nvm
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
just get zeus atk like on any rail except hestia
stoic flame
lucifer with pos attack and sea storms is fun
royal thistle
yes
anyways the most meh boon is honestly zeus cast
it's just meh..
all the time
stoic flame
flood shot good
royal thistle
it's like mist dash
at least it isn't drunken dash
😭 when your athena dash gets replaced with uncommon drunken
p a i n
run is over
brisk trail
work with what you get 🙂
high island
Electric Shot is great.
prisma rivet
Can confirm
high island
You can cancel out of it like normal, but that just means Quake Cutter does nothing at all. I've been meaning to actually build around it since the buff that allows it to apply status effects, but I somehow never got around to it.
I feel like it needs to do double the damage it does now and in a wider AOE to be even interesting.
And more stun.
Well, it does nothing now anyway because why wouldn't you Dash-Upper.
royal thistle
(I mean the quake does more then 2x the damage of the upper)
since upper is 30 damage x2
and quake is just a flat 90 damage
and dash upper is just a flat 40 damage
150 base damage vs 40 base damage
what you choosin
high island
I don't think you appreciate how absolutely garbage that hammer is.
royal thistle
it's why the yoyo build with talos isn't complete rubbish
like man I dislike quake cutter
using it feels kinda uncool
but it does deal a lot of damage
high island
You should cancel your Special immediately after applying the debuff, before the Uppercut comes out, if you want any DPS.
With Talos.
It doesn't do "a lot" for how slow it is.
royal thistle
it's not as slow as you think..
but it's not fast either
it takes around 1 second give or take
high island
it's not as slow as you think..
Bruh, I defined Malphon meta lol.
royal thistle
sure..
quake cutter isn't too good but it isn't bad either
I'd put it around the same place as rising cutter
or a bit higher
the bad thing about quake cutter is it just doesn't feel right
I mean they can buff the speed but like.. it doesn't really need a buff
or make it work with dash uppers too
high island
You might wanna study the Malphon meta and get a lot more experience before you start putting hammers in tiers.
royal thistle
imagine if they made kinetic like quake where it cancels upon dashing and can't dash upper
I mean 80% of my time in hades was with fists
high island
I stand by what I said.
royal thistle
anyways rush kick is the most fun hammer
but quake cutter is utter garbage for rta
the slowdown frames makes you feel like ur watching a movie and canceling it is pain..
sudden jay
what are some good builds or things i should go for
i always find myself annoyingly low on health
and when im not i feel like i take no damage for a while and then lose like half my health in a second
royal thistle
you could use arthur or pick up more hearts
golden turtle
I really wished “caster” Duos work with the other casts
Like Poseidon And Demeter can work from Crystal Beam
royal thistle
mmm imagine doom lazers hahhaha..
lazers that knockaway would be actually horrible
but yeah wish there were multiple duos
with the same duo
so freezing vortex isn't the only option
demeter duos are like crap or crystal clarity choose
dusky wedge
and when im not i feel like i take no damage for a while and then lose like half...
Aim for 250-300hp by the last boss fight, if you feel like you need more health than this, then you’re probably taking way more damage than you should
Which means, your dodging skills needs working
For starters, Divine Dash is always good. You’ll want to move on from Divine Dash after a while to try out other stuffs, but only if you want to
vapid narwhal
defeat 1st and 4th boss with each weapon
you get more opportunities with the endgame system after defeating the 4th boss
dusky wedge
And that counts for every different weapons as well, different weapons gives new chances to get Titan Bloods on bosses you’ve defeated before with another weapon
royal thistle
B) learned how to post images via link then realized I got exactly like 0 images
3 more realistically
vapid narwhal
it's just the starting process
roguelikes are designed to be played that way, i.e do the same/similar run with different boons, weapons and playstyle
and you get progression from doing so
rapid creek
roguelikes are designed to be played that way, i.e do the same/similar run with ...
i beat the 1st boss with every weapon, so now i just gotta beat the big angery guy to get more?
vapid narwhal
yes, the next blood reward is at the 4th boss
1st blood, 2nd diamond, 3rd ambrosia, 4th blood
check the trader at the bottom right corner of the lounge after every run, he might occasionally have a special trade offer
rapid creek
should i trade ambrosia for TB, cuz ive seen the offer but idk how good ambrosia is
dusky wedge
Ambrosia is for maxing out relationship with NPCs, useful for getting their companions and nothing else really
Later game stuffs, it’s fine if you wanna focus on blood first for now
hollow hawk
id recommend you to, yeah
void vigil
according to the wiki, you will need 151 ambrosia total, so keep that in mind
hollow hawk
You'll have enough ambrosia later on
hollow hawk
according to the wiki, you will need 151 ambrosia total, so keep that in mind
woah, is that for maxing every relationship?
