u dont have to compare urself to other players here lol
#h1-discussion
raw herald
Yeah I think comparing your runs to other people is bad if it gets to the point where you feel intimidated
chrome wharf
yeah when I poke my head into the high heat channel and see people talking about 50+
robust scaffold
usually when i see players that r better than me i think its pretty cool
chrome wharf
I'm like *laughs in the corner with my 2 32 clears
robust scaffold
yes 50+ heat is where it gets kinda hard :p
inner geyser
My highest is 16
inner geyser
yes 50+ heat is where it gets kinda hard :p
That’s kinda what I’m talking about. Stuff that’s super challenging for me and most of the community is brushed off as easy for most people active here
robust scaffold
also it depends on what u play the game for ig
plucky latch
Tbf. It's just the active people
robust scaffold
yea difficulty is relative
chrome wharf
I think it's the same with anything that involves continuous improvement - one's internal goalposts shift as one gets better
narrow hemlock
there's plenty of casual players here, not sure what you're talking about. i dont even do over 20 because i frankly dont find climbing heat fun. there is a small community of high difficulty players that happen to be active here but theyre not remotely majority
chrome wharf
you think something is hard -> you achieve it -> now it feels easy -> you think something above it is now the "true" hard -> repeat
inner geyser
What’s strange to me is that so many people with way more progress on the game than me don’t have all the aspects yet, some have none even. It says 2 things. 1, I’m lucky with dialogue. 2, I play more for long term progression and just having the satisfaction of completing a collection
chrome wharf
or, like me, they didn't know what they were doing and like to stumble along blind
raw herald
And theres nothing wrong with that
plucky latch
I dont have all the aspects because I only like the sword
inner geyser
Also fair
chrome wharf
I got my first clear at 44 tries with only bow unlocked LOL
robust scaffold
inner geyser
I only really like the sword and shield, but I got them all anyways cause it’s rewarding to me
robust scaffold
bow is nice :D
thorn marsh
bow is simply poggers
inner geyser
I’m not good with the bow but I’ve learned to like Rama
chrome wharf
there seems to be 2 kinds of people - those who don't get bow, and those who get it instantly
inner geyser
When I got a clear with every weapon for the 15 Titan blood I forced myself to max it and get better with it lol
plucky latch
I like archery in most games. Not in Hades tho
south lagoon
bow my beloved 💘
robust scaffold
there seems to be 2 kinds of people - those who don't get bow, and those who get...
im a ranged weapon enjoyer so i just used it from the start lol
chrome wharf
Hades was my best bow experience in a game lol
thorn marsh
i think its technically a ranged stick
thorn marsh
but it has range
chrome wharf
yes it is
thorn marsh
its range
robust scaffold
thorn marsh
RANGED STICK POGGERS
plucky latch
Isnt the dast strike a literal ranged attack
thorn marsh
average ranged stick player is a chad
plucky latch
Dash
chrome wharf
*puts on pom-poms
Get Achilles Aspect!
thorn marsh
i mean
regular ranged stick attack is ranged
and if u slap extending on it it becomes giga ranged
narrow hemlock
and see meanwhile i dont really like arthur much because i am just generally an impatient player and like fast weapons and reckless gameplay, so my preference is fists
manic bobcat
preach
thorn marsh
achilles is pretty unga bunga
chrome wharf
isn't Achilles also a pretty aggro weapon
thorn marsh
i think all the weapons are somewhat unga bunga besides shield
plucky latch
I went Crit Aspect for that fast and reckless shiz
raw herald
Shield is unga bunga at its core
chrome wharf
I was so bored with Shield until I was enlightened with Zeus Zeus
thorn marsh
everything is unga bunga
manic bobcat
^
raw herald
Actually I don't think Hestia is very unga bunga
manic bobcat
with enough heat, everything is unga bunga
raw herald
Unless you go MEstia
raw herald
MEstia is genuinely good, I don't get all the slander
manic bobcat
have you seen my trademark Doom Hunter Dash Hestia build?
raw herald
I don't think I have
manic bobcat
engineered to solve a problem you shouldn't have
raw herald
Sounds like a synergy tho
plucky latch
I will slander it
thorn marsh
MEstia is so bad
chrome wharf
what's the problem and how is it solved
thorn marsh
rmac pls just play zag rail
raw herald
Hooly 6:50
plucky latch
Lol. Someone say Mestia?
manic bobcat
having problem with DC with Hestia even though you shouldn't pick DC with Hestia?
thorn marsh
JUST PLAY ZAG RAIL
manic bobcat
Here, try Doom Hunter Dash Hestia
thorn marsh
ur crucifying Hestia
manic bobcat
It combines the worst best of both worlds
thorn marsh
oh my god p l e a s e
plucky latch
Why do you want them to play it so bad
thorn marsh
because MEstia is Sadge
robust scaffold
how about rame
manic bobcat
MEstia sounds like a crack addict build ngl, and that's coming from a guy who tried to make Doom Hunter Dash Hestia work
plucky latch
Well most of the Hades cast look like they're on crack so..
raw herald
Well, Tartarus/Asphodel
manic bobcat
just get lucky 4head
raw herald
Not reliably
thorn marsh
amazing advice
signal aspen
Practice good rng
manic bobcat
War Hades dicussion, Hades discussion never changes.
