand that, but of course, it’s still frustrating when I can’t get the gods I want

[dusky wedge]

That’s the dream, buddy lol

[steady geyser]

Lucifer w/ Eternal Chamber + Support Fire be like: arrows go brrrr lmao

[twin thistle]

huh actually whats the cooldown for support fire

[reef zodiac]

Lmao good luck getting Smoldering Air without refilling boons. It’s possible, but easily twice as hard

[twin thistle]

just be luckier smh

[dusky wedge]

And that’s why it’s frustrating at times

[reef zodiac]

No, that’s why I use persuasion

As long as every god I see gives me good boons, I’m fine

[twin thistle]

going for legendaries is kinda a pain compared to duos

[dusky wedge]

Good for you I guess

[reef zodiac]

It is

[dusky wedge]

Me, I’m gonna use Authority from now on

[reef zodiac]

Ok man whatever you want

[forest falcon]

Similar to thunders from zeus special i think

[reef zodiac]

I’ll keep getting my good boons from a spread of gods, you can keep getting your bad boons from a specific god

[twin thistle]

nah. support fire seems to be able to proc more often than zeus bolt

[dusky wedge]

Man, just stop being so argumentative all the time, not everything is an argument, and not everyone is looking for argument all the time smh

Chill, man

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I wasn’t even sure there was a cooldown tbh

Are we sure there is one?

[forest falcon]

I don't think it spawns an arrow fo every shot in chiron

So there's some cooldown

[twin thistle]

think with chiron id get like 2 or 3 a volley or something

meanwhile half the time id get one zeus bolt

[reef zodiac]

Hmm alright

I never noticed a cooldown but I believe it

[dusky wedge]

Like, I understand how the game works, and I understand why, but that doesn’t mean I don’t get frustrated at times and complain too though

[reef zodiac]

I don’t end up with SF very often

I wish SF triggered whenever crystal beam dealt damage

[forest falcon]

Crystal beam is probably the reason sp is on cast throw and not hit

[reef zodiac]

Maybe yeah

[twin thistle]

also hunting blades

[slim grail]

poseidon skills are really op huh. that bounces off walls is just... wow

[reef zodiac]

Wym

[rapid forum]

Breaking wave

?

[twin thistle]

lol breaking wave in styx kinda turns enemies into pinballs sometimes

[slim grail]

yea i think it is called breaking waves. Like it bounces off the walls when u use a skill or something and ping pong the enemies while you're at it

soo op

poseidon really do wonders in late game

clear waves sooo much easier

and the other op goddess is aphrodite .... which u guys know the obvious reason why. The moment i unlock that one skill of her, i know definitely you guys take it too hahaha

poseidon and aphrodite, thank you

[reef zodiac]

Breaking Wave is a very good boon for sure

[burnt breach]

@reef zodiac hey did you not want to test the balance thing?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I will sorry I’m trying to balance school while getting in a few runs here and there. I’d have to figure out how to mod on my PC, so I’ll do it another day

[burnt breach]

ah well that's life. still, I suggest you join the modding server to see what's being done and contribute suggestions/feedback

most of what you asked I have implemented btw

[reef zodiac]

Spreaders being programmed to hide behind walls in Erebus gates is one of the most enraging things in the game

I go on one side, they quickly switch to the other side

Why in the world were they programmed to do that?

It just becomes a game of tag where we just go in circles around the pillar

One armored spreader can like 40 seconds to kill

[low cradle]

Is there any sure way to get Chaos fishing spots lol

[reef zodiac]

Get lucky

[cinder fiber]

Ensure a fishing spot will spawn and be lucky enough to have a chaos gate nearby lol

Time to send my father back to the house this morning #NoSleepIntheunderworld

[hushed belfry]

Or get Poseidon’s legendary boon

[high island]

You really gotta reign in your attitude towards anything that isn't optimal.

[hushed belfry]

idk why people are like that

[low cradle]

So fishing spots only spawn after you've cleared so many chambers since the last fishing spot right?

I might just not fish anywhere to better my chances

[hushed belfry]

it's basically luck

you'd need a room with a chaos door, a well of charon and the well to have the fishing item (and gold for it ofc)

but in that one in a million scenario you're guaranteed a fish if I'm remembering right

[high island]

Very sure it's just about when the last fishing spot appeared, not when you last fished.

[low cradle]

the fishing item is the boon you get from Poseidon right?

[hushed belfry]

no there's a boon too

but it's an item in the well of charon (the purple wells)

looks like a fishing bait

[low cradle]

hmm

I should use the wells of Charon more often

[hushed belfry]

sometimes it has good stuff

one time I saw a kiss of styx I think

[high island]

If you equip the Conch Shell, it counts as one requirement for Huge Catch.

Gods' Legacy to improve your odds of getting a legendary.

Then you just need one out of Sunken Treasure and Ocean's Bounty to unlock Huge Catch.

