h1-discussion

[low ingot]

can u do crystal cliarty and hunting blades with it?

[raw herald]

Also I'd rebind cast to LB

[rapid forum]

you can

[low ingot]

i like those a lot

okay

[rapid forum]

but I wouldn't recommend

[twin thistle]

no point tbh

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but why would you do that

[raw herald]

You can but it's not good

[low ingot]

oh

[reef zodiac]

Use Achilles for those always

[twin thistle]

phalanx shot is also cool with hera

[low ingot]

yea im using achilles for then

[raw herald]

Those builds want +150% rush damage

Crush shot is generally the best one

[low ingot]

so the casts which are not as good alone get good with the bow?

like aphro cast

[rapid forum]

hmmm

[reef zodiac]

Hera Crush Shot is definitely meta

[low ingot]

very cool

ok ill try that then

[reef zodiac]

Hera Phalanx Shot is funny because it can backstab from the front with Parting Shot

I’m struggling with 40 heat Hera tbh

[rapid forum]

you can?

[reef zodiac]

It was easy at 32, but it really feels rough at 40

[twin thistle]

yeah i used parting phalanx for 32 and 35 heat hera lol

[reef zodiac]

[raw herald]

Hera is tough at high heat

[rapid forum]

ok I'mma try that now

[raw herald]

Like Beowulf but unsafe and less damage

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

I can’t decide what aspect to do next at 40

It’s hard

I’ve done 11 so far

[twin thistle]

also without the buggy mirage shotness unless trippy

[low ingot]

y'all playing at 30 heat meanwhile i cant beat 5 heat with anything but chaos shield or achilles spear

[reef zodiac]

You’ll get there

[reef zodiac]

30 40

[low ingot]

getting 30 keys for the last part of mirror is tough

[raw herald]

A lot of it is practice

And yeah the mirror helps too

[low ingot]

it makes a big difference i assume being able to roll your boons

[raw herald]

Definitely

[twin thistle]

the last three talents are huge for build consistency

[reef zodiac]

I have 106 unused keys, and 1145 keys worth of gemstones

[low ingot]

do u take the rare boon one or the room one on the third last one?

rn im using the room one

[raw herald]

Room one

[twin thistle]

room

[low ingot]

yea okay

[raw herald]

It's waaaaaaay better

[low ingot]

i assume p status is also really great if you manage to get 2 curses

[raw herald]

It's alright

[twin thistle]

getting more rare boons doesnt matter much unless its hermes

[reef zodiac]

FF is better

[raw herald]

Family favourites is more consistent

[low ingot]

yea im using that one rn

[reef zodiac]

If I used all of my gemstones for keys, I’d literally have 1159 keys

[low ingot]

i have 5 keys

[raw herald]

I have 603

[twin thistle]

trade in ze gemstones

[reef zodiac]

Is 30 keys actually hard to get? Do you have Vanquisher’s Keep?

[raw herald]

And 124 nectar

[low ingot]

what is vanquishers keep

[raw herald]

33900 gems

[twin thistle]

gems from defeating bosses

[low ingot]

i dont

[reef zodiac]

I would have that but I always gift bouldy

[low ingot]

i thought its not worth

[raw herald]

I do

[low ingot]

is it worth?

[reef zodiac]

Prioritize buying that

[twin thistle]

yes

[low ingot]

i have the diamonds for but i was saving diamons for the pom on nectar one

[reef zodiac]

It’s the best source of gemstones by a lot

[low ingot]

i guess il take that one then

[twin thistle]

nectar isnt that common

[raw herald]

The reroll from key one is the best imo

[twin thistle]

yep

[reef zodiac]

For sure

[low ingot]

i dont have the reroll mirror tho

so its kinda

not worth rn

[raw herald]

It's still good

You can get 2-3 keys pretty consistently

[reef zodiac]

No it still does something. But rn it will only reroll doors which is kinda bad

[low ingot]

interesting

[reef zodiac]

Still, prioritize VK, which will give you a lot more gemstones for progression

[low ingot]

sure, i have the diamonds for it already

just buy it

[twin thistle]

also gemstones = decking out the house

[reef zodiac]

How many runs have you done?? That’s a really insane amount

[raw herald]

812 on my switch account

Around 200 resets on my PC but those are all speedruns

[reef zodiac]

Oh that’s a little less than double my number

I’m at around 450

[raw herald]

If you mean clears then I've done 330

Ish

[reef zodiac]

What’s the highest heat you’ve done for every aspect?

[raw herald]

Probably like 6

[reef zodiac]

I have 234

[reef zodiac]

Oh

You should try doing every aspect at 32 heat (or more if you’re brave)

It’s fun and gets you out of your comfort zone

[raw herald]

Yeah I just don't like fists and sword lmao

[reef zodiac]

Fists are kinda annoying

[raw herald]

What's your slowest aspect?

[reef zodiac]

Probably Guan Yu because I only have 4 clears with it

[raw herald]

I have 2 clears and 2 uses of zag fists

[reef zodiac]

And my 32 heat run barely didn’t time out

[reef zodiac]

That’s me but for Zag sword

[low ingot]

why 32 specifically

[raw herald]

Lmao

[low ingot]

is itt a specific

thing

[twin thistle]

cuz unlocks a skelly statue

[raw herald]

There's a reward in-game for it

[low ingot]

oh

[reef zodiac]

Yeah my best Guan Yu time is 19:44

[raw herald]

My slowest aspect is 9:58

[reef zodiac]

That by far my worst

[raw herald]

Again, zag fists

[low ingot]

thats still better than my best time

[reef zodiac]

Wtf

[low ingot]

um

[reef zodiac]

[raw herald]

Yeah I pushed for all aspects sub 10 a while back

[reef zodiac]

That’s so much more impressive than 32 heat

[raw herald]

It's different

[low ingot]

how do you even do it in 10 minutes

do u like pause all the time

[raw herald]

A lot of practice and luck

And yes, any decision I make I will pause

[reef zodiac]

My PB is 7:30 but my second place run is literally 9:49

That’s why I kept saying my PB is not replicable

Tbf, I’ve basically never chosen to grind speedruns

And I clearly play pretty fast since I apparently accidentally got the Chiron 40 heat wr (ofc I didn’t record it )

[low ingot]

thats a feelsbad

[reef zodiac]

Tbh it feels pretty cool that I binked a random wr while casually running 40 heat

I really like Dying Lament

Very interesting boon

Great for weapons like Hestia

It’s actually fantastic for Hestia tbh

[rapid forum]

dying lament is great

[reef zodiac]

Just got hit for 58 in one hit in a random Elysium room. Literally ended my run

Why is slugger so broken

[reef zodiac]

Would it be broken if Static Discharge was a prerequisite for Splitting Bolt?