thorn marsh
@manic bobcat ur favorite pokemon better be mudkip
manic bobcat
<@!162305901892599809> ur favorite pokemon better be mudkip
no
thorn marsh
GOD DAMN IT WHY
manic bobcat
it's the entire mudkip line
manic bobcat
daddy swampert makes me moist
plucky latch
I knew the bot wouldnt like it
thorn marsh
monkaS
signal aspen
daddy swampert makes me moist
Nice
manic bobcat
petition to make swampert a catchable fish in Hades
someone should make a mod for that
change the fishes in Hades into Pokemons
thorn marsh
👀
plucky latch
Wish there was a hot babe in Hades. Best I get is Persephone and Euridi something
chrome wharf
Zag: Come, you knuckleheads!
me: literally catches a knucklehead
thorn marsh
IM GONNA CATCH A KYOGRE
thorn marsh
Wish there was a hot babe in Hades. Best I get is Persephone and Euridi somethin...
wow not nyx?
manic bobcat
plucky latch
Nyx lol
thorn marsh
literally the hottest character
chrome wharf
Lady Aphrodite?
raw herald
Zagreus: Ooh, a fish!
Dashes out of the room as quickly as possible
manic bobcat
Wish there was a hot babe in Hades. Best I get is Persephone and Euridi somethin...
Meg can step on me.
plucky latch
I dont think either are hot, and Aphrodite looks like a man to me
chrome wharf
(idk if it's one thing this game taught me is that I'm definitely not into ladies)
thorn marsh
I dont think either are hot, and Aphrodite looks like a man to me
w h a t
plucky latch
Very manly face
raw herald
Such a masculine figure
thorn marsh
yeah
signal aspen
Indeed
raw herald
Dunno where she hides it all
plucky latch
Meg definitely a man in disguise
plucky latch
Oh is it Mag. My bad
thorn marsh
loads into a machine gun
manic bobcat
Meg definitely a man in disguise
you should get your eyesight checked
thorn marsh
I dont think either are hot, and Aphrodite looks like a man to me
ya think
plucky latch
Hades is just trying to make me gay
thorn marsh
21 playthroughs
manic bobcat
you are not into girls (which is totally fine btw)
void vigil
lets keep it clean, here
manic bobcat
just take the most self reliant weapon and go
there is no shortcut sadly, unless you just download an unlocked save from the internet
signal aspen
Just Speedrun it lmao
manic bobcat
4head
narrow hemlock
because the gameplay is entwined with the story, and you are being fed the story little by little as you go
plucky latch
Speed is everything. 
manic bobcat
which wep do you have this problem with?
well Hades isn't a twin stick but a hack and slash
plucky latch
Not in this game
manic bobcat
there are many more melee weps than ranged ones
manic bobcat
I guess you can map both trigger to movement
and unbind attack cast dash to shoulder buttons??
plucky latch
What are you grinding for exactly?
manic bobcat
it does?
plucky latch
You want all the aspects?
manic bobcat
well if you hold attack, your control switches to aim
it's not twin stick smooth, but good enough
all ranged weps?
i mean you are locked to one place
so there is trade off there
no you are not, unless you press dash??
plucky latch
Ah I gotcha. It shouldn't take too long though. Always check the shop too for different deals
manic bobcat
with the risk of sounding condescending, i have had no such problem playing through the game.
not to say it's not a problem to you.
and bow is my favorite weapon
maybe check out some youtube bow vids to see how other people use the control scheme?
I mean on mkb you can't really attack and move at the same time
so like
objectively false :D
plucky latch
Wonder if you can trick the system into believing your controller is a mouse and keyboard
signal aspen
Who?
manic bobcat
most high heat/speedrunners use controller to the best of my knowledge
plucky latch
I'm sure Google will find a way
manic bobcat
vorime is a bit weird but he uses both, with controller being the more used option.
manic bobcat
well im here to tell you most speedrunners use controller, horheristo heat was surpassed (for a while now in fact) by literally a dozen of people using controller.
narrow hemlock
this is a really weird thing to say when the game was in early access for two years and the community regularly gave their input on everything
manic bobcat
im sorry you don't like the control scheme
narrow hemlock
no lmao
manic bobcat
but it's not a particular issue that people here bring up.
narrow hemlock
even the devs regularly used controller and kbm
plucky latch
Oh well. No one here can help with your issue tho.
manic bobcat
thorn marsh
most of the top players use controller
manic bobcat
this is about as extensive as the Hades speedrun high heat goes
the vast majority uses controller
with vids attached
thorn marsh
we said most not all
plucky latch
Does anyone here use a controller?
plucky latch
thorn marsh
they are using controller
manic bobcat
you can literally check for yourself
and horheristo is also not a good person, just throwing it out there
plucky latch
Ok
thorn marsh
just because they are PC doesnt mean they arent using controller
plucky latch
Lot of Hell Mode players. My kin
manic bobcat
Lot of Hell Mode players. My kin
"free heat" ;)
narrow hemlock
getting a very distinct "i am only seeking a very specific answer and any evidence contrary to that is not good enough" vibe to this convo
thorn marsh
"free heat" ;)
free heat Poggies
plucky latch
I get to tell my friends they are playing on "baby mode" whenever they talk to me about Hades
manic bobcat
he's very egoistic and has had a series of dramas with NT groups, HK groups, speedrunners in general. i don't like to support him, especially when diverted to a lot of, well, not PG contents recently.
i would stop here so as to stay on topic :D
it's your own freedom to watch whoever you want though.
