h1-discussion

[mint coral]

i mean the reward was an extra cast, cant complain

[covert zenith]

I try to never choose those

[plush dock]

fair hehe

[native field]

I find it kinda hilarious how nobody is able to convince Sisiphus to stop helping us because he is allready being punished for all eternity

[chrome wharf]

approval 2 forced me to pick "get damaged when regular attack" on fists just yesterday Lol

[mint coral]

i saw that

[chrome wharf]

right after a forced hammer that turns the special into the kick

played solo soccer for 3 rooms

[mint coral]

being greedy failed me and no poseidon dash and mirage shot

[chrome wharf]

F

[plush dock]

yall

i have a question

and its a very important one

where's hephestus?

[stoic flame]

working

[plush dock]

does he not have time for family? 🥺

[modern garnet]

So many characters are missing... why do people always ask about hephastaus

[plush dock]

he's an olimpian and he works with tools/weapons so idk?

id say hes more fitting than dionysus for example but then again i love that man

[modern garnet]

I think the gods that were included were picked because they had a lot of lore with each other

[high island]

Daedalus covers that already.

[plush dock]

oooh thats interesting and makes sense

[prisma rivet]

I believe Hephaestus is name dropped once?

[plush dock]

yeah thats fair

[modern garnet]

Hephasteus is kind of a one note character in myth, right?

[narrow hemlock]

#ask-supergiant message

[plush dock]

also sorry for butchering names yall

[narrow hemlock]

hope that linked the right one, mobile is being finicky

[modern garnet]

Link works

[prisma rivet]

Yes, very helpful tatz

:>

[plush dock]

I had no idea this was a popular question and this is amazing thank you so much

I like that daedalus is the main character with this function, i like the idea of a mortal being so bad ass he can help the gods

[loud scaffold]

Is there anything I can do with keys besides respecing once I get all the skills on the mirror?

And besides minor trading with the shopkeep.

[plush dock]

i feel like my boy hephaestus is done dirty in the media in general though, people don't use him as much and i think he's pretty cool

[plush dock]

i don't think so??? not in the point i'm in the story at least

[brisk trail]

If I'm remembering correctly, Greg once said that the reason some more popular Olympians like Apollo were not included and some less popular Greek myth characters like Demeter and the Furies were included was because of the scope of the story.

It's ultimately a story about the family of Hades, God of the Dead.

[prisma rivet]

Thus, the name

[brisk trail]

That's a largely cthonic story, with little actual presence from Olympian characters.

Hephaestus could have very well fit in with the Hammers or weapon upgrades, but SGG ultimately went in a different direction.

[prisma rivet]

As a fan of the myth of Icarus, I was pleased to see Daedalus getting some love :D

[brisk trail]

Before the Aspect of ||Lucifer|| was revealed I thought Zeus' awakening phrase was a reference to Icarus.

[prisma rivet]

Ahhhhh, I could see that

Off topic, but I've been diving into Greek mythology/ancient history thanks to my obsession admiration for Hades

I love how absolutely dramatic it is all the time

[brisk trail]

You can always walk into something after that.

[mossy lily]

this is a good game

[prisma rivet]

For sure!~

[mossy lily]

yes

[plush dock]

that makes perfect sense. also I personally don't like apollo that much

thank you and everybody else for answering btw, i love this game and its nice to know more

my knowledge of greek mythology comes mostly from pjo so its good to see other interpretations, the characters in hades are really captivating and interesting

also i didn't know you couldn't die from that

yup absolutely

i have 80 hours of play and i barely felt that

true

[prisma rivet]

Definitely LOL

[plush dock]

lmao

[languid wolf]

chamber 22 pog

death defiance coming in clutch

when i die in this run it's gonna hurt

because it'll be over at least three sessions

i'm really enjoying this game :)

honestly i don't think i've ever played a roguelike or roguelite before

[plush dock]

ive played darkest dungeon but its very different

its a great game indeed

and ive never escaped without death defiance so i feel you lmao

[languid wolf]

i have darkest dungeon i think

haven't played it yet

[plush dock]

i looove this game, it doesn't require as many reflexes and its more about administrating your resources and knowing the mechanics and planning ahead

and knowing when to quit too, usually games excuse a little bit of recklessness because you can always try again

like in hades lol flashbacks to me dying to ||charon||

[mossy lily]

so whats the plan now that hades is long released by now, will they still give it an update cause its a roguelike or are they on a new game

[brisk trail]

hades is done pretty much

[mossy lily]

aight

[hollow hawk]

Hades is coming to console in like august, but that's about it

I doubt there'll be any major changes down the line, they've probably moved on to another game

[high island]

They've made no announcements either way.

[vapid narwhal]

Hades was in early access for nearly two years before full release. The things they wanted to add are probably in the game now.

[tepid plover]

Yup

[river vigil]

Yeah

[tepid plover]

Might get a dlc in the future

But that is a loooooong shot

[vapid narwhal]

super long shot

[tepid plover]

Yep

[vapid narwhal]

SGG havent done any meaningful DLC for their games since Bastion

[tepid plover]

None of their games have dlc iirc

[vapid narwhal]

nothing for Transistor and Pyre

[tepid plover]

Ah

[vapid narwhal]

they just release a game to perfection and move on

[tepid plover]

Sounds about right

[vapid narwhal]

Pyre had some post launch patches regarding the custom match mode, but that's about it

[tepid plover]

Man if pyre ever got online mode

That would've been amazing

[void vigil]

You can play online using the steam remote play feature actually

[tepid plover]

I meant like full on multiplayer with matchmaking and stuff

Not just with friends

I know no one who plays the game so steam remote doesn't do me any good

Also steam remote could be laggy on the other end

[void vigil]

There is a group of people who play it every week, you could join their server if you are interested - I could drop the invite link in #self-promotion

[floral ledge]

Damn I was doing my worst shield run so far and accidentally finished the game

so free win methinks

[stoic flame]

nice

[floral ledge]

Question, what's the best way to trade resources

should I wait for limited time offers at the shop

or do the questionable standard trades

like 10 nectar for 1 diamon

I have like 5 ambrosias and expect to get a lot more, so that can be 5 fairly easy bloods right now

but I'm afraid to miss on good deals

like last run I wasted all my stones on random decorations and when I checked the shop I had a diamond for 100 gemstones

[vapid narwhal]

keys can be leniently traded away after you unlocking all mirror upgrades for nectar

gemstone too if you get the cosmetics you want later

others I'd always wait for a good limited time trade

[frozen granite]

Im using nvdia gpu yet i got crashed when i used directx

But vulkan is fine

[vapid narwhal]

#h1-tech-support

[frozen granite]

Nah its ok

Its not like i cannot play the game

I just think it weird, thats all

[vapid narwhal]

oh

what GPU and driver version?