[reef zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/886930015504191528/video0.mp4

Too many circles!

[deft mulch]

@reef zodiac i like to see the sigma warden!

continue your grindset

[reef zodiac]

Unholy “Sigma Warden” “Glizzy Hands” Pancake

[deft mulch]

lmao

he knows

[reef zodiac]

Big fan

[deft mulch]

same

respect

[reef zodiac]

🤝

[rapid forum]

dang, low tolerance + smoldering air + dio call is really good

[reef zodiac]

Curse of Nausea would be better

[rapid forum]

I suppose

but I didn't have ares

so I make do

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that would require 4 gods instead of 3

But yeah that sounds very strong

[stoic flame]

ayo whats up with beowulf

sometimes i load my cast in and it still does the not thick bull rush

but the cast thing still happens in the end

like if i do it in quick successions sometimes this happens

[low cradle]

In need of a bit of advice. How do you go about forming bonds with Olympians? ||I need to do it for the Queen's prophecy. I have given them all as much nectar as they'll take so I assume now I just need to progress dialogue by taking boons from them?||

[stoic flame]

no you need to give them ambrosia

[modern garnet]

Each God has their own condition that will let you give them ambrosia

Mostly you just gotta talk to them yeah

[low cradle]

ahh ok I haven't given any of them ambrosia yet

They all have 6 hearts and the next is locked so I'm assuming I now need to meet those conditions

[modern garnet]

Yeap

You can find their "favors" on the wiki

[stoic flame]

i just realised passion flare is more damage than both splash cast and athena cast

[low cradle]

Perfect, thank you

[stoic flame]

also can someone confirm that this is a thing that is supposed to happen

[modern garnet]

I think you gotta load it before you charge the attack to get the larger radius? Idk

[stoic flame]

i know that

im saying sometimes i load it and it does a normal bull rush but the cast still explodes in the end

maybe its my eyes playing tricks but i couldve sworn ive seen it happen

[low cradle]

honestly this game is all I've wanted to play since I bought it

best £20 I've spent in a while

[stoic flame]

this is true

ive bought 1 or 2 more games after hades

but i still play more hades than those games

lol

[rapid forum]

It's a cost effective measure

By playing hades, I save money that usually goes for buying new games

[stoic flame]

😎

i bought dead cells after hades but i still play hades more than dead cells

its just

more fun

[lone kernel]

Yeah, i got a ps5 in March and my Ps5 time and my hades time is about equivalent

On switch

[thorny knoll]

got my 3rd clear last night woo

also i seem to suck with the shield

[lone kernel]

based

[chrome wharf]

Try Zeus shield

[thorny knoll]

yeah? i'll check it out. i don't have much blood to spend

there's not a way to get spent blood back right?

[chrome wharf]

No

Though there are certain aspects that will unlock prophecies that reward some other premium currency so it's a rebate of sorts

[thorny knoll]

i'm tempted to convert some ambrosia to blood..i haven't found a use for it so far lol

[lone kernel]

You’ll regret that later lol

[thorny knoll]

figured as much

[chrome wharf]

You end up with excess of both anyway so no harm swapping a few

[reef zodiac]

Does Broken Spearpoint apply to lava damage?

[stoic flame]

are the hammer buffs multiplicative or additive with the boon buffs

and if they are multiplicative which one is applied first

the boon buff or the hammer buff

[last veldt]

I believe everything is additive

There's an online calculator somewhere for it (reddit I think). Someone decompiled the code IIRC.

[stoic flame]

yeah because multiplicative would be a bit too complicated

like if you have 2 boons which are multiplicative which one gets applied first? the first you picked or would there be an order? if it was the first you picked, the game would become so inconsistent.

[raw herald]

It wouldn't matter

3×2 is the same as 2×3

[thorny knoll]

wait so.. i cleared with the bow on 1 heat last night. can i clear with no heat w/ bow and still get blood rewards?

[stoic flame]

but suppose its a 100 base damage and you get a 20% buff first then a 30%
30% of 120 is different from 20% of 130 right?

[raw herald]

No because it would be 100×1.2×1.3

[craggy pumice]

no

you have to go up

[thorny knoll]

er i should clarify... i never cleared with the bow on no heat

you get blood for each clear for each weapon right?

[stoic flame]

okay yeah its the same

i calculate

d

meths 🗿

[raw herald]

Yeah 30% of 120 and 20% of 130 would be different values if they were additive buffs

[craggy pumice]

@thorny knoll not sure, you can check when you apply 0 heat if you get rewards or not before a run

[mint coral]

if you havent cleared 0 heat you can get its rewards

[lone kernel]

Yes, and as the heat goes up, you can get bounties again. If you do 2 heat though, beat Theseus and die to dad, then if you do 3 heat your boss rewards will be darkness x3 then the blood from dad. Then next run at 3, will be all bounties again

Does that make sense?

If you cleared on 1 heat, that’ll fill out the 0 heat bounties, so now run it back on 1 again for more bounties

[mint coral]

isnt 0 heat tracked appart from runs with heat?

[thorny knoll]

ahh okay gotcha. so just do whatever the heat bar tells me then and i should be good right

like so far the only weapon i cleared with 0 heat is the rail.. then from that point on i was just doing 1 heat runs

i'll have to mess around with it when i'm home later. just don't want to miss any easy items

[last veldt]

Everything is viable eventually.

[raw herald]

Shield maybe, but a lot of it is personal preference

[thorny knoll]

ranged weapons lol

[raw herald]

Maybe choose "piercing" hammers as they go through shields

[last veldt]

Use what works best for you and is most fun.

[thorny knoll]

yeah at first i just picked a weapon i was good at then got better w/ it til i cleared

fists do mad damage. i get hit so often tho so close range for me

[brisk trail]

anyone got a cool chaos shield victory screen

[polar marsh]

I escaped 10 times so now i need to collect lots of ambrosia for the olympians and others but i need to figure out how to unlock there last bit of hearts

[rain relic]

question, is there something i need to do before trying to get the favour for Meg done or is it just a random occurrence after beating the furies?