plucky latch
Ah, Tailesque. I know that guy
manic bobcat
Ah, Tailesque. I know that guy
me too
thorn marsh
tailesque is poggies
narrow hemlock
@vast junco 😌
manic bobcat
he's like right down the block in #h1-high-heat-strategies
chrome wharf
How does Antos targeting work? I feel that Pat misses more than not
small parrot
I don't think that would cause controversy
manic bobcat
okay, anyway, Hades
narrow hemlock
idk how to tell you horheristo is not going to shake your hand for defending him in the supergiant discord friend
plucky latch
True. Like Thanatos getting jealous of Zag
manic bobcat
if you like Horheristo, that's good.
now we move on
manic bobcat
to talking about modding pokemon into Hades
thorn marsh
new topic
manic bobcat
or something
narrow hemlock
fox no
rapid forum
Char char
manic bobcat
plucky latch
Tatz you dont like rhat idea?
narrow hemlock
going to make sure the fish are turned into mudkips and you will turn them in to the chef
thorn marsh
What about Aspects?
ur favorite
plucky latch
I think that replacing all the enemies with Pokemon would be epic.
thorn marsh
mudkip supremacy though
manic bobcat
^
small parrot
ERIS
rapid forum
going to make sure the fish are turned into mudkips and you will turn them in to...
That's a great idea 
small parrot
manic bobcat
what if, hear me out, you can train the pokemon fishes you catch
chrome wharf
Achilles spear, Zeus Shield, anything on bow tbh, Demeter fists
plucky latch
How do I get summons? Just max out the hearts?
rapid forum
Ye
chrome wharf
replace Meg with Hornet, Theseus with Mettaton, and dad with Asgore
small parrot
Oh
Arthur
Hades
Demeter
Eris
chrome wharf
Kyogre is chilling with Poseidon
thorn marsh
cmon i wanna catch a kyogre
chrome wharf
he's not letting zag take his mount
plucky latch
When Poseidon gets mad at you, he uses Kyogre instead of his useless wave
manic bobcat
man this makes me wish i am more talented than right now
rapid forum
Fyi, that useless wave can drift
manic bobcat
so i can do some janky mods
plucky latch
LOL
narrow hemlock
could always talk to the modding server
chrome wharf
pinned in self promo
narrow hemlock
pinned in #self-promotion
narrow hemlock
mod support will never be official
but some of the devs are in the server too as far as i remember, they just dont interact there lol
narrow hemlock
no im p sure theyre just there in case the modding guys had some questions
you should maybe not immediately assume bad faith
manic bobcat
there are plenty on modnexus and the modding server
narrow hemlock
Heyo! Do you think there's any possibility of mod support for Hades? Thanks!
Hey firox! Currently, Hades “technically” supports mods in that players have full access to game files, and you can modify them however you wish. We don’t currently have any plans to create modding tools specifically - we don’t have any development tools that would be both easy to implement publicly and be easy for modders to use, so mod tools haven't really been an option for us so far.
plucky latch
You should take your own advice
I'm merely jesting.
Time to beg for the multiplayer mod
narrow hemlock
if people cant tell it was a joke its not a good joke, and tone doesnt translate well through text ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky latch
True.
vast junco
<@!164508146746785792> 😌
manic bobcat
Guys how do I fight normal theseus again?
You send him love letters.
Invite him on a nice date.
Impress him with your charm.
Start a family with him.
Then get a divorce, split half the fortune and ruin his life.
manic bobcat
Why not? It should work.
Beat him in the arena and he will be back.
Ruin his life and he willing be stuck in a vicious cycle of bad influence and alcoholism
manic bobcat
Charon wares aren't gonna buy themselves
rapid forum
Sounds like a solid plan to me
Legit question: when a boon got rare crop but still in rare and then you choose ambrosia from eurydice, does that specific boon have a chance to increase rarity from her ambrosia?
manic bobcat
plucky latch
I'd say as long as the boon can keep increasing in rarity, it has a chance to increase in rarity.
karmic skiff
Does hell mode compensate for the minimum 4 heat (aside from personal liability) by adding extra tiers of heat for the pacts used?
I mean other than aiming for epilogue, I'm kind of confused how progression after my first clear (of which was on hell mode) differs than if I go and start a normal save
manic bobcat
Does hell mode compensate for the minimum 4 heat (aside from personal liability)...
Yeah. The "max" heat reward is 25 now.
Epilogue is about it for contents (plus whatever else you see along the way). There is no difference story wise for Normal and Hell Mode. Only gameplay.
chrome wharf
I'd say the fun of starting a new save is to see how many less attempts you now need to hit certain benchmarks like first clear and credits
I started a hell mode file after getting normal credits, and took less tries to get hell mode credits than normal mode first clear
hollow vault
yooooo is it just me or is ||pulverizing blow and swift strike|| a stupid powerful combo for speedrunning?
also how do people end up getting 5 minute times when they spend 27-ish in game minutes
thorn marsh
also how do people end up getting 5 minute times when they spend 27-ish in game ...
?
oh
RTA vs IGT
its called free rooms and pause buffering
free rooms pause the igt and pause buffering igt also they make decisions slower than normal vs RTA
once u get to like the sub 15's i think ish the igt has to be atleast decent to get a good RTA
karmic skiff
Yeah. The "max" heat reward is 25 now.
Epilogue is about it for contents (plus w...
