#h1-discussion

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short glen
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yeah that

stone fog
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you can display blocked messages

short glen
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Yes

robust scaffold
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which takes a while

south lagoon
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ok but why are you doing that

granite ether
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"so long" my bad

robust scaffold
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other ppl want to reach high heat

granite ether
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I can read I swear

stone fog
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I'm saying people play this game for many hours

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I wasn't sure if I was missing something

short glen
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It's weird how fractal says this after joining the server seemingly just to complain about the game

manic bobcat
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I hated Dead Cells but others love it. Just move on my guy, maybe you can work on something else, like your attitude, for example.

stone fog
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like maybe there is more content that is hiding behind a curtain or something

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no actually I was asking a question

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then people started insulting me

manic bobcat
narrow hemlock
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there is a lot of content, but if you prefer gameplay over narrative, then you're going to feel it lacking. supergiant is most well known for their narrative strengths.

stone fog
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oh bummer

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I skip all the dialogue

short glen
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I cannot remember anyone insulting this person

stone fog
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so Idk anything about the story

south lagoon
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if u skip the dialogue you are missing the content ya

narrow hemlock
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alright enough talking about insults and such, move on

manic bobcat
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then maybe Hades isn't for you

robust scaffold
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i like the gameplay quite a bit too

soft echo
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Yeah like a good 40% of the game is gonna be in dialogue and story

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(I'm such a slow typer my messages are always so outdated lol)

manic bobcat
stone fog
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man that's a bummer

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that seems kinda expensive then

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$20 for an hour long game

south lagoon
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it's rly not

robust scaffold
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do u know what rougelikes are

manic bobcat
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that's better value than a movie

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by 7 times

stone fog
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yes but the gameplay is only like an hour worth

south lagoon
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i think that if you avoid narrative-driven games you aren't in a good position to judge like. a normal price. for narrative-driven games

stone fog
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I like narrative in games with good writing

south lagoon
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you are missing the content. you arent just playing for the gameplay

manic bobcat
robust scaffold
manic bobcat
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xD

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I think you are looking for trouble squirtnya

narrow hemlock
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i've got like 400 hours in the game, i got more than my money's worth. if you think the price tag is too hefty for what it offers, then the game probably isn't for you

robust scaffold
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wait u skip the dialogue but u say like narratives

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i dont understand

stone fog
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@robust scaffold Isaac has way, way more content though

south lagoon
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like when you are paying for the game you're also paying for all the full voice acted lines you're skipping straight over lol

granite ether
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Isaac has also been in development for the better half of a decade

stone fog
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I mean I didn't realize random small talk was relevant so I skip it

robust scaffold
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content is irrelevant imo

narrow hemlock
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issac also doesnt have much of a story besides absolute bare bones. hades is a fully fleshed out world. so like. its comparing apples and oranges, other than sharing a genre

manic bobcat
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so in 15 hours you managed to:

  1. skipped dialogue
  2. play one hour of gameplay
soft echo
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$25 for a game that you can completely beat in 20 hours-ish casually, and has hundreds of hours of playing afterward seems fine to me

manic bobcat
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interesting

south lagoon
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it's not random small talk it's literally the game's story

robust scaffold
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etg is a better game than isaac from what ive heard

stone fog
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I read some of the dialogue, but it's just so tedious and adds nothing

south lagoon
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you are not reading it

narrow hemlock
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well then the game isnt for you

stone fog
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I couldn't be bothered to read ten paragraphs between every run of just random small talk

narrow hemlock
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the gameplay is entwined with the narrative, there is no separating those.

south lagoon
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you really cant say you skip all the dialogue and know nothing about the story and then say the dialogue adds nothing. you dont know what the dialogue is!

stone fog
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I only started skipping the dialogue partway through

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It's like 95% filler, I was waiting for something important

manic bobcat
south lagoon
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you're just kinda wrong about that unfortunately like idk how else to say. maybe it's not your type of story? it's not filler lmao

manic bobcat
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play risk of rain or isaac or something

stone fog
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I'm just explaining when people question, how am I causing controversy

narrow hemlock
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because you're skipping the story of a game that heavily relies on its story lmao

stone fog
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the game includes a godmode for people who only want story

narrow hemlock
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thats why we're saying ultimately hades is not for you if the narrative isnt of interst to you

stone fog
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whats wrong with me only wanting gameplay

south lagoon
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you're just not the intended audience

narrow hemlock
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god mode only gives boosted damage reduction. it does nothing else

stone fog
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I gave the story a chance but it just trods on without ever saying anything of note

robust scaffold
manic bobcat
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move on

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simple

stone fog
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I can't do high heat because I have to go up every tier first and it maxes out at 20 and I need to finish my upgrades

robust scaffold
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no u dont

narrow hemlock
# stone fog whats wrong with me only wanting gameplay

there's nothing wrong with that. but you're not listening to what we're telling you. hades literally entwines the gameplay and narrative aspects together. if you're only in it for gameplay then you're throwing aside half the game

soft echo
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Yeaj

robust scaffold
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u can go to 64 heat now if u want

manic bobcat
soft echo
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"Git gud"

stone fog
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After I finish the game 126 times I can then go on higher heat

robust scaffold
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thats blatantly false lol

stone fog
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ok but the enemies and room layouts and bosses are exactly the same so what's the point

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and what's the significance of 32 heat

granite ether
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making the heat gauge cry is kinda fun tbh

soft echo
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You can beat hades like 5 or 6 times to max out a weapon lol

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At most

stone fog
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ok then you have mirror and renovations too...