[lone kernel]

keep giving her nectar

once thats maxed

itll happen eventually

[rain relic]

already got her to 6 hearts so guess it's down to RNG before i get to do the thing >:)

[lone kernel]

pretty much yeah. she wont show up in the house if you lose to her in tartarus that run

but if youre at the level where you are farming favors, thats prob not an issue

[rain relic]

so don't do the thing i have never done before, gotcha

[lone kernel]

when i cranked up the heat, the worst part of it was meg becoming scary again lol

[rain relic]

honestly i kinda had the inverse reaction, EM 1 was the extra kick the fury fight needed imo

[lone kernel]

FO2 with LC4 and stubborn defiance

sweat

[rain relic]

anyways, i'm going to go heat a pizza now, be right back

[lone kernel]

based

enjoy

[thorny knoll]

how much heat are you heating that pizza with

[lone kernel]

69

[brisk trail]

just got my first blade victory 👍

[lone kernel]

Based

[brisk trail]

kinda crazy

[fathom moth]

could i have some extra blood pls

thanks

[lone kernel]

I wish I could give my excess blood away to other players lol

[rain relic]

i'm not sure what everyone's opinions on this are but i think Dionysus has the best status effect in the game

Hangover is just funny in concept

Murdering fools, including Hades, by giving them alcohol poisoning, what's not to love?

[stoic flame]

hangover is pretty pog

[rain relic]

oh thank gods, it's not just me

[chrome wharf]

Dionysus aid is only behind Zeus in DPS iirc
(and the routed 64 heat uses it)

[rain relic]

that feeling you get when your favourite status effect is used by speedrunners worldwide because it's so good:

[chrome wharf]

speedrun usually goes for Zeus because Jolted, and easier for Smouldering air. I think, I don't follow speedruns

[rain relic]

you quite literally make enemies punch drunk

[chrome wharf]

it's good. get Aphrodite's dash and Ares' special or vengeance, and get both their duos

this: #h1-victory-boasting message

you can also get Ares' revenge boon instead of the special, to avoid unlocking the Ares/Aphrodite Duo

[rain relic]

you know, funny story that happened to me the other day

i was doing a run, got to Hades, and he said "what will it take for you to stop this?"

[chrome wharf]

the one that gives doom to enemies when you take damage.

[rain relic]

and i said "it will take you getting out of my damned way" at the same time Zag said "it will take you getting out of my blasted way"

want to know my only real gripe with this game?

Shields are annoying

it makes the Thesius/Asterius fight and Elysium in general more annoying then they should be

[lone kernel]

yep, just use your own shield

or splash dash

[rain relic]

yeah i know, but they're still annoying

[lone kernel]

yeah, i feel ya haha

[rain relic]

plus, i never use Aegis on account of it making me fall asleep

[lone kernel]

elysium is scarier than dad fight sometimes

[rain relic]

facts

so as it turns out Speedrunners were not kidding when they say Zeus + Dionysus is the fastest way to kill stuff

just had my fastest Champions fight ever XD

it took me about 5 attempts to actually reach Hades and beat him

his Spin attack is easily my biggest weakness because i'm bad at timing dashes to dodge it

no i mean Thesius and Asterius

[lone kernel]

My first 32 heat shield was with lightning fog haha

Literally took fog to sell then scintillating feast in Tartarus so changed that plan haha

[rain relic]

i'm still only on 3 heat personally

trying to farm all of the currencies as i go

[twin thistle]

30 is pretty average from what ive heard

wouldnt call that awful

[lone kernel]

Keep doing what you’re doing, that’s the idea haha you’ll eventually finish with all defiances and two acorn charges left then you can crank up heat for more challenge

I’m a sweaty try hard because I played too much hades haha

[rain relic]

acorn charges?

[lone kernel]

The acorn keepsake from Eurydice

[rain relic]

ohhhhh

i haven't quite gotten all the keepsakes yet so i had no clue

[twin thistle]

its the recommended keepsake for the hades fight and higher heat champions

[lone kernel]

No worries, but nectar Eurydice the next time u see her and level that one up

Eurydice Charon Hypnos and the gods keepsakes are prob the most important

[rain relic]

eh, i like rocking Than's one honestly

can't exactly disagree with more damage

[lone kernel]

Whatever works for ya

That’s the beauty of this game

Do whatever you want

You can make it work

[rain relic]

tbh neither did i, i just did it on reflex

i just got Athena's legendary blessing from the Styx tunnels

[twin thistle]

lol my main source of nectar is probably dionysus

[brisk trail]

Ah finally did em4

[rain relic]

i have insane DPS because of Zeus and Dionysus and now i have a regenerating shield

[rain relic]

Dionysus is best god tbh, good boons, very good status effect, and free nectar

[twin thistle]

tbh he has kinda fallen off for me

[rain relic]

well then, i just got the "Thorn of Thanatos" achivement

30% increased damage from one trinket

this run is so stacked in my favour it's not even funny XD

[heady cypress]

Does anybody know if you can play hades with a keyboard on ps4?

[stoic flame]

ive been consistently losing a dd to meg and the furies these days

actually concerned at this point

[stoic flame]

i think you can

[heady cypress]

How

[stoic flame]

like

attach it

lol

[heady cypress]

Doesnt work

Can't do anything

[stoic flame]

😔

[reef zodiac]

Imagine playing without LC4 and SD

[heady cypress]

Can't change keybinds either

[stoic flame]

cant

[reef zodiac]

Can’t?

[stoic flame]

i was doing em4

[reef zodiac]

And?