I meant, because hell mode requires +1 heat in 4 pacts, does it compensate by adding another extra level to those pacts? or is it intended that the player instead looks to the other pacts for increasing heat for bounties?
hollow vault
its called free rooms and pause buffering
sounds like bs to me doc
thorn marsh
sounds like bs to me doc
its not
ur comparing an IGT to an RTA
and IGT ideally has a survival room and thanatos
which also really mess up with the RTA
hollow vault
so how dol you stop the in game timer?
plucky latch
@karmic skiff not much of a compesation. You lose out on the bounties before the forced Heat. And you cant turn off the required pacts, even if you already added 5 more heat to your run.
thorn marsh
so how dol you stop the in game timer?
pause buffering and free rooms
survival room, story rooms, and thanatos
karmic skiff
<@122890537933078529> not much of a compesation. You lose out on the bounties be...
Ack, I figured that's how it was. Thanks for the clarification.
plucky latch
No prob.
hollow vault
so you just pause lots of times?
granite ether
<@122890537933078529> not much of a compesation. You lose out on the bounties be...
You don't lose out on the bounties, the bounty cap is just now 25 instead of 20
thorn marsh
so you just pause lots of times?
like when the room exit rewards pop up u pause the game and make a decision
plucky latch
Yes, but you do lose out on the early bounties. You can just get them later
thorn marsh
so it doesnt run down the clock
hollow vault
but i can't kill everything in 10 minutes
manic bobcat
so In Game Timer (IGT) is the timer that shows up in the end game screen. That's used for some speedrunning categories because it's easy if the category involves only one run.
the game pauses for you in NPC rooms, in Than room, when you pause yourself, etc.
There are categories that uses Real Time (RTA) such as 3 weps, OwO, etc. in which real time decisions matter. so it depends on what you are looking for.
hollow vault
||hades alone|| takes 3 minutes
thorn marsh
IGT?
high island
Get better builds and get better at the fight, pretty much.
thorn marsh
yeah
hades doesnt take 3 minutes and u can definitely beat the game in sub 10 minutes
manic bobcat
I think as you get better, things are more manageable. I'm far far from the best but I can do sub 32 sub 20 mins reliably, and anyheat, i can do sub 13 easily.
so sub 8 or 9 is a matter of practice and a bit of grind.
hollow vault
where can you submit images
manic bobcat
nowhere
high island
You can link images from imgur or something, and Discord will embed them.
hollow vault
any heat in speedrun.com says that people have beaten hades in 5 minutes
karmic skiff
You don't lose out on the bounties, the bounty cap is just now 25 instead of 20
No yeah I understand that I don't lose out on early bounties, but more of the progression skipped by going from 0 heat to 5 heat
Which is understandable since I did choose to start on hell mode
thorn marsh
any heat in speedrun.com says that people have beaten hades in 5 minutes
yeah
thats correct
hollow vault
and im like how do you move around fast enough to have enough time to kill enemies
manic bobcat
i mean you can see how they did it.
there are vids attacked :D
in fact every runs on speedrun.com has videos attached as proof
high island
That's a pretty good starting point for learning to play the game faster. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
thorn marsh
and im like how do you move around fast enough to have enough time to kill enemi...
i mean its due to the skill of the player and the rng in the run
plucky latch
If I ever play again, I need to try out Hermes' Keepsake. Seems like it could be fun.
high island
The top speedruns skip a whole lot of encounters with free rooms like fountains, Chaos Gates, etc.
hollow vault
hey what are the ||heat unlockables||
thorn marsh
skelly prizes?
thorn marsh
useless statues that provide ego
plucky latch
Useless? Nonsense.
vapid narwhal
two are also required for all achievements
dusky wedge
It’s ART
plucky latch
The statues are an accurate representation and manifestation of your skill as a player
karmic skiff
(and time investment)
inner geyser
The accurate representation of my skill is my switch’s photo album
The whole thing is victory screen screenshots
hollow vault
is posidons call good for speedrunning?
high island
Not really, no.
hollow vault
but one would think....
high island
You only really take Hades' Aid or Zeus' Aid in speedruns, and maybe a high rarity Dionysus' Aid.
thorn marsh
the three calls good for speedrunning are primarily zeus dad and dio call
all other calls can get yeeted into the trash can and never come out
high island
Poseidon's Aid is a DPS drop in a good speedrun build.
It's amazing for high heat or just anything that's difficult, though.
Because of how much damage you can deal while fully invincible.
karmic skiff
Is it intended that you have to wait for half a second before using chiron special so the arrows actually home in on the enemy hit by your attack?
high island
You can do your Special immediately after your Attack revovers.
karmic skiff
Yeah but I've had several occasions when right after I Attack and mark an enemy, then Special the homing doesn't trigger and it fans out as normal
Is it that I'm pressing inputs too fast?
high island
No. That can happen sometimes, not sure about the specifics of why.
Perhaps when you buffer your Special before your Attack hits, if that's possible.
karmic skiff
Yeah I see the symbol but sometimes if I Special too soon after marking an enemy for homing, it fans like normal
I'm just opting then to wait for a half a second longer before pressing Special after marking them
dusky wedge
@ancient hare what games are we talking here, really? FPS games? Souls-like? DMC?
I still think Hades has fine controls, just because they stick to normal button layouts and not have you move your thumb constantly between the face buttons or the thumb stick
short glen
Some of you may remember I mentioned my average time was around 30 minutes and my best time was 26. Well as of recently I got a run of 18 minutes
high island
Nice! Congratulations! 
dusky wedge
Just do a quick flick on the stick then, if you really need the precise aiming
Are you playing on console only?