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plus you don't even get the final aspect until you grind a bucnh

manic bobcat
stone fog
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plus you gotta grind keepsakes

soft echo
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Lol

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You just gift everyone once

robust scaffold
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i dont understand

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just get a maxed save file and stop complaining about grind

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if u only want gameplay

stone fog
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@soft echo dude you have to use them to max out their tiers..

eternal harness
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I'm trying a Full Heat run but I'm trying to keep it to Non Zagreus aspects. Anyone got any suggestions?

short glen
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"OH no I have to use the items I only get the benefit of if I use them, the grind is awful"

short glen
thorn marsh
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uh

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as my name suggest

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maybe try banana spear?

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achilles

robust scaffold
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u can play zeus its good

soft echo
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I like aspects of Achilles and Demeter the most

eternal harness
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Lol banana Spear is great! I like the close quarters weapons like Malaphon but it keeps me too close. I was thinking spear or shield? But idk the aspects

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
eternal harness
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Full Heat is insane I died first room first try! XD

thorn marsh
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ur doing 64 heat?

eternal harness
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Yup

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All max

granite ether
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you're a braver soul than I'll ever be

short glen
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I advise against the shields secret aspect, it's kinda rough. Personally I've never been a big fan of most of either of their aspects because I'm not a fan of their specials but I imagine if you do like the throwing you probably would like most of them

thorn marsh
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yeesus

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i mean

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beowulf is really safe

short glen
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is it?

thorn marsh
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because its a shield and dash beeg damage

stone fog
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if the game gave me any incentive to do 32 heat I would do it

soft echo
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Beowuld is amazing from what I hear

short glen
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I find myself dying way more with beo than I do normally with the shield

thorn marsh
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it does damage and it can block attack

stone fog
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but it's the exact same thing and it wants you to go through the 20 heat levels before that

soft echo
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It's the only secret aspect I haven't unlocked

thorn marsh
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well shield itself is a safe weapon

eternal harness
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I haven't gotten Beowulf for some reason I cant seem to unlock it!

soft echo
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SAME

short glen
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You gotta talk to chaos with the shield

thorn marsh
soft echo
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I keep trying to but he won't give me the dialogue!

short glen
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I reccomend doing many low heat runs with shield and the chaos egg

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they*. And yeah it's random chance, they have dialogue pools to go through

thorn marsh
soft echo
eternal harness
granite ether
robust scaffold
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u can see bajs run

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but its routed

thorn marsh
eternal harness
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Thank you!

short glen
soft echo
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Yeah ik

short glen
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IDK how I managed this, but I managed to beat shield at higher heats without having beat it with 0 heat

eternal harness
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I also can't seem to get Thanos to give me his favor. I'm at 6 nectar but nah

thorn marsh
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thanos Kappa

short glen
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I think for Thanatos you need to do something with Hypnos as well

manic bobcat
robust scaffold
short glen
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Actually I think it means I forgot to beat it at 0 heat before going up

eternal harness
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Pfft

short glen
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I went straight to 1 heat for... some reason

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That's actually true for most of the weapons fdjkdslkf

soft echo
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I still have yet to even go past Asphodel with Rail, I don't really like it and I only did a "run" with it to get a diamond from Lernie real quick

eternal harness
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Do you have God Mode on Scourge? Or are you still off Godmode?

short glen
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I'm still off godmode

soft echo
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But otherwise every weapon i have is at least up to 11 heat

eternal harness
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Nice

short glen
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I find the rail to be quite interesting. I have a 50/50 chance of the run going amazing or very poorly and it really mostly depends on which hammers I get in tartarus

eternal harness
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I cant seem to get a feel for the Rail or the bow.

soft echo
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I think it's just uninteresting tbh

short glen
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I kinda just use the rail like a melee weapon most of the time

eternal harness
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I'm training those up slowly but I can never pass Asphodel

soft echo
thorn marsh
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i use to be able to use the rail but then using it so much and getting no success in completing a run with a decent time on it made me mad just using it

short glen
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If you get the infinite ammo hammer you've basically got a very big melee weapon

thorn marsh
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but i think hera is pretty fun to play

soft echo
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What're your guys' pb's?

thorn marsh
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heat or igt?

manic bobcat
eternal harness
manic bobcat
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and zag rail spreadfire melee is fun

short glen
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heat: I think 10 or 11. Time: 18:56.16

soft echo
thorn marsh
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7:52

soft echo
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Holy what

manic bobcat
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damm boy

short glen
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jesus

thorn marsh
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my heat doesnt go past 9 because i dont do anything else kekw

eternal harness
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I'm stuck at 19 minutes as my fastest.

manic bobcat
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that's almost speedrun good

eternal harness
short glen
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What is the speedrun times anyways?

eternal harness
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Thats fast!

soft echo
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I think mine was 15:26 with Chaos shield at 9 heat

manic bobcat
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I think i have 1:05 something with zag shield

thorn marsh
short glen
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oh

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wow

soft echo
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Oh yeah it's really stupidly fast

eternal harness
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Woooooo thats insane

short glen
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What are the categories anyways?

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I know there's seeded and unseeded but beyond that idk

thorn marsh
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well

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we have in game time and Real time categories

thorn marsh
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the igt category is just anyheat

manic bobcat
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they should really change the color

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but those are the categories

short glen
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what are the last 3

soft echo
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I like FreshFileHades%

thorn marsh
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OwO 3 weps and all weps have a modded varient

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One weapon Only 3 weapons and all weapons

eternal harness
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Ooooo

thorn marsh
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one weapon only is when u run every aspect of a single weapon

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3 weps is when u choose 3 weapons to do 3 runs as fast as possible

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
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BASICALLY WHAT FOX IS SAYING

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;-;

short glen
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I see

robust scaffold
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lol

soft echo
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Remember the good ol days when Haelian was the king of Hades?

thorn marsh
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👀

manic bobcat
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I member when Poseidon Artemis Cast was king

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And then Spreadfire Zag Rail

short glen
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Laughing at the toxic man and this discussion have been fun, but I must sleep now as I must be awake early tomorrow. Well not early but I need to be properly awake faster than normal. Goodnight

thorn marsh
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and then eris and achilles attacked

robust scaffold
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goodnight lol

manic bobcat
soft echo
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Gn Scourge

eternal harness
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Night Scourge!

rapid forum
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Nighty night

soft echo
manic bobcat
soft echo
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Lol

manic bobcat
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Lots of memory of the old changes.

thorn marsh
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the four nations of beowulf eris achilles and hera

soft echo
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LOL

manic bobcat
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Member when Fully Loaded was harder to get than your crush?