[frozen granite]

GTX 940M version 30.0.14.7111

Its the latest version

[kind pagoda]

can anyone suggest me a good excalibur (aspect of arthur) build?

like what gods to prioritize

what keepsakes to take

[tepid plover]

For a second my brain shutdown trying to figure out what Excalibur was

Then I remembered Arthur

[kind pagoda]

yea

[floral ledge]

oof, important question

if I replace lambent plume, do I lose all the stacks?

[stoic flame]

yes

[floral ledge]

F

I guess this is lambent plume rank farming run time

[river vigil]

yep

you gotta be dedicated if youre using butterfly and plume

[earnest helm]

Guys how to beat hades again i won against him 3 times now im stck

[floral ledge]

I'm using zag's fists so it's fine I guess

[earnest helm]

He is so hard rn

[floral ledge]

though I did miss on sturdy hammer in favor of explosive punch

[uncut dagger]

what'd you do the first 3 times

try doing that again

[earnest helm]

I couldnt

[uncut dagger]

what do you mean

[earnest helm]

I tried to do the same thing exactly

But i lost

[uncut dagger]

exactly?

[earnest helm]

Yes

[uncut dagger]

in a roguelite I didn't even know that existed

well, what weapon are you using?

[floral ledge]

How did you manage to do the exact same run twice

[uncut dagger]

as far as I know you can't seed a Hades run

[earnest helm]

Luck tbh

[floral ledge]

anyway, all I did to streak-win vs hades was:

[uncut dagger]

that's honestly one of my only complaints with the game, as far as I know, you can't seed it

[floral ledge]

1. Learn to dodge all his garbage. I literally perfected him once with bow

[uncut dagger]

using a shield makes this easier

[floral ledge]

2. Try to synergize your daedalus power

Hades is the Dark Souls boss. His only gimmick is whatever random wretches he summons

which are also meaningless if you happen to have armor breaking combos

i still ahve no special boon reeee

halfway elysium

[rapid forum]

it's ok

yest I wanted to go ares cast build

I got everything

even his legendary

however I lack one thing

Hunting Blades

even until styx

I didn't get it

aaaaaa

[floral ledge]

Am I supposed to uncover this in the future? The suspense is killing me

https://i.imgur.com/TBjpvv1.jpeg

no spoilerino pls

[tepid plover]

You can with mods

[tepid plover]

You're literally asking a spoiler question. Then say no spoiler 😂

[frozen granite]

oh man

i almost won the game

but then i saw an anvil item and i though "hm... what does this do" and i click on it

my strongest boon that my build was built entirely around got swapped to another thing

[floral ledge]

I mean, not asking what's under the wraps, but I shall soon find out I guess

Gotta ask, what's the benefit of added ammo for the rail

I haven't seen any boons that enhance damage the longer you shoot or anything

[river vigil]

well just added ammo i think and shots become more precise

[floral ledge]

heh, well

I'll stick to Eris or Hestia for now

IDK which one tho

hestia is its own thing

but Eris with rocket

bruh

if only I get rocket, that is

rocket first drop

GG

[floral ledge]

btw is it just me or artemis' call is really bad

at max gauge it's 1200 damage

accounting for crits, it's about 2k damage

aphrodite does 2500

without relying on crits

hold on I didn't factor in if you also add other crit boons

[hushed pumice]

😉

[rapid creek]

anyone knows what upgrades/god to look out for when using arthur sword?

i just got it and maxed it

heard its pretty good

[tepid plover]

Aphro

[kind pagoda]

do the ||heat|| mechanic bounties only reset when I beat the final boss? iow I can't farm just the first boss, is that correct?

[tepid plover]

Correct

[kind pagoda]

and do i have to spoiler tag ||heat|| here?

[tepid plover]

No

[kind pagoda]

ok

[tepid plover]

Also they don't "reset"

You're just done with that heat

[kind pagoda]

i mean yea you have to go for higher

[rapid creek]

any hammer to look out for?

[tepid plover]

Yes

[rapid creek]

upgrade*

daedalus hammer

[tepid plover]

Hammers kinda depend on the rest of the pantheon and your playstyle

Aphro just goes with it cause big numbers

[rapid creek]

crap i dont hav eternal rose what do i take

[floral ledge]

RIP

[rapid creek]

oof

[floral ledge]

took anvil, now bomb damages myself

with erys

and lost rocket

F run

[rapid creek]

lmaoo

F

[rapid forum]

anvil is rarely worth it

unless you have nothing to lose

[tepid plover]

Or unless you have ap2

Which means you probably have nothing to lose

[floral ledge]

This change undoubtedly made the fight easier

1500 damage from the edge of the screen, i lost no HP again

[devout karma]

first time using charons bow and i gotta ask , for chaos, what is his best boon to get

asking since i guess special now is good for the bow

[tepid plover]

Charons bow?

[devout karma]

chiron

[tepid plover]

Increased special damage is nice

[rapid forum]

if charon use a bow, I'm done for

[tepid plover]

Thats if is offered

[brisk trail]

special dmg is nice but chaos is always so varied like health is always good, money is always good, backstab is decent

[rapid forum]

extra bloodstone is great

[brisk trail]

dash strike bonus is always great on bow

[devout karma]

i chose the special dmg

[brisk trail]

well only for cast builds

[rapid forum]

yea

[devout karma]

would chirons bow pair well with athenas divine flourish?

the one where special deflects

also more special dmg

[tepid plover]

If you need the deflect

Then yeah

[devout karma]

i also have the option of dash reflect

[tepid plover]

Best dash in the game correct

[rapid forum]

personally I'd pick dash

[brisk trail]

athena special is a waste tbh

[rapid forum]

athena special isn't great

[devout karma]

taking dash

[floral ledge]

I'm assuming 3hp/room is better than 60% dark juice as healing, since I tend to avoid dark juice in general xD

[rapid forum]

ye

[tepid plover]

Ignoring athena dash is a crime

[rapid forum]

well

um

uh

[brisk trail]

it gets better when youget darkness from bosses bc you got all the bounties

[rapid forum]

I should be in jail then

[tepid plover]

That one is controversial, some people like one, some the other

[floral ledge]

oh yeah athena's dash is one of the best things ever

[tepid plover]

Personally I like the healing per room

[brisk trail]

boss darkness is one big heal

[floral ledge]

yeah but my bosses don't have darkness

[rapid forum]

that's the thing

[tepid plover]