[stoic flame]

no lc4 with em4 💀

i need my

4 dds

[heady cypress]

Lost one to alecto without em but I still managed to escape

[stoic flame]

and patroclus has decided to never meet me again

[heady cypress]

Same

[stoic flame]

havent seen the man for like 20 runs now

[heady cypress]

He's ignoring us when we need him the most

[stoic flame]

😔

[reef zodiac]

Patroclus is busy saving my 40 heat runs

Touch of Styx Dark

[heady cypress]

Daddy ending all of my runs

Or the champs

[reef zodiac]

I mean yeah those are the two hardest parts

Unless it’s BP2 HL5 JS2+. Then normal elysium rooms may be harder

[heady cypress]

Btw i almost cried after I finished my 4th run/win and heard orpheus singing the lament of orpheus

It's so good

[heady cypress]

Wtf is bp2hl5js2

[reef zodiac]

Pacts

[heady cypress]

Normal elysium is definitely pretty hard with all these shield guys and the spear bois with no windup at all

[heady cypress]

Idk the abbreviations for all of them

[reef zodiac]

Benefits Package

[heady cypress]

Em mm are the only ones lol

[reef zodiac]

Hard Labor

Jury Summons

[twin thistle]

smh heatless spear dudes are slow compared to fo2 speeders

[reef zodiac]

Literally more than twice their regular speed

[heady cypress]

Fo2 speeders?

[reef zodiac]

Yes

[heady cypress]

Are speeders the cars

Fo is forced overtime right

[reef zodiac]

[heady cypress]

Zote

Remove him

Now

[reef zodiac]

Speeder is a benefit

From BP

[twin thistle]

bp = benefits package = gives armored dudes buffs

like extra speed

[reef zodiac]

+50%

I think it’s multiplicative with FO

[heady cypress]

I have 3 tblood

Should I buy a certain aspect

[reef zodiac]

Idk man

[heady cypress]

Can't get the hidden ones except for guan yu

[reef zodiac]

That’s for you to decide

[heady cypress]

I could get hestia

But I still need to finish a spear and a shield run

So one for these two would be better wouldn't it

[reef zodiac]

[twin thistle]

guan yu is ew

achilles probably best spear aspect

[heady cypress]

I thought it's a risky weapon with basically no reward

[twin thistle]

meme beams

[heady cypress]

Aspect*

[reef zodiac]

Achilles is great

[reef zodiac]

Guan Yu? Yeah pretty much

[heady cypress]

I bought hades I regret it for some reason

[reef zodiac]

Hades spear is so bad

[twin thistle]

guan yu is like zag bow but you cut your hp in half and get a spear throw thats only good if you get charged skewer

[reef zodiac]

Literally my least favorite aspect in the game

[twin thistle]

and then its still worse than zag bow cuz zag bow = ez crits

and better hammers

[heady cypress]

Spear bow and shield are generally boring (for me)

Ik that they can be fun

But I didn't play them that much so idk the fun builds

[reef zodiac]

Bow shield and rail are definitely better than fists sword and spear

[twin thistle]

bow gang

[reef zodiac]

I did 45 heat with Rama I’m definitely bow gang

[heady cypress]

You basically finish the run as soon as you get the full auto shooting hammer and the hammer that decreases your range but gives you a 2nd arrow

[twin thistle]

eh i dont like flurry shot

[reef zodiac]

[heady cypress]

These 2 hammers were the reason why I didn't use my special despite playing chiron

[reef zodiac]

Twin Shot Perfect Shot

Forget flurry shot

[heady cypress]

Nooo

[reef zodiac]

I’m not sure how good it is but it’s definitely not great

[twin thistle]

flurry shot doesnt really benefit dash striking

[heady cypress]

I always mess up the timing for it even tho I do a couple of shots on skelly to practice the timing before I start a run

[twin thistle]

so feels eh

perfect shot helps with timing

[reef zodiac]

A couple? It shouldn’t be too hard to get the muscle memory down so you can do 20+ dash strike power shots in a row

[heady cypress]

It felt like a safe build tho survived daddy with only 1 dd(0heat tho) but I'm bad with the bow and daddy is hard so ig thats still somewhat cool

[brisk trail]

Smh em4 Hades doesn't even give an achievement

[heady cypress]

How much dmg does a perfect shot if you don't have any boons(if you shoot at skelly)

[reef zodiac]

That’s anecdotal. I’m looking for info from experienced players who have done higher heat runs with and without it

[reef zodiac]

70 I think?

From a dash strike

[heady cypress]

I'm doing 50 and 75

Smth between these two

[reef zodiac]

Which is the only thing you should go for

[reef zodiac]

Dash striking?

[heady cypress]

Oh

I just realized that the dash strikes deal less dmg

[reef zodiac]

Only dash strike

[heady cypress]

And I'm spamming them

[reef zodiac]

It’s way faster

[heady cypress]

I hitting everything perfect

[twin thistle]

dash strikes are still way better

[reef zodiac]

They charge faster

[twin thistle]

theyre faster, and youre dashing

aka not sitting in one place and getting mauled

[reef zodiac]

Great! That means you have the timing down. That’s the first and only step to playing Zag bow

[heady cypress]

Just realized how dumb this sentence sounds lol tell me how to English

[twin thistle]

now grab artemis attack and heart rend and do them big crits

[heady cypress]

Can i

Use the gun instead

And get the rocket hammer?

[reef zodiac]

Wym

I mean sure rocket bomb is good

It’s definitely not Zag bow which is what we were talking about, but ok

[heady cypress]

Crit rockets are pretty strong aren't they

There's another hammer which gives you 3 rockets

[twin thistle]

well rail doesnt have 15% innate crit

[reef zodiac]

Sure? I prefer Heartbreak Flourish

[reef zodiac]

I prefer cluster bomb

[heady cypress]

Spamming them got me through the daddy fight once and I'm convinced it would accomplish That again

[reef zodiac]

5x damage, and it’s instant

[twin thistle]

zag bow https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/886864385732128808/733a666c-cc36-43f9-9047-020b1c5fb762_001.mp4

[heady cypress]

What's that

[heady cypress]

I said this tho

[heady cypress]

^

[reef zodiac]

When

[heady cypress]

Changed the topic

[reef zodiac]

Oh

[twin thistle]

makes rail shoots 5 bombs at a time in a spread

[reef zodiac]

Right but you said “instead”, which made me think you weren’t fully changing the topic

[heady cypress]

Uhh

Doesnt instead mean that I'm changing the topic too

Cuz im suggesting sumn else

Idk that much about talking to ppl lmao discord is only place I'm going to

[reef zodiac]

No because I thought you were saying “I’ve mastered power shots. You think I should play Zag bow? How about rail instead.”