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I member

eternal harness
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Ok I am gonna try a 64 heat run with Banana Spear first then I'm sleeping! I'll give an update if there is significant progress!

manic bobcat
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Member when people slept on Eris?

soft echo
rapid forum
manic bobcat
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Member when Mirage Shot wasn't a duo but a tier 2.5 Artemis boon?

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I member

thorn marsh
rapid forum
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I started playing on 1.0 so me no know dusa

granite ether
soft echo
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😎

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
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this chat gets so mood so quickly xD

thorn marsh
granite ether
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I remember when Breaching Cross was +1000% dash strike damage to armour

manic bobcat
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now it's "only" 900%

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tragic

granite ether
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it's still arguably the best fists hammer

reef zodiac
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What was the point of changing that to 900%

thorn marsh
reef zodiac
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Does that really make much of a difference

manic bobcat
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Dunno if ppl get that one

thorn marsh
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oh i get it

rapid forum
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No I don't

reef zodiac
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I don’t

soft echo
granite ether
thorn marsh
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they did the same thing to irelia lul

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
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yes xD

soft echo
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**dem fists

rapid forum
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I don't like explosive upper

soft echo
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Same

crude surge
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Why

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It’s so good

rapid forum
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Prefer kinetic or rush kick

reef zodiac
manic bobcat
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technically it costs a hammer

thorn marsh
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i dont play fists much but it feels good having a bonus to using a cleaner and better animation uppercut

rapid forum
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I don't use a lot of dash upper

crude surge
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Well you should

reef zodiac
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Well change that because it’s giving you double damage

soft echo
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I don't find myself using dashing upper because it breaks your momentum. Also why I don't like Gilgamesh

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Along with other reasons but ya know

thorn marsh
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i feel like regular special breaks it more

crude surge
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^

thorn marsh
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the animation is so slow and clunky compared to a dash upper

manic bobcat
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you can do both dash attack and upper with a single dash by inputting the commands fast enough

thorn marsh
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like it almost feels bad to special

manic bobcat
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dash + attack + special

soft echo
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Really?

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Neat

winter nebula
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Is it possible to get a duo boon from a trial of the gods encounter?

manic bobcat
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nope

crude surge
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No

reef zodiac
# rapid forum ^

You do know this is an explanation of why dash uppers are good though right?

winter nebula
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Ah, that explains a lot

crude surge
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You can get legendaries though

rapid forum
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They count as dash upper?

manic bobcat
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they do

rapid forum
soft echo
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I think it'd be funny if you could get the duo from a God you just upsetted

rapid forum
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Lmao

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Let's look at how many hours I poured in not knowing that

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A lot

soft echo
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^ best waifu

thorn marsh
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oh man

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i only got 250

rapid forum
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That's low

reef zodiac
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I have 365 hours actually

stone fog
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how are you guys playing this for so long

robust scaffold
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lol

thorn marsh
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oh god here we go again

south lagoon
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different taste lol

thorn marsh
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because we find the game fun?

robust scaffold
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i have much fewer hours compared to yall

soft echo
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I got the game in May and I have like 110 hours in it help

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
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I SKIP ALL THE DIALOGUES

crude surge
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I got 335

south lagoon
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i have like 130 between pc & switch but i also got the game in . june

rapid forum
thorn marsh
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i dont get many dialogues cause i use the maxed save but like LUL

stone fog
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I couldn't imagine spending half my playtime reading flavortext

soft echo
reef zodiac
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I put 300 hours into the game in the first two months of having it

stone fog
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I'm saying I don't understand how others do it

south lagoon
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i love stories and characters and reading :] i love listening to all the dialogue and the acting

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that is why i am here!

thorn marsh
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u ever just forget to stop recording so u accidentally record a black screen for 5 hours

soft echo
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I usually read it and then skip it so I don't miss anything important or anything

manic bobcat
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i got 32 heat at the 40 hour mark I think

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the rest is a bit of resource grinding and high heat stuff

thorn marsh
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@south lagoon why are u dusa'ing my pain

manic bobcat
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and then a brief foray into speedrunning

south lagoon
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im sorry was that an inappropriate use of dusa

thorn marsh
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lul

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NO

south lagoon
thorn marsh
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2 dusas

soft echo
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How dare you

thorn marsh
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this community hates me

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😦

crude surge
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Imagine dusaing someone’s pain

stone fog
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what's the significance of 32 heat

thorn marsh
crude surge
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I would never

manic bobcat
soft echo
thorn marsh
crude surge
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Also it’s halfway to max

soft echo
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Gift thy goddess dusa!

thorn marsh
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Sadly max heat has never been done unrouted

crude surge
soft echo
manic bobcat
thorn marsh
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maybe someone in the shadow realm has a max heat clear

narrow hemlock
stone fog
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I tried 32 heat and it doesn't seem that hard except the armored enemies, maybe I should change that

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what's the best combo

thorn marsh
thorn marsh
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well i meant 64 heat lul

manic bobcat
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you can bow

narrow hemlock
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64 heat didnt exist in early access

thorn marsh
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nice nice

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
manic bobcat
soft echo
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*depends

narrow hemlock
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em4 wasnt available until full release and i think there was some other difference but maybe fox would actually know

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
manic bobcat
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nah it's legit

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it says 57 heat right there

thorn marsh
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is that the gamer luck ive heard about?

manic bobcat
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im born an epic g*mer

thorn marsh
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the gamer luck

rapid forum
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Lmao

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What's the point of blocking it?

crude surge
soft echo
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Yknow, when I cleared EM4 for the first and only time so far, I was on a call with a few friends who knew nothing about Hades, and just heard me scream"YES!!"