sounds like it lol
void vigil
maxing every relationship, upgrading every companion, buying both themes and the ranks
if you only include relationships and companions its still 116 ambrosia
robust scaffold
u dont need to max out all companions tbf
dusky wedge
I got all my weapons maxed out before I even finish half of the heat bounties and now I have an excess of 30 bloods I don’t know what else to use for lmao
SGG, let me downgrade back to gems please lmao
void vigil
but why wouldnt you max out all your companions, it looks so nice 
and that way you can use whichever one you want anytime
tired peak
u dont need to max out all companions tbf
especially if you’re me and always forget to use them anyway
void vigil
when i had 1 charge i would always save it so much that i forgot to use it, but now theyre extremely useful to me when i maxed them out
i always use them in the same places so i remember to use them
which companion do people here use? i use antos because its a guaranteed hit, and i also find it amusing that theyll hit zag if theres nothing else to hit
dusky wedge
All my charges are usually used on Styx, so, yeah, most of the time, it’s batty for me
tired peak
i should probably start spamming summons in styx too, there are some rather annoying rooms there
obtuse lark
i usually go to boss rooms first, then i switch to normal rooms (i feel like boss rooms are a lot easier for most of the weapons).
gray dust
What time is it?
void vigil
i also go for the miniboss rooms first, though theyre a little harder with middle management because theres two minibosses instead of one
void vigil
theres this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8
stoic flame
very thank
dusky wedge
i usually go to boss rooms first, then i switch to normal rooms (i feel like bos...
Iirc Styx boss rooms is where the sack usually is
brisk trail
sack has nothin to do with boss rooms or not
but boss rooms are just faster to clear
dusky wedge
What if they make a dlc or update including a Hercules boss
Yeah, we’ve seen this a lot in the past 
Good idea nonetheless, wouldn’t mind herakles
dusky wedge
sack has nothin to do with boss rooms or not
Really now? Huh, ok
unreal loom
The only Hercules thing we have in the moment are his weights which are just decoration to our room
dusky wedge
Because I think I saw someone said it but maybe I’m mistaken
brisk trail
I feel like heat runners would know about that and I never heard this from anyone
onyx skiff
killing hades with a divine dash dashing straight against him, so you emerge back to back, is so epic
dusky wedge
Backstab galore
onyx skiff
sick ridge
when you die you gain bonus damage after death defiance
onyx skiff
oh the ares boon
do you tend to die multiple times in one room?
it doesnt stack though
obtuse lark
Iirc Styx boss rooms is where the sack usually is
usually the second room you explore gives you the sack.
tawdry gazelle
Hello guys, first run hell mode hades fight, what's the best keepsake ? Thados teeth or the Eurydice keepsake ?
Thanks :-)
stoic flame
for hades fight i always take acorn
tawdry gazelle
for hades fight i always take acorn
Thanks ! However my acorn is lvl 2 and my teeth lvl 3
Is acorn better tho ?
So that's 4 attacks vs 100 HP revive
I have my 3 revives btw
stoic flame
i feel like acorn is better because i never use more than 2 revives in the fight
tawdry gazelle
I do use more xD
4 revives wasn't enough last time
But i was wondering since he has a lot of dmg
If acorn isn't just better to survive
granite ether
acorn will on average give you more effective hp in the hades fight than the tooth will
brisk trail
ocean dad tutorial
stoic flame
wait what how do u have only 45 hp
unreal atlas
GY level 1 with Cerberus Collar
The only way I see
...I'm dumb, GY level 4 exists
stoic flame
maybe max guan yu with only 90 hp with thick skin
unreal atlas
Or some ungodly combination of non-maxed both
karmic hare
acorn will on average give you more effective hp in the hades fight than the too...
I'm going to science the science out of all of you
Acorn 5 times where you don't take damage, what if you get hit by one of the weak minions, can block very high damage or low damage depending on what you get hit by
Skelly's tooth, 100 hp plus whatever leftover damage there is when you die e.g you are on 1 hp and take an attack the deals 40 damage it negates 39 damage
Cerberus collar gives 50 hp plus 25 for each death defiance you have or plus 16 for stubborn defiance(worth more if in high heat level due to hits dealing more damage)
karmic hare
I'm going to science the science out of all of you
Acorn 5 times where you don't...
@tawdry gazelle this is a guide for you to make your own decision on
tawdry gazelle
Actuallyyyyy
I beat him with acorn
Right now
And died
To persephone
I was surprised there was 0 credits
stoic flame
if you need the tooth to beat hades you are 100% gonna get hit by hades before he spawns his smol minions
and he hits like a truck
granite ether
keep playing, the first clear is just the beginning ^_^
tawdry gazelle
Yeah but actually doing it in heat 5 through hell mode was probably an error it's frustrating to be unable to set myself which heat settings I want
brisk trail
acorn gets more worth if you got HL
tawdry gazelle
Too bad I can't unlock it
brisk trail
ok so it is more worth lmao
stoic flame
wwait ur playing hell mode right off the bat?
tawdry gazelle
Yep
stoic flame
🥴
tawdry gazelle
I did toggle hell mode on the beginning bc why not
And I'm happy to beat Hades in hell mode on a first run but now I think of other weapons and I'm lazy xD
unborn remnant
Hades
stoic flame
hades.
karmic hare
Hades
tawdry gazelle
Oh I thought of something
Is there some files I could grab with a single run finished ? Or anyway to edit my save to remove hell mode ?