If you need precise aiming, then why not try playing with KBM?
polar root
KBM rise up
dusky wedge
Playing with controllers will never be as precise as a mouse will be, even with thumb stick aiming
polar root
me, a kbmr
quartz hearth
Is that pronounced "kaboomer", and if not, why not??
dusky wedge
Child can still go boom too
karmic skiff
Is it just me or do some dialogue/story arcs lag behind while playing on Hell Mode?
narrow hemlock
just you and a symptom of how the dialogue system works
karmic skiff
Like I got comments on reaching Elysium when I'm well into about 25 runs that didn't clear, but got to Styx
narrow hemlock
there isn't any difference in dialogue between modes other than a few dialogue alterations
karmic skiff
Oh, so it happens on normal too? Good to know
narrow hemlock
yes
contrary to how it seems at some points the dialogue is not actually reactive to your actions in game. once you have met the minimum requirements for a piece of dialogue it's entered into your pool of available dialogue that may come up when you speak with someone. some dialogue can have higher priority than others but overall there isn't really any particular order it comes up, and it's not uncommon for some lines to get pushed down the queue and pop up much later than intended, like in your case
karmic skiff
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification
high island
There are too many variables for it to be perfect since every playthrough is unique.
karmic skiff
I figured as much. I think my worry was just if doing my first playthrough on Hell Mode negatively affected my experience of the story
narrow hemlock
it usually works pretty well for the most part but yeah sometimes you can just get stuck waiting for specific dialogue to roll up too
high island
Also why I generally wouldn't recommend to try too hard to focus on finishing specific "quests". You'll get everything very naturally if you just keep playing. Not in the same order as other players, but they won't get it in the same order as you do, either.
karmic skiff
I figured as much. I think my worry was just if doing my first playthrough on He...
Since I noticed it will have fastracked some dialogue e.g. pact of punishment comments
small parrot
Sees a discussion about taunting bosses
Immediately hears DIE, BLACKGUARD! in my head
polar root
I'LL SEND YOU BACK TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL!
polar root
Most of the time in EM4, I just kill him first just to shut him up
extra aggression
dusky wedge
“That cheering is not for you, monster!”
high island
King Theseus in EM4? Oh no. 
polar root
King doesnt suit him
high island
Yeah, but "in EM4" generally refers specifically to the EM Hades fight.
small parrot
Okay, EM3 Theseus
polar root
doesnt Hades have extra health in em4
small parrot
I can't run anything below 10 Heat
polar root
excluding the new phase
high island
Hence my reaction. Imagine King Theseus in EM4.
polar root
scurry
polar root
WOW
karmic skiff
I didn't even know he had numbers
polar root
KEK
high island
It's more if you include the healing he gets.
karmic skiff
The what now
karmic skiff
Wonderful
high island
150 only with Heightened Security.
polar root
150 only with Heightened Security.
yeah i like to suffer
small parrot
They only deal 30 IIRC
polar root
can you get cluster bomb with triple bomb on rail?
high island
King doesnt suit him
He's the King of Athens.
high island
Probably more kings in history that were jerks than weren't.
small parrot
small parrot
This vid from Outside Xbox says its unfair that we fight Theseus and Asterius at the same time
They haven't seen Extreme Measures 3
polar root
AHAHAHA
thats good
love you Xbox
you can quit as soon as you enter a room
that saves it
and when you open that save again youll be in that room
vast junco
taking damage in any encounter chamber changes the quit to "give up"
so yeah, be sure to quit as soon as you enter if it's a combat chamber
small parrot
You can't do it in the Temple of Styx, as well.
polar root
sadge
karmic skiff
I wonder if that's a consequence of the game's systems
or legitimately an anti-cheese measure
polar root
mhm
small parrot
You can see it in Voidstones
They can't affect each other
So the game isn't unwinnable by insanity
Oh, thaaaaaat
prisma wind
You can't reset a run and also keep progress
polar root
RESET!!!
small parrot
.Just Give Up
polar root
you cant sadly
prisma wind
It doesn't change settings, just any progress you made on the run
polar root
dude
small parrot
But giving up doesn't change settings
polar root
the things you got in the run
small parrot
Won't even count towards the counter in the Escape Attempt
polar root
give up means you just go back to the weapon placeholder
vast junco
???
vast junco
uh
polar root
sure
small parrot
wut
prisma wind
If it was an actual problem and not a preference issue, it would have been addressed
polar root
not sure about that
vast junco
it isn't really necessary to act like a twin stick shooter
prisma wind
You really gotta stop bringing this up across multiple channels. This is a personal issue for you, not something that the entire server needs to discuss
vast junco
i get plenty of consistency and accuracy as is, i dunno
prisma wind
Yes, you've stated your opinion. Move on
vast junco
takes some getting used to i guess
small parrot
I only use keyboard, since my mouse is borked
small parrot
Only real issue I have is aiming Specials and Festive Fog
Practice
LOTS of practice
polar root
too much practice
small parrot
Like, 1,500 hours of fighting games on a keyboard kind of practice
polar root
~~Like, 1,500 hours of fighting games on a keyboard kind of practice~~
jesus
small parrot
I would, but it's lockdown right now
small parrot
Button mashy? Yeah.
Imprecise? Doesn't feel like it.
vast junco
no
polar root
imprecise needs
how much ever it is,
lockdown
bad
the auto aim on controller is amazing
how
granite ether
It's also been mentioned more than once you can turn off auto aim
karmic skiff
It's also been mentioned more than once you can turn off auto aim
Just curious, did SGG just port their auto-aim from their previous games? Coming from recently having played Bastion it feels just like my time with dual pistols lmao
prisma wind
It's based on the same engine (though upgraded over the years)
karmic skiff
hell yeah
prisma wind
The aim assist was tuned quite a bit in early access
karmic skiff
The aim assist was tuned quite a bit in early access
What was it like?
polar root
wut
narrow hemlock
consider: this is a personal problem for you specifically
small parrot
dusky wedge
Because it’s just easier to use and learn than having to juggle between face buttons and thumbstick
prisma wind
What was it like?