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
narrow hemlock
thorn marsh
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lul

manic bobcat
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lol

rapid forum
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Shield clears: 4

crude surge
manic bobcat
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first try, actually.
horheristo don't have sheesh on me.

thorn marsh
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wasnt that a comment on a tailesque video?

soft echo
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Well, remember that Hades used to be BROKEN

crude surge
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Yes

thorn marsh
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LUL

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man soup taste so good

rapid forum
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Um

soft echo
thorn marsh
crude surge
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Dang it bananana spear

soft echo
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There should be a channel for just posting dusa and bouldy

thorn marsh
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heh

crude surge
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It’s every channel

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
soft echo
rapid forum
short glen
manic bobcat
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we should make a collective Hades copy pasta

short glen
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I thought we had one

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bouldy dusa it's these

soft echo
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New channel: #bouldusa

rapid forum
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Bald dusa

thorn marsh
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;-;

rapid forum
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Saved

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Thanks for the curse

short glen
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I hate any message with that many emotes

manic bobcat
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!emojify

thorn marsh
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jesus

uncut dagger
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you will not receive forgiveness

crude surge
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Idk man as someone with around 10 40 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything unless…the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

manic bobcat
short glen
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8.5?

manic bobcat
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11/10 pre launch

crude surge
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Btw fox I love that AP one

manic bobcat
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idk what you are talking about

brisk trail
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bring back 100% huntrs dash

robust scaffold
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100%?

crude surge
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It was 100%?

robust scaffold
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was that the previous dmg

manic bobcat
crude surge
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Dang

robust scaffold
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huh

short glen
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Is there a dash tier list somewhere?

robust scaffold
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would epic hunter dash in the past have like 180% dmg then

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:o

crude surge
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Probably

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Just consult the google

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Big number

soft echo
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I think aspect of Nemesis is just funny with curse of agony and divine dash/strike with ME

short glen
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I'm trying to figure out where 8.5 is from

manic bobcat
brisk trail
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hes just an arty worshipper

manic bobcat
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im not. i just like good things

short glen
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Also: I imagine if you got life affirmation and rare crop early enough you could get stupid max hps

crude surge
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People have different names

short glen
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I've already gotten to nearly 450 once, I imagine I could get to 1k hp if the timing was perfect

manic bobcat
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but in general Hades tier lists are usually subjective and most of the ones I see on Google aren't perfect.

crude surge
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Nyaayaa would use the word heretic

soft echo
crude surge
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TROOF

soft echo
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#addartyemotebecausesheisbestgirlwaitnoimnotadegenerate

brisk trail
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dash tierlists are tidal dash for dmg, divibe dash for defense, hunters dash for specific weapons like bow > everything else

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
short glen
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I also managed to get my god gage to start 47% full

crude surge
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Cries in poor

rapid forum
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You guys might be fed to nya's crocodiles

thorn marsh
crude surge
thorn marsh
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nyaanyaa has been trying to catch me for d e c a d e s

manic bobcat
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Who is this Nyaanyaa? I ain't scare of her.

short glen
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If I hadn't lost a death defy to +40% fo witches circle and two to champions man...

crude surge
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Divine splash and hunter are the only dashes in the game

soft echo
short glen
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Okay real talk who is nyan person

manic bobcat
soft echo
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Oh wait 4th

soft echo
manic bobcat
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Allegedly best female Hades player, but we all know Toffel is best squirtdevious
not sowing the seed of discord at all

short glen
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More like the apple of discord

thorn marsh
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lul

short glen
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Because ya know, the mythology

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The golden apple thing

robust scaffold
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lol

short glen
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Explaining the joke makes it funnier

manic bobcat
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you killed it

crude surge
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Komedy

soft echo
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I know so little about mythology but I know just enough to make everyone think I know a lot

robust scaffold
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has toffel beaten nyaanyaas heat record dusa

manic bobcat
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Comedic gold bronze

short glen
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I wonder what the fastest 0 heat Gilgamesh run is

thorn marsh
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well the fastest gilgamesh run is by magnil

crude surge
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Speedrunners use EM2 and either FO1 or 2

soft echo
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Probably not very fast because Gilgamesh is Gilgameh

short glen
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Idk why anyone would have that to hand. Or fist. But if they did I'd be curious

manic bobcat
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Gilgamesh, more like Gigameh am I right

crude surge
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You are

thorn marsh
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6m 46s by magnil

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more like gilgabad

soft echo
crude surge
#

I’m actually going to start calling it that lol

short glen
#

Curious enough to attempt to beat it despite it not mattering because I like Gilgamesh even though idk how to trigger the dash upper reliably. So ig soon I'll be trying to lower my 0 heat time

soft echo
narrow hemlock
#

u guys using the bond icon with the deco still on it bother me, no deco supremacy artemis

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
#

Arty is Arty, would would they change Arty

narrow hemlock
#

dont point that at me, im the one that spent the time cleaning them up myself 🤧

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
thorn marsh
manic bobcat
thorn marsh
south lagoon
#

may i have ur no deco emoji....