Instead of “ok moving on, I’m gonna try rail with rocket bomb”

[heady cypress]

This became really confusing really fast

[reef zodiac]

By saying instead, I thought you were connecting your statement to our conversation

[heady cypress]

I don't think while speaking let's just forget about that and go back to this beautiful game which we're playing here

[reef zodiac]

Mkay

[heady cypress]

I'll try do an Achilles run before doing smth else now

Is there anything i should try to get except for flurry jab

[stoic flame]

the long range one?

[heady cypress]

The whut?

[lone kernel]

Extending jab

[stoic flame]

the hammer which makes

yes

[lone kernel]

If you’re going attack

If you’re relying on cast, still helps tho

Sea storm flurry jab Achilles was super based

[heady cypress]

I'm never building around a cast

I always forget to use it

[twin thistle]

meme beam tho

[heady cypress]

I feel bad for Meg she couldn't even hit me

[reef zodiac]

Wait why

Extending jab feels like such a worthless hammer

The attack already has so much range

Am I wrong here? Because EJ feels like a terrible hammer in every situation

[signal aspen]

once you get flurry jab the second hammer doesnt matter

extending jab is eh

[reef zodiac]

That’s true

[reef zodiac]

Eh as in most of the hammers for spear aren’t great but this one at least does something or eh as in this hammer really doesn’t do anything noticeable and just has no purpose

[signal aspen]

it does something

[reef zodiac]

Alright

[lone kernel]

its fun

big range

[reef zodiac]

But

[lone kernel]

and i mean sure, its not required

[reef zodiac]

You already have so much range

[lone kernel]

but it def is more comfortable in elysium

[reef zodiac]

Really?

[lone kernel]

yeah

[reef zodiac]

I feel like it’s really bad

[raw herald]

It is probably the best second hammer on Achilles but that's not a hard bar to reach

[reef zodiac]

That’s surprising though

[raw herald]

What else have you got

Triple jab?

[reef zodiac]

But yeah Achilles has one good hammer and the rest are bad

[reef zodiac]

Eww

[raw herald]

And everything else is garbo

[reef zodiac]

Breaching Skewer? For some extra armor damage when you’re rushing? Idk man they all suck so much

[raw herald]

Additive increases to small numbers aren't good

[reef zodiac]

Oh right

[raw herald]

Unless the additive increases are huge like breaching cross

[reef zodiac]

It’s giving you like 100 armor damage

[raw herald]

And you shouldnt be spamming special anyway, especially not for damage

[reef zodiac]

Ofc not

I already feel like spear doesn’t need the amount of range that it has

It can attack nearly as far as the rail

[twin thistle]

i like how with sniper shot on the bow you basically have to be shooting off screen

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s atrocious

[lone kernel]

Lebron James still practices

[twin thistle]

there should be a bow hammer that increases damage for medium distance

[lone kernel]

Hahahaha

[reef zodiac]

That analogy makes no sense here

[lone kernel]

But yeah if you are running Achilles, no reason to prioritize a second hammer over a boon

Do better what you’re already good at

Spear has longer range, now it’s better

[reef zodiac]

But what I mean is that we literally don’t use that range because it’s excessive

It’s just like giving Zag rail even more ammo

[lone kernel]

Eh, 40 percent for tippers

not insignificant if you’re focusing flurry jab

[raw herald]

It's better for deadly strike

[reef zodiac]

That only ends up being like 10 extra damage

And probably doesn’t apply to dash strikes

[twin thistle]

basically its just better than the alternatives

[reef zodiac]

I guess

Still not good enough to tell someone to look for

[lone kernel]

I mean if it’s a hammer or a boon, go boon

After getting flurry

But it’s not crap

I like starting Achilles w Artemis then taking natural Demeter or ares for cast, it’s def useful then

some across the room crits waiting for meme beam to recharge

[reef zodiac]

Fair enough

[lone kernel]

In your case I think the perfect is the enemy of the good

Chain shot Rama discussion earlier, this

If you get three meh hammers, try em

They may not suck

[reef zodiac]

To be clear, I use chain shot

[reef zodiac]

I do

And I die

It’s literally 45 heat

[lone kernel]

Oh then seed your runs haha

[reef zodiac]

I don’t need to do that

[lone kernel]

But for 45 on Achilles, are you gonna focus cast or attack

[reef zodiac]

Flurry jab probably

[raw herald]

For Achilles 45, I'd probably cry

[reef zodiac]

But I double I’ll go past 40 with Achilles

My 40 heat Achilles time was pretty good though

[raw herald]

Probably phalanx shot for me

[reef zodiac]

I mean it wasn’t amazing

But 12:19 is pretty decent

[lone kernel]

That is, good job

[reef zodiac]

It’s I believe within a minute of 40 heat Achilles wr

But I could be wrong on that

[heady cypress]

Still didn't get flurry jab I'm in styx now

[lone kernel]

I need my damn controller fixed 😦 can’t really do 40

[heady cypress]

Is it possible to have 3 hammers?

[lone kernel]

You don’t need it to win

[reef zodiac]

Anvil

[lone kernel]

2 hammers, then anvil in Styx will replace one hammer with two other random ones

[heady cypress]

There's no anvil in the shop;-;

[lone kernel]

So yes, but you won’t get to choose them

then nope

you’re gonna have to spin attack haha

[twin thistle]

anvil is usually meh

unless both of your hammers suck

tho you can also save scum

[lone kernel]

lol I got a hammer once that gave me both closer and rocket bombs on Eris

thought I was boned

I won haha

Aspect of brrrrrt

[twin thistle]

why didnt you think cluster rockets was a good thing

[lone kernel]

Oh prior to getting cluster rockets

I was like, I need a miracle

Bought the anvil

Got my miracle haha

[twin thistle]

ah okay

[heady cypress]

No I got a hammer with 3 attack things

Aoe dmg on daddy totally worth it

[lone kernel]

Yeet

I’m about to do 32 Rama and start coin purse, Yooo

Yolo

[reef zodiac]

Why coin purse

Why not control your god pool

[raw herald]

Fun

I do pom blossom Beowulf runs sometimes

Then AP1 crosses out the cast

[reef zodiac]

That’s what you get

[lone kernel]

For the lulz

[reef zodiac]

Have you done 32 heat Rama before?