Theres a fountain right after a boss

[rapid forum]

you'll get fountain right after

[floral ledge]

ye but fountain doesn't top up without dio

[brisk trail]

fountain doesnt heal to full right

yeah

[rapid forum]

it's a good 60%? I think

[floral ledge]

i believe it's flat heal

[tepid plover]

Is a percent

[river vigil]

its percentage

[floral ledge]

because last run i had craaaap healing from it

oh

then it can't be very high

[rapid forum]

I guess if you're farming darkness it's great

cause you're gonna be taking that a lot

[floral ledge]

ye no, right now I'm pushing low heat on random weapon with consumable boosts

[tepid plover]

Darkness healing is so inconsistent, other than boss area, where you have a fountain right after anyway. Also after champions, darkness doesn't exist and 3 heal per room really shines in styx chambers

[floral ledge]

oh come on

[tepid plover]

Don't be naughty

[rapid forum]

lol

[tepid plover]

Put a coin in the swear jar

[floral ledge]

I can say crap, but I can't say the other crap

[brisk trail]

if you run dark foresight darkness heal is gonna be a lot worse too

and you should run dark foresight

[tepid plover]

Yep

More reason for healing per room

[floral ledge]

https://i.imgur.com/Gxd4Fhr.png

that's how my mirror looks like rn

[stoic flame]

get deep pockets

it helps

[rapid forum]

looking at golden touch makes me want to do hoarding slash run

[dusky wedge]

I find running PS a bit of a hurdle nowadays

[rapid forum]

it's great in some builds

[dusky wedge]

With the correct gods, it’s a straight up easy increase, but if not, gotta spend some work getting it up with extra boons

Still, it’s 25% vs 40% tho

[rapid forum]

get all gods

oh right

I wanted to do that run

[dusky wedge]

Golden Touch tho, I really prefer the other one

[kind pagoda]

should i build dash strike on arthur?

[rapid forum]

that works

[kind pagoda]

got double edge in the hammer

and greater consecration

[kind pagoda]

kk

[devout karma]

would it better to get artemis's call or her duo bloon heart rend (more crit damage to weak enemies)

[floral ledge]

Does it? I tend to dodge shops as much as possible

and the stacking money becomes a lot

I admit however, IDK how much money I can start with when maxed out

btw anything worth mentioning on spear aspects?

achilles looks cool in concept

[rapid forum]

depends, is artemis your main source of DPS

?

[devout karma]

does every enemy get affected by weak

[devout karma]

dont think so

[rapid forum]

you need to attack with aprho to inflict weak

[hushed pumice]

There's also other ways

[devout karma]

yeah i have main attack aphrodite

[rapid forum]

what's your weapon?

[devout karma]

chiron bow

[rapid forum]

special?

[devout karma]

i think 5

[rapid forum]

nonono

what do you have on special

?

what god do you have I mean

[stoic flame]

ur gonna need the shop later on

because boon purging

[devout karma]

in the trial of the gods which god has a more annoying attack between athena and artemis

[rapid forum]

Athena doesn't attack

she mainly make enemies invulnerable

[devout karma]

that seems annoying

[rapid forum]

it makes combat slow but safe

[devout karma]

fair enough

i can choose artemiss aid now

pog i guess

[keen lichen]

demeter is always the most annoying imo

on elysium boss fight is the one i hat the most

[rapid forum]

demeter and aphro for me

are the worse

[keen lichen]

aphro is alright. dionysius is unpredictable so i have to actually pay attention and improvise even my walk

[rapid forum]

which is funny considering one goddess is goddess of life and the other is of love

[keen lichen]

i wanna try demeter on fists. see how good (or not) it is with the demeter boon that explodes on 5 freeze stacks

had doom stacks on fists last run, no merciful end (bad luck). still strong(y).

i just circled around the encounters tagging.

[tepid plover]

I used to like this, till I realized I was getting more money than I needed, and I could've used that money in shops along the way

[devout karma]

4th attempt on hades, currently with full 250 and 3 revives, time to beat him back down to his throne room

[keen lichen]

talking about stacking money, i picked that +damage from money hammer in a sword run. ended up with 4k money i believe, but very few boons since i didn't buy anything and always picked money over any boons. attack got strong but i failed to beat hades.

[river vigil]

Gl

[devout karma]

thanks

^^

[river vigil]

Well could've bought the diamond or blood that charom offered in styx doe haha

[keen lichen]

well yeah but i didn't know i was gonna lose lol

[devout karma]

he wooped my ass 1/3 of his hp on p1 but now its time for phase 2

[keen lichen]

first time beating hades feels so good

more so the more you had to try before succeeding

after the first time, unles with || hades extreme measures|| i assume (which i haven't tried), losing to him feels humiliating lol

[river vigil]

Well didn't matter bruh you're still gonna keep it even if you loose hah

[devout karma]

LETS GOO

[keen lichen]

i needed/wanted the money for the damage. besides, it was a diamond. i have a few i haven't bothered using yet so decided to keep the money for the damage.

[devout karma]

BEAT HIM

[frozen granite]

i beat hades

and i dont know how i did it

[river vigil]

Nice

[river vigil]

Ah

I should llegit try 32 heat man, i suck too much to try it

[keen lichen]

why 32 specifically?

[rapid forum]

Try it

It's fun

[keen lichen]

do rewards not end at 20?

[rapid forum]

If you win 32 heat, you'll get certain trinket

[keen lichen]

oh got it

i'm trying to not spoil anything since i'm loving finding everything out as i go

so i only look up boons and the weapons (which i already know about)

[devout karma]

i can boast of my victory now

[rapid forum]

32 heat is like high heat for humans. I do not consider people that do 40+ above are human

[devout karma]

big pog

[keen lichen]

i stay as far away from the story as i can

(out of the game)

[frozen granite]

i should check about duo boon more lol

[keen lichen]

congratulations!

[chrome wharf]

32 is fun and by fun I mean I like faceplanting on things a few times before looking at guides

[devout karma]

13 full attempts on hades

feels great

second phase hades is lowkey easier than first phase

[keen lichen]

yes, i feel relieved when i get past phase 1

[rapid forum]

It's like that yea

Because of the goons

[keen lichen]

i wouldn't say it's objectively easier, i'd just rather fight against hades alone than hades + armored mobs

[devout karma]

he kept spawning shield ones

and they are annoying

same with those hydra heads

[keen lichen]

once you learn the fight, his moves etc, fighting against hades alone gets easy

[chrome wharf]

The shield summons can die in a fire

[keen lichen]

the armored mobs, can make it hard to not get hit, though

and you can't just stand beside hades, hitting and dodginng his spear

[devout karma]

those shields are so annoying

[keen lichen]

armor is the true challenge in this game to be honest

i always get +damage against armor bonuses wherever i can find them

+900% damage against armor from fists. lifesaver.