soft echo
#

Ok but hear me out: Hades 2 but it's literally the same exact game but Norse

manic bobcat
short glen
#

Is that Norse mythology or it's translated into viking era language group thing

manic bobcat
#

Just kd don't support that trash

south lagoon
#

my hero

short glen
#

I'm gonna try to beat the 0 heat Gilgamesh record in hades. It's not an official category but it might be neat to do. I am so not equipped for this it's shocking

soft echo
#

Lol I'm rooting for ya buddy

manic bobcat
#

0 heat or any heat?

short glen
#

Is there a difference?

south lagoon
#

any heat includes higher heats too

manic bobcat
#

Because using heat can actually make it faster

soft echo
#

Yeaj

short glen
#

How?

soft echo
#

Im pretty sure Lernie is faster with EM2 right?

manic bobcat
south lagoon
#

forced overtime gives you faster enemies, em2 makes lernie's heads closer together yeah

brisk trail
#

em2 and fo2 are speedrun strats

soft echo
#

I think I die more consistently on EM2 Lernie than i do on regular Hades lol

south lagoon
#

em2 lernie is frustrating for me but every time i go back i miss him

robust scaffold
#

td is also for speedruns too iirc

brisk trail
#

oh yes

#

no survival rooms

soft echo
#

Which one is td...?

south lagoon
#

tight deadline

soft echo
#

Ah

manic bobcat
short glen
#

Reasons I'm not equipped to do this well: I know nothing about hades speedruuning, I've never Speedrun anything, I don't know how to reliably activate the dash upper, and I can't even reliably beat the game with just fo2. Some of these I can fix with practice or just Brute force till I get good rng

robust scaffold
#

yea makes sense

manic bobcat
soft echo
#

^^

manic bobcat
#

Just do it. I dabble briefly in speedrunning and I had fun.

#

And I'm not even good.

short glen
#

I shall begin this after sleep and my plans for the day. I meant to gi to sleep an hour ago but yet here I am fjchjg

manic bobcat
#

Have fun fjchjg

south lagoon
#

i believe in you

soft echo
#

We all believe in you, kiddo

#

Yes, kiddo was necessary

south lagoon
#

you got this champ

soft echo
#

Come on, sport!

manic bobcat
#

Did you know that Gyarados is 4 times weak to Electric moves?

soft echo
#

Uh

manic bobcat
#

That's why you should pair it with a Ground type.

soft echo
#

No?

thorn marsh
#

w a t

rapid forum
#

I got rocket bomb athena

stone fog
#

is daedalus hammer supposed to be the strongest by far or what

thorn marsh
#

?

stone fog
#

the upgrades seem to be way better than everything else

manic bobcat
soft echo
#

Hammers are what I usually go for first

brisk trail
#

depends on which upgrades you get they can be run defining

soft echo
#

They can make your run with spear

#

And Rail

stone fog
#

I feel like a lot of gods have trash upgrades but daedalus hammer like almost all of them are good

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

oh really, you can't reroll more?

thorn marsh
#

nope

stone fog
#

yeah some are worse imo but the ones that are good are really good

brisk trail
#

you both need gods and hammers to do well

#

so yea

south lagoon
#

you cant reroll hammers, you can sometimes buy a swap-out in Styx but it's randomized

manic bobcat
#

Technically you can get 3 if you buy Anvil in Styx

south lagoon
#

styx anvil will remove 1 random hammer and give you 2 random hammers

soft echo
stone fog
#

i didn't realize it was pre-determined 2 upgrades a run

#

that seems worse though

#

since you can get crap upgrades

south lagoon
#

it's a risk

stone fog
#

instead of 2 good ones

brisk trail
#

yes

manic bobcat
#

Neutral

thorn marsh
#

its an rng Elements just like boons

#

element*

stone fog
#

the daedalus upgrades for chiron are ridiculous

thorn marsh
#

what are those thanos grapes?

manic bobcat
#

They are from South Park.

brisk trail
#

member berries

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
#

They just say nostalgia stuff with the tag line I (re)member

thorn marsh
#

flurry shot on hera is comfy

manic bobcat
#

Triple Point Blank on Zag/Rama

thorn marsh
#

flurry triple on hera

manic bobcat
#

Also sure

soft echo
#

Idk I can't stand the feel of Flurry shot

thorn marsh
#

i mean its weird to use at first

soft echo
#

It just feels really weak

thorn marsh
#

but the more u use it the better it gets

manic bobcat
#

Try Flurry with Twin Shot

#

It's great

stone fog
#

are you supposed to reroll health and/or poms or not

rapid forum
soft echo
#

That sounds stupidly busted

rapid forum
#

Hehe

manic bobcat
soft echo
#

What Fox said

thorn marsh
#

triple + flurry is so gud

manic bobcat
#

I like Health so I rarely reroll them.

#

But sometimes I would.

robust scaffold
#

if only there was a flurry rama hammer

thorn marsh
#

i use persuasion so i cant say

soft echo
#

Same

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
#

lul

stone fog
#

isn't health good on high heat since you do the 30% hp method

manic bobcat
#

Yes.

soft echo
manic bobcat
#

Hence I rarely roll out of them.

stone fog
#

so you reroll poms and gold, and then reroll shops if you dont have much gold?

thorn marsh
#

cant reroll shops

stone fog
#

oh right

#

so you reroll gold and poms then

high island
#

You don't use Fated Authory at high heat in the first place.

soft echo
#

Yeah tbh

stone fog
#

can't you get it through the contractor

manic bobcat
#

Also true

thorn marsh
#

authority is just worst than persuasion imo

manic bobcat
#

If you think about it

high island
#

Reroll miniboss rewards for the god you want. Miniboss rewards are guaranteed to be boons.

thorn marsh
#

if u dont have a good build but high health u still might die because if u have no damage the hell are u gonna do

#

flail around and die?