[hollow magnet]

I've come back to this game after a little bit, and I gotta say wow, does it get easier after beating Hades once

It just all sorta clicks and now I've gotten to Hades pretty consistently with every weapon

I still haven't done any big heats or Middle Management yet though so I guess we'll see

[lone kernel]

40

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

[lone kernel]

If I have a Demeter keepsake, and I take this chaos gate instead of dem, will I lose the chance to see her again

My meme beam Rama needs crystal clarity still

[reef zodiac]

Not necessarily

[lone kernel]

Eh I already have fully loaded and Stygian, screw it, granny im comin

[twin thistle]

the god keepsake guarantee is only lost if you actually go into a demeter room aint it

[mint coral]

Yeah bonus is lost once you actually pick the boon

[twin thistle]

like even if i buy their boon from charon it still shows the charge under the keepsake

[mint coral]

Tho i remember i skipped artemis in aspho once even with keepsake

[reef zodiac]

If you wait too long, you can just not get the god in the region though. And then your keepsake was wasted

[stoic flame]

does it lose its effect?

it shouldn't I think

[plucky jay]

well gentlemen and lady I have beaten (sort of) hades

good game all in all

probs will go play supergiants other games

[signal aspen]

the keepsake keeps its effect

as long as there is a 1 under the keepsake then it is still working

[lone kernel]

Hunter instinct pressure points and meme beam is pretty based

just sayin

[reef zodiac]

What’s the highest possible number of chambers you can see in one run? Assuming perfect RNG for it

Chamber 13, 24, and 37 chaos (or Erebus)

Max styx rooms

What is the max Styx rooms? 25?

[crisp breach]

yo can anyone dm me a speed running discord? tryna start pushing sub tens my records an 11:47

[heady cypress]

I'm going to do a run which will only be done to kill the tiny vermin(I need it for an achievement, it gives 3 titanblood) any recommendations on how to do it?

[reef zodiac]

Tiny vermin isn’t that hard

[crisp breach]

the tiny vermin is just rng i think. just do the boss rooms first in styx

[reef zodiac]

Just play normally until you find it, then kill it

[lone kernel]

https://discord.gg/adMrFSqD

[heady cypress]

I never go into the boss rooms lol

I'm way too scared of them

[reef zodiac]

What? Why

[lone kernel]

You’ll find it in the skull rooms

[reef zodiac]

They’re way faster and easier imo

[crisp breach]

thanks

[reef zodiac]

The normal rooms are so long with so many enemies

I only take boss rooms and get frustrated when I have to take normal rooms

Plus the rewards are way better for boss rooms

Always take boss rooms in Styx

[lone kernel]

If there’s a boon you need take that but otherwise yeah

50 health, $200, rare boon, all pretty based options

[reef zodiac]

3 waves of armored enemies is much harder than one big armored enemy imo

Also takes much more time

Which is annoying

[lone kernel]

If you’re lower on your tight deadline, boss rooms are faster unless you get vermined

I take what I need tbh

[crisp breach]

ye specially if u still got megs left at styx i usually got like 2 the boss rooms go so fast

just one big boy

[lone kernel]

based

[reef zodiac]

I literally always take boss chambers first. The only time I don’t is if I’m desperate for a DD from Athena, and she’s only on a normal room. But even then, I have to be really up on time

[plucky latch]

That closeup is not doing Meg any justice

[heady cypress]

I'll only choose boss rooms in this run

[lone kernel]

Unless there’s a boon in a normal chamber that you need

[heady cypress]

Btw i finished tartaros without losing any dd's and having over 500 gold and I got flurry jab

[lone kernel]

Based

Hourglass time?

[heady cypress]

4:22

Its something

[reef zodiac]

Only choose them always

[heady cypress]

I wanted to try the strat out

That's why I said in this run

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

[heady cypress]

Btw which keepsake should I use for asphodel

Already used arty

[reef zodiac]

Idk

[heady cypress]

Aphro?

[reef zodiac]

I always want Athena for Asphodel but that’s just because I use SD (so I want extra DDs) and want Divine Dash (since it’s 40 heat)

Wait you got flurry jab

What attack boon?

[heady cypress]

Yes

[heady cypress]

Arty

[reef zodiac]

Because Zeus is the attack boon you want

[heady cypress]

Why

[reef zodiac]

Base damage is bad for spear

[heady cypress]

I thought doing a lot of attacks peed works Good with crits

[lone kernel]

Hourglass

[heady cypress]

But it works doesn't it

[lone kernel]

Charon keepsake

Since you have mad cash

[reef zodiac]

Not as well as Zeus does?

[lone kernel]

Buy out the well, roll, buy it out again

maybe save for elysium

But you said you had mad cash

[heady cypress]

But Im planning to burn it for boons

[reef zodiac]

Attack speed doesn’t do much because you want to be dash striking a lot

[heady cypress]

Getting strong asap is good isn't it

[signal aspen]

What's your build like?

[heady cypress]

With spear?

[lone kernel]

Give us some details

Build, heat, etc

[reef zodiac]

With flurry jab, but yeah spear in general

[lone kernel]

Hourglass is super based tho

If you get bonus attack or touch of Styx or whatever

[reef zodiac]

Pretty much every weapon wants to spam dash strikes except shield

[heady cypress]

Achilles
Arty attack
Arty cast
Aphro call
Flurry jab

[lone kernel]

Or if no LC, hydralite w hourglass is like, you can snooze this whole biome lol

[signal aspen]

Conch shell for tidal dash

[reef zodiac]

Oh true

[lone kernel]

Athena dash, splash dash or hourglass

[heady cypress]

?

[lone kernel]

Poseidon keepsake

[signal aspen]

Poseidon keepsake for Poseidon dash

[reef zodiac]

wym ?

[heady cypress]

Ohhh

[lone kernel]

Whats in the well of Charon

[heady cypress]

Idk the names of the keepsakes im german

[signal aspen]

Oh lol

[reef zodiac]

Lando chill about the well

[heady cypress]

Fr tho

[lone kernel]

nope

hourglass best keepsake

[heady cypress]

I need boons not super op dmg for about 2 enemies

[signal aspen]

But the well is so based tho

[heady cypress]

Noooo

[reef zodiac]

Hourglass is great

But Tidal Dash is amazing on FJ Achilles

[lone kernel]

It’ll be super op damage for the next like, two biomes

[heady cypress]

What exactly is the effect of tidal dash

As I said idk any of the names lol

[lone kernel]

but yeah splash dash solid

[signal aspen]

All flurry jab achilles runs start with tidal dash

[lone kernel]

It’s Poseidon dash, knocks dudes away, hits hard

[reef zodiac]

Hits extremely hard

[lone kernel]

You can literally just dash into small enemies and if they hit a wall they die

[heady cypress]

Ohhh the Super op 70dmg thing?