[frozen granite]

i think armor become challenging at 3rd area

[keen lichen]

agreed.

those spear/shield/sword/bow guys. you take them out of the game, the rest is steamroll.

[frozen granite]

the shield one is so anoying

[keen lichen]

they're tough, too much hp, often armored, ar fast, attack repetedly, fast and with long range.

[frozen granite]

it can block, it can melee strike

and it can throw projectile at u aswell

[keen lichen]

yeah shield is the most annoying imo

they're harder than hades

lol

[rapid forum]

Just like how shield is annoying to the enemies when we use them

Kek

[frozen granite]

i want to use bow more

it hit like a truck and is very challenging to use which make it fun

[rapid forum]

My fav bow is shield's hidden aspect with bull rush hammer

Kek

[river vigil]

Bruh

[keen lichen]

yeah bow game is whole different game. fun after you get used to it.

[rapid forum]

Joking aside

[river vigil]

I can't play bow with a controller

[keen lichen]

i believe that applies to all weapons.

[rapid forum]

Bow is my main

[river vigil]

It feels too clunky

Other weapons are fine

[stoic flame]

bow is fun

[frozen granite]

anything that require aim is hell to use with controller

[keen lichen]

can you "lock" on enemies like you can with mouse using th controller?

[river vigil]

Nope

[frozen granite]

PC flexing on that with mouse lol

[keen lichen]

lol

[river vigil]

Auto aim i meant aim assist helps

Wait

How do you doe the line on text

Aahhh i forgot

[frozen granite]

use 2 of that ~

[rapid forum]

Ye

[river vigil]

Ah yes thanks

[frozen granite]

aimbot

[rapid forum]

Chiron bow enters the chat

[frozen granite]

that bow

[river vigil]

Targeting go brrr

[frozen granite]

i tried it and omg

if that type of homing exist in any game, you will see some cursing

180 degrees turn homing

[rapid forum]

The game is about being overpowered

So

Kek

[dusky wedge]

Eris has entered the chat

[frozen granite]

the base bow seem nice with its extra crit

[rapid forum]

Zag bow is great

Especially when you want to go boonless

[keen lichen]

is there any coded reason to go boonless?

i mean, prophecy, achievement, secret, trinket, story etc?

something beyond the subjective feeling of accomplishment.

[rapid forum]

You get boonless exclusive convo with dad

Right before you fight

[devout karma]

ngl ending was kinda sad

[stoic flame]

why

[prisma rivet]

How many clears have you done?

[river vigil]

Boonless convos, and well levelling up shattered shackles

[frozen granite]

How many clear is enough for the real ending?

[river vigil]

10

[frozen granite]

Ok

[stoic flame]

10 + more for epilogue

[river vigil]

Yep

[frozen granite]

Dang

[tepid plover]

😂

[prisma rivet]

Yes, I haven't gotten the epilogue yet haha

[stoic flame]

🥴

[river vigil]

Epilogue takes a while to get

[stoic flame]

talk to perse

you get the dialogue

[river vigil]

Cus you're at the mercy of rngchat as well

[stoic flame]

rng is the true final boss

[river vigil]

It is

[stoic flame]

i still dont have dusa bond

[frozen granite]

The game time is way more than the game's price lol

[keen lichen]

but you only need the shackles equipped to level it up right?
but yeah you don't get its benefit if you have boons.

[river vigil]

Yep but like what's the point of it if you're not going boonless, its pretty fun

[molten parrot]

about that

[prisma rivet]

Most certainly :D

[molten parrot]

and mostly about the shackle

[frozen granite]

What is the boonless trinket bonus btw?

[molten parrot]

artemis dash makes your dash strike stronger

does that negate the shackle's bonus on attack?

[molten parrot]

you mean the shackle?

[river vigil]

Yes

[frozen granite]

Im not sure which one that give benefit when boonless

[molten parrot]

iirc, it makes attack, special and cast 100% stronger while not powered by a boon

[molten parrot]

it is the shackle from sysiphus

[river vigil]

Wait

[molten parrot]

keep in mind, that 100% is additive

[river vigil]

You said dash mb

[molten parrot]

so if you have another damage bonus, let's say, achilles spear

[river vigil]

Dash shouldnbe ok

[molten parrot]

at level 2 it's 75% more damage

[river vigil]

As long as it aint attack, cast, ot special

[molten parrot]

cast is 50 damage

so spear + shackle does 175% more damage, instead of first multiplying the damage by 2 and then by 1.75

[molten parrot]

aight, thanks

[keen lichen]

is there a clear winner among the weapons as far as speedruns are concerned?

not sure if no/low/high ||heat|| influences the choice.

[rapid forum]

Eris is still up there

[keen lichen]

the guy that beat 60 used the hidden bow right?

[stoic flame]

eris 😍

rama 😍

[rapid forum]

idk about you but at 60, it's more of trying to survive rather than speedrun

kek

[void vigil]

high heat and speedruns are two different things, though. the playstyle will not be the same

[high island]

Tailesque used Rama, YKC used Beowulf.

[stoic flame]

high heat speedruns

[high island]

It's both. You have a timer.

[rapid forum]

true

TD3 is tight

[keen lichen]

is there a 64 video anywhere? max i could find was 60

[stoic flame]

faxx

[rapid forum]

there should be

[stoic flame]

max heat cleared is 60

[rapid forum]

forgot who cleared it

but he was using zeus shield

or my memory blinds me from the truth

[keen lichen]

what was "left out" in the 60 run? i couldn't see clearly in the video.

[prisma rivet]

Probably TD3

[void vigil]

64 routed was done by baj, but they took down the video

[rapid forum]

https://imgur.com/A7wcExG

this was tailesque set up

[prisma rivet]

Oh

[rapid forum]

any particular reason?

[high island]

I was the first person to do all weapons sub 10 at 32 Heat.

[keen lichen]

whats sub 10?

[rapid forum]

sub 10 mins

[keen lichen]

i can barely do sub 30 lol

i have probably two 20 something.

of all my 55 attempts

[rapid forum]

you'll get better

the skill ceiling is high

[high island]

My early clears were a lot like that, too. I didn't get much faster until I asked for tips in the server on how to beat maxed Tight Deadline.

[keen lichen]

i'm still fulfilling prophecies though, working on mirror (barely started the "other side" - only got the alternative reroll option to facilitate builds etc)

i've never actually tried to "speedrun"

i might start doing that once i'm done with everything, rewards etc.

i haven't bonded with anybody at all, for example

got megaera companion item basically.

i'm overflowing with ambrosia, but running low on liquor.

not even close to reaching the epilogue i think.