Hard to describe. Never bad, but tuned to be less intrusive and more intuitive if that makes sense. It can never be perfect but it feels pretty good in my experience
cedar nexus
narrow hemlock
the control scheme has not changed through early access, it baffles me you genuinely believe that this issue you keep insisting is such a massive problem was not once detected nor resolved after 2 years of early access when we had a very active game feedback channel in that duration. maybe the problem is you
karmic skiff
man I had to manually bind my controls for Torchlight 2 so native support for controllers on an iso-ARPG is good enough for me
and thank god hades doesn't have inventory management
small parrot
A sample size of one isn't much of a sample
karmic skiff
polar root
and thank god hades doesn't have inventory management
facts
vast junco
dude
polar root
clunky is not the word
dusky wedge
Well, if you ask me, juggling between face buttons and thumb stick felt clunkier
small parrot
if you want any consistency or accuracy it is
between the isometric perspective, the finnicky auto-aim, and the aim tied to movement, it feels really bad```it FEELS really bad
FEELS
FEELS
small parrot
You just contradicted yourself.
granite ether
Mate...the control scheme out of box not working for you is quite literally an opinion based on your own experiences
You've been going on about this for at least an hour, please drop it and move on @Commons#2468
small parrot
narrow hemlock
Again. 2 years early access. This server had an active feedback channel wherein players submitted feedback about the state of the game, everything from controls, narrative, boons, weapons and thensome. you are quite literally the only person in 3 years to get this ornery over it, that is a you problem
prisma wind
I'm going to ask everyone one last time to move on from this discussion
karmic skiff
I'm rooksby and this is my favorite channel on the Hades discord server.
small parrot
I'm rooksby and this is *my* favorite channel on the Hades discord server.
GODDAMMIT NOW I WANNA REPLAY MASS EFFECT
granite ether
@ancient hare for the last time, move on to a differant topic please and thankyou
polar root
XD
high island
On to more important topics.
small parrot
Is Dusa really Medusa? Would explain why she's a servant in the House
polar root
yes, like can you get triple bomb with cluster bomb
small parrot
It's her punishment
karmic skiff
Can you get triple rockets
vast junco
yes
karmic skiff
hot
small parrot
Wait yes? To what?
vast junco
triple rockets lol
high island
This is a friendly reminder to gift ALL your Nectar and Ambrosia to the Lady Aphrodite, Goddess of Love and Beauty. https://twitter.com/dianaii__/status/1336090118218801153
small parrot
Triple Cluster?
prisma wind
You cannot get triple cluster
small parrot
This is a friendly reminder to gift *ALL* your Nectar and Ambrosia to the Lady A...
Wouldn't she want me to gift everyone, though?
polar root
This is a friendly reminder to gift *ALL* your Nectar and Ambrosia to the Lady A...
Arty sadge
small parrot
Can you get Targeting Rocket though?
prisma wind
Yes
vast junco
yep
karmic skiff
Wait now that I think about it, where does Aphrodite keep her keepsake if she doesn't have pockets
prisma wind
She has hands
polar root
FACTS
high island
Wouldn't she want me to gift everyone, though?
Are you questioning her apostle and high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite? 
polar root
MAGIK
karmic skiff
cool
small parrot
Are you questioning her apostle and high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite? <...
Just saying, she'd want us to spread the love
high island
Maybe she has a high priestess who'll hold her rose for her.
polar root
goddess of care
small parrot
I don't discriminate. Ambrosia and Nectar for EVERYBODY
high island
Just saying, she'd want us to spread the love
ALL Nectar and Ambrosia must be gifted to her.
polar root
ultimate Aphrodite simp
vast junco
LOL
high island
lmao
vast junco
all this time
polar root
I'll try it for the meme
vast junco
i just needed a better control setup
polar root
mhm?
robust scaffold
lol
polar root
MAN I WANNA PLAY CONTRA AGAIN
small parrot
People have been running 50 Heat runs without your setup for ages now
polar root
huh?
vast junco
wh
small parrot
You make it sound like controls are the only thing needed for Heat 50 and up runs
wut
polar root
dude
robust scaffold
what
polar root
this gettin
small parrot
This is getting ridiculous
high island
Imagine playing a game for 5 hours and thinking you've made a revolutionary breakthrough in the game's theory.
small parrot
I'm kinda insulted, since I've just ran a 50 Heat run this morning
high island
The mods have already told you to move on.
small parrot
USING NOTHING BUT THE GODDAMN KEYBOARD
robust scaffold
just insulted everyone whos done 50 heat runs
high island
5 hours, 50 hours, what's the difference.
vapid narwhal
the game is fundamentally not designed that way and frankly there is very little you can do about it
robust scaffold
didnt tailesque do 60 heat with controller
vast junco
have you perhaps heard of spacing and positioning
granite ether
Imagine not bringing up a topic that one has been asked to move on from
polar root
If you say so
robust scaffold
okay then
vast junco
as funny as this is, the mods did ask you to move on
karmic skiff
river vigil
what did i just enter to lmao
polar root
what did i just enter to lmao
you missed out
granite ether
Irrelevent, you been asked multiple times to move on to a differant topic @ancient hare
vapid narwhal
polar root
on some quality meme
brisk trail
small parrot
You have a serious case of "stick up one's own backside". Get it checked.
karmic skiff
I'm rooksby and this is my favorite channel on the Hades discord server
small parrot
No you aren't!