Or maybe I should just do a fresh run from 0 which may look frustrating but I'm better at the game now so it should be easy in normal mode
karmic hare
Why would you no longer want hell mode
tawdry gazelle
Well
karmic hare
After you beat Hades the first time the pact of punishment unlocks
robust scaffold
with only a single run finished u lose almost nothing by starting a new save
tawdry gazelle
Previous heat options
robust scaffold
so just make a new one
stoic flame
this is true
tawdry gazelle
A lot of time wasted though lol
robust scaffold
ye it is pretty annoying but im used to it already
robust scaffold
A lot of time wasted though lol
oh
karmic hare
Or keep going with hell mode and remember when you 100% game that you did it on hell mode
robust scaffold
And I'm happy to beat Hades in hell mode on a first run but now I think of other...
i thought u were on ur first run..
stoic flame
But clearing hades took me 60 runs
took me 43 on normal mode dont beat urself over it
brisk trail
I get it you do need to grind up darkness and all that again
robust scaffold
i dont understand
tawdry gazelle
To clear the first hades fight
stoic flame
they mean first save file
tawdry gazelle
It took me so much tries
tawdry gazelle
Yes
stoic flame
yes
rapid creek
guys
tawdry gazelle
I get it you do need to grind up darkness and all that again
Yeah that's my point
robust scaffold
i heard something about there being save files that the devs have
tawdry gazelle
Or keep going with hell mode and remember when you 100% game that you did it on ...
Indeed that's a possibility lol
robust scaffold
there r also maxed save files too in speedrun iirc
rapid creek
aw
tawdry gazelle
there r also maxed save files too in speedrun iirc
That's exact but that's too much
robust scaffold
also, i think it gets a lot easier past the first clear
rapid creek
how do i beat poison
robust scaffold
how do i beat poison
there should be a fountain thingy somewhere
go to it and interact
stoic flame
what weapon
rapid creek
sword
stoic flame
dash strike
rapid creek
sometimes with any weapon
stoic flame
sword and spear u just have to dash strike
robust scaffold
i think u take %dmg boons on sword
tawdry gazelle
Oh I know
stoic flame
zag sword is anyways mid af
tawdry gazelle
Can't i cheat ? Like use the godmode on a fresh save file to recover my previous progress quickly and then go back to a fully moddable pact of punishment when I recovered all the stuff ?
rapid creek
whats the strongest zag weapon tho
stoic flame
fists imo
robust scaffold
Can't i cheat ? Like use the godmode on a fresh save file to recover my previous...
that still takes a lot of time lol
stoic flame
zag fists are really good
tawdry gazelle
that still takes a lot of time lol
Ugh
rapid creek
zag fists are really good
do i use the heavys a lot? or just basic atk
robust scaffold
aha
rapid creek
zag fists need to be levelled up
whats the leveling gon do
robust scaffold
wait nvm thats for recovering lost saves
rapid creek
plume?
stoic flame
and if u get some hermes boons
robust scaffold
oh nvm u might be able to ask them for save files
stoic flame
and if u get some hermes boons
u potentially get 30% dodge chance extra over the 40 u already have
its op
robust scaffold
well not really op
rapid creek
how
stoic flame
its good
robust scaffold
its good if u get hit but it doesnt add dmg
rapid creek
so like make youself untouchable
robust scaffold
yea thats the plan
stoic flame
i dont think there is a way to get 100% dodge tho
robust scaffold
it is fun to play i had a few runs with it
robust scaffold
i dont think there is a way to get 100% dodge tho
with ruthless reflex u get 100 lol
stoic flame
lol
robust scaffold
with greater evasion heroic u might be able to get it too hmm
stoic flame
thats 40% iirc
rapid creek
wait w o t 100% evasion rate???
brisk trail
anyway if you miss dps might wanna look at your boon and general build choices
brisk trail
you also have second wind
rapid creek
so if its 100% you dodge everything?
brisk trail
if its 100% ur unkillable yeah
robust scaffold
well 30% is a little high tbh
stoic flame
okay yeah
brisk trail
thats rly hard to get tho
rapid creek
thats literally breaking the game tho
stoic flame
25 is realistic
brisk trail
nah
robust scaffold
closer to 20% lol
rapid creek
ah
stoic flame
not really
brisk trail
other stuffs more broke
stoic flame
i always manage to get 25
rapid creek
like wot
brisk trail
dps thats so high that you dont even get hit in th first place
robust scaffold
dps thats so high that you dont even get hit in th first place
not true >:(
rapid creek
what weapon?
stoic flame
eris rail
robust scaffold
i always manage to get 25
hmm okay
stoic flame
gets insane dps
robust scaffold
well 25+15+30 is 70 which is already good
stoic flame
also rama with triple shot and that one hammer which makes close shots higher damage does insane damage
brisk trail
every weapon has high dmg potential tbh
but eris is faaaast
merciful end is also a broken thing I'd say
robust scaffold
yea it is really hard to get
stoic flame
yeah i always struggle to get rocket for some reason
calm pelican
what does ambiguity bonus do?
signal aspen
Nothing
stoic flame
emotional support
signal aspen
Does blood friendly stack
No
signal aspen
how do i beat poison
The broken spear point from Patroclus helps a lot with poison
tawdry gazelle
Why would you no longer want hell mode
I will finally keep sticking to hell mode whatever haha. If I had an advice to give to a new player it would be to avoid this mode tho but i grinded too much so whatever
Thanks for your advices
karmic hare
i smort
brisk trail
now you get to flex to your friends
high island
I kinda like Hell mode for a change of pace sometimes.
high island
It's a new engine.
cyan tiger
what is hell mode?
cerulean ferry
You start at 1 heat
brisk trail
at 5 actually
robust scaffold
hahaha
keen lichen
is hell mode llike "new game+"?
manic bobcat
is hades custom engine?