[floral ledge]

I'm in the same boat here

[keen lichen]

i wish i could get my 7yo into hades lmao, but i'm afraid she'll start trying to hack everything everywhere if i do

she watches me though, fighting hades and the bosses etc

[void vigil]

ive never tried to speedrun, my fastest time is about 15 minutes

it was just a very good run

[floral ledge]

except I already beat the game. But dunno if that's the epilogue, which I assume it isn't

[keen lichen]

people say the first successful clear/escape is the beginning of the game.

after a certain number of clears, you reach some kind of mid game, which starts another "goal".

i assume the reaching of that goal is the "epilogue"

[hollow hawk]

He wanted to get away from the game permanently

[hollow hawk]

No

[keen lichen]

but i don't know and i don't wanna spoil myself because i'm really enjoying the game

[hollow hawk]

Thats just the beginning

The epilogue is far far away

Theres an ending, and then there's an epilogue

[rapid forum]

welp

he deserves it

[hollow hawk]

yeah the grind for unseeded 61 heat got to him

[keen lichen]

my brother is really, really good at fps (i suck).
pro-level.

[hollow hawk]

hows that relevant to the convo..?

[keen lichen]

he played semi-professionally for a team in a championship and almost went to germany for a final

i'll get there

[hollow hawk]

oh, sure sure continue

[keen lichen]

at that point, though, he stopped enjoying the game which he loved (pubg - kabrok, if you wanna lookup)

[hollow hawk]

oh pubg, cool

[keen lichen]

though he was actually earning money, he left the team

[floral ledge]

No, I have unlocked every room in the house already, if that makes sense to you. Spoiler version: ||I already got mom and dad back together and I've been employed to escape for real.||

[hollow hawk]

i used to play it too, though not profesionally

[keen lichen]

and never played pubg a single time again after that

[chrome wharf]

you made the heat gauge cry. Happy?

[hollow hawk]

But yeah, the grind gets to you

[keen lichen]

the game just stopped being fun once he was "forced" to play regardless of wanting to, and pressured into winning etc.

[hollow hawk]

Now you can work towards the epilogue

[river vigil]

time to go for epilogue then

[floral ledge]

ye I'm on it

[prisma rivet]

I hear content creators quit games for this very same reason. I becomes your job rather than something you can do to relax

[river vigil]

yep

like its become a staple of their channel, they have to play all the time

it stops being fun when that happens

[keen lichen]

exactly.
i can assure you, from watching others and personal experience.

a job is a job.
you can work with something you like, but in all cases i know of, it becomes a "job" and no longer "something you enjoy"

[floral ledge]

One question, is it possible to get legendary versions of normal powers?

[void vigil]

no, they only go up to heroic - legendary is different

[hollow hawk]

though for baj it was far from this, it wasnt his job, just that he got addicted and wanted to pursue other things i believe

[keen lichen]

maybe unless it's part of your personality to play something indefinitely.

[floral ledge]

I see thx

[keen lichen]

||your mom|| will give you a new goal if she hasn't already

[floral ledge]

she has

I assumed that was what the epilogue aimed towards, but you never know

[keen lichen]

my current belief (which i can't be sure is right - honestly don't wanna be sure - i wanna learn by playing) is that the epilogue is reached once you reach that goal

since after that i don't think there can still be conflicts

it also starts a "prophecy" (which obviously can be fulfilled)

you can see that reaching that goal will require a good amount of ||liquor|| which indicates it will take some runs to complete.

i mean ||nectar|| lol

[river vigil]

this is a random question but, are there any character that has different sprites in the early access?

cus i just found out nyx used to be hooded in her sprite

[hollow hawk]

Yes

[floral ledge]

any tips for leveling stuff without compromising my winrate again?

[hollow hawk]

Almost all of the cthonic gods were different iirc

The wiki has the old sprites I think

[river vigil]

oh damn

[hollow hawk]

keepsakes?

[floral ledge]

kinda feeling bad because I also ran harpy duster until i died

ye

[hollow hawk]

Equip them in styx, every small chamber in there counts as a room, so you can easily get like 20-30 rooms if you do all 5 tunnels

[floral ledge]

hmmm

[hollow hawk]

plus by styx you'll already have a good build, so you wont be at risk of dying as much

[river vigil]

huh everyone had a hood haha

[floral ledge]

good idea

tyty

I was doing it wrong then xD

[keen lichen]

does every room in styx actually count as an "encounter" for all purposes? i had the impression they didn't.

[hollow hawk]

yes

i believe butterfly keepsake and plume are the only exceptions

[river vigil]

they do

[hollow hawk]

||Mom pom|| counts it

[keen lichen]

oh yeah i know at least some mechanics count them all

[last cradle]

hermes money does too right?

[keen lichen]

but, for example, does the dodge chance feather count them all?

[hollow hawk]

Rare crop does too

[hollow hawk]

Yes

[hollow hawk]

No, check my above message

[hollow hawk]

..

[keen lichen]

oh got it. thanks. yeah those two would be pretty op.

especially dodge chance

[floral ledge]

I just unlocked the spear hidden aspect... now I just need a stack of 9 bloods

[keen lichen]

with hermes boon and zag fists you get near invulnerability pretty easy.

[hollow hawk]

Congrats! I wouldn't recommend running it without leveling it up though

[keen lichen]

if you are capable of having fun in adverse conditions, try that spear without powering it up

[hollow hawk]

The health deficit is pretty serious at early levels

[floral ledge]

lol I don't think that would be positive

[keen lichen]

i was totally pumped because of the "life steal" but couldn't get past elysium.

the armored guys got me

[floral ledge]

yeah well it says max HP down massively so...

[hollow hawk]

Life steal is fine but don't rely on it, would be my advice

[keen lichen]

what is that spear good for theen?

[floral ledge]

I want to draw that a little down

[keen lichen]

i always assumed it was because of the life steal

[hollow hawk]

Try to use the special and dash strike to damage enemies, and just use the spin when you're low on health

[floral ledge]

I'm assuming the special moveset

[hollow hawk]

For the spin?

[keen lichen]

can you elaborate what's so good in that spin?