You're just pretending that you are, but it's the control scheme thing again!
polar root
I'm rooksby and this is my favorite channel on the Hades discord server
Why, hello!
you make your first escape yet?
brisk trail
I'm rooksby and this is my favorite channel on the Hades discord server
i bet you say that to every server to get a discount because your fish died again
polar root
the mod Gods have spoken
high island
¯_(ツ)_/¯
polar root
Oi bet if hes made his first escape
small parrot
Mystery for the ages
polar root
probably not
karmic skiff
i bet you say that to every server to get a discount because your fish died agai...
I say it in appreciation of the delicious popcorn I have been presented and will consume
high island
Gonna go back to embarassing mirrorless streaks with my aimless mashy pad gameplay. 
polar root
ah yes
high island
They were continuously disrupting chat and not listening to mod directions after repeated requests to move on. Think it's pretty obvious why they were muted if you go back in chat.
prisma wind
We don't need to dwell on it
small parrot
That's a LOW bar
karmic skiff
Are there any important heat thresholds to keep in mind after a first clear?
small parrot
Considering how bad other servers can get
karmic skiff
I'm wondering what I'm working towards
polar root
I'm wondering what I'm working towards
16 heat?
prisma wind
Are there any important heat thresholds to keep in mind after a first clear?
There are in-game milestones for clearing 8, 16, and 32 heat, not counting the bounties you receive
vast junco
i mean it's easy to think it wasn't disruptive if you straight up refuse to go back and see the actual context for what went down
but ok
vapid narwhal
16 and below are not significantly harder than 0
high island
25 Heat for bounties, 32 Heat for the last of Skelly's Prizes. Anything beyond that is for personal challenge.
polar root
um
small parrot
8, 16, and 32 has the whole reward thing
20 is max for bounties
32 seems to be the gate for high heat
50 is the granddaddy
vast junco
hm
polar root
where that come from?
small parrot
MOVING ON
vapid narwhal
20 is max for normal mode bounties, 25 for hell mode
polar root
8, 16, and 32 has the whole reward thing
20 is max for bounties
32 seems to be t...
never going over 32 heat
EVER
polar root
jesus
prisma wind
@frank ravine The conversation didn't and doesn't concern you. You can read back through the history if you like but it's not your place to interject
polar root
okok
vapid narwhal
I should go back to practicing 32 again
small parrot
That's a mod genius
vast junco
lmao
polar root
I should go back to practicing 32 again
gogogo
small parrot
LMAO
karmic skiff
8, 16, and 32 has the whole reward thing
20 is max for bounties
32 seems to be t...
Does anything change for me on hell mode other than 25 being the max heat for bounties?
prisma wind
Anyway, moving on
small parrot
Had it coming
polar root
XD
dusky wedge
Guy feels like he’s ranting, not criticizing, that’s the big reason
small parrot
Okay, what was I talking about
dusky wedge
Not hard to understand
polar root
Okay, what was I talking about
ALL MUST SUFFER
small parrot
vapid narwhal
Does anything change for me on hell mode other than 25 being the max heat for bo...
forced 5 heat from the start, you have no invulnerability after taking a big hit
small parrot
Right right
karmic skiff
forced 5 heat from the start, you have no invulnerability after taking a big hit
Oh so the 8-16-25-32 milestones
Are unchanged?
small parrot
I still need to work on getting Heat 20 clears on all weapons
polar root
I not gamer enough to go above 32 heat..... YET
high island
25 is changed, actually.
small parrot
I can clear Heat 15 comfortably on Fists now
high island
Bounties only go up to 20 in normal mode.
vapid narwhal
pushing heat is not necessary for completing the majority of the game
high island
Yes.
vast junco
hell mode's differences mostly lie in early game, bounty progression, and getting one extra point for pushing heat as much as you can later on
vapid narwhal
past 20 it's purely for self imposed challenge
small parrot
Yep
vast junco
and yeah that last point obviously only if you want to
small parrot
Once you get all the bounties, it's more about challenge
glossy glen
yeah fr!
small parrot
Even Zag lampshades that the 32-Heat statue is probably there for baiting you into a run
vapid narwhal
you only need 16 for all achievements even
so if you are not looking to max out all aspects
you dont even need 20
river vigil
Even Zag lampshades that the 32-Heat statue is probably there for baiting you in...
hey that statue is a work of art
depicting the balance between life and death
vapid narwhal
heat is completely an optional system to provide more challenge
vast junco
just curious though is 8-16-32 arbitrary
how do you mean
small parrot
It is,
river vigil
heat is completely an optional system to provide more challenge
yep
small parrot
And that's why it's bait
vapid narwhal
you can complete the entire story without touching the pact
karmic skiff
how do you mean
I mean like why those threshholds
vapid narwhal
like, all side character arcs, epilogue, without touching it once
prisma wind
They represent thresholds of difficulty, roughly speaking (the 8-16-32 heat)
karmic skiff
By the community or the game?
vast junco
just for the sake of making you choose a certain amount of pact options
high island
Max Heat is 64. 8 > 16 > 32 > 64.
karmic skiff
Ah.
vapid narwhal
yep
robust scaffold
64 heat
karmic skiff
Makes sense, cool!
vapid narwhal
16 is considered the starting point of mid heat, 32 is high
polar root
<:dusa:522248771409543188> 64 heat
anyone beat it?