Yes, but you can find out more about the engine here.
Hades is mentioned at the bottom.
unborn remnant
I've never seen hell mode
what are the conditions?
5 heat doesnt seem that bad, is it bad?
signal aspen
its hl1 lc1 js1 cp1 and personal liability
manic bobcat
HL1 LC1 JS1 CP1 and PL
keen lichen
while looking up hell mode i discovered god mode.
might have seen in the options but didn't bother turning on, assumed it was cheating.
sounds like a nice option to train though
manic bobcat
god mode is neat
but my inner pride prefers me bashing my head against the same wall over and over
robust scaffold
hmm not sure if god mode helps with training lol
i think copying ur save and using it would be more useful
signal aspen
but my inner pride prefers me bashing my head against the same wall over and ove...
same
calm pelican
what sword aspect is best
robust scaffold
nemesis
signal aspen
yeah probably nemesis
robust scaffold
but arthur is fun
manic bobcat
nemesis is "easier" to use
signal aspen
gun is my favorite sword aspect
stoic flame
ah yes my favourite sword aspect
stoic flame
i agree with the second one but i feel like gilgamesh is a better bow
signal aspen
nah gilgamesh is definitely a gun
signal aspen
no
stoic flame
😔
manic bobcat
git 
gud 
high island
Actually, Gilgamesh is a Twin Fists aspect.
signal aspen
no its not
robust scaffold
breh
stoic flame
smh nyaanyaa i thought u knew about the game
manic bobcat
high island
How about you see me in the courtyard. Let's see who's bad at the game. 
manic bobcat
No keepsakes, Zag sword only, courtyard
stoic flame
level 1 zag sword
signal aspen
ok
can i use gilgamesh?
im more comfortable with it
its probably my favorite aspect
high island
I dunno. Can you? Do you want me to watch a Gilgamesh run of yours and judge? 
high island
Nice try.
signal aspen
bruh
stoic flame
is that really ur channel
stoic flame
0_0
high island
No. That's Retrash's channel lol.
high island
@lilac pumice thoughts on this?
stoic flame
ah
lilac pumice
stoic flame
the plot thiccens
crude surge
Maybe everyone is Retrash
stoic flame
retrash is like the avatar and we are like the avatars that came after him
signal aspen
<@!240258547370164234> thoughts on this?
Oh no
limpid path
does any1 know how submitting speedrun times and stuf works? cuz i think i have one of the fastest speed run times and i think i can do better
i want to submit it
but i dont know the process and what is required
brisk trail
Do you have full video?
brisk trail
I think speedrun.com requires a full video.
limpid path
but i can do it again
limpid path
I think speedrun.com requires a full video.
hmm, ok thanks
this time i can level my companion properly
brisk trail
Make sure you are resetting your seed between each attempt.
high island
What's your time?
high island
Ah, that's nowhere near fastest, m afraid.
signal aspen
In game time?
limpid path
oh
high island
That's IGT or RTA?
limpid path
just for one run
high island
In-game time or real time?
limpid path
in game time
signal aspen
Yeah that's not 5th
limpid path
for reference ive been looking here
but yah
i thought i would have to try harder
oh frick
yah
high island
You're comparing your IGT to RTAs.
high island
And you're not sorting the list by RTA, either.
limpid path
looking at these lists it does give me a look at what to do tho
i might try properly this time
i really enjoy the game and ive finished all of the story too so i think this would be fun
manic bobcat
yeah. the rules set and what not are listed. you can look at the vids themselves to get a better idea of the pacing too
manic bobcat
gl!
limpid path
thx
high island
The first milestone for new speedrunners is usually getting a sub 10 IGT.
But just pushing your PB down will get you there, eventually.
That's a good video for getting started with speedrunning the game.
limpid path
thanks for the help
i plan on trying to get my name at least top 10
and ive got a summer ahead of me
thanks everyone for your help
high island
If you check the pins in #self-promotion, the Hades Speedrunning discord server is linked there.
manic bobcat
and unseeded could be a bit of a grind haha
not to deter you, but it takes effort
which i don't have
high island
I can tell you right now, the top speedrunners play the game like 6+ hours a day and have literally thousands of hours in the game. So, good luck with that.
limpid path
so i think it would be a fun goal to work towards
limpid path
I can tell you right now, the top speedrunners play the game like 6+ hours a day...
yikes, uh idk really but im gonna try non the less
manic bobcat
well the thing is, you can stand on the shoulder of giants
high island
But as Bruce Lee said, "A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at." 
limpid path
exactly
limpid path
true
manic bobcat
(not to say there is nothing left to find)
manic bobcat
but yeah
high island
New speedrunners nowadays are definitely getting fast a lot sooner than a year ago.