thorn marsh
stone fog
#

so on high heat you play with garbage boons because you donth ave the tier upgrades

thorn marsh
#

no u roll the boons so u dont get garbage boons

soft echo
#

Yeah

stone fog
#

I'm talking about tier

thorn marsh
#

what tier?

manic bobcat
#

Yes. Though build knowledge comes to alleviate some of that.

stone fog
#

the mirror upgrades

high island
#

And roll away any exit from gods you don't want in your pool.

thorn marsh
#

yeah

#

fated authority

#

persuasion*

soft echo
#

He's talking about epic rare and common I think?

stone fog
#

so you reroll gods hoping to get one specific god and then hoping to get one specific upgrade when you only can access 1 or 2

#

that sounds fun

high island
#

m just telling you an effective way to use Fated Authority rerolls.

manic bobcat
#

Until they see something good.

soft echo
#

RNJesus is relentless man, you just gotta pray in roguelites

stone fog
#

man this game sounds really crap like it's not meant to play at high heat because the devs are incompetent

manic bobcat
#

Otherwise, just do the classic mantra:

  1. Git gud
  2. Don't get hit
stone fog
#

many such cases where devs aren't actually good at their game so don't know how to implement difficulty

thorn marsh
#

if the devs are one thing they definitely arent incompetent

south lagoon
#

you are being pretty rude

soft echo
#

Yeah

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

if you're doing 32 then you would have the mirror

manic bobcat
#

Don't bring your Honda to an F1 race.

manic bobcat
high island
#

I mean, how about you unlock all the stuff and get some practice in and actually try some high heat before you comment on what high heat is or isn't?

stone fog
#

because I can already tell after like 20 hours

high island
#

No, you can't.

soft echo
#

It's optional for a reason, people adapt even when they get meh boons, it's the not the devs' faults for making a certain genre the way it's supposed to be made

manic bobcat
#

At 32 don't pick RI and AP. Simple. Since EM is so free for you that's should only be 22 heat right?

#

Piece of cake.

thorn marsh
#

like

stone fog
#

I'm just saying it sounds really unbalanced and dependent on RNG and hoping to get one specific god with one specific boon

#

really bad game design tbh

thorn marsh
#

its a roguelite

#

what are u expecting

soft echo
#

^

thorn marsh
#

?

south lagoon
#

didn't we already go over the whole "this game might not be to your tastes if you don't like the story or the gameplay" thing

thorn marsh
#

most roguelite are rng dependent

#

thats what u got into when u bought the game

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

the game is just not meant to play at high heat, putting a bunch of stat modifiers and then going "yeah I'm sure RNG will make this really hard when you combine 10 different modifiers together" is really lazy design imo

manic bobcat
#

Where it starts getting a bit stuffy heatwise

stone fog
#

it's like what Enter the Gungeon did, man that game sucks

south lagoon
#

lol

manic bobcat
#

At 32 you shouldn't have to deal with RNG

thorn marsh
#

they are r o g u e l i t e s

soft echo
#

Name a roguelite/like that does it good

thorn marsh
#

rng is a part of game

stone fog
#

Enter the Gungeon is more about the devs hating the players though and trying to make the game as boring as possible

south lagoon
#

mate i think you gotta stop buying games you don't wanna play

stone fog
#

but it does have a lot of similarities now that I think about it..

high island
#

If we're talking 32 Heat, and you lose at 32 Heat, you're not losing to RNG.

thorn marsh
#

how about if u dont like the game just dont play the game maybe. does that make any sense

stone fog
#

I'm talking about like 50 heat

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

at the point where you need to rely on RNG with boons and so on

thorn marsh
high island
#

Tailesque has an ongoing 50 Heat streak.

#

So.

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

stone fog
#

ok?

#

still doesn't mean the game was designed well or designed around high heat

soft echo
#

It was designed to be flexible

stone fog
#

I can make a car out of my mattress but that doesn't mean my mattress was meant to be a car

manic bobcat
manic bobcat
#

Not designed around high heat doesn't equate bad design

thorn marsh
#

how does it drive?

south lagoon
#

it wasnt designed around high heat and wouldn't make sense to design around high heat bc high heat is something a small minority of players will experience

#

why owould that be the focal point

manic bobcat
#

Because dude is nitpicking

stone fog
#

but something like N++ was designed around something that .001% of players will never experience and is still designed really well

manic bobcat
#

Then I think you would have more fun playing N++ than Hades
And that's totally OK.

stone fog
#

if the dev can't beat the mode and it relies on RNG to be difficult then it shouldn't be in the game, simple as that

manic bobcat
#

Go play something well designed then

soft echo
#

You don't need to play highheat, you don't need to play baby-game low heat. Just you can pick a difficulty you like and work from there, or just, hear me out: play a different Hades-damn game

manic bobcat
#

No one is forcing you to play Hades.

thorn marsh
#

its a roguelite and ur expecting it to not be rng this is ur fault

stone fog
#

putting a bunch of modifiers together (which themselves are random) and saying "gee this should be hard I think" is like the laziest design ever

prisma wind
#

If you don't like the game, that's fine, but don't come in here claiming it's because it's bad game design when clearly that's not the case. The game went through 2 years of early access iterations to polish it, I assure you it's well balanced and thought out

thorn marsh
#

u should know what to expect when buying a game and u clearly didnt so 🤷

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

I could take the most simple game, add modifiers, do 200% damage, enemies have 200% health, enemies teleport, enemies transform into exodia, your view flips 90 degrees every five minutes

#

and wow it's really difficult git gud noob

high island
#

Go make a game then that wins that many awards.