[reef zodiac]

Like absurdly hard

[lone kernel]

Take breaking wave next

[reef zodiac]

Yup

[lone kernel]

Epic with one Pom gets to 70 I think

[heady cypress]

I'll go with poseidon then

[lone kernel]

Then if you add breaking wave that’ll become like, 200

[reef zodiac]

270

[lone kernel]

Plus now you have access to mirage shot

270 for both or just for wave?

[heady cypress]

Whot

[reef zodiac]

Both lol

[heady cypress]

300 by dashing?

That would be great with Hermes dashes wouldn't it

[raw herald]

Yep

[lone kernel]

Poseidon dash super based

[raw herald]

And rush delivery

[lone kernel]

not sure how it ranks compared to the well and meme beam Rama

[raw herald]

I don't think it's based at all

It's a very popular opinion that Poseidon dash is good

[reef zodiac]

Based on what

[lone kernel]

oh damn, hot takes today

[signal aspen]

Damn that's kinda based

[lone kernel]

someone saying Poseidon dash is bad is pretty based ngl

I disagree, but I respect it

[reef zodiac]

He didn’t say that

[raw herald]

Kinda fun AND poggers

[lone kernel]

If you knock bad guys into walls, that’s more damage too

[signal aspen]

No that heals the enemy

[lone kernel]

oh yeah that’s right

[reef zodiac]

Especially with based and goated tier 2 boons from Poseidon

[heady cypress]

:D

Got the dash in the first room

It's epic

[lone kernel]

Pom it like once or twice

And your dps just doubled lol

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s definitely the best Pom target

[lone kernel]

Ok I accept that Poseidon was a better call than hourglass there lol

[signal aspen]

That's kinda based, poggers, AND goated

[lone kernel]

I need a based emoji

[heady cypress]

Theres a pom room right next to it

[lone kernel]

Based

[heady cypress]

Jesus

*rngesus

Just got the sweet nectar duo boon

[signal aspen]

Nice

[lone kernel]

Yeet

[heady cypress]

800coins btw

[signal aspen]

Take hourglass

It's kinda based

[lone kernel]

If you have 300 by elysium hourglsss worth it

Kinda based? It’s almost as based as meme beam Rama

[heady cypress]

I also got the barrier thing from poseidon

[signal aspen]

Ok but what about raME?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/659820450297282585/884497060659875890/Screenshot_448.png

[lone kernel]

Man I had all the prerequisites but the last Athena boon in play was too expensive

[signal aspen]

Nice

[lone kernel]

woulda been super based to get that meme beam death engine and ME just because

[heady cypress]

Am so grateful

My build turned out way too good

The hydra heads died in 2 dashes

[lone kernel]

Hell yeah

[signal aspen]

Nice

[heady cypress]

Tooth or acorn keepsake for elysium?

[signal aspen]

Take whatever you want

It doesn't really matter tbh

[lone kernel]

Hourglass

[signal aspen]

You're just gonna destroy everything

[heady cypress]

NOOO

I'll go with the acorn then

I can't rely too much on skelly

He has done enough for me

[lone kernel]

Skelly better when running stubborn, his defiance gets tacked on to the end not the first ones

[reef zodiac]

Acorn is better

[reef zodiac]

Wtf?

That’s such a weird build

[lone kernel]

I can see skelly for elysium and acorn for Styx if youre terrified of the possibility of an asterius fight while running stubborn

That build is super based

[heady cypress]

What's the boons which deals dmg by pushing enemies into walls called

[burnt breach]

wave pounding?

[heady cypress]

Cuz I can pom that thing and it'd deal 136% more dmg seems worth it

[heady cypress]

Idk

[burnt breach]

I think the one you're talking about is breaking wave

[heady cypress]

Nice got a hammer

Is the dash attack upgrade worth shortening the dash?

[heady cypress]

I think that's it

[lone kernel]

It’ll throw you off - it’s amazing with artemis dash, but it will cause you to get hit by things that you would have dodged

If you did okay when you took chaos boons that shorten dash, it’s cool, but it will be an adjustment and a likely hades spear to the back you thought you had avoided

[heady cypress]

Reached styx have 3 dd's

[brisk trail]

didn't realize there was no cussing

huh

[lone kernel]

Yeah you’re gonna win

[brisk trail]

it's only been one chamber and thanks to Poseidon's dash my run is already chaotic

[lone kernel]

Even without the ⌛️

Poseidon dash gud

[signal aspen]

It's a poggers build

[brisk trail]

Poseidon dash is op

how am I supposed to substitute for athena dash though

[lone kernel]

Bad guys can’t hit you if you knocked them into the wall

ez

[brisk trail]

there's no walls in asphodel

only lava then wall

[lone kernel]

Push em in the lava then

[heady cypress]

I'm in chamber 69

[lone kernel]

based

[heady cypress]

Alright it's time for daddy

And for sleep lmao it's close to 1am

[lone kernel]

Kill dad first then sleep

homies about to get hit with one more run syndrome

[robust sapphire]

I only have 4 more trophies for the plat 😉

(5 if you include the trophy for the plat)

[lone kernel]

I just finished my last prophecy like five min ago

[heady cypress]

The short dash almost killed me

It stressed me so much

Anyways good night it was nice to talk to mommy again thanks for carrying my build

[lone kernel]

For sure buddy happy to help

hourglass is based, but it isn’t necessary to win

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877375727383760948/887108573698613248/unknown.png

I just tore through hydra

if anyone can tell me how i did that please do

[lone kernel]

Splash dash

[mint coral]

got both crystal clarity and mirage shot before elysium, now watch how i dont get glaciar glare

[lone kernel]

That’s how lol

[last veldt]

Are you getting the 2.5% per god boost? You have 4 there.

[lone kernel]

Also you’re prob improving at the game

[last veldt]

That too

[brisk trail]

I'm getting to hades consistently

[brisk trail]

good job

[last veldt]

Yeah, I went through that phase. And then when I finally beat him it was with 2 DDs remaining. It felt easy!