Same for high heat.
limpid path
be the hungrybox to jigglypuff
i'll try lol
manic bobcat
speaking of, Nyaanyaa would you try running hades on a hitbox?
this convo popped up a while ago and now im curious
limpid path
New speedrunners nowadays are definitely getting fast a lot sooner than a year a...
i guess thats hope for someone like me, i really know next to nothing about speed runnin i just wanted to try it for the challenge and for a goal
high island
Maybe for fun, but I don't really see the point of it lol. Arcade buttons hurt my fingers, anyway.
manic bobcat
i see
tropic vapor
i.. i didnt know hades had a phase 2
manic bobcat
xD
tropic vapor
sad again
limpid path
lol yah it was a surprise for me too when i saw it
tropic vapor
got all the to him with 2 death defiances and thought i could beat him
guess i was wrong
manic bobcat
we had first breakfast, how about second breakfast
cerulean ferry
Now you know what to expect
signal aspen
Wait until they find out that he has 3 more phases after that
manic bobcat
and you still have to fight cerberus in the end
limpid path
||cant wait till they finds out about the 3rd phase with the pact of punishment|| a miner spoiler
manic bobcat
yeah but when you click EM, you should at least expect some shenanigans.
limpid path
true
honestly the other bosses werent too much for me
its just hades always gets the better of me
tropic vapor
to be fair i didnt really expect the final boss to be hades and be easier than the thesus and the minotaur
manic bobcat
did you expect cerby?
tropic vapor
yeah :(
limpid path
i mean i thought that the fight with him was inevitable
tropic vapor
dont wanna kill cerby :(
manic bobcat
i would bop him
tropic vapor
he's cool
tropic vapor
i would bop him
why would you want to bop cerby he's a good boy
he even lets you pass as long as you give him a treat
manic bobcat
okay i wont bop him
tropic vapor
good.
unborn remnant
Cerberus good
manic bobcat
man the pokemons are here again
tropic vapor
lmao
signal aspen
Nice
tropic vapor
trying to decide which weapon i should get better with first bow(chiron) or fists(talos)
manic bobcat
i like fists when i get the rhythm down
modern garnet
whichever you have dark thirst on
tropic vapor
i think both are really fun so im unsure
i mean if my run to hades phase 2 means anything i guess it means im getting better at fighting thesus
i ended the fight with 1 hp btw
manic bobcat
do you know how to avoid the attacks in that phase?
tropic vapor
no clue
high island
Chiron will get you easier results.
tropic vapor
he literally turns into the sun
tropic vapor
my temporary solution during the fight was to use ares aid and go behind a pillar
crude surge
hug strats are suprisingly good
modern garnet
His animation for charging up the beam is obvious once you learn it, that'll give you a lot more time to decide what to do
crude surge
just dont use moves that push you back or your going to eat it
tropic vapor
ok
just didnt know cause that was my first time fighting him in phase 2 but il keep an eye out for it next time
high island
Good luck!
limpid quartz
just dont use moves that push you back or your going to eat it
Also make sure to not dash (even though dash strikes are broken)
distant tangle
do you guys know how to unlock the fourth aspect of the bow?
i played too much chiron and i need something new
signal aspen
pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion
chrome wharf
I've never used chiron once across my 2 files lol
narrow hemlock
wild, chiron was one of the aspects that made me love bow
i wasnt vibing with zag aspect, unlocking chiron and hera made it more fun to me tho
sick ridge
Do nyx, orpheus and Eurydice all need to be at 5 hearts to continue the quest line?
limpid quartz
I like Chiron Bow because you can deal a lot of damage with the special
sick ridge
Or to do the administrative chamber stuff
signal aspen
Do nyx, orpheus and Eurydice all need to be at 5 hearts to continue the quest li...
yeah i think so
i know that nyx has to be at 5 hearts
but idk about orpheus and eurydice
limpid quartz
Do nyx, orpheus and Eurydice all need to be at 5 hearts to continue the quest li...
I wanna say no? I think Nyx has to be at 6 hearts
Orpheus and Eurydice were at the highest I could go (there was the lock) when I finished the quest line with Orpheus
sick ridge
Really 6? Im finding it really hard to find the real info online
signal aspen
wiki says 5 hearts
limpid quartz
I heard it should be at 6, and I was able to get the dialogue to happen at 6 hearts
sick ridge
I’m at 5, I had a dialogue with her about the administrative chamber and that I can be made to know where to look or something? Do I still need to invest in her?
Is that the dialogue you mean
limpid quartz
I’m at 5, I had a dialogue with her about the administrative chamber and that I ...
Oh no
Just go into the Administrative Chamber and there should be a sparkling thingie at at the back
And then go to the house contractor
You have to use 3 Diamonds though
sick ridge
There’s no sparkling thing 😦
It was a dialogue about injustice and the admin chamber, maybe I need to talk to her again nvm
signal aspen
yeah just keep talking to her
glass bane
I have 5 titan blood, Where should I spend it on?
void vigil
zag sword for skelly
obtuse lark
I have 5 titan blood, Where should I spend it on?
what's your favorite weapon?
glass bane
Shield and fists
obtuse lark
Shield and fists
if you want to upgrade shield - go chaos aspect,
if you want to upgrade fists - go demeter or zagreus aspect.
manic bobcat
if you want to upgrade shield - go chaos aspect,
if you want to upgrade fists - ...
be careful with chaos aspect though. with 5 blood you probably can't get it to a level where you can enjoy it
serene spire
I like spear the best
manic bobcat
i would recommend just unlock zeus shield
or max zag fist
Remember when Mirage Shot was a tier 2 Artemis boon?