[floral ledge]

If there's something I learnt from Dark souls, it's that damage doesn't matter if moveset rocks

[river vigil]

i mean the main appeal is the spin, but a special build is what gy is amazing at

[hollow hawk]

hades spear is pretty good, it's spin is huge, and with some spin hammers you can do some serious damage

[river vigil]

well it helps you negate the low life, with its lifesteal, and its pretty chonky dmg

[keen lichen]

i noticed its base damage is good

[hollow hawk]

In the guan yu spin? Theres nothing really amazing, just that it gets you more hp. The main damage dealing part of guan yu is the special

[keen lichen]

yeah and i also like that you just throw the spear and it's auto back on your hands

[hollow hawk]

The special doesnt need to be retrived, and deals more damage than other spears

[floral ledge]

wait it's also a 3 hit combo like the sword...

❤️

[hollow hawk]

With charged skewer (the best guan yu hammer, arguably) and a good build you can one shot almost any enemy in the game

[floral ledge]

IDK this spear might be my first aspect ngl

[hollow hawk]

the base guan yu attack combo isnt that good

its slow, and deals little damage for the time it takes

[river vigil]

guan yu basic attacks are eh, dash strikes is prime for spears

[keen lichen]

it is necessary to unlock guan yu first to unlock the other hidden aspects

[river vigil]

yes

[keen lichen]

so guan yu is the first hidden aspect unlocked by all players necessarily afaik

[river vigil]

without gy you wouldnt be able to get any of the hidden aspects

[keen lichen]

my favorite spear hammer is 3-attacks on dash

so the guan yu way is charged skewer and just pretend you're playing heris bow? @hollow hawk

[rapid forum]

exploding launcher for me

[floral ledge]

I mean, for the spear. I don't an aspect for the spear yet

[rapid forum]

I call it boomstick build

[floral ledge]

I'm wondering if I should spoil myself on how to unlock these aspects, I might be wasting blood on the wrong stuff

[keen lichen]

if you use all weapons equally, i'd say you don't have to worry.

you will meet the requirements and unlock them all without need to actively try.,

[floral ledge]

yeah I tend to play the one with the extra rewards buff

nice

[keen lichen]

yeah, i only play the weapon which is thirsting.

well. let me go back on that.
depending on your personality, you might never unlock the guan yu lol (i would never unlock guan yu if i didn't look it up)

so i'm not gonna say you should spoil it, but I did and i don't regret spoiling that

has no connection to the story itself afaik

that's because my plan was to spend absolutly zero titan blood until i had all weapos unlocked.

||but it's necessary to spend titan blood in a certain way in order to unlock guan yu||

[floral ledge]

How come? You should achieve it just by playing

oooh

[floral ledge]

I see

[keen lichen]

||and it's also necessary to spend titan blood to unlock the rest too||

because of my personality, i wanted to spend as few blood as possible, only in order to unlock everything

and only then, after i tried everything and came to a favorite, i'd start spending titan blood on my favorites.

so if i didn't look it up, i'd never have unlocked any of the hidden aspects, probably.
maybe once i had reached the epilogue etc, no more story, and seeing no aspects were revealed, i'd start spending, ||and then the aspects would start getting revealed||

[high island]

Those were just placeholder sprites.

[rapid forum]

I'm gonna make some bad choices

athena chiron

[river vigil]

i see

[keen lichen]

to stack deflection into the enemies?

[rapid forum]

boredom

[keen lichen]

i wonder what would be the worst possible build

[stoic flame]

all posiedon on fists

🥴

not talos

[keen lichen]

though nothing beats merciful end against bosses on sword/fists/shield so far for faster attack+dash, i believe i have enjoyed poseidon multiple knockbacks quite much. probably on shield iirc.

never tried merciful end with bow

maybe with that hammer that lets you fire without need to charge

[high island]

@lilac pumice base sword Flurry Slash boonless vs. Gilgamesh boonless—which is worse?

[keen lichen]

i haven't tried gilgamesh because of this server

i was so pumped to try it. looked feral.

but it woulld probably be an experience similar to my stock guan yu

suffering

[high island]

Monkey wants to know what the worst possible build is. I think those are the two contenders.

Gilgamesh is fun. You should try it.

It's also very much what I was hoping the 4th fists would not be, but it can still be a lot of fun, and it's certainly unique.

[hollow hawk]

i think the worst possible build is one that kills you quickest + makes it harder to deal the already terrible damage you're dealing

So something like cursed slash

[rapid forum]

One run My friend chose the boons for me, he doesn't play the game at all

[high island]

Cursed Slash is better than Flurry Slash, though.

[rapid forum]

Hidden sword with ares

[hollow hawk]

I suppose it does heal you

hmm

[rapid forum]

It was hell

[high island]

It also doesn't screw you over when you just want to Dash-Strike.

[hollow hawk]

actually what about flurry slash with common tempest strike?

That makes it harder to deal damage

[high island]

I don't know the knockback on that tbh.

[keen lichen]

lol. that can actually be fun.

[lilac pumice]

Flurry slash is worse, at least you can do decent maim damage with gilga

[high island]

Oh yeah, good point.

[keen lichen]

i once blew a merciful end sword build with flurry slash (for a prophecy)

[high island]

There, you heard it from the master of melee himself. Base sword Flurry Slash it is.

You'd think Guan Yu spin build with Tempest Strike would be terrible because it knocks enemies away from the spin that's supposed to heal you, but the knockback is so strong, it's actually incredibly effective when you get it going with t2 boons.

[keen lichen]

what's a t2 boon? boon that requires other boons to be offered? (like rupture or double knockback)

[high island]

Tier 2, yeah.

[hollow hawk]

Yeah with something like razor shoals or sea storm, tempest strike spins can deal dmg

fsBrain did it in one of his all weps runs, and it was fine

[high island]

If you push them against a wall, the spin also keeps knocking them into the wall over and over lol.

For wall-slam damage.

[keen lichen]

does the spin not "disappear" when it hits a wall?

[high island]

No, it bounces off the wall.

[keen lichen]

i always tend to think knockback isn't too useful because of armored foes (and bosses)

though it's certainly satisfying to watch

dashing around the encounters slamming foes around

[high island]

You want to space it so it doesn't hit the wall or just barely hits the wall, anyway, to knock them into the wall over and over.

[keen lichen]

isn't zeus shield even better than guan yu for that?

after all if you measure properly it stays there

and you can also call it back smartly to catch foes on pursuit

[high island]

The knockback isn't anywhere near as good, pretty sure.

Zeus is def the way stronger aspect, anyway.

[keen lichen]

so zeus shield is considered a top aspect?

best shield aspect i assume?

[hollow hawk]

it depends on your play

No

Id say the best shield is hidden shield

But zeus is definitely no.2

[keen lichen]

really? i was quite disappointed by beowulf. like: cool, but ineffective.
i must've played it wrong then

[hollow hawk]

passion or flood flare with beo is very good

[keen lichen]

hmm. shield and knockback sound fun at least. i'll definitely try it next time the shield thirsts.

what signet? poseidon first?