south lagoon
#

knock yourself out dude

high island
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

stone fog
#

that's literally what the devs did lol

thorn marsh
#

just go play a different game man

soft echo
#

Or get a life

thorn marsh
#

no point in complaining homie

stone fog
#

it won awards for small talk and the fact that people were amazed that a character has adifferent line of dialogue between runs

soft echo
#

Go touch grass man, please

manic bobcat
#

Okay, Hades bad, N++ good. Go play N++ and let us normies enjoy our trash game.

thorn marsh
#

it makes no sense why the hell ur complaining this much

#

like jesus christ

manic bobcat
#

Bruh.

thorn marsh
stone fog
#

I was just asking a question

south lagoon
#

patently false

stone fog
#

and people started defending the game like I was attacking it

thorn marsh
#

because u are?

south lagoon
#

you have attacked the game and the devs both

manic bobcat
stone fog
#

No I didn't

soft echo
prisma wind
#

Being combative isn't going to get you anywhere, @stone fog. Let's drop it and move on, everyone has stated their case and clearly you aren't changing anyone's mind here

thorn marsh
#

u literally called the devs incompetent and thats not an attack ok buddy

stone fog
#

I said that it was depenedent on RNG because you have to reroll hoping for one god with one boon, and then some guy with 500 hours in the game said to get good

manic bobcat
#

Just out of pure curiosity. Do you know Horheristo?

thorn marsh
#

😬

stone fog
#

and I said surely that isn't good game design to have an hour of content andthen just toss a bunch of modifiers instead of actually designing interesting enemies or room layouts

#

@manic bobcat ? what does that have to do with anything

manic bobcat
#

Nothing. Like I said, out of curiosity.

high island
#

A mod has just said twice to move on. So how about we move on?

stone fog
#

when did a mod say this

south lagoon
#

purple names

#

are mods

manic bobcat
#

I'm a mod. Listen to me.

thorn marsh
#

lul

soft echo
#

Y'all I'm just gonna block Fractal

prisma wind
#

Fox...

stone fog
#

you guys are trying to start controversy

#

I was just asking a question

soft echo
#

Anyway

thorn marsh
#

ok buddy

soft echo
#

How has you day been, Wightfyre, since you're here?

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
south lagoon
thorn marsh
soft echo
#

The suspense is killing me!

manic bobcat
#

People taking their time typing

thorn marsh
#

👀

#

im expecting a school essay right now

soft echo
#

LOLOL

robust scaffold
#

lol

thorn marsh
#

hit me with that job resume wight hit me with it

robust scaffold
thorn marsh
robust scaffold
#

ill be back later to see what happens

soft echo
south lagoon
#

this is an awful lot of pressure !

prisma wind
#

I will remind everyone (not just Fractal) that the first server rule is to be kind and foster a positive, welcoming environment. If you find yourself unable to do so, step back and take a break. If someone is being combative or repeatedly violating the spirit of the server rules, please ask a Moderator to step in. Having a long drawn out argument in the channel doesn't benefit anyone

thorn marsh
manic bobcat
#

Wight writing the script for Hades 2.

thorn marsh
soft echo
#

So uh

south lagoon
soft echo
#

Hades

thorn marsh
#

yeah

#

hades

soft echo
#

What's up with that?

thorn marsh
#

cool game right?

south lagoon
#

love that game

prisma wind
manic bobcat
#

Can't play as Hades

thorn marsh
#

amazing devs no?

manic bobcat
#

I want my refund Amir

soft echo
#

Quite

south lagoon
#

omg where is the shade thumbs up emoji from

thorn marsh
#

imagine not being able to play as hades when the game is called hades Sadge

high island
prisma wind
#

I keep telling everyone that Hades 2 already exists and predates Hades... I kind of want to try to find a copy and get it working just for the memes

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
manic bobcat
high island
stone fog
#

Can the anvil of fates grant you the same weapon upgrade it removed?

Or is it removed from the pool before the two new upgrades are chosen?

high island
#

3. Stay on topic.

manic bobcat
#

Amir is cool though

high island
#

See?

manic bobcat
#

Love the guy

south lagoon
#

commas are for ppl who cant hold their breath long enough to get through a sentence without pausing. smh

stone fog
#

I really wish they explained the mechanics in this game better

prisma wind
#

But I could be wrong, I've never actually checked that line of code for that behavior

soft echo
thorn marsh
#

the ultimate big brain money schmoove

manic bobcat
#

Yeah I don't think Anvil can grant you the same thing again.

high island
#

It can't.

stone fog
#

I don't get why their games don't go on sale

#

the critical reception must be getting to their heads..

thorn marsh
#

ah crap here we go again

granite ether
#

they do go on sale though

prisma wind
#

Supergiant Games? They do, quite often

south lagoon
#

i bought hades on sale

stone fog
#

Hades was on sale for like 20% off I think?

thorn marsh
#

think i got hades on sale as well although i dont remember

manic bobcat
#

I got both Bastion Transistor for $5

thorn marsh
stone fog
#

I could buy like 10 roguelites for the price of Hades

manic bobcat
#

And Pyre for 1 cent (kinda)

granite ether
#

that's nice

south lagoon
#

then do!

thorn marsh
#

yeah go for it

stone fog
#

when was pyre 1 cent

#

I still don't have it

thorn marsh
#

10 roguelikes is kinda poggers

manic bobcat
#

Such strong neg

soft echo
#

Hades is the only SuperGiant game I've played shadeembarassed

south lagoon
#

me too tho i am hoping to try pyre next

prisma wind
#

They're all quite good in their own way, and they build on the previous games

stone fog
#

has a supergiant game ever been in a humble bundle

high island
#

Those 10 roguelikes together wouldn't have the amount of voice lines that Hades has.

prisma wind
#

You can see the traces of the previous games in Hades if you get the chance to play them

soft echo
#

I want to try Transistor bc Haelian said it was good

stone fog
#

I thought bastion was decent but thought transistor was really boring and unbalanced (kinda like Hades but even worse)

thorn marsh
#

😬

stone fog
#

@high island people buy them for voice lines? 😂

soft echo
#

I unblock 1 message shadeeyeroll shadeeyeroll shadeeyeroll

manic bobcat
thorn marsh
#

i mean hades is about the story

prisma wind
#

Let's not backslide

high island
#

Well, that's their prerogative to skip the dialogue.