[hushed belfry]

it's very rare but I once found huge catch right at the start of my run. idk how or why but I did

one of only legendaries I've got so far, I've had terrible luck for that

[high island]

It's a scripted event that happens only once.

[hushed belfry]

oh is it?

neat

shows how naive I am

[high island]

It's like shortly after you acquire the Rod of Fishing. Don't remember the exact requirements.

[vapid narwhal]

no requirement

it simply happens very shortly after getting the rod, and will ignore prerequisites

[hushed belfry]

well surely you'd need the rod

[vapid narwhal]

yeah the rod is the only trigger

[hushed belfry]

ah ok

I've found that and the ares legendary

[vapid narwhal]

it will only happen once as your first encounter to the boon itself

[hushed belfry]

that turns you into the red ring

wasn't good for my playstyle but is cool

[vapid narwhal]

you mean the ares call

[hushed belfry]

oh nvm

what is his legendary lemme chek

I definitely got one other legendary

[vapid narwhal]

his legendary is vicious cycle

[hushed belfry]

it was athena

the one that gives you a barrier

like patroclus' keepsake

[vapid narwhal]

divine protection

[hushed belfry]

yeye

[high island]

That's a requirement.

[rapid forum]

out of curiosity, have any of you tried a call only run?

[hushed belfry]

not yet

if you were it'd have to be aphrodite's i think

[rapid forum]

that would be interesting

...and prob very long run

[hushed belfry]

hence why I said hers as it does like 3000 damage when fully charged

[rapid forum]

...to a target

[hushed belfry]

ye

shoots out a beam

[rapid forum]

that's not exactly good for mobs lmao

I guess you can charm one and hope they kill every one else

[dusky wedge]

I’ve tried Sisyphus keepsake and Smoldering Air once. Damage only picks up after I got Smoldering Air lol

[high island]

Lesser Calls do one damage. So you can kill enemies with that.

[rapid forum]

each room takes 10 mins to clear lol

[high island]

So?

[rapid forum]

I might try it

[high island]

Lots of time for snacks and chat.

And tea.

Sounds like a Lady Aphrodite run to me.

[rapid forum]

and question one's sanity

[dusky wedge]

Sounds more like AFK Vengeful Mood

[rapid forum]

spam that RT

[burnt breach]

and how do you plan to build bar?

[rapid forum]

god's favor

[burnt breach]

you mean hermes' boon that charges the bar?

[rapid forum]

yes

[wise oasis]

Lots and lots of skill

[burnt breach]

ah I thought you were gonna to do that unmodded lol

[vapid phoenix]

Screw zag bow twin shot

Triple shot is where it’s at

[rapid forum]

that would be too easy lol

[burnt breach]

[high island]

You can get Smoldering Air in like chamber 3 or 4.

[rapid forum]

well you can

I've had duo boons that took only 4 - 5 chambers

[burnt breach]

I'm confused

[rapid forum]

but it needed for the planets to align

[burnt breach]

you want to do a call only run but it's impossible without mods

you'll die before you get to hermes

[rapid forum]

now that's what a pessimist would say

[wise oasis]

I mean you'd just start normal and switch to call only asap

[burnt breach]

then it's not call only

[deft remnant]

its a call build

[high island]

Like I said, you can get Smoldering Air early.

[burnt breach]

you'll still die before you get it

only way to build bar is to get hit

I mean if you're insanely lucky maybe

but not realistic

[high island]

Stubborn Defiance exists.

[burnt breach]

that's even worse with SD

[high island]

High Confidence and maybe Guan Yu to build god gauge easily with traps.

Nah.

[deft remnant]

ive currently got crystal beam, mirage shot, stubborn defiance, crystal clarity, side hustle, 5 bloodstones

:)))

soon at the hydra

[burnt breach]

shoot it with lasers

[high island]

Persuasion to get a Call chamber 1.

Would take resets, but it's not impossible.

[deft remnant]

btw how do you reset chamber 1?

u gotta clear x chambers and then die?

[burnt breach]

you know what I'm not gonna argue with a speedrunner, they bend reality and physics

tell me when you succeed your call only run nya

[high island]

I don't speedrun, I do high heat.

[burnt breach]

you speedrun high heat

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high island]

Those speedrun WRs were only accidents, I swear.

[burnt breach]

[rapid forum]

you kinda need to speedrun when you put TD3

[high island]

32 is low heat.

[stoic flame]

"low heat"

[burnt breach]

medium

[stoic flame]

32 is the lowest of high heat

[dusky wedge]

[reef zodiac]

Didn’t Pseudo do a call only run? Oh I guess they used vengeance boons

32 is mid heat at best

Imo

[stoic flame]

smh

[burnt breach]

vengeance is not call only

[high island]

Anything below 51 is low heat.

[stoic flame]

noobs

evertyhing below 65 heat

low

af

[reef zodiac]

What’s mid heat to you? 51-59?

[burnt breach]

my vanilla mans out here playing less than 99 heat and calling that high heat

smh

[stoic flame]

smhsmh

[high island]

What does af mean?