[hollow hawk]

probably yeah

[keen lichen]

what boons in order?

[hollow hawk]

then try to force zeus for sea storm

[keen lichen]

sea storm = lightning on knockback?

[hollow hawk]

Yep

its a duo

between zeus and poseidon

[keen lichen]

gotta boon attack/special with knockback/lightning?

[hollow hawk]

nya what essay are you writing im scared

[high island]

Zeus is probably #1 for high heat and potentially for speedruns. The thing is Beowulf is way more popular and figured-out, whereas the only player who can claim he plays Zeus Aspect anywhere near optimal is Baj, and he always emphasized he still got a lot to learn himself.

[keen lichen]

for the duo?

[hollow hawk]

Yep

[high island]

They're both top tier, anyway.

[keen lichen]

i really like zeus shielld

[hollow hawk]

i think cast and call count too for sea storm, but check in the codex to be sure

Zeus shield is fun, i agree

[keen lichen]

beowulf is the "coolest" but i didnt do well with it

what do you guys get for cast and call when not necessary for build?
i usually go with artemis for both

[hollow hawk]

zeus shield has a very very high skill ceiling, as nya said

[manic bobcat]

Try dio

On beo

[high island]

Maybe if I was on PC, it could have been an essay in that time lol.

[hollow hawk]

So theres always stuff to improve, even for the best player with jt

[keen lichen]

attack or special?

[high island]

Cast.

[hollow hawk]

mobile typing is always a pain

[keen lichen]

oh the fog lob?

[high island]

With Stygian Soul.

[hollow hawk]

dio cast works best on beo with stygian soul and extra casts from chaos

[keen lichen]

can chaos boons be heroic/legendary? (i never got any of those)

[hollow hawk]

Legendary yes

Choas has a legendary boon that is very rare

It requires you to have a chaos boon already, and it gives a dd

like, it doesnt fill your dds, it gives you an extra one

[keen lichen]

what's a dd?

[high island]

Either anything that unlocks a Duo Boon I want or anything that doesn't unlock a Duo Boon I don't want or any good Call I come across.

Don't care much for Cast in a build that doesn't care about Cast.

Phalanx Shot is always decent for Deflect.

[keen lichen]

but don't you have to get a cast to make gods stop offering casts and start offering other stuff? (duo boonns)

[hollow hawk]

Death defiance

[high island]

Or you can just keep ignoring the Cast they offer until the other two options aren't any better.

[hollow hawk]

Its not necessary, but it helps your odds of getting duos or other boons

[keen lichen]

yeah i always try to fill the priority asap

[high island]

Well, it hurts your odds of getting any specific Duo you want if taking the Cast unlocks other boons.

Your top priority should be getting the primary source of damage you want, which is usually one out of Attack, Special, or Cast.

And then, you probably want a good Dash or a Duo to go with it or both.

And then, just t2 boons that synergize with what you have and lots of poms on anything with good pom scaling.

Some builds want two out Attack, Special, and Cast. Like Chiron wants an Attack and a Special that have good synergy, and then just their Duo, poms, and t2 stuff that helps.

And a good Dash.

[keen lichen]

yeah if i'm playing sword, shield or fists i try to get ares attack, athena special or athena dash (to lock god) in that order. then i try artemis call or cast (just to get rid of priority offer)

[karmic hare]

How much time passes for zag during the game

[high island]

Skip Lady Artemis for that build. Focus on getting Merciful End, then get Impending Doom.

And lots of poms on Curse of Agony and on Impending Doom.

[keen lichen]

but shouldn't i rather lock a "good god" instead of a "bad one" for the build, like dyonisius or demeter?

[high island]

....did you just call Lady Aphrodite a bad god?

[rapid forum]

oh no

what have you done?

[river vigil]

ooh god

well mate you done goof

[keen lichen]

rofl

it was a typo

i'm sorry

i don't know what happened. no idea.

[manic bobcat]

right

[rapid forum]

right

[karmic hare]

Sure

[keen lichen]

i mean, flower is the keepsake that i maxed out first

poster was the first renovation for the bed chamber

[karmic hare]

~you are about to be killed~

[high island]

Don't apologize to me. You can apologize to her.

https://discord.gg/aNwD6udwBg

[manic bobcat]

It's okay you can say Artemis is

[keen lichen]

i'm confused. is lady aphrodite in that server or something?

[manic bobcat]

It's her VA Discord

[high island]

Yes. That's her server.

[karmic hare]

How much time passes for zag compared to time irl like is one minute 10 minutes or what

[manic bobcat]

I think at least a human war?

[craggy tundra]

Can you get the same boon offered more than once?

[manic bobcat]

Because Ares mentioning a war breaking out

[craggy tundra]

I turned down a boon I really like in favour of one that will help me

[manic bobcat]

And then escalated

Yes

[craggy tundra]

Can I maybe get it offered again later?

I can? Wonderful!

[manic bobcat]

Yup

[craggy tundra]

Brilliant, thank you

[manic bobcat]

Unlikely, but entirely possible. Good luck.

[craggy tundra]

Thanks! I turned down Artemis Aid for something else, so, alas

[manic bobcat]

Well ig it depends on what you have. Once I had a blade dash that refused to leave me alone

So ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen lichen]

oh. now let me tell you (and her): aphrodite's is probably the best voice in the game.

honestly btw.

(not that i was not honest before. you know.)

[floral ledge]

IMO Meg is the best voice acting

Or...

mur...de...rer........ MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!

[high island]

It's probably more or less comic book time, so who knows. Whatever is convenient for the plot at the time.

[high island]

"Probably"?

[keen lichen]

lol. well there are many good voices.

i like hades' too and the narrator. megaera, artemis.

[high island]

Heresy.

[keen lichen]

i lost it when she tried to speak ||zag-ree-uss|| lol

[frozen granite]

urg i hate the guy with shield so much

he alone used up 2 of my death defiant

[keen lichen]

welcome to the club

[brisk trail]

Heyo

[signal aspen]

heyo

[brisk trail]

Newish player, I'm not new to these kinds of games, but I did get into hades not too long ago

[floral ledge]

the real deal is bull boy. without bull boy, shield kid has nothing to do

[brisk trail]

Fr I usually take out the bull first then focus on the spear dude

[high island]

#h1-for-new-players is the spoiler-free channel.

[brisk trail]

Nah I beat the game I'm good

Thx though

[keen lichen]

i don't think you did if you're "newish"

takes a while to finish the game.