#

@thorn marsh skipped the entire story and resource grind by just downloading a maxed save file.

prisma wind
#

And @stone fog, try not to antagonize people. You've stated your opinion on the game, harping on the topic isn't going to do you any good

stone fog
#

like 99% of videogame stories are kinda bad, I don't see why people think that's weird to skip dialogue

thorn marsh
stone fog
#

something like New Vegas obviously I read the dialogue

thorn marsh
#

i didnt feel like doing the epilogue ok ;-;

manic bobcat
#

Heresy

thorn marsh
#

im sorry

manic bobcat
#

Just kd, I downloaded a maxed Hell Mode for the one heat

thorn marsh
#

lul

manic bobcat
#

Ironic because that heat is Personal Liability

soft echo
#

I have a request of someone: please make one of those memes where it says "thank you for making thing perfect but one of them is NOT YOU. Yknow those ones? But it's a bunch of Hades characters and the NOT YOU is Theseus

manic bobcat
#

Life is filled with irony isnt it

high island
#

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.

thorn marsh
#

also

#

i didnt skip the entire story

#

i got credits first

#

:C

stone fog
#

I like when I have a 3% chance of crit or a crit that only applies to a call and then I get a bunch of bloat crit boons in the pool that are useless

#

really good game design there

thorn marsh
#

if u get a boon for crit then get more boons for that crit how is it useful

stone fog
#

I really like when 3% of my attacks do 25% more damage, poggers I must say

stone fog
#

because it's not enough crit to even be remotely useful in any way..?

thorn marsh
#

its easy just get hunters mark its a priority boon

stoic flame
#

swordsman is fine

south lagoon
#

i like swordsman

thorn marsh
#

c34 swordsman

stoic flame
#

shield bois are so annoying

thorn marsh
#

MY TIME MAN

soft echo
#

I love getting a pierce hammer and just beating theseus and shield bois to the ground

manic bobcat
high island
#

I mean you're the one doing the build. If you need help with your builds, you can always ask here or ideally in #h1-builds-and-combat.

stone fog
#

does exit wounds work with stygian soul

manic bobcat
#

Also what's comma?

prisma wind
#

Yes, it works with Stygian

#

It procs when the cast leaves the target, same as Infernal

thorn marsh
#

whats a comma pls explain

stoic flame
#

does that cast even leave the target with stygian

manic bobcat
#

Wasn't there a bug where you can get like 8/3 casts or something like that

stoic flame
#

it just dissolves in them

thorn marsh
#

it was funny

prisma wind
#

If you want to nitpick, it's when the lodged bloodstone indicator disappears

stoic flame
thorn marsh
stoic flame
#

wdym max

thorn marsh
#

once u load enough casts into hera itll literally stop letting u load casts into it

stoic flame
#

whats that number

south lagoon
#

how many is that

manic bobcat
#

Oh yeah I think we are thinking about the same bug

thorn marsh
#

i dont know

#

i didnt count

south lagoon
#

:(

stoic flame
#

bruh

thorn marsh
#

its not achievable in a normal run though

manic bobcat
#

It's only really possible against Skelly

#

It's a party trick

south lagoon
#

:o

thorn marsh
#

yeah

#

see

#

i dont think beowulf has that limit

manic bobcat
#

If you can somehow make Hades a party a thing

soft echo
thorn marsh
#

i can kill skelly 3 times over using the bug lul

south lagoon
#

poor skelly

manic bobcat
#

Imagine inviting friends over and show them that

soft echo
manic bobcat
#

You know what

thorn marsh
#

lul

#

oh no fox

south lagoon
#

youre right youre right. good for skelly

thorn marsh
#

yeah

#

skelly enjoys it

manic bobcat
#

He's a masochist

soft echo
#

I was gonna say that I wouldn't say that because this is a pg-13-ish server...

prisma wind
#

Eh, it's fine

soft echo
#

I also didn't want to risk being that guy but I guess Fox is just god

manic bobcat
#

I mean Meg doesn't go into Zag bedroom to play boardgames you know.
Or... Do they?

prisma wind
#

Just don't get weird about these things

thorn marsh
#

pg-13 Kappa

south lagoon
#

meg and zag sit quietly together in the dark

manic bobcat
#

It's a joke on the damp ability

#

But yeah

thorn marsh
#

out of context though

soft echo
manic bobcat
#

Isn't it kinda mean that the other two sisters aren't welcomed to the house?

#

Like

#

That's sad

south lagoon
#

yeah but i mean

thorn marsh
#

i mean alecto would step on everyone and tis is just ...

soft echo
#

Alecto is a sadist and Tis just kills because why not

south lagoon
#

i dont get the impression they really want to be there and the house is all like

#

order prevails etc etc

#

dont want to invite any troublemakers...

stone fog
#

is there a mod that autoskips all dialogue

thorn marsh
#

no

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just mash through it

manic bobcat
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Also Cerby is allowed and not Lernie

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Discrimination smh

thorn marsh
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how would lernie fit in the house

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H O W

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TELL ME HOW FOX

stone fog
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and a mod that highlights environment objects like chaos gates, shops, fishing spots, and vases

manic bobcat
stone fog
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it's really hard to see stuff because the artstyle is so busy

manic bobcat
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Look in modnexus maybe?

thorn marsh
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maybe the colorblind mod?