I 'member
manic bobcat
Member when Deadly Shot Poseidon Sword was the default speedrun weapon?
Member when Spreadfire was OP?
Member when Eris was slept on?
Member when Splash Dash was thought to be bad?
signal aspen
No
brisk trail
yes
livid mist
YO GUYS
[Spoilers about the story of Hades, be careful] ||I got to the part where Persephone comes home!!! I'm so happy lol but there's still a lot to do||
limpid quartz
[Spoilers about the story of Hades, be careful] ||I got to the part where Persep...
Nice
crude surge
Member when Eris was slept on?
I can not imagien any world were people dont think Eris is one of the best aspects in the game
manic bobcat
prelaunch the damage was +60% not 75%
(which is still good, but the buff drew more attentions to the wep for sure)
and Poseidon Dash has slightly lower base damage
and Hunter Dash was +70% not +50% on normal
so the meta was Dash Attack mostly which makes Nemesis, Spreadfire Zag Rail "better"
but i mansplained
high island
You could unlock Merciful End with just Curse of Agony + Divine Dash, anyway.
Then add True Shot or Deadly Flourish for Deadly Reversal.
crude surge
even with 60% being able to always have a global buff is huge
I just dont get how people could sleep on that
royal thistle
the difference between why eris is so op and achillies is just pretty good is because achillies is on spear and has limited attacks instead of a certain time
imagine achillies being on shield or bow
damn..
anyways gonna max out luci then try zeus special cause y e s
but pretty sure luci is the aspect with the least amount of hammers available since how all attack hammers don't work
high island
Okay then.
hoary schooner
any tips on how to beat minotaur and theseus
signal aspen
kill the bull first, learn attack patterns, use the pillars to avoid taking damage, make sure bull is dead before you get theseus to his second phase, when you see a pink crosshair on you that means that theseus is gonna throw his spear at you, after he throws his spear he will turn around which means you can attack him, when he is in his second phase you should spend more time dodging the things he summons
manic bobcat
imagine achillies being on shield or bow
Still not global damage so no.
royal thistle
Still not global damage so no.
I mean maybe bow
royal thistle
global damage built diff
manic bobcat
And Rama is S tier for high heat
royal thistle
isn't chain shot theoretically like made for rama..
👀
with shared suffering
theoretically yes practically..
manic bobcat
Chain Shot came before Rama so probably no?
royal thistle
that's not what I mean by that
high island
Chain Shot is okay on Rama. It's a settle pick, but it's not what you want.
royal thistle
the convo wasn't really about it's viability just how the two were kinda made for each other but practically it doesn't work..
high island
Okay then.
royal thistle
imagine if chain shot's bonus was like +125%
keen lichen
if i have serrated point (spear dash strike hits 3 times), does ares' chaos on attack-hit get applied 3 times each "attack"?
high island
No. Doom doesn't stack like that.
royal thistle
serrated built diff
keen lichen
aspect of hades, roiling lunge and hunter dash. is it strong as it looks?
roiling lunge +87%, hunter dash +72%
serrated point, on hades aspect spear
high island
Stacking Dash-Strike bonus damage on Serrated Point is great, yeah.
crude surge
the difference between why eris is so op and achillies is just pretty good is be...
The difference is eris is global. Achilles is only attack and cast.
royal thistle
ares upsides: you have pretty decent support boons
ares downsides: you have ares in your boom pool
keen lichen
btw, if i hold to spin, is it an "attack" or a "special"?
royal thistle
the limited attacks are also there 👀 to limit it by even more
high island
The spin is an Attack, but it doesn't get the bonus damage from Hades Aspect.
royal thistle
imagine having +150% dmg for 6 seconds on attack
crude surge
Spear doesn’t have limited attacks
royal thistle
4 attacks.
crude surge
Almost every aspect has 4 attacks lol
royal thistle
...
crude surge
What did you mean then
royal thistle
achillies's boost lasts 4 attacks
high island
1. Be kind.
crude surge
Oh me dumb lol
crude surge
If it lasted for time instead of attacks it would still probably be rushing around a lot though
crude surge
Yeah
royal thistle
it's mostly because I love furry jab and I wish it actually worked with achillies
high island
...
crude surge
Speed runners will just reset if they don’t get it hammer one I’m pretty sure
royal thistle
pretty sure serrated is better but ok
signal aspen
Nah flurry is way better than serrated
high island
Flurry Jab Achilles is literally one of the best builds in the game.
crude surge
Serrated is good if you have extra dashes
royal thistle
😔 I don't like mashing special like a overgrown baboon
crude surge
But flurry is of greater priority
Watching high level Achilles play is so cool
They just go crazy
keen lichen
ok how should i deal with shield guys (elysium) with a spear?
i try to circle but they seem to be pretty good at keeping the shield towards me
royal thistle
sob
high island
Get close to bait out their melee attack, then empty-dash through them when they use it.