[floral ledge]

Newish player
I beat the game

[brisk trail]

I got into the game about a month or so ago

So hence the ish

[floral ledge]

bro, a month is plenty of time

[brisk trail]

Is it? Well alright then

[high island]

Start fight > press up on d-pad > immediately summon Meg > 2.5k damage to both.

[keen lichen]

game over ...if meg was infinite

[manic bobcat]

we don't have to gatekeep but
if you want to be spoiler free, #h1-for-new-players
anything goes, here is great

[keen lichen]

i have a tendency to not use limited things btw. a personality trait i need to work on.

[manic bobcat]

that's about all the distinctions needed

[high island]

A month in is very new-ish still.

[manic bobcat]

save all the potions for the end

[brisk trail]

Lemme rephrase, I beat hades a few times now, twice with sheild, once with swird

[manic bobcat]

hoard it like a dragon

[brisk trail]

So in some sense I best it, in others I didnt

[keen lichen]

then you haven't even reached mid game

[frozen granite]

the bull is easy

[keen lichen]

it takes more escapes than 5 to progress in the story

[brisk trail]

You just keep behind the pillers while focusing on the bull, then the shield guy is super easy to me

[high island]

There are rumors of players here who've played since Early Access and have over 1k hours in the game. So one month is very new.

[frozen granite]

hit him from the back does not work as well as it supposed to be

[brisk trail]

For some reason sometimes I hit him in front and he takes damage

[manic bobcat]

you can certainly hit him when his shield is down

you can hit him while he's charging his spear

just dodge the spear point blank

[frozen granite]

i hit him from every where, front, back, side, etc...

its always "blocked blocked blocked hit"

[brisk trail]

Hey I got a question, and I'm a bit worried about the answer since it's my favorite weapon, but is the shield overpowered?

[frozen granite]

and his melee attack has almost 0 wind up

[high island]

Where is #hades-for-noob-players for you?

[frozen granite]

thats why the bull is way easier for me cuz that guy is balance and not weird

[high island]

Nope.

[brisk trail]

Awesome

[covert zenith]

Shield is a pretty strong weapon

[brisk trail]

I felt it could be since I can block everything

[keen lichen]

unless he's invulnerable shorty on 50% health calling his god, he can be hit from the back

[covert zenith]

But none are overpowered

[high island]

If you think something is too easy, add more Heat.

[brisk trail]

I recently got the zeus upgrade for me shield and I'm having a great tkme

[keen lichen]

what i do is one of two:

1. bait spear throw then pummel backside while he's walking away like a loser.
2. bait spear spin then dash to his back and pummel until next spin.

[high island]

That's probably what Theseus thought, too.

[keen lichen]

best heat is extreme measures. best fun. because of new mechanics and interactions etc.

[brisk trail]

Probably lol

[keen lichen]

i can't wait until i have the balls to extreme measures theseus and hades.

[brisk trail]

Hades is a douche

[high island]

Just do it now.

[brisk trail]

Stupid hands

[keen lichen]

i just don't wanna give theseus the taste of beating me

[brisk trail]

I can do it pretty decent as long as I'm cautious if werent for those stupid hands

[high island]

If you want to do it, do it.

Fear is for the weak.

[keen lichen]

lol

@high island you're wild.
i know you're a fan of aphrodite, but you're probably "closest" (in "being") to artemis.

[high island]

[rapid forum]

[signal aspen]

bruh

[brisk trail]

Ooh cool emotes I forgot lemme look at whatcha got

[high island]

https://imgur.com/W5NAKRF

[manic bobcat]

[brisk trail]

Bro why do I constantly get murder chick ;.; I wanna fight literally anyone else at this point

[manic bobcat]

just clap her

[brisk trail]

I usually do

[nimble crow]

hello everyone! ive read faq but didnt found solution to my problem. Can i transfer switch progress to pc?

[keen lichen]

i like the three of them equally.

but i might prefer the "other two" than megaera

[manic bobcat]

which is? also you might want to try #h1-tech-support if it's technical

[brisk trail]

Im starting to hate murder chick tbh, she freaked me out first time fighting her lmao

[nimble crow]

ok ty

[keen lichen]

i mean, i like alecto's pure hate and also tisiphone's trying to speak lol

[high island]

Alecto is kind, wdym.

[brisk trail]

The screen going dark I thought for sure she could still attack me, I didn't know it was a stage transition

[keen lichen]

in this case, who's mean?

[manic bobcat]

you, the player

for disturbing the peace

killing innocent shades

[keen lichen]

well, valid point.

[manic bobcat]

stealing from vendors

and get away scot free from all of it

[keen lichen]

i did steal from the shop owner and also gave him a beating now that i think about it

[manic bobcat]

literally because you are the son of the boss

[keen lichen]

and literally beat him until he spit out a discount card if that wasn't enough

wow

[manic bobcat]

you, the player, are the villain all along

[keen lichen]

i never stopped to think

the charon thing is actually brutal

[high island]

Why are you stealing Charon's lunch money?

[manic bobcat]

bully is cool, i guess

[keen lichen]

but you have to admit, charon is harder than hades

[high island]

He's not.

[cerulean ferry]

He has strong hands that's why

[brisk trail]

I haven't fought Charon yet

[high island]

You have more experience fighting Hades.

[keen lichen]

well i can dodge everything BUT the clouds.
i can't dodge those clouds unless i have 3+ dodges, which i usually don't

i tried it once. result: 0 dds left and 25% health left before fighting the fury

made it to elysium, as usual

died to shield guys or something

[manic bobcat]

in general, never fight a mofo with an oar, both Karen and the Edge in Furi are formidable foes.

[brisk trail]

I hate the final level before hades, where you gotta get Cerberus his treats, stupid poison

[high island]

Well, you chose to fight him well before you had a real build in the run.

[brisk trail]

That's where most of my Dds go

[rapid forum]

that's the fun :3

[brisk trail]

I assume dds is death defieants?

[rapid forum]

ye

[manic bobcat]

defie ants

[high island]

Taking the Broken Spearpoint will help with poison.

[brisk trail]

Yeah then I was right, most of mine are lost from that stupid level

[manic bobcat]

https://cdn2.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/1/1a/632Durant.png/250px-632Durant.png

[brisk trail]

Why can I not block poison

Lol

[high island]

This you?

[keen lichen]

but i still think there's a way, through positioning, and learning how the clouds spawn, to be able to dodge them reliably

[high island]

There is.

[manic bobcat]

that's a defie ant

[high island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuE9jZRHhlU

[keen lichen]

yeah i know i just haven't learned charon's clouds

[brisk trail]

I love these kinda of games, where you learn the patterns and it rewards you for it, like eventually you'll never get hit if you keep playing and play smart

But if you screw up you pay for it

[keen lichen]

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