[mint coral]

called it no glaciar glare

anyways time to kill super dad with beams

[brisk trail]

I got my first clear

[brisk trail]

congrats!

I'm shaking

ill explain what em is

now I'm shaking and crying

[brisk trail]

yes yes

fun fact zag's bed shakes violently when you interact with it

[mint coral]

35 heat fail cause i cant manage bow dudes to save my life

[chilly drum]

Dashc

[void cedar]

for the epilogue you dont have to max all the olympians out

its complete rng i think

[mint coral]

you need to max out 6 out of the 8

[granite ether]

Demeter counts as being maxed at the heart lock though.

[brisk trail]

I'm so far in the game so fast the dialouge is dragging behind

[thorny knoll]

4th and 5th clears were back to back f yeah! Think I'm getting the hang of it haha

[brisk trail]

they're only now talking about me beating hydra

[mint coral]

my 2nd file got to the credits faster than achilles convo about zag escaping for the first time lmao

[brisk trail]

lmao

wait there's credits?

[mint coral]

ye

[brisk trail]

aight time to play the game some more to find them

[mint coral]

have fun killing dad

[brisk trail]

probably gotta be the thing where I beat hades 9 more times

nobody:
zag: kills dad over family fued multiple times

I still love how zag's bed shakes violently when I spam interact

[mint coral]

it does?

[brisk trail]

yup

[mint coral]

oh it does lmao, amazing

[brisk trail]

skelly is missing for some odd reason

not anymore

[twin thistle]

most furniture does that

[mint coral]

lightning rod with other zeus boons is fun

[fathom moth]

guys dont google foongus evolution

that stuffs messed up fr

[brisk trail]

"you have a hundred years and not a moment more" bro I wish I can live that long, I feel like orpheus got a deal on that one

[haughty flame]

Do you just need to beat it 10 times to get the true ending? I just got in Hades bedroom & saw his picture of Persephone on the nightstand

[mint coral]

yeah 10 times in total

[haughty flame]

& then I can unlock companions too? Nyx won't give me the quest or whatever no matter how much I talk to her

[mint coral]

unlocking companions isnt tied to the credits

[haughty flame]

Oh ok

[mint coral]

for companions you need to give ambrosia to certain characters

[brisk trail]

skelly asked me to kill him

I don't know if I want to

[twin thistle]

do you wanna know what happens if you kill him

[brisk trail]

no

[twin thistle]

kk

[mint coral]

i love winter harvest

is a decent legendary but the effect on bosses looks so good

[twin thistle]

i should probably get that and finish the prophecy

[brisk trail]

LOL I got to Duo boons with one boon

imagine

[lone kernel]

Based

[fathom moth]

might want to spoiler that

[haughty flame]

How I'm sorry

[mint coral]

|| at both start and end of the sentence (tho spoiler marks are not needed in this channel)

[twin thistle]

yeah spoilers are fine in this channel

[lone kernel]

That’s only required in the new players channel@

[lone kernel]

Winter harvest makes granny trash talk dad, that’s legendary in its own right

[chrome wharf]

She trash talks any boss she kills actually, most people just only see dad because it usually does take that long to get the legendary

[finite solar]

Bruh I decided to play Hades for the first time in a long ass time cause I’ve been busy with college and work

My first run I’m playing with King Arthur’s sword on a heat run

I get epic dodge on my feet epic dodge slash on my sword Dionysus special rare & Demeters lazer beams rare

I’m chilling basically invincible then I go into Charons shop I buy the usually stuff and I see this loot bag & I don’t have enough money and I don’t know what it is but it allows me to take it

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-sad-flaque-alone-gif-13147324

Despair.

I was fighting for my life man

WHY MY BOY CHARON DO ME LIKE THAT AFTER ALL THAT NECTAR & AMBROSIA I GAVE HIM

Even though it was a funny encounter I sadly died cause 1st time and my kit was too slow ig

Hope this made someone laugh though

[digital quartz]

There is a boss fight for charon

You spoiling...

[high island]

Well, the channel description says "All spoilers welcome!"

There's #h1-for-new-players if you want to avoid spoilers.

[lone kernel]

charon fight is a tough one haha

great gif tho

[blazing spindle]

hey whats the update for?

[high island]

If there are no patch notes, it's just bug fixes.

[blazing spindle]

oh

good to know ty

[high island]

Sure.

[marsh ore]

Wait this can happen?!?

[modern garnet]

Omg that was months ago I wrote that

Yeah after you beat him 9 times

[marsh ore]

Hmm you don't have to fight him again after that?

[modern garnet]

nah it's just one time he lets ya through

[marsh ore]

Oh icic

[forest falcon]

Charon is really easy to me with bow and rail but melee weapons

With melee he's impossible

[modern garnet]

because of the big sweep attacks?

[reef zodiac]

Easy? I mean he still does like 50 damage a swing and has 16,500 health

[forest falcon]

Well I'm not newr him most of the time with the bow or rail

He destroys me when I'm using any other weapon

Not that i don't take damsge from him at all

Still get slapped with the oar at least once

[reef zodiac]

Getting slapped by the oar even once probably means losing your DD, depending on your heat

[vapid narwhal]

45 damage per hit before HL, so you can instantly lose like 90HP if you didnt react to the starting animation of the oar

and that in Tartarus probably means your DD is gone

[forest falcon]

Well i don't play really high heat yet do

My highest is 15

[frigid dove]

just when I think this game cant surprise me anymore

a tiny vermin appears

that gave me a good laugh

[reef zodiac]

Wait it hits twice?

[vapid narwhal]

two swipes

[last veldt]

Yeah but they are telegraphed very clearly.

[reef zodiac]

Oh right

[glass salmon]

I am looking for a stone age dinosaur. Are there any here?

[finite solar]

It really was hard as hell

[reef zodiac]

[forest falcon]

How does rush delivery work

I'm kinda confused by it

[rapid forum]

you mean by how it works with hyper sprint or in general?

you get bonus damage based on your bonus movement speed

say if you have 20% bonus movement speed, with rush delivery you get 20% bonus damage

rush delivery depends on rarity, but even on common it's pretty good

[forest falcon]

Yeah seems good