Hit their exposed back after that, but watch out for the spin.
royal thistle
or just wait for them to do a spin attack then use dash to get out of the way
and unleash your hatred upon them
or just use zeus dash or call
if you hate them that much
high island
Also, all enemies face West when they spawn, so you can use that to your advantage easily.
To get backstabs as soon as they spawn.
crude surge
Huh I didn’t know about the west thing
high island
Wait no, East lol. It's too hot here right now.
royal thistle
yup
wait.. I can listen to pilot wings smash ost while playing skydiving brain
but anyways
hades
high island
I don't really see what Lord Zeus's boons have anything to do with the mechanics of fighting them.
Thunder Dash is awful, anyway.
crude surge
Because they come from above maybe?
royal thistle
I don't really see what Lord Zeus's boons have anything to do with the mechanics...
ignores shields
crude surge
So they don’t hit shield?
high island
Thunder Dash from above doing no damage.
royal thistle
the only zeus thing i'd want in a non zeus build is the call
I mean I only say that because I am haunted by splitting bolt
so I always get splitting bolt
if there is a chance I'll get it 😔
unless I specifically avoid zeus
sick ridge
Finally beat the game
keen lichen
Finally beat the game
grats man!
sick ridge
Thanks, god this game is so good it should be illegal
Time to grind for blood and max out all the weapons
sick ridge
I did win with aspect of Chiron but my build was so bad, I had to do 90% of my damage with Demeter cast
dark vector
Just shield block in a corner for 2 hours.
- sounds of numbskulls slamming into the shield *
prisma rivet
That's some ASMR I can get behind LOL
chrome wharf
Hades ASMR is standing in front of the shade court and listen to them being denied
manic bobcat
* sounds of numbskulls slamming into the shield *
Ding Slash Vrroom Zzzh Zzzh Erhhhh Ding Slash Zzzh Zzzh
chrome wharf
Don't forget electric guitar noises in the background
crude surge
I love playing survival rooms with sheild
prisma rivet
I got Chaos, but kind of regretted it. I'd pick Zag or save up for Zeus
sudden jay
ok i go zaggy
royal thistle
Chaos is weird
I don't like it
But like bow is pog
Everything is pog except zag spear
crude surge
Zag sword bad too
royal thistle
I mean it's 15% Attack Speed which is like an uncommon attack speed boost plus 15% passive movement
Boosts 2 stats
It's not that it's bad it's just sword is good outside of Arthur no Matter how much we try to convince ourselves
But zag spear is legitimately bad
But yeah you'd prob never choose zag
Cause others are specialized or Arthur which Is fun
quartz hearth
Wow, Tisiphone sure is.............something. 🤔
unborn remnant
Chaos is so much better than Zag
1000%
Throw doom special on that thing and start blasting
manic bobcat
I mean it's 15% Attack Speed which is like an uncommon attack speed boost plus 1...
except to maximize damage you don't really use normal attack but the Special Dash Strike x2 combo so the 15% AS doesn't matter. and the movement is... just okish?
royal thistle
except to maximize damage you don't really use normal attack but the Special Das...
Yup but it's not crap
It's just ok..
It's just sword is haha broken
manic bobcat
well how is that better than Zag spear whose bonus actually does something?
high island
Chaos is so much better than Zag
Chaos Aspect DPS is bad.
royal thistle
I mean spear special is horrible
manic bobcat
i would classify it as situational because explosive launcher is decent
high island
It's not that it's bad it's just sword is good outside of Arthur no Matter how m...
Who is "we" here lol.
manic bobcat
do you know what the damage is for zag sword?
manic bobcat
well 2 not good boosts is not better than 1 situational boost
zag sword optimally wouldn't use Attack Speed at all
so that's really just 1 boost
high island
There's nothing you can get on Zag Sword that's better than Zag Spear Flurry Jab.
royal thistle
😔 whatever zag spear can do gaun yu can do better
high island
I don't see Guan Yu doing any Flurry Jab builds.
royal thistle
Mmm double edge
high island
optimally
Matters on the build
Wut.
keen lichen
does giving up reset thirsting weapon?
runic temple
Apparently (boss)||Theseus || can get stuck when using (thing) ||Bouldy||
If you hit them just right, they can't figure a way out
signal aspen
does giving up reset thirsting weapon?
No
wet dawn
Got my first 20 heat run
crude surge
nice
wet dawn
zeus shield with poison is rather busted imo
inner lava
Huh, you know, I actually wonder.
Do enemies drop money when you kill them?
Sometimes it feels like they do and sometimes not.
void vigil
they do sometimes
manic bobcat
Just a chance a think
inner lava
K
royal thistle
money cool
calm pollen
Does the bonus attack earned from than's keepsake stay if you unequip it?
narrow hemlock
it does not
same applies to hermes plume
they are both keepsakes you need to commit to, their buffs are lost if you remove them
calm pollen
thanks for answering 
wet dawn
those trinkets seem pretty mediocre then
robust scaffold
they r
royal thistle
uhh
that is kinda untrue
they aren't mediocre but they are decent
not good or bad doe
modern garnet
zag fist with plume... the ultimate "dont get hit lmao"
royal thistle
plume is cool and all and not that hard to trigger but I'm l a z y
so haha god keepsake go brr
or chiron coin purse
crude surge
yeah no godsake is the largest thing that makes me feel eh about plume
kinda wana run it now though
royal thistle
I love consistency
except at the same time..