robust scaffold
unseeded no
prisma wind
Only with a routed run
polar root
oh
polar root
dayum still is amazing
vast junco
highest unseeded is still 60 currently
vapid narwhal
32 is already nightmarish
small parrot
Only on gun
Working on getting to it with Fists
Sigh, I've come to terms with the fact that I will never unhear the notes of the death screen
I CAN HEAR IT RIGHT NOOOOOOW
storm fox
The end credits song costs 5 diamonds
polar root
yeah
storm fox
What a scam
feral olive
Max Heat is 64. 8 > 16 > 32 > 64.
i thought it was 50-51 tho?
small parrot
So it's not as bad as you think
high island
63 in normal mode, 64 in hell mode.
feral olive
what does god mode actually do?
storm fox
Ups your damage resistance
storm fox
Up to 80 percent
high island
Starting at 20%.
storm fox
Lol
high island
Friend calls it Game Journalist Mode
Nah, they wouldn't know where to find it. 
small parrot
storm fox
The cuphead vid
polar root
The cuphead vid
JUST LIKE DARKSOULS
feral olive
The cuphead vid
oh man lol
karmic skiff
Sigh, I've come to terms with the fact that I will never unhear the notes of the...
isn't there a mod that skips it
small parrot
Dunno
polar root
that be useful
small parrot
Don't want to
robust scaffold
most ppl dont use mods for hades right
polar root
i dont
robust scaffold
not that convenient either
polar root
are there good ones?
karmic skiff
yeah i read mods break on update?
small parrot
Pain is an excellent teacher, albeit not a very kind one.
robust scaffold
other games have better mods but u dont rly need mods for hades anyway
robust scaffold
lol
karmic skiff
are there good ones?
there's a QoL one that does stuff like
- pay keys to refund titan blood from aspects
- chamber count on screen
- no nourished soul for when lasting consequences is maxed out
polar root
there's a QoL one that does stuff like
- pay keys to refund titan blood from asp...
wowee
i deactivated by dds for some reason so now i dont have any dds
karmic skiff
sounds nice but i think those kinds of mods disqualify runs
oh yea definitely, if ever its just to play around looks like
my experience with mods for games is if i have an itch to scratch but i dont want the exact same experience again
karmic skiff
there's a longer list
prisma wind
There is a modded category for speedruns with an approved mod pack
robust scaffold
hmm
karmic skiff
I just picked out some cool ones
prisma wind
Mostly QoL things and removing some of the randomness
But there is a pretty active modding community for Hades
If it's something you're interested in, there's a link to their discord server pinned in #self-promotion
robust scaffold
hm i didnt know that
didnt see a modding channel so i thought ppl didnt rly mod lol
karmic skiff
yeah it's pretty neat, and im glad the modding community is at least active
robust scaffold
so theres a separate server for it
prisma wind
SGG doesn't officially support mods, that's why there is no channel here
karmic skiff
it's been hard to find mods to tweak isometric ARPGs
the last time that happened was torchlight 2
robust scaffold
it's been hard to find mods to tweak isometric ARPGs
hmm is there a reason for that ?
robust scaffold
SGG doesn't officially support mods, that's why there is no channel here
thats unfortunate
hard pawn
high island
yeah i read mods break on update?
Yeah, but you just reinstall after a patch. Takes less than a minute.
prisma wind
Patches are also less of a concern at this point
karmic skiff
hmm is there a reason for that ?
well normally such games already are tweaked and devs are pretty responsive
by design such games are balance-intensive
so mods are often an afterthought
karmic skiff
well in general really like
iso-ARPG devs know that players will spend hundreds of hours on their game
robust scaffold
oh ic ic
prisma wind
Cosmetic mods are much harder to implement
karmic skiff
^
robust scaffold
havent played any of those ARPGs so i dont really know much
prisma wind
Most mods focus on changing mechanics or adding features like choosing starting seeds/boons
robust scaffold
that makes sense
prisma wind
Or removing things, like poor Than
robust scaffold
heh
karmic skiff
yeah the most lucrative modding community for an iso-ARPG was really torchlight 2 imo
people straight up rebuilt game systems and added what were effectively expansions
high island
Most mods focus on changing mechanics or adding features like choosing starting ...
You do?
prisma wind
karmic skiff
either way im excited for hades mods
it's already a fantastic base game
so there's a lot to explore in terms of variation, balance, difficulty
lots of fun to be had
small parrot
And by that I mean, is his red eye like his dad's (a la in-game art) or just red (a la the trailer)
polar root
Is the sclera in Zag's right eye black or white?
science
high island
Huge Catch in the Temple of Styx, anyone?
high island
Can't lose this run, at this point.
polar root
CAN'T LOSE
brisk trail
what's the difference between a huge catch and a perfect catch?
high island
One is a boon.
brisk trail
oh haha
high island
No, a Well is something different again.
small parrot
I'm like, WHY POSEIDON
polar root
jesus
high island
Wrong god.
polar root
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
high island
That's more like it.
small parrot
[REDACTED]
small parrot
high island
I just no-hit Hades mirrorless. 👸🏽
small parrot
high island
100th clear on this save, too.
high island
Good luck.
polar root
WELL, thanks 🙂
small parrot
I suddenly want to run Fists on 32
polar root
isnt that hard?
small parrot
And?
high island
isnt that hard?
Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
robust scaffold
fists isnt hard
rapid forum
Ayyy pitch meeting reference
polar root
Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
i swear to God