I love randomness even more
thus I am a ap2 addict
crude surge
"I love consistency"
-person that uses AP2 for fun
modern garnet
if you spend all your room rerolls in tartarus you can almost have the same outcome as a god keepsake
crude surge
but then you have to use authority
modern garnet
especially if you reroll a miniboss room
royal thistle
anyways world splitter buff jk unless 😳
make it do 120 damage cause then people might actually use it
robust scaffold
taking room rerolls is bad :(
crude surge
^
royal thistle
I mean room rerolls are cool and all
but chaos exists
so like..
I kinda need my rerolls
robust scaffold
make it do 120 damage cause then people might actually use it
is world splitter that bad
royal thistle
people just hate it
robust scaffold
lol i liked it, cool animation
chrome wharf
"I love consistency"
-person that uses AP2 for fun
isn't that the entire point of AP2
taunt fate for funsies
royal thistle
👀
that's kinda true
until the fates give me splitting bolt
even in ap2 I can't escape it
chrome wharf
high heat runners: how high can we go and still escape AP2
me: how high can I go with AP2 hmmmm
royal thistle
^
I dislike planning a run before hand
that kinda ruins the point of the rng
so I always use chiron coin purse
chrome wharf
if only underworld customs with AP2 locks the boon you need to purge
chrome wharf
Mmmm
royal thistle
when you have ap2 and get a pom room but you only have 1 pommable boon 😏
chrome wharf
stonks
chrome wharf
Mmmmm
crude surge
if only underworld customs with AP2 locks the boon you need to purge
no
no
please no
robust scaffold
if only underworld customs with AP2 locks the boon you need to purge
how would that even work
so u need 3 boons minimum?
chrome wharf
boon replacements with AP2 is like if the god snatches the boon from your hand and shoves their replacement in and leaves while zag is like "hey wait what the-"
chrome wharf
how would that even work
at the purging pool you get only 1 option
royal thistle
make ap3 where you can't even choose rooms
and restricts selling
and restricts 2/3 of the keepsakes you can use
(excluding the starting one)
robust scaffold
at the purging pool you get only 1 option
oh AP2 that applies to the purging well thing then
royal thistle
make it give like 5+ heat or something
royal thistle
anyways I'd be fun to see a heat option that restricts selling or keepsakes
chrome wharf
oh AP2 that applies to the purging well thing then
yeah
royal thistle
ap 3 that makes it so you only have 3 keepsake choices or keep the one you are running with
so basically it's a massive frick u
make your choice: meg keepsake distant memory or ares
royal thistle
How can you tell what room has the bag for ||cerberus||?
you don't
crude surge
you cant
hushed field
oh its pure rng?
crude surge
yes
chrome wharf
it's never the first one that you try
royal thistle
except for the fact you can't get first
hushed field
got it ty
royal thistle
no matter what
crude surge
Its 52% seccond tunnel i think
chrome wharf
is it rolled the instant you choose a room? or say, when you get back from the first
nah should be higher than 30
narrow hemlock
its weighted towards second tunnel
royal thistle
just from experience it's always third most often I dunno why
hushed field
Its 52% seccond tunnel i think
what are the odds for the last room to have the bag? 
royal thistle
what are the odds for the last room to have the bag? <a:thinkbreak:6272591777938...
yes
crude surge
idk
hushed field
Like in one run I opened every single room and the last one had the bag
crude surge
rip
hushed field
narrow hemlock
most of the time you should be 2 or 3sacking, 4 and 5sacks can happen whenever they feel like it but they dont come up as often, generally
royal thistle
yeah 2-3 is most common
chrome wharf
the real question is what's the % chance that a shade gets their request granted at the court
narrow hemlock
in my experience my 5sacks tend to be the absolute worst times i really didnt need it :)
royal thistle
the real question is what's the % chance that a shade gets their request granted...
good question
royal thistle
in my experience my 5sacks tend to be the absolute worst times i really didnt ne...
😔 me getting a 2 sac while running mom keepsake and strong drink..
chrome wharf
I want to say 10% from the times I put it on the background while doing my own paperwork
royal thistle
I'd say 7.5%
hades is kinda mean
I'd say it's a bit lower then 1/10
but not by too much
maybe 1/12?
chrome wharf
when I inevitably have to take a 24h flight to visit my parents I will do a deep study
ie put it on for the entire flight and tally
royal thistle
w h y
chrome wharf
what else can one do when made to sit at one place for 24 hours
chrome wharf
sleep tru tho
chrome wharf
play in-flight games
royal thistle
super flight is a super good time waster and is only less then $1 on steam 😉
anyways
hades talk
coolest looking keepsake
chrome wharf
hourglass
royal thistle
or fav looking
I'd say coolest is black shawl or distant memory
but my fav looking is 100% Poseidon
sea conch 😏
nice and blue
manic bobcat
play in-flight games
Play Myth: Gods of Asgard of course
chrome wharf
ADSJFLKDSJFKLDS
royal thistle
e
shh the only active mod is offline
oh nvm
dude never sleeps
😔 every time I open up hades I see my friends playing monster hunter
chrome wharf
I just see my one active friend playing splatoon